WEBVTT - Burned w/ Tiffany Evans

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies these episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Done done, Hello, that's messed up. I'm Lisa Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am Kara Klink And this is the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>where we take you through an episode of Law and

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<v Speaker 1>Order SVU, discuss the true crime that it's based on,

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<v Speaker 1>and then give you a hard hitting interview with one

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<v Speaker 1>of the actors from the show. But first we chit chat.

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<v Speaker 1>But first we talk. It's almost twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>We are almost dragging ourselves on our forearms out of

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<v Speaker 2>this horrible year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this has been a good year for me

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways. And that we started this podcast, that's

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<v Speaker 1>been a really fun a plus to twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Without this podcast, I don't know what else I

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<v Speaker 2>would have. Yeah, really, I no. I mean, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like my hair is getting long and that's pretty exciting. So,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm really grasping it. Positives for twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting very good at bat gammon. That's been a

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<v Speaker 2>number one activity. I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>They should make a Queen's gambit. That's like Lisa with backgammon.

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<v Speaker 1>I would loving international tournaments.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did I tell you my father wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>be a chess girl when I was growing up, and

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<v Speaker 2>we would go to the library and rent chess books

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<v Speaker 2>and he would force me to play. Of course. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that just like Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like how I don't know, It's like how people

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<v Speaker 1>in the US want their kids to like read before

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<v Speaker 1>other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in Russia it's like you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>good at chess. Yeah, my sister and I were just

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<v Speaker 2>reminiscing in her backyard with the fire and how my

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<v Speaker 2>dad would he he worked at the pool, so he

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<v Speaker 2>would force me to sit at the pool, but I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't go in the water, and I had to read

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<v Speaker 2>and write out of an encyclopedia until he thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was and then I would I would be able to

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<v Speaker 2>go swim. I mean, I feel like I turned out

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<v Speaker 2>pretty fucking good for everything that's happened to me. Considering

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<v Speaker 2>my big story this year, as my dad was going

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<v Speaker 2>into heart surgery and I did say I love you

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<v Speaker 2>and he did not say it back. And my friend

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you need to tell people that when you

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<v Speaker 2>meet them, so then they understand you as a human

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. I've never heard I love you

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<v Speaker 2>from your father. Oh my my.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not grow up in a big I love

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<v Speaker 1>you household either. We really started saying it later in life,

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<v Speaker 1>where I was like, why don't we say it? My

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<v Speaker 1>mom was like, I don't know. I always grew up

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that people say it too much. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that because she's Hungarian, right, No, that's my dad side.

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<v Speaker 2>Because my mom says that too about my sister's family.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, Ugh, they just say it all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like it disgusts her.

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<v Speaker 1>That because it starts to lose meaning if you say

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<v Speaker 1>it like all the time, like bye, love you, bye,

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, love you, love you like all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to lose me. I'm like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I say it to my kid. I scream it in

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<v Speaker 1>her face constantly. I'm like, you know, I love you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. She's so lovable. I hope she has a

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<v Speaker 1>great twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope so too. She's just gonna have her second

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic birthday pretty soon. It's gonna be great. But New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's for US is like Christmas in the Russian for

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians, we give presents, we get a new Year's tree,

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<v Speaker 2>we celebrate the old year. We eat meat jello, we

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you need to stop and back it

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<v Speaker 1>up and let's talk about meat jello.

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<v Speaker 2>My every New Year, our fridge is just filled with

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<v Speaker 2>like bowls of clear It's exactly like I wish it

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<v Speaker 2>was a sitting you know. It's it's just ground beef

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<v Speaker 2>in jello. It's like chunks of chicken with pepper in

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<v Speaker 2>a sea through jelly, hard form in a bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so not sweet jello, No, no, no, no, a savory jello.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a savory you know, it's a savory jello. You're okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a savory jello.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it? Did you ever eat the jellos that were

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<v Speaker 2>pink and red at the store, in those the combo flavors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah them.

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<v Speaker 1>So my parents wouldn't really buy as cello, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I found a way to get those somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>We would make it from the powders. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, See, my mom's not a big maker like we

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<v Speaker 1>did big cupcakes.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't do that kind of stuff. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I grew up. Were your parents good cooks?

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<v Speaker 3>Mmmm?

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<v Speaker 2>My dad is terrible. My mom is like fine. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because our friend Lauren, I didn't know this, but her

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<v Speaker 2>family is notoriously bad at cooking, to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>the grand they would leave their grandma's house and be sick,

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<v Speaker 2>puke and have to go to the hospital. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know this? I did not. That is some

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<v Speaker 2>Irish insanity. She said she made burneise sauce, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was just microwaved mayonnaise, and then she served it and

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<v Speaker 2>the children got sick and like, my god, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally had to just put my hand over my

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<v Speaker 2>mouth for a second. Yeah, no, it's bad. It's uh

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<v Speaker 2>my because even though meet Jelly Aside and meet Jello Aside,

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<v Speaker 2>I own you Min's cooking. I really love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me more about this Russian New Year. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I learned so much about Russia from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Will we do presents, and our family alone liked to

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<v Speaker 2>do a theme, and so we would wear we all

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<v Speaker 2>wore ties one year. Well, that's definitely stayed with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa loves a theme. I do I do. One year,

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<v Speaker 2>we all dressed like movie stars and I did a

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<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth Paltrow at the Oscars look. I dressed like Madonna

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<v Speaker 2>one year. Maybe we did musicians. Yeah, and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone gets hammered, except for me because I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was weird growing up because for everyone New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's is like, you know, we're doing clubbing and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be with my family dressed as Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you normally do you raise New Years? I

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<v Speaker 2>usually just rage. I mean I have literally I threw

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in high school, I threw parties when

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<v Speaker 2>my parents were out of town. When I was in college,

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<v Speaker 2>I would meet up with my college friends and just

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<v Speaker 2>get blacked. They left you alone over New Year's all

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<v Speaker 2>those kids.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they took my brothers them to Ireland and left

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<v Speaker 1>me home with my brother and my sister. But they

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<v Speaker 1>were staying at different places, and so I was staying

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<v Speaker 1>with my mom's best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was a sophomore.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends could drive, so they just picked me up

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<v Speaker 1>and brought me back to my house.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even have locks on my house. Please don't

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<v Speaker 2>google where my parents live. There's nothing worth stealing.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, my house is never locked, so It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I just let myself in and just had a party.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to share with everyone my favorite Papa

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<v Speaker 2>Clank story, which is he refuses to pay for a

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<v Speaker 2>garbage disposal, so he takes his garbage to the dump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, how much is he saving money? You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, his car? You can tell it from his

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<v Speaker 2>car and you can smell. It's probably saving twelve dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but it's just one facet of

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<v Speaker 1>his insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do we do? We were talking like do

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<v Speaker 2>we even talk about resolutions? Hopefully, no one has a

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<v Speaker 2>resolution except to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I've said before, I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>can only go up from here. And I'm I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>entering twenty twenty one with positivity and hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope soul cycle opens up soon.

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<v Speaker 1>On that name of positivity, I do have to let

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<v Speaker 1>you know that today's episode is called Burned, is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty graphic episode. I know we say this a lot

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, most of what we talk about relating

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<v Speaker 1>to SVU is traumatic and upsetting, but this episode, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to give everyone a heads up. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a season eight, episode eleven. Why don't we just get going.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Burned. Let's get into Burned. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a horrific episode based on a horrific crime.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode has haunted me since it's come out, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I think about it regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember it being one of those and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those episodes too, where it kind of ends

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, you don't really know what happened like that,

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<v Speaker 1>Well you do, but let me, let me get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is essentially a very like a custody battle episode,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, She said episode. Blair Underwood plays Miles, the

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<v Speaker 1>very hot Blair Underwood that we all know from Text

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<v Speaker 1>and the City doctor Robert Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Well because I obviously loved him in that show

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<v Speaker 2>and he's so hot. But he said I love you

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<v Speaker 2>in a cookie cake and everyone's like that's sweet, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's bad because I had an X onece

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<v Speaker 2>right down I love you, and we never said it

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<v Speaker 2>to each other, which puts the pressure on me and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get to do anything. Yeah, you just write

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<v Speaker 2>it and then I have to respond fuck you. So

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<v Speaker 2>I purposely didn't say it because I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>pretend to say somebody texting you, I love you, for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time instead of saying it. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like whatever, Let's get Back.

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<v Speaker 1>The City podcast, which is a bit available on our Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>No okay, So Blair Underwood plays Miles. His ex wife

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<v Speaker 1>is a woman named Valerie, who is played by the

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful Michael Michelle. Like just a stunningly gorgeous woman. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a daughter named Tessa. So at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the show opens with Tessa is whether her

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<v Speaker 1>dad on a court appointed or a court supervised visit?

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me? And you can tell they have a close relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>but like yeah, he's like, are you working out so

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<v Speaker 2>you can get boyfriends? And it's like that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>thing to say. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there at this visit, the court appointed supervisor cuts

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<v Speaker 1>the visit short, and as she's leaving, the daughter says

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<v Speaker 1>to the dad, like, what's a Dallas headhunter? So it's

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<v Speaker 1>very clear that which is like girls, shut up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's basically relaying information because these parents do not talk.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a very contentious divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>I was also wondering why did the court appointed woman

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<v Speaker 2>make the visit shorter, Like this is very missus doubt fire,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not a mom doing it, like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to go here, there's a dinner. Why is this

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<v Speaker 2>woman doing that? Well, they get into that later.

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<v Speaker 1>What that They say, it's an abuse of her power,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's really she's taking it upon herself to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Tessa's struggling in school, so I'm going to just take

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<v Speaker 1>her out of her visit early, which is not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so the Dallas headhunter thing is like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the last thing we hear. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a tip off. And then back at the Valerie's apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to get this going, it's just so funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>who talks about Dallas. I don't know, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>want to. I want to be in the writer's room

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<v Speaker 2>when they're like what do we say?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like something has to tip him off that they

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<v Speaker 1>might be leaving town. Yeah, So we get to Valerie's

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<v Speaker 1>apartment where she's showering and she is pulled out of

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<v Speaker 1>the showers psycho style, like very scary. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing we see is Benson and Sabler interviewing her

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<v Speaker 1>about her rape. She says that it was her soon

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<v Speaker 1>to be ex husband, Miles, So they're in the process

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<v Speaker 1>of a divorce I suppose I didn't. I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>they were already divorce, but they're in the process. So

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<v Speaker 1>she has a protection order against Miles and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>the visits are supervised, and so they're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how even how he even got into the apartment

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<v Speaker 1>because he's not supposed to know where they live and

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<v Speaker 1>he's and there was no forced entry, so he obviously

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<v Speaker 1>had a key somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>So and she also said he's addicted to drugs and alcomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's had previous issues with drugs and alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he's supposed to be sober now. And she tells

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<v Speaker 1>him about how she had an order of protection against

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<v Speaker 1>him and it was said to expire, but an extension

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<v Speaker 1>was not granted. So then we go they go and

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<v Speaker 1>they talk to this judge who's the one that did

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<v Speaker 1>not grant the extension on the order of protection. He

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<v Speaker 1>immediately uses the word feminazis, so I immediately hate him, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what a stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Boomer word to use to talk about feminists. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the judge that looks like the old schlubby man

0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.280
<v Speaker 2>that would be at Shull, you know, it's Hassover, and

0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.840
<v Speaker 2>he is just just like gross his shirt's disheveled. He's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eating some apples and honey in the corner, right,

0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.240
<v Speaker 2>that's his vibe. And he is like, she's watched too

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<v Speaker 2>many women in Jeopardy movies and it's like, oh, do

0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you mean life, Like women are constantly in Jeopardy, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand you working in the courts and see this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then he introduces the idea of silver bullet strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something I've never heard of, which is apparently

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<v Speaker 1>like in divorces, to say that you've been sexually assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>in your divorce proceedings by your husband. And Stabler actually

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<v Speaker 1>says that his wife's lawyer, who he is in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a divorce right now in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow's that's the meat.

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<v Speaker 1>They're weaving in and out of the story with Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife having their divorce looming, and Sabler says

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<v Speaker 1>his wife's lawyer suggested it as a strategy and that

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<v Speaker 1>she turned it down.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I find it hard to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that lawyers are telling women to just like, oh, just

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<v Speaker 2>say you were raped and you'll get custody of your

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<v Speaker 2>kids or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems insane. But the law is crazy. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>So Benson is stabler. This is very This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very contentious episode between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, because since Maloney is going through the divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he has the man's Yeah, he's very much

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<v Speaker 1>on the man's side. Benson's very much on the woman's side.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Munch and Finn go to speak to this

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<v Speaker 1>court appointed supervisor, who you know is a very She

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<v Speaker 1>is very like Missus Doubtfire. She's like, very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the woman in Missus Doutfire. He's like, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the classical list. Yeah, if you're going to tell a

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<v Speaker 1>dad he can't hang out with his children, she's like

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<v Speaker 1>severe looking white woman with a tight butN and she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, he definitely harasses the mother. He stays

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<v Speaker 1>within five he doesn't go within the five hundred feet,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's around that. You see him like whatever, And

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<v Speaker 1>he gets violent at visits. But then this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how the show doesn't make anything black and white here,

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<v Speaker 1>because Finn's like, you shouldn't be cutting those visits short.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not your job to assess his behavior, and like that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, if he's doing something violent to the daughter. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's only getting violent at you because you're cutting

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<v Speaker 1>the visit short and that's why he's getting mad.

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<v Speaker 2>So but I also saw because I saw that side,

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<v Speaker 2>because even in the top of the episode, I was like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck this woman, like why are you ending the visits?

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<v Speaker 2>But then on my notes, I wrote, like she is

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<v Speaker 2>scared of him, Michael. Michelle is scared of him, and

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<v Speaker 2>how is that not enough? And why aren't we taking

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<v Speaker 2>women's fear seriously right? Like she's not why is her

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<v Speaker 2>fear not enough? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And they people look at it as like, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a war for the child and she's just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>win it at all costs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like what the other side was. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I hate with this war thing. When the cops were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get around how can we get around parental consent

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<v Speaker 2>to interview the daughter?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's coming up, I was like, yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where we are. So they they can't talk to

0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Tessa because Valerie won't allow it, so they just go

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<v Speaker 1>to her school to speak to her, and like, which

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<v Speaker 1>is insane. I think that's insane and like illegal, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>They do this all time. There's another episode where the

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<v Speaker 2>daughter told the nurse, the school nurse and malloney and

0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Ben's like, we don't give a fuck, you go anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like ruin the secrecy medical codes, and they just

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:45.120
<v Speaker 2>will break any rules, medical secret codes. They just will

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<v Speaker 2>try to get a kid to talk and ignore all

0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the parents. And a part of me is like, yeah,

0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.160
<v Speaker 2>you're helping, but it's like, what you can't do this?

0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Tessa says, like, there's she did not give

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<v Speaker 1>the dad the key, you know, and she they think

0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.800
<v Speaker 1>she's hiding something, but she he hides the key in

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<v Speaker 1>the backpack or not hid she just puts He says,

0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.080
<v Speaker 1>she keeps her key in the backpack. So now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the key is accessible to him, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>he easily could have made a copy of it at

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<v Speaker 1>some point.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how during a.

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<v Speaker 1>Visit, but he could have Benson as Sabler going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Miles. He admits that he's a recovering alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 1>a drug addict, said that there's no way he raped

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<v Speaker 1>his ex wife. He wouldn't touch her with a like

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<v Speaker 1>a ten foot pole. He agrees to take a polygraph,

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<v Speaker 1>so he seems very convincing in his innocence, like admitting

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<v Speaker 1>to a polygraph, Like he's like, you can do anything

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<v Speaker 1>you want, Like I didn't do this. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>they get to the they do this all the time

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<v Speaker 1>where people are at the precinct and they like run

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<v Speaker 1>into each other. So we see this couple together for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in the episode, and they are flipping

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<v Speaker 1>out on each other screaming. Valerie is there to recant

0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.880
<v Speaker 1>her allegations, so he's technically free to go miles and

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<v Speaker 1>they and then they have this like crazy fight, like

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<v Speaker 1>he calls her a bitch and she's like you're the bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>which I like.

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<v Speaker 2>What's crazy. So you know, when people fall in love

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<v Speaker 2>and get married and decide to have kids and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, there's just so much love and happiness, like

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<v Speaker 2>positivity there and it is so crazy to think of

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<v Speaker 2>things going this sour. And so while you're talking, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like imagining you and your husband, Oh my god, one day,

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<v Speaker 2>can you imgine being in a precinct screaming at each

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<v Speaker 2>other for Rosie's custody? No, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But like then again, it's like you never know where

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<v Speaker 1>things go, like Luckily and London, Yeah, you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And them. In the precinct, Benson says something that

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<v Speaker 2>I find very important. She goes, I know when an

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<v Speaker 2>abuse of man is escalating. Yeah, and we see that

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<v Speaker 2>a full on abuse does not happen out of thin air. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>This is patterns, and it gets bigger and worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 2>So that Benson saying that meant a lot to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, right, But what's very interesting is like, so in

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<v Speaker 1>the next act, we're still seeing Benson and Stable are

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<v Speaker 1>having a ton of tension about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, she recanted fuck yeah, yeah, yeah, And she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know something's going on here. I know this woman

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<v Speaker 1>was raped. Huang interviews Tessa and she gives the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the alcohol and like, you know, him being passed out,

0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.800
<v Speaker 1>him being high, but says that he's never laid a

0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:11.000
<v Speaker 1>hand on Valerie or Tessa. So you know, you you

0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.119
<v Speaker 1>want to believe this kid is telling the truth that

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, he's never laid a finger on us. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>punch walls, he'll do this and that, but he is

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<v Speaker 1>never liked her.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was about to say, like you hopefully as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, you don't, I mean, if they're hopefully hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>there's no abuse, but maybe the parents do it secretly.

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<v Speaker 2>But this reminds me of big little lies where the

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<v Speaker 2>dad thought he was like beating the shit out of

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<v Speaker 2>Nicoleon's secret and his little boys were videotaping it and

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<v Speaker 2>watching it. So kids are smarter than we give him credit,

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<v Speaker 2>course or not. And so it is like, is Tesla

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<v Speaker 2>lying or did she really not see anything? Is she

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.440
<v Speaker 2>living in a bubble you know right right? Or yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he abusing her? Yes, exactly on the side or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>And she loves her dad, so even if she did

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<v Speaker 2>he did you know he did do something wrong? Like

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<v Speaker 2>would she maybe lie to make sure her dad is

0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.840
<v Speaker 2>in her life? Yeah, because sometimes I think kids of

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<v Speaker 2>like divorce might blame the mom and be like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>your fucking fault that I can't see my dad.

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:03.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, the dad's terrible. Yeah, for sure, life is rough, Yes, indeed.

0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.080
<v Speaker 1>So basically Valerie is sticking to her guns that he

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<v Speaker 1>did rape her. They find out that Miles bugged the

0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.080
<v Speaker 1>social worker's car and that's how he found out where

0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.679
<v Speaker 1>they live. And then so Benson arrests Miles because I

0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.199
<v Speaker 1>think the bug is like enough proof he Oh, they

0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 1>also found hairs. Sorry, they also found hairs of vipers,

0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 1>so there's like enough evidence that he was in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>so they bring Miles in. He fully admits to being

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 1>in the house, like bugging the car, the whole thing.

0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.200
<v Speaker 1>He said he went and yanked Valerie out of the

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<v Speaker 1>tub and just shook.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and left.

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<v Speaker 1>He says it's because he heard the Dallas headhunter comment

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<v Speaker 1>and was like, you're not allowed. You cannot move to

0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Texas with my daughter. So that's what prompted him to

0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.479
<v Speaker 1>go pull a naked woman out of the shower and

0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.680
<v Speaker 1>shake her. I mean, this is also very not okay behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like you should have been charged for that.

0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And he says Valerie treats Tessa like a hostage in

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 1>there in their relationship, and Huang kind of backs him

0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.080
<v Speaker 1>up and says that there is no pattern of abuse.

0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>He believes Tessa he is this, you know, psychological.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think Michael Michelle recantd because she.

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<v Speaker 1>Was saying I just wanted to go away. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want this to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Stabler get into a very intense fight and

0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>then Benson says like he says stuff to her like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the longest relationship you've ever had and with a man,

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't really know how marriages work. And then

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.480
<v Speaker 1>she's like, she says that Stabler has a dying marriage

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and a history of violence, so she kind of like

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.760
<v Speaker 1>throws it right back at him, which is true. True,

0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.760
<v Speaker 1>he does and his marriage is in shamble an Benson

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.040
<v Speaker 1>could get it if she wanted.

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if she wanted to get married and have kids.

0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 2>She goes like one of the top most beautiful women

0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.880
<v Speaker 2>on this planet and like tough and cool. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed. Yeah.

0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So Benson meets up with Kathy Stabler's wife, and basically

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.560
<v Speaker 1>she wants him to She wants Olivia to convince Elliott

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to sign the paper so that they don't have to

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.160
<v Speaker 1>do a contested divorce, which is a lot more difficult.

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 1>We basically get this little snippet where a neighbor of

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Valeries saw her with a man named Phil from her attorneys.

0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And fuck this neighbor, what are you telling your friend's

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<v Speaker 2>business for? What the Yeah, it's weird.

0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, we're friends, we just gossip did see

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:16.679
<v Speaker 1>her with a guy named Phil. Once It's like the

0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.200
<v Speaker 1>classic neighbor testimony, Oh your friend.

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>The cops are asking me question, what do you that

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.520
<v Speaker 2>is anti girl coat? You do not tell the cops

0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.040
<v Speaker 2>who your friend is fucking? That is insane. Right.

0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:32.520
<v Speaker 1>So, now we are at Miles's bail hearing and Casey

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Novak asks for like two hundred k bail or something,

0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and Judge Petrovsky, iconic judge of the franchise, Judge Petrovski

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.200
<v Speaker 1>clearly like, does it like to see women beaters get off?

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 1>She's like, no, let's make it five hundred k, which

0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody is kind of shocked by, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>more how the episode is trying to get you to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, is everything fair here?

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<v Speaker 2>Is? Like what? Like? I think they're really the whole

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.879
<v Speaker 2>time trying to get you to question who is in

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the wrong here because now he's got this massive bail

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.560
<v Speaker 2>which we can talk forever, but because bail is problematic

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<v Speaker 2>against I thought it was because the order of protection

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 2>was expiring two that she made it so high. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was like another judge's called and like she didn't,

0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, like even Novak says, that's excessive, your honor,

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Like even she thinks it's too high. I mean, at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, two hundred grand and five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred grand I they're both insane.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but well they're not though, because like your bail

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 1>is only ten percent of that, So it's like whether

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you can raise twenty k or whether you can raise

0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 1>fifty k. I mean it's you know, twenty k. You

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 1>can like sometimes put your house up. This like his

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>parents had to put their retirement home up or something

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It just is more bail is like more punitive. So

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like she is passing a judgment on him already

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and he has not been convicted of anything, got it.

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's what the show is trying to

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.359
<v Speaker 1>get you to question, like who's in the wrong who's

0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 1>in the right here? Because that seems unfair to him

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So then this is where the episode

0:21:58.760 --> 0:21:59.160
<v Speaker 1>takes a.

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Really really grew some turn. Oh you know what I

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.880
<v Speaker 2>wrote here? I go Michael Michelle and what's his name?

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.919
<v Speaker 2>Blairon would stare at each other. They're both hot and angry,

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 2>like Lisa, Renna and Denise Richards. So any Housewives fanatic,

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're energy, yeah, if you're a crossover fan, like

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 2>when Renna goes ooh, you're so angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we find out that Valerie has been attacked

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 1>in the street. We get to the hospital, she's in

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the burn unit. She's been set on fire. She's been

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.199
<v Speaker 1>doused in gasoline and set on fire, which is really terrible.

0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 1>This is very graphic, like this scene in the burn unit, like.

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.880
<v Speaker 2>You're seeing just like burnt, bloody flesh. It's very awful.

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 2>And her face is like she's lame.

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>They have her lying on her stomach, and like, what's

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.160
<v Speaker 1>crazy is that the detectives are allowed into the operating room,

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>which I don't really think is a.

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Thing, especially now with COVID, Like there's so many things

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 2>we see where it's like even just people hugging or

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 2>kissing on housewives, I'm like, oh, don't do that, or

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, high fiving a stranger, but this was insane.

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 2>We're in a burn unit or without masks, just in

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.880
<v Speaker 2>their gear, not even they're wearing like.

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Those tear away scrubs or whatever that are like very

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>but still it was like you're just letting these cops

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>into this woman who's like bleeding on an operating tape.

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>When the er people and the doctors are like, you

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>can't leave her alone. She can't don't touch her. At

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 2>point they try to touch her. They're like, don't touch her,

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>but the doctors they keep going, is she gonna make it?

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And the doctors are like, doesn't look good. She's conscious,

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>like she's alive, conscious, and you're just talking about how

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>she's gonna die any second. And the thing is, they're

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.400
<v Speaker 2>all the crimes on SPHEW are bad, you know, but

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>something I got to burn you. I don't know what

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>it is, but it is obviously an extra horrific crime

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and injury to heal from it. But they they're just

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>my stomach sink. Yeah, it's really horrible.

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's also something about like it's to me, it's

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>something about destroying like how beautiful she is, Like Michael

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Michelle is like extremely beautiful his wife Valerie in this situation,

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I'm just gonna make it so that

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you're not beautiful anymore.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Like even if he didn't mean to murder her, you know, Anna,

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it also shows like the rage and hatred

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and what Benson said, the escalation. Yeah, because he could

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>have just walked up to hearrd shot her. He could

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>have poisoned her.

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a million ways he could have killed her,

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 1>but like up to set someone on fire is like,

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>we should look into the psychology of what that means,

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's like about destroying like the physical,

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like what.

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>She looks like.

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Valerie says they have to talk to her in this

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>burn unit because she has to make a dying declaration

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 1>if she is going to pass away, and she says,

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Miles the one who set her on fire. So then

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and now Maloney's blaming himself and he should yes, And

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>now Maloney is like, I should have listened to you, Olivia,

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and Olivia is kind of like, you know, how could

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>we have possibly known it was going to escalate this far?

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 1>You knew, yeah, but she was like, I didn't know

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 1>it was going to go from like zero to one

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred or whatever. I guess in this case, like fifty

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred.

0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And my page where I take notes, it won't remember Malone.

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>So his name is Melon in all of my notes.

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.679
<v Speaker 1>So Melon and Stabler are I mean, Melon and Benson

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>are kind of you can tell things are kind of

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>He's a little bit apologizing without saying I'm sorry. Okay.

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So we're in Central Park. Miles is like meeting up

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>with Tessa. The cops are surrounding. Tessa's like, Daddy, don't

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.719
<v Speaker 1>do this, AND's he confesses to his daughter, I killed

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>your mother today, like which is wild, and she's like,

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I won't love you anymore. But then she's like, daddy,

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>don't go and she doesn't want the cops to kill him.

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>So then they get Tessa out of there. The cops

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>carry Tessa off and.

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Miles they're out to Alice in Wonderland statue I loved,

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>okay at Central Park, So you need to know the

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>location it's at, Like if you know a beautiful whimsical

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>statue which something is on accident.

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they will have childlike It's like basically, this is

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>a place where like Alice in Wonderland is like a

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>symbol of childhood and like then this is a place

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>where this girl is like officially losing her childhood because

0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>her dad murdered her mom. And then her dad Miles

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 1>pulls out a knife, like fully, I think prepared to

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 1>do like a suicide by cop thing. I don't think

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna trying to kill any stab anyone. I think

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to like end it, and they shoot him.

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>He's on the ground. Benson unloads her gun and goes,

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>your ribs are gonna hurt. Plastic bullets. I'm like, what

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the fuck those exist? Like, I know there are rubber

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>bullets that they use in like protests and stuff, but

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>if you can like disarm someone with plastic bullets, and like,

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>why are cops not using those like all the fucking time?

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Because they want their goal. That's the thing where people

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>talk about police reform, it's like, oh, we have to

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>know they want to kill black people. That is what

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>is happening, because really there are Because when Benson shoots

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>him in his chest, I immediately was like, what the fuck.

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:43.919
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe they kill him? And I was thinking

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>about the real world and how this happened. And when

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 2>she mentioned the rubber bullets, I was like, I thought,

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>how you thought I go this? They could do this? Yeah,

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>they have the opportunity to do this.

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>They can if someone has a knife, because like you

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 1>don't bring a gun a knife to a gunfight, you

0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like if someone has a knife,

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for if someone has like a like a metal pipe,

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 1>like your gun is obviously going to get them. So

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>use rubber bullets, use plastic bullets and that's not showing.

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>And this is again how we always talk about the

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 2>fantasy of this show is Benson didn't want to kill

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 2>him and did what she needed to do to make

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 2>sure that didn't happen. And so it's the choices that

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>cops make, and they choose not to do that, right,

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's why you're like, why don't they do it?

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to do it. They are losers from

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>high school that can't get their dick's hard. Okay, that's

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 2>what it is, not all Okay, they go to anyways,

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>but that rubber bullet scene is epic.

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's really wild. So they go to visit Valerie,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 1>who is still like not doing great. She's about to

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>go into the oer for like, you know, to be

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>operated on, and they tell her Tessa's, okay, we've got

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Miles in custody.

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 2>She wants to know if he's.

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Been killed, and then she says, in this sort of

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>deathbed confession that he still raped her. Like Olivia asks again,

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>did he rape you? And she says yes. So then

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the scene ends like really traumatically. She's cry You just

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>hear her screams of pain as they leave the burn unit.

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Sabler goes to his house and delivers the divorce papers

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to his wife because he's clearly now seen too much

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 1>violence from like husbands against wives.

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>But it's like like he puts it in the mailbox sneakily. Yeah,

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to talk to her. He's just like,

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>here you win.

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>So after the divorce papers, we see Philip Anderson. So

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>this little phil tidbit did not did not go.

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Phil little and I was like, he looked like a

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>tall man. Little tidbit.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this little tidbit like actually pays off where he

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>comes in. He comes into few basically tells Benson that

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>he's been having like a very casual affair with Valerie,

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.479
<v Speaker 1>so casual that he like barely blinks an eye when

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like she's in the burn unit dying and he's like,

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>we were just banging once in a while.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>She goes, aren't you going to visit?

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it turns out that he had sex with

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>her the day of this rape, this alleged rape, and

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't and used a condom. So she goes to Stabler's

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>house at like like four am. They meet up downstairs

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>or having coffee and she's like, Valerie wasn't raped, and

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why did they come to that conclusion.

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>It's possible she.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Was had sex at five o'clock in the evening and

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>then was raped at ten o'clock at night.

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand because was there condom or not? I

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>remember because there was a condom in both cases. There

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>were no fluids, so that's the same. Maybe there was

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>two sperms, but yeah, no, that would have made more sense.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's really weird to me that they're just like

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>she lied, like on her deathbed, she lied about being raped,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't really track for me, and it doesn't track

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>for Benson and her personality seems weird.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't catch this. I was like, I guess

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>they're showing that hatred and divorce after death whatever, But

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>you're right, yeah, she could.

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>They're just acting like the fact that she had sex

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>with this guy Phil on the same day means that

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't raped by her ex husband, And I'm like,

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That seems weird. But she also died

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes ago, so rip Valerie. That's like the most horrible,

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>horrific death I can think of. And then I remember

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>watching this episode when it was on live, when they

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>were sitting outside and he's delivered the worse papers to

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>his wife Stabler and him and Benz are sitting there,

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and I go, this is it. They're gonna kiss. I

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>remember that we are happy. No, because I mean, I

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.479
<v Speaker 1>just I think it's great that the show never had

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>them get together.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I really do.

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>But I remember so vividly being in my apartment in

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>New York watching this episode and going, oh my god,

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he's divorced now, Like there's no moral there's no moral quandary,

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Like they're going to get together now, like and it's crazy,

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and that obviously doesn't happen.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>No, they just go to the diner. Yeah, but I

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>love the New York coffee cups. I love. Yeah, they

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>always have those little Greek diner coffee cups. They drink coffee,

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and I love their relationship. And I think they had

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to end it in some sort of upbeater positive way

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>because it's so horrific that like sometimes they end on

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>horrific stuff and you're just like left to be like geez,

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>but they really I think they knew they had to

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>give us something good because this was like too intense. Yeah, anyway,

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>let's hear let's take advertisers.

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and cleanse the palate, and

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>then we'll hear about the real.

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Horrific crime is based on. We'll be right back, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously this is a horrific case, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that this is a really horrific case in life.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two good tidbits that I will start with

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<v Speaker 2>up top. One is that she is alive. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the real life victim of this, you vet caide, she

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>is alive.

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>You're saying her name very Russian. What is her fit?

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<v Speaker 1>Most people would say vat Oh okay, but I love

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<v Speaker 1>it because your name is Julia, so you're saying it

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<v Speaker 1>like your own name.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's cool. So Vett is alive, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>really great. And he got life in prison. Okay, perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>So he is in jail right now, so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We just wanted everybody to hear that right up top,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know that this isn't all awful.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I just want to differentiate because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Mitchell dying in the episode was just like really sad,

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>So this is like yeah, I just yeah, she's alive,

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<v Speaker 2>which is huge. So besides Roger Hartgrave, there is another

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<v Speaker 2>villain in this dute episode, So we'll get into that. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This happened in October, and i'll go a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>October two thousand and five, but i'll go back when

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<v Speaker 2>she met him. So, Yvette had a daughter and he

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 2>had a son, and they met and she said their

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>relationship was awesome. He was fine, everything was good. This

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a classic tale where it went bad

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>after the marriage. Okay, So they got married and it

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<v Speaker 2>just drugs, alcohol, and he became just verbally abusive. And

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>her sister said anytime she called Ivett, like you can

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>hear in the background him just screaming at her. She

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<v Speaker 2>said he used to call her a fat beached whale,

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<v Speaker 2>and just it got worse and worse, and she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want her daughter to be a part of this abuse.

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 2>She felt guilty for bringing her daughter into this. Parenthood

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>is hard, well, motherhood, I'm a parent, okay, whatever, but

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I just you know, even in the episode where she

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<v Speaker 2>gets raped at may or attacked and then the next

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 2>she waits till the morning after her kid goes to

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>school to call the cops to shield her away, as

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>like mothers just are always thinking about their kids before themselves.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 2>And this is another case where she's like, I need

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to get my daughter out of here now. She they

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>were going through the divorce. It's very contentious. She does

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>get a protective order. They go back to cor because

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Roger wants to fight the protective order and the judge

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>does not extend it. And this burn attack happened three

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>weeks after the judge refused to extend the protective order

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and he is disgusting. I'm getting chills thinking about this

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking judge, Judge Palumbo, and he is on administrative duty

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and retired, like he did not work on the bench.

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>But he is disgusting. And there's tapes from that hearing

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>where she's like, I you need to do this, like

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I am not safe and he goes and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be six five, that's not my problem. Go to

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 2>divorce court for that, Like so dismissive.

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>They definitely base the judge in the episode on this

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>pace of work, yes.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Because you know it's tough with that show, because you're like,

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>people can't be that bad, and they are, And like,

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I think we learn a lot from SVU that judges

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>take bribes, judges have their personal van data and like

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>they just have their own shit, and you know, they

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>could also be sexist pieces of garbage. But he's a

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>full psychopath. He dismissed her, and he's never apologized because

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't admit he did anything wrong, and he says

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a clerical.

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<v Speaker 1>Error, even though he's like on tape denying the extension.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>He says that it like the denial of extension.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the chief District Court judge disagreed and was like,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>there is no error. He's like fucking lying, And so

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 2>he was temporarily removed from the bench. But then the

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Washington report the Washington Post reported later that he like

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>a Maryland state trooper gave him a ticket and then

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>avoided it because he was a judge, which is illegal.

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>So he was he cannot be on the bench anymore.

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>But the fact to not apologize when something this but

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>this is why the news got such attention. I think

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>just a public burning like that would get attention. But

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>the fact this is just like, well what actually happened,

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>but one hundred percent, but like just that, what is

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 2>it called when you want people not a protective order.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>But all of those, like you know, cops in our

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>judicial system so often wait till something happens and they

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>have they can't do anything beforehand. And so many women

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>end up being murdered by their spouses and exes and

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>lovers whatever because of this and our fucking archaic court system.

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 2>So that's another reason this was such big news. So basically,

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:04.919
<v Speaker 2>a Vett went to work at her T Mobile store.

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>She worked at a T Mobile store. Roger called Yvette

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 2>six hours before the attack and said to her, I

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>want to fry you like Crisco grease, and she didn't

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>take that literal, I bet, because he's been verbally abusive

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>throughout their marriage. So she went to work at T

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Mobile and he came in and in a soda bottle

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 2>he had gasoline and doused her with it. She said

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>she didn't even realize it was gasoline because she was

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>so concerned with not causing a scene at her job,

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 2>so she even then like she was just like didn't

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>want to cause anything. So she's running out the door.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 2>So as she's running out the door, he's chasing her,

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and this is all caught on camera. Everything Because it's

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 2>a store, there's fucking security cameras everywhere there you can

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean I did not. I chose not to watch

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the video. So she's running out of the store. He

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>steps on the back of her shoe to stop her,

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>and she said she felt something on her back and

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>was in full flames, and she ran back into the

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 2>store because she knew there was a sink and so

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 2>she wanted to get to water. So she runs back

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>into the store to get to the sink and she

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>starts putting water on her face, and she says she

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>remembers thinking and feeling, my face is melting. Oh my god.

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>She was burned sixty percent of her body. She barely survived.

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>She barely survived. And all of these injuries have weakened

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>her immune system and she suffers now from PTSD anxiety

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and fear of fire obviously, and trust and how do

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you trust a partner every again. So when this happened,

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>before she was able to go home from the hospital,

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 2>she had seventeen surgeries before returning home, and it was hell.

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>She's lost her ears, so she doesn't have ears anymore,

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>and she had to wear a plastic face shield for

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty three hours a day, and because the burn and

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>scar tissues obviously hardens. She just really tough. She said,

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>brushing teeth and just simple tasks were so painful and

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>so tough. And I saw she was on OPRAH in

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six and it was a rough go.

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I've seen more current video footage of her. What's Wild

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>about evet Is has found a lot of interviews with

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 2>her talking about other cases where this has happened, like

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>this keeps happening. So I would click on a video

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>thinking she'd be talking about herself and her experience, and

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it was her talking about all these other women that

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 2>this has happened to. So two of the videos I

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 2>found were her giving advice and talking about this happening

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and it fucked up. And she says the reason she

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 2>went on OPRAH and was so vocal and wanted to

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 2>speak out so much is because her daughter saw all

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 2>this and she doesn't want and that's all her daughter knows.

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 2>So she didn't want her daughter to think it's okay

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 2>or accidentally fall into a pattern thinking, oh, well, this

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>is all I know and this is what a relationship is.

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 2>So she really wanted to speak out, to be public

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and to make sure that her daughter knew this is

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>not what you put up with. So they went to core.

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>The jury took two days and seven hours of deliberating,

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and he was found guilty of first and second attempted murder,

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 2>first and second degree attempted murder, and first degree assault.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know this of how many attempted murder

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>people go to jail for life, but they did the

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>right thing. This man should not be in the open.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 2>He should not be a free man. If you can

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>burn your ex well as someone you knew intimately like that,

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 2>what can you do to strangers or in the future

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.320
<v Speaker 2>or when you snap? He should not be out in public.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 2>He also, which is so weird, was like I wasn't

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to kill her, I was just trying to burn her,

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Like that is some sort of excuse. And they said

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 2>throughout the whole court proceedings he was expressionless. He did

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>not testify in his account. I think they yeah, they

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 2>had nothing to offer that was in his own defense,

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>you know. And this is a little nice, little fun,

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 2>fun moment, you know, as fun as you can get

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with the case this brutal. But when the guilty verdict

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 2>was read in the court, Robert again made no expression

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>his face, Roger, I told you. And when the bailiffs

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.759
<v Speaker 2>or whatever went to take him away, two of her

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>friends that were in the group with Evet in the

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>courtroom went by in unison, which is amazing, and those

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 2>are the friends that we all deserved. And they said

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that he turned around but looked at them expressionless, which

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>makes me think, you're so sealed. Yeah, if you don't

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 2>even have fear of life and pursue or any remorse

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>or anything and nothing, And I'm glad he's fucking behind

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 2>bars for everything. And there was just it was all

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>on video and so many witnesses at the store and

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 2>the job that there's really like no way to get

0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>out of this. But yeah, she has a lot of

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 2>psychological damage. And she was saying that it's really hard

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>because now like her hands will always look burned, but

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>she looks quote unquote normal. I don't know how to

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>discuss this without being like, I don't know, she actually

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know the proper way to talk about that. She

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 2>looks as normal and not burned as you can, Like, what,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>how do you sure? I don't know what to say,

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 2>but she said that's what's tough is because she looks

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>so normal. She feels she has to explain her psychological

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 2>drama trauma uh huh, and prove it to people all

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the time, and she hates talking about it because she

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>feels like she constantly has to prove that she has problems.

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But of course you're gonna be fucked for life psychological.

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine getting through something like this unscathed at all.

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 2>But this is another good moment. She were they're talking

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>about the scars. She's on Oprah, and she said, I

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>know what it feels like to be pretty, So if

0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>they don't like it, that's too bad, because she's like,

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't care people think about how I look burned now,

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 2>and I just love that confidence beautiful where she's like,

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I know what it is to be hot and I

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 2>have a great person, Like yeah, I don't need that

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>validation from you anymore. And you know, there was a

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>complicated journey, and she talks about like people being like,

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but you're still beautiful, and like believing you're beautiful? And

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>are you still beautiful? And what does beauty? And is

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.240
<v Speaker 2>it inside outside? I mean it's I really can't imagine

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 2>living with this sort of trauma and the guilt of

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>like marrying someone and bringing your daughter into that. Like

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's a lot to it, and I hope

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 2>she's getting all them therapy and everything that she needs. Yeah,

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 2>and fuck Judge Palumbo. And if you ever see him

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 2>out in public, you can spit on him.

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I it, Yeah, I mean, And it's like

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>what we were talking about before, like this is very common.

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>It seems like not common, but more a lot. It

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>has happened a lot of times that men are just

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>setting it on fire. And I would love if anyone

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>has a psychology background, Like, but I think you were.

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 2>About the looks and the ownership and if no one

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>can have, you know, like making you look awful.

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like it didn't seem like he didn't he

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 1>didn't intend to kill her. He intended to just make

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>her suffer.

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what. One of the other cases you

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 2>vet was on the news commenting on was actually like

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 2>a wife and husband and the husband was cheating. She

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 2>burned the woman, the woman who was like an objectively

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 2>like megablonde hot babe. Wow. And yeah, fully so it

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 2>was an ex wife. So it's like, I think you're

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>right in terms of like ruining the looks because this

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a husband. This was like a woman jealous. But

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like burn your husband. Don't burn anybody, please, don't

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>burn anybody. Please. But it's like I hate I hate

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 2>this equal responsibility. I mean, I'm sure it's denial in

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 2>lots of things, but like I hate the I hate

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the thing of like the other woman's to blame. And

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like that other woman owes no one anything, like

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>they're allowed, they're free to fuck who they want. Like

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the anger should be at the person who's made a

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 2>commitment to you or to be faithful, who is down right.

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>The concept of the home wrecker is very problematic. I

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>think it is because even if let's say a woman

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 2>has super low self esteem, a fucking town slut who's

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 2>just out there trying to get married men, that is

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>her prerogative and she owes no one nothing, Yeah, you know,

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like it is the husband's job is to not Yeah.

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I've definitely gotten to a fights with my friends about this.

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's like I don't care if there's a woman naked,

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.879
<v Speaker 2>spread eagle, you cannot enjoy it. You cannot like that woman. Yes,

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be blaming her when people blame the other

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 2>woman all the time. It's like she even a little

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 2>legs open, but like fully naked, being like penetrate me.

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Like it is up to the person who made a

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>commitment to say no, thank.

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>You as appetizing as you made that sound, A lot

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.439
<v Speaker 1>of men would have a hard time saying no.

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I do want to say. I would like to just

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 2>quickly mention the five indicators that are relationship can turn violent.

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is back to what Benson said about like

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you can see when someone is escalating, you don't. And

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 2>that's what's so fucked about our courts. They wait till

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>it's too late. So it's possessiveness and jealousy, controlling behavior,

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 2>verbal abuse, threats to harm you, friends, family, or pets,

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and isolation from friends and family. Yeah, if you just

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>think your significant other is just a little jealous or

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, doesn't let oh he doesn't like me going

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 2>out without you know, like these are signs. Yeah, because

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I like to go on the m I the asshole Twitter, right, Yes,

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot. And there are cases sometimes where people write

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and I don't. I'm not privy to it. It's just

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 2>like a dude, or it's I'm just I keep wanting

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to be gender neutral and like respectful and like lesbians.

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure can be violent too, but I am just

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>speaking in such heteronormative terms. But a lot of times,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>like a guy's acting weird, and then all the comments

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>are people being like these are morning signs, get the

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>fuck out, this is not okay out And I'm like,

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>he just said this little thing, or he just won't

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>let her do that. But people that know this, or

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 2>have dealt with this, or have seen it, or are

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 2>educated in this, you know that those are indicators that

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 2>could happen later once you're married, Like he didn't get violent,

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Like he didn't do this till after marriage, right, So

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>just to make sure that you're not like, oh my

0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend's jealous, it's cute, haha, or like he doesn't let

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 2>me go bowling, or he doesn't like those things are

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>clues and to make sure that you're being treated like

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 2>an autonomous, amazing humane. But the thing that's scary is

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>people that are abusive are master manipulators, and they're able

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 2>to be like members of the community and positive and happy,

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 2>and so people don't believe it, and there are good

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 2>at manipulating. I've been manipulated before, and it's like they're

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 2>good at it or Benson always talks about this, how

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>like predators know who to victimize. They know that you've

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 2>been raped before, that you have problems, or your dad

0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:00.439
<v Speaker 2>didn't like Okay, y are in tune tonight. So don't

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>feel guilt, shame or embarrassment if you are in a

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 2>situation that ends up being abusive or violent, because these

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 2>people are good hiding it and manipulating you to think that.

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for taking us through that very harrowing case.

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, I'm just so thankful that she

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 2>survived such a drawa and Jesus.

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's get to our guest interview.

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Our guest today was a little bitty child in this show,

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>which is amazing, and now she's a full fledged R

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and B hip hop musical superstar.

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah even younger when she was on Star Search, the

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 1>only person to ever get all tends from the judges.

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 2>And what I love is I did you know. I

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 2>was listening to all her YouTube videos and the first

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>person in all of history I would say only positive comments.

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I did not see one negative comment on her videos.

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Every video was like she should be more famous. She's

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>incredible voice of an angel. She is gifted, like there

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>was not one not nice thing. She directs a lot

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 2>of her videos. She dances, she acts, she sings, and

0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.800
<v Speaker 2>while we talked to her, this was our first time

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 2>she was in a makeup chair.

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.439
<v Speaker 1>She was a girl on the go talking to us

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>about to shoot a music video. Because she is now

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a member of an R and B duo called Juwan

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and Tiffany stylized Juwan x Tiffany with Juwan Harris. They

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>released a debut single called Finally in October, and they're

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>gearing up to release their first project in early twenty

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty one. Guys, we have with us today from the

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>episode Burned, we have Tessa. Please welcome Tiffany Evans.

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Hey girlkay, girl bye.

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>As a New Yorker. When you got the call that

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you got the part in Lawn Order SVU. Were you

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a fan of the show, familiar with the show. Was

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 2>it like a big deal when you book that part?

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was a kid, Yeah, I do. I

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>do remember seeing it on TV like all the time,

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 3>and I just I just knew at that point, I

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 3>really I really loved I really loved to act and

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.959
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, you know, honestly, if I get this part,

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 3>then that makes me like the real deal Hollywood. You

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, Like people are gonna take me

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 3>serious as an actress. So yeah, I really wasn't familiar

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 3>with the show, like as far as like watching it

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, but as far as knowing about it and

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 3>how important it was to people, I knew. I knew

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>that much, and it made me want to go for it.

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Now, your episode is pretty intense and has haunted us

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>for over a decade. Now, how do you does? Like

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 2>usually when you do a TV thing, you want to

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 2>get together with your friends and watch it, but it's

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 2>such a serious episode, Like, yeah, how did you feel

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 2>on set? Did they shield you away because you were young?

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.439
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, all of those questions and when you did

0:49:58.440 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>you watch it when you were that young?

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny because the Holy experience was really really cool,

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Like I was on set with some pretty serious actors. Yeah,

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Like they take that acting business very serious.

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of got to.

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:21.240
<v Speaker 3>Channel channel my own emotions and and bring more of

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 3>my own feelings out into the character. Because my parents

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.320
<v Speaker 3>at the time they were kind of going through nothing

0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 3>like the storyline, but they were they were going through

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 3>a nasty ending divorce and so yeah, so my parents

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 3>they didn't really see eye to eye at the time,

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 3>and they were really like, you know, I mean, she

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 3>should still do the role, you know, even though it's

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:46.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of hitting.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Close to home. Blair Underwood is like undeniably hot, but

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 2>he has to be your dad. Yeah, I had a

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 2>crush on him.

0:50:56.360 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like, wait, it's just like I mean, I know,

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't paying me any attention at all. Like I

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 3>was just like, oh my gosh, like having daydreams about him.

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>And then your mom is like the most gorgeous woman

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>in the world, Like you literally had the hottest parents

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen on an SVU episode.

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.399
<v Speaker 3>They were gorgeous and they had a beautiful child too.

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, So did you have any like memories.

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I know that you were like fourteen or fifteen when

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you did this, so I know it was a long

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 1>time ago, but do you have any like specific memories

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>from like, I don't know, did Ice Chase say something

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 1>funny to you or like anything with Blair Underwood or

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like Michael Michelle or anything like that.

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And our Queen Mariska Hargitay, Yeah, and our queen. Can

0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I be honest, yes, yeah, yeah.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 3>So basically I think ice team was like, who's this

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 3>little kid. I don't think he was really focused on me.

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 1>That was probably before it was because it was before

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 1>he had his little baby Chanel, Like now he hasn't

0:51:58.560 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>been now he has a little daughter.

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure he'd be a lot nicer to a

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 2>kid on that.

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure too because he I think he was just

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 3>looking at me like, yeah, she's just here to do

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 3>her job or whatever. But you know, I think I'm

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 3>just gonna be really, really honest. Everyone was super serious

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 3>because of the nature of the production in the storyline. Yeah,

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>and so I do remember Blair would be more friendlier.

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 3>He was friendlier. He had a calm spirit, but he

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 3>stayed in his dressing room most of the time. And

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 3>when he did come out, like he smiled and he

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 3>would ask me if I'm ready, or you know, if

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.280
<v Speaker 3>I need any help going over my lines.

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's nice, Michael Michelle's.

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 3>She was very serious. I mean, and I understand why,

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I really do. As I got older, I'm like, you

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:50.240
<v Speaker 3>know what, they had to be a character.

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and She's like, that's based on a real story.

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 1>So like, I'm sure they wanted to like, you know,

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:58.399
<v Speaker 1>be respectful to like the real well.

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also thinking about the scene at the end

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 2>where he has the gun and all the cops are

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.279
<v Speaker 2>around and you're in like Central Park, Like that must

0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>have been intense.

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that was intense. That that was intense. It almost

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>felt like the real thing, you know what I'm saying.

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Like I was just like wow, like all of these

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 3>people around it. Okay, I do remember being really really cold.

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seemed cold. It seemed like a cold time

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of year.

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I think it was in the winter time that we

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 3>shot it. I'm not sure, but I remember it being

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 3>really really cold. And I remember rehearsing my lines with

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Blair Underwood, and I remember him just like, when you

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.720
<v Speaker 3>need to cry, you know, I need you to pull

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:47.879
<v Speaker 3>that emotion from the experience, the experiences that you've had

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 3>in the past.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:49.720
<v Speaker 2>That impacted you the most.

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 3>And he was like, so, think of something that really

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 3>really hurts you. Like it could be you're losing a

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:01.800
<v Speaker 3>loved one, it could be you know, maybe your parents

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.399
<v Speaker 3>have gone through something similar to this in which they

0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 3>were like just not super similar, just the divorce part.

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, not the violence. I'm sure you're right, but.

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just being really nasty with them partying ways. And

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, you know what, I'll think about my

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 3>my my grandma passing away, and I'll think about my

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.640
<v Speaker 3>parents kind of going through this nasty divorce and I

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 3>wish it was just I wish I wasn't in the

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 3>middle of it. Wow.

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.400
<v Speaker 1>That like changes that I feel like, if I go

0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 1>back and watch the episode now, I'm going to be

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 1>like so much more sad for you.

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're going through it.

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and that's that's the that's the sad part

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 3>about it. But you know, honestly, I was able to

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:49.600
<v Speaker 3>pull my emotion out and kind of just feel like, Okay, Tessa,

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Like I can only imagine what you're going through because

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, your mom is claiming that she's been you know, violated,

0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 3>and your dad is someone that you love and he's

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 3>saying that he didn't do it, and you want to

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.919
<v Speaker 3>protect them. You want to protect the both of them

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 3>because you love the both of them, and it's like

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 3>you're being forced to choose, and I'm just like, man,

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 3>like I can relate to that in a sense, because

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 3>I do feel like, you know, my parents are kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, you know, forcing me to choose a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit because one is unhappy with the other, and I

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<v Speaker 3>love the both of them. And so yeah, that moment

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty intense, and they had like a whole bunch

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 3>of people around staring, and it was just I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was really cool though.

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<v Speaker 2>Overall, Yeah, I bet, I mean, you slay your performance.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you're amazing, very good. I hope you, darlings

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<v Speaker 2>made time to act again. So I was watching some

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<v Speaker 2>of your music videos and you directed them, And this

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<v Speaker 2>might be a stretch, but did you learn anything on

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<v Speaker 2>set at SVU that kind of you kept with you

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<v Speaker 2>to help you and you're the number one on the

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<v Speaker 2>call sheet or directing.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a lot of information as far as just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the call sheet, how to work a call sheet,

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<v Speaker 3>how the production assistance work. The director, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>very like he goes over the shot list, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>that's something that you have to do when you're working

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<v Speaker 3>on music videos.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have a shot list.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many moving parts and continuity is extremely important

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<v Speaker 3>and that's something that you have to also consider when

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<v Speaker 3>you're directing a music video like so that the themes

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<v Speaker 3>connect to each other. But it's a lot of hard work.

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<v Speaker 3>I love grinding like that, like I love being a

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<v Speaker 3>part of a production. I love seeing things on paper

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<v Speaker 3>and then actually coming to life. Like I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>really really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like at the moment, you're mostly focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>your music, do you, But are you still doing acting

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<v Speaker 1>like here and there on the side, or is it

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<v Speaker 1>mostly like music right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I love music, you know, I love acting. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>really wild because I can sing and act.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really did have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Take some time out to focus on the music because

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<v Speaker 3>that's my first love and I wanted to get, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my team together. I wanted to get all of the

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<v Speaker 3>key people together to make what my what my dreams

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<v Speaker 3>are for my music to happen. But as far as acting,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that I'm gonna have to take the same

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time to put into acting because both worlds

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<v Speaker 3>are very very busy. Let me just say that both

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 3>worlds are very very busy, and you can you can

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<v Speaker 3>be a singer and an actress at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>but the focus is intense, especially for acting, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't ever want to get on camera or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on a film, and people are like, oh man, she's

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<v Speaker 3>a great she's a great artist with who she cannot

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<v Speaker 3>act she's very stiff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Want my focus to be really like centered. If I'm

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna if I'm gonna act, then I'm going to focus

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<v Speaker 3>on acting. And so I feel like I have to

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<v Speaker 3>take some time out for that, just like I've done

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<v Speaker 3>with singing.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you grow up in a creative home? How did

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<v Speaker 2>you find out that you could like sing and act?

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<v Speaker 2>I watched your star searches there. Incredible voice.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're so cute and you're like so passionate, like

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<v Speaker 1>so common, and you like sing like an adult.

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<v Speaker 2>You they're so sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>I was such a baby. Yeah, that's crazy. You guys

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<v Speaker 3>watched all of those videos. I still get embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even watch them. Know you were so and

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.680
<v Speaker 2>like you're you're like the only thing that was weird

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to me is why that one of the judges was

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Ben Stein, the guy from the Eye Drop commercial, And

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what's he doing there?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, I remember him too. And they

0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:43.840
<v Speaker 3>were all nice though. They were all very nice and honestly,

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 3>like I think I was kind of like oblivious. I

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 3>really didn't know what was going on exactly. I just

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 3>knew I was a kid who wanted to sing and

0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 3>who wanted to eat and you know, go to Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>That was my first That was first on my list,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I told my dad when I was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like that, you know, I want to go

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<v Speaker 3>to Hollywood. I really want to be like j Lo,

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<v Speaker 3>And so that was the first place I went to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy how it manifested.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that was amazing. I'm sort of starstruck.

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<v Speaker 1>She has like twenty million views on one of her

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.400
<v Speaker 1>YouTube videos with Sierra Well.

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I love glam. I like that she was going to

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:35.640
<v Speaker 2>make up donel'le talking. She's like, I'm a girl, I'm

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:38.200
<v Speaker 2>a go in a pandemic. I gotta go. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to listen to her new stuff. And it

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:42.920
<v Speaker 2>makes sense. I mean, obviously we want dirt from the

0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:45.880
<v Speaker 2>set and how everyone was just high fiving and like

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 2>eating cakes together, but it is a serious episode. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if the vibe does change from episode to episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Very true, Yeah, because it's like, hmm, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>think of who else we've talked to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not evenna say anyth because I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>the order, but like, there's just something so scary about

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the burned, the end the burning. Like obviously the show

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 2>is about sexual assault, like there's every episode's pretty hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's something about that ending that lingers and scares me.

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<v Speaker 2>I really well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because there's almost like two endings of

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<v Speaker 1>that episode. There's like the scream when they're walking out

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<v Speaker 1>of the burn unit, where you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so horrific, and then there's the second ending later

1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>where you find out that she dies, So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a double trauma whammy.

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<v Speaker 2>It must have been so crazy to have your parents

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<v Speaker 2>be going through a divorce and then being on the

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<v Speaker 2>set of like the worst divorce you could ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, totally as like a teen. Yeah, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>she was able to pull from it because she was

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<v Speaker 1>really good, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to I think I learned that I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to be in a movie with Blair Underwood and

1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:56.840
<v Speaker 2>have him coach me, give me some acting tips.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd love to have Robert crom Sex in the city

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<v Speaker 1>give you some acting tips. I would, Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I don't know what the I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the what we've learned is here because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>no one can anticipate that their ex is going to

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<v Speaker 1>douse them with like gas and like.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing, yes, but the thing is Kara, she did

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<v Speaker 2>and she begged for a restraining order and continue in

1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.920
<v Speaker 2>real life. Yeah, so in yeah, you're right in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the lesson we kind of know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wish everyone else would learn is we need to

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<v Speaker 2>change the way.

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<v Speaker 1>To process women when they talk about domestic violence, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like we shouldn't wait until something bad happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And I voted this last selection. Voting for all the

1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:43.080
<v Speaker 2>judges was so fucked up. I was researching all the

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<v Speaker 2>judges in Illinois. One had sexual assaults accusations against him,

1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.919
<v Speaker 2>called a prosecutor a bit. I've just one judge put

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<v Speaker 2>two people away unfairly for decades for crimes they didn't command.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading about like probably fifty judges, and so

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<v Speaker 2>many of them are shady. I feel like, take polity

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<v Speaker 2>out a judge. I don't know what is the answer,

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<v Speaker 2>but like get old way gross people off the benches.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know what we have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're listening and you're an old, white, gross judge,

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<v Speaker 1>we common for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah, we need better judges, a better court system,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe this podcast will fix everything. Yes, I also

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<v Speaker 2>learned iced hated children until we had channaw.

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<v Speaker 1>So for this week's what would Sister Peg Do, where

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<v Speaker 1>we direct you towards a resource. We wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes on the Hotline, which is www dot the

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<v Speaker 1>Hotline dot org, which is a place you can go

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<v Speaker 1>for domestic violence resources and help. And I'm actually really

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<v Speaker 1>impressed with this website. Like the minute you go to it,

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<v Speaker 1>it gives you like a security alert in case your

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<v Speaker 1>Internet usage is being monitored, like it's very It gives

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<v Speaker 1>you can live chat, you can talk, get a phone number,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the National Domestic Violence Hotline and it is

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<v Speaker 1>of coursempletely confidential.

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