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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's our two on a Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Heated discussion in the first hour Fritzy and myself about

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers being altruistic and giving money back to the

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Speaker 2: New York Jets. Mike Florio, we'll talk with us coming

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Speaker 2: up a little bit. Get his thoughts on what Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers is doing. Also, Dalvin Cook set to go and

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Speaker 2: visit the Jets today. We'll talk about that possibility as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, you start to add Dalvin Cook, you got

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Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, you got a good defense.

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Speaker 1: It's a young team.

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Speaker 2: You got Sauce Gardner, And I think Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 2: looking around, going why would I leave after one year?

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Speaker 2: But I do think if you said what would be

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Speaker 2: a successful year for the Jets getting to the playoffs

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Speaker 2: is not a successful year. I think you got to

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Speaker 2: get deeper into the playoffs, maybe maybe AFC Title game,

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Speaker 2: where you go. You know what, we had a great year.

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Speaker 2: They were seven and ten last year. They could easily

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Speaker 2: win eleven games this year. The question is how good

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Speaker 2: are you going to be when you get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's going to be surprised if they

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs. We would be surprised if they don't.

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Speaker 2: But where do they sort of stand right now? And

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Speaker 2: if they added Dalvin Cook, now you got to Now

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Speaker 2: I can let Brece Hall ease back into the lineup

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Speaker 2: and split time with Dalvin Cook and give Rogers all

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Speaker 2: that time this season to get ready for a postseason run.

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Speaker 2: And he's going to give money back, so you can

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Speaker 2: add if you need to. That's that's a pretty good

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Speaker 2: formula there. And then I look at the Cincinnati Bengals

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Speaker 2: with what they're going to be doing with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: You're going to probably lose t Higgins because somebody's going

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Speaker 2: to pay the price for the Bengals paying the price

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Speaker 2: to extend Joe Burrow. You're not going to be able

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Speaker 2: to keep everybody together. And you know, when you look

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Speaker 2: at Justin Herbert, that's two hundred and sixty two and

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Speaker 2: a half million dollars and it's a win I think

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Speaker 2: for both parties. It helps the Chargers a little bit

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Speaker 2: this year. It depends on how you structure these contracts,

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Speaker 2: Like the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes, he gets sixty million

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Speaker 2: the last year of that deal. Well, he should be

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Speaker 2: getting sixty million every year. By the time he gets

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Speaker 2: he won't get to the end of that contract. But

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Speaker 2: if you're the Bengals, what can you do with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty six Super Bowl appearance. He's going to blow

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Speaker 2: by two hundred and sixty two and a half million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The question is how much are you giving him and

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Speaker 2: when are you giving him that money? But at least

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Speaker 2: I look at it as this way, I'm paying the

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Speaker 2: money to somebody who I know is worth it, as

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Speaker 2: opposed to I go back to the Cardinals and you

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Speaker 2: pay the money to Kyler Murray and I never would

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Speaker 2: have done that. I would have had to have seen

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Speaker 2: another year. I wouldn't have paid Danny Dimes that money.

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Speaker 2: I would want to see another year franchise tagging. But

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Speaker 2: when you have that guy, like the Chargers had that guy,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs have that guy. We can debate whether Jalen

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Speaker 2: Hurts is worth that had a wonderful year, great Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: would have been the MVP, but it was one year.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, you want to pay him that money. So

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Speaker 2: having that quarterback where you go, that's our guy for

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Speaker 2: the next five or six years. It's got to be

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Speaker 2: comforting because there are some franchises that are like, we're

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Speaker 2: kind of in between quarterbacks right now?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,

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Speaker 2: to those chatting on chat Row, those watching on Peacock,

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Speaker 2: and our radio affiliates around the country.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Marvin, did you have a question.

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Speaker 3: I did regarding Hard Knocks. Okay, Dalvin Cook? Does he

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Speaker 3: make an appearance on the first episode when they show

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Speaker 3: him visiting?

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Speaker 2: Hmm, well, he's gotta sign. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: He has to be signed as a Jet to appear

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Speaker 2: I would think so, I don't know if hm, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how that works. If he's just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I would think.

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Speaker 2: You would want to have him be signed and then

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Speaker 2: you could have hey, look who's here in Stalvin Cook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pauline, I was going back to the Jets.

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Speaker 4: There's a point last year where the Jets were seven

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Speaker 4: and four. They just smoked the Bears in November twenty seventh,

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Speaker 4: and they were tied for first in the AFC East.

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Speaker 4: They lost six games in a row, but with they

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Speaker 4: were a playoff in the playoff picture until mid December.

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Speaker 5: For a playoff spot.

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Speaker 4: With a quarterback call group of Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 4: and Mike White that combined for fifteen touchdowns and fourteen picks,

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Speaker 4: that team won seven games. I think that's why there's

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Speaker 4: all the hope with it. With a horrible quarterback situation.

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Speaker 4: They were in the playoff picture last year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's why if you're one and done in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's not a successful year. I know that

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Speaker 2: it feels like super Bowl or Bust for them, but

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Speaker 2: I would think that would be the following year, like

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Super Bowl or bust. Who else would you

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Speaker 2: put in their Buffalo Super Bowl or Bust Bengals Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl or Bust Eagles Super Bowl or Bust Niners Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl or bust. We want to put the Cowboys in

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Speaker 2: their super Bowl or bust.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys are really good. Yeah, twelve wins year in

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Speaker 3: year out, Yes, it's got to be for them. They

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Speaker 3: can't be Oh, you know, we won a division that's great,

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Speaker 3: or we got into the playoffs. Their goal has to

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Speaker 3: be the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, who has more pressure, Dak Prescott or Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if we both do.

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Speaker 2: Because Dak says he's not going to throw ten interceptions,

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Speaker 2: then you throw fifteen last year. I think there are

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Speaker 2: odds of I think the over unders thirteen and a

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Speaker 2: half interceptions for Dak Prescott. But they're changing their philosophy

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Speaker 2: or at least they're talking about running the ball more.

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Speaker 2: But Mike McCarthy on the warmer seat than Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: And not to troll you by bringing up the Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: but you know, Marvin brought that up. And then you

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Speaker 2: start to think about the expectation level. How many teams

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Speaker 2: truly have Super Bowl or bust seven eight. Everybody aspires

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Speaker 2: to that, of course, but the realistic goal of if

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Speaker 2: you say to the Niners, you're not going to the

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Speaker 2: to them, If you say that, I guess to the Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo definitely. You know, there's so many teams in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pull the.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys really blew it last year in the playoffs because

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Speaker 4: they took care of Tampa Bay took care of that.

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Speaker 4: In a divisional round, they lost nineteen to twelve to

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Speaker 4: never sniffed a playoff game before. Obviously, I mean that's

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Speaker 4: that was an opportunity yesterday. I know that defense for

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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers is crazy, but Dak did very little.

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Speaker 4: The team did very little. That was an opportunity last year.

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Speaker 6: That does feel kind of ugly.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Cowboy fan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that should have been a win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if you're surprised, you're disappointed,

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Speaker 2: But are you surprised with a Cowboy ending that ends,

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Speaker 2: you know, in such a disappointing way where you go,

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Speaker 2: oh my god? Or is it just we lost?

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Speaker 1: How bad?

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Speaker 2: How did we lose? You know, all you guys couldn't

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Speaker 2: score a touchdown? You know, you didn't have any offense whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: You let Rock Party beat you. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Cowboy fans are surprised anymore when they bow out. It's

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Speaker 2: usually how painful was it when you bowed out?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Did we get embarrassed? No?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 1: It was competitive? Right? Okay?

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Speaker 2: But I would think Kansas City's definitely Super Bowl, Bengals

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Speaker 1: You know where are the Chargers there? They got some

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Speaker 1: big contracts.

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Speaker 2: There, and I'm I'm not falling for the Chargers again

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Speaker 2: this year as I have in previous year.

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Speaker 5: Don't do that because the year you bail, they'll win.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I've been there too long where

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Speaker 2: I just go, Yeah, it's gonna be the Chargers year.

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Speaker 4: You're like the guy who picks the same lotto numbers

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Speaker 4: for twelve hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna hit one of these days.

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Speaker 3: Yes, far would you consider the Ravens to be a sleeper?

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Speaker 1: Like, you know what, I thought that they were going

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Speaker 1: to win the division last year?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Ravens were going to be a sneaky

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Speaker 2: and they could be great this year. It just feels

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Speaker 2: like there's always an injury, there's always something there, and

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Speaker 1: And that's such a tough division. Yeah, they have.

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Speaker 6: To be towards the top though of teams I'm looking

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Speaker 6: most forward to watching this year.

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Speaker 1: But is that because of OBJ?

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Speaker 6: It's probably a compilation of all of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hmm, I don't know if I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm looking forward to seeing if OBJ can play.

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Speaker 1: Eight Flowers, well, I do love him.

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Speaker 6: I want to see him play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I've been hyping him up by.

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Speaker 2: People are like, yeah, you're Boston College wide receiver. I go,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm listening to people who do this

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Speaker 1: I go, Okay. This is also the same person who

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Speaker 1: said Chase Claypool can play. He can. He doesn't always play,

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Speaker 1: but he can play.

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Speaker 9: Yes, ton Which quarterback do you guys think is going

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Speaker 9: to be playing with the biggest chip on his shoulder?

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Speaker 9: Some are more obvious than others, but it seems like

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Speaker 9: there's several quarterbacks that feel like they've got a lot

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Speaker 9: to prove efter last year.

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Speaker 1: For instance, besides Aaron Rise, this Mac.

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Speaker 9: There's there's ones. Even Justin Herbert has done this big deal,

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Speaker 9: has to prove that he could take them to the

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Speaker 9: next level.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got a chip on his shoulder.

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Speaker 9: down the list Lamar Jackson aft to hold the contract fighting.

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Speaker 9: He wants to show everybody that he's as great as

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Speaker 9: he thinks he is.

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Speaker 1: I think we just covered everybody. Dak Dak Prescott, Kosh Allen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they all do.

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Speaker 2: Or I would give the impression that like Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: it always felt felt like feels like he's playing with

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Speaker 2: a chip on his shoulder.

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Speaker 5: So who is chipless? Who's who? The ones that don't

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Speaker 5: Holmes Mahomes is on a full scholarship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. If he's got a chip on

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Speaker 5: He can afford an off year, but he has.

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Speaker 1: To create a chip for his shoulder.

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Speaker 5: Do you buy one?

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Speaker 1: Like? I don't know. I think you have to manufacture

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Speaker 9: Back sponsorship wrought to you by Pringles. Get that chip going?

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Speaker 9: Everless to Danny Dimes, No, they all do.

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Speaker 3: They all have big chips on it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Paul Jalen Hurts feels chipless. He overachieved last year.

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Speaker 1: No, he's got to prove that it wasn't a one

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Speaker 2: He's now once again, it may not be real, may

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Speaker 2: He'd make up rivalries that weren't even true. Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: They've already talked about that. What is a dynasty?

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 10: Dan?

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Speaker 11: When do you think the running back market took a hit?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, And I can ask Florio about this

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Speaker 2: But I think it started, you know, prior to this.

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Speaker 1: Guys got anything else you want to add to the CBA,

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Speaker 2: It's like, we would like running backs to not have

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, we'll put that in.

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Speaker 6: Oh what you guys want we're running out, We'll just

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Speaker 2: That's why everybody thinks. It feels like, hey, you guys,

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Speaker 1: That's the way people talk about it.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you could go, can we slip this in?

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Speaker 2: This is an addendum. This is a clause in there

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Speaker 2: What'd you agree with it?

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Speaker 1: Why did you agree with it? Then I want to

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Speaker 2: Owners are going to go, yeah, all right, put it

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Speaker 2: in there. How could this ever come back? And hanas.

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Speaker 2: It's like when somebody says, hey, how about I give

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Speaker 1: Then you go, all right, I'll do that.

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Speaker 2: Do the math on that where you have a penny,

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Speaker 5: Like now we have to do the next.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying this is a test. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: The penny gets the good Yeah, they're gonna get a

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Speaker 6: It just came into You get a penny and then

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you do the math and you double

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Speaker 6: This is your area.

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Speaker 4: At the end of thirty days, if you double a

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Speaker 6: Does that keep Does that penny keep doubling in perpetuity?

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Speaker 2: think it's for a month. If I doubled like a

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Speaker 4: I got five million, three and sixty eight thousand dollars, okay.

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Speaker 1: Five millions, right, I think it's a pretty Yes.

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Speaker 2: I think nobody thinks when you go it's just a

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Speaker 1: Yeah what Oh, now I got your attention.

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Speaker 5: You should see all our faces.

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Speaker 4: We look like algebra class freshman year, we were just

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Speaker 6: If you took a single penny and doubled it every day,

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Speaker 6: Killian and Bappe just turned down doing that for two days.

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Speaker 6: I know that would have been two days of his life.

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Speaker 6: He said, no, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: He wait how much would he get paid each day?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I see how this works out. You're doubling the total. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: After twenty five days you have one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: So if your kid says, hey, you know what, can

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Speaker 1: Fritzie and I had a debate.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say it was a heated debate,

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Speaker 2: somewhere down the road, Rogers will get that money back.

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Speaker 2: I thought, it's still a nice gesture to give the

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Speaker 7: Fritzy's instincts are right.

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Speaker 12: Here's what I think is going to happen, and this

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Speaker 7: Book it now. I predict it will happen later.

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Speaker 1: Well, I won't be doing this.

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Speaker 7: I saw that.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll have an argument over the phone. Maybe,

443
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Speaker 2: But he could have kept his deal though, Mike right.

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Speaker 7: Oh, he could have.

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Speaker 12: He could have and looked an I've been plugged into

446
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Speaker 12: this for months, from the point that Rogers unexpectedly took

447
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Speaker 12: a fifty eight million dollar option bonus that was due

448
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 12: this year, moved it to next year to give the Packers,

449
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Speaker 12: the team that he supposedly hates, at least the front office,

450
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Speaker 12: some cap relief on his way out the door, and

451
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Speaker 12: the Jets and Rogers had to figure out how they're

452
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Speaker 12: going to reallocate that money. I had heard that he

453
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Speaker 12: was possibly going to take less money from the Jets

454
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Speaker 12: than he was supposed to make this year and next

455
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Speaker 12: year from the Packers. And I think this strategy here

456
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Speaker 12: is and we have to assume Aaron Rodgers is smart,

457
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Speaker 12: so he's strategic. You ingratiate yourself to the team, to

458
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Speaker 12: the locker room, to the front office.

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Speaker 7: To the fan base, to the media. And the thinking is.

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Speaker 12: You appear to be unselfish, you appear to be a

461
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Speaker 12: guy who's helping the team, and you make it all

462
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 12: back one way or the other. Sponsorship deals appreciation of

463
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Speaker 12: the percentage you buy down the road, whatever it is,

464
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Speaker 12: you're gonna make that thirty three point seven million dollars

465
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Speaker 12: back at some point down the road, and I think

466
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Speaker 12: that's part of his calculation. He'll get that back in

467
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Speaker 12: then some and he rides into New York and he

468
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Speaker 12: stays the hero, and everyone's going to go easy on him,

469
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Speaker 12: and everyone's gonna praise him, and no one's ever gonna

470
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Speaker 12: ask him a tough question because he's such a great

471
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Speaker 12: guy who took thirty three point seven million less.

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Speaker 1: Any other quarterbacks doing this.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 12: I mean, Patrick Mahomes is in a roundabout way, Patrick

475
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Speaker 12: Mahomes is content to be grossly underpaid.

476
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Speaker 7: And Chiefs fans just love it when I point that out.

477
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Speaker 12: But Mahomes three years ago was the highest paid quarterback

478
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Speaker 12: at forty five million. Now you've got Justin Herbert at

479
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Speaker 12: fifty two point five. It's just a matter of time

480
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Speaker 12: before Joe Burrow goes higher than Herbert Mahomes. Meanwhile, We'll

481
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Speaker 12: seems to be content to be underpaid. And Tom Brady's

482
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Speaker 12: the guy that got all this started being underpaid to

483
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Speaker 12: help with the construction of the team. And this is

484
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Speaker 12: where the system is rigged against the great quarterbacks.

485
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Speaker 7: Because they make the game go.

486
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Speaker 12: They are worth more to the league than they are

487
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Speaker 12: to their individual teams. How do they pick the prime

488
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Speaker 12: time games every year by where the quarterbacks are going

489
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Speaker 12: to be? So, if we had a chance to do

490
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Speaker 12: it all over again, I think you should have a

491
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Speaker 12: league wide fund that pays the great quarterbacks because they

492
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Speaker 12: mean more to the shield than they do to their teams,

493
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Speaker 12: and the salary cap gets used as leverage to get

494
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Speaker 12: them to take less in the hopes of winning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've proposed that for a while now. That just

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Speaker 2: have a separate salary cap for your quarterbacks. Or can

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Speaker 2: we do something with the running backs that we start

498
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Speaker 2: them out with a three year deal or we let

499
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Speaker 2: them leave college after their sophomore year? Is there any

500
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Speaker 2: solution that would help everybody? And the owners don't go,

501
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Speaker 2: you know, we're still not paying Well, don't.

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Speaker 7: Tell Jim Irsay.

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Speaker 12: He's already making it clear that nothing will be done,

504
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Speaker 12: which isn't going to help the cause.

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Speaker 7: He would have been better off saying nothing, because these

506
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Speaker 7: guys are mad.

507
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Speaker 12: And if you have an owner saying things like he

508
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Speaker 12: said last night on Twitter, they're only going to get

509
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Speaker 12: more upset. This is an organic realization by the running

510
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Speaker 12: backs that the system screws them. The weirdest part about this, Dan,

511
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Speaker 12: this has been the case for fifteen years that running

512
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Speaker 12: backs have been taking advantage.

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Speaker 1: Of When it start, Mike when well do you remember?

514
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Speaker 12: I asked someone last week what's the root cause of

515
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Speaker 12: this issue? Somebody who's been involved in the league at

516
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Speaker 12: a high level for a long time with one of

517
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Speaker 12: the teams, And I was told, blame analytics and Mike Shanahan.

518
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Speaker 12: Go all the way back to nineteen ninety nine, Terrell

519
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Speaker 12: Davis tears is acol Orlandis Gary comes in and has

520
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Speaker 12: eleven hundred plus rushing yards in nineteen ninety nine two thousand.

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Speaker 12: I don't know what happened to Orlandos Gary, but Mike

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Speaker 12: Anderson has fourteen hundred rushing yards in that system.

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Speaker 7: It's the system that makes it go.

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Speaker 12: So you can you can throw a I can find

525
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Speaker 12: a running back who can come in and make it happen.

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Speaker 12: Every major college every year has a running back that

527
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Speaker 12: could play running back at the NFL level. The supply

528
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Speaker 12: out weighs the demand you throw. On top of that,

529
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Speaker 12: this analytics obsession with surplus value. Where's the surplus value

530
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Speaker 12: not at the running back position. It's at quarterback, receiver,

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Speaker 12: pass rusher, and corner.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

533
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Speaker 12: The other positions are viewed as interchangeable, so it's hard

534
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Speaker 12: for the great players to get paid.

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Speaker 7: And for running backs, by the time you're.

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Speaker 12: Twenty seven to twenty eight years old, you've got a

537
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Speaker 12: lot of mileage. You're expecting a lot of money. There's

538
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Speaker 12: younger and cheaper guys out there. That's how it all happened.

539
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Speaker 12: What's amazing is finally the running backs are standing up

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Speaker 12: and saying this is unacceptable.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know what they can do about it.

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Speaker 1: They can't do anything.

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Speaker 2: And we were just talking about this that people go, well,

544
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Speaker 2: you bargain for this collective bargain agreement. You can't slip

545
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Speaker 2: in language that says and by the way, can we

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Speaker 2: have running backs be paid commensurate to wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: The owners aren't gonna let You could try to put

549
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Speaker 2: that in there, but that's not gonna have. They took

550
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: years trying to get marijuana testing taken out of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna slip in a clause that said, hey,

552
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Speaker 2: running backs are grossly underpaid. We get it, but you

553
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Speaker 2: know quarterbacks are not grossly underpaid, or wide receivers aren't.

554
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Speaker 2: Defensive tackles aren't tackles.

555
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Speaker 1: Left tackles aren't.

556
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Speaker 2: It's just middle linebackers and running backs are underpaid.

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Speaker 12: Dan, here's the problem. The union is hopelessly conflicted here

558
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Speaker 12: because it represents all shapes and sizes of players. So

559
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Speaker 12: you rob Peter to pay Paul. If you're gonna help

560
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Speaker 12: the running backs, if you're gonna get the league to

561
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Speaker 12: do something to improve running back pay, the league's going

562
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Speaker 12: to say, what's in it for us?

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Speaker 7: What are you giving us in return?

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Speaker 12: You may hurt some other position as you try to

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Speaker 12: maintain that balance between labor and management. Running Backs arguably

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Speaker 12: should have their own union. There was an effort in

567
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Speaker 12: Chicago four years ago to create a running back bargaining unit.

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Speaker 7: It went nowhere. That's one way to do this, Dan.

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Speaker 12: The other thing you do, and I don't know that

570
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 12: this would ever work, but this is the best thing

571
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Speaker 12: that I've managed to come up with. If all the

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Speaker 12: running backs would get together now, and if they would

573
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Speaker 12: get all running backs currently in the league and all

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Speaker 12: agents to commit that next year's crop running backs will

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Speaker 12: go along with this. If they say next year for

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Speaker 12: the offseason program, you're not going to have a single

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Speaker 12: running back present on any team. And if they can,

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Speaker 12: if they can sell that as something they can pull off,

579
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Speaker 12: and I don't think they can pull it off, but

580
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Speaker 12: if they could pull that off, that would be a

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Speaker 12: way to get the league's attention and maybe get them

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Speaker 12: to figure out something and the best This is a

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Speaker 12: Chris sim solution. You may have mentioned it on your

584
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Speaker 12: show earlier this week, the idea of having a league

585
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Speaker 12: wide fund of money that pays running backs for performance,

586
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Speaker 12: because they do their best work when they're under peanuts

587
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Speaker 12: deals in comparison to what veteran players make, pay them.

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Speaker 12: Then when they have fifteen hundred rushing yards and fifteen

589
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Speaker 12: rushing touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Mike Plorio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, is the

591
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Speaker 2: NFL done with Daniel Snyder?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think there's one open issue as far as

593
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Speaker 12: the NFL is related, And this dawned on me last night.

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Speaker 7: The finding for.

595
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Speaker 12: Mary Joe White's report that the commanders essentially moved money around,

596
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 12: moved revenue around from NFL events to non NFL events

597
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 12: at FedEx Field concerts college football games in order to

598
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 12: avoid sharing money with the teams. That money also would

599
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Speaker 12: have gone into the pot that determines the salary cap.

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Speaker 12: So the NFL Players Association may have something to say

601
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Speaker 12: about this. And when I read that report last week, Dan,

602
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 12: it was clear to me that Mary Joe White was

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Speaker 12: providing a blueprint for a prosecution under Virginia, Maryland or

604
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Speaker 12: federal law. Each one potentially would have some degree of jurisdiction.

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Speaker 12: I don't know what's going to happen, if there's going

606
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Speaker 12: to be a prosecution, if the statutes of limitations haven't expired,

607
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Speaker 12: but she basically found fraudulent conduct. She never used the

608
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Speaker 12: word fraud, but she found fraud. And if you do

609
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 12: any search of the laws out there, and it's all

610
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Speaker 12: available to anyone who's curious, there are laws in every state,

611
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 12: many laws against fraud, and people get prosecuted for fraudulent

612
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Speaker 12: schemes all the time.

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Speaker 7: So the NFL may be done with him, but the.

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Speaker 12: NFLPA may have something to say, and there may be

615
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Speaker 12: some aggressive prosecutors out there taking a look at Mary

616
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Speaker 12: Joe White's report.

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook visiting the Jets in your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: Well, they got some extra money thanks Rodgerson. Yeah right, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and his cap number.

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Speaker 12: If he hadn't redone his deal before he left the Packers,

621
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Speaker 12: his cap number would have been fifteen million or so

622
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Speaker 12: when the Jets acquired him.

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Speaker 7: His cap number now.

624
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Speaker 12: Is about eight million, So there's seven million right there

625
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 12: they didn't expect to have. And Breese Hall, who was

626
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 12: off to a great start last year as a rookie,

627
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Speaker 12: he tore his ACL They're not one hundred percent certain

628
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Speaker 12: he's going to be ready to go week one or

629
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Speaker 12: he's going to be the guy he was last year.

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Speaker 7: And Dalvin Cook's.

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Speaker 12: Available and they're all in and they could pull that off.

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Speaker 12: And really, at the end of the day, this is

633
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Speaker 12: thirty three. You know how good you feel when you

634
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Speaker 12: find a twenty dollars bill.

635
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Speaker 7: A pair of pants you haven't worn in three months?

636
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Speaker 12: What did Johnson found thirty three point seven million dollars

637
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 12: in a pair of pants today?

638
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Speaker 7: He's got plenty of money to go get Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Aaron Rodgers is very generous, that's right.

640
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is that a charitable deduct like is that a write

642
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Speaker 2: off for Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean it's not a rite off because it was

645
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 7: never in. He just gave it up.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, he should have found some other way to

647
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 12: manage his tax bracket. But again again, it'll all work

648
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 12: out when he owns one point three to seven percent

649
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Speaker 12: of the New York Jets seven years from now.

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Speaker 1: Do you hate Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 7: No, I don't, hear it. I have a ton of

652
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Speaker 7: respect for Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 12: I like the fact that there's kind of a healthy

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Speaker 12: disagreement from Afar.

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Speaker 7: I think he and I.

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Speaker 12: He may disagree with me on this, I think he

657
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Speaker 12: and I have a lot more in common than anyone

658
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Speaker 12: ever realizes, and I don't think he would ever.

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Speaker 7: Agree with that, not even in one respect.

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Speaker 2: Okay, uh, if you had to bet on coaches getting

661
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Speaker 2: fired mid season, we had three last year.

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Speaker 12: Mid seas well, depending upon what happens with the Chargers,

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Speaker 12: it wouldn't stun me. This new deal for Justin Herbert

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Speaker 12: just puts more pressure on Brandon Staley. And what did

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Speaker 12: we last see from Brandon Staley a playoff appearance and

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Speaker 12: a historic flame out against the Jaguars where they blew

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Speaker 12: a twenty eight point lead.

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Speaker 7: So I think he's got a ton of pressure on

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Speaker 7: him going into the season.

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Speaker 12: It look there's always going to be a team that

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Speaker 12: stumbles out of the gates. What does the owner do

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Speaker 12: when you're zero and four, one in five, two and

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Speaker 12: seven and you had all those expectations, not all that

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Speaker 12: long ago, to be a competitive team. So it all

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Speaker 12: comes down to how the owner is wired and what

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Speaker 12: the owner decides to do in that stress and strain

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Speaker 12: of the moment. But I'd be very nervous this year

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Speaker 12: if I'm Brandon Staley because all that money to Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 12: If it doesn't work this year, It's not like they're

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Speaker 12: getting rid of Herbert. They're getting rid of me. And

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Speaker 12: there's coaches already circling at Chargers job.

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Speaker 7: They were doing it last year.

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Speaker 10: Dan.

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Speaker 12: They when you know the coaches who are eyeballing NFL job,

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Speaker 12: they want to work with the franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 7: They want to work with Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sean Payton, oh you would have taken it.

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Speaker 12: I mean I don't know this, but between Broncos and Chargers,

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Speaker 12: if both jobs are open, you're taking a Chargers job

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Speaker 12: if you're Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh I said this earlier.

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Speaker 2: What is a considered a great season for the Jets

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Speaker 2: like that, or maybe what would be a bad season

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Speaker 2: for the.

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Speaker 7: Jets making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's say they make the playoffs. I said, if

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Speaker 2: you do one and done, then you didn't have a

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Speaker 2: great year.

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Speaker 12: I would agree with that, especially because that's been the

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Speaker 12: Aaron Rodgers flaw, failure to deliver in the postseason great

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Speaker 12: in the regular season, the playoffs come around. And this

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Speaker 12: is one of Sims's complaints about Aaron Rodgers, not mine.

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Speaker 12: So Aaron, don't blame me for this one. Sims believes

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Speaker 12: that when the season is riding on that one game

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Speaker 12: in January, Rogers is too careful. Rogers doesn't let it rip.

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Speaker 12: Rogers is too concerned about throwing an interception that he

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Speaker 12: doesn't just go out and play the way that he.

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Speaker 7: Did from Week one through Week eighteen.

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Speaker 12: And there's too many times they've been the one seed,

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Speaker 12: they've lost at home. I mean, it goes all the

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Speaker 12: way back to twenty eleven, the year after they won

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Speaker 12: the Super Bowl, they were the one seed and the

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Speaker 12: Giants went into lambeau Field and beat them. We saw

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Speaker 12: them lose to the forty nine ers at lambeau Field.

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Speaker 12: They lost to the Buccaneers the year before that. Both

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Speaker 12: years Aaron Rodgers was the league MVP. So he's got

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Speaker 12: to deliver when it's one and done.

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Speaker 7: Pressure.

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Speaker 12: But first they got to get there, Dan, and I

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Speaker 12: apologize if I'm repeating myself with something I said on

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Speaker 12: your show before.

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Speaker 7: Look at the schedules of the teams in the AFC East.

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Speaker 12: They play each other twice, They play every team from

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Speaker 12: the AFC West, They play every team from the NFC East.

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Speaker 12: If you don't win that division, you may not get

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Speaker 12: in because you're going to be compared then to the

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Speaker 12: second and third place teams from the other divisions that

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Speaker 12: have easier schedules. It's going to be very hard for

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Speaker 12: the second place team in the AFCAS to get in.

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Speaker 12: So if the Jetsn'll win the division, they may not

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Speaker 12: get in.

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Speaker 2: I know I brought that up after you had mentioned that,

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Speaker 2: because sometimes we just look at a team and look

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Speaker 2: at the talent and we go, oh, you can pencil

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Speaker 2: in eleven wins, And then I always say, look at

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Speaker 2: the schedule and see if you can pencil in eleven

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Speaker 2: or twelve wins there, and when you start to look

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Speaker 2: at who you have to play, there's no gimmeis used

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Speaker 2: to be with the Patriots, the rest of the division

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Speaker 2: was a GIMMEI and you'd be like, all right, let

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Speaker 2: me lock in six wins here.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not the case anymore. So I think there's.

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Speaker 2: Eleven wins would be a good I think a good

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Speaker 2: start for the Jets.

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Speaker 12: And that look at that schedule, where are eleven wins?

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Speaker 12: And you could argue their Week one game at home

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Speaker 12: against the Bills is the most important game of the

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Speaker 12: year because if they lose that one of the Bills,

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Speaker 12: then they have to.

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Speaker 7: Go play in Buffalo later in the year. You get

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Speaker 7: swept by the Bills, you ain't win in that division.

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Speaker 12: You got to make up three games the rest of

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Speaker 12: the year to catch and pass the Bills. So they

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Speaker 12: need to hold serve in those legacy white uniforms that

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Speaker 12: you can buy wherever your equipment is sold. Please go

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Speaker 12: bye bye bye more because well, I mean, jel Woody

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Speaker 12: Johnson made thirty three point.

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Speaker 7: Seven million yesterday. I would he surely like to make

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Speaker 7: a lot more.

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Speaker 12: But that Week one game critical and we're gonna know

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Speaker 12: a lot about the Jets by the time it's Week four,

762
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Speaker 12: when the Chiefs come to Town.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think dislikes Aaron Rodgers More, Fritzy or

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Speaker 2: Mike Florio Paulieu.

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Speaker 4: Clearly Fritzy. Mike's using it as a tool and it's

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Speaker 4: working well for him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. But Mike, then you're saying Mike just

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Speaker 1: called Aaron Rodgers a tool.

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Speaker 2: No, that's what I took you to that, Uh Seaton,

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Speaker 2: Who do you think dislikes Aaron Rodgers More?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Mike.

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Speaker 6: Actually, I'm gonna go Mike.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Marvin, I'm gonna go Fritzy. Okay, so we're

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Speaker 2: split here and know what's your vote. I'm gonna go Fritzy.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think you're Skip baylessing Aaron Rodgers the way Skip

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Speaker 2: does Lebron James.

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Speaker 12: You know, if I didn't have so much respect and

779
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 12: so much appreciation for what he've done for my career,

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Speaker 12: turn off my computer right now.

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Speaker 1: And I apologize. I mean, there's no reason to get asked.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. That's all right, Mike,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Good talking.

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Speaker 1: That's Mike Floridan bro football time.

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Speaker 2: The look on Mike's face when I said, you're Skip

787
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Speaker 2: Baylessing Aaron Rodgers the way Skip does Lebron James, and

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00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: his face sort of was like, what all right, let's

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Speaker 2: take a break. We'll get some phone calls coming. Oh

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins make me cry. Darius Rucker, I think, is

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Speaker 2: going to join us next hour. We're eight days away

792
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Speaker 2: from Darius paying off the bet with Fritzy that Fritzie

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Speaker 2: gets to go on stage and sing two hole and

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Speaker 2: Oats songs. I had heard from Darius in a while.

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Speaker 2: I heard from him this morning and he said what time.

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Speaker 2: He didn't say, hey, love to join you. It was like,

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Speaker 2: what time, as if, let's get this over with, he'll

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Speaker 2: join us, I believe, coming up next hour and we'll

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Speaker 2: find out if he's paying off the bet that we had.

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Speaker 1: During the football season. Back after this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be

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Speaker 2: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until

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Speaker 2: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at

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00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. So

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones was talking about the franchise tag and the

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Speaker 2: system in the NFL quarterback friendly less running back friendly,

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Speaker 2: and here is the Cowboys owner.

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Speaker 10: There's no free lunch. You have to weigh the impact

810
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 10: to the team on every decision that you make, and

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Speaker 10: the system will cause it to evolve. And the system

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00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 10: has gotten more relative to the budgets that you have.

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Speaker 10: It's gotten more quarterback friendly and less running back friendly.

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Speaker 10: That isn't just the Cowboys. That's the game as it

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Speaker 10: is today.

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Speaker 1: Right. Kind of was obvious there with Jerry.

817
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Speaker 2: But Jerry did extend Zeke Elliott, probably to the detriment

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Speaker 2: of the Cowboys there. Tony Pollard got franchise tag or

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Speaker 2: he got paid ten million dollars franchise tag. So I

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Speaker 2: thought Dalvin Cook might end up there. I thought that'd

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Speaker 2: be too shiny for Jerry to pass up. That you

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Speaker 2: could get Dalvin Cook, let Tony Pollard come back a little,

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Speaker 2: you know, almost like what the Jets are doing with

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Speaker 2: Reese Hall with Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, if I'm a running back and I hear that,

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Speaker 4: I stop when I hear there's no free lunch. As

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Speaker 4: if we're asking for money that we're not earning on

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Speaker 4: the football field, you can't. You could say the market

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Speaker 4: is the market and the running backs are screwed. But

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Speaker 4: you can't say they don't give up as much or

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Speaker 4: more physically than any other player in the sport.

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Speaker 2: I like that these owners are actually speaking what they

833
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: actually think behind the scenes. You know, Jim mersay, this

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Speaker 2: is what he really thinks. Now he shouldn't say it

835
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: because Jonathan Taylor is going to want to get paid.

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Speaker 2: And Jerry down the Road has been in this situation

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Speaker 2: before with running backs. Uh odds to lead the NFL

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Speaker 2: in sacks this year, according to DraftKings, Marvin, I'm going

839
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Speaker 2: to start with you.

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Speaker 3: I know he's holding out, but still Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 2: Nick Bosa would be your odds on favorite. Second on

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Speaker 2: the list, Todd Chris Jones, Chris Jones, No, he's not.

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00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Uh Seaton O'Connor. Nick Bosa is Nick Bosa. No, he's

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Speaker 2: gonna have the second most to he know.

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Speaker 1: He has just the first. He's not going to have the.

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Speaker 2: Pauli, Milescarett, Miles Garrett, Well, blue bloop bloop, you got it.

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Speaker 1: Who's third on the list.

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Speaker 5: He's going to go Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, who's third on the list. Best odds to

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Speaker 2: lead the NFL in sex.

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Speaker 5: TJ Watt.

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Speaker 2: TJ Watt is fourth not in my book, Michael Parson, Oh,

853
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Speaker 2: Michaeh and then Hassan Reddick would be in there as well,

854
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Speaker 2: a distant fifth there. Those are the odds, according to DraftKings.

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Speaker 2: Let's see Dave in Arkansas. Hi, Dave, thanks for holding

856
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Speaker 2: What do you have on your mind?

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Speaker 1: Today?

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Speaker 11: They call me Pittsburgh days And I got recognized this

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Speaker 11: last weekend playing at a golf tournament in Memphis, play sixth.

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Speaker 11: Did win closest to the hole on a particular hole.

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Speaker 11: But when they announced our group and they announced, you know,

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Speaker 11: out of Arkansas, your day, and I said, they call

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Speaker 11: me Pittsburgh Dave, and the somebody said, you call it

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Speaker 11: Dan Patrick show yep uh. You want to go back

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Speaker 11: to when it started with the run what about Lady

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Speaker 11: on Bell? I mean, I know the Denver thing was,

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Speaker 11: but when Lady on Bell sat out the whole year

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Speaker 11: incomes Gene Connor, no problem.

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Speaker 2: I think that might have been the end though, Dave.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, he was getting paid, Jets paid him,

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Speaker 2: and then people.

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Speaker 1: Went, what are we doing? This is stupid, We're not

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Speaker 1: going to pay.

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Speaker 2: You might have been Le'Veon Bell holding out with the Steelers. Yeah, Mark, I.

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Speaker 3: Think there was a point where they had tandem running backs,

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Speaker 3: maybe in like the mid two thousands. Remember the Colts

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Speaker 3: had what Dominic Rhodes and a die Joseph Dunn. The

878
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: Saints had Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas. So I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, let's just get two running backs maybe,

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: like I hated this term, but thunder and lightning.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can go back to the Packers in the sixties.

882
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: Paul Horning and Jim Taylor, two guys are Hall of

883
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: famers and they were in the backfield for the Packers.

884
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: But back then you were running the football. The Cleveland

885
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: Browns had Leroy Kelly and Ernie Green think he was

886
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: the full back. They were two really good running backs,

887
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: Tom Maddie, Tom Maddie and Mitchell uh this is.

888
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: His first name, Lidell Mitchell, I think.

889
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: But that you know, Steelers had Frenchie Fuqua and Rocky

890
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: Blier and frank O Harris. So, I mean we've seen

891
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: this before, but then back then you would have a

892
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: full back. Now you don't have fullbacks anymore, yes, Mark.

893
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: Like Mike Allstatt and Wark done.

894
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, those were that was great running back tandem. Great, yeah,

895
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: all right, coming out What does Darius Rutger say to

896
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: Fritzy about being his opening act? In eight days, Darius

897
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: will join us pray for Fritzi