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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 1: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 1: a sibling.

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Speaker 2: Raivalry, No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 3: Revelry. That's good.

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Speaker 1: And we're back for the second poor A Part two,

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Speaker 1: Part two of Christine Taylor Stiller. I like to call

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Speaker 1: her CTS CTS CTS. It was too good not to

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Speaker 1: make too.

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Speaker 3: This is the best I love. I've talked to her

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Speaker 3: and and let's just yeah, let's.

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Speaker 1: Carry on, carry on, carry on.

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Speaker 3: I love how open you guys were about like separating

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Speaker 3: and then coming back together, because I feel like it's

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Speaker 3: one of those things that a lot of people actually, yeah,

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Speaker 3: sometimes when they separate, their like I mean, my dream

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Speaker 3: is that we could have like a couple of years

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Speaker 3: of feel like if I had a couple of years,

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Speaker 3: I'd be good to come back to this.

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Speaker 1: It is, I mean, if it can all work out,

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Speaker 1: it's the fucking dream, right.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't always all work out right, and sometimes it

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Speaker 4: is best. And like, I found it so fascinating that

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Speaker 4: you know, and it's just that thing where it just

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Speaker 4: still still keeps getting picked up, like if it comes

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Speaker 4: up in an interview in a way where it's almost

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Speaker 4: like I think people are like, wait are they are they?

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Speaker 4: Do they break up again? Are they back together again?

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Speaker 4: Because it kind of keeps coming up, But I do

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Speaker 4: feel like it is important to talk about because it's

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Speaker 4: also like I remember we had a therapist once, say,

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Speaker 4: the institution of marriage was formed when the average lifespan

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Speaker 4: was like thirty five, like people died very young.

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Speaker 2: Never thought about blames all of my relationship issues.

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Speaker 3: Right, Kate?

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Speaker 1: Is revelatory? Is that a word?

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Speaker 4: If it is not, but.

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Speaker 2: This is called revel Yeah sibly revel we thought, right,

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Speaker 2: so like divorcing.

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Speaker 4: Were just yeah, but it's true. It's like it's really

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Speaker 4: like nobody was meant to be together, like long term

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Speaker 4: relationships like decades worth.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs.

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Speaker 4: Never it was never gonna.

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Speaker 2: Happen like a hard ten and you're out, and.

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Speaker 2: That's the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, it's so funny that we're saying this because

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Speaker 3: it's also like on top of that travel, what like

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Speaker 3: what your life looked like like you didn't like call

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Speaker 3: each other or text each other five seconds, like if

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Speaker 3: you left be like, I'm if you lived in England,

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Speaker 3: You're like, darling, I must go to Paris.

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Speaker 2: It would be like a week and a half to

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Speaker 1: Forget about forget about that. You know, these these these

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Speaker 1: these sailors would be like, Bay, I'm going to work

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Speaker 5: A half you get years She's like, okay, honey, like

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Speaker 4: Don't let this just go down right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's you know, I'm sure that that also, like,

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Speaker 2: You're not like always with that person. You know, you

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Speaker 3: You're like, the children have been killing.

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Speaker 2: If you get married and not beat with each other,

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Speaker 4: I might have gotten it wrong.

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Speaker 1: I literally just came from Drew doing Drew Barrymore show,

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, of course. And it was all but

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Speaker 2: And also it was COVID.

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Speaker 4: That's the other thing too, because I think we were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so was it a slow coming back together?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, maybe you know, Matt and I

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Speaker 2: Like why don't we all get married, Why don't we

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Speaker 1: They did. The Hudsons did COVID very well. My family

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Speaker 3: My wife, don't even get me story. I would not

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, but if you think back, like we were

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Speaker 3: It's also you forget sometimes when you're in a relationship

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 4: Is this the right decision?

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Speaker 2: And now you're it's also like you can't do this again,

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Speaker 3: Our mom Our mom always says sometimes you got to

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Speaker 2: And I'm like that's a good point, actually.

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Speaker 1: I just I just wish we could all be free

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Speaker 2: Around like crazy. Nobody is stopping.

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Speaker 1: Make it, nobody, make it, make it right.

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Speaker 5: I do the Ella every morning, naked an og just

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Speaker 3: All right, we gotta wrap allie, you gotta flay, okay,

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is so much fun, big bear hugs, so

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Speaker 3: When we come East Coast, I'm gonna hit you up.

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Speaker 3: We have to please.

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Speaker 4: I know, we say it every time.

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Speaker 1: You might be coming here, right, I mean yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're I'm in Toronto for six weeks, but I'll be

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Speaker 1: coming to New York a time, all right, Well, good.

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Speaker 4: Luck with yes, good luck with that. I will find

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