1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: about secret stashes. We all like to snack, and none 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: of us like others stealing our snacks. So what do 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: you do your hoard? But animals don't have that secret 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: cabinet fold cookies. They hide behind their podcasting desk. So 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: how do they do it? From massive dragon hoards of 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: nuts to the treasure of tiny kickboxers we're looking at cash. 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Is that these animals only hope to clear by eating them? 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Discover this and more as we answer the angel question 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: can a giant weasel see into the future? Joining me 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: today is friend of the show Garfield, Expert, award winning 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Indie filmmaker and writer for the show Spirit Rangers, Joey Cleft. Welcome, Katy, 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. Very excited to be back. 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Quick question, Uh, you said you're the host of Many Parasites. 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: Is there like a favorite parasite that you're infested with? 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Probably demodex? Uh. They live in my eyelashes and they 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: eat my dead skin, and they look like tiny microscopic aliens. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: Um that that does sound like a really useful parasite, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: and like, I mean, I feel like all parasites look 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: like aliens in some level. Right, Well, good news you 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: have them too. Technically, there's no useful parasite. Uh, there's 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: I guess there's some Basically with the demodex, there's some 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: nuance to whether they're actually parasites or if they're in 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: a commensal relationship, meaning that they benefit from us and 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: they don't actually do much for us, because like, while 28 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: it seems like they might help out by eating the 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: dead skin, they can cause problems and irritation if they're 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: too any of them, and there's not really that much 31 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: evidence that they do us much good. So they I 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: think that depending on whether they actually cause any irritation, 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: they're either just sort of in a symbiotic relationship with 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: us where it's a commensal relationship where they don't really 35 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: hurt us or their parasites when they kind of cause 36 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: irritation and cause problems. Wow, the sounds like freeloaders to me. 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: Start charging them rents. Yeah, well, just so many tiny 38 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: little tenants, which makes us all landlords. When you think 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: about it. Yuck. Yeah. Yeah. Now let's talk about the 40 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: biggest parasite of all landload. Well, today we are talking 41 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: about hoarding, uh cashing food. So it's something that animals 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: do to keep a secret stash of food, especially in 43 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: areas where there are sea and all shifts in food 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: availability or if they really need to have a stable 45 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: supply of food. So there are two main different types 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: of hoarding methods. There is the larger method where an 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: animal has a single or maybe a couple specific storage 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: area that it stores food in and guards just kind 49 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: of like a dragon, you know, it's got it's cave 50 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: and it's got a bunch of coins and various damsels 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: all in there. Yeah, I gotta say it. Really my 52 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: favorite are the animals that hoard all their stuff in 53 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: this specific space. And whenever there are news stories that 54 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: come out about like I feel like there's a new 55 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: story that m floats around every once in a while, 56 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: Like there was a bird or a squirrel that stored 57 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of nuts in like a satellite dish or 58 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: something like that, and um, the satellite dish was seeing 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: interference and they were trying to figure out, like you 60 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: know why isn't it running out of capacity? So they 61 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: open it up and just like thousands and thousands of 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: nuts poured out, and I was just like, no, that 63 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: world stash, it's so hard for it. Better put that back. 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 1: We're actually going to talk about something exactly like that 65 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: in just a minute. But yeah, it is. It is 66 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: sad when like you see these news stories, it's like 67 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: they work so hard on that stash. Yeah, and these 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: are little animals. It's like that's like that's like a 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: lifetime worth of just like hoarded wealth that all of 70 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: a sudden we're just taking from them. It was their 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: nest egg, except instead of egg, it's a lot of nuts. Yeah. There, 72 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: that was their retirement plan. So another technique is scatter hoarding. 73 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: So instead of a larder, with scatter hoarding, they will 74 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: hide their food in many different locations. So this is 75 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: something that the eastern gray squirrel does. So they take 76 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: a nut, they go they bury it somewhere and then 77 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: go bury something else somewhere else. And so both of 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: these methods can be quite advantageous. The first can be 79 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: a tage just because you only have to defend and 80 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: memorize like one or two larder's where you keep things in. 81 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: But it is a problem because it is more prone 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: to theft if a competitor finds your cash and you 83 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: have put all your nuts in one hole, so to speak. 84 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: Whereas with scatter hoarding, it can be advantageous because you 85 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: have diversified your nut investment. But the disadvantage is that 86 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: you have to memorize all these locations. You have to 87 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: travel to all these places, and sometimes you forget and 88 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: then we get like if you bury a nut in 89 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: your squirrel and then you forget where it is that 90 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: grows into a tree. So which is a squirrel's worst enemy? 91 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you can describe 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: a tree as a squirrel's worst enemy. I mean, I 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: guess that they like they bite trees, so it's like 94 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: they feel like I feel like they dig and burrowing trees. 95 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: That's them. That's combat for trees for them, right, I guess. 96 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: But I mean maybe it's like it's an adversary or relationship. 97 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think so. I mean, like I don't like, 98 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: I bite a sandwich, but it's not my enemy. Uh, 99 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: the sandwich is Miami. Everything that I eat I am 100 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: in a combat relationship with so question about Okay, so, like, 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: which type of hoarder are you? I feel like I'm 102 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: a scatter hoarder because i have a protein bars hidden 103 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: all around Los Angeles and various locations, and I've got 104 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: a tiny app that I used to track them, and 105 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: so far nobody's found them yet. Well, when I was younger, 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: I was a larger hoarder. I had like a closet 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: my first time living on my own, I had a 108 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: closet where I just put everything in. It was like 109 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: in the cartoons where you opened the closet and everything 110 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: falls out. And I decided enough with that. So then 111 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I became a scatter hoarder. So now I leave things 112 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: and all sorts of crannies and and like I'll reach 113 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: into desk drawers and there's some candy there, and then 114 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: it's like where did I put my keys? Uh? You know, 115 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: in a little I drilled a hole in the wall 116 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: and I stuck them in there for safekeeping. So yes, 117 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I think currently I am a scatter hoarder. I mean 118 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: it makes sense because like I feel like, you know, 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: as adults were constantly on the move where I mean 120 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: as a kid, Uh, like larger hoardering makes a ton 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: of sense because you know you're primarily in one location. 122 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: You're probably hanging around your house a bunch. But as adults, 123 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: it's like we've got offices we're going to, We've got 124 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: like different we've got our own homes with different sections 125 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: of the house, we've got cars. It's like, I totally, 126 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: I totally understand. You know your hoarding methods are going 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: to increase and change as you age, Right, Yeah, you're 128 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: also like increasingly paranoid that you're gonna need just like 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: a quick bite to keep you from, uh taking another nap. 130 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: So if you hide cheerios around the house, just in 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: little crannies, it's like, oh, a cheerio, then I guess 132 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: I won't need to rest my ancient thirty year old 133 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: bones and take a nap. I mean, that's I feel 134 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: like that's a real that's like a real thing. Where Um, 135 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I would survive and entirely 136 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: just on sustaining myself on just like drinking a two 137 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: liter of orange soda day and I would feel fine. 138 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Whereas is an adult, it's like if I go more 139 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: than like four or five hours without having a snack, 140 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: I get like a headache, and it's just like getting 141 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: old sucks. I know, you feel your body sort of 142 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: like crying out when you aren't eating. It's like like 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: when you're a kid. It's like, oh, I forgot to eat, 144 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: no worries, I'll just eat this entire sleeve of oreos 145 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: and be fine. Now it's like, oh, I forgot to 146 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: have lunch on time. Okay, I'll eat now because my 147 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: head hurts. Oh now that I'm eating, I also feel bad. 148 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: What is going on? Yeah, it's like eight too much. 149 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Now I have to take a nap. And then like 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I like I drink such a little 151 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: amount of caffeine that if I have just like a 152 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: sip of caffeine, I'm just like no, I'm just like 153 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: out of it. Like I'll crash for like two days. 154 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things where it's like 155 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: I used to like live off of soda, like I 156 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: used to live off of serge. You know. Yeah, I 157 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: can't like eating too much sugar now in my mouth 158 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: actually burns from the sugar. It's your mouths right, No, 159 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: it hurts the roof of my mouth. So it's great, um, 160 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: but yes, So those are those the main two types 161 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: larger larger cashing and scatter cashing. There's a third type 162 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: of less common hoarding UM where the animal will actually 163 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: take an inedible food and we'll store it somewhere and 164 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: let it ripen, which is really fascinating. So we're actually 165 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about all three types of cashing, all 166 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: three types of hoarding with three different animals. UM. So 167 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about a recent story of 168 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of acorns hidden in the walls of a house. 169 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm so I'm so mad at this that 170 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: the cash was found. It was this was this your cash? 171 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: This might have been my cash, my nuts. Well, apparently 172 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa, California, someone was going about their business 173 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: in their home and they noticed meal worms coming out 174 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: of the walls, and so they called the next terminator 175 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: because when you got worms in your walls, it might 176 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: be time to do something. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, 177 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: I look, it could be a bad sign if you're 178 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: a family of if you're a family of birds, worms 179 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: coming out of your walls might be a good sign. 180 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, you know, like perspective, that's like 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: if chocolate starts leaking from your ceiling. I guess if 182 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: you're a bird, worms, worms is chocolate to birds. Yeah, 183 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: and I feel like on some level of chocolate started 184 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: leaking from your ceiling, part of you would be like, oh, 185 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: this feels like a problem. They needs to be solved. 186 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: But another part of you would be like, oh, wow, 187 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: melted chocolate. Don't mind if I do. It's a problem 188 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: that can be solved with this boon in my opinion, 189 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: So in this house, they called the exterminator. So the 190 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: exterminator started like cut a hole in the wall and 191 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: a bunch of acorns started to fall out, And so 192 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: he started to pull out the acorns and more and 193 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: more and more acorns came out of the hole in 194 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: the wall and they just kept coming. Yeah. Looking at 195 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: the article, uh if it sounds like there are seven 196 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: pounds of acorns in total they poured out of this wall. 197 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Which it's it's such an impressive amount. I think it 198 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: was made by um. I believe two small woodpeckers over 199 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: the span of like maybe two or three years or 200 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: something like that, they made this huge stash of acorns. 201 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: And uh, I really hope that the woodpeckers were watching 202 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: through the window as this stash was discovered, and I 203 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: hope that in woodpecker they were screaming my stash. No, 204 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: They're like looking at the exterminator and be like, uh, 205 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: it's not mine. I'm holding it for a friend. All 206 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: those acorns, all right, I just picture they're like sitting 207 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: on the their sitting on the on the pile of 208 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: acorns in this in this old chimney, and they're just 209 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: saying like, we did it, We've prepared for winter, We're 210 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna be good for ye. And then all of a sudden, 211 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: the acorns are spilling and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, 212 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: no no. My nest for little woodpeckers. So let's talk 213 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about a corn woodpeckers and why they 214 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: would do such a thing. So a corn and woodpeckers 215 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: are medium sized birds. Obviously they are a type of woodpecker. 216 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: They've got a bright red spot on their head. They're 217 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: quite pretty. They will drill holes in trees and store 218 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: acorns in them. Basically they turn trees into Swiss cheese. 219 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: H They fill the tree with a bunch of little 220 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: holes and basically stuff like one acorn per hole. And 221 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: so this is called a granary. It's typically in trees, 222 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: although some times they will use man made wood structures 223 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: when it's convenient, like telephone poles. UM. As the acorn 224 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: sit in these holes, the acorns will actually start to 225 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: shrink as they dry out, so the woodpecker has to 226 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: fastidiously keep track of this. They will take the acorn 227 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: out and stick it into a smaller hole so it 228 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: doesn't fall out. UM. And to protect their acorns, they 229 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: will often form social groups of families, basically a bunch 230 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: of related sisters and then a bunch of related brothers. 231 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: But the brothers are not related to the sisters, and 232 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: so they can all mate together, and so they will 233 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: all protect their uh protect their acorns from potential bandits. Uh. 234 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: If the breeding collective is kind of disrupted um, other 235 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: species of birds like scrub jays will come in try 236 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: to steal the nuts. Uh. Sometimes another acorn woodpecker will 237 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: come in and try to join the collective, insinuate themselves 238 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: into this breeding collective. And sometimes some acorn woodpeckers just 239 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: come by to spectate to watch the the show. Scrub 240 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: jays are always up to no good pretty much. I 241 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: gotta say a few things on that. I love that 242 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: for these woodpeckers, this tree that they're stuffing with acorns 243 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: basically becomes the family store where it's just like you 244 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: got a mind of the store boy, Like it's a 245 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: that they that they're like on watch constantly on this 246 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: tree filled with acorns. And another thing about it is, um, 247 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: do you know what trip pophobia is? Yes? I do, Uh, 248 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the fear of holes. Yeah, I gotta say, somebody that 249 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: has tripp pophobia. This photo of this tree filled with 250 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: acorns is terrifying. I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry. Yes, 251 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: it is. It is. I can see how that would 252 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: be unpleasant even for me. I do not have that phobia, 253 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: but I feel a little bit of discomfort look at it. Yeah, 254 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: because it basically it basically looks like somebody just machine 255 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: gun to this tree full of acorns. It's just covered 256 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: in holes, and it's like, oh, it's probably not great 257 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: for the tree. You just see Nick Offerman running by 258 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: you and saying like, squirrels got guns now? It's like, 259 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: what squirrels got guns? Now? It is also like really 260 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: twisted that these woodpeckers take these acorns and then essentially 261 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: drill them into the tree. That the acorn came from. 262 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: It is a little bit evil dead, isn't it. Yeah, 263 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: it's like, what's your problem? These birds are? These birds 264 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: are left off. They're twisted and sick. The news story 265 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: about this woodpecker is unusual because acorn woodpeckers typically stick 266 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: the acorns in these individual holes that are horrifying to 267 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: joey Um, not inside large hollow areas. But according to 268 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: the exterminator who investigated the home um, he saw the 269 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: birds dropping acorns into a hole in the chimney, and 270 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: then they birds would come in a separate hole in 271 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the attic to feed on the acorns. So they will 272 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: actually take advantage of uh naturally forming hollows and trees 273 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: on occasion. Generally they do stick to this like acorn 274 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: in whole structure because if the acorn stashed this pile 275 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: get some wrought on it, it can sacrifice the whole thing. 276 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: As what happened to these birds. It's humans came in 277 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: and messed up the entire horde. So um. But they 278 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: will sometimes try to use these naturally occurring basically cabinets 279 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: uh and you mentioned earlier, like them using like um 280 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: satellite dishes. They will do that in also in California, 281 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: acorn woodpeckers filled a concave transmission tower with three hundred 282 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: pounds of acorns, which stopped the signal from this transmission 283 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: tower and they had to send someone up there to 284 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: remove the acorns. Um, yeah, I gotta say, Okay, so 285 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm sticking by my thought. These uh, these woodpeckers are 286 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: real sicks. But but aside from that, I gotta say 287 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that they basically with this this house 288 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: where they filled this chimney with acorns, they essentially threw 289 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: off the They threw off the chains of the patriarchy 290 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: and built their own bird feeder. Like they're like, we 291 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: don't need humans to do this, we can do it ourselves. 292 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: It's the bird singularity. They've learned to build their own 293 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: bird feeders and now they're unstoppable. Yeah, now they don't 294 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: need us. So in that case, I guess it's probably 295 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: like by by emptying there there's seven hundred pound acorn cachet, 296 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: we're just we're slowing them down. We've we bought humanity 297 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: another couple of months, another generously, another couple of months 298 00:17:54,280 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: before the up rising. Yeah, so Joey, what do you 299 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: get when you cross a kangaroo and a rap Um. 300 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say my ex wife her just kidding, I 301 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: don't have an ex wife. I just felt like that 302 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: feels like the setup of like a nineteen forties Catskills comedies. Yeah, 303 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, she's she's like a kangaroo because 304 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: she kicks me, but she's like a rat because she 305 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: loves cheese. Because she keeps biting the walls of our house. 306 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: That's why we got into force. She ate my house. 307 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: That feels like a probably women, they're always eating our house, right, fellas. Yeah, 308 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: and then one guy in the house is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 309 00:18:54,359 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: but no, the answer is kangaroo rats. Yeah right, yeah, answer, yeah, 310 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: kangaroo rats. Kangaroo rats. So, kangaroo rats are native to 311 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: western North America in hot, semi arid sort of desert regions, 312 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: such as are found in California, Arizona, and in northern Mexico. Um. 313 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: They are cute. They look like little mice that have 314 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: kangaroo legs. They have these powerful rear legs that allow 315 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: them to leap and run. They kind of hop around. Um, 316 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, they look like little tiny mouse sized kangaroos. 317 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: They're very very cute. Yeah, yeah, I gotta say that. 318 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: You have to if you, um, if you're listening to 319 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: this and you have your phone or you're on a 320 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: computer something like that, definitely google kangaroo grat It's a 321 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: very adorable little critter. Um. It's for its very cute. 322 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: It looks very pettable. UM as a big fan of 323 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: animals that are cute and cuddly. I'm gonna give this 324 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: thing five cute muzzles. I like that rating. Yeah, and 325 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: there's there's a picture of it in the footnotes. Also 326 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: in the footnotes is a picture of one of these 327 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: kangaroo rats delivering a high flying kick to the face 328 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: of a rattlesnake, because that is what they will do. 329 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: They are way Wait, do they hunt rattlesnakes. No, they 330 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: are victims of rattlesnakes. Rattlesnakes hunt them, but they are 331 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: not a passive victim. They will kick the rattlesnake in 332 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: the face to evade them. Um do they How often 333 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: do they win these fights? You know, I don't know, 334 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: like a percentage, but it's pretty effective. If they are 335 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: able to detect that the rattlesnake is there before the 336 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: rattlesnake strikes them. And they do successfully kick the rattlesnake, 337 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: they have a very good chance of running away. So 338 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: if they notice the rattlesnake in time, I'd say their 339 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: chances are pretty good because they could definitely outrun a rattlesnake. Yeah, 340 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: and if you look at this photo like it really 341 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: feels like this kangaro rat has gotta direct hit on 342 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: this rattlesnake's face, it's very funny. So another cute thing 343 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: is that because they live in hot desert climates, they 344 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: have to preserve their body moisture and regulate their temperature, 345 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: so they will stay in their burrows during the hot day. 346 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: They will plug up the holes with some dirt to 347 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: keep cool um, and while they are sleeping during the day, 348 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: they curl up into a little ball with their nose 349 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: in their belly hair, which creates a pocket of moisture 350 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: from the condensation around their nose. So very very adorable. Okay, 351 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: I I'm going to google a picture of that kangaroo 352 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: rat curled up in a ball and you're going to 353 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: be able to hear me live react to this. Okay, 354 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: let's kangaroot called new Ball, Live Live Joey a reaction. 355 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: Yes they are. They're extremely cute. So the reason I 356 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: bring up kangaroo rats is that they are scatter cashers 357 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: or scatter hoarders, and they also store things in their 358 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: cheeks in a really weird way. So they have cheek pouches, 359 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: but it's not kind of like how you would think, 360 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: like where a hamster. It's cheek pouches and they will 361 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: stuff something in their mouth and it'll make their cheeks 362 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: pooch out and it's very cute. The kangaroo rat has 363 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: external cheek pouches that are not inside their mouths, but 364 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: are like two pockets on either side of their face. 365 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: So they have these two pockets on their cheeks that 366 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: are lined with fur like internally, and it doesn't go 367 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: it's like outside of their mouth. They don't put things 368 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: into their mouth. They put them directly into these like 369 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: little pockets like you have pockets on your pants. They 370 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: just have pockets on the sides of their faces that 371 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: they can stuff seeds into. Yeah, I gotta say the 372 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: photo that you have that kangaroot cheek pockets um scrolling 373 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: past it, I was immediately horrified because I thought this 374 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: kangaroo had several mouths. Yeah, it's a little spooky. It's 375 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: also like the photo, I feel so bad for this 376 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: kangaroo rat because like this is probably it's like secret 377 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: little seed stash, Whereas this human just like shoved the 378 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: rat down and it's like pulling its cheek pocket open, 379 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: and it's like, look at this. This is probably the 380 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: most embarrassing moment of that kangaroo rats life. Where's his 381 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: constitutional rights against unfair search and seizure? Yeah, I mean 382 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: that that's that said, that kangaroo oute was probably also 383 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: trafficking kangaroo rat cocaine. Sure, why not? It's not his 384 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: is his friends? So oh yeah, right, he doesn't. I 385 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: don't know how it got there. It will deposit these 386 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: seeds from its weird little face pockets into cases that 387 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: are distributed all throughout its territory. So it will run 388 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: to a place, dig a little hole, buried seeds, run 389 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: to another place, dig a little hole, bury its seeds, 390 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: and so in this way, it is not unlike the 391 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: eastern gray squirrel. Research into the behavior of kangaroo rats 392 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: have found that they don't need landmarks to remember where 393 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: they have buried their seeds in the short term, but 394 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: after ten days they use landmarks to be able to 395 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: triangulate where they stored their seeds. So they kind of 396 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: memorized landmarks nearby where they stored things and used that 397 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: to find caches that they had buried a long time ago. 398 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: Then ten days later they're just like, wait, where was that. Yeah, 399 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: it's like yeah, just like, oh, it was by the McDonald's. Yeah, 400 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: instead of dude wears my car, Dude, where's my seeds? 401 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Where's my seeds that I stored in my mouth pouches? 402 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: That is really interesting that they that like basically they 403 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: carry seeds as it's not like a permanent storage thing. 404 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: They're not constantly carrying like a reloaded seeds for seats, 405 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: for snacks in their cheeks. It's more like that's just 406 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: how they more easily carry seeds from location location to 407 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: put them stat in these cases. Pockets. Yeah, face backpack, 408 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: that'd be fine. What a very specific mutant superpower face backpacks. 409 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I like it. I've always wanted more pockets. 410 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Maybe not on my face, maybe not on my face, 411 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: but look, these kangaroo rats make a work for them. Yeah, 412 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: So now I want to talk about my favorite type 413 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: of hoarding called ripening hoarding or ripening cachhing. This is 414 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: where an animal will do something that is in a 415 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: way very weirdly humans. So so weirdly human at doom, 416 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: scrolls on Twitter and listens to radiohead. Yes, um, it's 417 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating things stuff like in this economy, 418 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: stocks and bonds, cell phones and shoes. Yeah, all human stuff. 419 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: Uh so. The tyra is a very strange animal found 420 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: in Central and South America in subtropical forests. It's in 421 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: the Musteladae family, related to weasels and badgers, and they 422 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of look like a giant weasel. So they weigh 423 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: they're they're about the size of like a medium sized dog, 424 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: small to medium sized dog. They're like about fifteen pounds 425 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: or seven KOs. They have dark brown body, brown head, 426 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: and a lighter patch on their chest um. This throat 427 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: patch is actually unique and can be used to identify 428 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: individual tyras um, which is similar to another animal, the 429 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: giant river otter, who has a neat throat patch that 430 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: can be used by other giant river otters to recognize 431 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: their friends. For the tyra's I'm not sure if the 432 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: con specifics. That is, the members of their own species 433 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: use the throat patches to identify each other, but humans 434 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: can use them. So like, hey, that one is break 435 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: I remember his throat patch. Yeah, it's a it's a 436 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: cute accessory. I mean, I gotta feel like, I don't 437 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: know us humans, we should we should all start getting 438 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: throat patches. It's just a nice It's a nice way 439 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: to like break up the fur um. You know. I 440 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: think you could probably get designer throat patches, something from Gucci. 441 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: I think that Tyra is just you know, the picture 442 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking at is really working it. Uh, so you 443 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: go Tyra. They're very cute. They have these long fluffy 444 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: tails as well, which I think brings them from Oh 445 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: this is a sort of like newly animal that wants 446 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: to bite me too. It's cute. Yeah, it's like it 447 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: still wants to bite me, but I'm gonna try to 448 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: pet it while it does. It's gonna bite me, but 449 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: in this case, it's probably gonna be my fault because 450 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: I tried to pet it. Oh for sure. So they 451 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: are omnivores and they will hunt small mammals and reptiles, 452 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: but they will also climb trees for fruit, and in fact, 453 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: they will go to great lengths to get tasty fruit. 454 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: One resourceful trick they have is picking unripe plantains, And 455 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: an unripe plantain is not a nice thing to eat, 456 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: so the tyra hides it somewhere, lets it ripen, and 457 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: then finds and eats it later. Um. That's so interesting 458 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: and it really makes me wonder like at what point 459 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: did they evolved to learn how to do that? And 460 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard other stories of animals, um, 461 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, hiding fruit or hiding food until it ferments, 462 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: and I think that there's actually a few stories of 463 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: like um animals hiding you know, grapes or something like 464 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: that somewhere and then waiting for them to ferment, and 465 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: then them and then getting drunk off of them because 466 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: it basically it just turns into wine. Yeah. I mean, 467 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: there are there are multiple cases of animals doing this 468 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: sort of like ripening cashing behavior. Um pikas do it. Um. 469 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: They will take plants that are somewhat toxic and then 470 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: high kind of put them in their dens and then 471 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: they over time lose that toxicity. Leaf cutter ants will 472 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: take sections of leaves and then they will sort of 473 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: farm this fungus that grows on the leaves and then 474 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: eat that later. So yeah, this is a technique used 475 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: by all sorts of animals and it's really fascinating. Yeah, 476 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I want to say that I do 477 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: that when I buy bananas from the store and then 478 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: just don't eat them for a couple of weeks, and 479 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: then when I find them they're like black, and then 480 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I could probably stilete one of these 481 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: before throwing it away. That's definitely uh, me doing this 482 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: behavior and not me being lazy and careless. My trick 483 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: with bananas is I don't eat them because they are 484 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: the devil's fruit. Wait there the devil's fruit. Why are 485 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: there the devil's fruit? Because they're stinky and bad and 486 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: I hate them. Oh, anything anything I don't like personally 487 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: is immoral. So um so I guess that, like you 488 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: were saying that, when you're eating a sandwich, you're not 489 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: having combat with the sandwich, but if you're eating a banana, 490 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: you're in combat with the banana exactly exactly. Yeah, yeah, 491 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm you're not eating it for necessenance, you're eating it 492 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: to destroy it despite the banana exactly. So with these tiras, 493 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: they will hide their bananas in these very creative spots, 494 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: like sometimes in like the bowl of a bromeliad. So 495 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: a bromeliad is this plant. It's like this sort of 496 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: spiky plant that attaches itself to trees and it will 497 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: form kind of like a bowl or like a shelf 498 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: against the tree. And so these tires just like put 499 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: the banana and the bromelia to hide it like they're 500 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: hiding an Easter egg, and they'll come back a few 501 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: days later to come get it when it's nice and 502 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: ripe um. That's awesome And I'm just so crafty they are. Yeah, 503 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: And there's like some discussion about like, well, does this 504 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: mean that tiras are able to plan for the future. 505 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Can they conceive of the future because they are waiting 506 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: for bananas to ripen um And I don't know if 507 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: the fact that they ripen bananas is evidence that they 508 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: have a concept of the future, but they at least 509 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: understand that the food can't be eaten like right then, 510 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: so they have to like put it somewhere, wait a while, 511 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: and go get it, which I think is it's pretty intelligent. Yeah, 512 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: when you have to think about like going back to 513 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: the the acornwoodpecker, like presumably when they're up storing a 514 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: munch of acorns in a chimney or something like that, 515 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: there is this attitude that like there's you know, they're 516 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: saving up for winter. They're like saving up for like 517 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: more more lean times. So like I feel like in 518 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: these animals that we're talking about, there's definitely at least 519 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: some idea of planning that's going into the decisions that 520 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 1: they're making. I mean, one can look at it two ways. 521 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean it could be planning or it could just 522 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: be this instinct right like this, like with squirrels, like 523 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: this instinct like I got a nut, I gotta bury it, 524 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: and you know I would I would say that with 525 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: things like squirrels and woodpeckers. Not not to say they're 526 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: not intelligent. I'm just not sure that they. I think 527 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: a lot of it has got to be instinctive, Like 528 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: they just have this desire to get as much stuff 529 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: as they can and shove it into things. Because it's 530 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: such it's such repeated behavior. So it's so it's like 531 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: my instinct to hide chocolate at my desk got it 532 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, and I don't know why 533 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm just doing it. Yeah, I mean, like, 534 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: I think that even in humans, we still kind of 535 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: have like you may have that like feeling of security 536 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: if you accumulate a lot of food, like if if 537 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: you've stored a lot of food, like when you're packing 538 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: a backpack full of food or putting food in your pantry. 539 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: I think there is a satisfaction in that. And I 540 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: think with animals they are sort of some of these 541 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: animals there and instinctively driven to do these things. When 542 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: you're like preparing food, like you have food that you 543 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: can't eat at the moment, but you put it in 544 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: a position that you will be able to eat later. 545 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: It could be instinctively driven, it could be learned behavior. 546 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: It could like something like the tyra may not have 547 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: a concept of the future, but may just through trial 548 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: and air, know this to be a thing, or learn 549 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: it from other tiras. You know. It's so it's it's 550 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: it's unclear how much this reveals about how this animal 551 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: can sort of think about the future, but it it's 552 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: so like an example that I've read about that seems 553 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: to indicate something where like, uh, there's like a story 554 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: of captive chimpanzee like hoarding rocks, keeping rocks of very 555 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: specific shape and then using those rocks to like toss 556 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: at zookeepers or something. To me, I don't think that's 557 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: like an instinct. I think that this Uh. I think 558 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: that that chimpanzee is a jerk. It's premeditated, yeah, which 559 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: I love, love love chimpanzee crimes. Um. But yeah, I 560 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: think it's it's it's starts. It gets confusing because I 561 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: think it's like, well, what is instinct? What is just 562 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: this little squirrel going like I gotta not I want 563 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: to bury it? And what is some like at what 564 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: point do they does it become something where it's like, huh, 565 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: have this thing? This is a surprise tool for later, 566 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's hard, it's hard to know what 567 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: point at which that happens in animals. But I do 568 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: think generally, like a chimpanzee, I am much more willing 569 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: to believe I can think about the future and make 570 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: a plan, whereas like an Eastern gray squirrel, I don't 571 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: think it has a concept of the future. I think 572 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: it is more driven just by these like instinctive urges. Yeah, 573 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: I guess that that's That's something that's so interesting me 574 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: about like, um, you know, animal intelligence, and you know, 575 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm a big cat guy. I think about cats all 576 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: the time. I remember a cat that I had growing up, 577 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: like my childhood cat, um. Whenever we would give it 578 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: a bath, immediately after we gave it a bath, it 579 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: would like snug. It would like, you know, while it's 580 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: still wet, as we're dragging off with the towel, it 581 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: would like snuggle up to us and want to sit 582 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: on our laps. And at first we thought it was 583 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: cute because it was so like violently opposed to get 584 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: a path. And then it would poop on us, and 585 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: then we were like, oh, this cat, that was for 586 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: sure that cat doing that out of spike because it 587 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: did not want a bath. And then it was like, 588 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: it's like making eye contact with us while it's pooping 589 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: in our laps. Well, I do think animals can be spiteful, 590 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: especially cats, So I don't know, maybe that was out 591 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: of spite. Could be. Yeah, Well, before we go, we 592 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: have to play a little game, and that game is 593 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: called Guess Who's Squawking? The Mystery Animal Sound game Every 594 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: week I play a mystery animal sound in you the listener, 595 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: and you the gifts try to guess who squawking, and 596 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: that can be any animal in the world, not just birds, 597 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: not just bees, any animal. Last week's Mystery Animals sound 598 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: hint was this. This is one unhappy noodle. Do you 599 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: hear that? Yeah, so I'm going to guess that that 600 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: is a parakeet. Interesting gifts, Uh incorrect. However, so this 601 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: was actually a mink rescued by Ontario Wildlife Rescue. This 602 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: mink was apparently trapped in an air conditioner. Um. Yeah, no, 603 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: they got him out. The noise of him. He's not 604 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: in the air conditioner. He's like in a little transport cage. Okay, good, 605 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: I think you were like this yeah this uh, this 606 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: mink is in the process of being tortured with no. No, 607 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: he's just he's just annoyed because probably a little scared 608 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: because he's in a transport cage. But you know, they 609 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: got him and then they they they released him. Um, 610 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: but you know, so he's not These are not happy noises, 611 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: but he's all right. Um this uh, this tiger is 612 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: in the process of being no oh no. Um. So 613 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: minks like to live by the water, and they will 614 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: often fish things like fish for fish or crustaceans um, 615 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: or they will hunt for things UH pick on somebody 616 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: their own size, like rabbits UM. Unfortunately, minks are also 617 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: prized for their fur, and mink farms UH will often 618 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: like selectively breathe them for like white coats, and then 619 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 1: they will kill them and harvest them for their fur 620 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: um other than you know. Obviously, the problems with this 621 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: is that minks are not well suited to a mostly 622 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: sedentary cage lifestyle, and they will often show signs of 623 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: mental deterioration and compulsive behavior in mink farms. UH. And then, 624 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: aside from this being bad for minks very obviously, it's 625 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: bad for people to Mink farms are not great in 626 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: terms of safety when it comes to viruses because these 627 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: minks are housed closely together in these battery cages and 628 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: there's a lot of nose to nose contact and ability 629 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: for viruses to spread quickly. So we actually saw sort 630 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: of in the midst of the pandemic like um covid 631 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: spread UH in these mink farms, and more recently we've 632 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: seen H five in one the Avian influenza sort of 633 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: go through a mink farm, which it typically does not 634 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: transmit well within mammals. So the fact that it was 635 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: transmitting from mink to mink in these mink farms is 636 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: not It's not great. It's like not a good thing. 637 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: So five and there's an H five five and one. Yeah, 638 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: they keep coming out with sequels. Yeah, it's like it is. 639 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: I feel like, um, you know, especially in times of COVID, 640 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: it's like it was very big news whenever there was 641 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: a new COVID strain, and now it's like I feel 642 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: like things are covered like just slightly less, to the 643 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: point that like you don't watch the news for three 644 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: days and then you're just like there's a new virus. 645 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: I should like monkey talks, what's that? You know? Yeah, 646 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean you can drive yourself kind of nuts, like 647 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: trying and keep up with all the stralians of viruses 648 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: that come out because there's a lot. So I I 649 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 1: don't want to scare people. I still think that, like 650 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: especially with H five in one. Yeah, it's like epidemiologist, virologists, 651 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: they're concerned about it. But these kinds of scares happened 652 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: pretty frequently. It's just people aren't usually tuned into them. Um, 653 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: like we don't really they don't really make it to 654 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: the news as much, or even if they do, they're 655 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: not as big of a deal. I think everyone's really 656 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: plugged into it now because of COVID, because we've been 657 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: through a pandemic. Uh So I think it's I think 658 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: it's good, like more awareness is good to a certain extent, 659 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: but I I think that like there it can go 660 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: too far where people are just like it's scared that 661 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: every new mutation of every virus is going to be 662 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: like an apocalyptic event, which is very unlikely. But yeah, 663 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: so it's it's like, yeah, you know, this is this 664 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: is concerning. But you know, I do think that things 665 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: like mink farms are not necessary, uh at least not 666 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: necessary to have them be such sort of cruel bio hazards. 667 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: I would say, oh yeah, I mean it's one of 668 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: those things where it's like there's a there's a lot 669 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,959 Speaker 1: of reasons why mink farms are maybe not the best 670 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: thing in the world, and this is definitely one of 671 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: several reasons. Yeah. Also, like you know, just chill out. 672 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: All the minks guys. They they just want to be 673 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: They just want to scamp around, be furry little noodles 674 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: and eat fish. Yeah you look, you don't. You don't 675 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: have to wear mink coat. Just throw on a Garfield 676 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: T shirt. It's just as nice and made of cotton. 677 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, man, I I Garfield sweaters over meat 678 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: coats all the way. Honestly, to meet Garfield is much 679 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: higher fashion. Oh yeah, for sure. If I see somebody 680 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: on a runway with a mink coat, I'm just gonna 681 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: be like, what is this nineteen? Whereas if I see 682 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: somebody with a Garfield coat, I'm gonna be like, are 683 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: you my new king or queen? You know how? Like 684 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: animal rights activists like tossed red paint over like for 685 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: we should toss orange paint and be like you've been 686 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: garfed orange orange paint and then just like us, and 687 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: then somebody runs in with like some black paint. Just 688 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: paints on some black stripes really quick, two big google eyes. Yeah, 689 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: garfing in the name of animal and human welfare. I 690 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: like it, Garfield activist. I mean now the okay, so 691 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: now might I might go the other direction? The urge 692 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: to get uh a giant fur coat and to die 693 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: the fur orange with pleque tots. So it looks like 694 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: I skinned Garfield is you know, definitely I'm not going 695 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: to do it, but the urge do it's greater than zero. 696 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: I got good news for you. You can buy fake 697 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: for an orange already probably and then wear that like 698 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: a skin Garfield. You could probably even get like a 699 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: big Garfield stuffed animal and skin that one, and then 700 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: that will really sell the experience of you skinning a Garfield. Okay, yeah, 701 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 1: this sounds like this sounds like a good fashion They're 702 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: actually on Google there there's already a ton of Garfield 703 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: fur coats, good healthy fun. I like how we've we've 704 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: ended this podcast where I try very hard to spread 705 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: empathy for animals with like this is how you can 706 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: simulate skinning Garfield and wearing them, whereas I'm just like 707 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: I gotta skin me a Garfield and then who will 708 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey Mondays, I think you would hate Mondays even more 709 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: if you skinned them on a Monday. Yeah, that's my 710 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: that's my special instructions to the mink farm because like 711 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: is like, make sure that you before you die these 712 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: mink fors Garfield killers, make sure you do it on 713 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: a Monday. Wow. Yeah, Like yeah, we could be saying like, hey, 714 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: maybe cool it with the spreading viruses and being mean 715 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: to minks, or we could be like, actually, the problem 716 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: is you don't dire for orange and make it look 717 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: like Garfields. Honestly, Now I'm just going and I'm just 718 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: going down the rabbit hole, like seeing what Garfield fur 719 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: coat turns up. And there's a lot of like really 720 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,479 Speaker 1: amazing like Marina wool and faux for trimming jacket that's 721 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: like very much Garfield kilors, but not on purpose, so 722 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: it feels like it's high fashion. Well, I figured out 723 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: my new the new me before you drop a bunch 724 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: of disposable income on Garfield out or where we have 725 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: to play this week's mystery animal sound. So the hint 726 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: is it is something that no Lemur wants to hear. So, Joey, 727 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: who do you think that is? I mean that sounded terrified, 728 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: like no Lemur wants to hear this, and none of 729 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: us do either. Yeah, I also did not want to 730 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: hear that. Um, so I'm gonna say, look, as a 731 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: grand expert, I think this might be a grant. You 732 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 1: are absolutely correct, which means all the listener will hear 733 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: is a mysterious quacking noise and uh so they will 734 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: have to guess who is making that sound. But yes, congratulations, 735 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right if you think you know who is 736 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: making that sound, and you write to me at Creature 737 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: Feature Pod at email dot com. If you guess correctly, 738 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: I might read your name on the podcast. Uh well, Joey, 739 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. Where can 740 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: people find you? Um? Yeah, thanks so much for remy 741 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: it's always a blasting on Creature Future and congrats on 742 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: secretly incredibly fascinating. Yes, so you can find me on 743 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: Twitter at Joey kagemant Um as well as TikTok at 744 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: Joey Cayman, and then you can find me on Instagram 745 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: at Joey Clift with like five or six eyes. And then, um, 746 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: if you want to check out stuff I'm working on 747 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: right now. Um. I was a writer consulting producer on 748 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 1: the show Sphere Rangers, which just came out on Netflix, 749 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: super super cool kids show. I think it really dig. 750 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: And then my Comedy Central digital series Gone Native just 751 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: came out on all of Comedy Central social channels. It's 752 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of fun animated shorts about just like microaggressions 753 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: that native folks have to deal with. So check all 754 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: that stuff out and uh and follow and listen to 755 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: work Creature Feature. It's a great podcast. Thank you like 756 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: plug yourself, not me, but I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yes. 757 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: The main plug is to keep listening to this show 758 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: you're listening to. Oh gosh, thank you. I don't think 759 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever gotten reverse plugged before, but 760 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: that's appreciate that. It's very thoughtful. Well, thank you guys. 761 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: And and hey, I'm gonna plug Joey check out Joey 762 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: stuff for goodness sakes. Thank you and thank you guys 763 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: so much for listening. If you're enjoying the show and 764 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: you want to leave radio review, I deeply appreciate it. 765 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: I read all of them and I appreciate each and 766 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: every single one. And thank you to these Space Classics 767 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: for their super awesome song Exo Lumina. Creature Feature is 768 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts like 769 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: the one you just heard, visit the I Heart Radio 770 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: app Apple podcast or Hey guess what where have you 771 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,479 Speaker 1: listening to your favorite shows? I don't judge you. See 772 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: you next Wednesday.