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Speaker 2: Today is a leap day, Thursday, February twenty ninth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, and we are officially fifty six days away
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Speaker 2: depend on. We've got the NFL Combine to break down
Speaker 2: media availability kicking off yesterday, and plenty of news and
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Speaker 2: we continue to lead you into NFL Draft process twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Today, we've got Aisha Morrison, Bobby Belton then
Speaker 2: live from Indianapolis. Here in a couple of moments, We've
Speaker 2: got Nick Harris out there from Radio Row. I'm Kyle Yeomens,
Speaker 2: Chris Beaman the back, and Bobby. This is always a
Speaker 2: fun time of year because this is really where the
Speaker 2: information starts to gather. You've got all of the scouting,
Speaker 2: all of the film, and all of the gathering of
Speaker 2: information initially. Now you get to share that information.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the super Bowl of the off season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not just because of what it is for the draft,
Speaker 3: but naturally you get all these powerful decision makers out there.
Speaker 3: Gives them a chance to, hey, let's check in before
Speaker 3: free agency, let's talk about trades, let's do some different things.
Speaker 3: So to me, this is the pinnacle of the NFL offseason,
Speaker 3: even though it hasn't officially gotten underway yet. This week
Speaker 3: right here, and what you get to learn about the players,
Speaker 3: whether it be in the meetings, on the whiteboard, when
Speaker 3: you see their testing, it's just a it's a great
Speaker 3: week where I think everything sort of starts to come
Speaker 3: into form for the NFL off season.
Speaker 2: It's crazy how quickly it got here. Please, I felt
Speaker 2: like yesterday we were watching the Chiefs play the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers in Las Vegas, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it does go back quick and before we know it,
Speaker 5: it'll be I mean, right after combine it's free agency.
Speaker 5: So to your point, Bobby, it does start to get real.
Speaker 5: It starts you start to really feel like what happens
Speaker 5: in this next few months it does impact next season.
Speaker 5: So in regards to the combine, it's it's about that
Speaker 5: time for these guys too. This is what I said
Speaker 5: on our show. It's one of the few times in
Speaker 5: the NFL that you will get to display what you
Speaker 5: can do as an individual, and so I think it's
Speaker 5: important for these guys to come out and perform.
Speaker 2: That is interesting because it is a team game. That
Speaker 2: always is a team game, but the NFL Draft is
Speaker 2: very individualistic, and so is the combine. The one time
Speaker 2: where you are the microscope and under the microscope, so
Speaker 2: scrutinized all the way across the league, both from a
Speaker 2: draft standpoint and scout standpoint, but also from a media
Speaker 2: standpoint as well.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, these interviews are super important as well. I mean
Speaker 5: sometimes that I learned that last year being down there
Speaker 5: with y'all. It's just you hear little whispers about interviews
Speaker 5: or hear little conversations, and it's like, okay, cool, Okay,
Speaker 5: this guy gets it, this guy doesn't get and stuff
Speaker 5: starts to make sense. And it's easier for us too,
Speaker 5: especially because we can start really putting our boards together
Speaker 5: because those medicals and things kind of add clarity as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I mean, this right here is just
Speaker 3: from the perspective of like I remember years ago when
Speaker 3: the same years ago. Now it seems like it just
Speaker 3: got in the league. But years ago when TJ. Watt
Speaker 3: was at the combine, Yeah, and you saw the type
Speaker 3: of athlete he was in his testing, and it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that didn't that didn't necessarily show up with what Wisconsin
Speaker 3: asked him to do. They asked him to do a
Speaker 3: lot of push pull stuff. You didn't necessarily get to
Speaker 3: see those athletic trades and you had no idea Max Crosby,
Speaker 3: another edge rusher who had the same sort of thing,
Speaker 3: goes out there performs big. You start to hear some
Speaker 3: of the buzz about like who do teams like who
Speaker 3: are they impressed by? And not even just at the
Speaker 3: top of the draft, you just start to hear about
Speaker 3: their draft crushes on Day three or like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: this third round guy, you know, maybe he's lacking this
Speaker 3: in terms of his test or whatever else. But man,
Speaker 3: when we sat down with him for those twenty minutes
Speaker 3: in a formal ene interview, you see the type of
Speaker 3: you know, football character he has and the demeanor he has,
Speaker 3: and you know then this is also the time of
Speaker 3: year where drama can come out of it. A couple
Speaker 3: of weeks from now, you start hearing about medicals, maybe
Speaker 3: you hear about tests at the combine that didn't go well,
Speaker 3: and so this is a absolutely critical week to every
Speaker 3: team's you know, team building philosophy.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so much fun and you've got some great
Speaker 2: connections just based off of what you've heard through the
Speaker 2: first couple of days of the combine. What's the first
Speaker 2: thing that stuck out to you?
Speaker 3: You know, I think that and the first thing I
Speaker 3: want to say, because you know, we're gonna have Nick
Speaker 3: on here in a second, he's gonna talk about all
Speaker 3: the different formal and informal interviews. One of the things
Speaker 3: that's always stuck out to me that I've heard from
Speaker 3: people around the league is that they'll say, like, hey,
Speaker 3: you need to really understand how sincere that split between
Speaker 3: formal and informal is, Like that's it. That's a serious
Speaker 3: dividing line, because one of them is you're sitting in
Speaker 3: a suite or a conference room with five decision makers
Speaker 3: from the team or whatever else and getting whiteboard work,
Speaker 3: and an informal can be as much as somebody going
Speaker 3: down to somebody after workout and going like, hey, we
Speaker 3: went to the same high school. That's pretty cool. Do
Speaker 3: you know what? Yeah, like, do you do you know
Speaker 3: this fast food joint there?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Great talking to you. That can be an informal like
Speaker 3: counted that way. So I think the it's absolutely important
Speaker 3: to keep track of the type of formal interviews that
Speaker 3: they're having. And so I think the big thing coming
Speaker 3: out of this so far to me is that there's
Speaker 3: an understanding just from what Stephen Jones is saying when
Speaker 3: you look at some of these formals that they've had
Speaker 3: already and just some of the buzz coming out of there,
Speaker 3: it's that the Cowboys, I think, recognize that, hey, middle
Speaker 3: of the defense, we want to be better, like you know,
Speaker 3: on all three levels, the interior of the defensive line,
Speaker 3: linebackers on the second level, the safeties in the secondary,
Speaker 3: we want to be better there. And so I think
Speaker 3: that that's one of the things that you start to
Speaker 3: hear the buzzwords around this time of year. You know,
Speaker 3: Steve and I think said three times the other day,
Speaker 3: had used the phrase holistic. So like you start hearing
Speaker 3: like an idea of like, oh, okay, this is how
Speaker 3: they're processing the off season, this is how they're approaching it,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the things that you're consistently hearing
Speaker 3: chattered about I think right now is just they want
Speaker 3: to be better in the middle of the defense.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean that's what I took from it
Speaker 5: as well, looking at a lot of the guys that
Speaker 5: they were able to speak to. Thank you for even
Speaker 5: bringing up the formal and informal saying. I think it
Speaker 5: is important to remind people because even me, I'm still
Speaker 5: fresh to some of the conversation and what some of
Speaker 5: the meanings are.
Speaker 6: So I thought that was important that you guys clarified that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bod Yeah, because formals, like you said, you're
Speaker 2: in a room full of scouts of the front office,
Speaker 2: and you even can FaceTime Mike McCarthy who's back here
Speaker 2: in Dallas, Mike Zimmer, who's back here in Dallas. You'll
Speaker 2: have those conversations and then early in the week, especially
Speaker 2: whenever these position groups, because you go day by day
Speaker 2: with position groups. That's why we've heard a lot of
Speaker 2: the defense and seen a lot of those names early
Speaker 2: because the first position groups have been deficient. Right. But
Speaker 2: they'll put together these mixers where you get some cocktail tables,
Speaker 2: not cocktails. But you've got different tables through an open
Speaker 2: room in the convention center, and you send these position
Speaker 2: groups in there, and each table has the Cowboys or
Speaker 2: the Raiders or the Commanders, and it's it's exactly what
Speaker 2: it is. It's speed.
Speaker 6: Ba's how it looks. That's what it looks like sometimes.
Speaker 3: And I mean, look at it from this perspective. One
Speaker 3: of the things we're hearing about. I know Stephen talked
Speaker 3: about he I don't think we we have issues with
Speaker 3: the culture. I think the culture is strong here, but
Speaker 3: I think they definitely want they want some more toughness.
Speaker 3: I think they want some more cerebral football players this
Speaker 3: spring that they're looking at acquiring. And this is a
Speaker 3: great opportunity in those twenty minute sit downs to sit
Speaker 3: there and go what kind of football character does this
Speaker 3: guy have? How does he respond to this? What kind
Speaker 3: of answers has he given me? Like you get a
Speaker 3: sense of the edge that they have, the competitiveness and
Speaker 3: things like that. And so it's an absolutely great week.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out well for the Eagles a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, but again a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: we're talking eight now. But like Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3: In large part the reason they went up and got
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz was from the formal that they had at
Speaker 3: the Combine where they were really impressed with him on
Speaker 3: the whiteboard and some of the stuff he said, and
Speaker 3: they went, Okay, we feel good about this, let's trade
Speaker 3: up to two. We're gonna go get him. So this
Speaker 3: is a big week for these meetings are very critical,
Speaker 3: I think to them forming a lot of their opinions
Speaker 3: about guys.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie. It's a little weird not
Speaker 2: being out in Indianapolis this week, but we do have
Speaker 2: boots on the ground. We do have representation from the
Speaker 2: draft show. Nick Harris is down in the media center.
Speaker 2: Nick looking great, by the way, you don't look tired
Speaker 2: at all. You look like you've had a week full
Speaker 2: of reporting. You look like you've had a week full
Speaker 2: of information. What's been the biggest standout piece of info
Speaker 2: you've heard so far?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just another day, another dollar. But yeah, it's
Speaker 7: been really fun out here in Indianapolis. My first time
Speaker 7: you got the combine. I think probably a couple of
Speaker 7: the biggest nuggets that I've been able to take away
Speaker 7: from these first couple of days of media availabilities. We
Speaker 7: could start with yesterday defensive tackles to five formal interviews
Speaker 7: at the Cowboys are participating in over the course of
Speaker 7: this week to Andre Swi out of Texas, McKinley Jackson
Speaker 7: out of Texas, A and m just a couple of
Speaker 7: the names that are standing out from that group. But
Speaker 7: then also today they're looking at a couple of high
Speaker 7: round corners. Formal interview with Nate Wiggins out of Clemson
Speaker 7: and I wake Forest is Kayln Carson a formal interview
Speaker 7: with him, Georgia Corner Kamari Lasseter. You know, I've talked
Speaker 7: about him as potentially being a fun Jordan Lewis replacement
Speaker 7: if they are able to if they're not able to
Speaker 7: bring Jordan Lewis back onto the team next season, So
Speaker 7: they're looking at some of those day one, day two
Speaker 7: type corners. I think that's a position that, you know,
Speaker 7: at least for me, I'm starting to take more seriously
Speaker 7: as we look at draft needs coming out of free agency.
Speaker 2: It seems like that might be a sneaky need.
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, Nick, do you when you see them meeting
Speaker 3: having formal interviews like that, do you think that's indicative
Speaker 3: of any potential vulnerability of like, hey, Stefan Gilmore is
Speaker 3: a free agent, and you know, we got to make
Speaker 3: sure that things work right for us here to ted.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they look at that as like, hey,
Speaker 3: we got to make sure our bases are covered and
Speaker 3: have an understanding of who's potentially available at the top
Speaker 3: of the draft in case we're we're sitting there needing
Speaker 3: a third corner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's certainly insurance as well.
Speaker 7: I mean, if they aren't able to bring back either
Speaker 7: Stefan Gilmore or Jordan Lewis and they need a guy
Speaker 7: that can step in and start on day one, then
Speaker 7: a guy like Nate Wiggins or potentially Kamari Laster could
Speaker 7: fit that mold. They would just need to bring him
Speaker 7: in camp and be able to work him up and
Speaker 7: get him ready for those type of moments. But you know,
Speaker 7: you're only guaranteed bringing back Trayvon Diggs and de Ron Bland,
Speaker 7: so it wouldn't make to plan for any scenario.
Speaker 2: What's been the outside of the defensive early media buzz,
Speaker 2: have you heard anything on the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like, I know those position groups will
Speaker 2: come later in the week. But what have you started
Speaker 2: to hear from your conversations out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, tight Ends coach Lunda Wells is out here meeting
Speaker 7: with a ton of these titands informally. You know, I
Speaker 7: don't feel like there's an approach to even drafted in
Speaker 7: this draft cycle. But he's still having those conversations and
Speaker 7: he'll actually be working out with him during the combine
Speaker 7: as well. But receivers, I think that's probably the biggest
Speaker 7: thing I'm looking at as well as I think once
Speaker 7: we have conversations with those guys that'll be tomorrow, I
Speaker 7: think we'll have a lot more clarity about the type
Speaker 7: of running back they will be looking for here in
Speaker 7: this draft cycle. For me, I would expect them to
Speaker 7: go out in a free agency to try to find
Speaker 7: that scatback, type of small back that can be a
Speaker 7: dynamic weapon in the receiving game and also be able
Speaker 7: to get some things done maybe on second down and
Speaker 7: type of like a counter or draw situation. But then
Speaker 7: have that bruising running back to draft out of this
Speaker 7: draft class. You know, that's something they didn't have last year.
Speaker 7: They needed those short yardage type of runs. They tried
Speaker 7: it with Hunter Lppy on a couple of occasions, and
Speaker 7: while it did work that Miami fumble definitely did leave
Speaker 7: the leave me in the press box wiping my tears
Speaker 7: a little bit. But I think if they can go
Speaker 7: out and get a guy like Braylan Allen or a
Speaker 7: Ray Davis, we've talked about, goodness, I'm blanking on the
Speaker 7: guy from Tennessee, Jalen Zach Walchuck's guy. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 7: I think will get a big guy like that. I
Speaker 7: think it would be I think it would be big time.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 5: I'm not giving you pushback, but I'm also I am curious.
Speaker 5: So you mentioned that the tight end position is somewhere
Speaker 5: that you don't think that they with draft.
Speaker 6: Why is that? What?
Speaker 7: To this point, the room is the room, Okay.
Speaker 8: The room is developed.
Speaker 7: I mean you have you have Jake Ferguson starting, You
Speaker 7: got a couple of established backups. They spent a second
Speaker 7: round pick on Luke schoon Maker last year, Peyton Henderstott's
Speaker 7: coming in, and then John Stevens Junior's coming off of injury.
Speaker 8: They're gonna have to figure out how to work him in.
Speaker 7: Sean McEwan is a free agent, so they have a
Speaker 7: decision to make with him, but I don't really feel
Speaker 7: like there's a need for that position whenever you look
Speaker 7: at the number of draft picks that the Cowboys have
Speaker 7: this year in comparison to their needs as well.
Speaker 3: Ok you know, Nick, when we talk about some of
Speaker 3: the stuff you're seeing on the offense side, you mentioned the
Speaker 3: receivers and the running backs. Steven are obvious to talk
Speaker 3: this week, and one of the big headlines coming out
Speaker 3: of there was the Tyler Smith comments, like is he
Speaker 3: starting to give an indication potentially that you know, maybe
Speaker 3: the interior is Tyler Smith's future? Are you going to
Speaker 3: have extra attention on Okay, let me see formally if
Speaker 3: there's a greater focus maybe on some of these tackle
Speaker 3: specific players rather than guys who have that flexibility playing side.
Speaker 3: Are you looking to see if there's any any indication
Speaker 3: like that given what they said about Tyler Smith.
Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, We'll be able to talk to offensive linemen
Speaker 7: on Saturday, but I think there will be a bigger
Speaker 7: focus whenever you look at the tackle position as opposed
Speaker 7: to interior, because you saw what Tyler Smith was able
Speaker 7: to do right there at left guard last season. I mean,
Speaker 7: he played like he could be a perennial All Pro
Speaker 7: as long as he stays healthy throughout the course of
Speaker 7: his career. In my opinion, I think he was the
Speaker 7: best guard in the NFC East this past season, and
Speaker 7: just being able to carry that in year two and
Speaker 7: be able to still grow and project be even better
Speaker 7: over the course of the next few seasons. I understand
Speaker 7: why Steven Jones made that con made that comment. I
Speaker 7: think there's an opportunity for him to really shine over
Speaker 7: the course of the next few years. Let him hone
Speaker 7: in right there in the interior. Bring in a first
Speaker 7: round tackle, especially given this tackle class. If you want
Speaker 7: to go grab one in round one, this is a
Speaker 7: perfect opportunity to go do that with the guy that
Speaker 7: could start either in replacement of Tyron Smith or be
Speaker 7: waiting in case he goes down.
Speaker 2: So we've already hit a little bit of how important
Speaker 2: these interviews are, how important the information sharing is. But
Speaker 2: of course drills are a big part of this as well,
Speaker 2: and you finally get some of the numbers and some
Speaker 2: of the tactical evidence for a lot of these players.
Speaker 2: Which are you more excited about. Are you looking forward
Speaker 2: to the forty yard dash or the rest of the
Speaker 2: drills for each of these positions as you're going on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess it just kind of depends on what
Speaker 7: position we're talking about, right, because if we're talking about
Speaker 7: offensive line, a defensive lineman. While I do want to
Speaker 7: see those big boys run and get up there, I'm
Speaker 7: not necessarily looking at their forty necessarily. I'm maybe looking
Speaker 7: at the French press or you know, some other power elements.
Speaker 8: But you look at these dbs, these skill.
Speaker 7: Guys, receivers, running backs, would love to see how they run,
Speaker 7: but also those catching drills as well. Those are big
Speaker 7: parts of what this combine is and what it can bring.
Speaker 7: Got a good group of quarterbacks that will be throwing,
Speaker 7: even though Caleb Williams will not, so there's still a
Speaker 7: really good opportunity for these guys these offensive weapons.
Speaker 3: Yet I'm curious, Nick, and obviously not Cowboys specific we're
Speaker 3: talking about top of the draft, but just some of
Speaker 3: the chatter you've heard around there, some of the media availability.
Speaker 3: Has there been any discussion or any thought about this
Speaker 3: idea of Kayleb Williams saying I'm coming in or I'm
Speaker 3: not throwing. I'm not coming into the NFL with an agent.
Speaker 3: I already feel like I've answered enough of these questions.
Speaker 3: Have you heard any chatter about that or just in
Speaker 3: general some of the stuff about what the Bears are
Speaker 3: thinking at the top of the draft.
Speaker 7: Yeah, as it sounds right now, it doesn't really feel
Speaker 7: like the Bears have a final decision. They will have
Speaker 7: to come to a final decision before that March eleventh,
Speaker 7: March thirteenth range, before free agency comes. That's what the
Speaker 7: chatter has been around here that they want to have
Speaker 7: a decision before then so they know the direction of
Speaker 7: the team before you know, they really dive into free agency.
Speaker 7: But if I'm a betting man, I think they keep
Speaker 7: the number one pick and they roll with Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 7: But I think it would be an interesting future for
Speaker 7: them for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's the first domino that needs
Speaker 2: to fall for other draft trades to start happening, because
Speaker 2: it feels like even though they have that top pick
Speaker 2: in the draft, and of course they're picking a little
Speaker 2: bit later in the top ten as well, but you
Speaker 2: have to know what the Bears are thinking before the
Speaker 2: rest of the teams can be certain in pulling the
Speaker 2: trigger and deals that we're looking at.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry to say that one more time, Kyle, I
Speaker 7: lost you there in the middle.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's the first domino that needs
Speaker 2: to fall from a trade perspective.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's the easy, easy pick that that
Speaker 7: would be traded first. That would kind of just set
Speaker 7: off the open market. As far as being able to
Speaker 7: move around, I think there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 7: moving in that top ten. But everyone wants to know
Speaker 7: what's going on with the Bears for sure.
Speaker 2: All right, what does your schedule look like as you
Speaker 2: continue on for Combine coverage and then we'll get you
Speaker 2: back for next week. But what do you got going
Speaker 2: on the docket today?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Here, in about five minutes, I'll be meeting with Will McLay.
Speaker 7: We'll have an interview up on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 7: here soon, just kind of talking about Combine, draft strategy,
Speaker 7: things of that nature. And then tomorrow it's quarterbacks, receivers
Speaker 7: and running backs that we'll be able to talk to
Speaker 7: you during media availabilities, and then tomorrow getting Jerry Jones
Speaker 7: and getting his his take on the offseason and the
Speaker 7: draft as well.
Speaker 2: What's one question, Bobby that he needs to ask Will McClay.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's a good question. How much are
Speaker 3: as we talk about the offensive line? How much is
Speaker 3: position flexibility still something that they're really gauging versus how
Speaker 3: much do they want when we look at the interior
Speaker 3: offensive line? Guys who that is their specialty?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got you, Bobby, I'll throw that in for
Speaker 8: thank you.
Speaker 2: I want you to ask what does the all in
Speaker 2: approach mean to Will McLay too. I think that's been
Speaker 2: a buzz topic, that's been a buzzword throughout and I
Speaker 2: think he'd have a great answer for that. So if
Speaker 2: you can fit that one in for me as well too, Nick,
Speaker 2: we really appreciate it. You could keep up to date
Speaker 2: with Nick by the way, if you haven't already, Nick
Speaker 2: Harris DC on Twitter, you've done phenomenal work all week long.
Speaker 2: Keep it rolling. It certainly makes us feel like we're
Speaker 2: more connected and involved back here inside the stars. You're
Speaker 2: out there doing great work and we'll see you here
Speaker 2: in a couple of days.
Speaker 8: Thanks fellas, willis here. I got a run.
Speaker 2: Okay, go go go sounds good there, he goes, Nick
Speaker 2: Harris out in Indianapolis. Great stuff as always.
Speaker 3: He's been running all day. He really has ran on
Speaker 3: the set, ran off set. I mean, just you know,
Speaker 3: it's the week man.
Speaker 6: That's how you were when I was signing you out
Speaker 6: there last year. I mean listening.
Speaker 5: If you don't know, Bobby got one of the meanest
Speaker 5: power walks.
Speaker 6: I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, it's for Rochio.
Speaker 3: Be doing it very Yeah, it's a very deliberate. Let
Speaker 3: me see the manager. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I love it, I really do. All right, let's take
Speaker 2: our first break when we come back. We've got Twitter
Speaker 2: on the twenty with plenty of NFL combine and draft questions.
Speaker 2: We'll hit those when we come back right after this
Speaker 2: with more of the draft show.
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show.
Speaker 2: Back here on the Draft Show. Fifty six days away
Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, NFL combine going on in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: and plenty of news and notes to share, but we
Speaker 2: continue into that news and notes with some I heard
Speaker 2: it it was back there. Yeah, I pushed it was Twitter.
Speaker 3: On Twitter on the twenty there. All right.
Speaker 2: First question comes from Maxwell on the Beamer's doing a lot.
Speaker 3: That was actually my fault that that was missed after
Speaker 3: I just threw a name at during the break, So
Speaker 3: that's actually my fault.
Speaker 2: If Beam is able to cut the b roll, well,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it in the third segment, but we're
Speaker 2: pulling a player up here as we speak. All right,
Speaker 2: Maxwell asked, He said, I remember last year specifically saying
Speaker 2: that the Cowboys liked Mozzie Smith early in last year's
Speaker 2: draft process. Are there any guys right now that you
Speaker 2: know the Cowboys like this time around?
Speaker 3: That is a great question because I think just from
Speaker 3: so the formals are going to be a great indication
Speaker 3: of that. But I think in terms of if you
Speaker 3: look at formals matching up with tape need and some
Speaker 3: of the rumblings you hear about how they've I do
Speaker 3: think that Edge Cooper from Texas A and M is
Speaker 3: a guy that they like. Yeah, And I think that
Speaker 3: that's somebody who absolutely if in the second round they're
Speaker 3: pick as sitting there and he's on the board, I
Speaker 3: mean they're not going to take a linebacker in the
Speaker 3: first round, I wouldn't think. I don't think there's one
Speaker 3: up there, But assuming that has not been dealt with yet,
Speaker 3: I think that Edge Cooper would be high on the
Speaker 3: list of guys that they would be intrigued by in
Speaker 3: the second round. But that's somebody that I know. There
Speaker 3: are fans of his around here, and so that's one
Speaker 3: that I think stands out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Darius Mussau UCLA linebacker. I think some
Speaker 5: of the things he did at the Shrine Bowl, and
Speaker 5: because there were so many of the Cowboys folks down here,
Speaker 5: it's multiple as getting on this kid. I do think
Speaker 5: that he's one of those guys that if he's there,
Speaker 5: then it's kind of feels like he's He's somebody they
Speaker 5: would be looking at.
Speaker 6: To bring in.
Speaker 2: That was the first name I thought of.
Speaker 5: Whenever I saw that question, is I'm stealing?
Speaker 2: No? That was great. No, I mean that just doubles
Speaker 2: down really what we've been hearing. I think the early
Speaker 2: name for me might be Tyler Geyton out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 6: Because you keep seeing a lots here.
Speaker 2: I think there's something to that. I think they really
Speaker 2: like Tyler, and I think they like the fact that
Speaker 2: he brings youth and a little bit of experience too,
Speaker 2: because he's played in a significant amount of games. He's
Speaker 2: played significant snaps, at least from a collegiate standpoint for
Speaker 2: a guy that's his age going into the NFL.
Speaker 3: They like monster sized Tyler offensive lineman from Oklahoma. I
Speaker 3: like that's kind of their niche.
Speaker 5: I will say that hate him paired with Tyler.
Speaker 6: I definitely thought about it too. I thought about it too.
Speaker 5: I'm just like Tulsa, Oh you we got Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: at home?
Speaker 12: Liked he literally just added a twin another one, like
Speaker 12: I mean, honestly, if you look at something like the
Speaker 12: stuff in his scouting report too, it looks kind of
Speaker 12: like Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3: They're still raw as some issues with footwork and technique
Speaker 3: gets strong as hell.
Speaker 6: That's literally what I wrote down.
Speaker 5: I said, we got Tylers Smith at home. You like
Speaker 5: your mom would be like, we got McDonald's at home anyway.
Speaker 2: See, but the McDonald's at home is never really as good,
Speaker 2: not really as good unless it's cooked up and it's
Speaker 2: ready to go. But usually when you're saying we've got
Speaker 2: McDonald's at home, that means you're eating something up in
Speaker 2: the mic.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say Tyler Smith heating.
Speaker 6: Well, you're heating up Tyler got.
Speaker 2: He is where you're getting them to that point? Yes,
Speaker 2: I like it, Yes, I like it. Uh. Mister Valles
Speaker 2: on Twitter says, match a player and a team that
Speaker 2: you've seen so far that would make you say, man,
Speaker 2: this player is going to be a problem. So best
Speaker 2: fits between a prospect and a team from the early
Speaker 2: going in the draft?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean from the early rounds.
Speaker 2: What you said, Yeah, any round kind of where you're
Speaker 2: you're headed.
Speaker 3: I mean, so it's not been frequent, but I mean
Speaker 3: people who wonder about, like would Washington come up to
Speaker 3: like one if Chicago's willing to flip and get out
Speaker 3: of there. I mean that's natural. That's a natural fit
Speaker 3: there because you've got Cliff Kings there as the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator already worked with you know, Caleb Williams. It's right,
Speaker 3: I think for his skill set there, he's from Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Like, I mean a lot of things. I
Speaker 3: think check box is there, but you know it's I
Speaker 3: don't know that that's one that has has stood out
Speaker 3: to me, just the idea of that pairing would be
Speaker 3: really good. I mean, I think, honestly, when you've seen
Speaker 3: some of the the pairings that you've gotten with Dallas,
Speaker 3: like the Tyler Geiiton one or Mems just some of
Speaker 3: these you know, freaky, big athletic guys. It just and
Speaker 3: the success that they've had with those types of players,
Speaker 3: going back to even Tyron Smith all the way up.
Speaker 3: I think that those are are ones that I look
Speaker 3: at and say, those are good fits. But I mean,
Speaker 3: those are some of the ones that stand out to me.
Speaker 5: So I I mean, I think I have one. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, I'm not one d sure with
Speaker 5: Jeremi Trotter he uh where does he have ties too?
Speaker 5: I'm amos, don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like a screenshadow if you talk Todrew's dad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm saying, like whatever, Philly, Philly, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because his dad played in Philly, brought us, drafted him
Speaker 3: there Philly.
Speaker 5: I've just been seeing a little buzz about that. But
Speaker 5: then also too, he's we've seen it, You've seen it,
Speaker 5: I all seen.
Speaker 6: It, but I always seen it. They need help it linebacker.
Speaker 5: So and I do think that he's a gentleman that
Speaker 5: could fall to them, and it maybe could work. I
Speaker 5: mentioned even earlier in the draft jahem bel fsu tight
Speaker 5: end slash basically running back.
Speaker 6: Holy crap, please keep him away from san fran I
Speaker 6: beg of the I definitely think he.
Speaker 5: Could be somebody that they see because he has that
Speaker 5: I can do things in the backfield, but I can
Speaker 5: also do things because I'm athletic and stuff like that
Speaker 5: in the intermediate middle part of the field. You know,
Speaker 5: that's their money. So he has some versatility to his game.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's some connection there.
Speaker 3: I do think also now that you know you've got
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald in Seattle and some of the history he
Speaker 3: has with what he's done with defensive linemen of I
Speaker 3: think similar are types. I think that when you've seen,
Speaker 3: you know, Byron Murphy mocked to Seattle in a couple
Speaker 3: different instances, I think that that's a good fit. And
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of, you know, one of not
Speaker 3: just from a perspective of what they need and what
Speaker 3: would help them, but just from the idea of like
Speaker 3: what Mike McDonald has been able to do with guys
Speaker 3: like that. I think that Byron Murphy in his hands
Speaker 3: would be great.
Speaker 2: And this is a fit that could very well happen.
Speaker 2: But how about Drake May quarterback North Carolina going to
Speaker 2: Washington in that early.
Speaker 3: Spot to replace Sam Hallijn now who was his predecessor
Speaker 3: at North Carolina.
Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of impact would that be? I
Speaker 2: mean is that that's an interesting dynamic overall, and of
Speaker 2: course dan Quinn out there in Washington they need a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Drake May there is a great fit.
Speaker 3: I think. You know, they've had the and I think
Speaker 3: specifically Cliff working with a guy like Drake May would
Speaker 3: be huge. Now you know, there's some that have I know,
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels could go number two instead of Drake May,
Speaker 3: and people say, look, he had success with Kyler, He's
Speaker 3: had success with a mobile quarterback. He knows how to
Speaker 3: use them, knows how to get the most out of them.
Speaker 3: I think obviously it's different skill set. You're talking about
Speaker 3: different size profiles and different passers. But no, I think
Speaker 3: that Drake May is a is a really good fit
Speaker 3: for Washington and specifically if Cliff were able to work
Speaker 3: with him. And you know, there's still some questions about
Speaker 3: for me when watching May is just like what he's
Speaker 3: seeing at times and the decisions that he makes, and
Speaker 3: I think just Cliff being such a you know, high
Speaker 3: IQ offensive football mind him working with him, I think
Speaker 3: would be massive.
Speaker 2: Usually during the week of the Combine is whenever I
Speaker 2: submit my first block of positions for the draft magazine
Speaker 2: coming up, because I want to get the combine reads
Speaker 2: before I really submit him for review. So quarterback is
Speaker 2: the first position. I normally just get it out of
Speaker 2: the way early. I have a really high grade on
Speaker 2: Drake May so that was one of the knocks is
Speaker 2: I wrote struggle the times working and making the complicated reads.
Speaker 2: We get himself in trouble by forcing passes and taking
Speaker 2: too long to navigate through progressions, and because of that,
Speaker 2: at times his footwork lapses whenever his timing is thrown off,
Speaker 2: but whenever he's got given.
Speaker 6: Time to throw, he sees it he can do it.
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, he's prototypical quarterback. He can be a franchise guy.
Speaker 2: He's got to get better at reading a defense is
Speaker 2: ultimately where it's at, which is you can teach that
Speaker 2: it's normal.
Speaker 11: I mean it.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to sit up here and make it
Speaker 5: seem like it's an excuse. But I guess this is
Speaker 5: again that's why we talk about the formals and things
Speaker 5: like that, like at what level is it? Because I
Speaker 5: do think that's a part of you know, come into
Speaker 5: the league as a quarterback is like it does take
Speaker 5: time to understand these things. I mean we didn't see
Speaker 5: Dak take that like next step, next step to.
Speaker 6: What year four?
Speaker 5: You're maybe five, So I just think as normal. But
Speaker 5: the arm talent to me stood out is that, like
Speaker 5: you said, if he sees it, he can place it,
Speaker 5: and he's powerful. It's not a lot, it's not super floated.
Speaker 5: If he's decisive, when he's decisive, and to your point
Speaker 5: when you mentioned the mechanics and all those things.
Speaker 6: So I like, I like him.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of the better quarterbacks in this draft.
Speaker 6: Because they they he not throwing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean like that was a big conversation,
Speaker 3: right at least, you know, in terms of the analyst community,
Speaker 3: it was a big conversation for instance about Mahomes when
Speaker 3: he was coming out like that, they were like, you
Speaker 3: just you don't know, like you don't know what he
Speaker 3: is on the whiteboard, you don't know what he is
Speaker 3: in terms of pre and post snap reads and things
Speaker 3: like that, and so I think that that's another thing
Speaker 3: is that people may look at Drake May as a
Speaker 3: case of like, well, we don't really know yet. There
Speaker 3: are things. There are times where the it looks like
Speaker 3: a bad read, like maybe he just got confused post
Speaker 3: snap with what he had seen. Then there are other
Speaker 3: instances where it can be something where it looks to
Speaker 3: me at times a little Stafford like where it's just
Speaker 3: almost irrational trust in his ability to get it. There's
Speaker 3: out and so sometimes it may just be he read
Speaker 3: it right and he just thought, well, I can get
Speaker 3: this there.
Speaker 2: He's like, screw that, I'm fitting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I know, I know I can put the
Speaker 3: ball on him. And so there are times where it
Speaker 3: looks like a battery and other times where it looks
Speaker 3: like to me, he's just incredibly confident in his arm talent.
Speaker 2: Which is a good thing. At times sure could turn
Speaker 2: into a back kind.
Speaker 6: Of temperate you gotta temperate, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's how it rolls, all right. Andrew asked this question.
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit with Nick a moment ago
Speaker 2: about defensive tackle and linebacker Bobby. You said at the
Speaker 2: middle of the draft has been an emphasis or middle
Speaker 2: of the defense has been an emphasis in the draft
Speaker 2: process so far. Andrew wants to know who is everyone's
Speaker 2: favorite defensive tackle or linebacker that the Cowboys have had
Speaker 2: a formal visit so far. And here's the list of
Speaker 2: formal visits off of Nick's Twitter account, McKinley Jackson, Texas
Speaker 2: A and m Mason Smith LSU Chris Jenkins from Michigan.
Speaker 2: You can make the jokes now if you want to
Speaker 2: Rooque or Or from Clemson to Andre Sweat from Texas.
Speaker 2: We'll start with the dts. So there's the five formals
Speaker 2: that were reported by Nick. Paris so high.
Speaker 3: I don't wanna I'm gonna give the caveat now. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna sound like a Homer, but it's Tavandra Swet.
Speaker 6: Yeah there you it's hard to say anybody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that to me is the easy one.
Speaker 3: And I'd like, I'm not even super high on Sweat
Speaker 3: like like a lot of other people. I think Sweat's
Speaker 3: gonna rise to a point and go in the draft,
Speaker 3: probably higher than I would take him, like just for
Speaker 3: my own comfort level of my own fantasy mock draft
Speaker 3: way of taking guys, I he would be He's probably
Speaker 3: gonna go higher than I would take. But I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no denying just the type of freak that he
Speaker 3: is for his size and the ability that he shows
Speaker 3: against the run. And you know, I think that there
Speaker 3: there's very rarely, even against big time offensive lines like
Speaker 3: what Washington has, very rarely do you see people getting
Speaker 3: movement on him. And I think that that's absolutely critical
Speaker 3: for what we're talking about with the cow Boys is
Speaker 3: the idea of having that sturdy anchor in the middle
Speaker 3: of the defense to help with some of this run support,
Speaker 3: which is something Steven still when they talked about needs
Speaker 3: the other day, he talked about positions, but when he
Speaker 3: talked about an actual area of execution where they still start,
Speaker 3: he still pointed to the run defense has got to
Speaker 3: be better.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 5: I have a question because we're talking about this, because
Speaker 5: it feels like something that we need to start considering.
Speaker 5: I know, I need to start considering. Who they are
Speaker 5: paired up with matters in this, especially with DT. To me,
Speaker 5: it matters especially it depends on is the guy next
Speaker 5: to them more of a two gapper or is this
Speaker 5: person the two gapper or is another person next to
Speaker 5: them more of a speedy I don't know birsty twitchy guy,
Speaker 5: because I do think I do think he's he's fine.
Speaker 6: I think he can do whatever.
Speaker 5: But I'm curious of, like moving forward with how we
Speaker 5: look at DT I'm trying to look at who they're
Speaker 5: paired with, who's playing next to them, because it does
Speaker 5: dictate Dick.
Speaker 3: The end of the future, or on their college I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: On their college tape, how they perform.
Speaker 2: I just a little bit of concern there because Byron
Speaker 2: Murphy was so good next to him.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's so much concern.
Speaker 5: I just think it's something you have to consider, is
Speaker 5: that the other gentleman next to the other gentleman. It's
Speaker 5: the same plying we talked about it last year. Even
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, it's like, yeah, I mean, I see
Speaker 5: osa Osa can win one on ones. But a lot
Speaker 5: of the time it's because people are doubling Micah's because
Speaker 5: they're doing it draws attention. So I'm just I'm only
Speaker 5: asking not because of him in particular, I'm talking about
Speaker 5: in general, because when I look at even some of
Speaker 5: these other DT's, I'm over here like, well, who's your friend,
Speaker 5: who's your.
Speaker 6: Friend next to you? Because baby, that's the reason why
Speaker 6: you get into play free like this.
Speaker 5: So anyway, that was just a question I had. How
Speaker 5: important is that to y'all to consider who they're playing
Speaker 5: next to you.
Speaker 2: I think it plays a factor because even in the
Speaker 2: film that you get to see, yes you will see
Speaker 2: one on ones, and both of these guys went one
Speaker 2: on one. They didn't get double teamed a ton in college.
Speaker 2: But I think it does play a factor because ultimately,
Speaker 2: the guys that you're playing around do elevate your game
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. Uh. I'm not worried about these guys,
Speaker 2: especially whenever you've got the B role that we were
Speaker 2: just watching from Senior Bowl. When you're seeing one on
Speaker 2: ones won by Devondre Sweat, Uh, that's that's pure strength
Speaker 2: and skill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess more, less so who they're they're playing alongside.
Speaker 3: I guess what I would look at more because I
Speaker 3: think that'll show up on tape. Regardless of having to
Speaker 3: ask that question. I think when you see the tape,
Speaker 3: you'll be able to spot. Okay, like he I mean
Speaker 3: he's getting favorable matchups here? How much is he just
Speaker 3: taking advantage of a lesser tackle or whatever else? Because
Speaker 3: there's a tension over here. Those are those sorts of things. More,
Speaker 3: what I would wonder is like, if you see someone
Speaker 3: on tape, it's like, okay, they're they're mainly playing inside,
Speaker 3: or like like if you're talking about defensive backs, for instance,
Speaker 3: you're seeing a corner that's mainly playing inside, or you know,
Speaker 3: it appears that well, I've got a lot of tape
Speaker 3: of them playing man, but there's not a lot of
Speaker 3: them playing zone or whatever. So those are more things
Speaker 3: where I go like, Okay, are you niche and we
Speaker 3: just don't know it because we haven't been able.
Speaker 2: To see unutilized Yeah, in certain ways. How do you
Speaker 2: feel like sweat has been utilized?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, I think that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're fine.
Speaker 5: I think they're fine. I guess I'm asking because I'm
Speaker 5: looking at even like this Cowboys roster and these dts
Speaker 5: and how things are with them, and I think we've
Speaker 5: seen that different guys perform better when they're next to
Speaker 5: certain guys or if there's another guy that's there. So
Speaker 5: I just I just think the name where your DT
Speaker 5: room matters when you're talking about bringing in like a sweat,
Speaker 5: because I think he's gonna thrive regardless.
Speaker 6: But I just I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm tripping.
Speaker 3: I'm curious how early not to shoot the wheels out here,
Speaker 3: but how early would you with them taking a defensive
Speaker 3: tackle potentially signal to you maybe they're not as comfortable
Speaker 3: with Mazi as they're probically said. So just first, if
Speaker 3: they went second would a depth.
Speaker 2: Or I don't think that bothers me? Does it? Would
Speaker 2: it bother you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just first round would be interesting
Speaker 2: if they went first round defensive tackle, that says we
Speaker 2: are concerned about Mazi and what he can bring in
Speaker 2: the future because going back to back like that on
Speaker 2: a specific position, because you're not going to draft a
Speaker 2: three tech in the first round and expect it to
Speaker 2: be a three tech unless I guess you can move
Speaker 2: Mazi with all the weight that he's lost to a
Speaker 2: three tech. You can maybe do that. But if you're
Speaker 2: taking a true nose tackle, run stuff of stuffing defender
Speaker 2: for the second straight year inside the mid twenties, I
Speaker 2: think that's a problem. But if you do it in
Speaker 2: the second you're just investing in a run defense.
Speaker 5: As someone that wants them to address that position.
Speaker 6: More so with proven.
Speaker 5: Talent, like in free agency, I don't know, given, because
Speaker 5: take a second, what is your DT room right now?
Speaker 10: What is it? You don't know?
Speaker 6: If Ankas is coming back, you don't know.
Speaker 5: Like obviously Masi is Osa, Mazzi, Chauncey Golst is probably
Speaker 5: gonna get kicked.
Speaker 6: Back out to edge.
Speaker 5: But because respectfully zim has can look at him as
Speaker 5: he's ding.
Speaker 6: I just Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 5: They incentivized almost his whole contract this whole season, so it's.
Speaker 3: Free as a free agent.
Speaker 5: So I ask you, what the hell is your D
Speaker 5: tackle room right now? To where taking somebody high is
Speaker 5: Like I'm super concerned.
Speaker 6: I would be more concerned.
Speaker 5: If they didn't touch I guess if they take a
Speaker 5: free agent, if they take if they draft a guy
Speaker 5: and they don't touch free agency with DT, I'm a
Speaker 5: little more so.
Speaker 6: Like, Okay, what the heck is going on? I don't know,
Speaker 6: or the other way around.
Speaker 3: I mean, ohso Diggie Zoo is not going to be
Speaker 3: a run stopping one technique exactly, and so so Osa
Speaker 3: has already got one spot. So I think that, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you're taking one in the first round, that is
Speaker 3: a run stopping defensive tackle. To me, that is such
Speaker 3: a niche, narrow position that you're addressing when you already
Speaker 3: dressed in the first round last year. To me, it's like,
Speaker 3: you don't just draft depth in the first round, and
Speaker 3: so I would that's why your line of thinking is
Speaker 3: why it doesn't concern me if they took them the
Speaker 3: second or the third or something like that, because you
Speaker 3: know with how frequent defensive line rotations are in this
Speaker 3: day and age too, And I got to go back
Speaker 3: and look and see how much ZIM was rotating guys
Speaker 3: in Minnesota the last couple of letters did. And so
Speaker 3: because of that aspect of it, it wouldn't concern me
Speaker 3: day two, day three if they went for depth. But
Speaker 3: if you're saying, like, hey, our biggest piece of draft capital,
Speaker 3: we're going to commit to this fairly narrow focus on
Speaker 3: the defense, and it's the same investment we made last year,
Speaker 3: that would be a little that that would make me
Speaker 3: think that their true beliefs aren't necessarily matching up with
Speaker 3: their public messaging.
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: Fair, I mean, or again they might be trying to
Speaker 5: pair How we saw the commanders do to me is
Speaker 5: where they was like.
Speaker 6: We don't care. We're going to use important picks to
Speaker 6: get in the middle.
Speaker 5: Of our defense the way that we needed to be
Speaker 5: and it did a working out with but it don't
Speaker 5: always work out for everyone.
Speaker 6: But I mean, yeah, I would be like what the heck?
Speaker 5: But I would be more more like what the heck
Speaker 5: if they didn't touch it at all, and even in
Speaker 5: free agency, because you don't have the luxury to just
Speaker 5: look at what you have now and be like, we're good.
Speaker 6: We're all right.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 2: To finish the second half of our final Twitter on
Speaker 2: the Twitter questions, what are on the Twitter yet? Twitter
Speaker 2: on the junior Colson Michigan, Tyron Hopper from Missouri and
Speaker 2: Edgeran Cooper from Texas, And in which out of those
Speaker 2: three guys those are all the formals at linebackers so far?
Speaker 2: Which one of those guys do you like the best?
Speaker 3: So Colson, Cooper? And what was the other one?
Speaker 2: Hopper?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I've not watched Hopper yet, Coulson. I have
Speaker 3: Colson a little ahead of Cooper just a little bit.
Speaker 6: I watched Hopper last night.
Speaker 2: I flipped them last night. I mean they're right there now, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: they're touching tags already. They were touching tags before last night,
Speaker 2: and there still are to me, but I now have
Speaker 2: Cooper ahead of Coulson. But I love Colson. I think
Speaker 2: both those guys are great players, are both second round
Speaker 2: high second round grades for me.
Speaker 5: I think is uh is edging a little longer? Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: I think that's what stands out.
Speaker 2: Then you've got Colson who's a little bit more built.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, GLSEN's got twenty pounds on Coopering like that.
Speaker 3: I just I mean the I love the way edge
Speaker 3: Cooper plays is just the thing to me.
Speaker 10: He the.
Speaker 3: The way he sees it and gets after it, and
Speaker 3: the way he uses that length, and the way that
Speaker 3: he's able to get off of blocks and not just
Speaker 3: you know, run around him or whatever else. I really
Speaker 3: really like him and think that he'd be a big
Speaker 3: positive for them in their linebacker corps. How you said
Speaker 3: you wanted to you want to do address defensive tackle
Speaker 3: and free agency, I think I would definitely feel more
Speaker 3: comfortable with one of the starters they get a linebacker
Speaker 3: is from free agency, Like I want to get a
Speaker 3: veteran that I know like sees it, sees it and
Speaker 3: reads it and reacts the right kind of way. That's
Speaker 3: what I would want to address some pre agency because
Speaker 3: it is so much of a crapshoot at times with
Speaker 3: linebackers coming out of the draft in terms of how
Speaker 3: quickly they see it, process it, and react to it.
Speaker 2: Would you be okay pairing a rookie with a veteran
Speaker 2: and having both guys, I know, that'd be a perfect
Speaker 2: scenario for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's completely fine with me.
Speaker 2: I agree with you completely. If you're starting a guy
Speaker 2: a linebacker, I want him to be a veteran. I
Speaker 2: want him to have been there, done that scene, everything
Speaker 2: to a certain extent. Whereas Drian Cooper he brings such
Speaker 2: an upside that you want to pair him. I mean,
Speaker 2: think about late vander esh had Sean Lee. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Sean Lee had individuals to learn with all the way
Speaker 2: through too, So same thing with bringing in a linebacker.
Speaker 2: Who are they going to learn from?
Speaker 3: This room needs this room needs you need of it.
Speaker 5: They do need that, and I would feel more comfortable
Speaker 5: too if they addressed it in free agency as well.
Speaker 5: But I do want to ask you guys, if they
Speaker 5: addressed it in free agency, do they take one of
Speaker 5: these linebackers later? Then you could would I don't think
Speaker 5: they would feel the pressure or you know, to have
Speaker 5: to take a guy higher the second or you know,
Speaker 5: because there are some later round, later round guys that
Speaker 5: could come in and be pretty good linebackers for them
Speaker 5: if they pair with a veteran.
Speaker 3: They've got a pretty extensive history of, regardless of need,
Speaker 3: taking linebackers, Like I mean, whether it be like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to look here now, there was a stretch there
Speaker 3: where I think twenty and twenty and nineteen they didn't
Speaker 3: take linebackers, But if you look before then, it was
Speaker 3: some insane run of like eighteen of twenty drafts they
Speaker 3: took a linebacker somewhere now, And it's because, I mean
Speaker 3: a lot of times you get guys who are contributing
Speaker 3: on special teams and are you know, just depth guys
Speaker 3: at the linebacker position and do different things. And so
Speaker 3: I would guess, regardless of how they address it in
Speaker 3: free agency, they're taking a linebacker somewhere. And they're still
Speaker 3: really really high on Tomorrow Overshown, and I think that
Speaker 3: Overshown being a guy that they really believe in paired
Speaker 3: with Nick had thrown it out there during his mock
Speaker 3: off season you get Aziz Al Shaier and Marvin Overshown,
Speaker 3: and you've got Damon Clark working in there, and however
Speaker 3: much you want to bring Marky Spell into the box.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that was more of a dan
Speaker 3: Quin philosophy that Mike Zimmer may not ascribe to. The
Speaker 3: way Stephen talked to the Combin the other day made
Speaker 3: it sound like Micah could be more involved playing straight linebacker,
Speaker 3: and so I believe that, you know. But I think
Speaker 3: if you're telling me Veteran and Demarvian Overshown as kind
Speaker 3: of your core at linebacker, then I feel pretty good
Speaker 3: about that relative to what you're going to do in
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 2: From twenty nine to twenty sixteen, they took a linebacker
Speaker 2: in every single draft, yep.
Speaker 3: And then what is it the last three years they've
Speaker 3: taken one.
Speaker 2: They've taken at least one. They had Covington in eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 3: You know, they've taken light. They've taken five linebackers in
Speaker 3: the last three drafts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still need winebacker. Yeah, still got to
Speaker 2: find a way to get it done, all right, when
Speaker 2: we come back. It's not for some tell me more
Speaker 2: who have aisha and Bobby been watching this week and
Speaker 2: who do they have their eyes on going into the
Speaker 2: remainder of the NFL combine. We wrap up the Draft
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Speaker 2: Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Let's talk about some tell
Speaker 2: me more scouting reports over players, and we haven't necessarily
Speaker 2: had a chance to talk about much on the show.
Speaker 3: I shall let you start. Who you got?
Speaker 5: I have a gentleman that they did of for more with.
Speaker 5: I want to tell you more about Nate Wiggins, cornerback
Speaker 5: out of Clemson.
Speaker 6: This is a young player, very young player. He's a nugget.
Speaker 5: Uh he's six, pronominantly plays outside.
Speaker 6: I said, uh.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, he flipped the script.
Speaker 6: I said that he uh he.
Speaker 5: Likes I think I like his zone technique more than
Speaker 5: I like press. I think zone allows him to read
Speaker 5: and react and he's this is a heady player. You
Speaker 5: can almost see him thinking things through before they happen.
Speaker 5: He thrives there. I said, uh, yeah, the diagnos and
Speaker 5: recognition stand out. He used the boundary. Well, the boundary
Speaker 5: is his friend. Again, that takes awareness from a player.
Speaker 5: He's fluid, but he's not super fluid, and he doesn't
Speaker 5: have a whole bunch of burst. But I think he
Speaker 5: knows his athletic limitations. I think he knows what he's
Speaker 5: capable of and what he's not capable of. And that's
Speaker 5: why he is more so this heady guy that can
Speaker 5: you know, make plays. Again, look at me, just a nugging.
Speaker 2: What makes you say that about how he did you
Speaker 2: just see that from film study on terms in terms
Speaker 2: of IQ in the way.
Speaker 13: That he knows?
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I think you can watch a player and
Speaker 5: their decision making and you know that they know, like
Speaker 5: I can't cut too far out here, why I can't
Speaker 5: backpeddle too much here because I don't have the recovery
Speaker 5: speed to drive on this ball.
Speaker 6: And I think that he again that.
Speaker 5: The lack of I think he's athletic, but he's not
Speaker 5: just like this crazy athlete. But I think he understands that.
Speaker 5: So he's in his playbook far more than everybody else,
Speaker 5: so he can read it and recognize it and be
Speaker 5: there a little bit quicker. I think the run defense
Speaker 5: can improve, and some of the tackling. As you see,
Speaker 5: he is a dido, he's not super big. I think
Speaker 5: he might thrive in the slot, to be honest, depending
Speaker 5: on how he decided to use him. When he knows,
Speaker 5: he knows. It's what I said, is when he knows,
Speaker 5: he knows, and he goes after it. And that's why
Speaker 5: he's able to make plays on the ball and do
Speaker 5: some things like that. So yeah, he times up his finish,
Speaker 5: he times up when he decides to rotate or fight
Speaker 5: to the ball as well. I like the player definitely.
Speaker 5: Maybe people might be concerned about some of his he's
Speaker 5: just very lean. He's not he's just not super muscular.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna again, he's not gonna do a lot
Speaker 5: in the run game support as of right now. But
Speaker 5: still from a cover's perspective, especially tap of his own schame,
Speaker 5: I think he could be a dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really like it. He obviously is
Speaker 3: very lanky, very lanky. He's not quite a manual Forbes
Speaker 3: lanky and.
Speaker 2: This is twenty pounds on Forbes.
Speaker 3: Still yeah, I mean, yeah, Forbes weighed one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty pounds or whatever he was. But I mean this
Speaker 3: was a a this was a staff that liked Emmanuel
Speaker 3: Forbes a lot. So so I don't know that that
Speaker 3: being lanky is necessarily going to be a big problem
Speaker 3: from I'll say, it's so easy, I think to draw
Speaker 3: comparisons to guys that you see week in and week out,
Speaker 3: And while he's not got nearly the thickness that Diggs
Speaker 3: had coming out, I think there's a lot of Digs
Speaker 3: like quality to his game. Yeah, he's a guy who
Speaker 3: he absolutely loves to gamble and trying to bait guys,
Speaker 3: and he's got similar type of length. One of the
Speaker 3: things we know about Mike Zimmer's length is going to
Speaker 3: be something that's important him at the corner position, something
Speaker 3: that's been consistent with Chris or Chard and you know,
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn and then Will mcclace's you know, scouting parameters
Speaker 3: for a long time has been corners with length and
Speaker 3: that they want that. And I think that when you
Speaker 3: see him in the way that he uses his length
Speaker 3: and press and the way that he plays the ball.
Speaker 3: If he can fill out a little bit and maybe
Speaker 3: get a little more disciplined and not take so many risks,
Speaker 3: I think that Nate Wiggins can be. Really He's one
Speaker 3: of my two corners that I have graded in the first.
Speaker 6: And he's he's young. He's a young player, so he's
Speaker 6: still still raw.
Speaker 5: So you have the opportunity to coach him up how
Speaker 5: you see fit and things like that. But he has
Speaker 5: a lot of traits that I think people will will
Speaker 5: enjoy because sometimes you want a guy that's gonna gamble sometimes,
Speaker 5: And we also saw it even with Trayvon. To your point,
Speaker 5: he did improve and run defense. It wasn't always perfect pretty,
Speaker 5: but he showed a willingness as he got a little
Speaker 5: bit bigger and got later.
Speaker 6: Into you know, his time here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you like a guy that would be
Speaker 2: willing to gamble, Well, he would be unable to gamble
Speaker 2: in certain states across the country until after training camp
Speaker 2: because he doesn't turn twenty one until.
Speaker 6: After training told you he's a nugget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's twenty years old, so he will turn twenty
Speaker 2: one on August twenty eighth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so a guy who still has a ceiling
Speaker 3: to be reached, I think. But the skill set, the traits,
Speaker 3: they're they're all there to be a top tier corner
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: And so you've got a first round grade on him,
Speaker 2: you do too, Ayisha, Maybe.
Speaker 3: First round grade corner two, quarner two.
Speaker 2: Who's corner one?
Speaker 3: Terry Arnold?
Speaker 5: It's Arnold, Terry Arnold.
Speaker 6: Some egg gonna make him a safety?
Speaker 11: Ain't thing.
Speaker 3: I mean somebody might try. But I mean he's he's
Speaker 3: I think he's a really good too.
Speaker 6: I haven't give him a full full set.
Speaker 5: I still, you know, I gotta get all the humans
Speaker 5: and then I could stay. I got to watch.
Speaker 3: Getting the humans is important for you.
Speaker 6: Gotta get them.
Speaker 2: I got three of them this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see, I mean nobody knows that more than Kyle.
Speaker 2: All right, Bobby, who you've been watching?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: So I was.
Speaker 3: I was very interested after hearing Eric Galco really heap
Speaker 3: a lot of praise onto Isaiah Williams from Illinois. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was really interested him, especially in a class that's
Speaker 3: as deep as it is for the receiver class. I
Speaker 3: mean I've already run through, you know, in the one
Speaker 3: hundred players I've done it's like seventeen of them are
Speaker 3: receivers at this point, and so it's a very deep
Speaker 3: and strong class. And man, I think Isaiah Williams is
Speaker 3: really interesting. He had a big week at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 3: Five nine eighty four pounds, slot specific type of guy.
Speaker 3: But this is a converted quarterback. He was a quarterback
Speaker 3: his first couple of years at Illinois, made the position
Speaker 3: change over to receiver, had a thousand yard season last
Speaker 3: year for them before declaring for the draft. Can contribute
Speaker 3: in the return game. To me, I see a guy
Speaker 3: who separation comes really easily for him. Now when he
Speaker 3: doesn't have the separation. The lack of size does cause
Speaker 3: him trouble on contested catches and things like that, but
Speaker 3: those are those are size limitations. It's not a competitiveness
Speaker 3: toughness thing. He is a competitive football player. I think
Speaker 3: the speed, the ability to stop start, the acceleration is
Speaker 3: really impressive. I think the athletic ability that he shows
Speaker 3: when he's adjusting to the ball, the body adjustments, the catches.
Speaker 3: You know, it seems that there's still room to grow
Speaker 3: as a young player at the position. Because he played
Speaker 3: quarterback at high school. Was I believe like the Gatorade
Speaker 3: Player of the Year in Missouri is a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: But is somebody who I think has a ton of
Speaker 3: upside and will be in Indie this week and I'm
Speaker 3: really interested to see how he tests, how he weighs in.
Speaker 3: But that's a guy who I think has a ton
Speaker 3: of upside.
Speaker 2: They have him listed and this is not Indie's stuff,
Speaker 2: this is just Internet five four. He's little, that's a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: He is little. He's not playing outside heavy. Now, Illinois
Speaker 3: did play him outside some. They were willing to do
Speaker 3: that at the NFL level and specifically with the way
Speaker 3: I know, you know Mike McCarthy has treated smaller slot
Speaker 3: guy or smaller plays before. I think that this would
Speaker 3: be a slot specific type of player. Probably for four
Speaker 3: ish speed, Yeah, yeah, I think so, probably four Now.
Speaker 3: It's always a little it's always a little tricky when
Speaker 3: you're eye testing it with these guys because you see
Speaker 3: that when they got those quick little feed and they
Speaker 3: show that acceleration and they show some of the agility
Speaker 3: and the quickness, it can can sometimes lull you into
Speaker 3: a bed. I mean, I think he definitely has the
Speaker 3: long speit. He reminds me a little bit guy who
Speaker 3: didn't work out at the NFL level, but as a prospect,
Speaker 3: reminds me a little Kiki KOOTI. Oh, he's coming out
Speaker 3: of Texas Tech.
Speaker 5: Who's I don't know who Kiki is.
Speaker 2: You don't remember that song was made.
Speaker 3: Luffkin product. Luffkin product, Buddy, it does brun he was.
Speaker 2: He was nasty.
Speaker 6: I look at him.
Speaker 5: I've never heard that name before, but no, you brought
Speaker 5: up I think if I'm not mistaken Isaiah last year
Speaker 5: in twenty two he let the FBS and FBS.
Speaker 3: In receptions, he's I mean, he's he was somebody who
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was the look at that
Speaker 3: being Bamber got a b roll that guy that we're
Speaker 3: just talking about. That That right there is why I
Speaker 3: am responsible for the twitter on the twenty miss is
Speaker 3: because I was like, hey, do we have Isaiah Williams.
Speaker 3: And Beam was like, oh my gosh, let me cut
Speaker 3: it up. Hold on, and so Beam knocks it out.
Speaker 3: He's got graphics on there and everything. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he led the FBS. He was
Speaker 3: eighty two receptions, seven hundred and fifteen yards as a
Speaker 3: sophomore last year was eighty two, twenty fifty five, it
Speaker 3: was five touchdowns. He's to me is like I said,
Speaker 3: it's it's going to be slots specific. But you talk
Speaker 3: about run after the catchability, joystick type player. Somebody who
Speaker 3: shows competitive toughness over the middle of the field isn't
Speaker 3: afraid to go over there. It has some size limitations.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's going to be natural for a guy that
Speaker 3: is his size. But I think that everything you want
Speaker 3: in terms of his makeup and that toughness on the
Speaker 3: field is there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, should have added context at some point in time.
Speaker 5: He is im poortant time during the season, and twenty
Speaker 5: two he let the fish now here.
Speaker 3: Now Here's one thing that's going to probably make fundamental
Speaker 3: coaching on the special team side a little sick. He
Speaker 3: did muff three punts this year.
Speaker 2: It's not great, I mean, but by the way he finished, uh,
Speaker 2: what is this sixteenth in receptions this year, so he
Speaker 2: was top twenty in the FBS in terms of receptions.
Speaker 6: I will say we've talked about it the last couple
Speaker 6: of years.
Speaker 5: Is what keep an eye on Illinois man Like they seem.
Speaker 3: Like they turn out prospects Illinois. Illinois put out Kirby
Speaker 3: Joseph a couple of years ago. They've got Witherspoon, They've
Speaker 3: got some guys this year. I mean they've they've done
Speaker 3: a good job building up that program from one that was,
Speaker 3: you know, a little down for a while. But I
Speaker 3: mean I think that, you know, Brent Bilima has done
Speaker 3: a good job building that back up over there in Illinois.
Speaker 5: That's a tough conference to win in some of the
Speaker 5: attitude too. When you look at when you watch Missouri players.
Speaker 6: You'd be like, he do far off the change like
Speaker 6: they I feel like that about some of the Illinois
Speaker 6: players as well.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know what it is about them,
Speaker 5: but they just have that chip on their shoulder that
Speaker 5: they play with and their edgy Like you said.
Speaker 6: Is like, even though this guy is.
Speaker 5: Small, don't be worried about him being scared to catch
Speaker 5: a ball over the middle.
Speaker 6: He's not scared.
Speaker 3: He's not a friend. It definitely limits him at times.
Speaker 3: There are times where you see that his physicality, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's I mean on contested catches. When I was watching him,
Speaker 3: you definitely see that at times he has trouble finishing.
Speaker 3: But again, it's not a lack of competitive toughness. It
Speaker 3: is just physical limitations that exist. You know, there's no
Speaker 3: perfect prospect. We're not talking about a Round one guy here.
Speaker 3: We're talking about somebody who definitely has some limitations, but
Speaker 3: is somebody who I think impressed a lot of people
Speaker 3: at Shrine Bowl and the ceiling that he still can
Speaker 3: potentially achieve is somebody who's still learning to become a
Speaker 3: more crisp and precise route runner. As a guy who
Speaker 3: played quarterback previously, I think that he's very intriguing.
Speaker 2: I had him highlighted in my Shrine Bowl notes on my.
Speaker 6: Roster, but I was like, hey, that's that is him?
Speaker 2: That was still there? You thinking day three, early day three,
Speaker 2: something like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, day three, Yeah, maybe. So there was a lot
Speaker 3: of chatter, uh. I know when I first started looking
Speaker 3: into him, it looked like a lot of the chatter
Speaker 3: was saying late day three. But it looks like there's
Speaker 3: starting to be more of a build towards like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's somebody who could sneak in the early day three.
Speaker 3: It'd be like Round four kind of guys. It's so
Speaker 3: tough to tell because of how deep the receiver class is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of guys got to go before him,
Speaker 2: small the unfortunate.
Speaker 5: Today, I'm gonna have to stand out the smaller guys
Speaker 5: because you know, wide receivers are giant humans in this season,
Speaker 5: like it's.
Speaker 6: Like, well, back to normal.
Speaker 2: Small receivers are there, they're people too, and have success
Speaker 2: with them all right. On Thursday or on Tuesday, we'll
Speaker 2: have Brian brought us back from spring training. We'll check
Speaker 2: back in with Bobby Ayisha Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 2: But that's going to do it for us here on
Speaker 2: this edition of the Draft. Oh, Nick Harris will be
Speaker 2: back from Indianapolis. Do you have the fomo of not
Speaker 2: being out there?
Speaker 5: I know, yes, I do.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 5: Mean, it was such a it's just nothing like that experience.
Speaker 5: And I was real wide at too.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, this is this is what radio
Speaker 6: roade feels like.
Speaker 2: This is what driving to Andy Tomorrow's I say, are
Speaker 2: you going you're road tripping? Yep?
Speaker 3: Driving up there solo. I've got a fourteen hour Spotify
Speaker 3: playlist ready to go. What's on it? A bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like it's a huge cross section of you know,
Speaker 3: rap and pop and alternative rock and everything else.
Speaker 2: The first song on there that's a good question.
Speaker 3: I think it's the nineteen seventy five. Oh okay, yes, no,
Speaker 3: it's a band. Yeah, it's the nineteen seventy five Sincerity Scary.
Speaker 2: Nice any Creed on there? No, there's not two live crew.
Speaker 3: Now there's no two live crew either, Bamber, Are you
Speaker 3: not Creed? I mean I can add it on there.
Speaker 3: Creed was fine back in the day, and I met
Speaker 3: a resurgence lately, which is yeah, thanks to the world
Speaker 3: champion Texas, right darn right, you know. But like you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like if I'm going combine relate, if I
Speaker 3: was driving a spring training that would be.
Speaker 2: Listening that you'd be Creed the whole way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, going going out to combine. Well, you gotta
Speaker 3: change it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: I will say that eighties music is it does something
Speaker 5: to my like late eighties music does something to my brain,
Speaker 5: and it makes me calm.
Speaker 3: Okay, calm, Remember that makes me want to dance.
Speaker 6: It makes me want to dance. But it just feels
Speaker 6: like you time travel in a way.
Speaker 3: You got jokes, that's safety dance.
Speaker 2: Just love it.
Speaker 5: Like some of my eighties music.
Speaker 2: Eighties music is great. There's nothing wrong with eighties music.
Speaker 5: I keep trying not to sing so we don't get No, please.
Speaker 4: Go for it.
Speaker 6: No, I can't.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. We'll see you guys on Tuesday. Back
Speaker 2: with the Draft show coming up next week for Chris
Speaker 2: being Bobby Belt, for Ayisha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yomen saying
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