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Speaker 2: Today is a leap day, Thursday, February twenty ninth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, and we are officially fifty six days away

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. Welcome into the

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Speaker 2: Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte a taste you can

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Speaker 2: depend on. We've got the NFL Combine to break down

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Speaker 2: media availability kicking off yesterday, and plenty of news and

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Speaker 2: we continue to lead you into NFL Draft process twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Today, we've got Aisha Morrison, Bobby Belton then

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Speaker 2: live from Indianapolis. Here in a couple of moments, We've

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Speaker 2: got Nick Harris out there from Radio Row. I'm Kyle Yeomens,

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Speaker 2: Chris Beaman the back, and Bobby. This is always a

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Speaker 2: fun time of year because this is really where the

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Speaker 2: information starts to gather. You've got all of the scouting,

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Speaker 2: all of the film, and all of the gathering of

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Speaker 2: information initially. Now you get to share that information.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the super Bowl of the off season. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not just because of what it is for the draft,

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Speaker 3: but naturally you get all these powerful decision makers out there.

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Speaker 3: Gives them a chance to, hey, let's check in before

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Speaker 3: free agency, let's talk about trades, let's do some different things.

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Speaker 3: So to me, this is the pinnacle of the NFL offseason,

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Speaker 3: even though it hasn't officially gotten underway yet. This week

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Speaker 3: whether it be in the meetings, on the whiteboard, when

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Speaker 3: you see their testing, it's just a it's a great

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Speaker 3: week where I think everything sort of starts to come

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Speaker 3: into form for the NFL off season.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how quickly it got here. Please, I felt

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Speaker 2: like yesterday we were watching the Chiefs play the forty

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it does go back quick and before we know it,

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Speaker 5: it'll be I mean, right after combine it's free agency.

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Speaker 5: So to your point, Bobby, it does start to get real.

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Speaker 5: It starts you start to really feel like what happens

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Speaker 5: in this next few months it does impact next season.

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Speaker 5: So in regards to the combine, it's it's about that

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Speaker 5: time for these guys too. This is what I said

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Speaker 5: on our show. It's one of the few times in

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Speaker 5: the NFL that you will get to display what you

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Speaker 5: can do as an individual, and so I think it's

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Speaker 5: important for these guys to come out and perform.

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Speaker 2: That is interesting because it is a team game. That

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Speaker 2: always is a team game, but the NFL Draft is

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Speaker 2: very individualistic, and so is the combine. The one time

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Speaker 2: where you are the microscope and under the microscope, so

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Speaker 2: scrutinized all the way across the league, both from a

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, these interviews are super important as well. I mean

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Speaker 5: sometimes that I learned that last year being down there

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Speaker 5: with y'all. It's just you hear little whispers about interviews

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Speaker 5: especially because we can start really putting our boards together

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Speaker 5: because those medicals and things kind of add clarity as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I mean, this right here is just

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Speaker 3: from the perspective of like I remember years ago when

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so much fun and you've got some great

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that and the first thing I

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Speaker 3: you know what? Yeah, like, do you do you know

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Speaker 3: Great talking to you. That can be an informal like

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Speaker 3: it's that the Cowboys, I think, recognize that, hey, middle

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Speaker 3: that that's one of the things that you start to

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean that's what I took from it

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Speaker 6: So I thought that was important that you guys clarified that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, bod Yeah, because formals, like you said, you're

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Speaker 2: with position groups. That's why we've heard a lot of

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Speaker 2: because the first position groups have been deficient. Right. But

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Speaker 6: Ba's how it looks. That's what it looks like sometimes.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, look at it from this perspective. One

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Speaker 3: I think they definitely want they want some more toughness.

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Speaker 3: I think they want some more cerebral football players this

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Speaker 3: It didn't work out well for the Eagles a couple

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Speaker 3: I think to them forming a lot of their opinions

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Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie. It's a little weird not

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Speaker 2: being out in Indianapolis this week, but we do have

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Speaker 2: Nick looking great, by the way, you don't look tired

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Speaker 2: at all. You look like you've had a week full

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Speaker 2: of reporting. You look like you've had a week full

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Speaker 2: of information. What's been the biggest standout piece of info

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just another day, another dollar. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: been really fun out here in Indianapolis. My first time

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Speaker 7: you got the combine. I think probably a couple of

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Speaker 7: the biggest nuggets that I've been able to take away

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Speaker 7: from these first couple of days of media availabilities. We

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Speaker 7: could start with yesterday defensive tackles to five formal interviews

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Speaker 7: this week to Andre Swi out of Texas, McKinley Jackson

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Speaker 7: then also today they're looking at a couple of high

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Speaker 7: and I wake Forest is Kayln Carson a formal interview

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Speaker 7: with him, Georgia Corner Kamari Lasseter. You know, I've talked

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Speaker 7: about him as potentially being a fun Jordan Lewis replacement

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Speaker 7: if they are able to if they're not able to

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Speaker 7: they're looking at some of those day one, day two

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Speaker 7: at least for me, I'm starting to take more seriously

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Speaker 7: as we look at draft needs coming out of free agency.

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Speaker 2: It seems like that might be a sneaky need.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, Nick, do you when you see them meeting

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Speaker 3: having formal interviews like that, do you think that's indicative

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Speaker 3: of any potential vulnerability of like, hey, Stefan Gilmore is

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Speaker 8: The room is developed.

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Speaker 2: So we've already hit a little bit of how important

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Speaker 2: All right, what does your schedule look like as you

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Speaker 2: What's one question, Bobby that he needs to ask Will McClay.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's a good question. How much are

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I got you, Bobby, I'll throw that in for

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Speaker 2: I want you to ask what does the all in

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Speaker 2: we really appreciate it. You could keep up to date

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Speaker 2: Harris DC on Twitter, you've done phenomenal work all week long.

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Speaker 2: Keep it rolling. It certainly makes us feel like we're

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Speaker 8: Thanks fellas, willis here. I got a run.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go go go sounds good there, he goes, Nick

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Speaker 3: He's been running all day. He really has ran on

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Speaker 6: That's how you were when I was signing you out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, it's for Rochio.

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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show.

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Speaker 2: Back here on the Draft Show. Fifty six days away

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, NFL combine going on in Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: and plenty of news and notes to share, but we

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Speaker 2: continue into that news and notes with some I heard

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Speaker 2: it it was back there. Yeah, I pushed it was Twitter.

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Speaker 3: On Twitter on the twenty there. All right.

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Speaker 2: First question comes from Maxwell on the Beamer's doing a lot.

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Speaker 3: That was actually my fault that that was missed after

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Speaker 3: I just threw a name at during the break, So

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Speaker 3: that's actually my fault.

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Speaker 2: If Beam is able to cut the b roll, well,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about it in the third segment, but we're

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Speaker 2: pulling a player up here as we speak. All right,

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Speaker 2: Maxwell asked, He said, I remember last year specifically saying

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Speaker 2: that the Cowboys liked Mozzie Smith early in last year's

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Speaker 2: draft process. Are there any guys right now that you

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Speaker 2: know the Cowboys like this time around?

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Speaker 3: That is a great question because I think just from

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Speaker 3: so the formals are going to be a great indication

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Speaker 3: of that. But I think in terms of if you

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Speaker 3: look at formals matching up with tape need and some

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Speaker 3: of the rumblings you hear about how they've I do

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Speaker 3: think that Edge Cooper from Texas A and M is

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Speaker 3: a guy that they like. Yeah, And I think that

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Speaker 3: that's somebody who absolutely if in the second round they're

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Speaker 3: pick as sitting there and he's on the board, I

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Speaker 3: mean they're not going to take a linebacker in the

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Speaker 3: first round, I wouldn't think. I don't think there's one

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Speaker 3: up there, But assuming that has not been dealt with yet,

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Speaker 3: I think that Edge Cooper would be high on the

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Speaker 3: list of guys that they would be intrigued by in

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Speaker 3: the second round. But that's somebody that I know. There

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Speaker 3: are fans of his around here, and so that's one

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Speaker 3: that I think stands out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Darius Mussau UCLA linebacker. I think some

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Speaker 5: of the things he did at the Shrine Bowl, and

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Speaker 5: because there were so many of the Cowboys folks down here,

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Speaker 5: it's multiple as getting on this kid. I do think

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Speaker 5: that he's one of those guys that if he's there,

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Speaker 5: then it's kind of feels like he's He's somebody they

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Speaker 5: would be looking at.

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Speaker 6: To bring in.

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Speaker 2: That was the first name I thought of.

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Speaker 5: Whenever I saw that question, is I'm stealing?

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Speaker 2: No? That was great. No, I mean that just doubles

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Speaker 2: down really what we've been hearing. I think the early

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Speaker 2: name for me might be Tyler Geyton out of Oklahoma.

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Speaker 6: Because you keep seeing a lots here.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something to that. I think they really

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Speaker 2: like Tyler, and I think they like the fact that

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Speaker 2: he brings youth and a little bit of experience too,

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Speaker 2: because he's played in a significant amount of games. He's

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Speaker 2: played significant snaps, at least from a collegiate standpoint for

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Speaker 2: a guy that's his age going into the NFL.

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Speaker 3: They like monster sized Tyler offensive lineman from Oklahoma. I

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Speaker 3: like that's kind of their niche.

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Speaker 5: I will say that hate him paired with Tyler.

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Speaker 6: I definitely thought about it too. I thought about it too.

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Speaker 5: I'm just like Tulsa, Oh you we got Tyler Smith

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Speaker 5: at home?

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Speaker 12: Liked he literally just added a twin another one, like

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Speaker 12: I mean, honestly, if you look at something like the

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Speaker 12: stuff in his scouting report too, it looks kind of

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Speaker 12: like Tyler Smith.

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Speaker 3: They're still raw as some issues with footwork and technique

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Speaker 3: gets strong as hell.

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Speaker 6: That's literally what I wrote down.

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Speaker 5: I said, we got Tylers Smith at home. You like

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Speaker 5: your mom would be like, we got McDonald's at home anyway.

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Speaker 2: See, but the McDonald's at home is never really as good,

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Speaker 2: not really as good unless it's cooked up and it's

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Speaker 2: ready to go. But usually when you're saying we've got

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Speaker 2: McDonald's at home, that means you're eating something up in

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Speaker 2: the mic.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say Tyler Smith heating.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're heating up Tyler got.

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Speaker 2: He is where you're getting them to that point? Yes,

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Speaker 2: I like it, Yes, I like it. Uh. Mister Valles

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Speaker 2: on Twitter says, match a player and a team that

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Speaker 2: you've seen so far that would make you say, man,

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Speaker 2: this player is going to be a problem. So best

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Speaker 2: fits between a prospect and a team from the early

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Speaker 2: going in the draft?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean from the early rounds.

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Speaker 2: What you said, Yeah, any round kind of where you're

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Speaker 2: you're headed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so it's not been frequent, but I mean

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Speaker 3: people who wonder about, like would Washington come up to

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Speaker 3: like one if Chicago's willing to flip and get out

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Speaker 3: of there. I mean that's natural. That's a natural fit

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Speaker 3: there because you've got Cliff Kings there as the offensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator already worked with you know, Caleb Williams. It's right,

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Speaker 3: I think for his skill set there, he's from Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. Like, I mean a lot of things. I

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Speaker 3: think check box is there, but you know it's I

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Speaker 3: don't know that that's one that has has stood out

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Speaker 3: to me, just the idea of that pairing would be

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Speaker 3: really good. I mean, I think, honestly, when you've seen

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Speaker 3: some of the the pairings that you've gotten with Dallas,

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Speaker 3: like the Tyler Geiiton one or Mems just some of

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Speaker 3: these you know, freaky, big athletic guys. It just and

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Speaker 3: the success that they've had with those types of players,

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Speaker 3: going back to even Tyron Smith all the way up.

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Speaker 3: I think that those are are ones that I look

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Speaker 3: at and say, those are good fits. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: those are some of the ones that stand out to me.

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Speaker 5: So I I mean, I think I have one. But

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Speaker 5: at the same time, I'm not one d sure with

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Speaker 5: Jeremi Trotter he uh where does he have ties too?

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Speaker 5: I'm amos, don't know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a screenshadow if you talk Todrew's dad.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm saying, like whatever, Philly, Philly, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because his dad played in Philly, brought us, drafted him

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Speaker 3: there Philly.

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Speaker 5: I've just been seeing a little buzz about that. But

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Speaker 5: then also too, he's we've seen it, You've seen it,

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Speaker 5: I all seen.

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Speaker 6: It, but I always seen it. They need help it linebacker.

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Speaker 5: So and I do think that he's a gentleman that

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Speaker 5: could fall to them, and it maybe could work. I

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Speaker 5: mentioned even earlier in the draft jahem bel fsu tight

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Speaker 5: end slash basically running back.

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Speaker 6: Holy crap, please keep him away from san fran I

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Speaker 6: beg of the I definitely think he.

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Speaker 5: Could be somebody that they see because he has that

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Speaker 5: I can do things in the backfield, but I can

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Speaker 5: also do things because I'm athletic and stuff like that

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Speaker 5: in the intermediate middle part of the field. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's their money. So he has some versatility to his game.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's some connection there.

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Speaker 3: I do think also now that you know you've got

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Speaker 3: Mike McDonald in Seattle and some of the history he

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Speaker 3: has with what he's done with defensive linemen of I

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Speaker 3: think similar are types. I think that when you've seen,

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Speaker 3: you know, Byron Murphy mocked to Seattle in a couple

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Speaker 3: different instances, I think that that's a good fit. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of, you know, one of not

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Speaker 3: just from a perspective of what they need and what

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Speaker 3: would help them, but just from the idea of like

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Speaker 3: what Mike McDonald has been able to do with guys

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Speaker 3: like that. I think that Byron Murphy in his hands

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Speaker 3: would be great.

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Speaker 2: And this is a fit that could very well happen.

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Speaker 2: But how about Drake May quarterback North Carolina going to

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Speaker 2: Washington in that early.

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Speaker 3: Spot to replace Sam Hallijn now who was his predecessor

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Speaker 3: at North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of impact would that be? I

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Speaker 2: mean is that that's an interesting dynamic overall, and of

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Speaker 2: course dan Quinn out there in Washington they need a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Drake May there is a great fit.

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Speaker 3: I think. You know, they've had the and I think

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Speaker 3: specifically Cliff working with a guy like Drake May would

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Speaker 3: be huge. Now you know, there's some that have I know,

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels could go number two instead of Drake May,

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Speaker 3: and people say, look, he had success with Kyler, He's

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Speaker 3: had success with a mobile quarterback. He knows how to

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Speaker 3: use them, knows how to get the most out of them.

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Speaker 3: I think obviously it's different skill set. You're talking about

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Speaker 3: different size profiles and different passers. But no, I think

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Speaker 3: that Drake May is a is a really good fit

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Speaker 3: for Washington and specifically if Cliff were able to work

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Speaker 3: with him. And you know, there's still some questions about

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Speaker 3: for me when watching May is just like what he's

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Speaker 3: seeing at times and the decisions that he makes, and

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Speaker 3: I think just Cliff being such a you know, high

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Speaker 3: IQ offensive football mind him working with him, I think

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Speaker 3: would be massive.

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Speaker 2: Usually during the week of the Combine is whenever I

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Speaker 2: submit my first block of positions for the draft magazine

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Speaker 2: coming up, because I want to get the combine reads

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Speaker 2: before I really submit him for review. So quarterback is

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Speaker 2: the first position. I normally just get it out of

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Speaker 2: the way early. I have a really high grade on

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Speaker 2: Drake May so that was one of the knocks is

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Speaker 2: I wrote struggle the times working and making the complicated reads.

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Speaker 2: We get himself in trouble by forcing passes and taking

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Speaker 2: too long to navigate through progressions, and because of that,

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Speaker 2: at times his footwork lapses whenever his timing is thrown off,

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Speaker 2: but whenever he's got given.

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Speaker 6: Time to throw, he sees it he can do it.

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00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, he's prototypical quarterback. He can be a franchise guy.

656
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: He's got to get better at reading a defense is

657
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: ultimately where it's at, which is you can teach that

658
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: it's normal.

659
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 11: I mean it.

660
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: I'm not going to sit up here and make it

661
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 5: seem like it's an excuse. But I guess this is

662
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 5: again that's why we talk about the formals and things

663
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: like that, like at what level is it? Because I

664
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: do think that's a part of you know, come into

665
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 5: the league as a quarterback is like it does take

666
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: time to understand these things. I mean we didn't see

667
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: Dak take that like next step, next step to.

668
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 6: What year four?

669
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 5: You're maybe five, So I just think as normal. But

670
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 5: the arm talent to me stood out is that, like

671
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 5: you said, if he sees it, he can place it,

672
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: and he's powerful. It's not a lot, it's not super floated.

673
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 5: If he's decisive, when he's decisive, and to your point

674
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: when you mentioned the mechanics and all those things.

675
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: So I like, I like him.

676
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: I think he's one of the better quarterbacks in this draft.

677
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: Because they they he not throwing it.

678
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean like that was a big conversation,

679
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: right at least, you know, in terms of the analyst community,

680
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: it was a big conversation for instance about Mahomes when

681
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: he was coming out like that, they were like, you

682
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: just you don't know, like you don't know what he

683
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: is on the whiteboard, you don't know what he is

684
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: in terms of pre and post snap reads and things

685
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: like that, and so I think that that's another thing

686
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: is that people may look at Drake May as a

687
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: case of like, well, we don't really know yet. There

688
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: are things. There are times where the it looks like

689
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: a bad read, like maybe he just got confused post

690
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: snap with what he had seen. Then there are other

691
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: instances where it can be something where it looks to

692
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: me at times a little Stafford like where it's just

693
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: almost irrational trust in his ability to get it. There's

694
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: out and so sometimes it may just be he read

695
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: it right and he just thought, well, I can get

696
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: this there.

697
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: He's like, screw that, I'm fitting.

698
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I know, I know I can put the

699
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: ball on him. And so there are times where it

700
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: looks like a battery and other times where it looks

701
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: like to me, he's just incredibly confident in his arm talent.

702
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Which is a good thing. At times sure could turn

703
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: into a back kind.

704
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 6: Of temperate you gotta temperate, right, Yeah.

705
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: That's how it rolls, all right. Andrew asked this question.

706
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit with Nick a moment ago

707
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: about defensive tackle and linebacker Bobby. You said at the

708
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: middle of the draft has been an emphasis or middle

709
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: of the defense has been an emphasis in the draft

710
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: process so far. Andrew wants to know who is everyone's

711
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: favorite defensive tackle or linebacker that the Cowboys have had

712
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: a formal visit so far. And here's the list of

713
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: formal visits off of Nick's Twitter account, McKinley Jackson, Texas

714
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: A and m Mason Smith LSU Chris Jenkins from Michigan.

715
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: You can make the jokes now if you want to

716
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Rooque or Or from Clemson to Andre Sweat from Texas.

717
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: We'll start with the dts. So there's the five formals

718
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: that were reported by Nick. Paris so high.

719
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: I don't wanna I'm gonna give the caveat now. I'm

720
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: gonna sound like a Homer, but it's Tavandra Swet.

721
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 6: Yeah there you it's hard to say anybody else.

722
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that to me is the easy one.

723
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: And I'd like, I'm not even super high on Sweat

724
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: like like a lot of other people. I think Sweat's

725
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: gonna rise to a point and go in the draft,

726
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: probably higher than I would take him, like just for

727
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: my own comfort level of my own fantasy mock draft

728
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: way of taking guys, I he would be He's probably

729
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: gonna go higher than I would take. But I mean,

730
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: there's no denying just the type of freak that he

731
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: is for his size and the ability that he shows

732
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: against the run. And you know, I think that there

733
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: there's very rarely, even against big time offensive lines like

734
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: what Washington has, very rarely do you see people getting

735
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: movement on him. And I think that that's absolutely critical

736
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: for what we're talking about with the cow Boys is

737
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: the idea of having that sturdy anchor in the middle

738
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: of the defense to help with some of this run support,

739
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: which is something Steven still when they talked about needs

740
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: the other day, he talked about positions, but when he

741
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: talked about an actual area of execution where they still start,

742
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: he still pointed to the run defense has got to

743
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: be better.

744
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 10: Yep.

745
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: I have a question because we're talking about this, because

746
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: it feels like something that we need to start considering.

747
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 5: I know, I need to start considering. Who they are

748
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: paired up with matters in this, especially with DT. To me,

749
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 5: it matters especially it depends on is the guy next

750
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 5: to them more of a two gapper or is this

751
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: person the two gapper or is another person next to

752
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: them more of a speedy I don't know birsty twitchy guy,

753
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: because I do think I do think he's he's fine.

754
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 6: I think he can do whatever.

755
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 5: But I'm curious of, like moving forward with how we

756
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: look at DT I'm trying to look at who they're

757
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 5: paired with, who's playing next to them, because it does

758
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 5: dictate Dick.

759
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: The end of the future, or on their college I'm sorry.

760
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: On their college tape, how they perform.

761
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: I just a little bit of concern there because Byron

762
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Murphy was so good next to him.

763
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's so much concern.

764
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: I just think it's something you have to consider, is

765
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: that the other gentleman next to the other gentleman. It's

766
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 5: the same plying we talked about it last year. Even

767
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, it's like, yeah, I mean, I see

768
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: osa Osa can win one on ones. But a lot

769
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 5: of the time it's because people are doubling Micah's because

770
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: they're doing it draws attention. So I'm just I'm only

771
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 5: asking not because of him in particular, I'm talking about

772
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: in general, because when I look at even some of

773
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: these other DT's, I'm over here like, well, who's your friend,

774
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 5: who's your.

775
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 6: Friend next to you? Because baby, that's the reason why

776
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 6: you get into play free like this.

777
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 5: So anyway, that was just a question I had. How

778
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: important is that to y'all to consider who they're playing

779
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 5: next to you.

780
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: I think it plays a factor because even in the

781
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: film that you get to see, yes you will see

782
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: one on ones, and both of these guys went one

783
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: on one. They didn't get double teamed a ton in college.

784
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: But I think it does play a factor because ultimately,

785
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: the guys that you're playing around do elevate your game

786
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. Uh. I'm not worried about these guys,

787
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: especially whenever you've got the B role that we were

788
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: just watching from Senior Bowl. When you're seeing one on

789
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: ones won by Devondre Sweat, Uh, that's that's pure strength

790
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: and skill.

791
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess more, less so who they're they're playing alongside.

792
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: I guess what I would look at more because I

793
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: think that'll show up on tape. Regardless of having to

794
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: ask that question. I think when you see the tape,

795
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: you'll be able to spot. Okay, like he I mean

796
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: he's getting favorable matchups here? How much is he just

797
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 3: taking advantage of a lesser tackle or whatever else? Because

798
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: there's a tension over here. Those are those sorts of things. More,

799
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: what I would wonder is like, if you see someone

800
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: on tape, it's like, okay, they're they're mainly playing inside,

801
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: or like like if you're talking about defensive backs, for instance,

802
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: you're seeing a corner that's mainly playing inside, or you know,

803
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: it appears that well, I've got a lot of tape

804
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: of them playing man, but there's not a lot of

805
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: them playing zone or whatever. So those are more things

806
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: where I go like, Okay, are you niche and we

807
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: just don't know it because we haven't been able.

808
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: To see unutilized Yeah, in certain ways. How do you

809
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: feel like sweat has been utilized?

810
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 10: Oh?

811
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: No, I think that.

812
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're fine.

813
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 5: I think they're fine. I guess I'm asking because I'm

814
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: looking at even like this Cowboys roster and these dts

815
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: and how things are with them, and I think we've

816
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 5: seen that different guys perform better when they're next to

817
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 5: certain guys or if there's another guy that's there. So

818
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 5: I just I just think the name where your DT

819
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 5: room matters when you're talking about bringing in like a sweat,

820
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: because I think he's gonna thrive regardless.

821
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 6: But I just I don't know.

822
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

823
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm tripping.

824
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm curious how early not to shoot the wheels out here,

825
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: but how early would you with them taking a defensive

826
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: tackle potentially signal to you maybe they're not as comfortable

827
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: with Mazi as they're probically said. So just first, if

828
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: they went second would a depth.

829
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Or I don't think that bothers me? Does it? Would

830
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: it bother you?

831
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 4: No?

832
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just first round would be interesting

833
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: if they went first round defensive tackle, that says we

834
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: are concerned about Mazi and what he can bring in

835
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: the future because going back to back like that on

836
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: a specific position, because you're not going to draft a

837
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: three tech in the first round and expect it to

838
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: be a three tech unless I guess you can move

839
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: Mazi with all the weight that he's lost to a

840
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: three tech. You can maybe do that. But if you're

841
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: taking a true nose tackle, run stuff of stuffing defender

842
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: for the second straight year inside the mid twenties, I

843
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: think that's a problem. But if you do it in

844
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: the second you're just investing in a run defense.

845
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 5: As someone that wants them to address that position.

846
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 6: More so with proven.

847
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 5: Talent, like in free agency, I don't know, given, because

848
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: take a second, what is your DT room right now?

849
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 10: What is it? You don't know?

850
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 6: If Ankas is coming back, you don't know.

851
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 5: Like obviously Masi is Osa, Mazzi, Chauncey Golst is probably

852
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 5: gonna get kicked.

853
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 6: Back out to edge.

854
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: But because respectfully zim has can look at him as

855
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: he's ding.

856
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 6: I just Neville Gallimore.

857
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 5: They incentivized almost his whole contract this whole season, so it's.

858
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: Free as a free agent.

859
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: So I ask you, what the hell is your D

860
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: tackle room right now? To where taking somebody high is

861
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: Like I'm super concerned.

862
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 6: I would be more concerned.

863
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 5: If they didn't touch I guess if they take a

864
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: free agent, if they take if they draft a guy

865
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 5: and they don't touch free agency with DT, I'm a

866
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: little more so.

867
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 6: Like, Okay, what the heck is going on? I don't know,

868
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 6: or the other way around.

869
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean, ohso Diggie Zoo is not going to be

870
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 3: a run stopping one technique exactly, and so so Osa

871
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: has already got one spot. So I think that, yeah,

872
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: if you're taking one in the first round, that is

873
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: a run stopping defensive tackle. To me, that is such

874
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: a niche, narrow position that you're addressing when you already

875
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: dressed in the first round last year. To me, it's like,

876
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: you don't just draft depth in the first round, and

877
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: so I would that's why your line of thinking is

878
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: why it doesn't concern me if they took them the

879
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: second or the third or something like that, because you

880
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: know with how frequent defensive line rotations are in this

881
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: day and age too, And I got to go back

882
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: and look and see how much ZIM was rotating guys

883
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: in Minnesota the last couple of letters did. And so

884
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: because of that aspect of it, it wouldn't concern me

885
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: day two, day three if they went for depth. But

886
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: if you're saying, like, hey, our biggest piece of draft capital,

887
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: we're going to commit to this fairly narrow focus on

888
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: the defense, and it's the same investment we made last year,

889
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: that would be a little that that would make me

890
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: think that their true beliefs aren't necessarily matching up with

891
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: their public messaging.

892
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, that's.

893
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 5: Fair, I mean, or again they might be trying to

894
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: pair How we saw the commanders do to me is

895
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 5: where they was like.

896
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: We don't care. We're going to use important picks to

897
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: get in the middle.

898
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: Of our defense the way that we needed to be

899
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 5: and it did a working out with but it don't

900
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 5: always work out for everyone.

901
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 6: But I mean, yeah, I would be like what the heck?

902
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 5: But I would be more more like what the heck

903
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 5: if they didn't touch it at all, and even in

904
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 5: free agency, because you don't have the luxury to just

905
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 5: look at what you have now and be like, we're good.

906
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 6: We're all right.

907
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 9: No.

908
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: To finish the second half of our final Twitter on

909
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: the Twitter questions, what are on the Twitter yet? Twitter

910
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: on the junior Colson Michigan, Tyron Hopper from Missouri and

911
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: Edgeran Cooper from Texas, And in which out of those

912
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: three guys those are all the formals at linebackers so far?

913
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: Which one of those guys do you like the best?

914
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: So Colson, Cooper? And what was the other one?

915
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Hopper?

916
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so I've not watched Hopper yet, Coulson. I have

917
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: Colson a little ahead of Cooper just a little bit.

918
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 6: I watched Hopper last night.

919
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: I flipped them last night. I mean they're right there now, yeah, right,

920
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: they're touching tags already. They were touching tags before last night,

921
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: and there still are to me, but I now have

922
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: Cooper ahead of Coulson. But I love Colson. I think

923
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: both those guys are great players, are both second round

924
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: high second round grades for me.

925
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 5: I think is uh is edging a little longer? Yes, yes,

926
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: I think that's what stands out.

927
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: Then you've got Colson who's a little bit more built.

928
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, GLSEN's got twenty pounds on Coopering like that.

929
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: I just I mean the I love the way edge

930
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: Cooper plays is just the thing to me.

931
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 10: He the.

932
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: The way he sees it and gets after it, and

933
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: the way he uses that length, and the way that

934
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: he's able to get off of blocks and not just

935
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, run around him or whatever else. I really

936
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: really like him and think that he'd be a big

937
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 3: positive for them in their linebacker corps. How you said

938
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: you wanted to you want to do address defensive tackle

939
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: and free agency, I think I would definitely feel more

940
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: comfortable with one of the starters they get a linebacker

941
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: is from free agency, Like I want to get a

942
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: veteran that I know like sees it, sees it and

943
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: reads it and reacts the right kind of way. That's

944
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: what I would want to address some pre agency because

945
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: it is so much of a crapshoot at times with

946
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: linebackers coming out of the draft in terms of how

947
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: quickly they see it, process it, and react to it.

948
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Would you be okay pairing a rookie with a veteran

949
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: and having both guys, I know, that'd be a perfect

950
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: scenario for me.

951
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's completely fine with me.

952
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: I agree with you completely. If you're starting a guy

953
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: a linebacker, I want him to be a veteran. I

954
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: want him to have been there, done that scene, everything

955
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: to a certain extent. Whereas Drian Cooper he brings such

956
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: an upside that you want to pair him. I mean,

957
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: think about late vander esh had Sean Lee. Yeah, and

958
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Sean Lee had individuals to learn with all the way

959
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: through too, So same thing with bringing in a linebacker.

960
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: Who are they going to learn from?

961
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: This room needs this room needs you need of it.

962
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 5: They do need that, and I would feel more comfortable

963
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 5: too if they addressed it in free agency as well.

964
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 5: But I do want to ask you guys, if they

965
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 5: addressed it in free agency, do they take one of

966
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: these linebackers later? Then you could would I don't think

967
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 5: they would feel the pressure or you know, to have

968
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 5: to take a guy higher the second or you know,

969
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 5: because there are some later round, later round guys that

970
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: could come in and be pretty good linebackers for them

971
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 5: if they pair with a veteran.

972
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: They've got a pretty extensive history of, regardless of need,

973
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: taking linebackers, Like I mean, whether it be like I'm

974
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: trying to look here now, there was a stretch there

975
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: where I think twenty and twenty and nineteen they didn't

976
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: take linebackers, But if you look before then, it was

977
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: some insane run of like eighteen of twenty drafts they

978
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: took a linebacker somewhere now, And it's because, I mean

979
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: a lot of times you get guys who are contributing

980
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: on special teams and are you know, just depth guys

981
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: at the linebacker position and do different things. And so

982
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: I would guess, regardless of how they address it in

983
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: free agency, they're taking a linebacker somewhere. And they're still

984
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: really really high on Tomorrow Overshown, and I think that

985
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: Overshown being a guy that they really believe in paired

986
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: with Nick had thrown it out there during his mock

987
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: off season you get Aziz Al Shaier and Marvin Overshown,

988
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: and you've got Damon Clark working in there, and however

989
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: much you want to bring Marky Spell into the box.

990
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that was more of a dan

991
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: Quin philosophy that Mike Zimmer may not ascribe to. The

992
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: way Stephen talked to the Combin the other day made

993
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: it sound like Micah could be more involved playing straight linebacker,

994
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: and so I believe that, you know. But I think

995
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: if you're telling me Veteran and Demarvian Overshown as kind

996
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: of your core at linebacker, then I feel pretty good

997
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: about that relative to what you're going to do in

998
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 3: the draft.

999
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: From twenty nine to twenty sixteen, they took a linebacker

1000
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: in every single draft, yep.

1001
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: And then what is it the last three years they've

1002
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: taken one.

1003
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: They've taken at least one. They had Covington in eighteen nineteen.

1004
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: You know, they've taken light. They've taken five linebackers in

1005
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: the last three drafts.

1006
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still need winebacker. Yeah, still got to

1007
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: find a way to get it done, all right, when

1008
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: we come back. It's not for some tell me more

1009
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Speaker 2: who have aisha and Bobby been watching this week and

1010
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: who do they have their eyes on going into the

1011
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,000
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Speaker 2: can depend on. We've got Aisha Morris and Bobby Belt,

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Speaker 2: Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Let's talk about some tell

1062
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: me more scouting reports over players, and we haven't necessarily

1063
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: had a chance to talk about much on the show.

1064
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: I shall let you start. Who you got?

1065
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 5: I have a gentleman that they did of for more with.

1066
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 5: I want to tell you more about Nate Wiggins, cornerback

1067
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 5: out of Clemson.

1068
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 6: This is a young player, very young player. He's a nugget.

1069
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 5: Uh he's six, pronominantly plays outside.

1070
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 6: I said, uh.

1071
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, he flipped the script.

1072
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 6: I said that he uh he.

1073
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 5: Likes I think I like his zone technique more than

1074
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: I like press. I think zone allows him to read

1075
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 5: and react and he's this is a heady player. You

1076
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 5: can almost see him thinking things through before they happen.

1077
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 5: He thrives there. I said, uh, yeah, the diagnos and

1078
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: recognition stand out. He used the boundary. Well, the boundary

1079
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 5: is his friend. Again, that takes awareness from a player.

1080
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 5: He's fluid, but he's not super fluid, and he doesn't

1081
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: have a whole bunch of burst. But I think he

1082
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: knows his athletic limitations. I think he knows what he's

1083
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 5: capable of and what he's not capable of. And that's

1084
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: why he is more so this heady guy that can

1085
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 5: you know, make plays. Again, look at me, just a nugging.

1086
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: What makes you say that about how he did you

1087
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: just see that from film study on terms in terms

1088
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: of IQ in the way.

1089
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 13: That he knows?

1090
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I think you can watch a player and

1091
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: their decision making and you know that they know, like

1092
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: I can't cut too far out here, why I can't

1093
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 5: backpeddle too much here because I don't have the recovery

1094
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 5: speed to drive on this ball.

1095
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 6: And I think that he again that.

1096
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 5: The lack of I think he's athletic, but he's not

1097
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: just like this crazy athlete. But I think he understands that.

1098
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 5: So he's in his playbook far more than everybody else,

1099
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 5: so he can read it and recognize it and be

1100
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 5: there a little bit quicker. I think the run defense

1101
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 5: can improve, and some of the tackling. As you see,

1102
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: he is a dido, he's not super big. I think

1103
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 5: he might thrive in the slot, to be honest, depending

1104
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 5: on how he decided to use him. When he knows,

1105
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 5: he knows. It's what I said, is when he knows,

1106
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 5: he knows, and he goes after it. And that's why

1107
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 5: he's able to make plays on the ball and do

1108
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 5: some things like that. So yeah, he times up his finish,

1109
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: he times up when he decides to rotate or fight

1110
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 5: to the ball as well. I like the player definitely.

1111
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 5: Maybe people might be concerned about some of his he's

1112
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: just very lean. He's not he's just not super muscular.

1113
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 5: He's not gonna again, he's not gonna do a lot

1114
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 5: in the run game support as of right now. But

1115
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 5: still from a cover's perspective, especially tap of his own schame,

1116
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 5: I think he could be a dog.

1117
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really like it. He obviously is

1118
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 3: very lanky, very lanky. He's not quite a manual Forbes

1119
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: lanky and.

1120
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: This is twenty pounds on Forbes.

1121
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: Still yeah, I mean, yeah, Forbes weighed one hundred and

1122
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: forty pounds or whatever he was. But I mean this

1123
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 3: was a a this was a staff that liked Emmanuel

1124
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: Forbes a lot. So so I don't know that that

1125
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: being lanky is necessarily going to be a big problem

1126
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: from I'll say, it's so easy, I think to draw

1127
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: comparisons to guys that you see week in and week out,

1128
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: And while he's not got nearly the thickness that Diggs

1129
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: had coming out, I think there's a lot of Digs

1130
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: like quality to his game. Yeah, he's a guy who

1131
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: he absolutely loves to gamble and trying to bait guys,

1132
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: and he's got similar type of length. One of the

1133
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: things we know about Mike Zimmer's length is going to

1134
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: be something that's important him at the corner position, something

1135
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: that's been consistent with Chris or Chard and you know,

1136
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn and then Will mcclace's you know, scouting parameters

1137
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: for a long time has been corners with length and

1138
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: that they want that. And I think that when you

1139
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: see him in the way that he uses his length

1140
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: and press and the way that he plays the ball.

1141
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: If he can fill out a little bit and maybe

1142
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: get a little more disciplined and not take so many risks,

1143
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: I think that Nate Wiggins can be. Really He's one

1144
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 3: of my two corners that I have graded in the first.

1145
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 6: And he's he's young. He's a young player, so he's

1146
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 6: still still raw.

1147
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 5: So you have the opportunity to coach him up how

1148
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 5: you see fit and things like that. But he has

1149
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 5: a lot of traits that I think people will will

1150
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 5: enjoy because sometimes you want a guy that's gonna gamble sometimes,

1151
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 5: And we also saw it even with Trayvon. To your point,

1152
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 5: he did improve and run defense. It wasn't always perfect pretty,

1153
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 5: but he showed a willingness as he got a little

1154
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 5: bit bigger and got later.

1155
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 6: Into you know, his time here.

1156
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you like a guy that would be

1157
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: willing to gamble, Well, he would be unable to gamble

1158
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: in certain states across the country until after training camp

1159
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: because he doesn't turn twenty one until.

1160
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 6: After training told you he's a nugget.

1161
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's twenty years old, so he will turn twenty

1162
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: one on August twenty eighth.

1163
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so a guy who still has a ceiling

1164
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 3: to be reached, I think. But the skill set, the traits,

1165
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: they're they're all there to be a top tier corner

1166
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: to me.

1167
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: And so you've got a first round grade on him,

1168
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: you do too, Ayisha, Maybe.

1169
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: First round grade corner two, quarner two.

1170
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: Who's corner one?

1171
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: Terry Arnold?

1172
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 5: It's Arnold, Terry Arnold.

1173
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 6: Some egg gonna make him a safety?

1174
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 11: Ain't thing.

1175
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: I mean somebody might try. But I mean he's he's

1176
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: I think he's a really good too.

1177
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 6: I haven't give him a full full set.

1178
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 5: I still, you know, I gotta get all the humans

1179
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 5: and then I could stay. I got to watch.

1180
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: Getting the humans is important for you.

1181
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 6: Gotta get them.

1182
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: I got three of them this week.

1183
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see, I mean nobody knows that more than Kyle.

1184
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: All right, Bobby, who you've been watching?

1185
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: Okay?

1186
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: So I was.

1187
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: I was very interested after hearing Eric Galco really heap

1188
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: a lot of praise onto Isaiah Williams from Illinois. Yeah,

1189
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: I was really interested him, especially in a class that's

1190
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: as deep as it is for the receiver class. I

1191
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: mean I've already run through, you know, in the one

1192
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: hundred players I've done it's like seventeen of them are

1193
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: receivers at this point, and so it's a very deep

1194
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: and strong class. And man, I think Isaiah Williams is

1195
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: really interesting. He had a big week at the Shrine Bowl.

1196
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: Five nine eighty four pounds, slot specific type of guy.

1197
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: But this is a converted quarterback. He was a quarterback

1198
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 3: his first couple of years at Illinois, made the position

1199
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: change over to receiver, had a thousand yard season last

1200
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: year for them before declaring for the draft. Can contribute

1201
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: in the return game. To me, I see a guy

1202
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: who separation comes really easily for him. Now when he

1203
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: doesn't have the separation. The lack of size does cause

1204
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: him trouble on contested catches and things like that, but

1205
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: those are those are size limitations. It's not a competitiveness

1206
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: toughness thing. He is a competitive football player. I think

1207
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: the speed, the ability to stop start, the acceleration is

1208
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: really impressive. I think the athletic ability that he shows

1209
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: when he's adjusting to the ball, the body adjustments, the catches.

1210
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: You know, it seems that there's still room to grow

1211
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: as a young player at the position. Because he played

1212
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: quarterback at high school. Was I believe like the Gatorade

1213
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: Player of the Year in Missouri is a quarterback.

1214
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

1215
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: But is somebody who I think has a ton of

1216
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: upside and will be in Indie this week and I'm

1217
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: really interested to see how he tests, how he weighs in.

1218
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: But that's a guy who I think has a ton

1219
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: of upside.

1220
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: They have him listed and this is not Indie's stuff,

1221
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: this is just Internet five four. He's little, that's a

1222
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: little bit.

1223
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: He is little. He's not playing outside heavy. Now, Illinois

1224
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: did play him outside some. They were willing to do

1225
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: that at the NFL level and specifically with the way

1226
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: I know, you know Mike McCarthy has treated smaller slot

1227
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: guy or smaller plays before. I think that this would

1228
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: be a slot specific type of player. Probably for four

1229
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 3: ish speed, Yeah, yeah, I think so, probably four Now.

1230
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: It's always a little it's always a little tricky when

1231
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: you're eye testing it with these guys because you see

1232
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: that when they got those quick little feed and they

1233
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: show that acceleration and they show some of the agility

1234
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: and the quickness, it can can sometimes lull you into

1235
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: a bed. I mean, I think he definitely has the

1236
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: long speit. He reminds me a little bit guy who

1237
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 3: didn't work out at the NFL level, but as a prospect,

1238
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: reminds me a little Kiki KOOTI. Oh, he's coming out

1239
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: of Texas Tech.

1240
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 5: Who's I don't know who Kiki is.

1241
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: You don't remember that song was made.

1242
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: Luffkin product. Luffkin product, Buddy, it does brun he was.

1243
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: He was nasty.

1244
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: I look at him.

1245
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: I've never heard that name before, but no, you brought

1246
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 5: up I think if I'm not mistaken Isaiah last year

1247
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: in twenty two he let the FBS and FBS.

1248
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: In receptions, he's I mean, he's he was somebody who

1249
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was the look at that

1250
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 3: being Bamber got a b roll that guy that we're

1251
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: just talking about. That That right there is why I

1252
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: am responsible for the twitter on the twenty miss is

1253
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: because I was like, hey, do we have Isaiah Williams.

1254
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: And Beam was like, oh my gosh, let me cut

1255
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: it up. Hold on, and so Beam knocks it out.

1256
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: He's got graphics on there and everything. Yeah, he was.

1257
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if he led the FBS. He was

1258
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: eighty two receptions, seven hundred and fifteen yards as a

1259
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: sophomore last year was eighty two, twenty fifty five, it

1260
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: was five touchdowns. He's to me is like I said,

1261
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: it's it's going to be slots specific. But you talk

1262
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: about run after the catchability, joystick type player. Somebody who

1263
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: shows competitive toughness over the middle of the field isn't

1264
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: afraid to go over there. It has some size limitations.

1265
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: Obviously that's going to be natural for a guy that

1266
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: is his size. But I think that everything you want

1267
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: in terms of his makeup and that toughness on the

1268
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: field is there.

1269
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, should have added context at some point in time.

1270
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: He is im poortant time during the season, and twenty

1271
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: two he let the fish now here.

1272
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: Now Here's one thing that's going to probably make fundamental

1273
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: coaching on the special team side a little sick. He

1274
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: did muff three punts this year.

1275
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: It's not great, I mean, but by the way he finished, uh,

1276
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: what is this sixteenth in receptions this year, so he

1277
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: was top twenty in the FBS in terms of receptions.

1278
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 6: I will say we've talked about it the last couple

1279
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 6: of years.

1280
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 5: Is what keep an eye on Illinois man Like they seem.

1281
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: Like they turn out prospects Illinois. Illinois put out Kirby

1282
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: Joseph a couple of years ago. They've got Witherspoon, They've

1283
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 3: got some guys this year. I mean they've they've done

1284
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: a good job building up that program from one that was,

1285
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, a little down for a while. But I

1286
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: mean I think that, you know, Brent Bilima has done

1287
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: a good job building that back up over there in Illinois.

1288
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 5: That's a tough conference to win in some of the

1289
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 5: attitude too. When you look at when you watch Missouri players.

1290
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 6: You'd be like, he do far off the change like

1291
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 6: they I feel like that about some of the Illinois

1292
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 6: players as well.

1293
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know what it is about them,

1294
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 5: but they just have that chip on their shoulder that

1295
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 5: they play with and their edgy Like you said.

1296
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 6: Is like, even though this guy is.

1297
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 5: Small, don't be worried about him being scared to catch

1298
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 5: a ball over the middle.

1299
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 6: He's not scared.

1300
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: He's not a friend. It definitely limits him at times.

1301
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: There are times where you see that his physicality, Yeah,

1302
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: he's I mean on contested catches. When I was watching him,

1303
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: you definitely see that at times he has trouble finishing.

1304
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: But again, it's not a lack of competitive toughness. It

1305
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: is just physical limitations that exist. You know, there's no

1306
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: perfect prospect. We're not talking about a Round one guy here.

1307
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: We're talking about somebody who definitely has some limitations, but

1308
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 3: is somebody who I think impressed a lot of people

1309
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: at Shrine Bowl and the ceiling that he still can

1310
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: potentially achieve is somebody who's still learning to become a

1311
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: more crisp and precise route runner. As a guy who

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: played quarterback previously, I think that he's very intriguing.

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00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: I had him highlighted in my Shrine Bowl notes on my.

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 6: Roster, but I was like, hey, that's that is him?

1315
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: That was still there? You thinking day three, early day three,

1316
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: something like.

1317
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, day three, Yeah, maybe. So there was a lot

1318
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: of chatter, uh. I know when I first started looking

1319
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: into him, it looked like a lot of the chatter

1320
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: was saying late day three. But it looks like there's

1321
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: starting to be more of a build towards like, hey,

1322
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: there's somebody who could sneak in the early day three.

1323
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: It'd be like Round four kind of guys. It's so

1324
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: tough to tell because of how deep the receiver class is.

1325
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of guys got to go before him,

1326
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: small the unfortunate.

1327
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 5: Today, I'm gonna have to stand out the smaller guys

1328
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 5: because you know, wide receivers are giant humans in this season,

1329
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 5: like it's.

1330
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 6: Like, well, back to normal.

1331
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: Small receivers are there, they're people too, and have success

1332
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: with them all right. On Thursday or on Tuesday, we'll

1333
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: have Brian brought us back from spring training. We'll check

1334
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: back in with Bobby Ayisha Chris Beam in the back.

1335
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: But that's going to do it for us here on

1336
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: this edition of the Draft. Oh, Nick Harris will be

1337
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: back from Indianapolis. Do you have the fomo of not

1338
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: being out there?

1339
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 5: I know, yes, I do.

1340
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: I do too.

1341
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: Mean, it was such a it's just nothing like that experience.

1342
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 5: And I was real wide at too.

1343
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, this is this is what radio

1344
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 6: roade feels like.

1345
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: This is what driving to Andy Tomorrow's I say, are

1346
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: you going you're road tripping? Yep?

1347
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: Driving up there solo. I've got a fourteen hour Spotify

1348
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: playlist ready to go. What's on it? A bunch of stuff.

1349
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: It's like it's a huge cross section of you know,

1350
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: rap and pop and alternative rock and everything else.

1351
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: The first song on there that's a good question.

1352
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: I think it's the nineteen seventy five. Oh okay, yes, no,

1353
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: it's a band. Yeah, it's the nineteen seventy five Sincerity Scary.

1354
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: Nice any Creed on there? No, there's not two live crew.

1355
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: Now there's no two live crew either, Bamber, Are you

1356
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: not Creed? I mean I can add it on there.

1357
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: Creed was fine back in the day, and I met

1358
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 3: a resurgence lately, which is yeah, thanks to the world

1359
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: champion Texas, right darn right, you know. But like you know,

1360
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: I feel like if I'm going combine relate, if I

1361
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: was driving a spring training that would be.

1362
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: Listening that you'd be Creed the whole way.

1363
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, going going out to combine. Well, you gotta

1364
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: change it up a little bit.

1365
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 5: I will say that eighties music is it does something

1366
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 5: to my like late eighties music does something to my brain,

1367
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 5: and it makes me calm.

1368
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: Okay, calm, Remember that makes me want to dance.

1369
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 6: It makes me want to dance. But it just feels

1370
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 6: like you time travel in a way.

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 3: You got jokes, that's safety dance.

1372
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: Just love it.

1373
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 5: Like some of my eighties music.

1374
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: Eighties music is great. There's nothing wrong with eighties music.

1375
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 5: I keep trying not to sing so we don't get No, please.

1376
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 4: Go for it.

1377
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 6: No, I can't.

1378
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. We'll see you guys on Tuesday. Back

1379
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: with the Draft show coming up next week for Chris

1380
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: being Bobby Belt, for Ayisha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yomen saying

1381
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: so long, we will see you later from the Star

1382
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: in Frisco.

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