Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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Speaker 1: the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lamb and now your hosts. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeoman's. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, It is March ninth, AKA what we have
Speaker 1: been waiting for for quite some time around these parts
Speaker 1: at the SWBC Mortgage Studios and the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: and the deal has been done. Dak Prescott has been signed.
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft shows. We
Speaker 1: talk about the dominoes of the Dak deal one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty million dollars divvied up over four years, but regardless,
Speaker 1: it's done and we don't have to talk about it
Speaker 1: really past the next couple of days, thank goodness, into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and the rest of the off season.
Speaker 1: Glad you're with us here on the Draft show. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us Bucky Brooks, David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and Dave.
Speaker 1: It's nice just knowing that, Hey, it's in the past.
Speaker 1: And then also, hey, you have your franchise quarterback, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, well, thank goodness not have to really look
Speaker 1: into drafting a quarterback, especially early in this April's upcoming draft.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's like my prayers were answered, like
Speaker 1: the degree to which I was unhappy this time last
Speaker 1: week listening to Brian brought us in Bucky Brooks try
Speaker 1: to outline the Cowboys future without a quarterback. We don't
Speaker 1: have to listen to it anymore. I made the analogy
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, is like, it's like we can finally
Speaker 1: press play on a movie that's been paused for like
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, Like we can finally start
Speaker 1: talking about building this roster for twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: for the next few years to come, because we know
Speaker 1: it's all going to revolve around Dak Prescott. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about whether they should draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback or trading packages and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: We can just build the best team possible with the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And holy cow, is that a relief? Is
Speaker 1: there any resentment from Bucky Brooks? Sir Brian brought us
Speaker 1: on the fact that, hey, there is a franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: here and the money has been dished out because I
Speaker 1: know you guys were trying to draft Mac Jones at
Speaker 1: ten last week and that's not happening anymore. I felt
Speaker 1: like Brian brought us and I we're just having a
Speaker 1: discussion that you have to have in a wardroom. At
Speaker 1: some point. You have to prepare for all scenarios. And
Speaker 1: if Dak Prescott wasn't signed, or if he was planing
Speaker 1: on print attack, for just from a due diligent standpoint,
Speaker 1: we have to talk about the quarterback and so it's
Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to do. And
Speaker 1: with the deal coming in the way that it came in,
Speaker 1: I think one of the under reported aspects of the
Speaker 1: deal the cap space that was saved by putting him
Speaker 1: on a deal because the Cowboys, unlike a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: they're rich in cash and cash is king. And this
Speaker 1: because they could fork over sixty six million and cash,
Speaker 1: they now can reduce his cap down to twenty two million.
Speaker 1: It enables them to go out and actually shop a
Speaker 1: little bit on the free agent market, would help them
Speaker 1: build a team. Yeah, I think this is Bucky's rioting.
Speaker 1: It just took Bucky Night, you know, two hands to
Speaker 1: shove Stephen Jones into getting this deal done, and no,
Speaker 1: I'm getting it. But the thing that the thing that's
Speaker 1: interesting about it is that you start to hear the
Speaker 1: deal was done basically in one day. And I know
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of build up and all that, but
Speaker 1: it just goes to show you if you have people
Speaker 1: that are motivated to getting something done, you can get
Speaker 1: it done in this league. And this is what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys needed to have happened in order to get their
Speaker 1: offseason going. They had to get their quarterback done, you know,
Speaker 1: one way or another, whether it was signed him, the tag,
Speaker 1: play on that trade him. I mean, they had to
Speaker 1: get something done. And if you look at it, the
Speaker 1: best thing, the best scenario that could have happened for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys happened. So now you can focus on the offseason.
Speaker 1: Bucky's talking about cap space. You gotta probably have to
Speaker 1: flip a couple of contracts to get some more space,
Speaker 1: but at least you could play in this game now
Speaker 1: and then now you can worry about the draft. You
Speaker 1: can say, okay, at ten, do we need to take
Speaker 1: an offensive player a defensive player? What direction do we want, Hey, coaches,
Speaker 1: what do you think Now the Cowboys offseason can get
Speaker 1: going for real and they could work on now fixing
Speaker 1: this football team that last year was six and ten.
Speaker 1: And you make a really good point because free agency
Speaker 1: couldn't have started without knowing what kind of piece of
Speaker 1: the pie that Dak Prescott was ultimately going to take up.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have started your draft prep without thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: we might have to take a quarterback at ten rather
Speaker 1: than maybe one of these top corners like Patrick's zutan
Speaker 1: or out of Alabama or Caleb Farley Virginia Tech. And
Speaker 1: then then you have to go from there. Dad was
Speaker 1: the starting point. He was that first domino to fall, Brian,
Speaker 1: But where do they go now? Because that's the biggest
Speaker 1: question with this football team. There are a lot of spots,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it kind of over the course
Speaker 1: of the Trap Show. But now that they can actually
Speaker 1: start looking, what is the next step for this for
Speaker 1: this front office to kind of find a rhythm and
Speaker 1: find the guys that they need in order to build
Speaker 1: around their quarterback. Yeah, they have to. They've already figured
Speaker 1: out that the coaches that they had on their defensive
Speaker 1: staff weren't good enough, you know they you know that
Speaker 1: was that was number one, and you know, really shame
Speaker 1: on Mike McCarthy, And again I suck, I'm hammered him,
Speaker 1: and I guess I am. But you know, you had
Speaker 1: a whole year to put together a staff and you
Speaker 1: end up firing three coaches off his staff, you know.
Speaker 1: So now you're back to square one with the defense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be about Okay, what is Dan Quinn?
Speaker 1: What have hid the traits to characteristics? What is he
Speaker 1: looking for in his defense? You know? What is what
Speaker 1: Joe Wit? What is he looking for in the secondary?
Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen with the defensive line?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean all these things. Now the scouts
Speaker 1: have got to recalibrate in their mind, like, Okay, these
Speaker 1: are guys that I looked at earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: Maybe this guy didn't fit. Oh wait, now this guy
Speaker 1: does fit. There's a lot of that back and forth.
Speaker 1: But this is going to be a really important offseason
Speaker 1: for these defensive coaches to kind of to tell their
Speaker 1: ideas or their vision of what they want in a
Speaker 1: defensive player. You know, we talk about offensive players that
Speaker 1: seems to be okay, for the Cowboys, it's the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball that you need to kind of
Speaker 1: start to worry about again. Coaches, players finding a way
Speaker 1: to get those two things together because they can't have
Speaker 1: what happened last year to them on defense. They again,
Speaker 1: they just it was it was a mess how that
Speaker 1: all shook out last year. You know, Brian, it's funny
Speaker 1: that that you're talking about, like building around the team.
Speaker 1: I think championship teams have to have twelve blue chip
Speaker 1: players and they need to be at certain positions. Quarterback,
Speaker 1: you need a running back, wide receiver, three offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: two pass rushers, an off the ball playmaker, and then
Speaker 1: two guys in the secondary. And so when you look
Speaker 1: at this Cowboys team and you look at the way
Speaker 1: their cap has been allocated, Prescott Cooper, Elliott, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: d Law, Zach Martin. We have Jalen Smith who's making money,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's necessarily a blue chip
Speaker 1: player based on how he plays on the field. Lell
Speaker 1: Collins could be in that conversation at offensive tackle. The
Speaker 1: issues that I see would be pass rusher, safety, and
Speaker 1: either Trayvon Dix has their merged as an elite corner,
Speaker 1: or they have to draft in the league corner. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about three marquee positions that need to be
Speaker 1: feeled for this team to on paper it be considered
Speaker 1: a team that can buy for a championship. And that's honestly,
Speaker 1: that's what makes this whole thing exciting for me, is like,
Speaker 1: we finally get this dumb domino out of the way
Speaker 1: and we can have these conversations. You know, now we
Speaker 1: can begin you know, I always compare it to a roadmap.
Speaker 1: You can start to look at that map and say,
Speaker 1: all right, what are they going to do in free agency?
Speaker 1: What type of free agents does dan Quinn want to acquire?
Speaker 1: You know, are they going to go after a certain
Speaker 1: type of defensive tackle? Do they maybe bring Gerald McCoy back,
Speaker 1: or is there somebody else that they have in mind?
Speaker 1: Is can dan Quinn convince this front office to invest
Speaker 1: in a safety? And that you know, Brian said it
Speaker 1: a minute ago. Obviously you never want to speak too definitively,
Speaker 1: but offensive tackle is maybe the only offensive position that
Speaker 1: I could see this team drafting with a super high pick.
Speaker 1: Would y'all agree with that? Yes? I think less and
Speaker 1: less though that they do what they did last year. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, you can't. You don't want
Speaker 1: to say it as a blanket statement, but just in general, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so now we're talking, you know, and now that
Speaker 1: now that we've got this Dak Prescott thing out of
Speaker 1: the way, I can sit here and say, yeah, I bet,
Speaker 1: I bet Caleb Farley or Patrick's Artan is going to
Speaker 1: be the pick at ten that helps you address your secondary.
Speaker 1: Then we can move down the line. You know, how
Speaker 1: do they feel about Jayalen Smith? Can they fix him?
Speaker 1: Do they need to draft a linebacker highly? Do they
Speaker 1: sign a safety and free agency? Or do they maybe
Speaker 1: go after a Ritchie Grant or one of the guys?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to these questions,
Speaker 1: but we can start diving into it a little bit
Speaker 1: more now that we've got some clarity. Well, Dave, I
Speaker 1: want to say this, like justin thinking about your draft strategy,
Speaker 1: because I think we're so like focused on the defense.
Speaker 1: I think the best defense is a great offense. And
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Cowboys, I think if you're
Speaker 1: Mike McArthur, you're looking at your team. It takes a
Speaker 1: lot of work to build a dead defense. I don't
Speaker 1: think you would take as much work to make the
Speaker 1: offense a dominant offense where you're thinking about putting thirty
Speaker 1: points a game, and so if you build strength on strength,
Speaker 1: to me, I would go all in on trying to
Speaker 1: find an elite offensive tackle at ten, because if I
Speaker 1: have an elite offensive tackle on ten, I can leave
Speaker 1: this offense alone theoretically for a year or two and
Speaker 1: then put everything else onto the defense, because when you
Speaker 1: give Dak forty two million plus a year, you're seeing
Speaker 1: we need to start the game with thirty on the board.
Speaker 1: If we get thirty on the board, I don't need
Speaker 1: the defense to play at a top ten level. I
Speaker 1: just need you to be middle of the pack pass rushers, interceptions,
Speaker 1: those things. And so it just depends on if Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and those guys can say, if we're gonna play
Speaker 1: complimentary football, the best way for us to play complimentary
Speaker 1: football is let the offense go and then we'll just
Speaker 1: play from ahead on defense, much like the Kenzie the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have been able to do. And the way that
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is coming into the defense, you would hope
Speaker 1: that he goes from a thirty second round defense or
Speaker 1: a thirty first ranked defense and puts the middle of
Speaker 1: the pack. You don't need that top ten caliber. Like
Speaker 1: you said, Bucky and Dave, I think I kind of
Speaker 1: leaned more toward what Bucky saying rather than what you
Speaker 1: just said of since the Dack deal is done, you
Speaker 1: could look at corner. I think since the Dack deal
Speaker 1: is done, it puts more emphasis in trying to protect
Speaker 1: him and protect the assets that you have on offense.
Speaker 1: It's not just Dak. It's the money with Zeke, it's
Speaker 1: the money with Cooper, it's the tight ends, it's the
Speaker 1: it's the wide receiving corps that's been impressive, and then
Speaker 1: of course the offensive line that you've built in the past.
Speaker 1: So don't you think that the Dack deal might even
Speaker 1: lead more so to being enticing to taking a tackle
Speaker 1: or a guy like rashauns Later out of Northwestern up
Speaker 1: at that tenth pick. I've done this long enough. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're not gonna get me to
Speaker 1: say one hundred percent yes or one hundred percent no.
Speaker 1: You got to weigh these things on a case by
Speaker 1: case basis. What fun is that? I come on, stop it, man,
Speaker 1: stop it. Heaven Opinion stop it. Neither one of you
Speaker 1: have ever neither one of you would have ever predicted
Speaker 1: that Ceedee Lamb would fall to seventeen. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta do this stuff. Case by case.
Speaker 1: I think I am much higher. I'm much higher on
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins being okay this season than
Speaker 1: a lot of other people are. And that doesn't I'm
Speaker 1: not saying ignore the depth at the position. That's not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm saying, Uh, you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: draft that guy in the second or the third ground
Speaker 1: you knowing, Hey, fine, I mean if you if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, I mean, if we're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: we might roll Brennon night and tern sill out there
Speaker 1: and see the thing. Oh stayed three agent, We're toss
Speaker 1: a fifty pig and test position. Stop. That's shopping to
Speaker 1: sales rereg like, go and get a guy if we're
Speaker 1: gonna get what we're talking about an opportunity to take
Speaker 1: one to the the top two. So you guys, you're telling
Speaker 1: me has been hurt every year? Every year is Gary
Speaker 1: See like the first and the fifteenth you get a paychecks. True,
Speaker 1: he is going to miss four or five games. At
Speaker 1: some point, we gotta get a tackle. There's a big
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between missing three games, which is
Speaker 1: what he usually misses, and missing the entire season. And
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me. You're trying to tell me
Speaker 1: if I can get one of those corners at ten
Speaker 1: and then draft and Alex Leatherwood at forty four, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's not good enough. It's a it's a bigger difference.
Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys are the only team in the league
Speaker 1: that has to have a first rounder at every position
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. We're like, they're like the only
Speaker 1: team where you can let's trying. Why is that? Don't skip?
Speaker 1: Don't don't skip because you shouldn't need a blue chip
Speaker 1: player at every position on the offensive line to have
Speaker 1: a good offense. That just I think it works out days.
Speaker 1: You could say the same too. You can say the
Speaker 1: same thing. So you can appreciate your block form upfront
Speaker 1: this year, that'd be nice for him. He'd appreciate yet
Speaker 1: that y'all are y'all are insane? Hey, if they draft,
Speaker 1: if they draft for Sean Slater or Penay Sewel, I
Speaker 1: won't I will not dislike that pick. But the idea
Speaker 1: that they absolutely have to is ridiculous. So here here,
Speaker 1: here's the difference. Like, here's what you do in the comparison,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about cluster busters in the like. What
Speaker 1: you want to do is what is the separation between
Speaker 1: Certien Caleb Farley and the next tier of corners versus
Speaker 1: what is the separation between the offensive tackles Penay Seul
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater and the second tier of offensive tackles. Typically
Speaker 1: there's a bigger drop off and offensive tackles. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that you can find a corner anywhere, but you
Speaker 1: can find a corner anywhere. We're celebrating dray Bon Dix.
Speaker 1: He was a second round pick, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it is not as it's not as if
Speaker 1: any of these corners in the draft, or Dion Sanders
Speaker 1: or Jalen Ramsay or anything like that. So if it's close,
Speaker 1: you go to the big guy, because you can find
Speaker 1: a guy that you can put out there and play
Speaker 1: at corner. I think that's a really simplified idea of
Speaker 1: how hard it is to find good corners play in
Speaker 1: this league. I mean, I know Richard Sherman was you know,
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. But like, how many top tier
Speaker 1: cornerbacks fall out of the first thirty or forty picks
Speaker 1: in the draft? Okay, so let me so so so
Speaker 1: let me teach you this. Would you want Damon Arnette
Speaker 1: to play corner here's a first round pick? Oh? I mean,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. We all think that was really weird,
Speaker 1: like the Raiders do. We have Raider stuff every year.
Speaker 1: I just know he's a first round pick, like first
Speaker 1: round picks that we're talking about. C. J. Harris wrote that,
Speaker 1: or I don't want to say just just guys, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I think that position, that position
Speaker 1: is much easier to find in a premiere offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I would invest in the bigs more so than the locals. Well,
Speaker 1: I ask you questions in real quick here, because you
Speaker 1: do find work with Daniel Jeremiah old you know, old scout,
Speaker 1: old guy. You know. He thought is that there's a
Speaker 1: huge drop off between the top corners and the next
Speaker 1: tier of corners. And I mean he was talking about
Speaker 1: this on Peter King's podcast thing. He was saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, offensive tackles all look good, which to your
Speaker 1: point is right. But he's saying, if you don't draft
Speaker 1: a corner early, you're not going to get a good corner.
Speaker 1: Do you disagree with him on that? Yeah? I disagree.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I disagree because I think corner ability a
Speaker 1: lot is predicated on scheme. I think if you have
Speaker 1: a very clear view of how you want to play,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that the separating factors are so vast
Speaker 1: that you can't find a guy. So if we can
Speaker 1: project how this team is going to play based on
Speaker 1: what they did in Atlanta, the corners that you need
Speaker 1: are one of two. They need to be long, they
Speaker 1: need to be ranging, and they can be man to
Speaker 1: man guys or they can be his own guys because
Speaker 1: they could build a lot. It just depends. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Greg Newsom from Northwestern being guy like
Speaker 1: whether he's in the first round or whatever. But think
Speaker 1: about the amount of name that we have listed at
Speaker 1: corner that we talked about ast Samuel, we talked about
Speaker 1: the Colman kid from George, I mean the guys I
Speaker 1: mean like so to me, it's easier to find those
Speaker 1: athletes to figure out how to play versus the big guys,
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is predicated on who's your
Speaker 1: secondary coach. Do you have a secondary coach that is
Speaker 1: an X and o's guy, or he's a teacher. Joe
Speaker 1: Witt is a teacher developer type, and so if you
Speaker 1: can have someone that you can bring it, I think
Speaker 1: you can play with one of those younger guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was just curious, though Beside's curious because you know, Danny,
Speaker 1: I have the utmost respect for the work you guys do.
Speaker 1: I have the most respect for everybody that sits down
Speaker 1: and watches his tape and has an opinion on this.
Speaker 1: I did. I thought it was interesting because I tend
Speaker 1: to agree with you, Bucky on I don't want to
Speaker 1: reach for a corner. But I'll tell you what I
Speaker 1: feel better about corners in that second and third round
Speaker 1: then I do than offensive tackles in the second or
Speaker 1: third round. So if you were if you told me
Speaker 1: I have to address I have to address the offensive
Speaker 1: tackle position because of what I think is going You
Speaker 1: know what could happen with Tyrn Smith. You know Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins the hip and all that. I understand what you're
Speaker 1: going with right there. I mean that that is a
Speaker 1: hard position to find, but I do think I don't
Speaker 1: agree with Daniel either. I think that this thing could
Speaker 1: stretch a little bit better at corner. So if you
Speaker 1: did mean me personally, I'd love taking Pits. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he is a weapon. You want to start
Speaker 1: talking about putting pressure on it. That's where I mean.
Speaker 1: That's putting pressure on people. That is putting some serious
Speaker 1: pressure on people. And even Daniel yesterday on a tweet
Speaker 1: he was saying, hey, give me the guy you think
Speaker 1: could be a Hall of Fame player in ten years.
Speaker 1: He did, Pits would start thinking, oh, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: go maybe he's stupid like me. Then you know that
Speaker 1: he likes this guy. But I'm just saying though that
Speaker 1: I think that to me, the corner position stretches a
Speaker 1: little bit better than what the tackle position. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to reach for a
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't if you don't feel
Speaker 1: good about those early corners. If you don't, then the
Speaker 1: safe pick is to go with the offensive lineman. Let
Speaker 1: me say something that's really gonna piss y'all off the Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my turn to, it's my turn to, it's my
Speaker 1: turn this. Wow, you don't wanna you like, you don't
Speaker 1: want to draft for need, right, but just think about
Speaker 1: what this team is positioned to handle. Okay, you got
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Lyle Cole. Yeah they're healthy, maybe they're
Speaker 1: not healthy if that doesn't happen. Uh, You've got Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: who proved he can do that if he needs to
Speaker 1: at a decent level. You've also got these two deve
Speaker 1: elemental guys who weren't amazing, Terrence Steele and Brandon Knight,
Speaker 1: but like, you feel good they're on your team and
Speaker 1: they can come in and compete and continue to develop
Speaker 1: as players. And then maybe you add a draft pick
Speaker 1: to that that seems like a decent amount of help
Speaker 1: at the offensive tackle position. Whereas right now, we'll see
Speaker 1: what they do in free agency, but we know they're
Speaker 1: not going to spend a ton of money. So you
Speaker 1: got Treyvon Diggs, you got Anthony Brown, and then you
Speaker 1: got a whole lot of not inspiring stuff between young players.
Speaker 1: And you know, Maurice Kennedy's coming back, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's a career special teams guy. Like you don't have
Speaker 1: anybody that you can count on to handle their job.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, and I'm saying, though, to me, if
Speaker 1: you're the cabist, and I hate riding the fence on this,
Speaker 1: but you know I do. I do. I understand what
Speaker 1: Bucky's saying about your investment at quarterback, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to need the quarterback too to make some plays when
Speaker 1: it's not perfect, you know, when everything up. But I
Speaker 1: also want to be able to say, if I could
Speaker 1: take the best cornerback in this draft, if I could
Speaker 1: get the best one, yeah, I mean, I'm all for it,
Speaker 1: but I I do. I like, I don't think you
Speaker 1: could go wrong with either spot. I really don't. I like,
Speaker 1: there's a coward answer. It's all right, absolutely right, No,
Speaker 1: you're right. It is a coward answer. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a completely coward answer. But to me, if to me,
Speaker 1: if you told me I could get Farley, yes I'm in.
Speaker 1: But if you tell me I gotta get Sir Tan,
Speaker 1: who I have Horn over? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm the one guy in this whole
Speaker 1: world that likes Horn other than his mom. And I
Speaker 1: like Horn a lot. I think he needs to be
Speaker 1: in that top three conversation as well. Bron I like,
Speaker 1: I think I think the three of them are closely
Speaker 1: lumped together. I think, what has happened. We have blown
Speaker 1: up Caleb Farley to mythical proportions. Like I know he
Speaker 1: didn't play last year like, but I feel like and
Speaker 1: if we go back and we really look at how
Speaker 1: he played, Look, he's a solid player. I know people
Speaker 1: talk about the speed or whatever on tape. I actually
Speaker 1: had questions about his ability to recover and play down
Speaker 1: the field. Also, when you go back and you think
Speaker 1: about Virginia Tech corners and how they're deployed. I know
Speaker 1: he's a boundary corner, but he's a bigger guy who
Speaker 1: prefers to play off and so he makes some plays.
Speaker 1: But it's not like he is a ball magnet with
Speaker 1: a ton of interceptions that is making play after play
Speaker 1: after play after play. When I think about Okay, JC Horn,
Speaker 1: passer ten and Caleb far they have them in one lump.
Speaker 1: When I look at Elijah Molden, I think I can
Speaker 1: make a case for Elijah Malden's then not only be
Speaker 1: the best knuckle, but that's a starting position in today's game.
Speaker 1: I think about Melifonu, who is long and range, you
Speaker 1: who appears to fit what the new norm at corner
Speaker 1: would be Tyson Campbell, Eric Stokes. Like, there are a
Speaker 1: ton of guys that we're going to be sitting there
Speaker 1: because here's what happened in the draft. We talk about
Speaker 1: all these names and we're gonna be looking in the
Speaker 1: second round and there's gonna be a clump of players
Speaker 1: that are really good players and we'll be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: Like I know, we mocked him to be in the
Speaker 1: first round. Everybody can't go on the first round. They're
Speaker 1: going to be some athletes and available in the second round. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, and you mentioned we talked about Newsom. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the two. I think the two organ kids
Speaker 1: can play, you know. I mean, yeah, there's there's going
Speaker 1: to be a listen. That's where again, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah about the fall off because I think
Speaker 1: those guys are all kind of right there with each other.
Speaker 1: So my point is, if you told me we had
Speaker 1: to take a tackle and it's like it came down
Speaker 1: to a tackle or certan I'm going to tackle, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the tackle right there, because I'll say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take my chances of the quality
Speaker 1: in the second round at forty four with one of
Speaker 1: those guys that I like just as much. That's what
Speaker 1: everybody think of. Brian's on the offensive tackle train. He's
Speaker 1: on the offensive tackle train. Bro. I just know. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy, this kid is gonna have to play guard. Yes, you,
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to play guard. He's gonna play guard.
Speaker 1: I mean, g guess who plays left guard? Elijah Vera Tucker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, is absolutely right about that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: to me, I am saying no, no, but if you,
Speaker 1: if you told me, I could get one of those
Speaker 1: top tackles and move Slater inside for a year or
Speaker 1: whatever to figure things out by by all means, but
Speaker 1: I could said, given if it's and maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of the whore love and the Farley love. I'll
Speaker 1: admit that I'm looking. Look, I like him. I'm not
Speaker 1: disparaging Farley look, boundary, zone, skills, instincts, awareness. I wrote
Speaker 1: down into about of my nose Seattle Atlanta system, which
Speaker 1: is how the Cowboys want to play. The one thing
Speaker 1: I wrote down questions about speed. Is he a true
Speaker 1: number one corner? That that was my big thing. I
Speaker 1: like the toolbox and all that other stuff. I just wondered,
Speaker 1: is he a top ten dog at one? Because they
Speaker 1: did you put this? Did you put the same note
Speaker 1: for Certain? Did you say what? What was your same
Speaker 1: note about Certain? Because if you didn't say that, then
Speaker 1: now I'm really questioned in you, which I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: If I didn't say, I'm just curious, Like I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: what did you what did you think Certain can run? No?
Speaker 1: I think I had the same thing. My question with
Speaker 1: all Alabama corners are how fast are they? I think
Speaker 1: they did a great job of playing within the system.
Speaker 1: They understand exactly how to do it. But I had
Speaker 1: questions about Diggs last year in terms of his long speed.
Speaker 1: That's that's fair, That's fair. I think for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I think they end up having i Q guys on
Speaker 1: the perimeter more so than the explosive athletes. I think
Speaker 1: Ohio State might put a greater premium on the dynamic
Speaker 1: athletes to play outside. So all I know is I've
Speaker 1: never seen so many people just trying to complete And
Speaker 1: it pains me to say this about it Alabama. I
Speaker 1: don't like Alabama, but like so many people just want
Speaker 1: to dis credit a guy for holding down half the
Speaker 1: field at the best program in America for three years.
Speaker 1: Like I'm if, I'm absolutely fine with that. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's just crediting him at all. I Oh, everybody's
Speaker 1: looking for a reason why actually that good? Like if
Speaker 1: they don't. And I like Caleb, I like Farley a lot,
Speaker 1: and I even I like jac Horne as well. But like,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a classic case of like people
Speaker 1: get tired of talking about the same guy. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: do we have to talk about Patrick Curtan again, because
Speaker 1: there's nothing else to talk about. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: I think people go out of their way to poke
Speaker 1: holes in his game. Yeah, I think I have curtain
Speaker 1: over Farley because I think Sir Tan plays the game. Obviously,
Speaker 1: some of this is his dad's influence in seeing how
Speaker 1: his dad has played. I think he has a natural
Speaker 1: knack to being able to read and understand routes and
Speaker 1: the way that he plays. I think he plays like
Speaker 1: a prom. I think there's a I think there's a
Speaker 1: separation though, between jac Horn. I think jac Horn may
Speaker 1: be the most dynamic of them all in terms of
Speaker 1: the fism, but I also think that he's probably the
Speaker 1: most undisciplined of them all too. I think there's a
Speaker 1: wider various in his boom bus plays compared to what
Speaker 1: the other guys may bring on a down by down basis.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's want you want, you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just looking for the safe guy, then, Bucky, is
Speaker 1: that what you're telling me? You're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: getting a hit. So I'm a base I'm a basis.
Speaker 1: I'm a baseball player hard, and I know you can
Speaker 1: win a lot of games hitting doubles. You hit singles
Speaker 1: and doubles, you can win a lot of games. You
Speaker 1: don't have to doubles. What on earth? What on earth
Speaker 1: is wrong with a safe pick? Like, there's nothing wrong,
Speaker 1: there's nothing saying no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that. Like Certan is almost boring to watch
Speaker 1: play because he's good, that's my good player. People are
Speaker 1: just bored. They're like, oh, I'm tired of talking about
Speaker 1: this really good corner from Alabama. Let's let's do something
Speaker 1: crazy instead. I don't. He won't tell you, buck, he
Speaker 1: won't tell you about his speed because he's got to
Speaker 1: miss this number one guy. That's why one No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: but I got that even But but I said the
Speaker 1: same thing about Caleb Farley, spe like you don't how
Speaker 1: are you necessarily Farley? But what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with Caleb Farley if he runs four three? And I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into this, by the way, are we
Speaker 1: gonna get influenced by what guys run when we start
Speaker 1: getting these real times from pro days? Our opinions going
Speaker 1: to Well, I had Sirtan up here and it happened
Speaker 1: to the Mississippi State kid last year watching that tape
Speaker 1: that yeah, we're watching that kid play that. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden he ran four to five eight. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess we got to drop him down a couple of rounds, now,
Speaker 1: don't we. No? I mean I will be greatly influenced
Speaker 1: because I would say this. I would expect him to
Speaker 1: run fast. He hasn't done anything but trained four years.
Speaker 1: I mean I would expect him to be at his best.
Speaker 1: He's trained for three hundred and sixty five days to
Speaker 1: run a forty. If he can't clock a track time now,
Speaker 1: he'll never be able to clock it. But if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch him on tape, and let's just say,
Speaker 1: is the acc of Vontik Conference is when it comes
Speaker 1: to producing high end wide receivers like Elside of Clemson,
Speaker 1: Like who, what are we really talking about? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. My god, my game and North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying when we match up and we
Speaker 1: watch him, we're watching him versus guys that are Okay,
Speaker 1: where Sir Tam would be challenged by more pro players
Speaker 1: on tape than what Kill Farley has challenged on a week,
Speaker 1: week by week basis. That kind of that ties into
Speaker 1: my point for sure. I mean, you know, if you
Speaker 1: watch enough Pats or Tan like he gets beat by guys.
Speaker 1: Of course he does, but it's weird to me that
Speaker 1: we ding Patrick Certan for going against the Jamar Chases
Speaker 1: of the world, you know, whereas Yeah, i mean, you
Speaker 1: know Farley has an easier time. I think that's fair
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, I mean, Clemson's put out a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of good NFL receivers, but not very
Speaker 1: many other schools. Yeah, that conference for North Carolina is
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean, I'm just saying, there's not many
Speaker 1: guys in the conference. There's not many guys. Not many guys.
Speaker 1: Wait for US Ancy State, there there's nothing Georgia Tech, Like,
Speaker 1: who are we really guarding? I'm conservatively, Brian, I think
Speaker 1: you can go out of there in the corner with
Speaker 1: the eight or nine yard cushion and you probably can
Speaker 1: hold it down to hold people to a fifth rate.
Speaker 1: It's not that hard in the acc Yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, hey, Bucky, I was cooking crawfish
Speaker 1: the other day to la about blew my background. Man,
Speaker 1: he's trying to set you up against some some Division
Speaker 1: one receivers. Yeah, the A SEC. It's not. It's not
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Irvin and uh Calvin Johnson out there anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's it's it's not that kind of competition.
Speaker 1: Respect for that at no respect at all that at
Speaker 1: well kid from Louisville that can run, I mean, and
Speaker 1: so I have respect. I have respect for him and Patrick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, there you go.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought you learned better about the
Speaker 1: you and the little guy fascination. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't little little dude, little dude run around the little
Speaker 1: guy the little guy thing. I'm coming around, because what's
Speaker 1: happening is every time I killed the little guy, he
Speaker 1: ends up making the Pro Bowl or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just Fucky pro bowler, eyes Bucky, open
Speaker 1: your eyes. Man. This is a little game. This is
Speaker 1: a different game, and what we learned it is a
Speaker 1: different breed because what was the different in draft terms?
Speaker 1: Yea and draft Watch that Watch that kid it Purdue.
Speaker 1: Watch that kid Purdue come in this league and blow everybody.
Speaker 1: If more, if run no more. Yeah, I'm just telling you, man,
Speaker 1: there's somebody about it. The way this game's going, there's something. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I know Kyle's probably dying to go to break,
Speaker 1: but like the conversation, does it I'll be quick. Does
Speaker 1: it remind you of twenties? Can you? Well, yeah, you
Speaker 1: keep cutting me off, jackass. Does this remind you of
Speaker 1: Does this remind you of twenty seventeen at all? In
Speaker 1: the sense that you know the Cowboys had that strategy
Speaker 1: where you know, the first round was long on pass rushers.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know they got the pick wrong, but they
Speaker 1: let the cornerback position stretch into Day two and they
Speaker 1: got Jordan Lewis and Cheetoh. I mean, is that what
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me that you know, you get
Speaker 1: the more talent rich guy in the top ten and
Speaker 1: you can still find some cornerbacks later. Because I don't
Speaker 1: know what I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta pick the right players now,
Speaker 1: I mean like yeah, I mean, I mean like that
Speaker 1: disparaged the people who picked Taco Chard, But I never
Speaker 1: felt like he was a guy like that, and I
Speaker 1: would be worried of Michigan guy in the room. They
Speaker 1: felt the same way too, Bucky. Yeah, yeah, like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't think like and I would be worried of
Speaker 1: the guy who's coming out now, Quitty Pey, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not supposed to scout the helmet, but let's
Speaker 1: let's be honest. The guys that have come out of there, Chase, Winnipitch, Rashid,
Speaker 1: Gary Um, Taco then we talked about pretty much bad
Speaker 1: Hutchinson might not be bad. Yeah, but they don't they
Speaker 1: don't get the quarterback down. Yeah, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They remind me of Penn State corners. So I'm just
Speaker 1: curious about how many cornerbacks you would feel good about
Speaker 1: drafting at say, let's say forty four, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: whether that's you know. I've brought up Tyson Campbell a lot.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll take that's why we've taken off at you
Speaker 1: tackle it and I'm saying so, but you what I'm
Speaker 1: asking is like you feel good about that depth of position,
Speaker 1: because I don't know that I do, like I feel
Speaker 1: I feel much better about corners stad for everybody else.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for everybody else. I feel.
Speaker 1: I'm i'm i'm I'm fine with that. I am fine
Speaker 1: with the corner. I'm parked out there because worst case,
Speaker 1: what you do is you park Anthony Brown out dud.
Speaker 1: You bring in a guy who can play nickel. I
Speaker 1: think you can. You can run it back. I think
Speaker 1: it's easier to find those guys that we can move
Speaker 1: inside and kind of play around and do all that
Speaker 1: other stuff. I would prefer to have the Cowboys going
Speaker 1: thirty to thirty five points a game and the other
Speaker 1: team is forced to throw and we're playing soft zone
Speaker 1: and making them kick field goals like I want to
Speaker 1: dominate on offense. I also don't think if you took
Speaker 1: a corner early, he took them at ten. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's out of the question that you also take
Speaker 1: one in the second or the third round either because
Speaker 1: of the depth of position. I think they double dip
Speaker 1: at corner any fact, And if you're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: then you might as well have a premium player at
Speaker 1: a different position that you've already invested in, like offensive tackle. Hey, Cal,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did that, because if we were in
Speaker 1: the draft room and I saw Dave Hellman over there pouting,
Speaker 1: what I would do as I say, here's what we do.
Speaker 1: We'll take corners in the second, third, and the seventh
Speaker 1: round to appease you, to make sure that we get
Speaker 1: the corner, to make sure that you feel good about that.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to take the offensive tackle. So I
Speaker 1: feel great, and I'm gonna let you have Christmas the
Speaker 1: rest of the draft you want. I'm not pouting. If
Speaker 1: they drafted a shots later. I think that's a perfectly
Speaker 1: good thing. I think that's a great I think y'all
Speaker 1: are just y'all are just drafting scared. Y'all are just
Speaker 1: drafting scared, that's all I feel like. I feel like
Speaker 1: you're drafting scared. I feel like it's the first If
Speaker 1: you're gonna just take the kneel and take the player.
Speaker 1: Take take the better player, y'all. And also, I'm not
Speaker 1: scared watching Terrence Knight play tackle last year. Terry Terrence
Speaker 1: how many? How many guys? Yeah, that's good because they
Speaker 1: both played. Yeah, just the one missmash. So here's something
Speaker 1: to look at, Dave, Like, we have to build it
Speaker 1: to win a division. They're more pass rushers in this
Speaker 1: division than wide receivers. That's so they're more pet We
Speaker 1: gotta deal with Chase Young and what the Washington football
Speaker 1: team has. You still got to deal with the Eagles
Speaker 1: and Brandon Graham and those guys. The Giants are good
Speaker 1: up front. None of those teams outside of Terry Lauren,
Speaker 1: who's the other scary receiver that's not on the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: there isn't one. Like if you're just saying, we have
Speaker 1: to win a division to get into the playoffs, the
Speaker 1: strategy makes gonna be a good player. He might, he
Speaker 1: might be. Still what I'm saying right now, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not saying, oh my gosh, how are we going
Speaker 1: to and watch how are we going to defend Jalen Rayger, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not that the only guy in the division outside
Speaker 1: of who's on the Cowboys would be Terry mc lauren, Well,
Speaker 1: but what we gotta watch guys now is and Bucky
Speaker 1: that narrative works now, but watch what happens. I can
Speaker 1: go by now and watch the giants and watch them
Speaker 1: all start. Yeah, you're right right now. That's a great narrative.
Speaker 1: Major boy taking the break. Yeah, I think that's probably
Speaker 1: a good idea. Of twenty minutes. We're gonna be We're
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Raft Show. Well, now that we've we've
Speaker 1: completely blown up our draft board and completely redone everything
Speaker 1: that we've talked about on this show for the previous
Speaker 1: twenty one episodes. We're going to continue on into our
Speaker 1: second segment on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomen's alongside Bucky Brooks. Brian brought us David Hellman
Speaker 1: Chris Beam in the back. Where it's time now for
Speaker 1: some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty. There
Speaker 1: it is as always Chris Beam doing work, and it
Speaker 1: is Twitter on the twenty even though it's ten forty.
Speaker 1: But we're still going to get these questions in regardless
Speaker 1: on this show because there's some really good ones and
Speaker 1: a lot of them that we need to get to.
Speaker 1: We need to just start answering a lot of these
Speaker 1: on Twitter just to get these across. Okay, starting off
Speaker 1: with let's go with Ernie and he sounds, actually, no,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what we just talked about and talking
Speaker 1: about offensive tackle. Okay, let's go with Jeff. He says,
Speaker 1: now that Reggie Robinson has been moved back to corner
Speaker 1: which is what the report was last week out of
Speaker 1: the Star, Does that mean that cornerback is not as
Speaker 1: much of a need in the draft or do they
Speaker 1: not have to double down. We just talked about doubling
Speaker 1: down at corner. I still think it's a huge possibility,
Speaker 1: but Brian, because of Reggie Robinson maybe being back at
Speaker 1: that spot, and you think it takes a little bit
Speaker 1: of the pressure off, well at least gives him another body,
Speaker 1: you know, and we all kind of we all evaluated
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson as a long range corner out of Tulsa,
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, it's unfortunately he came into training camp
Speaker 1: last year. I remember watching practices and thinking, this poor
Speaker 1: kid's lost. You know, he doesn't look like he really
Speaker 1: knows what he needs to do where he needs to
Speaker 1: be played. Some games at the end of the year
Speaker 1: on special teams actually showed up pretty well. So I
Speaker 1: think the move back to corner will be more natural
Speaker 1: for him, and Bucky will explain to you that, hey,
Speaker 1: these guys like those types of players long range Robinson
Speaker 1: will probably be a pretty good fit. As we talked
Speaker 1: about for forty minutes there, cornerback is still something you
Speaker 1: have to address. Yeah, I don't think you know what
Speaker 1: a position because of Reggie Robinson. If he develops and
Speaker 1: becomes a guy that can become a contributor. Great, but
Speaker 1: I think you still have to draft with getting a
Speaker 1: starter in mind. And so I think he throws it,
Speaker 1: he gets into the mix, he competes, but I think
Speaker 1: you still have to put more ammunition into position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I am, I AM excited at the thought
Speaker 1: that there that they would move him back. I was
Speaker 1: kind of disappointed they tried to move him to safety
Speaker 1: in the first place, but he still played. He played
Speaker 1: one defensive snap last year, and I mean, if if
Speaker 1: he develops, that's awesome. It just makes you that much better.
Speaker 1: But you know, I say this all the time, like
Speaker 1: the top one hundred is where you're getting guys that
Speaker 1: are going to start and make plays for you. Every
Speaker 1: everything else is just gravy. It's similar, very similar to Bradley,
Speaker 1: and I like, am I am I excited for what
Speaker 1: he might be able to do in year two. Absolutely
Speaker 1: do I feel like I'm set at defensive end because
Speaker 1: I found Bradley and I in the fifth round, no chance.
Speaker 1: So Reggie Robinson was at one twenty three year when
Speaker 1: he was taken out of Tulsa, So he's outside of
Speaker 1: that top one hundred. But not by a lot, and
Speaker 1: I still think he has enough to come up and
Speaker 1: play significant snaps at the position, especially whenever you're as
Speaker 1: thin as they are there. But like you said, in
Speaker 1: terms of saying that we don't need to look at
Speaker 1: that position as much, I don't know if Freddie Robinson's
Speaker 1: really kind of a swinging factor there. This is a
Speaker 1: good question from Patrick Drew and this is from all
Speaker 1: the way in Melbourne, Australia, across the world from where
Speaker 1: we are, so I love that international listeners shout out
Speaker 1: to you, but Twitter on the twenty question. Assuming the
Speaker 1: Cowboys go corner at ten and David Hellman gets his way,
Speaker 1: realistic options for tackle and linebacker at forty four, who
Speaker 1: are some of the names that we would potentially be
Speaker 1: talking about there, mister Hellman? Oh well, I I think
Speaker 1: I brought him up in the first segment. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I love the idea of finding Alex Leatherwood at
Speaker 1: forty four. Y'all tell me if you think that's realistic.
Speaker 1: Brian also was talking about Notre Dame guy Leah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are a couple names, and then there was one more.
Speaker 1: Oh um, actually a guy that I feel like we
Speaker 1: haven't really said his name a lot. But what about
Speaker 1: Sam Cosmi out of Texas as well? Which is why?
Speaker 1: So I mean there are guys and again it's important
Speaker 1: to note you're picking in the top ten of every round.
Speaker 1: So is it a guarantee that that those guys will
Speaker 1: fall to you know? But I feel good that there
Speaker 1: would be a talented option there, particularly at pick forty four.
Speaker 1: I don't know about letting it stretch all the way
Speaker 1: to the third round, but maybe pick forty four. But yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about linebacker m A. Chasti Rot from North Carolina
Speaker 1: would be in the mix. I think Jabiro Cox from
Speaker 1: LSU would be in the mix because I think they
Speaker 1: need one of those kind of linebackers. I think speed
Speaker 1: is at a premium. I think the linebacker composition will
Speaker 1: look a little bit different than it had been in
Speaker 1: recent years. I think you will see guys that are
Speaker 1: a little smaller but a lot faster, because that's a
Speaker 1: big part of how this defense gets down. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think I hope I don't butcher this kid's name.
Speaker 1: Another kid the Cameron mcgroan from Michigan. The linebacker. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have looked at him at all.
Speaker 1: But that's a six one, two hundred thirty five pound
Speaker 1: guy played with a busted hand part of the season.
Speaker 1: But if you watch his tape Minnesota, Indiana, this is
Speaker 1: an active guy that can really really run. Not a
Speaker 1: lot went well for Michigan last year, but he was
Speaker 1: one of the I thought one of their better defensive players.
Speaker 1: Number forty four for the Wolverines, but downhill player can
Speaker 1: really run, kind of work his way through trash. There's
Speaker 1: some linebackers that, like I say that the guys were
Speaker 1: saying smaller guys that can run. I think that's what
Speaker 1: the pre wreck was going to be for this defense.
Speaker 1: Well I got real quick, Kyle. Sorry. But another guy
Speaker 1: that I always forget about. What do y'all think about
Speaker 1: Tevin Jenkins out of Oklahoma State? Oh? Yeah, see, I've
Speaker 1: seen people I know, Yeah, I've known some people have
Speaker 1: seen him. I didn't want to mention it because I've
Speaker 1: got him personally in the second round myself, but I
Speaker 1: know people have talked about him potentially as a first
Speaker 1: round guy, and so I don't know if he gets
Speaker 1: to you at forty four, but I kind of had
Speaker 1: I kind of had him and the notre Dame Kid
Speaker 1: in that mix right there together. Leatherwood was in that
Speaker 1: mix two of my second round offensive tackles. Those are
Speaker 1: the guys I hope that could stretch to you at
Speaker 1: forty four if you're going that route. I like Baron
Speaker 1: Browning too. If we're gonna talk linebacker, I say I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. And he's a Texas born player
Speaker 1: played down the street and at Kennadale High School here
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. I've seen him the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you talk about a player that plays hetty,
Speaker 1: that's that's smart. He's in the right spot and then
Speaker 1: he finishes through tackles. That's a guy that I really
Speaker 1: liked on film ultimately of being able to show out
Speaker 1: and really kind of ended up being really the captain
Speaker 1: of that Ohio State defense last year that made a
Speaker 1: run to the National Championship Game and had U some
Speaker 1: even though it was a short season. He had highlights
Speaker 1: into to impress me there. Uh, next question from John
Speaker 1: Nelson out of he's also across the pond, he's in
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. No, Yeah, that's our guy. Yeah. Nello's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I love love him. On Twitter, he says is there
Speaker 1: any position outside of corner that you would double dip
Speaker 1: in in this draft ran quarterback. No, I'm just no,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's an interesting I wonder if
Speaker 1: you would double dip at safety, you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: if you would find a way to say, okay, go
Speaker 1: grab you a free and then go grab you somebody
Speaker 1: that could be as strong, and then use those two
Speaker 1: guys maybe if you because on a rotation of four,
Speaker 1: you think it like you know, Donovan Wilson, Okay, do
Speaker 1: they go sign a veteran guy, Get a veteran I
Speaker 1: mean a legitimate veteran guy, not a guy that's just
Speaker 1: you know, we get into camp and then they cut
Speaker 1: him after the third practice, like a legitimate player, And
Speaker 1: then would you maybe look at because to me, I
Speaker 1: think there's some really fascinating players at that safety spot,
Speaker 1: especially at the strong and the free, where you could
Speaker 1: kind of interchange or use both of them to be
Speaker 1: part of the four. So I keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the on the safety spot for sure. You know, Brian,
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because you would like to have
Speaker 1: flexibility in the back end where you could sometimes player
Speaker 1: a traditional nickel or what they call a big nickel
Speaker 1: where you have three safeties on the field, and that
Speaker 1: third nickel is almost kind of like that quasi linebacker
Speaker 1: the Florida State kid hams A Nasa Radee. He would
Speaker 1: be interesting me, Naza Redeine. He would be interesting as
Speaker 1: the Canoe Neil type player to drop down in the
Speaker 1: box too, like you can drive Downovan Wilson. Maybe he
Speaker 1: has enough pop and thump to be able to be that,
Speaker 1: but maybe you want another bigger guy that can come
Speaker 1: down and be the low guy here with this stuff.
Speaker 1: A guy you're talking about there too is Sherwood from
Speaker 1: from Auburn is another one of those guys, big guy,
Speaker 1: physical player. You see him you watch the Georgia game
Speaker 1: and stuff. He's playing down they got him playing in coverage,
Speaker 1: they got him doing some of that stuff. Another kid
Speaker 1: I liked a lot too is and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys do Gillespie from from Missouri is a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy could kind of see as
Speaker 1: you watch that Alabama game and he is flying downhill
Speaker 1: and are hurry hitting people, knock at people playing in
Speaker 1: coverage and stuff like that. If you're gonna double at
Speaker 1: a spot though, man, maybe there's maybe you could kind
Speaker 1: of fix this thing with a couple of the picks
Speaker 1: at the right at the right spot the interest. Another
Speaker 1: guy we never talked about it would be the Cisco
Speaker 1: kid from Syracuse. You just never talked about him. His
Speaker 1: name should be in the conversation because he's another safety
Speaker 1: and that day two rains that could come in and
Speaker 1: help immediately. He's he's got a lot of the tools
Speaker 1: that you would want in a starting safety, but he
Speaker 1: gives up so many big plays on film and he
Speaker 1: gets beat a lot, and I think he'll fall because
Speaker 1: of that. So if you wanted to take a flyer
Speaker 1: on a guy in the third round, then he's there.
Speaker 1: If he makes it to the third round, that might
Speaker 1: be still too low for him. But if he makes
Speaker 1: it to the third and he's there at seventy five,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm out of the I don't think
Speaker 1: he would be out of the running as my favorite
Speaker 1: bit in the third round if he's there because of
Speaker 1: the physical tools that he has. Now, speaking of physical tools,
Speaker 1: I've got a question specifically for our guy, Brian brot
Speaker 1: Us And this comes from NICKI the Twitch on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and he says, for my guy, Brian. Yeah, the official
Speaker 1: inductee to the Kiris Tonga Fan Club. I want his
Speaker 1: scouting report on the BYU interior defensive lineman. He called
Speaker 1: him a SpongeBob loving giant. But I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about this guy yet to really get into him. But
Speaker 1: what do you think about Tonga? Have you guys? Have
Speaker 1: you guys seen Tonga at all? I have? Have you
Speaker 1: seen Tonga? I have not. I saw you talking about
Speaker 1: him this morning. That was the first time. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he I'll tell you what, this is a fun draft
Speaker 1: for these centers, these guys that play right over the
Speaker 1: center's nose. And you know this guy, I mean he
Speaker 1: is a three hundred and twenty six pound guy and
Speaker 1: you watch him play. He's got some really good speed.
Speaker 1: He's got excellent quickness. And I'll tell you what, he
Speaker 1: is super active when it comes to chasing the ball
Speaker 1: and working to the outside. I mean he's a difficult
Speaker 1: player to deal with one on one. And I was
Speaker 1: watching the Coastal Carolina game and I mean they've got
Speaker 1: him like playing twist game stuff. They've got him jumping
Speaker 1: around and gaps and then getting back inside. And you know,
Speaker 1: when you're three hundred and twenty six pounds and you're
Speaker 1: bouncing around the line like that and people aren't moving you,
Speaker 1: but you're getting in the backfield. He's a finisher when
Speaker 1: he gets around the quarterback. He's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that were a big, heavy guy. He wasn't coming off
Speaker 1: the field. I mean he was playing snap after snap
Speaker 1: after snap. You watch Shelvin and guys like that, they suck.
Speaker 1: But you know, LSU's got a lot of players. I
Speaker 1: get it by you, they've got talented players. But Tonga
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him? Is that one technique guy.
Speaker 1: I really do like this one technique class. Of what
Speaker 1: we've seen so far in this draft, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that stand out. I mean, along with Tonga,
Speaker 1: you gotta Lee McNeil that we've talked about out of
Speaker 1: n Z State previously. I mean, there are some one
Speaker 1: guy that are gonna find their way into the early
Speaker 1: parts of this draft and maybe I mean, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys wanted to talk about it, how about the mc
Speaker 1: neil kid. I got a chance to see him. Now,
Speaker 1: how about the McNeil kid. I got a chance to
Speaker 1: see him work out last week because he worked out
Speaker 1: out here how about he started a left field in
Speaker 1: high school and on the baseball team. I'm like, how crazy?
Speaker 1: How crazy is that to think about your one technique. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, let's go out and played outfield. But
Speaker 1: that's what he did. Yeah, it played outfield. How about that.
Speaker 1: Let's go I like that first base. We can zone dog,
Speaker 1: we can zone dog a little bit. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: not data Ortiz over there, that's that's left field. You're
Speaker 1: running after baseball's there, You're you're getting into the gap,
Speaker 1: playing down the line. What was that, Brian, No, I'd
Speaker 1: tell you what though, I think Bucky and you guys
Speaker 1: are right about the kid. I mean, I talked about
Speaker 1: him last week as a pet cat guy. You see
Speaker 1: athletic ability. You see athletic ability the day and age
Speaker 1: of just the big sloppy guy playing this at one
Speaker 1: technique or undertackle. Yeah, there's some big sloppy guys, but
Speaker 1: they're better athletes than than what we've kind of seen
Speaker 1: in the past. I'm I'm encouraged if the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to go get one of these guys. I think there's
Speaker 1: three or four of those choices that you can make.
Speaker 1: Though again, it's got to be a change in philosophy.
Speaker 1: The previous regime was all about, oh no, we like
Speaker 1: orphans and we don't want to draft guys, and dada,
Speaker 1: da dada and all that stuff. I hope this regime says, no,
Speaker 1: let's use a draft pick on a good player, and
Speaker 1: there's some in this draft that you can go get.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like the potential that it ends
Speaker 1: up happening. Here. We've got one more question I want
Speaker 1: to answer, but we do have to hit the second break.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, really interesting question that involves
Speaker 1: a trade of a top light receiver and maybe a
Speaker 1: top corner coming to Dallas as well. We'll be right
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Speaker 1: Brian brought us David Hellman. I'mkyle Yeoman's final question here
Speaker 1: to round things out on what has been really a
Speaker 1: really fun show, a gentleman well done from every one
Speaker 1: of you guys and all of those listening as well.
Speaker 1: But coach K on Twitter asked, can I get Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup traded to the Patriots because they can extend him
Speaker 1: for Stefan Gilmore in a late pick, so that way
Speaker 1: you could potentially grab one of these top three wide
Speaker 1: receivers pick number ten. Are you interested in doing such
Speaker 1: a thing, David Hellman, You know, okay, is it possible?
Speaker 1: That's another question I'm gonna is it? Well, is it possible? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose it's possible. I don't know. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: know the details of Gilmour's deal off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, but I know he's one of the better
Speaker 1: paid cornerbacks in the league, so I mean, I assume
Speaker 1: that would be difficult to fit in under the cap.
Speaker 1: I think the Gallup thing is really interesting because, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to talk about ways you could maximize that,
Speaker 1: you know, trade him for something while he's still worth
Speaker 1: it before he goes into this contract year. But I
Speaker 1: also kind of feel like, you know, in this day
Speaker 1: and age, people are trying to solve problems before they exist.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, you know, everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: Gallop's gonna leave next year, so we gotta do something.
Speaker 1: It's like you can tap the brakes, like a lot
Speaker 1: of things can happen. The Cowboys frontloaded a Marii Cooper's
Speaker 1: deal they're done. They're done with guarantees for a Mari
Speaker 1: next office. So they could conceivably get rid of a
Speaker 1: Maori and keep Michael Gallup if they wanted to. They
Speaker 1: could extend him, they could franchise him. Or it's not
Speaker 1: the end of the world. If Michael Gallup walks in
Speaker 1: free agency and you get a nice cop pick out
Speaker 1: of it, like that is not the worst outcome in
Speaker 1: the world. So I kind of feel like people overreact
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're probably gonna lose Gallop, like
Speaker 1: and I get it. It's fun to be proactive and
Speaker 1: try to think ahead of time. There's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: But I also don't think that's like this terrible problem
Speaker 1: that you have to solve right now. To answer the
Speaker 1: question a little bit more directly, if the Patriots were
Speaker 1: willing to do that, and I could fit Gilmour in
Speaker 1: under the cap he's only seven he's only seven million dollars,
Speaker 1: you just have to do an extension because he's gonna
Speaker 1: want more money. He only million. It says his cabinet
Speaker 1: is fifteen. On what I'm looking at, it says the
Speaker 1: cabinet is fifteen. Because it was a backloaded deal and
Speaker 1: he's in the final year of his five year contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looking looking at sports X so they did a deal
Speaker 1: with a put some money up to pay him last
Speaker 1: year to get him to thirteen million. But on the books,
Speaker 1: his base salary is that the cap hit for the
Speaker 1: Patriots is fifteen but in terms of salary to spend
Speaker 1: out it's only seven million. But when you take him in,
Speaker 1: he's not going to show up unless you redo to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you also have to wander thirty one years
Speaker 1: old for someone who wasn't he was never an a
Speaker 1: level athlete. How much does he have left? Are you
Speaker 1: going to get the back end of the performers from
Speaker 1: Gilmore if you take that on. Yeah, and yeah, the
Speaker 1: cap hit makes me leary. I'm still probably leaned toward
Speaker 1: I at least I don't hate the idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you'd rather have a younger player at that position,
Speaker 1: but you've also kind of wanted a veteran at that
Speaker 1: position as well, and buy a veteran somebody who can
Speaker 1: actually play well and still be a veteran at that spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it kind of it goes back, you know, to
Speaker 1: the whole thing about you know, quarterback, Like what makes
Speaker 1: what makes a quarterback valuable as a draft pick is
Speaker 1: like the contract, Like you have cost control, so it
Speaker 1: makes you know, would you rather have a twenty two
Speaker 1: year old that you have cost control over for five
Speaker 1: years or a thirty one year old who you have
Speaker 1: to pay just to get him to show up in
Speaker 1: training camp? Yeah. The more I think about this, I
Speaker 1: think I'd rather just hold on to Michael Gallop. And
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, there are worse things that
Speaker 1: can happen than getting a comp pick for Michael Gallop. Like,
Speaker 1: if that's what happens, that's fine with me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like the more you talked about it, the
Speaker 1: more you talked me into it, Brian really quickly before
Speaker 1: we end out you would you do that deal or
Speaker 1: would you kind of reconsider and keep Michael Gallop around? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I would probably keep Michael Gallop around. This
Speaker 1: is what I do. I would look for other opportunities,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you could maybe you could take him
Speaker 1: and when your draft picks and then move up in
Speaker 1: the draft, maybe you could go a little bit further.
Speaker 1: I would use him as a bargaining chip instead of
Speaker 1: getting a thirty one year old corner. Maybe you want
Speaker 1: to go up higher in the draft. Maybe you want
Speaker 1: to try and get back into the second round, back
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the first round, and you can
Speaker 1: convince somebody to take your forty four and Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: and then let you get back into the bottom of
Speaker 1: the first round if you find a player to your
Speaker 1: liking there. So I would kind of keep that option open.
Speaker 1: I think I would too. I would lean toward keeping
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop, even though, like Dave said, kind of to
Speaker 1: start off the conversation, I'm not against talking about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad idea to keep your
Speaker 1: options open. But if you and this is an intriguing option,
Speaker 1: to say the least. Now, if they threw in maybe
Speaker 1: a second round picked or something, maybe I would do it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. That might be a little bit
Speaker 1: too high and too constantly from the Patriots perspective to
Speaker 1: get that deal done. But that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 1: I go for it, Dave, Sorry, Kyle, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a conversation worth having. I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: to the idea, but you don't have to look for
Speaker 1: an excuse just to get rid of Michael Gallop just
Speaker 1: because you think you can't afford him next year. Like,
Speaker 1: let those problems play out. That's a good problem to have.
Speaker 1: So if somebody wants to come get him, that's great,
Speaker 1: but make it worth my while, Like, don't just deal
Speaker 1: him because you're afraid of having to pay him next year.
Speaker 1: That's dumb. It's a good point. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: That's it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com Draft Show for everyone listening at home. For Chris Beam,
Speaker 1: for Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us and David Hellman. I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yelmans. We'll see you next week on the Draft Show.
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