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Speaker 3: World rebirth and it's fun, fun, fun, outrageous dinosaur adventures.
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Speaker 1: Now, let's welcome in the super producer crew. First up,
Speaker 1: he has strong feelings about the score of Jurassic World Rebirth.
Speaker 1: Super Producer Aaron, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Jurassic Park is probably one of my top ten favorite movies.
Speaker 5: I love the original, I love dinosaurs. I've always loved dinosaurs.
Speaker 5: I was so excited to go see a new dinosaur movie.
Speaker 3: Common, how are you doing. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I know,
Speaker 6: like Aaron, I am of the Jurassic Park generation and
Speaker 6: grew up loving dinosaurs. I had many a Dino t
Speaker 6: shirts as a kid, and this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed this movie. I had a good time
Speaker 6: seeing it.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's get into it. First of all, should
Speaker 1: we start with our general thoughts on Jurassic World Rebirth?
Speaker 1: What did we think of the latest edition in the
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park franchise? The ip monster marches on Carmen, Let's
Speaker 1: start with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was. I was telling Aaron before everybody joined
Speaker 6: today that, you know, I think for me, seeing dinosaurs
Speaker 6: on the big screen is always a fun experience. It's really,
Speaker 6: really hard to mess that up, you know. And I
Speaker 6: think the first half of the movie for me was
Speaker 6: definitely the most engaging, the most exciting, because it had
Speaker 6: the most I think tension, because let's be real, the
Speaker 6: first half of the movie takes place mostly in the water,
Speaker 6: and I probably have what is it? The last of
Speaker 6: what is it? The lastophobia of Giant?
Speaker 4: I got it. I'm scared.
Speaker 6: I was terrified.
Speaker 3: I am I'm also scared, but love awarded the dinosaur
Speaker 3: type situation, so I relate.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think the second half of the movie was
Speaker 6: a little like once they arrived on the island, a
Speaker 6: little less engaging, and we'll talk about it more, but
Speaker 6: I think the I feel like the distortis Rex. The
Speaker 6: d Rex was underused and.
Speaker 1: Like a frozen turkey fresh out of the energy.
Speaker 4: Aaron, how about you? What was your feeling?
Speaker 5: There were a handful of moments that I loved. I
Speaker 5: was on the edge of my seat with you know,
Speaker 5: the spinosauruses and then then like the boat chase, that
Speaker 5: entire thing. Love the t rex raft scene, like I love,
Speaker 5: It's so nice to see that. Yeah, and from the
Speaker 5: book that didn't make it into the first movie to
Speaker 5: have it here was great. I thought, overall, this was
Speaker 5: like a bad movie that had some great things and
Speaker 5: it was fun to see with a bunch of popcorn.
Speaker 2: Like I went and saw the Adam Driver.
Speaker 5: Dinosaur Movie sixty I was twenty five. I was one
Speaker 5: of the sixty five people who actually saw that, So
Speaker 5: I'll go see whatever. I just there are a lot
Speaker 5: of things I was like, this is, this is I'm
Speaker 5: personally over mutated dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are scary and interesting enough,
Speaker 5: so I don't need the mutants.
Speaker 4: You you are not alone in that.
Speaker 3: We have definitely seen a kind of critical or quality
Speaker 3: question mark over the movie, Jason, how about you? Because
Speaker 3: me and Joel did the recap, so people have already
Speaker 3: had my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well, this is like, I mean, I agree, we can
Speaker 1: get into plot holes, and I'm eager to get into
Speaker 1: plot holes because I know you are like almost every
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park movie many first two. A lot of things
Speaker 1: wrong with this fucking movie.
Speaker 2: That said, I thought the set.
Speaker 1: Pieces were fantastic. Yeah, dinosaur action wonderful. I personally like
Speaker 1: the mutated dinosaurs. I think it was wise of them
Speaker 1: to wait until, you know, to kind of reveal them
Speaker 1: later in the movie. I thought that was the way
Speaker 1: to go. I thought that once you got the first
Speaker 1: half hours a little slow for me, but once it
Speaker 1: really gets going, I'm just here for the action set pieces.
Speaker 1: Like everything else, if you scratch it a little bit,
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, Like like again, we'll table this, okay, But
Speaker 1: just my headline is why why does the pharmacy ceo
Speaker 1: go on this mission? Like there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that are ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Send the guy just as.
Speaker 1: Potential trillion dollar drug like franchise that you're gonna make
Speaker 1: from this, and you still like eight guys.
Speaker 4: And when Jonathan Bailey is when he's like, just send
Speaker 4: an army, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, correct, that's actually the right thing to do.
Speaker 4: Just like do that, guys. We see.
Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed it. I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I think it's my like third or fourth favorite Jurassic movie.
Speaker 5: To be fair, there are only seven of them, so
Speaker 5: four is the middle.
Speaker 4: Hey, still the middle.
Speaker 3: I would also say, as well, this is an interesting
Speaker 3: exercise in shrinking a world very quickly, because the Jurassic
Speaker 3: World movies were every dinosaur is out, Dinosaurs are just living,
Speaker 3: Dinosaurs are at the drive in, dinosaurs are everywhere.
Speaker 4: This is very much.
Speaker 3: About like, how do you make an intimate, small scale,
Speaker 3: kind of back to basics Jurassic movie. But then you know,
Speaker 3: you hire Gareth Edwards, who's actually really greatest those big
Speaker 3: stuff good.
Speaker 4: You're being Rosie.
Speaker 1: That's exactly I think what I was responding to you, like,
Speaker 1: I like Jurassic Park three. I think a lot more
Speaker 1: than many people because I like.
Speaker 4: It very fun. I also like it.
Speaker 1: I liked it it's not trying to add a ton
Speaker 1: of stuff to the lore. It's just this kind of
Speaker 1: like self contained, almost like bottle Jurassic Park movie. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what this movie is. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like a bottle movie for Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's a good point, and I do
Speaker 3: think that that was what David Kep was going for original.
Speaker 4: Jurassic Park right. Also, I would say of.
Speaker 3: The screenplay, obviously based on the Michael Crichton, but I
Speaker 3: would also say this is very different for a Jurassic
Speaker 3: World movie, because the last three Jurassic World movies are
Speaker 3: all about like the amount of people at the park
Speaker 3: or the way that the dinosaurs are interacting with other people.
Speaker 4: But here it really is that eight you know, eight
Speaker 4: to twelve people.
Speaker 3: Cost once you get the family in and once a
Speaker 3: few people end up getting eaten, and by the end
Speaker 3: you have this really kind of tiny cast. How did
Speaker 3: that work for the steaks? For you, guys, Aaron, you
Speaker 3: didn't enjoy it as much. Do you feel like not
Speaker 3: having them kind of running around the park or having
Speaker 3: other people at the park lowered the escapes stakes for you?
Speaker 5: Actually likes the tiny cast, and I think the cast
Speaker 5: could have been smaller. Recipes to ed screen Who is
Speaker 5: there for six lines?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know. I was so excited to see it, and
Speaker 3: then I was like, I was like, who from LA.
Speaker 4: Wrote that name? Because I know that's an Atwater village name.
Speaker 2: I saw him and I was like, oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was in this, and then he was.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, but okay.
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, though, let's talk about how the movie
Speaker 3: establishes this kind of new world of dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: This is one of the things that I.
Speaker 3: Think is an instant issue in the Jurassic World movies,
Speaker 3: and I saw somebody write about this way more eloquently.
Speaker 3: But the idea that people are bored of dinosaurs, it's like,
Speaker 3: I get it in the first Drassic World movie.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: You've had the park for twenty years, but if your
Speaker 3: movie starts with the idea of people are bored of dinosaurs,
Speaker 3: are you inherently like making the audience less interested?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in those dinosaurs.
Speaker 5: I joked with Carmen before this. That's why no one
Speaker 5: goes to see tigers and lyons at zoos. That's why
Speaker 5: no one goes to see Hamilton on Broadway anymore, because
Speaker 5: everyone is bored.
Speaker 2: Of those things. No, no one would get bored of dinosaurs. Like,
Speaker 2: let's let's stop with that that fib.
Speaker 1: I found that interesting only in that I now want
Speaker 1: to know more about this chaotic shit world that must exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but order for people to just be like, hey, there's
Speaker 1: dinosaurs running around the equator free and don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: It's just the theeosaurus in New York.
Speaker 1: I did for me. It was more. I felt like
Speaker 1: a better way to go is, hey, every time we
Speaker 1: try a theme park, like a thousand people get killed.
Speaker 3: So yes, we just can't do it any respect to
Speaker 3: go legitimate.
Speaker 4: I also like I would what I would have loved
Speaker 4: to see.
Speaker 3: I would love to see, like if we're doing little
Speaker 3: kind of like pushed through. This was a push through
Speaker 3: movie really really quick, end up taking a random release date.
Speaker 3: That's why it doesn't have a three D release. That's
Speaker 3: why it doesn't have an IMAX release. I would love
Speaker 3: to see, like, who is getting sued over the fact
Speaker 3: that dinosaurs were just released into the world at the
Speaker 3: end of Fallen Kingdom, Like, I feel like there is
Speaker 3: some legal issues about the world that I do want
Speaker 3: to know, but this movie is not interested in them.
Speaker 3: This is a meet the Gang, get the gang to
Speaker 3: the island, and start killing people. Because this is also
Speaker 3: very interestingly one of the first movies since well the
Speaker 3: first Jurassic Park movie where they have leaned into the
Speaker 3: idea of like enjoying seeing dinosaurs kill people with our
Speaker 3: evil CEO character.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3: Definitely a bit more violent, it's a bit more horror.
Speaker 4: How did that.
Speaker 3: Sit with you, guys? Did you feel like that work?
Speaker 3: Calm and I know your horror babe, one of our
Speaker 3: scream queens, How did that aspect to work for you?
Speaker 6: I felt like it didn't lean into the horror enough
Speaker 6: quite honestly, because I felt like the distortus Rex could
Speaker 6: have been really, really terrifying if they had a used
Speaker 6: it a little bit more. I know, that's such a
Speaker 6: funny name, and.
Speaker 3: Dude, it was I was at the Universe. I'm also
Speaker 3: like they didn't finish Like they finished it. They gave
Speaker 3: it a name, but like it was just left there.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like, would they really have
Speaker 4: given it a name?
Speaker 3: But Yeah, I was saying with my friend after we'd
Speaker 3: been at Universal all day and we went to watch
Speaker 3: it, it was like eleven pm at night, and they would just.
Speaker 4: Like, why does he have such a big head? Like
Speaker 4: every time he came on, they were just like his
Speaker 4: five head, Like, I just why does he look so dorfy?
Speaker 4: He's got it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that ties back to a bigger
Speaker 6: conversation we've been having at the screen queens in our
Speaker 6: own little group chat just about how monster design in
Speaker 6: the in the in general is kind of on a
Speaker 6: downward slope thests. You know, monster design is not really.
Speaker 4: Post No Speratu.
Speaker 6: Yes we have the No Sparatu monster slump. Yes, I
Speaker 6: would agree, And so for me, I felt like, if
Speaker 6: you have this big, giant, scary monster, I want I
Speaker 6: wanted to I want to see it a little bit more,
Speaker 6: but I also want to, like, I want the elements
Speaker 6: of the movie to be a little more horr and
Speaker 6: a little less action. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did that work for you? Jason?
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with Carmen, I think in terms of
Speaker 1: just to add to what Carmen said about creature design,
Speaker 1: I feel like the creatures are too in this movie generally,
Speaker 1: and generally in movies nowadays, are too clean. Like it's
Speaker 1: they look and they look really cool and they look real,
Speaker 1: but you know, like a real animal has like snot
Speaker 1: and weird stuff coming off of it and things, and
Speaker 1: that was very muche grossness, and you don't feel the
Speaker 1: grossness of these creatures like at all, hardly at all,
Speaker 1: And to me, that's that takes away from the impact
Speaker 1: of it. I will say that I wanted more horror.
Speaker 1: It's always made sense to me to make this, you know,
Speaker 1: like the the most effective set pieces the first two
Speaker 1: Jurassics were to me like horror set pieces.
Speaker 4: Essentially, the car, the kitchen, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so like that to me has always been the
Speaker 1: heartbeat of this film, is like the dinosaurs are loose,
Speaker 1: they're really scary and they're killing people. And I did
Speaker 1: like listen, I did like that this movie is really
Speaker 1: leaning into even with the family is like, you want
Speaker 1: to see it. You want to see him get fucking eaten,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like this disrespectful young guys.
Speaker 1: Get eaten? Does he not?
Speaker 3: Well, it has they have had issues and obviously the
Speaker 3: first Drassic Park we get to see the lawyer eating
Speaker 3: on the toilet legendary, but since then they have struggled
Speaker 3: at times, like in Jurassic World, very famously, the let's
Speaker 3: put it in the Commas kind of annoying, nagging assistant
Speaker 3: character just randomly gets like the most horrifics very legendarily. Yes,
Speaker 3: and so this at least gives us like an evil,
Speaker 3: big farmer guy to root for, Like by the time
Speaker 3: he's getting killed, you're happy with what's gonna happen to him?
Speaker 4: Aaron, how did you feel about that? Because we do
Speaker 4: get quite a lot of dino deaths in this movie.
Speaker 5: You mean death to dino's or deaths of Dinah, death
Speaker 5: of dinos.
Speaker 4: Deaths at the mouths of dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that.
Speaker 5: I'm not a horror person. I think that the first
Speaker 5: Drastic Park has so much good horror in it. For me,
Speaker 5: someone who doesn't want to see a horror movie. There
Speaker 5: are so many scary things in that first one, and
Speaker 5: the second one even has some really good horror elements.
Speaker 5: I think this one I my favorite parts. I think
Speaker 5: were more of the action scenes with a lot of
Speaker 5: thrill and suspense to them, rather than the d Rex
Speaker 5: and like it. It was an incredible shot when it
Speaker 5: emerges from the smoke and the fog and it has
Speaker 5: just bitten the helicopter like that was I wanted more
Speaker 5: that from him him being the d Rex. I I
Speaker 5: actually don't know it's gender, where its distortus lies within
Speaker 5: the spectrum, but I I thought that the horror and
Speaker 5: the scary elements worked really well, so as someone who
Speaker 5: doesn't like scary movies, this was sufficiently scary. Could have
Speaker 5: been maybe even a little scarier, but that's not essential
Speaker 5: to a good dinosaur. Sorry, it's not essential that it
Speaker 5: has these mutants I think to be scary, because I
Speaker 5: still think the t Rex raft scene in the middle
Speaker 5: of the day had my heart going so hot. I
Speaker 5: mean that was seeing it swim and then come up
Speaker 5: onto on them, like, oh, I love that. I loved
Speaker 5: it so much. So yeah, I wanted I could have
Speaker 5: used more stuff like that. And the scene we haven't
Speaker 5: even talked about that that was that was scary too,
Speaker 5: and just watching it like climb, which like as I'm
Speaker 5: climbing out of the cave and it's like going up
Speaker 5: the wall.
Speaker 6: Oh, it was.
Speaker 4: Really Oh my, poor guy, I was really reading Kim.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a quick break and when we were back,
Speaker 3: we will get Aaron's thoughts as our most.
Speaker 4: Prolific musician on the scores of Joss. And we're back, Aaron,
Speaker 4: let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the score.
Speaker 5: Before I saw the movie, you and Joel had already
Speaker 5: seen it, and you Joel just mentioned.
Speaker 4: That Joel was not a fan of the director.
Speaker 5: And Joe well was interested in what I was going
Speaker 5: to say about the score. And it's very common now
Speaker 5: that when I see a movie, it's great having all
Speaker 5: of you. I will immediately text one of you a
Speaker 5: lot of times when I leave a movie if you've
Speaker 5: already seen it. And I just texted Joelle as I
Speaker 5: walked out, and I was like, you were not kidding
Speaker 5: about the score. So here's I've prepared a little statement.
Speaker 5: If this gets too long, we can cut things but
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna go for this all right. As we know,
Speaker 5: this movie does a lot to reference and mirror the
Speaker 5: first film in the franchise, so it would be only
Speaker 5: natural that the score would have nods to Jonathan will
Speaker 5: John Williams's masterpiece that accompanied that first roun Mister Jonathan Williams. However,
Speaker 5: the score here calls back to Williams's original work, with
Speaker 5: lait motifs and spots that are random at best and
Speaker 5: just flat out misunderstood at worst. In the original, the
Speaker 5: most memorable pieces bring out a childlike sense of awe
Speaker 5: and wonder We're seeing a freaking dinosaur for the first time. Here,
Speaker 5: they're used in spots that offer no awe and no
Speaker 5: wonder whatsoever. First up, the first time we get John
Speaker 5: Williams's piece, we have Scarlett and Jonathan Bailey sitting on
Speaker 5: the edge of the boat while hunting the Mosesaurus. The
Speaker 5: scene is set to the piece Zora and Loomis Chat.
Speaker 5: Now top in my head. That is the actual name
Speaker 5: of the piece, Zora and Loomis Chat. It's remaking elements
Speaker 5: of the iconic Welcome to Jurassic Park from the original.
Speaker 5: In the original, Alan Grant has that iconic rise up
Speaker 5: from the jeep, grab Ellie's head and turn it because
Speaker 5: she's not looking at the dinosaur, and then they both
Speaker 5: run around like they're a dog who's never been outside.
Speaker 2: For the very first time.
Speaker 5: In Rebirth, the characters are talking about they're developing this
Speaker 5: tension of do we give the blood samples to the
Speaker 5: corporation or not? Do we open source it, which, as
Speaker 5: far as I can tell, a textbook example of childhood
Speaker 5: awe and wonder do we open source this blood DNA
Speaker 5: for pharmaceuticals? This this to me, was like if you
Speaker 5: had the god a new Godzilla movie and you play
Speaker 5: the Godzilla theme when a military general enters the cafeteria
Speaker 5: for the first time.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is incredible, next.
Speaker 6: To us perfect.
Speaker 5: The second time we get John Williams music heavily featured
Speaker 5: is in Dino Spectacle. That's the name of the piece
Speaker 5: which plays during the Titanosaur scene, so clearly echoing the
Speaker 5: Brachiosaurus reveal in the very first one where I talked
Speaker 5: about with Alan Grant Settler. Uh, Ellie and uh again,
Speaker 5: this is our first time seeing these majestic sora pods
Speaker 5: up close. Except in the first film, it's our first
Speaker 5: time seeing a dinosaur. We briefly saw the raptor obscured
Speaker 5: by shadows in the cage, but in Rebirth, our characters
Speaker 5: have already encountered two separate species of dinosaurs. They've attacked
Speaker 5: and decimated their boat, and they've killed multiple crew members.
Speaker 5: We open the movie with a dying Sora pod in
Speaker 5: New York that everyone just treats like someone handing out
Speaker 5: tickets to a free comedy show. Here we get this moment,
Speaker 5: and instead of something beautiful, it's Scarlett Johanson loading the
Speaker 5: gun and getting ready to shoot the dinosaur in the act.
Speaker 4: Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Do not disagree with you, and I am gonna tap
Speaker 3: in Jason as another musician face thoughts, but I will
Speaker 3: just say Jonathan Bailey is acting his fucking ass off
Speaker 3: in that moment though because I was tearing up, the
Speaker 3: guy next to me was tearing up.
Speaker 4: He sells it.
Speaker 3: Even if the music doesn't like his acting, you believe
Speaker 3: that he has seen the dinosaur.
Speaker 4: Jason.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and say that Displatt
Speaker 1: is on the level of John Williams, but I think
Speaker 1: we're misunderstanding how movie making works. It's a lot, Like
Speaker 1: how when I was doing a lot of journalism, someone
Speaker 1: would complain this headline is inaccurate to me, and I'm like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't write the headline. See editor, Gareth Edwards decides
Speaker 1: where the music goes, and Displatt is making the stuff
Speaker 1: that Gareth Edwards is responding to, and so I don't
Speaker 1: discount that. Like I don't know if the if the
Speaker 1: introductions and the motifs would I would generally put them
Speaker 1: in the places that they are. But I think this
Speaker 1: is now the third collaboration between Edwards and Dysplatter the second,
Speaker 1: and I think Edwards likes the music where he likes it,
Speaker 1: which is when the action is happening, and not as
Speaker 1: a face, not as a space filler or or a
Speaker 1: space elevator or in a mood elevator. And that's on him.
Speaker 2: If you don't like it.
Speaker 5: To me, Yeah, look, I don't want to disparage Displat's score.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of pieces in here. I actually
Speaker 5: really like. I've talked already about that t Rex Raft scene. Also,
Speaker 5: Birds Boat Chase is great about Chase is good. The
Speaker 5: action ones are good. I do agree that they the quiet.
Speaker 1: Ones don't have the sense of magic and what you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of ephemeral chemistry that others. I mean, it's hard,
Speaker 1: like you're saying John Williams, it's like, hey, you're not
Speaker 1: as good as Michael Jordan at basketball.
Speaker 4: Exact like, we get it.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the things I do
Speaker 1: think that in terms of positioning and placement, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of that's got to be on Edwards of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And far be it from me to say there's
Speaker 5: something wrong with the score itself. Maybe I'm just having
Speaker 5: a complaint about the guy that directed Rogue one.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: A coming together. It's all coming I.
Speaker 5: Do want to point out Jonathan Bailey fun fact played
Speaker 5: clarinet growing up, and he asked to be there for
Speaker 5: the recordings, sat in on the recording and actually played
Speaker 5: the clarinet for the theme for Doctor Loomis.
Speaker 2: So that was here. It's I mean, like, could we
Speaker 2: like this guy anymore?
Speaker 4: So he's definitely in my fave.
Speaker 3: I thought him and Mahershela, I thought they had great chemistry.
Speaker 3: We know, like you said, ed Screen gets killed off
Speaker 3: that poor french woman at the beginning, she gets killed
Speaker 3: off in a very scary moment. Yeah, common, What are
Speaker 3: your feelings on the chemistry the leads? Do you need
Speaker 3: to see Scarlett you handsome return? Can she just continue
Speaker 3: on to her next project and we just have Maherschela.
Speaker 3: Can you even see these characters continuing on? Because it
Speaker 3: does leave things in a kind of finite place in
Speaker 3: some ways it does.
Speaker 6: I really like the introduction of Jonathan Bailey as what's
Speaker 6: his name, doctor Loomis. Loomis, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite doctors in any Jurassic Park, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 6: He was great. But the entire time I kept trying
Speaker 6: to figure out are they trying to make some sort
Speaker 6: of like romantic connection happen between his character and Scarlett
Speaker 6: Johansson's character, because I was feeling no chemistry between the two,
Speaker 6: but they kept like having like, I don't know, flirtation
Speaker 6: with each other. That I was like, is are they
Speaker 6: trying to lean into that?
Speaker 3: I think I really they will want they don't kiss,
Speaker 3: they don't kiss. I think they wanted a Twisters type situation, yeah,
Speaker 3: where the chemistry is so high that everyone's annoyed they
Speaker 3: don't kiss.
Speaker 4: But it did, Yes, it did not mean that way.
Speaker 4: I was glad they did not commit to the kiss.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I did like.
Speaker 3: The suggestive part where she where he like chained her
Speaker 3: to the boat. I was like, that was like, I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, there's something going on between the two
Speaker 3: of you here.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is, right, but yeah, I
Speaker 6: felt like I felt like in those instances, Jonathan Bailey
Speaker 6: was carrying a lot more of the chemistry. Loved mahershall
Speaker 6: Ali's character, and I feel terrible that like his whole
Speaker 6: crew basically, I know, and he.
Speaker 3: Was the only one who seemed to care about it
Speaker 3: and was not bothered, not bothered at all.
Speaker 4: Duncan Kincaid incredible action.
Speaker 6: Name, crazy name.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's some real uncharged type situation. And this
Speaker 3: is a very like uncharted Indiana Jones.
Speaker 4: It inspired movie, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's start talking about you know, we're not
Speaker 3: gonna plot hole a Jurassic World movie, because the truth
Speaker 3: is it's all ahole because guess dinosaurs can't be born
Speaker 3: back to life from DNA. But let's start talking about
Speaker 3: maybe some of the inconsistencies. We get this great scene
Speaker 3: early on when Loomis is talking to Atwater played by
Speaker 3: nscreen Irip, who gets killed by a spinosaurus, and the
Speaker 3: film makes this kind of big deal where he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're gonna tell me it's like illegal to kill a dinosaur,
Speaker 3: and Jonathan Bailey acts his ass off once again.
Speaker 4: And he's like, no, I'm gonna tell you it's a sin.
Speaker 3: But then, as a superducer Aaron has pointed out, Bennett
Speaker 3: immediately shoots a dinosaur that's shunning them. Isabella takes the
Speaker 3: baby Aquilops the Larees breakout star from like the.
Speaker 4: Only environment known that she can survive in. So where
Speaker 4: do we land? Is it a sin to kill a dinosaur?
Speaker 4: Is it not a sin? What do you guys feel
Speaker 4: about it?
Speaker 1: It's a sin to kill a person in yet.
Speaker 4: Jesus said it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I've found this to be I think that this
Speaker 1: is a conversation that would take place in a world
Speaker 1: in which dinosaurs exist, right, you have people concerned about
Speaker 1: like the treatment of the dinosaurs and whether they're being
Speaker 1: handled violently or un.
Speaker 4: Ethic, which was a major point of Yes, And I.
Speaker 1: Think that that too. So I think that like, technically, yes,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. These are very intelligent creatures that we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be like shooting so that we can like extract their
Speaker 1: DNA for pharmaceutical purposes. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like I kind of feel the same way about this
Speaker 1: that I feel about these conversations that you see more
Speaker 1: and more now about whether, Okay, so if AI comes
Speaker 1: to life, like it should get human rights, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, technically, but until we can guarantee human
Speaker 1: rights for all the actual humans, Like I hear that
Speaker 1: much if we shoot a dinosaur, like I think it's terrible,
Speaker 1: but like, sometimes you got to shoot a dinosaurus.
Speaker 3: Also, it very interesting to me that in this movie
Speaker 3: we don't get a lot of the kind of that
Speaker 3: in the old movies, right, Like you had either Beattie
Speaker 3: Wong or you had good old Jeff Goldbloom as in
Speaker 3: Malcolm basically being like, hey, these aren't really animals like
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 4: They're not dinosaurs. They are hybrid creations. They are kind
Speaker 4: of this you know.
Speaker 3: Part frog part, this part that they're monsters, their abaritions, but.
Speaker 4: We didn't have that here. Here.
Speaker 3: They were just like it's a dinosaur man, They're back.
Speaker 3: This is how they're back now, And.
Speaker 2: You know what, sometimes you.
Speaker 4: Just got to kill them.
Speaker 6: Another great dinosaur movie.
Speaker 1: They're back speaking of like more platforms.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that. Well, first of all, the
Speaker 1: CEO being on the trip is insane just sending someone else.
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's a trillion dollar project, but he
Speaker 3: has been in charge of why is.
Speaker 1: Why are you there where?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: If there ever are let's say, you survive, if there
Speaker 1: ever are like charges about it, you were physically there,
Speaker 1: like running the whole thing. Nicer one you don't go
Speaker 1: and number two is like a trillion dollars. I think
Speaker 1: we can invest in more guys, like why are we
Speaker 1: sending such a small team of guys? And my only
Speaker 1: other note is this, I think in certain Jurassic movies
Speaker 1: and this is one of them, we don't need the family.
Speaker 1: I think I understand that it is that I.
Speaker 3: Think if that's a mercenary involved, you don't need the family.
Speaker 1: They don't need it. And I think that I understand
Speaker 1: that it's a core part of the DNA of the
Speaker 1: dress or friend show, but it just felt like to
Speaker 1: shoehorned in this time and it's like as soon as
Speaker 1: you see them, you know, the archetype. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's dating the knucklehead and the dad is really nice
Speaker 1: and this one is mischief this and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, Like I didn't. I just personally didn't
Speaker 1: need it. I don't know if anybody else feels that way.
Speaker 6: No, I've felt the same way.
Speaker 3: I think that it is an understandable addition because we've
Speaker 3: basically always had at least a kid, but in the
Speaker 3: Jurassic World movies, they at least by the second movie,
Speaker 3: got made that a lot weirder, and we're like, okay, well.
Speaker 4: It's a clone. It's a weird clone child. So I'm like,
Speaker 4: let's do a little bit of a reach.
Speaker 3: Also, I do think that it's very speaking of plotolish,
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so your dad and you decided that
Speaker 3: even in a world where there are real life dinosaurs,
Speaker 3: like giant giant dinosaurs, you just have to you know,
Speaker 3: sail across the Atlantic Ocean. Also, what kind of that, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of like houses you guys
Speaker 3: were raised them.
Speaker 4: But my dad was definitely not letting me bring like
Speaker 4: my sexy.
Speaker 3: Boyfriend who I'm just like, fucking in the boat constantly
Speaker 3: like what was that?
Speaker 1: That absolutely like negates the relieving town plan, Like the
Speaker 1: whole thing is to take you away from this guy,
Speaker 1: and he's coming.
Speaker 3: He's just gonna eat el sisters, sisters, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So guys, one more little plot holes.
Speaker 4: Please, because I was gonna just bring up another.
Speaker 5: There is not really a plot hole, but the fact
Speaker 5: that the Chekhov's fill in the blank is actually a
Speaker 5: gun in a movie featuring dinosaurs and mutant dinosaurs, and
Speaker 5: the thing is a guy who found a handgun.
Speaker 2: That to me was like, okay, come on, we got
Speaker 2: like raptors right around I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, also, couldn't that be like a cool gun
Speaker 3: we had like special gun that you had to use,
Speaker 3: not just like a handgun.
Speaker 1: And someone explain, Can someone explain that the the requirements
Speaker 1: for the drug DNA has your biggest dinosaurs? Y?
Speaker 2: Yes, I read this.
Speaker 3: This was cracking based on what like, No, this was
Speaker 3: absolutely cracking me up because in the movie I was
Speaker 3: waiting for them to explain it and they were basically like, well,
Speaker 3: it's because they've got the biggest hearts, so you can
Speaker 3: see you can the coronary muscles are stronger. That's what
Speaker 3: Sexy Glasses Jonathan Bailey says, and he's like, so you
Speaker 3: gotta do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna tell you what was clear to me, this.
Speaker 3: Is another franchise filmmaker, just like Ryan Johnson, JJ Abrams
Speaker 3: or these other people who watched Avatar the Last Airbender
Speaker 3: and was like, yes, this is very appealing to me
Speaker 3: because it's like I was cracking up when they're like, we.
Speaker 4: Gotta get the biggest dinosaurs from the air.
Speaker 3: The sea and the Okay nation, when are they starting right?
Speaker 4: And you said you have a plot point, let's talk.
Speaker 6: About it at the end. I was very confused in
Speaker 6: the end. In the swamp scene, it's nighttime, they've got
Speaker 6: the flares. Mahruschela Ali is trying to get away from
Speaker 6: the d Rex. It was incredibly confusing to me how
Speaker 6: he basically just like turned a corner, lit another flare
Speaker 6: and then was fine, like out of the sight of
Speaker 6: the Direx. I'm like, this thing is huge. Can he
Speaker 6: not see you over the trees or anything.
Speaker 4: It was very Direx's dumb.
Speaker 2: He's got a big head b d Rex's battery. Instead,
Speaker 2: he had to go back and he just had to
Speaker 2: play it out.
Speaker 3: I will say I did love Maherschel and not getting killed,
Speaker 3: but I did also think it was like very hilarious because,
Speaker 3: like you say, he is the world's best like underwater
Speaker 3: swimmer or something. Right, there's like a reason that he
Speaker 3: is able to escape. Also, let's ask the other question, Aaron,
Speaker 3: how many islands do you think they did experiments?
Speaker 4: Because we're at seven islands at this point.
Speaker 1: We just came up with another island. I seem to
Speaker 1: remember that the that it was central to the plot
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Second to me, right, that the.
Speaker 1: Dinosaurs are dying and then and then there was also
Speaker 1: like an entire like island they got blown up, So like,
Speaker 1: what's happened?
Speaker 2: Where are these?
Speaker 4: How many islands? Also how much money?
Speaker 3: Like we know in gen had a lot of money,
Speaker 3: but did it have like twenty five island money, like
Speaker 3: twenty five private islands?
Speaker 4: Like that's a whole different level of corporate oversight.
Speaker 3: And also at least in the first three Jurassic Park movies,
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, I love the opening of
Speaker 3: the third one. I think it's so scary where the
Speaker 3: kid is like parasailing around and they have to pay
Speaker 3: a guy loads of money to take them there, because
Speaker 3: nobody will go at this point though, they just got
Speaker 3: like islands just out there, like they got islands with
Speaker 3: the evilist Sarlac I mean, rancors looking them off, Dinosaur
Speaker 3: and they don't even have a chain around the island
Speaker 3: or a military thing. They're just like, nah, just go,
Speaker 3: it's fine, it's okay, Aaron. How many islands do you
Speaker 3: think there are?
Speaker 6: Ultimate?
Speaker 2: How many more movies do you want?
Speaker 4: I'm hoping for at least ten more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, like why doesn't I don't I guess I don't
Speaker 1: understand why Engine or the other one don't have the
Speaker 1: DNA somewhere like in an archive, Like why do we
Speaker 1: need to come out?
Speaker 2: They bought all this stuff from the Engine.
Speaker 4: Auction, I thought.
Speaker 3: I guess when in between the original Jurassic Park and
Speaker 3: then I believe that in gen was essentially like taken
Speaker 3: over by the mas Rani Corporation. Who's the guy who
Speaker 3: insists on riding driving his own helicopter in the first
Speaker 3: movie and like smashes into the avery very fun in
Speaker 3: Jurassic World. I'm guessing at some point then this I
Speaker 3: think it's like Parker Nugenix.
Speaker 4: Or something in the new one. They must have bought it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean in Gen is like legit one
Speaker 3: of the worst companies that has ever existed. Like they
Speaker 3: they've got no corporate oversight, they've got no archives.
Speaker 4: Apparently.
Speaker 3: Also, one of the guys who created Engen, the guy
Speaker 3: who was revealed alongside.
Speaker 4: Classic you know, Hammond Engen.
Speaker 3: Used the technology to clone his own daughter, who died
Speaker 3: of illness, and then raised her as his granddaughter. So
Speaker 3: I think these are not saying people who were in charge,
Speaker 3: but I guess they were less greedy than this guy.
Speaker 1: I will say that I want a live taping of
Speaker 1: how did this get made? They were talking about fast
Speaker 1: X and I'm not sure this made this into the
Speaker 1: show because it was live, so there was a lot
Speaker 1: of it was seth Rogen and so there was like
Speaker 1: a lot of Shane. There's a lot of Shnans, and
Speaker 1: he was he knows Charlie's so he was like telling
Speaker 1: a lot of like off, you know, stories that she
Speaker 1: had told him. And I don't know if it made
Speaker 1: it into the it's the episode, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm breaking anything, but I'm gonna tell it now.
Speaker 1: So there was apparently like this funny moment where uh,
Speaker 1: something happened on one of the like uh, one of
Speaker 1: the scenes in one of the fasts got changed, right,
Speaker 1: And so these writers that they had hired I want
Speaker 1: to say it was Lord and Miller, but I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. It's some like young writing
Speaker 1: teams that they had hired to kind of like punch
Speaker 1: up and work on this had come in and they
Speaker 1: saw that some big thing had gotten changed and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, this like kind of changes
Speaker 1: a lot of the other scenes we need. So they
Speaker 1: were sitting there like in the offices up all night,
Speaker 1: like writing, writing, writing, trying to fix this, and whoever
Speaker 1: one of the producers comes in and is like, guys,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here. It's like, oh, but they
Speaker 1: changed this thing and they and the producer just goes stop,
Speaker 1: stops up, sun, who fucking cares? Yeah, do you know
Speaker 1: what we're making?
Speaker 6: Just like who can do it?
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of like obviously, I think they don't want it to
Speaker 1: be dumb dumb no, no, But like the CEO of
Speaker 1: the Parasitical Company didn't personally go.
Speaker 2: On this Dinosaur.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like how much suspension of this belief do
Speaker 4: you have? How much of the kind of enjoy? So
Speaker 4: I will say great, great, lay up.
Speaker 3: There, Jason, because later we will be talking about which
Speaker 3: franchises we want Jurassic Parks and.
Speaker 2: One of them for me, it's fast.
Speaker 4: Let's go to an ad break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 4: Am I back?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to start with you, Aaron, asking this
Speaker 3: somber question, where do we stand post seeing this movie
Speaker 3: on Gareth Edwards as a director because Rogue One, as
Speaker 3: we know notoriously had to be basically saved from the
Speaker 3: brink of production hell by the Tone Zone Tony Gilroy
Speaker 3: Godzilla twenty fourteen, though it did end up launching the
Speaker 3: legendary Monster Verse, that was kind of a mixed bag
Speaker 3: and also tonally just completely different from anything that they're
Speaker 3: doing in that franchise now. Then twenty twenty three he
Speaker 3: had the Creator, which was the AI kind of war movie,
Speaker 3: but that got really fantastic reviews, specifically for the visuals,
Speaker 3: but story wise did not really hit and did not
Speaker 3: make a lot of money.
Speaker 4: So like, how are you feeling?
Speaker 3: You're feeling like you are correct in your Rogue One hatred?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like Gareth Edwards? You just don't get it.
Speaker 4: You hate English people?
Speaker 3: Like, what is it?
Speaker 2: I hate anyone from over the part?
Speaker 5: Now, I think one of the things I think is
Speaker 5: weird is I've read something that he really wanted to
Speaker 5: He loved the rank or design from Star Wars and
Speaker 5: wanted to make something like that, so instead of including
Speaker 5: it in his Star Wars movie, he included that in
Speaker 5: his Jurassic Park movie. So next he's gonna do, I
Speaker 5: don't know, a Star Trek movie and there will be
Speaker 5: a t Rex in it because he wanted to like
Speaker 5: something else. I think, honestly, you know, I know I
Speaker 5: am in the minority and not liking Rogue One. There
Speaker 5: were a lot of moments in this film I really enjoyed.
Speaker 5: I would watch another thing he does. I'm not gonna,
Speaker 5: you know, count it out just because he's involved. So
Speaker 5: I am probably surprisingly more on board with him doing
Speaker 5: something else, not necessarily another Jurassic Park maybe, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll watch another thing he does.
Speaker 3: Common how do you feel about Gareth Edwards off to
Speaker 3: that little recap of his cinematic history, Well.
Speaker 6: Only having seen Rogue One, and the twenty fourteen Godzilla.
Speaker 6: You know, I would say he's not like Uie Bowl
Speaker 6: levels of bad director.
Speaker 3: You know. She said, yes, she said guys, she said, guys,
Speaker 3: do you need somebody to talk about the movies?
Speaker 6: Because yes, yes, yes, so he's not quite a B
Speaker 6: movie director. But I do think in terms of like
Speaker 6: these big movies, I would have loved to have seen
Speaker 6: what this would have been like if Steven Spielberg had
Speaker 6: returned to the director's seat. You know, not that he would,
Speaker 6: but I would have just I would just love to
Speaker 6: see what that would be like. I think it was
Speaker 6: kind of a you know, kind of mid in comparison
Speaker 6: to the original trilogy.
Speaker 4: And I will say too, I've struggled to keep that like.
Speaker 3: The emotional or enjoy and emotion comboed with the kind
Speaker 3: of massive dino.
Speaker 2: And pharmaceutical discussions.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I will say too, like I went back
Speaker 6: and rewatched, Well, I've never watched any of the Chris
Speaker 6: Pratt because I just take Chris Pratt, but I've never
Speaker 6: watched any of the Jurassic World movies. And so I
Speaker 6: went back. It was free on two B so I said, yes,
Speaker 6: I will sit down and watch this free on two
Speaker 6: B movie, and I found that the way that they
Speaker 6: used that Indominus Rex that in that movie was a
Speaker 6: lot more effective and a lot more scary than what
Speaker 6: ended up happening with the d Rex. So I think
Speaker 6: it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like mid Yeah, you got to see something else from him.
Speaker 3: I will say I first when I first saw this
Speaker 3: movie in forty X, which by the way, guys, I
Speaker 3: am not sponsored by forty X, But this is the
Speaker 3: movie if you are like this, no, no, no, this
Speaker 3: is the movie.
Speaker 4: The way that you are like flying around like you're
Speaker 4: for d Rex, that's what we call it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Like, the water effects were great. It was
Speaker 3: really scary. It was very immersive. They had loads of
Speaker 3: good sense that they were pumping in. But when I
Speaker 3: first saw that, I was like, Okay, I do think
Speaker 3: they said why this was the one that the kid
Speaker 3: that I went to see it with, Isaiah, was really
Speaker 3: struggling with for some reason. When she was eating the
Speaker 3: licorice red licorice laces, which me and Isaiah are both
Speaker 3: found them, they were pumping in like a beef jerky smell.
Speaker 3: I guess because they didn't have like a red licorice smell.
Speaker 3: It was with.
Speaker 4: Very immersive. Yeah. Yeah, I live in South LA, so
Speaker 4: you never know, but they were.
Speaker 3: I came out of it and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I think people are really gonna love this because it's
Speaker 3: really stripped back and it feels like much more just
Speaker 3: like to the point Jurassic World kind of this is
Speaker 3: what we want. It's very it's more kin to the
Speaker 3: original trilogy. But I will say I was watching Jurassic World,
Speaker 3: the first movie recently as well as it was free
Speaker 3: on chuby, and I was actually kind of surprised by
Speaker 3: how well some of this stuff really did land, even like,
Speaker 3: you know, the movie was not beloved by critics time,
Speaker 3: but there are moments in it common like you say,
Speaker 3: where you do get this kind of epic scope and
Speaker 3: scale and scariness, like the idea that the indominous Rex
Speaker 3: can be invisible because it was camouflages, in the fact
Speaker 3: that at the end you have that great scene where
Speaker 3: everybody's kind of running through the park because the terodactyls
Speaker 3: tried to pick them up. You know. So I was
Speaker 3: I think it's I was surprised by how bad the
Speaker 3: critic reviews were for this. It was around a fifty
Speaker 3: percent I thought that was really unfair because I thought
Speaker 3: this was quite a solid, kind of fun two our
Speaker 3: adventure movie. But then I was also surprised by how
Speaker 3: when I compared it to Jurassic World, it didn't immediately
Speaker 3: feel like just one hundred percent of better movie. It
Speaker 3: was just two very different takes the world of Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: On Gareth, I will say that I'm not a particularly
Speaker 1: a fan of Gareth. He did get fired off of Rogue,
Speaker 1: on which did open the door for the Tone Zone
Speaker 1: to take a and give us and or or whatever.
Speaker 1: He delivered a director's cut that Disney didn't like, and
Speaker 1: that opened the door the door for and we love
Speaker 1: the Tone Zone. That's it. I think that Gareth is
Speaker 1: incredible at big stuff. We kind of tease that. I agree, Godzilla,
Speaker 1: King Kong and this. He is great at scale, at
Speaker 1: action sequences that take scale into account, that make that
Speaker 1: deliver a sense of awe and excitement and suspense because
Speaker 1: something huge is like coming out of the water or
Speaker 1: coming through the woods, and I think he's just I
Speaker 1: think he's good at that. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: his major major pluses for him.
Speaker 4: I definitely think that.
Speaker 3: The stuff that he learned from doing that twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: Godzilla movie, which visually is really really cool and did
Speaker 3: establish this kind of chunky, big boy American Godzilla that
Speaker 3: we have now is definitely on show here, like the
Speaker 3: size of the dinosaurs, that moment, like you said, with
Speaker 3: the d Rex eating the helicopter, and then you know,
Speaker 3: the moment where we get to see the big.
Speaker 4: Titanosauruses for the first time.
Speaker 3: Also the fun of having the kind of wrapped terodactyl
Speaker 3: crossover dinosaurs, though I will say quite ugly all the
Speaker 3: mutant dinosaurs in this now this does lead to sorry
Speaker 3: to judge those dinosaurs by their physicality, but I don't
Speaker 3: know them personally.
Speaker 4: But this leads to something me and Aaron were really
Speaker 4: interested in, which was.
Speaker 3: A discourse a discourse in our discord, which was a
Speaker 3: really cool comment and take that I like that, I
Speaker 3: am going to tell you by anamalas she they which
Speaker 3: is something that they really liked about the movie was
Speaker 3: they essentially used the mutant dinosaurs as the villains and
Speaker 3: the non mutants as that's just nature folks, Like the
Speaker 3: t Rex is scary, but we also see it like napping,
Speaker 3: kind of like a cat and you know that you
Speaker 3: are in its space. And then the quetzacotalus it's just
Speaker 3: looking after its eggs, right, And the titanosauruses have that
Speaker 3: kind of we are in love and that was actually
Speaker 3: originally meant to be a mating moment too, but they
Speaker 3: didn't commit. But the mutants don't get that edit. They're
Speaker 3: not trying to make us love the d Rex or
Speaker 3: the weird raptor bird things. And I feel like if
Speaker 3: you're going to introduce something like that that takes away
Speaker 3: from the natural beauty of the dinosaurs in JP one,
Speaker 3: then they have to be the villains. The movie retains
Speaker 3: that the natural dinosaurs in gen made are just out
Speaker 3: here living their life. And sure you have the argument
Speaker 3: that they're not, you know, real dinosaurs, but that kind
Speaker 3: of dichotomy keeps the nostalgia golden.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good read.
Speaker 3: I like the idea that the mutant kind of two
Speaker 3: dangerous dinosaurs, those become more of your kind of scary
Speaker 3: monstrosity tease, and then you know, you get the more
Speaker 3: classical t Rex, though here the t Rex is not
Speaker 3: the hero, which is also the first movie where we've
Speaker 3: kind of dealt with that, because usually the t rex
Speaker 3: is brought in as that last minute kind of hero.
Speaker 4: How do you guys think about that type.
Speaker 2: I have two responses.
Speaker 5: One, I do think the mosasaurus and the spinosaurus were
Speaker 5: kind of dicks, and I think that they were kind
Speaker 5: of out there hunting.
Speaker 4: I love dinosaur They're so scary and that's terrifying.
Speaker 5: My second take is I actually have a theory that
Speaker 5: the muted raptor, the raptor Yannidon hybrid was not a
Speaker 5: I think that was originally going to be raptors.
Speaker 2: I think in that.
Speaker 5: They have a raptor and right now they have the
Speaker 5: mutated dinosaur come down and get it. I think that
Speaker 5: was going to be a catch of cool Atlas just
Speaker 5: getting the raptor. But I did a little looking into
Speaker 5: this because that could have been raptors. And if you
Speaker 5: go on the Mattel website, there is no toy for
Speaker 5: the mutated raptor creature.
Speaker 2: Okay, there are multiple things for raptors.
Speaker 5: There are all the other dinosaurs, there are other dinosaurs
Speaker 5: that didn't even show up in the final cut of
Speaker 5: the movie, but there's no toy for the mutated one.
Speaker 5: And I kind of think that was like a last minute,
Speaker 5: we didn't commit enough to the mutation stuff we need
Speaker 5: to throw.
Speaker 4: At something else might have been too homage.
Speaker 2: Yes, because there is a lot.
Speaker 4: I was quite surprised to see.
Speaker 3: A lot of the critique was essentially like, it's just
Speaker 3: the same as the first Jurassic Park movie. Again, why
Speaker 3: are we always doing the same thing. I did not
Speaker 3: feel that was the case, but when I went to
Speaker 3: see it for a second time, I did kind of
Speaker 3: notice a lot of the beats that were very similar
Speaker 3: in the homages in I.
Speaker 4: Remember, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think it was my friend Steve, who has a
Speaker 3: podcast called Stephen Ray Morris, who has a podcast called
Speaker 3: See Jurassic Right and was also the producer of My
Speaker 3: Favorite Motor for for a long time but is now
Speaker 3: dinosaur focused.
Speaker 4: He had said it, yeah, Steven's.
Speaker 3: Great, and he'd said that it was it had reminded
Speaker 3: him on first viewing of kind of like Alien Romulus,
Speaker 3: where it felt like they were more interested in kind
Speaker 3: of like the homages and the throwbacks and the strip
Speaker 3: back nature of it.
Speaker 4: But then we went to see it.
Speaker 3: Steve came with us to see it in forty X
Speaker 3: and I think seeing it with a bunch of kids
Speaker 3: and being in that more immersive experience was way more fun.
Speaker 3: And now he's kind of turned a corner on it.
Speaker 3: But I thought that alien romulus thing was pretty smart
Speaker 3: because I do think the kind of crossover of original
Speaker 3: callbacks that could have been a big one with raptors, though,
Speaker 3: I will say this is another big question actually, and
Speaker 3: generally I've seen people respond to this, well, how do
Speaker 3: you guys feel about the fact that there clearly are
Speaker 3: not really any raptors in this movie? You get like
Speaker 3: three minutes of raptors, not Eva Jason, he said, he said,
Speaker 3: I'm over it and I need him in seven movies.
Speaker 1: How would they get here?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: I think that that it's it's a good point.
Speaker 1: Actually buy into the destruction and despoilment of previous Jurassic
Speaker 1: World islands, then I think it would make sense that
Speaker 1: they would not have reached here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also it would just be like there's a couple,
Speaker 3: but they're gonna get eaten off, They're gonna get eaten
Speaker 3: by another dinosaur, like we see.
Speaker 6: I felt like the spinosaurs kind of replaced the role
Speaker 6: of the yeah, raptors and the water, and that was
Speaker 6: a lot more scary to me.
Speaker 4: I did think the water stuff was exceptionally cool.
Speaker 3: And also I will say, in defense of the muscosaurus
Speaker 3: and spinosaurus, they are you could argue that they are
Speaker 3: also just like be doing the natural thing that they
Speaker 3: should be doing, which is like hunting people.
Speaker 6: So I have a whole body of water though to go.
Speaker 3: Exactly now, and they just got to hope that some
Speaker 3: rich parents are like, hope, I got to teach my
Speaker 3: child to sail across the ocean this summer. Also, I
Speaker 3: will say visually we've talked about how good Gareth is
Speaker 3: at big stuff.
Speaker 4: Totally agree.
Speaker 3: I do think something that this movie and that cleanness
Speaker 3: that you're talking about, Jason, is there is only one full,
Speaker 3: like practical animatronic dinosaur, and it is the Aquaops, the
Speaker 3: little Dolores that she has in her bag. So I
Speaker 3: think that's part of the reason in the other movies
Speaker 3: we were always getting at.
Speaker 4: Least some big, practical, kind of fancy animatronic.
Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing about the cleanness too, please?
Speaker 1: In forty X, the Dinosaurs gotta stink. I gotta smell
Speaker 1: the bread. It's yes, it's gotta smell.
Speaker 4: I know that you're in a museum.
Speaker 1: I gotta I know that's not what people want when
Speaker 1: they go to.
Speaker 4: The should have happened?
Speaker 1: Are we committing to this or not? When it comes
Speaker 1: up and it's screaming in your face, don't you spit?
Speaker 4: No, this is a good point because they smell something.
Speaker 4: There was a moment.
Speaker 1: Why am I smelling twills twizzle? I'm not smelling a
Speaker 1: twiddlers dinosaur?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm yeah right, it's it's it's Dan
Speaker 3: Stevenson's character from The Lasts.
Speaker 4: And Kaijo Kaiju dentist. So I will say that one
Speaker 4: of the things that was most funny.
Speaker 3: And Jason, I think you are right because when we
Speaker 3: went to see Gladiator two in forty X because it
Speaker 3: was the only way I could see it to cover
Speaker 3: it for the.
Speaker 4: Podcast, they had burning flesh smells. They had burning splash smells.
Speaker 4: I think that dinosaurs it should be like that.
Speaker 3: Let's commit to it, especially because there was a moment,
Speaker 3: and I do think it's one of the best moments
Speaker 3: in the movie.
Speaker 4: But when the French lady, I'm so sorry, I don't
Speaker 4: know your name, baby, You're in the movie for like
Speaker 4: five minutes.
Speaker 3: She's got a little kerchief on She is trying to
Speaker 3: push this bag of like supplies onto the beach, and
Speaker 3: if you catch it from the corner of your eye,
Speaker 3: you'll see a spinosaurus moving. If you don't, she then
Speaker 3: just gets grabbed from behind and there's it's hue splash.
Speaker 3: I screamed so loud the cinema fucking water went in
Speaker 3: my mouth, and I was like, I'm gonna die. So honestly,
Speaker 3: I can deal with a bad smell because I screamed
Speaker 3: and I was just like, I am gonna die of
Speaker 3: like fucking.
Speaker 4: Botulism cinema water. So let's add the funk.
Speaker 1: Guys, funk like the jungle stinks.
Speaker 4: Come on. Oh yeah, it would be so humid and sweaty. Okay, guys.
Speaker 4: So the franchise is here. It made so much money.
Speaker 4: It made like three hundred and forty eight million dollars
Speaker 4: globally on a weekend.
Speaker 3: This is gonna end up being one of the most
Speaker 3: successful movies of the year globally, no question. It's already
Speaker 3: the biggest global opening weekend of the year. Where does
Speaker 3: the franchise go from here? Because I think that is
Speaker 3: something that the movie leaves very open ended aka unanswered,
Speaker 3: So Jason, what do you think.
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about it, we teased it, so let's
Speaker 1: do it. What But I think it's time to mash
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I here's my proposal. Planet of
Speaker 1: the Apes Jurassic crossover. It's the far flung, you know,
Speaker 1: dystopian ape ruled future of Earth. They have like the
Speaker 1: Northern Pole Hemisphere regions, and then around the equator it's
Speaker 1: all the dinosaurs and it's the smart dinosaurs.
Speaker 6: And I love this.
Speaker 1: It's like coming in conflict with the with the apes,
Speaker 1: and like some you come up with some bullshit, like
Speaker 1: one of the humans involved in the story is like
Speaker 1: Alan Grant's great great great whatever grand or some bullshit
Speaker 1: like this right dinosaurs, Yeah, and you, and that's how
Speaker 1: you weave it.
Speaker 3: I also would love to see that because I like
Speaker 3: the implication that, like we could somehow end up in
Speaker 3: a situation where if Jurassic Park had.
Speaker 4: Never happened, we never would have gone that way and
Speaker 4: monkeys never would have taken over. But like that you
Speaker 4: were stupid enough.
Speaker 6: To bring dinosaurs back and make monkeys smarter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying, Okay, Common, what franchise are you crossing
Speaker 3: it over with? If you can cross over with anything.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is going to be the most on brand
Speaker 6: answer for me.
Speaker 2: Ever, can't wait?
Speaker 6: Bear with me, No, not that, bear with me. Alien
Speaker 6: versus predator. Oh, I would like to see it and
Speaker 6: the predator I made this is stream of consciousness. By
Speaker 6: the way, I do the predator lands on Earth to
Speaker 6: start hunting dinosaurs because you know, he needs a cool
Speaker 6: trophy to take back that which, by the way, we
Speaker 6: have a t rex skull weretorship. Oh my god, see
Speaker 6: I've already it's perfect comment.
Speaker 4: Keep this one in the back pocket, that that that
Speaker 4: specscript might get made.
Speaker 6: Baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then uh, let's say, uh, a xenomorph egg crash
Speaker 6: lands on some whalen you tawny ship in the same
Speaker 6: area that the predator is hunting. Now the predator is
Speaker 6: hunting dinosaurs, but he's also having to face the alien
Speaker 6: and guess what the alien face hugger does some cross
Speaker 6: breeding with a t rex or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, that we've been waiting to see it. I'm like, also,
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's make that into a comake or something.
Speaker 3: Let's make it happen.
Speaker 4: That sounds amazing, Aaron, how about you?
Speaker 5: You know I really want there to be something. I
Speaker 5: don't want to say John Wick, but I want something that.
Speaker 2: Is very okay. I would watch that one human stuck.
Speaker 5: On the island, not a group of humans want I
Speaker 5: guess I'm just describing the Adam Driver movie at this.
Speaker 4: Point, but like I want them to make that movie.
Speaker 2: But good, maybe that's it. Just Kylo Ren on Dinosaur Island.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I love this. I love this because I actually do
Speaker 3: think that yeah, two Meda, which they were leaning into here,
Speaker 3: but also as well, if you just think about it,
Speaker 3: you know, if you've read the Green Arrow comics, Oliver
Speaker 3: ends up on this island. He has to be trained
Speaker 3: all his I feel like there is this kind of
Speaker 3: storytelling trope.
Speaker 4: It's almost like Castaway but with dinosaurs. And it just
Speaker 4: so happens that it was John Wick who they threw
Speaker 4: off a bus and.
Speaker 3: He's got enough bullets to keep those dinosaurs dying. And yes, guys,
Speaker 3: of course, my dream franchise crossover for this, which I
Speaker 3: feel like they were leaning into in Fast nine. Actually
Speaker 3: with the with the opening both owned by Universal, you
Speaker 3: can make it happen, guys, Fast and Furious meets Jurassic Park.
Speaker 4: I think it's ready.
Speaker 3: We call it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's Fast eleven and I know Fast Extinction.
Speaker 2: It's the last.
Speaker 4: He is talking about.
Speaker 6: How curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Vin Diesel's already talking about how he is
Speaker 3: going to bring back.
Speaker 4: Paul Walker for the next movie. So why not? Just
Speaker 4: why not? Just nobody knows how, don't want to ask him,
Speaker 4: don't need the details. But I don't see why a
Speaker 4: dinosaur could be any other. They have gone to space.
Speaker 3: They are essentially superpowered to the point where they talk
Speaker 3: about it. I think that they are the only ones
Speaker 3: who could. They could like tire a dinosaur out, like
Speaker 3: it's being chased through the jungle.
Speaker 4: I would watch it. I think it would happen.
Speaker 3: There's definitely enough of these islands around islisauna and stuff.
Speaker 3: This is an island that was gonna be their you know,
Speaker 3: universal style kind of car show area, and they were
Speaker 3: gonna have like dinosaurs jumping.
Speaker 4: Through holes and well he could happen.
Speaker 1: Well, oil comes from fossilized dinosaurs and plants and other things.
Speaker 1: They find out the Fast crew finds out that like
Speaker 1: the dinosaur blood is gassing. Oh my god, and it's like, yes, the.
Speaker 3: Baby guys, it's all about family and dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for joining us. This was
Speaker 4: a delight.
Speaker 3: Always loved to have you guys, had any lost Jurassic
Speaker 3: World reap ber thoughts?
Speaker 4: You have to get off your chest before we leave.
Speaker 5: Congrats to Scarlet Johansson. I'm becoming the Hollywood's highest grossing
Speaker 5: lead actor.
Speaker 4: Wild she's been she's been making that money.
Speaker 1: You know she was nine billion is she?
Speaker 4: Do you think Scarjo is a billionaire personally? I don't
Speaker 4: think something.
Speaker 5: To get used to pay for Colin Jos's ferry to
Speaker 5: Staten Island, right, guys on Private Fairy.
Speaker 2: Come on, guy, that was less than a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I think her partner.
Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta say, guys, I'm feeling like maybe
Speaker 3: there's an issue with how the studios are making billions
Speaker 3: of dollars, but even someone like Scodgers, not Billy and
Speaker 3: that yet, Let's talk about that on another day. Whose labors? Guy?
Speaker 1: She's doing I hope I think she's doing well, and
Speaker 1: I hope that she is participating in the success of
Speaker 1: the immensely successful projects that she has been involved in. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Thanks a lot. Again. On the next
Speaker 1: episode of Extra Vision, We're diving into Oh It's hereos
Speaker 1: our reactions to Superman A long away.
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode.
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