WEBVTT - Policing in America Needs to Change 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.240 What's her family. It's your girl to make a d 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.000 Mallory and it's your boy, my son General. And we 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.840 are your hosts of street politicians the place with the 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:19.200 st and politics. What's going on? My son lenning the general? 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:26.680 Listen man, long weekend. Kids driving me crazy. But I'm 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.160 here kids driving me crazy. You love it, you love it. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.000 I love to see. I was watching the video UM 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:40.919 earlier where a first of all, I took note of 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.839 the amount of fathers since I've been traveled. You know, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.920 obviously we always traveling somewhere over this summer, how many 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.440 fathers are with their kids on like taking them somewhere 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.520 and flying them back and forth, and you know, running 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.920 through airports handling their children. And then UM, I was 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.280 watching a video where the father was telling his daughter 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:08.000 to jump off the dresser into his arms and she 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.120 was like, I can't do that, and he was like, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.160 yes you can, Yes you can, Yes you can. And 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.760 it was such a good video. And I said that 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.319 fathers matter, like and we have to as a community 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.920 make sure that we are always um just uplifting our 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.280 dad's because it's it's not easy, it's not easy to 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.120 deal with the world's and the stress and the pressure 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.480 and the pushing pull. It's not easy to try to 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.080 work and provide for your family at the same time, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.119 you know, having to try to be present for your kids, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.280 because I see the struggles, and trust me, I know 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.680 the struggles. Just thinking about Angelo raising his daughter Attorney 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:53.160 and Gelo pinto our partner um until freedom, and just 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.160 knowing how much like y'all too, were on the road 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.040 and you're like, I gotta I gotta go this time, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.120 and he's like, I gotta it back this time. And 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.440 it's back and forth because you guys are trying your 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.840 best to be there for your children, and you know, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.160 we just have to always just acknowledge that black dads 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.839 are in the mix and black dads matter. Yeah, we've 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.840 been outside, man, you know. It's it's it's it's funny 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.880 when you hear this narrative because I don't really know 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.639 a lot, and they probably are. They're definitely dead be 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.600 dads and fathers who don't want to be with their 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.040 children or don't do the necessary things to do to 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.920 be that it takes to be with their children, you know. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.800 But for the most part, man, man, like those are 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.480 our reflections man, especially you know when they're young. They're young, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.880 like you want, you want to really impose or imprint 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.600 on your life. You know, I haven't been fortunate to 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.440 have a daughter, but I have sons, and I know 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.040 how important wanting them to have certain values and understand 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.239 as the life it is for me to make sure 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.679 that I'm there instilling these things because I know what 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.079 it what it looks like when you don't. You know 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.320 what I'm saying. I know, when you're not there, you're 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.000 not able to have that imprint on your child, you know, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.639 because everybody's an individual, and your child's gonna have his 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.840 own mind and his own you know, understanding. But the 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.000 foundation that you give that child is very important man. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.400 You know. So most fathers, I don't understand that because 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.000 either they had that or they didn't have it. So 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.400 either way they understand how important it was in their 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.240 lives to it because then you know, they're like, then 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.519 I wish I had a father to do this, or 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.959 you know, I'm glad that my father did this. So 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.880 there's there's that duality, and most men do one. So 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.040 I'm glad that lately, you know, we live in the 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.000 social media era where you probably to see it a 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.240 lot more. Yeah, and people are talking about dads more 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.040 and appreciating more. I think at some point, um, we 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.040 began to realize that there was a false narrative being 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:58.680 created about dad's you know, black fathers not being in 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.240 the household or not taking care of their chosen because 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.640 you know, I think you can. You can be consistent. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.840 As long as you're consistent with kids, that's what matters 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.040 the most. And there was starting to be a negative 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:15.920 narrative that I think people start realizing that, hey, we 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.880 have to be much more intentional about showing the other side. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.360 Um And I think you know, you mentioned that there 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.520 are deadbeat deads, but there's also deadbeat moms right there, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.799 deadbeat moms that even though they may be great mothers, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:33.760 they still put their children's fathers through hoops and loops 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.240 to be with the kids for whatever issues they may have. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.480 I posted or I sent around. I didn't post it 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.479 because I never would, but I think brother Ben ex 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.840 posted a video of a woman who, um, you know, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.320 she's talking to her husband, or her husband starts taping 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:58.240 her talking to him about child support payments in relation 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.120 to some new sneakers that the kids that the mother 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.520 said the child needs. And so she's like, you don't 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.880 need to bottom those damn sneakers, Like, what are you 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.840 talking about? You already giving them five hundred dollars a month. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.320 Five hundred jollars a month, that's a that's a lot. Like, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.120 you know that's enough, what you know that you already 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.520 she should get anything she needs out of the child support, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.520 which we know is impossible, that's not realistic, and that's 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.800 not being a parent, um, you know, a father to 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.400 your child, a parent in general. But then she goes 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.000 and says, oh, and f that child and F you two. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.279 And I said, that was the end of the marriage 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.119 for me. Right, there's nothing else to talk about because 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.840 there are women out here who that is how they 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.800 approach life. So I think being honest about all of 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.680 that and doing and and making sure we promote um, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.880 you know, all good father's, good mothers, good good co 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.520 parents and good parents, good marriages, good families. That's what 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.080 black people need to hear about, you know, more of 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:59.680 and where there are challenges people need to understand navigating 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.080 through that as well. Because for me as a mom, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.920 I certainly know the mistakes that I made and because 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.360 I talk about them. I get feedback from a lot 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.360 of mothers who are like man, I'm career driven, and 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.280 I realized that my child, you know, suffered as a result. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.839 So anyway, that's another conversation. We should probably do a 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.359 show on that. That's the whole show, you know. And 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.679 I'm glad that you did that about the debbut moms, 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.800 because I get a lot of flat right for not 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.880 always calling out women and and and that's something that 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.400 I've learned in relation to dealing with you and Linda 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:39.440 and Carmen and all of the women around us, that 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.720 my job is not really to call out women about 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.200 women ship all the day, right, because women have to 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.560 call theirselves to things. So a lot of times when 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.960 I'm speaking, I'm I'm credit way more critical of men 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.240 because not so much that I hold them to a 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.839 higher standard. I just hold them for me, right. I 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.040 just think in life in general, there's a certain level 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.839 of fortitude that men supposed to have, certain levels of 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.880 understanding and responsibilities that I think that we should possess, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.640 that we should not look to women to possess the 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.040 same things. And it's not that we have greater or 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.560 there is an equality, but there's an equality based on differences. Right, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.880 there's you. Y'all do some things better than we do, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.320 and we do some things and we're accountable for some 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.440 things that you're not. Right, So the things that I 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.240 feel like we are accountable for as men, I'm going 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.520 to hold you to that. I'm not gonna say what 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.720 about women? And and don't tell me about what about women? 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.680 When I'm talking about man should I don't. I don't 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.920 want to hear that conversation. When I'm talking about what 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.400 men should be doing, how we should be carrying ourselves. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.400 I don't want to hear you tell me, well, what 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.120 about women? That's not really something that I want to do. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.240 So I get a lot of flat from men. Oh, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.720 you you know you're always thinking of you know I'm 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.720 talking about wo men should do. I don't agree. I 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.440 don't agree that you do that all the time. Well, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.960 I mean I don't agree. Well, I mean I don't 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:06.600 think because you do have a very specific feeling about 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:12.760 how women should behave or move in order to be 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.160 in relationship with not I don't mean physical or what 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.240 intimate relationship with men. So you'll be like women shouldn't 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.960 you know, wear this or do this or that if 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.720 you don't want this type of response from a man's 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.320 but that's human. Tell you why, because that's that's an 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.120 instant I'm giving you. I can only give you how 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.280 men are going to respond to what you do. Right, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.240 So that's a different thing based on what men should do. Right. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.160 You you can tell me. Women can tell me, okay, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.600 if men do this, this is how women are going 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.600 to respond. That's that's a different thing. Because I've never 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.800 been a woman. I can't tell women, Hey, you you 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.079 need to do this. I'm just telling you that if 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.479 you do this, the average man is gonna respond this way. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.760 I know that because I've been a man my whole life. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.640 So all i want to say is that I still 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.319 don't agree. Agree, But it's the topic for another day. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.720 So we could get into it on another time. Excuse 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.120 we could get into it at another time, so I 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.120 can tell you why. I don't know that it's true. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.960 And you know what I'll do. I'll sit there and 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.560 write down or put in my phone every time you 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.600 do it, and then come back and say, look at this, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.280 look at that. But anyway, because because my opinion based 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.760 upon talking to you, and also angelo often as we 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.400 move about this country. Y'all always got something to say 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.160 about what I need to do. But anyway, let me 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:46.240 tell you I want to give up up huh right? Anyway, Um, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.120 I wanted to give an update from last week's show too, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:55.880 because last week we talked about the city manager in Keenly, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:03.840 North Carolina, Justine Jones, and how they entirely departed Kennley. Okay, Keatley. Sorry. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.079 You know, listen, this is the one thing we do 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.880 is tell one another when we're saying something wrong. So anyway, um, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:17.800 in Kenley, North Carolina. Uh, this woman, Justine Jones, she 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.840 became city manager and for some reason, the entire police 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.560 department resigned. So as of when we were on the 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.520 show we talked about woman, she was a black woman. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.439 You remember, the whole story was the black woman city 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:39.000 manager became uhy, she became city manager and the police department, 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:44.360 most people on the force resigned. And remember I was saying, right, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.760 so we were saying we didn't know much of the details. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.120 We didn't. We couldn't save the show because she could 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.280 just be a crazy out of her mind or let 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.160 me not say crazy, but she could be a very 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.320 rude and disrespectful person or she could be unreasonable. We 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.800 can't say that every black woman or every black person 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.960 in general is you know, doing the right thing that 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.720 would make a police department resign. But we said more 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.280 than like, we we get the scenario. So after the show, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.319 people started calling, and then one I got calls from 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.600 people who are close to us that are you know, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.760 black women who are working, um, you know, especially in 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.240 the win with Black Women's Face, which is a space 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.120 where Joe take Joe taka d our friend. She started 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.120 a space where black women, powerful black women get together 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.720 to um, you know, really influenced culture, influence change, uh 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.920 and and really just be on the backs of any 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.199 and everybody who thinks that they can discard or discredit 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.880 or or uh and I do mean that discard discredit. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.240 So if you're a black woman and you're doing good things, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.120 um and all of a sudden that the attack star 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.679 coming against you, this network will join together to push back. Right. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.240 But also um, in situations where black women are being 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:07.160 disrespected and so our suspicion was correct, mostly or mainly 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:14.440 majority white people, lots of white men, and she wants 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.600 to see change, She wants to see accountability, and so 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.520 as a result of that, these folks have resigned because 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.200 they are not going to They don't want to bend. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.679 They don't want to bend, they don't want to be 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.840 held accountable. And I say let them go. I say, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.920 recruit new people. I say, what walk through and work 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.120 with the community to figure out techniques and bring national 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.400 leaders like us in to help them with techniques for 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:48.960 dealing with community issues, while also recruiting other people to 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.080 become officers. I say, don't go back and get the 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.560 ones that don't want to do yeah, because they're not 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.240 Because you're trying to move something forward, right, and these 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.720 people have you know, they have a um primitive mind state, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.880 and and they're not trying to evolve anything're not trying 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.000 to mindset that also, you know, and and and racism 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.760 is primitive, right, So a lot of people haven't evolved 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.480 to where we're ready, you know, where we are right now. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.160 So you know, you've got to get new people with 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.160 new ideas ready to embrace, you know, and engulf upon 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.440 new things. Find you some new energies. A lot of 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.560 people out there that want to be part of you know, 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.640 the police, and they need opportunities. Man, Let's get some new, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.680 fresh fresh minds, man fresh ideas, people who really want 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.480 to see the beloved community, who reimagined what policing looked like. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:45.000 Mm hmm, well yeah, I mean I think that's that's 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.280 gotta be it. So that was just the update from 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.240 last week, because you know, I want to make sure 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.600 that people know that we did do some research and 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.480 got some calls and we've heard a lot about it. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.479 Before we get to our main topic for today, Airbnb. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.240 First of all, I love black people. I love black people. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.680 I'm actually, as we know, this is Black August, which 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.280 is a time of revolution, revolutionary thought. Think about the 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.960 Haitian Revolution, Uh, think about even Rosa Parks and other 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.600 major things that have happened in in black history. Even 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:23.120 the March on Washington it happened during August UM. And 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.080 so Black August has been poined as a term as 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.400 a thing. And now as we sit in the middle 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.280 of Black August, I'm actually in a place where a 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.880 lot of boogey black people come, but they come together 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.400 to raise money for important candidates. They come together for 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.960 opportunity for black young people, black kids to be able 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.760 to run free and live their lives without terrorism from 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:52.800 police and white supremacists and even terrorism from there themselves. Um. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.920 And you know there is opportunity for network and a 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.240 lot of fundraison for organizations go on. And it's in 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.560 my off this vineyard. Um. And you know again it 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.000 is the talented tent of Black America that gets together 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.480 every year. Uh. And as I sit here and think 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.520 about it, Airbnb is one of the big things up here. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.880 There's lots of Airbnbs. And I was thinking about that 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.600 video that I showed you where the Airbnb where the 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.320 Airbnb had a slave cabin and the guy I love 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:30.400 black people because the black man is explaining how this 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.760 is a slave board is here and these people think 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.160 it's okay, and the white people are in the comments section, like, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:43.400 oh I went there slavery and it's like so real, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.240 it's so real. We learned so much this experience. And 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.440 he's like, no, there's running water here, there's electricity, and 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:56.920 it's just the way he does. Nobody right coming in 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:03.160 having having enforceful sex with you at I but hopefully 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.520 they put the video in here. Anyway, Airbnb has apologized 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:07.880 and I was just thinking about that because as we 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.040 were pulling up here in this town, as you know, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.440 people rent houses everywhere. Airbnb is a thing. And so 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.320 as I was pulling up in the town, I was 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.360 thinking to myself, I hope I'm not saying it is late. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.840 It's not funny, but it is a lot. We just 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.160 we just gotta do too much. Sometime. Let's bring our 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.080 guests in so we can talk about our main topic 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:37.040 of the day. So we're uh, you know, us and 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.080 our friends, my son, that's the that is the running 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.760 uh talk of street politicians, that we have so many 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.080 friends doing so many great things across the nation. Uh. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.640 And our friend attorney Lead Mary, who is not a 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.320 stranger to street politicians, but it's been a while since um, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.120 since he's been on, is joining us today to talk 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.880 about two of his cases, UM that are important to us. 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.040 Like we've been talking a lot, you know us. We 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.080 we always talk about how we have the court of 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.880 public opinion and then there is the actual court. And 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.840 in the court of public opinions, sometimes were weighing heavy 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.480 on our feelings about certain issues. And certainly when you 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.600 get started, you don't stop. It's day seven or something 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.520 and you're still talking about the issue. And I do 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.000 understand what I said, and left the people online to 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.399 just argue with each other. You know, when I have 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.880 a position, you know, and I'm not a person that 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.040 had comes by a position likely, so I like to have, 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.280 you know, facts and things to back up what it 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.600 is that I'm saying, rather than just because the internet 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.560 is full of people who just talk right and they 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.000 don't have any facts, They don't have anything to support 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.399 their arguments. They just say, hey, this happened, this, this, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.800 and this is what's going on. And I don't like that. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.639 So I like to be fat driven. I like to 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.000 come back with situations that I can that people can 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.600 relate to, to to point to up of things. I like 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.080 to be at the point to law, statue, all types 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.040 of things to support my situation. So sometimes it don't 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.080 be one day. To take about five or six days 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.600 for you to get all that this me. You know, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.000 it really doesn't because the thing I keep trying to 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.919 tell you is that the people who understand are even 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.119 open to understanding. They already got it from the first 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.560 two or three days. It's people who are committed committed 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.320 to not agreeing with you, and especially people who hate 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.080 black women, including black people. And then there's the trolls, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.280 so I don't have time for it. I said what 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:44.040 I said, and I'm I'm done. Here's the story of Angel, guys, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.439 and today we have a time to be married on UH, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.919 to help us talk about this issue. UH. It is 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.600 extremely disturbing to me the amount of people who somehow 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:04.119 are able to justify what happened to um miss guys 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:09.240 because of you know, are able to justify her being 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.760 arrested the way she was arrested UM in that video, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.600 just because the police department put out some other pieces 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:22.199 that supposedly make people see something that I still have 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.400 an issue with, UM and I want to hear from 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.960 you on it. I'll give you my short take on 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.120 this situation, UH, and then you know, we can kind 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.520 of go from there. What I have been saying to 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.840 people is that the conversation we're having about a black 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:44.119 woman's attitude is a secondary conversation. We could talk about 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.560 respecting law enforcement, we could talk about that. I don't 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.560 have an issue with that. I'm not even gonna argue 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.359 with folks on that point, because everybody is going to 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.720 approach situations the way that they think they should, and 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.800 we all have to deal with the consequences of such, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.200 So I'm not you know, I'm not gonna are agree 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:05.080 with that. What I am arguing is exactly is what 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.400 I never saw. I didn't get a chance to see 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.800 it until my sign happened to put up the full 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.040 video and I was able to see from the very 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.560 very beginning. And it is that in the very very 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.439 beginning of this video. That is my issue. And I 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.840 know you have other legal things as the video goes on, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.719 you have other legal things. But my issue, and I 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.960 think the issue that we have to where we have 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:33.160 to stay, especially as leaders and activists and people who 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.800 are fighting against uh the system and trying to change 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.240 the system, is that the mere fact that she was 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.840 getting a ticket in the first place is problematic, and 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.480 that we are we should be, and cities should be, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.960 and our federal government should be looking for ways to 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:58.560 limit the amount of conversation and interaction between police and 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.439 civilians who may get upset, they may feel whatever kind 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.240 of way, and I think that's for the officers safety 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.960 and the civilian safety. Right when you pull up to 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.720 two people, and that y'all correct me if I'm wrong 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.920 about this, You pull up to two people and they're 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.159 standing there pretty much loving up on one another in 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.000 the park after hours. Are they wrong for being in 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.600 the park after hours? Yeah, because the rules are the rules, right, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.480 But you approached them and say, I don't know where 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.760 you're from. You look like you're from out of town. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.040 You got Ohio plates, but you can't be in this 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.000 park after a certain time. From my perspective, if they 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.159 when they said okay, got you let them go. But 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.240 I understand if they have been shootings in the park, 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.680 that you might need to get their i D. Because 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.120 you can't just say just because it's a couple, they're 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:52.480 not dangerous armed, they haven't just committed a crime. Fine, 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.800 So let's take it to the next step that you 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.960 need to run their license to to see if they're clear. 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.160 Then you under license and the license says they no warrants, 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.360 nobody's looking for them, they're not, uh enemy number one. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.120 At that point, I believe that this system should be 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.399 set up to say go home or come out of 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.359 the park. So now, okay, so I gave my this 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.720 is this is where I feel the issues start, right 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.680 and that there's too much conversation after that, and now 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.720 you want somebody to sign a ticket and all of 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.560 that that creates what we saw at the end. But 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.520 you guys could tell me if maybe I'm misplacing or 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.160 not understanding the full context. I mean, I think from 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:40.679 before league gives you know, his his legal and understanding professionalism, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.560 I think for me that is very much issue. You know. 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.320 I think when we talk about community police and we 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.400 talk about community and police relations, and we talked about 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.760 how do we repair that, this was a classic example 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.520 of how not to repair how to further divide that, 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.400 right because from the initial when he got the car 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.399 and he said that, and they they they when he 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.680 said they can't be in the park, they said, oh, 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.200 thank you, like they were prepared to just leave, like 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.040 you know, they thank you got it, and they said, oh, 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.960 thank you, we got it, and we're about to leave, 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:16.760 you know. And once you took the idea, they're like, Okay, 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.800