WEBVTT - Jurassic World Rebirth Roundtable 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:11.360 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Jurassic World rebirth. Spoilers, spoilers, 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.720 spoil So he didn't do the theme this, it wasn't 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:34.479 John Williams, Johnny, Hello, any of his Jason concepts and 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.640 I'm rosy night and welcome back to next vision of 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:37.519 the podcast where we doe you. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.120 You could do your favorite shows, the movies. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.839 Comics of pop culture Company from my our podcast where 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.800 we're bringing you episodes every Tuesday Thursday, plus highlighting some 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.199 of biggest movies every Friday. News. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.919 In today's episode, Oh, you're gonna be happy to know 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.440 that we have brought together the. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.800 In Gen board, Common and Aaron are joining us for 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.880 roundtable discussion of Jurassic World. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.720 Wee bir are any of us as rich as in 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.480 Jen sadly not, but we are here to discuss Jurassic 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:12.880 World rebirth and it's fun, fun, fun, outrageous dinosaur adventures. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.960 Also, guys, you have heard we've had people in discord 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:16.680 asking about it. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.759 We are going to be at San Diego Comic Con, 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.120 so make sure to keep an eye on our social media. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.960 Join our discord to find out when and where you 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:24.640 can see me. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.360 Jason Joel and Ian there. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.400 Now, let's welcome in the super producer crew. First up, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.080 he has strong feelings about the score of Jurassic World Rebirth. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.320 Super Producer Aaron, Welcome to the show. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:42.000 Thank you. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.720 Jurassic Park is probably one of my top ten favorite movies. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.640 I love the original, I love dinosaurs. I've always loved dinosaurs. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.520 I was so excited to go see a new dinosaur movie. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.320 Common, how are you doing. Thank you for joining us today. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.200 I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I know, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.360 like Aaron, I am of the Jurassic Park generation and 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.120 grew up loving dinosaurs. I had many a Dino t 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.359 shirts as a kid, and this was a lot of fun. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.560 I really enjoyed this movie. I had a good time 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:14.240 seeing it. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.079 Well, let's let's get into it. First of all, should 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.560 we start with our general thoughts on Jurassic World Rebirth? 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.440 What did we think of the latest edition in the 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:29.280 Jurassic Park franchise? The ip monster marches on Carmen, Let's 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:29.799 start with you. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.280 Yeah, I was. I was telling Aaron before everybody joined 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:38.000 today that, you know, I think for me, seeing dinosaurs 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.679 on the big screen is always a fun experience. It's really, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.240 really hard to mess that up, you know. And I 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.480 think the first half of the movie for me was 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.480 definitely the most engaging, the most exciting, because it had 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.520 the most I think tension, because let's be real, the 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.560 first half of the movie takes place mostly in the water, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.480 and I probably have what is it? The last of 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.760 what is it? The lastophobia of Giant? 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.120 I got it. I'm scared. 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:06.399 I was terrified. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.720 I am I'm also scared, but love awarded the dinosaur 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.320 type situation, so I relate. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.960 Yes, I think the second half of the movie was 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.120 a little like once they arrived on the island, a 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.960 little less engaging, and we'll talk about it more, but 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.400 I think the I feel like the distortis Rex. The 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.359 d Rex was underused and. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:40.160 Like a frozen turkey fresh out of the energy. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.200 Aaron, how about you? What was your feeling? 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.160 There were a handful of moments that I loved. I 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.640 was on the edge of my seat with you know, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.800 the spinosauruses and then then like the boat chase, that 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:56.160 entire thing. Love the t rex raft scene, like I love, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.600 It's so nice to see that. Yeah, and from the 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.680 book that didn't make it into the first movie to 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.120 have it here was great. I thought, overall, this was 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.960 like a bad movie that had some great things and 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.680 it was fun to see with a bunch of popcorn. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.200 Like I went and saw the Adam Driver. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.920 Dinosaur Movie sixty I was twenty five. I was one 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.200 of the sixty five people who actually saw that, So 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.800 I'll go see whatever. I just there are a lot 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.680 of things I was like, this is, this is I'm 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.080 personally over mutated dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are scary and interesting enough, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.960 so I don't need the mutants. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.720 You you are not alone in that. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.920 We have definitely seen a kind of critical or quality 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.120 question mark over the movie, Jason, how about you? Because 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.599 me and Joel did the recap, so people have already 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.200 had my thoughts. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:50.200 Well, this is like, I mean, I agree, we can 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.200 get into plot holes, and I'm eager to get into 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.919 plot holes because I know you are like almost every 0:04:55.000 --> 0:05:00.720 Jurassic Park movie many first two. A lot of things 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:01.799 wrong with this fucking movie. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.839 That said, I thought the set. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:09.880 Pieces were fantastic. Yeah, dinosaur action wonderful. I personally like 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.680 the mutated dinosaurs. I think it was wise of them 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.520 to wait until, you know, to kind of reveal them 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.479 later in the movie. I thought that was the way 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.599 to go. I thought that once you got the first 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.000 half hours a little slow for me, but once it 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:31.400 really gets going, I'm just here for the action set pieces. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.360 Like everything else, if you scratch it a little bit, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.680 is ridiculous, Like like again, we'll table this, okay, But 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:44.800 just my headline is why why does the pharmacy ceo 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.240 go on this mission? Like there's a lot of things 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:48.039 that are ridiculous. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.599 Send the guy just as. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.480 Potential trillion dollar drug like franchise that you're gonna make 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.600 from this, and you still like eight guys. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.400 And when Jonathan Bailey is when he's like, just send 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:08.479 an army, I'm. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.479 Like, correct, that's actually the right thing to do. 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.080 Just like do that, guys. We see. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.000 But I really enjoyed it. I quite enjoyed it. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:21.279 I think it's my like third or fourth favorite Jurassic movie. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.720 To be fair, there are only seven of them, so 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.240 four is the middle. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.800 Hey, still the middle. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.200 I would also say, as well, this is an interesting 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:37.440 exercise in shrinking a world very quickly, because the Jurassic 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:42.240 World movies were every dinosaur is out, Dinosaurs are just living, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.480 Dinosaurs are at the drive in, dinosaurs are everywhere. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:46.799 This is very much. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.440 About like, how do you make an intimate, small scale, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.360 kind of back to basics Jurassic movie. But then you know, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.000 you hire Gareth Edwards, who's actually really greatest those big 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.680 stuff good. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:01.880 You're being Rosie. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.599 That's exactly I think what I was responding to you, like, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.039 I like Jurassic Park three. I think a lot more 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.960 than many people because I like. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.400 It very fun. I also like it. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.560 I liked it it's not trying to add a ton 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.840 of stuff to the lore. It's just this kind of 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.720 like self contained, almost like bottle Jurassic Park movie. And 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.520 that's kind of what this movie is. It's kind of 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.280 like a bottle movie for Jurassic Park. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.240 Yeah. I think that's a good point, and I do 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.440 think that that was what David Kep was going for original. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.400 Jurassic Park right. Also, I would say of. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.000 The screenplay, obviously based on the Michael Crichton, but I 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.120 would also say this is very different for a Jurassic 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.520 World movie, because the last three Jurassic World movies are 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.400 all about like the amount of people at the park 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.080 or the way that the dinosaurs are interacting with other people. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.160 But here it really is that eight you know, eight 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.400 to twelve people. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.080 Cost once you get the family in and once a 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.640 few people end up getting eaten, and by the end 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.880 you have this really kind of tiny cast. How did 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.560 that work for the steaks? For you, guys, Aaron, you 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.960 didn't enjoy it as much. Do you feel like not 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.760 having them kind of running around the park or having 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.680 other people at the park lowered the escapes stakes for you? 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.120 Actually likes the tiny cast, and I think the cast 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:21.920 could have been smaller. Recipes to ed screen Who is 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.320 there for six lines? 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:24.160 Yeah? 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.920 I know. I was so excited to see it, and 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.880 then I was like, I was like, who from LA. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.920 Wrote that name? Because I know that's an Atwater village name. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.840 I saw him and I was like, oh, I didn't know. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.960 I didn't realize he was in this, and then he was. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.760 I was like, yeah, but okay. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.800 Speaking of which, though, let's talk about how the movie 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.840 establishes this kind of new world of dinosaurs. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.360 This is one of the things that I. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.520 Think is an instant issue in the Jurassic World movies, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.000 and I saw somebody write about this way more eloquently. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:05.000 But the idea that people are bored of dinosaurs, it's like, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.160 I get it in the first Drassic World movie. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:07.920 It's kind of funny. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.160 You've had the park for twenty years, but if your 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.160 movie starts with the idea of people are bored of dinosaurs, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.600 are you inherently like making the audience less interested? 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.760 Yeah, in those dinosaurs. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.959 I joked with Carmen before this. That's why no one 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.600 goes to see tigers and lyons at zoos. That's why 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.440 no one goes to see Hamilton on Broadway anymore, because 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.880 everyone is bored. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.280 Of those things. No, no one would get bored of dinosaurs. Like, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.160 let's let's stop with that that fib. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:38.440 I found that interesting only in that I now want 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:44.000 to know more about this chaotic shit world that must exist. Yeah, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.480 but order for people to just be like, hey, there's 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:55.480 dinosaurs running around the equator free and don't worry about it. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.520 It's just the theeosaurus in New York. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:04.680 I did for me. It was more. I felt like 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.040 a better way to go is, hey, every time we 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:14.679 try a theme park, like a thousand people get killed. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:20.280 So yes, we just can't do it any respect to 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.800 go legitimate. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.640 I also like I would what I would have loved 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:25.120 to see. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.280 I would love to see, like if we're doing little 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.280 kind of like pushed through. This was a push through 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.960 movie really really quick, end up taking a random release date. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.640 That's why it doesn't have a three D release. That's 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.640 why it doesn't have an IMAX release. I would love 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.800 to see, like, who is getting sued over the fact 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.000 that dinosaurs were just released into the world at the 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.240 end of Fallen Kingdom, Like, I feel like there is 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.120 some legal issues about the world that I do want 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.360 to know, but this movie is not interested in them. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.720 This is a meet the Gang, get the gang to 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.280 the island, and start killing people. Because this is also 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:06.400 very interestingly one of the first movies since well the 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.880 first Jurassic Park movie where they have leaned into the 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.439 idea of like enjoying seeing dinosaurs kill people with our 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:15.960 evil CEO character. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.040 Yeah, so it's. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.760 Definitely a bit more violent, it's a bit more horror. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.559 How did that. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.440 Sit with you, guys? Did you feel like that work? 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.079 Calm and I know your horror babe, one of our 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.800 scream queens, How did that aspect to work for you? 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.559 I felt like it didn't lean into the horror enough 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:38.160 quite honestly, because I felt like the distortus Rex could 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.600 have been really, really terrifying if they had a used 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.079 it a little bit more. I know, that's such a 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.920 funny name, and. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:50.439 Dude, it was I was at the Universe. I'm also 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.800 like they didn't finish Like they finished it. They gave 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.480 it a name, but like it was just left there. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.560 I don't know. I feel like, would they really have 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:57.320 given it a name? 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.559 But Yeah, I was saying with my friend after we'd 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.960 been at Universal all day and we went to watch 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.600 it, it was like eleven pm at night, and they would just. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.120 Like, why does he have such a big head? Like 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:09.800 every time he came on, they were just like his 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.559 five head, Like, I just why does he look so dorfy? 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:13.600 He's got it? 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.600 Yeah, And I think that ties back to a bigger 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.720 conversation we've been having at the screen queens in our 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.120 own little group chat just about how monster design in 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.840 the in the in general is kind of on a 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.960 downward slope thests. You know, monster design is not really. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.880 Post No Speratu. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:38.079 Yes we have the No Sparatu monster slump. Yes, I 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.959 would agree, And so for me, I felt like, if 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.720 you have this big, giant, scary monster, I want I 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.560 wanted to I want to see it a little bit more, 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.760 but I also want to, like, I want the elements 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.360 of the movie to be a little more horr and 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.040 a little less action. You know. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.200 Yeah, how did that work for you? Jason? 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.080 Well, I agree with Carmen, I think in terms of 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:06.080 just to add to what Carmen said about creature design, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:12.720 I feel like the creatures are too in this movie generally, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:19.559 and generally in movies nowadays, are too clean. Like it's 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.520 they look and they look really cool and they look real, 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:29.640 but you know, like a real animal has like snot 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.960 and weird stuff coming off of it and things, and 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:40.160 that was very muche grossness, and you don't feel the 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:45.280 grossness of these creatures like at all, hardly at all, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:51.600 And to me, that's that takes away from the impact 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.760 of it. I will say that I wanted more horror. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.200 It's always made sense to me to make this, you know, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.679 like the the most effective set pieces the first two 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.479 Jurassics were to me like horror set pieces. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.440 Essentially, the car, the kitchen, Yeah. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.440 And so like that to me has always been the 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.000 heartbeat of this film, is like the dinosaurs are loose, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.880 they're really scary and they're killing people. And I did 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.040 like listen, I did like that this movie is really 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:25.280 leaning into even with the family is like, you want 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.160 to see it. You want to see him get fucking eaten, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:27.520 don't you. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.440 Yeah, they're like this disrespectful young guys. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.240 Get eaten? Does he not? 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.920 Well, it has they have had issues and obviously the 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.000 first Drassic Park we get to see the lawyer eating 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:46.119 on the toilet legendary, but since then they have struggled 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.160 at times, like in Jurassic World, very famously, the let's 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.280 put it in the Commas kind of annoying, nagging assistant 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.680 character just randomly gets like the most horrifics very legendarily. Yes, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.000 and so this at least gives us like an evil, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.600 big farmer guy to root for, Like by the time 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.880 he's getting killed, you're happy with what's gonna happen to him? 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.320 Aaron, how did you feel about that? Because we do 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.480 get quite a lot of dino deaths in this movie. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.400 You mean death to dino's or deaths of Dinah, death 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:20.320 of dinos. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.680 Deaths at the mouths of dinosaurs. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:23.640 Yeah, and that. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.160 I'm not a horror person. I think that the first 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.800 Drastic Park has so much good horror in it. For me, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.280 someone who doesn't want to see a horror movie. There 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.400 are so many scary things in that first one, and 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.240 the second one even has some really good horror elements. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.240 I think this one I my favorite parts. I think 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.800 were more of the action scenes with a lot of 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.240 thrill and suspense to them, rather than the d Rex 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.400 and like it. It was an incredible shot when it 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.560 emerges from the smoke and the fog and it has 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.920 just bitten the helicopter like that was I wanted more 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:04.480 that from him him being the d Rex. I I 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:09.960 actually don't know it's gender, where its distortus lies within 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.600 the spectrum, but I I thought that the horror and 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.040 the scary elements worked really well, so as someone who 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.520 doesn't like scary movies, this was sufficiently scary. Could have 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.240 been maybe even a little scarier, but that's not essential 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.440 to a good dinosaur. Sorry, it's not essential that it 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.240 has these mutants I think to be scary, because I 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.760 still think the t Rex raft scene in the middle 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.680 of the day had my heart going so hot. I 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.200 mean that was seeing it swim and then come up 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.920 onto on them, like, oh, I love that. I loved 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.760 it so much. So yeah, I wanted I could have 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.040 used more stuff like that. And the scene we haven't 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.160 even talked about that that was that was scary too, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.640 and just watching it like climb, which like as I'm 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.040 climbing out of the cave and it's like going up 0:16:58.160 --> 0:16:58.840 the wall. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:16:59.720 Oh, it was. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.280 Really Oh my, poor guy, I was really reading Kim. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.400 Okay, let's take a quick break and when we were back, 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.640 we will get Aaron's thoughts as our most. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:34.960 Prolific musician on the scores of Joss. And we're back, Aaron, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:35.879 let's do it. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.200 Let's talk about the score. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.800 Before I saw the movie, you and Joel had already 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.360 seen it, and you Joel just mentioned. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.560 That Joel was not a fan of the director. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.680 And Joe well was interested in what I was going 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.480 to say about the score. And it's very common now 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.320 that when I see a movie, it's great having all 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.000 of you. I will immediately text one of you a 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.680 lot of times when I leave a movie if you've 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.800 already seen it. And I just texted Joelle as I 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.000 walked out, and I was like, you were not kidding 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.920 about the score. So here's I've prepared a little statement. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.960 If this gets too long, we can cut things but 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.760 I'm just gonna go for this all right. As we know, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.960 this movie does a lot to reference and mirror the 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.880 first film in the franchise, so it would be only 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.440 natural that the score would have nods to Jonathan will 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:24.280 John Williams's masterpiece that accompanied that first roun Mister Jonathan Williams. However, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.720 the score here calls back to Williams's original work, with 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.639 lait motifs and spots that are random at best and 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.560 just flat out misunderstood at worst. In the original, the 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.200 most memorable pieces bring out a childlike sense of awe 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.960 and wonder We're seeing a freaking dinosaur for the first time. Here, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.080 they're used in spots that offer no awe and no 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.960 wonder whatsoever. First up, the first time we get John 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.879 Williams's piece, we have Scarlett and Jonathan Bailey sitting on 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.480 the edge of the boat while hunting the Mosesaurus. The 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.119 scene is set to the piece Zora and Loomis Chat. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.120 Now top in my head. That is the actual name 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.000 of the piece, Zora and Loomis Chat. It's remaking elements 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.160 of the iconic Welcome to Jurassic Park from the original. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.600 In the original, Alan Grant has that iconic rise up 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.480 from the jeep, grab Ellie's head and turn it because 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.720 she's not looking at the dinosaur, and then they both 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.360 run around like they're a dog who's never been outside. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.359 For the very first time. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.919 In Rebirth, the characters are talking about they're developing this 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.159 tension of do we give the blood samples to the 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.960 corporation or not? Do we open source it, which, as 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.600 far as I can tell, a textbook example of childhood 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.720 awe and wonder do we open source this blood DNA 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.960 for pharmaceuticals? This this to me, was like if you 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.680 had the god a new Godzilla movie and you play 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.400 the Godzilla theme when a military general enters the cafeteria 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:45.120 for the first time. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.640 Oh wow, this is incredible, next. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:48.119 To us perfect. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.840 The second time we get John Williams music heavily featured 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.520 is in Dino Spectacle. That's the name of the piece 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.159 which plays during the Titanosaur scene, so clearly echoing the 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.520 Brachiosaurus reveal in the very first one where I talked 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:07.399 about with Alan Grant Settler. Uh, Ellie and uh again, 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.040 this is our first time seeing these majestic sora pods 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.840 up close. Except in the first film, it's our first 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.800 time seeing a dinosaur. We briefly saw the raptor obscured 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.080 by shadows in the cage, but in Rebirth, our characters 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.000 have already encountered two separate species of dinosaurs. They've attacked 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.800 and decimated their boat, and they've killed multiple crew members. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.359 We open the movie with a dying Sora pod in 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.840 New York that everyone just treats like someone handing out 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.479 tickets to a free comedy show. Here we get this moment, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.359 and instead of something beautiful, it's Scarlett Johanson loading the 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.000 gun and getting ready to shoot the dinosaur in the act. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:42.720 Okay, I. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.960 Do not disagree with you, and I am gonna tap 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.680 in Jason as another musician face thoughts, but I will 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.760 just say Jonathan Bailey is acting his fucking ass off 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.119 in that moment though because I was tearing up, the 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.640 guy next to me was tearing up. 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:58.880 He sells it. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.480 Even if the music doesn't like his acting, you believe 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:04.640 that he has seen the dinosaur. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:05.120 Jason. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.560 I'm not going to sit here and say that Displatt 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.240 is on the level of John Williams, but I think 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.040 we're misunderstanding how movie making works. It's a lot, Like 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.960 how when I was doing a lot of journalism, someone 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.800 would complain this headline is inaccurate to me, and I'm like, bitch, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.480 I don't write the headline. See editor, Gareth Edwards decides 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.640 where the music goes, and Displatt is making the stuff 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.760 that Gareth Edwards is responding to, and so I don't 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.320 discount that. Like I don't know if the if the 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.880 introductions and the motifs would I would generally put them 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.280