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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Minky

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing and we're gonna take a deeper look

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Speaker 1: into the Ravens week to win over the Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 1: as well as talk about some of the early news

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Speaker 1: this week as the Ravens get set to face the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions on Monday Night Football. So, Garrett, a couple

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Speaker 1: of days removed from the ravens big win over Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: what stands out to.

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Speaker 2: You, honestly, what really was like the story for me

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Speaker 2: coming out of this game is the way that the

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Speaker 2: Ravens got significant contributions from guys for a little bit

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Speaker 2: under the radar and how important that is in being

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Speaker 2: a successful team. And like you can just look at it,

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Speaker 2: basically four scores were really set up by special teams

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Speaker 2: or defense. One of them just was accomplished by defense,

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Speaker 2: and that was Rokwand Smith. Now he's under the radar player,

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Speaker 2: but you had a defensive You had an interception from

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Speaker 2: Nate Wings to put you in a great position, You

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Speaker 2: had the touchdown by Rokwand Smith, and then on special

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Speaker 2: teams you had a nice return by Lejonte Western and

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Speaker 2: you had a block punt by Jay Kummele, Like four

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Speaker 2: plays up put the offense in a really good position

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Speaker 2: and then going back to the under the radar thing

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Speaker 2: like tes Walker pair of touchdowns DeAndre Hopkins. Not a

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Speaker 2: big game, big name of Hall of Famer, but not

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Speaker 2: a guy that's like he's not he's not playing. The

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Speaker 2: majority of snaps had ten snaps to Wallace. Tylon Wallace,

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Speaker 2: thank you, like the the list.

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Speaker 1: Wallace also like, don't forget that he also recovered Derrick

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Speaker 1: Henry's fumble in the play before his touchdown. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't recover that fumble. You know, early early momentum in

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Speaker 1: that game shifts totally.

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Speaker 2: So like I think the Ravens have there's no doubt,

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Speaker 2: like they have the top bend star power. They have

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, they have Derrick Henry, they have five first

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Speaker 2: round picks in the secondary, Like they have star power

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Speaker 2: on this team. But I really do think that, like

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Speaker 2: if the Ravens are going to be a team that

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Speaker 2: goes deep in the playoffs when we get to January,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna talk about players who come up from under

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Speaker 2: the radar and make plays and clutch moments and and

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Speaker 2: it's not always the stars that end up it's guys

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Speaker 2: who can come up and make big plays in big moments,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's encouraging to see the Ravens get

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Speaker 2: some of that early on in the season.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you talk about having the NFL's best roster,

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Speaker 1: it isn't just the front line players, and the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have a lot of those. They have a lot of stars,

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Speaker 1: but it also goes to the Ravens depth. And I

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Speaker 1: think to what you're speaking to, you know, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have a ton of depth, and you look on offense

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Speaker 1: and you know, the tight ends haven't had a big contribution.

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Speaker 1: You know, DeAndre Hopkins isn't playing a ton of snaps

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Speaker 1: like and yet they're still getting guys like tedz Walker,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Tyler Wallace making these big plays, right,

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Speaker 1: And then beyond that, to me, it's you have to

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Speaker 1: have multiple ways to win. And the offense wasn't particularly

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Speaker 1: as sharp early in this game, especially right and when

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Speaker 1: the offense was kind of a little slow getting out

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Speaker 1: of the gates, especially in the running game. You know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we won with our special teams and with defense, which

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Speaker 1: you look at forty one points on the final scoreboard,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like the offense had a bad day.

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Speaker 1: But like, sometimes you know, it's not gonna be clicking

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Speaker 1: really good defense like the Cleveland Browns have. And to

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Speaker 1: see the Ravens kind of pivot and win a game

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Speaker 1: against a tough division foe in a different way with

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Speaker 1: the hump early on when it was a really close,

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Speaker 1: tight game and then okay, all right, you give the

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Speaker 1: offense extra possessions and bang, bang bang bang bang, it

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Speaker 1: catches fire twenty one points in the fourth quarter, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so like it's honestly like and to the offense

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Speaker 1: is credit. Okay, being able to win when you're not

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Speaker 1: running the ball, well, can you still win that way? Yep? Right,

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Speaker 1: you know Lamar Jackson throws four touchdown passes, right, And

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Speaker 1: so I think like the ability to win with different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great point. Like if you

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Speaker 2: go back to the twenty nineteen Ravens and that team

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Speaker 3: They were the number one.

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Speaker 2: Seed in the AFC, going to that postseason and that

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Speaker 2: was such a fun year. But that team like really

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Speaker 3: They would get up early, they would.

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Speaker 2: Dominate the time of possession, they would play really sound defense,

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Speaker 2: and like they would bleed teams because they would just run.

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Speaker 2: They would run, run, run, and it was hard. It

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Speaker 2: was hard to stop that. Nobody really stopped it. But

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Speaker 2: like they weren't really a team that was like built

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Speaker 2: to come from behind or win in different ways in

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Speaker 2: the way that like, this team is built to win

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Speaker 2: in so many different so many different ways. And I

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Speaker 2: think that like that really just serves you well. Like

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Speaker 2: if you're a well rounded team and there's a day

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Speaker 2: that like the running game isn't working well, but you

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Speaker 2: in a really good position.

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Speaker 1: Well let's let's be honest about it. It's because Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson is a is a better quarterback, a much better

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Speaker 1: quarterback that he wasn't twenty nineteen when, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: he won MVP. Just it is Lamar Jackson right now,

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Speaker 1: as it stands, has the highest quarterback rating in NFL

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Speaker 1: history for a career. He surpassed Aaron Rodgers this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: He's the statistically, you know, you can put there's a

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Speaker 1: ton of metrics out there to grade quarterbacks with, but

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Speaker 1: quarterback rating is kind of the standard. Statistically, he's the

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Speaker 1: best passing quarterback in NFL history by that metric, right,

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Speaker 1: which is a very popular metric. Yeah, and so that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy when you go back and think

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Speaker 1: about what the kind of player Lamar Jackson was coming

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Speaker 1: out of college and now he was a much better

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Speaker 1: But he's become a much better passer since entering the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And like, and oh, by the way, he's a career

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's preposterous the level to which Lamar Jackson's playing.

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Speaker 1: And he's thrown ten more touchdown passes that have traveled

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Speaker 1: he's just he's just playing at such a high level.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, even when he came out of

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Speaker 1: look back at it at the end, you're like, Lamar

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns, right, four touchdown Town's ridiculous, I know.

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Speaker 2: And that's like I've said this before, but I think

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Speaker 2: what really doesn't get enough he doesn't get enough credit

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Speaker 3: Like he doesn't. He does not throw interceptions. He just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: And like knocking on some wood, I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: but like he like he's been he has not been

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Speaker 3: He is not.

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Speaker 1: I mean last year was.

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Speaker 3: His efficiency is through the roof.

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Speaker 2: And that's why when you look at the quarterback rating,

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Speaker 2: he's his passer rating is the best ever because he's

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Speaker 2: crazy when you like, there's no doubt that he's the

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Speaker 2: best running quarterback of all time, Like I don't think

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Speaker 3: A debate that many people would have.

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Speaker 2: And when you look at this, it's like passer rating wise,

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Speaker 2: he's the best.

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Speaker 1: Well, now now you're getting into an honest debate about

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Speaker 1: where Lamar Jackson ranks among the best throwing quarterbacks of

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Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, you're getting into that.

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Speaker 1: That's a legitimate debate at this point. Yeah, well, look

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Speaker 2: Yeah. John Harwall said before last season, like the hope

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Speaker 2: is that he's going to go down is the best

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Speaker 2: that caught some people's attention when he made that comment

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Speaker 2: consider all Lamar does, I think it's it's justified.

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Speaker 3: Of course. Of course that debate is going to come

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Speaker 3: down to ranks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like exactly, that's the debate that That's what

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Speaker 1: John Harwall said, Like you talk about the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. I mean that's we've known that. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the whole conversation around Lamar. But like more nuanced,

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Speaker 1: I think a new interesting conversation is like, just in

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Speaker 2: Well, right now, he's got the past, like you said,

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Speaker 2: best passer writing in NFL history, So I'll just we'll

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Speaker 2: the downside of that game is some of the injury updates.

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Speaker 2: Kyle van Ney left the game with a hamstring injury.

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Speaker 2: Marlon Humphrey left the game with a groin injury. For

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Speaker 2: for van Ney, the reports are that he could miss

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Speaker 2: multiple weeks. That's what multiple reports are suggesting. With Marlon Humphrey.

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Speaker 2: There's not been anything that's really come out from any

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Speaker 2: time of the year where we're getting into that. It's

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Speaker 2: these guys are We'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: He said, they're not anything season ending, yes, So.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere between, no misstime and season ending, Like it's somewhere

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Speaker 2: in that range exactly. If Kyle van Noy is sidelined

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Speaker 2: Sunday against the Browns, I think we're gonna see more

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Speaker 2: on my Green, the rookie. I think he's the guy

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Speaker 2: that steps into more of a prominent role in that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that it would be a tough loss

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Speaker 1: Ben Kyle Annoy is a very good player led the

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Speaker 1: Ravens and sacks last year, So like let's not gloss

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Speaker 1: over if he's missing from Monday Night football against the

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Speaker 1: Lions or beyond. That's a tough loss. I mean you

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Speaker 1: in terms of just knowing how to play right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like like he helps set up other guys for plays also

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Speaker 1: And so I like you talk about combo rushes, like stunts, picks,

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Speaker 1: He had he had a good game.

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Speaker 2: I thought he hasn't got to the quarterback yet, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, Yeah, that's what I would expect. But Mike

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Speaker 2: The other injury, well, I guess I'm Marlin just in

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Speaker 2: he Harbaugh said, Jay is going to play sooner or

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Speaker 1: Certainly wouldn't surprise me. If Kyle van Noy and Marlon

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna be like aho ho you miss

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Speaker 2: There's a reason that he's one of the best in

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, exactly they might have thought when they were

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Speaker 2: I mean that changes the AFC North. Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think that this certainly puts the Ravens in,

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Speaker 1: I would be very, very surprised if Joe Burrow plays

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're gonna use him as their scout quarterback.

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Speaker 1: be wearing number eight, the number eight jersey out there

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Speaker 1: in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's for sure, what's gonna be happened. That's sure.

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Speaker 1: That's why they picked him, because.

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Speaker 3: He's been a wide receiver in the past two years

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Speaker 3: here in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's if old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anybody that can simulate Lamar Jackson

443
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Speaker 1: in like how Lamar you know and this offense, like

444
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Speaker 1: knows how this offense operates, it's the closest thing is

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Speaker 1: probably Elite Cunningham. Yeah right, I mean, he knows his

446
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Speaker 1: offense very well, and he now he's not Lamar Jackson,

447
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Speaker 1: of course, what's about that? Yeah, But like you're looking

448
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Speaker 1: for the closest parody, and so that's that's why I

449
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Speaker 1: expect the Lions picked him up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an interesting that one caught my attention.

451
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Speaker 2: Uh to see that move so well.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens picked up their own Malik on the practice

453
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Speaker 1: squad yep, bringing back Maleek Cam. It's true Lak versus Maleak. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 1: Ultimore native exactly. So happy to see Malik Cam come back.

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Speaker 1: And you do wonder, you know, with Kyle van Noy

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Speaker 1: if you were to miss some time, is there a

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Speaker 1: chance that Malee Cam could be activated for the game

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Speaker 1: day from the practice squad. Now, like we said, David

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Speaker 1: Ajaba has been a healthy scratch, I would anticipate probably

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Speaker 1: a jabo, but some more depth there in case of

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Speaker 1: Van Noy.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So I think that that is it's I also

463
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Speaker 2: like Milee Cam. This is a guy who made the

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Speaker 2: team as an and drafted rookie, got a great story,

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Speaker 2: and so excited to see him get another opportunity to

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Speaker 2: be back here on the practice squad.

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Speaker 3: So we'll take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take a deeper look into

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Speaker 2: the film and give you some other thoughts from the game.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday, you're listening to the last podcast, We're coming

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Speaker 2: to you from the Sea Geek Studio.

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Speaker 3: We want to mention.

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Speaker 2: Our partners are Draftking Sportsbook. They are an official sports

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Speaker 2: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draftking Sportsbook. The crown

475
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Speaker 2: is yours. So if we're talking about the game on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: I think that a good starting point is Rokwan Smith.

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Speaker 2: This dude was everywhere. He was flying all over the field.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen tackles, three tackles for loss, a scoop and score touchdown.

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Speaker 2: When and when you go back and look at that touchdown, man,

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Speaker 2: he picked it up and he turned on the Jets

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Speaker 2: for about fifteen yards, and he said that after the

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Speaker 2: game he was like, I had a quick burst and

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Speaker 2: then I backed it off as I cruised him to

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Speaker 2: the end zone. But when you go back and look

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Speaker 2: at it, like he turned on the Jets for his

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Speaker 2: first few strides after picking up that football to give

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Speaker 2: himself a clear pathway.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know who Quon was that fat

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Speaker 1: He hit nineteen point zero six miles per hour, yeah,

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Speaker 1: wearing the next sen stats. Yeah, that's the fastest he's

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Speaker 1: run in three years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he really he was moving and when

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Speaker 2: he picked up that ball, so I thought that was

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Speaker 2: you know, I thought that was nice to see he.

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Speaker 1: Went back to those running back days.

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Speaker 2: He did, he said he played, he played high school

497
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Speaker 2: running back, went back those running back days in Making County, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: And then he ran right into his family and gave

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Speaker 2: them the ball in the end zone, which is a

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Speaker 2: pretty cool moment for him. But when you looked at

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Speaker 2: the tape on Roquan like that play aside, what stood

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Speaker 2: out to you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so like instinctive and just like triggering incredibly fast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's who Roquan is. But so it's

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Speaker 1: like it's nothing like new that I saw on tape

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Speaker 1: where it's like wow, okay, like no he could do

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Speaker 1: that other than maybe the speed on the return, but

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Speaker 1: like the rest of it was just like dominance from

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Speaker 1: start to finish. And it's kind of interesting. You know,

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Speaker 1: our cameras for Ravens Wire caught a moment between Roquan

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Speaker 1: and ray Lewis before the game in the pregame huddle

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Speaker 1: or pregame tunnel, and you know, a kind of in

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Speaker 1: his year and four quarters, four quarters, you know, you

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Speaker 1: got to get this team playing four quarters, and Rowe

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Speaker 1: you know, of course agreeing with that and uh and

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Speaker 1: he showed it on the field. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was interesting that Ken mcusick h compared it to

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the most iconic Ray Lewis performances

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Speaker 1: of his of his day. Yeah, and just that level

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Speaker 1: of dominance. I mean, Rokwon was just on everything and

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Speaker 1: everyone immediately.

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Speaker 2: He was awesome. And I said this in our post

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Speaker 2: game reaction podcast. I thought that, like some of the

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Speaker 2: criticism of him, especially coming out of the Buffalo game,

525
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Speaker 2: was was really unfair and overblown in my view. Like,

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Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty good against Buffalo outside of

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Speaker 2: that one miscap tackle on James Cook that was like

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Speaker 2: the one bad play that he had in that game

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Speaker 2: that stood out, But like I thought, he was overall

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Speaker 2: pretty good. And then he just carried that into this

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Speaker 2: where he played awesome, Like he played like the best

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Speaker 2: life background football on Sunday, which I think he's capable

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Speaker 2: of doing it, and like.

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Speaker 1: This, he keeps this up, He's going to be in

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Speaker 1: that Defensive Player of Year conversation as long as the

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Speaker 1: Ravens defense fares well overall, because it's the splash plays.

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Speaker 1: You return a fumble for a touchdown, yep, to splash play, right.

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Speaker 2: You have fifteen tackles, you have three tackles for loss,

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Speaker 2: like you all those things cat catch people's attention. And

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the moment with ray Lewis that that was

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Speaker 2: really cool just make I want to remind fans Ravens

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Speaker 2: Wired comes out Wednesday night, and this was one of

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Speaker 2: many many cool moments in this episode of Ravens Wired,

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Speaker 2: which you can watch on YouTube as well as our website.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like ray Lewis is firing up Rokuan

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Speaker 2: in that moment, and like Ray's been around here plenty

547
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Speaker 2: of times, but it's been cool to see him at

548
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Speaker 2: some pretty big like junctures at points this year. Like

549
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Speaker 2: him he went to the Buffalo game, there was that

550
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Speaker 2: point training camp, he came out here and he was

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Speaker 2: like working with the guys on the field.

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Speaker 3: To a certain degree.

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Speaker 2: He's firing up Roquan in the tunnel before taking the

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's been cool to see ray Lewis's impact

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Speaker 2: on this team and just continue building on the legacy

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Speaker 2: that is established here.

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Speaker 1: Well, ray Lewis is key card to get into the

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Speaker 1: building always works. Yes, come on whenever you want, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk the guys, come on out. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's always welcome. Well.

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Speaker 2: I also want to get your take on the guy

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Speaker 2: playing next to Roquan Smith, Teddy Buchanan, the rookie fourth

563
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Speaker 2: round pick. He saw a big snap increase. He basically

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Speaker 2: took that that that job, that starting job next to

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Speaker 2: Roquan Smith. Him and Trenton Simpson shared that mostly week one.

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Speaker 2: Buchanan had an increase in snaps in week two and

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Speaker 2: play the majority there. But he's looked pretty good as

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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick who stepped into a huge role

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Speaker 2: early in this season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I look at the film from Teddy, I

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Speaker 1: just think that he's he's in the right spots, doing

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Speaker 1: the right things. You know. He just he doesn't look

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Speaker 1: like a rookie linebacker who's like his head is spinning

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't know what he's looking at. He's he's

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Speaker 1: doing the right stuff. And now, like when Roquon's next

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Speaker 1: to you, and you see the difference between a veteran

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Speaker 1: pro bowler like Roquon and Teddy, Like Roquan triggers on

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Speaker 1: stuff immediately like he sees it and he immediately pulls

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Speaker 1: the trigger. Teddy like you can see he sees it,

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Speaker 1: but he's not quite as like just you know, quick

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Speaker 1: to trust his instincts and go after it as Roquon is,

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Speaker 1: which is certainly understandable, you know. And I think just

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Speaker 1: from like a hey, your body and physicality like Teddy

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Speaker 1: Teddy's you know, he's taking some mumps in there. He's

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Speaker 1: taking on some big blockers. Who are you know, he's

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Speaker 1: taking some hits. Yeah, and now credit to him, like

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Speaker 1: he's taking on those blockers too, Like he's not shying

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Speaker 1: away from anything. He's he's flying around and he's playing

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Speaker 1: he's playing full tilt. But you know, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: he's doing I think he's doing well. I think for

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Speaker 1: a fourth round rookie stepping into that big a role

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Speaker 1: in a Ravens defense, that's a really tall task.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You don't see any rookies period, even guys who are

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Speaker 1: necessarily first round picks. You've been kind of spoiled. Malchi

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Speaker 1: Starks has been an immediate starter, but like not everybody is.

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Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins was an immediate Week one starter last year,

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Speaker 1: you know, and like to step in it. Inside linebacker

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Speaker 1: is a fourth round rookie who, by the way, only

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Speaker 1: played big times college football for one season at Cow

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Speaker 1: Like that is pretty remarkable, And so I think like

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Speaker 1: Teddy's been a quick learner. He is a hard worker,

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Speaker 1: like he's practiced start all summer long. He's tough guy.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm impressed with what I see. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: like sugarcoat and say, oh my god, he's like going

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Speaker 1: crazy out there. I think he's playing well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the arrow is very much pointing up on

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Speaker 2: him too. Yeah, And like when you compare.

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Speaker 3: It to where he was two years ago, like even before.

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Speaker 1: Gosh you see Davis. Yeah, compared to that, it's a big,

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Speaker 1: big step up in competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so big, big strikes for him over the past

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Speaker 2: two years. And so I think that, like I said,

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Speaker 2: I think the era is pointing up on him for sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And it's encouraging to see him I think holding up. Well,

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Speaker 2: the other guy you mentioned him is Nate Wiggins. So

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Speaker 2: Nate had the big he had the big interception.

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Speaker 1: So sorry, I want to I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: off the inside linebacker train here. Okay about Jake Hummel, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's an inside linebacker.

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Speaker 3: He is an inside linebacker. That's a special teams play.

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Speaker 2: He isn't inside linebacker, but man like really he's a

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Speaker 2: special teamer and he and look with the Ravens signed

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Speaker 2: Jake Humbell this offseason to come in here and elevate

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Speaker 2: the special teams play. And when you get a block

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Speaker 2: punt in your second game, you're elevating the special teams play.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, and so it was encouraging to see that.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was cool going back on the film

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Speaker 1: and and uh, Jake mentioned this after the game, but

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Speaker 1: the first punt the Browns had, he Jake Hummell had

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Speaker 1: a very similar rush to his block punt. It was

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Speaker 1: basically the same rush. He was kind of right over

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Speaker 1: the the long snapper, gets a lane, gets a one

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Speaker 1: on one with the personal protector, and he didn't He

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Speaker 1: didn't make the play, then kind of got blocked to

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Speaker 1: the side of the hunter. And on the fourth punt,

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Speaker 1: you know, they they came back to that same rush

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Speaker 1: and Jake humble did not miss. He just ran through

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Speaker 1: the guy's face and got his hand up and blocked it.

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Speaker 1: So like pretty cool, also a fun a great story

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Speaker 1: for Jake Kumbley. His four month old Sadden was at

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Speaker 1: the game. It was the first game as kid had

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Speaker 1: ever gone to and so got to see daddy, make

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Speaker 1: make the big play. It's just just cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens, like when they were looking this offseason a

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Speaker 2: way to improve the special teams, Jake Kumble was a

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Speaker 2: guy who came on the radar they felt like they

651
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: could bring in as a veteran he could elevate the screen.

652
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think they were surprised to get him

653
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: and like really thrilled that he was released by the Rams.

654
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: He had like the same block punt last year, Like

655
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: it was basically a carbon copy of the play, and

656
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: so like the Ravens are like, all right, sure, well yeah,

657
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: we'll take them. Yeah, And gosh, I mean he said

658
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: injury concerns, had a cut on his hands, fingered and

659
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: like all this stuff.

660
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had he had he had a child, so

661
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: he didn't participate really much of the offseason program at all.

662
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: Then he has his cut on his hand at the

663
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: start of training campan he's not on the field and

664
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: he still got you know, he's still got that thing

665
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: wrapped up out there.

666
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: When he plays, he.

667
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: Blocked the pump with his good hand. Yeah, I don't

668
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: know that would hurt hard. I don't even know the

669
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: severity of the of the cut. But it would hurt horribly.

670
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure to try to block a punt with a

671
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: hand that has a bad cut recovered that you were

672
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 2: still recovering from. So he has that all bandaged up,

673
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: but he blocked it with his good hand. So he

674
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: made sure that yep, yep, exactly all right. So now

675
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: now we go to waas, Yes, Wiggins has the big pick.

676
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Before we break that down and just his game overall.

677
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: I thought an interesting note that Harba made on him

678
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: was was they watched some film together going into that

679
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: game last week, and I thought Nate was was pretty

680
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: good against the Bills, but not as didn't play at

681
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: his absolute best, and so I think he took a

682
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: hard look at ways he could improve. And it comes

683
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: back to like what he said to us on the podcast,

684
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: which is like trusting his technique and sticking to that

685
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: technique and not just trying to play off of instincts,

686
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: which is what he felt like he did too much

687
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: as a rookie, and so I think he did more

688
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: of that in this game, and then he made the

689
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: most of it when he got the interception. Yeah.

690
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: I thought what was notable about his interception was the

691
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: communication aspect of it. Yeah, you know, he's covering the

692
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver kind of deep and then releases him to

693
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton in the deep, deep part of the field,

694
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: and that enabled him to kind of play the ball.

695
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: You know, he's playing in space at that point, and

696
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: then to cut underneath that that Joe Flacco was scrambling

697
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: rolling to his right, run away from Roquan by the way,

698
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: and he'll advise pass. But like just just good communication.

699
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Like you like to see Nate doing the right things,

700
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: not just like, Okay, you're playing on an island, how

701
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: can you match that guy one on one, Which Nate

702
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: has the athleticism to do that if he plays his

703
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: technique right, but like also now playing within the framework

704
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: of the defense and communication to have that kind of

705
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: coverage and then just to make the play. You know,

706
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: we saw Nate drop too many interceptions last year. He

707
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: was kind of chiding himself this offseason for that the missedybortunities,

708
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: and said he wanted to make the most of them.

709
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Get double digit takeaways this year. Hey, get a pick

710
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: in your second game, That's that's pretty darn good. He

711
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: also just like has a thing for picking off the Browns. Yeah,

712
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: what it is Brown's at home. Yes, sign Nate wiggings

713
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: up for a pick.

714
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, put him out for a pick every one of

715
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: those games. The funny thing, too, is I still do

716
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: I still can't believe he didn't score on the play.

717
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: It's always tough.

718
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: When a guy like makes a great play and then

719
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: people start clowning him for like not getting the You're like,

720
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: come on, the guy just had like sixty yard return.

721
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: We're starting to complain about not scoring the touchdown. But like,

722
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: Nate might be the fastest guy on the team pure speed.

723
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: He ran a four to two forty.

724
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how somehow Joel Patonio brought him down at

725
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: the end of that play, like I thought.

726
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: I think Joel Button was like on the ground at

727
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: the start of it too.

728
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: I think he had to get it up And I understand,

729
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: like you, I watched it back on film. There's a

730
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: point where Nate sees green grass and he breaks through

731
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: there and I'm like, oh, he's gone.

732
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tony closing speed. We're gonna have to check

733
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: next gen SATs on Potonio.

734
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he also runs a fourth too.

735
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm not sure his combined forty so anyway, I think

736
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: that like I think Nate Wiggans.

737
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: I've said it before.

738
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: I think he's got He's He was my pick for

739
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: breakout player and to lead the team of picks, and

740
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: I stand by that. I just think that this is

741
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: a guy that like he's gonna make plays this year.

742
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna play at a really high level,

743
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: and I think that he's going to establish himself as

744
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: one of the best corners in football before the season's

745
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: all said and done.

746
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: Yep. So to kind of the flip side of you know,

747
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that on film didn't look as

748
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: great was the run game. Obviously, the Ravens had trouble

749
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: running the ball, which is you don't say that often,

750
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: we don't we don't say that too much on these

751
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: film breakdown podcasts. When I went back and looked at it,

752
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean the Ravens had a math problem on a

753
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: number of those runs. I mean, not enough blockers for

754
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: how many guys were in the box for the Browns.

755
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: And those guys weren't just bystanders in the box. They're

756
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: they're coming down hill and triggering fast like you see

757
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: it on the film, like they I mean, they're just

758
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: run blitzing basically and I think especially it was tough

759
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: not to have Ricard in this game to kind of

760
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: be able to stand up to that pressure immediately. You know,

761
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I think it was a tough assignment for Charlie Kohler.

762
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Tough obviously on the tackles with you know, you got

763
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett on the other side. You have some some

764
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: good defensive players up front. Mason Graham, their first round pick,

765
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: certainly had one good play for a loss of four

766
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: yards where he just kind of knifed into the backfield.

767
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: And I think it was the Ravens need to be

768
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: able to block better than they did. But also, like

769
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: when you see how aggressively the Browns were in terms

770
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: of personnel and just the way that they were playing it,

771
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: you also it's understandable that Ravens had trouble running the ball.

772
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: Look, Jim Schwartz is this is his defense, Like, this

773
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: is the type of aggressive play calling that he is

774
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: known for, and and he creates those math problems. You

775
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: you packed the box to slow down Derrick Henry, and

776
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: you also have maybe the best defensive player in football

777
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: and Miles Garrett, Like it's just gonna be hard to run.

778
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: And I think that feast famine, Like if you crack that,

779
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: Like if you have pat Riccard up there and you

780
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: crack one of those, Yeah, they don't. They don't have

781
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: much in the secondary to slow down Derrick Henry, He's

782
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: gone and uh, or you get one of those tosses outside. Now,

783
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: the Ravens, I thought in the second half they did

784
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: start doing a little bit more outside run more toss

785
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: with Derrick Henry, which had a little bit more success.

786
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: But you get one of those toss on the outside

787
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: and they're run blitzing up the middle, he might he

788
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: might go, and so like it's feast or famine. They

789
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: kind of feasted, you know, they they were able to

790
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: get in the Ravens backfield and really disrupt it. But hey,

791
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: these two teams face off later in the year. Would

792
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: not shock me if Derrick Henry goes off for two

793
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: long touchdowns, Like that's just kind of how it works.

794
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: Right And And honestly, I don't know if this is

795
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: at all part of their game plan going into it,

796
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: but they may have been like, we can't just let

797
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: them bleed us slow all game long with with five

798
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: seven yard runs, like we get it's either shut it

799
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: down or give up the big play like feast. Basically,

800
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: they may have been okay with the feast or famine

801
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: approach because like that would be their best opportunity to

802
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: have success in this game.

803
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: Not sure if that's the case.

804
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: But I just think that's who they are.

805
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that could also just be part of this

806
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: is their identity.

807
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and and and basically like okay, if you

808
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: if if you can't slow down Derrick Henry and you're

809
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: dealing with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, you're in trouble, right,

810
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: give me one or the other. You can't handle both.

811
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: You just can't.

812
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: So try to stop one and just force them to pass,

813
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: and yep, and and see if that see if you

814
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: can live with the results there.

815
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Of course, the most you know, the quarterback with the

816
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: highest passer rating in NFL history. Pass. It doesn't sound good,

817
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: but it might be your best.

818
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. It goes back to what a lot of guys

819
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: are saying last year was just pick your poison.

820
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: And that's what we saw when we're talking about the

821
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: offensive line. Though, I do want to give Roger Rosengarten

822
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: a shout out. He's the only player in the NFL

823
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: to not allow a pressure in at least thirty pass

824
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: pro snaps so far in the whole league. So like,

825
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: from a pass pro standpoint, I think the Ravens are

826
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: doing a pretty darn good job. And give credit where

827
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: credit's due. Rogers had fifty five pass per snaps and

828
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: so like, I think that in year two, Rogers doing

829
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good job.

830
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm encouraged by I think he's just a good player.

831
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: I think that's he's holding up and you want to

832
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: see a little bit. You want to see like the

833
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: run game break free a little bit more than it

834
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: did it on Sunday, But him in that assignment holding

835
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: up well in pass protection I think is good.

836
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: And like you know, Miles Garrett's gonna get some wins,

837
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: like how it is, and he got some of this

838
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: against the Ravens offensive lineman and Ronnie Stanley included, like

839
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: he's the best, he might be the best defensive player

840
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: in the league.

841
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna get his wins.

842
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna win some. So that was part of the

843
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: problem I think for the Ravens in the run game

844
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: and pass pro against the Browns. One thing I do

845
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about is the Ravens wide receivers, and

846
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: we talked about that passing game. I mean, hey, first,

847
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: Devontes Walker, when I go back and watch his two touchdowns,

848
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: this guy's just too fast. He's just too fast for

849
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: defensive backs. I mean it wasn't like you you watch

850
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: his routes and it wasn't like, Okay, he ran a

851
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: decisive route, good play design, you know, particularly on his

852
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: longer touchdown, the second one, but like the first one

853
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: was just a kind of a crosser in the back

854
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: of the end zone. He just ran away from the

855
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: defensive back that was Cameron Mitchell, who by the way,

856
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: ran a four to four to seven at the combine

857
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: camera Mitchell. So like, not a slow guy. Devonte's is

858
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: just too fast for him. You just can't catch up

859
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: to him. He gets a step on you and you

860
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: can't catch up. And then on his long touchdown, same

861
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: same deal. This one's going against Miles Harden and you

862
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: know he got he was a step behind and he's gone. Yeah,

863
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: And so like, I just think you also look at

864
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: the matchups that he's gonna be getting against these defensive backs,

865
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: Like when you have Zay Flowers for Shaan Bateman. Yeah,

866
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins like devontees Walker is gonna get some nice

867
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: matchups in terms of if you're gonna try to go

868
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: which they're not gonna double Devantez Walker, but he's gonna

869
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: get some one on ones against their third or fourth corner. Yeah.

870
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: Okay, well you mentioned the Browns.

871
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: dB ran four four seven, Tez ran four three six

872
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: in the forty so he's got a step on him, he's.

873
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: Got playing speed.

874
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: But what I what I like about this from him

875
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: is like he's he did this a ton of college

876
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: where and they were just like, all right, go run

877
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: nine routes. Just just run deep and we'll throw you

878
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: the ball sometimes and you'll probably make a handful of plays,

879
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: but like that's that's how we're gonna use you. And

880
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: for him to come up with plays in the red

881
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: zone and like get open and more a more condensed

882
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: portion of the field, I think shows development as a

883
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: receiver as a route runner.

884
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Sure, I agree. It wasn't like it wasn't like some

885
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: sudden route from him or like a comeback. I mean,

886
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: it was like a long it was kind of it

887
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: was a crosser in the back of the end zone

888
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: where he just ran through the guy, you know, and

889
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: so like past the guy, I should say, and so

890
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: like that stuff like and we saw that all summer

891
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: him on shallow crossers, deep crossers, all that kind of stuff.

892
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: Tough.

893
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: You just have to when you're when you're maneuvering on

894
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: the end zone, you got to be picking your way

895
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: sometimes exactly, you have to have a little bit more

896
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: of a feel and then just hey, just go run deep,

897
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: show off the speed. And I think that like that

898
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: development from him and then and then you make the

899
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: play when it's there, like he makes the play in

900
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: the back of the end zone, and I think that

901
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: that's encouraging. As we all know, three catches, three touchdowns,

902
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: and like, I mean, if if there's so many weapons

903
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: on this offense, if you're if you're now we're at

904
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: a point where we're talking about Tess Walker and Tylan

905
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: Wallace being guys you got to worry about in the

906
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: end zone. It's like where where does the defensive coordinator

907
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: stop for their planning. There's just like so many guys

908
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: you got to worry about, and so it's encouraging to

909
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: see that from Tes.

910
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: Well. The the interesting thing is, like defensive coordinators are

911
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: not going to spend many hours like planning for devontees Walker,

912
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: it's just not you got the checks is going to

913
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: take up the majority, Derrick Henry Zay, you know, all

914
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: those guys that you're planning for. But then like when

915
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: you you're throwing in a number four three whatever, you

916
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: know between Thailand, Uh, DeAndre Dhap and Devantes three through

917
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: five whatever, they're all making place. However, you want to

918
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: know that game exactly, and so like when you're throwing

919
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: him in there with the as fast as he is,

920
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: with like the tools that he has, Yeah, like that's

921
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: tough to stop because you're not planning for it, and

922
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: they all.

923
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Bring something different. Yeah, that's what's also kind of cool

924
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: about it. They're not the same player.

925
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh they all three right exactly. Tailand's like your possession

926
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: received kind of guy, like very he's just mister reliable.

927
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: I really like Tyler Wallace. I'm glad he the Ravens

928
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: run back and then and then t hop obviously with

929
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: the contested catches. Yeah, there are three very different weapons

930
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: for the Ravens.

931
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: Well.

932
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins has been as advertised am Moore in his

933
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: first two Ravens games, like, I mean, here's a crazy thing.

934
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: He only played ten snaps in this game. Ten snaps,

935
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: two ridiculous catches, one of them for touchdown, one of

936
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: them that it was a touchdown, and then they call

937
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: back down at the half yard line. But like, this

938
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: dude is making ridiculous catches and every time he's on

939
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: the field, now, like you got to worry about is

940
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: this gonna be some sort of ridiculous catch that he

941
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: can make? And I think that, like it doesn't take

942
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: a film expert to understand.

943
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: What's going on with him.

944
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: Done his whole career, He's done his whole career. Throw

945
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: the ball up to him and he goes and makes place.

946
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: And if it's a ball that's in the air and

947
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: he's winning one on one coverage, he's gonna win that

948
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: battle more times than not. What I really like is

949
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: that Lamar Jackson clearly trust him already, like he is

950
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: given him opportunities on that play that was initially a

951
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: touchdown that was wiped off, like Lamar saw one on

952
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: one coverage between d Hop and the defender and was like,

953
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give my guy an opportunity to make

954
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: a play.

955
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: By the way, ridiculous play by Lamar Jackson there, Yeah,

956
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's like scrambling around in the backfield. I

957
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: mean it was like a classic Lamar play of him

958
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: making something out of nothing. Scrambled around, scrambled around on

959
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the move. What was it at some yard pass? Yeah,

960
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean ridiculous forty one yard pass on the move,

961
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: just like flicks it balls on the money. Yeah. And

962
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: again credit to de hot for making the play. I mean,

963
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: defensive back played it as well as he could. But

964
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: like great throw, great catch, Yeah, ridiculous play. Dee hops

965
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: caught four balls this year, three for touchdowns and that's right.

966
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I said three for touchdowns because that one should have

967
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: been a touchdown and the.

968
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Other one too, Like the one catcher not mentioning was

969
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: critical moment third and ten on that final drive in Buffalo.

970
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: That wasn't like a big play, but it just showed

971
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: the big moment, like he's on the field, he got

972
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: the ball and the biggest play of that game.

973
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 1: Yep.

974
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: So like this is what this is kind of best

975
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: case scenario I think for what we would have hoped

976
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins would be when the Ravens signed him. Yeah,

977
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: a guy that can show up in big moments, contested catches,

978
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: be a red zone threat, but not just I mean

979
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: he's catching the ball fifty yard bombs, forty our bombs.

980
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: It's not just the red zone threat. He's an end

981
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: zone target and someone that Lamar Jackson trust. He's all

982
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: of those things.

983
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: Now, the conversation that's spinning out of all of this

984
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, you have all these weapons, d hops

985
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: only getting ten snaps. Mark Andrews has really not had

986
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: a big impact through the first two games at all,

987
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: nor is Charlie Kohler from a receiving standpoint, Like, you

988
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: have these like star players who just starn't having a

989
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: huge impact yet.

990
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of have the conversation in training camp,

991
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: like who could be the odd man out with DeAndre Hopkins' arrival.

992
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: So far it's been Mark Andrews and Rashad Bateman. From

993
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: a production standpoint, those guys haven't put up big numbers.

994
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: I think John Harball was asked about it, and I

995
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: actually thought his answer was a pretty honest answer. He's like, basically,

996
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: it's two games. If there were six games into the season,

997
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: and this is the posture for the tight ends at

998
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: that point, Like, let's have a conversation at that point. Yeah,

999
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: but it's two games, and honestly, you go back last year,

1000
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: it was a similar conversation with Mark Andrews early in

1001
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: the season ends up leading all tight ends and touchdowns

1002
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: last year.

1003
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: So like, I'm not going to overreact.

1004
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised, if I'm being honest with Andrews

1005
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: because Isaiah likely it's not on the field right now,

1006
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: and so I would not have predicted the stat line

1007
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: for him after two games. But I also if he's

1008
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: able to hold onto that ball in the end zone,

1009
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: which Grant Delpit popped out and made a really nice

1010
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: play on, it's kind of a different conversation today. No

1011
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: one's talking about how it's been a quiet start to

1012
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: the season for Andrews because he had a touchdown on

1013
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: that play. Like, that's the margin that we're talking about.

1014
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: So I'm not like pushing the panic button or necessarily

1015
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: thinking that this is a sign of things to come.

1016
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to the pick your point

1017
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: and who are you prepping for, and Lamar Jackson spreads

1018
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: the ball around whoever's open, and that's how this offense

1019
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: is built to run.

1020
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I do think that the Ravens offense certainly

1021
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: once Isaiah likely is on the field. He returned to

1022
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: practice last Friday, so I would think he has a chance,

1023
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: certainly to play Monday night against the Detroit Lions. That

1024
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: adds another weapon. I mean you talk about yards after

1025
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: catch all that Isaiah likely brings, Like, this offense gets

1026
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: another another piece of the puzzle, which now it's like,

1027
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, okay, yeah, another mouth to feed in

1028
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: this offense. We already have too many thousands to feed

1029
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: in air quotes, you can ever have too many. But like,

1030
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna make this offense even more dynamic.

1031
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I think Mark he I'm sure once that touchdown that

1032
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: got popped out of his hands back like you know,

1033
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: he's got to protect that ball, get down to the

1034
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: turf and that probably doesn't get punched out, you know.

1035
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: But like Mark knows that, Mark's gonna be fine. I'm

1036
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: not worried about Mark. He's gonna he's gonna score. He's

1037
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna get his and score and you know, his days

1038
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: of being the latest Ravens leading wide receiver are probably

1039
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: done at this point. You know, Zay Flowers is going

1040
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: to be the ra Ravens leading receiver. He's awesome, He's

1041
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: in the prime of his career, But like, is Mark

1042
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: Andrews gonna make some big clutch plays for this team

1043
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: and catch a bunch of balls and touchdowns. Yep, yep,

1044
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: don't doubt it.

1045
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: Totally agree with that.

1046
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: So and I think that there's just there's so many

1047
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: weapons on this offense that it's it can be a

1048
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: different guy every week. When we were going into the

1049
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: game against Cleveland, I don't think we mentioned devontees Walker

1050
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: going into that game on our preview podcast, or maybe

1051
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 2: even Tiland. Wall scores two touchdowns, t has had two touchdowns,

1052
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Tiland had another, So like it can be a different

1053
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: guy any week, and I think that's what makes his

1054
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: team in this offense so dangerous.

1055
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: So, as always, we'd love to hear from you.

1056
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot

1057
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: net let us know your thoughts with this game coming

1058
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: up against the Detroit Lions on Thank you so much

1059
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: for listening, and we'll be back with you later this week.