Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to The Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: and welcome to my new time slot. The Carol Markowitz
Speaker 1: Show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can get
Speaker 1: this non political podcast, The Carol Markowitz Show on Wednesdays
Speaker 1: and Fridays, and then normally my political show that I
Speaker 1: co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 1: The only day you don't get me is Mondays. Last episode,
Speaker 1: we talked about the New York Times article that blamed
Speaker 1: women who wanted to marry more accomplished men and men
Speaker 1: not accomplishing at the same rate as women for why
Speaker 1: Trump got elected. Of course, I talked about the stat
Speaker 1: in the piece that said that men only want women
Speaker 1: to earn up to forty percent of what they make,
Speaker 1: and I said that my husband sent me that stat
Speaker 1: and wrote that he'll set aside his and let me
Speaker 1: go to two hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Ha ha.
Speaker 3: But I noted that the real question is what happens
Speaker 3: if my two hundred percent goes to zero? Like what
Speaker 3: if my kids hate high school and need more of
Speaker 3: my time? Can I step away? That's a consideration that
Speaker 3: women make. I heard from a few listeners about this,
Speaker 3: and I want to highlight one email that I got.
Speaker 3: This one is a woman and she writes, Hi, Carol.
Speaker 3: I broke up with someone last year because he didn't
Speaker 3: make as much money as I did. But that wasn't
Speaker 3: the whole picture. We are both in our early thirties
Speaker 3: and he is a great guy who just doesn't work
Speaker 3: that hard. It wasn't the money he was making at
Speaker 3: the time of our relationship, but that I worried about
Speaker 3: our future. I do want to take time off when
Speaker 3: I have children, and if I'm the breadwinner, I can't
Speaker 3: do that. It does sound unfair when I write it out,
Speaker 3: but I just couldn't see a life with someone who
Speaker 3: didn't strive to succeed as much as I tried to.
Speaker 3: I understand that, and I think that it's a much
Speaker 3: bigger problem than an income disparity. The truth is that
Speaker 3: by your early thirties, you kind of know your earning
Speaker 3: power sort of. I mean, I say that, but I
Speaker 3: think a lot of things could change. You know, in
Speaker 3: the decade into your forties, A lot of things are possible.
Speaker 3: But if you don't work hard, you kind of know
Speaker 3: where you're going to go here, and if you're with
Speaker 3: somebody that you don't think is a hard worker. They're
Speaker 3: probably going to stay where they are, and maybe they're
Speaker 3: happy with that, and maybe you're not. If you're going
Speaker 3: to stay financially where you are and you want to
Speaker 3: stay home with the kids, yeah, you kind of have
Speaker 3: to find somebody who makes a lot more money than
Speaker 3: you do or who's able to support you. And again,
Speaker 3: I think this all comes down to telling the truth
Speaker 3: to yourself. What I hear from women is that it's
Speaker 3: not that they need to have a man who's very rich.
Speaker 3: It's just the vision they have for their future family
Speaker 3: is that they will be at least somewhat home with
Speaker 3: the kings. As I've said, in our family, I have
Speaker 3: a career, I'm very busy, but I'm still the primary caregiver.
Speaker 3: I'm the one who drops everything when the kid is sick,
Speaker 3: the one who runs the household and you know, shops
Speaker 3: and does all the things that you need to do
Speaker 3: to keep household running. Someone is going to be the
Speaker 3: person who does that, and it won't be generally the
Speaker 3: breadwinner of the couple. It's less about actual salary than
Speaker 3: it is about time and what you want your family
Speaker 3: life to look like, I think that's something that couples
Speaker 3: should be discussing before they get married, or even before
Speaker 3: they get serious. Conversations about money are always awkward, but
Speaker 3: I think it's really important to lay out how you
Speaker 3: want your family life to function before you have that family.
Speaker 3: It'll save a lot of fights and struggles in the
Speaker 3: long run. Coming up an interview with Megan dum But
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 4: guest today is Megan DOWM. Megan is an author, journalist,
Speaker 4: host of The Unspeakable podcast, and founder of the Unspeakeasy,
Speaker 4: the first ever heterodox women's community, sometimes called the women's
Speaker 4: Shelter for the politically homeless. Hi, Megan, so nice to
Speaker 4: have you on.
Speaker 2: Hi, Carol, it's great to be with you.
Speaker 4: So I'm not politically homeless. I am just always been
Speaker 4: a conservative. I mean I've had times where I oppose
Speaker 4: the Republican Party, sure, but I have loved following what
Speaker 4: you're doing, and I think that it's really interesting and unique.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little little bit about the project,
Speaker 4: the Unspeakeasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a fascinating journey with this thing. I
Speaker 2: think I feel like political homelessness is kind of on
Speaker 2: a spectrum. I think, you know, even even if you
Speaker 2: don't feel generally homeless, we all have our moments. Sure,
Speaker 2: so this I often think of this as a as
Speaker 2: a group for women who hate group think, and that
Speaker 2: is a group for women who hate groups, hate groups,
Speaker 2: who sometimes hate other women. No, no, no, it's hilarious
Speaker 2: because I'm the last person who ever thought they would
Speaker 2: start a women's community. I've always been I've been an
Speaker 2: anti group sort of person. But you know, I've been writing,
Speaker 2: as you know, about culture war issues for a long time,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of throughout my career in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. No, when my book The Problem with Everything
Speaker 2: came out in twenty nineteen, I got a lot of
Speaker 2: pushback from people on the left, but I also had
Speaker 2: a lot of people coming and saying like, oh, I
Speaker 2: really relate to what you're saying. I always thought of
Speaker 2: myself as this kind of person, but I'm not identifying
Speaker 2: with a lot of aspects of this movement. Started my
Speaker 2: podcast The Unspeakable in twenty twenty. You know, the sort
Speaker 2: of origin story here is that I've always been a
Speaker 2: writing teacher. So I was teaching just regular writing workshops
Speaker 2: I always have, and I had people coming into my workshop.
Speaker 2: It was not a political class at all, but I
Speaker 2: had women especially coming in and like not even wanting
Speaker 2: to write necessarily, they just wanted to have a place
Speaker 2: where they could talk about the issues that I talk
Speaker 2: about on my podcast and you know, I'm all about nuance.
Speaker 2: I was talking about the new gender movement and we
Speaker 2: were talking about you know, COVID stuff, and you know,
Speaker 2: the sort of range of views and experiences there. And
Speaker 2: it became so clear to me that while everybody obviously
Speaker 2: experiences the effects of cancel culture, women were having a
Speaker 2: very particular kind of experience because they were being ostracized
Speaker 2: by other women, by their own friends, sometimes their closest friends,
Speaker 2: because they were not in lockstep with certain views. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't only it wasn't only like inconvenient. It was heartbreaking, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I realized I needed to start a community
Speaker 2: for women who were experiencing this in different ways.
Speaker 4: So is it just like all the canceled people hanging
Speaker 4: out together.
Speaker 2: Or some of them are our normies? I mean, we
Speaker 2: have so right, So this is I mean, this is
Speaker 2: for everyone. So how it started is I assembled a
Speaker 2: group of about ten women that I knew from you know,
Speaker 2: different they had different kinds of jobs, different walks of life,
Speaker 2: they lived all over the country, and we went out.
Speaker 2: We went to Joshua Tree, actually we went out into
Speaker 2: the desert and just had three days of discussions. We
Speaker 2: talked about everything. We talked about censorship and the arts,
Speaker 2: we talked about public health messaging, we talked about gender,
Speaker 2: and it was magical. There were no phones, we were
Speaker 2: not doing social media stuff. We were a range of ages,
Speaker 2: and it was like, we need to offer these for everyone.
Speaker 2: We need to have free speech vacations, right basically. So
Speaker 2: I started leading these and then we built an online community.
Speaker 2: So now we have a private membership based online community
Speaker 2: and we have women of all ages, all backgrounds.
Speaker 4: It go.
Speaker 2: They start they're in their twenties, all the way up
Speaker 2: to their range of political views, and really the emphasis
Speaker 2: is on nuanced, off the record, private, honest, good faith
Speaker 2: conversations and it's fantastic. Actually, it's been life changing for me,
Speaker 2: and I think for a lot of our members.
Speaker 3: It sounds amazing more with Megan Dome in a moment,
Speaker 3: but first, protecting our families and homes is essential, but
Speaker 3: are we truly prepared? Break Ins happen every twenty five seconds.
Speaker 3: Even with the security system, can it really keep intruders out?
Speaker 3: Layer your defenses to buy yourself time. Start with Sabers
Speaker 3: driveway alerts to know when someone's approaching, paired with the
Speaker 3: floodlights to deter them. Sabers door security bars reinforce your
Speaker 3: front and back doors, stopping up to six hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty pounds of force to secure entry points even when
Speaker 3: you're not home, and if you are home, many invasions
Speaker 3: happen at night. Sabers Home Defense Launcher is the ultimate
Speaker 3: choice to protect yourself and family. Saber projectiles hit hard,
Speaker 3: causing intense pain and can still be effective if you
Speaker 3: miss as intruders within the six foot pepper cloud experienced
Speaker 3: sensory irritation plus. Sabers Home Defense Launcher is the only
Speaker 3: sixty eight caliber launcher with a seven projectile capacity, offering
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Speaker 4: The thing that I ask people like you, and what
Speaker 4: I mean by that is people who were on the left,
Speaker 4: like comfortable maybe, but they decided they had to speak
Speaker 4: out on any.
Speaker 2: Number of issues.
Speaker 4: Why, Like what moved you to do that when you
Speaker 4: could have just been safe and comfortable and not bothered
Speaker 4: and not canceled and all of that on the left,
Speaker 4: Like what provoked you?
Speaker 2: I just don't like bs. What can I say? I
Speaker 2: don't like being dishonest. I became a writer and a
Speaker 2: journalist and an essays because I wanted to explore ideas
Speaker 2: in an honest way, like that's why I'm in the job.
Speaker 2: And so just as a writer, it's been really disturbing
Speaker 2: to me to see people who got into this business
Speaker 2: because they wanted to think and they wanted to be
Speaker 2: authentic in their expressions and suddenly like that's the opposite
Speaker 2: of the job. So I just couldn't keep doing it
Speaker 2: in the old way.
Speaker 4: Did you always want to be a writer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm really bad at everything else. I have no
Speaker 2: other skills. Although now that I've become an event planner
Speaker 2: in my well through doing the unspeakeasy, I sometimes I
Speaker 2: feel like I should have gone to hotel management school
Speaker 2: or something. It's not too late, you know, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: never too late, but yeah, I mean, just you know,
Speaker 2: the thing is it kind of is a great It's
Speaker 2: been a great thing for me because I love ideas,
Speaker 2: and I love bringing people together and I love to talk.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and I'm curious if you have
Speaker 2: thoughts about this too, because as a podcaster and as
Speaker 2: like a woman, I mean, you're a columnist, you've been
Speaker 2: a journalist, you were in this world. The kind of
Speaker 2: heterodoc space, whatever you want to call it, the kind
Speaker 2: of free thought viewpoint diversity space is very male dominated.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have obvious exceptions, women who are succeeding
Speaker 2: on extraordinary levels like Barry Weiss and people like that,
Speaker 2: but it's very very broish, right, And so part of
Speaker 2: the reason I started the Unspeakeasy is I was noticing that,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the women in the listener communities
Speaker 2: of these podcasts, they were in the minority. Like you
Speaker 2: go to a hangout for one of these things, and
Speaker 2: it would be like all dudes and maybe a few women,
Speaker 2: and women really have very specific experiences around this. I meant,
Speaker 2: a lot of the women that come into the unspeakeasy
Speaker 2: always say they had a book club incident or something
Speaker 2: happening on Facebook, or something happening with their parent group. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, suddenly you're in your book club and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, guys like I don't want to read, you know,
Speaker 2: white fragility, and suddenly you're thrown out, and women exercise
Speaker 2: control with social exclusion, right. You know, they are sort
Speaker 2: of the the drivers of cancel culture, right, and it's
Speaker 2: really devastating. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. It's interesting about the heterodox movement. You're saying that
Speaker 4: it's male dominated. I think all politics. You know, when
Speaker 4: I was in my twenties and my girlfriends would say, like,
Speaker 4: how do you meet a man, I would say, get
Speaker 4: into politics. My two hobbies were politics and poker. I
Speaker 4: was surrounded by men. I was like hoping for more
Speaker 4: women to get into it. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: play poker and get into politics and you'll be surrounded
Speaker 4: by men all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think that's common across across all the not
Speaker 4: just heterodoxy, but in the conservative world, in the liberal world,
Speaker 4: I think it's just a male dominated sort of feel.
Speaker 2: That's true. You should write a dating book. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my two tips. That's all they got, Like, I'm out
Speaker 2: of ideas never.
Speaker 4: But it's interesting also about about dating, like how do
Speaker 4: these heterodox people find each other in the dating world.
Speaker 4: It's not quite as easy as marking conservative or liberal
Speaker 4: on a dating app.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well apparently if you're on a lot of
Speaker 2: these apps, if you say that you're conservative, you're going
Speaker 2: to run out of options fast, right.
Speaker 4: But you at least anybody who contacts you knows what
Speaker 4: they're getting. You know, nobody's going to be surprised, no
Speaker 4: element of like secrecy. It's all out there in the open, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a conservative and that's just what I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well, I always I keep saying there
Speaker 2: should be some kind of heterodox dating app. Even know,
Speaker 2: the word heterodocs is so terrible. I can't think of
Speaker 2: a better one. But yeah, there should be a sort
Speaker 2: of like unwoke. Yeah, I mean, but this is stuff
Speaker 2: we talk about in the community. I mean, a lot
Speaker 2: of our women, you know, we tend to be you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of gen xers, but like I said,
Speaker 2: we're all ages. So it's you know, the getting together
Speaker 2: with women, and I should say, like, you know, with
Speaker 2: with our retreats. We've gone I think we've done like
Speaker 2: fifteen now, and they're small, they're captive, about sixteen people,
Speaker 2: and we go to beautiful places and just to sit
Speaker 2: in a room with like you have women in their
Speaker 2: twenties and then you have women who are much much
Speaker 2: older and being able to talk about these things. It's
Speaker 2: like it really it's profound, Like you realize how infrequently
Speaker 2: we're around people who are like way older than us,
Speaker 2: for instance, or much younger and something like dating and
Speaker 2: relationships that I can really be meaningful, Like for like
Speaker 2: a twenty six year old to sit there and try
Speaker 2: to talk about what it's like to be on the
Speaker 2: apps and in this kind of hookup culture world with
Speaker 2: a woman who's like seventy five and has had a
Speaker 2: totally different experience around that stuff, but also feels similarly
Speaker 2: alienated from the current culture and from her own friends.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had women like who live in retirement
Speaker 2: communities that are so woke they're losing their minds, and
Speaker 2: women who just graduated from college and their college was
Speaker 2: so woke they're losing their minds, And there's like an
Speaker 2: incredible common ground there.
Speaker 4: How do they find you well.
Speaker 2: Often they find me well. They find me through my podcast,
Speaker 2: the Unspeakable podcast, which I started. I started in the
Speaker 2: summer of twenty twenty, summer of all podcasts starting, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them know me through there, just through
Speaker 2: my writing. And we have a you know, we have
Speaker 2: a website, the unspeakeasy dot com. And I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's very word of math. I have not done really
Speaker 2: any publicity. We have about we have about i'd say,
Speaker 2: five hundred members and that's just been you know, that
Speaker 2: has been through through of mouth, and that's starting to change.
Speaker 2: You know, in the community. We bring in speakers, we
Speaker 2: have book clubs. We have book clubs that you're not
Speaker 2: going to get kicked out of. Wow, I mean. And
Speaker 2: no white fragility, no, I mean. And you know, we
Speaker 2: often are able to bring in the authors. We've had
Speaker 2: Lionel Schreiverer come in and speak with us. We had
Speaker 2: Carol Hooven, the evolutionary biologists who wrote the book t
Speaker 2: The Story of Testosterone. She joined us. Julie Bindle, who's
Speaker 2: a legendary feminist and she's a controversial person but has
Speaker 2: been very outspoken around the gender movement and youth gender
Speaker 2: transition transition. She's joining us soon, and it's just I
Speaker 2: think people hear about it and and they want to come,
Speaker 2: and you know it is there's there's a little application process.
Speaker 2: We need to know who you are because some women
Speaker 2: are in there and they really feel very vulnerable, Like
Speaker 2: a lot of them have kids that have gotten caught
Speaker 2: up and gender stuff, and they feel very vulnerable in
Speaker 2: their community. They really really need to feel safe in
Speaker 2: the community. So I need to know who everybody is.
Speaker 2: And it's just been it's just been great. But yet, no,
Speaker 2: we don't advertise or anything like that. We're not advertising
Speaker 2: on the subway well with the dating apps yet.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting you say that people who got you know,
Speaker 4: have kids, have gotten caught up in the gender thing.
Speaker 4: You know, they're feeling vulnerable and they kind of need
Speaker 4: you know, I hate to say safe space, but you know,
Speaker 4: we do all need safe spaces sometimes, because I think
Speaker 4: that the right has sort of misplayed that part of
Speaker 4: it with the with the gender stuff, like they're not
Speaker 4: being supportive enough to parents who are suffering. They assume
Speaker 4: like all parents are, like we my kids. Trends I'm
Speaker 4: so popular are now and a lot of parents, I
Speaker 4: mean I knew parents in Brooklyn, New York and super
Speaker 4: left areas who are super struggling with their kid, you know,
Speaker 4: declaring themselves trands. The school obviously wanting to reinforce that,
Speaker 4: and there's nobody to kind of guide them or help
Speaker 4: them or say it's you know, I love your kid,
Speaker 4: here's the steps you should take to help them. And
Speaker 4: so it's really interesting that you mentioned that and that
Speaker 4: you have that support for these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the reason that we think that all the
Speaker 2: parents are going, yay, my kid is trans is because
Speaker 2: those are the parents that we see on social media
Speaker 2: by definition, right, Yeah, and there are so many that
Speaker 2: are really scared. They're they're apprehensive, but they've also been judged,
Speaker 2: if not downright ostracized by their communities if they don't affirm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a huge, huge issue in our community.
Speaker 2: It's by no means the only thing we talk about,
Speaker 2: and we've got plenty of members who like don't care
Speaker 2: about this issue at all. It is something that brings
Speaker 2: people in. I mean, interestingly, we have a lot of therapists,
Speaker 2: we have you know, a lot of our women are therapists,
Speaker 2: and they are our therapists who are not necessarily like
Speaker 2: affirmative care, and they are worried about within the therapy
Speaker 2: community being ostracized. They're they're really concerned about privacy. You know,
Speaker 2: we have even that we did internal pulling, you know,
Speaker 2: in the run up to the election, and you know,
Speaker 2: our members were actually pretty evenly split Harris Trump. I mean,
Speaker 2: it shifted around at different points, but it's amazing, like
Speaker 2: we are, we are divided almost straight down the middle,
Speaker 2: and we managed to get along. So rare, It's totally rare.
Speaker 2: And I mean we we had some tense moments, for sure,
Speaker 2: but you know, we had this incredible you know, we
Speaker 2: have a zoom hangout. We have we have a hangout lounge.
Speaker 2: It's open all the time and people can pop into
Speaker 2: the Zoom. And we were in there on election night
Speaker 2: and you know, watching the returns came in and a
Speaker 2: lot of women were saying, you know, eight years ago,
Speaker 2: I would have been losing my mind. I would be hysterical,
Speaker 2: I was crying, et cetera, et cetera. And now because
Speaker 2: of this group, I don't actually feel I feel calm,
Speaker 2: like I feel weirdly calm, like, I understand why people
Speaker 2: voted the way they did. These are human beings. I
Speaker 2: get their motivation. I see how much common ground we
Speaker 2: have and it's gonna be okay. And then they're able
Speaker 2: to like take this energy and bring it out into
Speaker 2: their real lives. So that's and that's been huge for people. Amazing.
Speaker 4: Can you like take this this on the road and
Speaker 4: help other people calm down about the election?
Speaker 2: I know exactly. I mean we are on the road
Speaker 2: because we have these retreats, and I will say, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a women's community, and you know, I sort
Speaker 2: of explained some of the reasons for that, but we
Speaker 2: are starting to have events for men. We had our
Speaker 2: first co ed retreat last summer in Chicago. It was great,
Speaker 2: although you know what was so funny the men were
Speaker 2: like weirdly reserved, like they were I think they were
Speaker 2: so afraid of being man's plainers or something that they
Speaker 2: were like they were really respectful, and I was like, men,
Speaker 2: you know, speak up, you can talk a little more.
Speaker 2: How often does that happen?
Speaker 4: Were they mostly like on the left or right or
Speaker 4: I would say both.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, you know, I will say that our
Speaker 2: members the vast majority of our members wanted neither Trump
Speaker 2: nor Harris, and so that's a lot of discussion. But
Speaker 2: we certainly had people who probably voted for Trump last
Speaker 2: time and voted for him this time, and we had
Speaker 2: people who shifted over. And it's really the thing is,
Speaker 2: it's like somebody can feel very much on the left
Speaker 2: with one issue and much more conservative on another issue.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what heterod actually means. It's like it's
Speaker 2: an a la carte kind of kind of a way
Speaker 2: of looking at things that I just think most people are,
Speaker 2: like they just hate they hate this bifurcation. It's so toxic.
Speaker 2: Fit doesn't them right, It doesn't fit like a lot
Speaker 2: of people like it's not really the way humans are
Speaker 2: supposed to organize their brains, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you worry about? I worry about people just
Speaker 2: staying so much in their echo chambers that they have
Speaker 2: no grip on reality. I mean, it's already happening to
Speaker 2: see our friends melting down on TikTok and like these
Speaker 2: women shaving their heads, if anyone's even actually doing this,
Speaker 2: like I have yet to know if like these people
Speaker 2: falling apart on TikTok are actually real. Yeah, I'm really
Speaker 2: worried about like the mental health of people who don't
Speaker 2: actually know what's happening. Yeah, in the world, like they
Speaker 2: really they have like this weird fantasy version. They're like
Speaker 2: as if we're all going to be rounded up and
Speaker 2: taken to Handmaid's tail land.
Speaker 4: Yeahs if government could do anything that efficient, yeah, exactly
Speaker 4: would that they could?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I just there's there's a kind of
Speaker 2: like cosplay element to a lot of this, and it's
Speaker 2: very performative, and but it's that's what the algorithm favors.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, as an independent media person that
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier to get clicks if you are hysterical. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: and that has never been my way. So I'm just
Speaker 2: worried about that dynamic reinforcing itself. So, yeah, that is
Speaker 2: what I worry about.
Speaker 4: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the advice I would give my sixteen
Speaker 2: year old self. I would I would change my name.
Speaker 2: I would change my last name. So there has been
Speaker 2: all this confusion about how to pronounce my last name,
Speaker 2: and I caused it, but I haven't I haven't Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a dom as a down and that's a
Speaker 2: conversation for another time. Yeah, I wish I had just,
Speaker 2: well maybe when I was eighteen, just have a professional name,
Speaker 2: you know. Would also I would tell myself that I'm
Speaker 2: not nearly as fat as as I think.
Speaker 4: I that's every since it's not fat at all.
Speaker 2: We knew God were we domb? Oh? My god?
Speaker 4: So what would you? What name?
Speaker 2: Would you choose? Anything? I have thought of so many names,
Speaker 2: just you know, some some family name that's just easier.
Speaker 2: There's there's plenty of normal uh Irish family names in there.
Speaker 4: So I mean somebody who's always had to spell my
Speaker 4: first and last name. Even when I had made a name,
Speaker 4: it was also unspellable.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 4: But then on the other hand, I'm like, it's interesting,
Speaker 4: it's not Smith. It's you know, not that there's anything
Speaker 4: wrong with Smith's me. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I would talk that sixteen year old
Speaker 4: Magan Dowmn out of changing her name.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well that would be a good that'd
Speaker 2: be a good exercise. Yeah, I guess I would just uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I would just say to myself, you're not
Speaker 2: as messed up as you think you are, and I
Speaker 2: wasn't even you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do all teenagers think they're messed up?
Speaker 2: Or did you?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Especially now? I mean we felt that way and we
Speaker 2: didn't even have social media, right, we were wrong, we
Speaker 2: were Oh my god? Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: So I've loved this. I love your group. It sounds
Speaker 4: amazing the Unspeakeasy and I encourage everybody listening to check
Speaker 4: out Unspeakable. It's your podcast, She's so fantastic. Leave us
Speaker 4: here with your best tip for my listeners on how
Speaker 4: they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2: Howkay they can improve their lives? This is so banal.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've given you the most projectic tips. Okay,
Speaker 2: the best ones. This is the best one here.
Speaker 4: Like, the best tip I think that I've heard the
Speaker 4: most about is the very first, my very first episode,
Speaker 4: Buck Sexton said, read before bed, Read before bed, and
Speaker 4: everybody writes in like, oh you know that reading before
Speaker 4: bed really changed my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good one. I'm going to say this.
Speaker 2: Get your car detailed. Get your car detailed, you know
Speaker 2: how like sometimes you feel like I'm want a new car,
Speaker 2: I'm sick in my car. No, no, no, all you
Speaker 2: have to do once a year, pay three hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you live, two hundred dollars, take
Speaker 2: it in for three or four hours. They will basically
Speaker 2: give you a new car car that you take out
Speaker 2: will It will smell like a new car, it will
Speaker 2: be gleaming, you won't even recognize your own car, and
Speaker 2: you will have paid hardly anything compared to even thinking
Speaker 2: about buying a new car. And you'll be happy.
Speaker 4: This is such a great tip. I'm actually gonna do
Speaker 4: this because my car is a mess. I've been needing
Speaker 4: a car wash.
Speaker 2: I may as well just take it for detailing. Do
Speaker 2: it. It will change your life.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to have my life changed. Thank you so much, Megan.
Speaker 4: This has been such a fun conversation. Check out her podcast,
Speaker 4: check out her events. I think this is such a
Speaker 4: cool idea that you're doing, and I encourage everybody to
Speaker 4: check it out The Unspeakable podcast. The events are called
Speaker 4: on Speakeasy. Thank you so much, Hagan, Thank you Carol,
Speaker 4: thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Market
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