1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about George High this week, 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: the mixed bag that is George High. Yeah, he's a 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: mixed bag, as I said, but I have fun things 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: to start with. So early on in talking about George High, 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: we talked about his senior thesis being about organic oils 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: used as lubricants. 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: One of the. 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Things that George and his collaborator Paul did as part 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: of their tests, and I am doing the air quotes, 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: was to lightly coat the inside of a growler keg 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: with oil and fill it. And they realized that when 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: they did this, they could fill the keg with more 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: beer because it didn't get as sudsy okay, And they 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: apparently ran this test a lot okay. So I love 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: the idea that these these two college seniors had figured 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: out a way to game the keg system. It sounds 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: very very much in line with the way you would 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: think that two college students would operate, but I liked 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: that they applied science to do it. There is also 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: a funny question mark right up about his wife Blanche, 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: as all of the bad press was happening during their divorce. 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Blanche really did like smoking, like there's there's obviously smoking 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: is bad, don't smoke. But like they were they were 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: noting how much she spent on cigars and and cigarettes 27 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: as like this big gotcha thing, and she there's one 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: article where it's a picture of her and she's talking 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: about how smoking seems perfectly delightful and sensible. She'd only 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: started doing it recently, but to her, the reason that 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: you should smoke is that it's the polite thing to do. 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Because you're in someone's home and they offer you, okay, 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: such a thing, you should always take it. You're just 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: being polite. And I'm like, uh, that is a At 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the time, I'm sure it seemed very interesting and delightful 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: and exactly in line with social morase. But today it's 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: like reading that, I was like, that's not polite. One 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: of the other things that came up that was just 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: like a weird factoid, yeah, was that after George's death, 40 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: like that period between when he passed and when the 41 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Smithsonian acquired the museum was really fraud like they were 42 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: there was a lot of fancy footwork going on to 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: keep the finances to a point where they could keep 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: it existing at all. I keep the collection together. And 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: one of the things that they did that almost happened 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: was that ross Perrot might have been a potential buyer. 47 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: What on the one deal point that the collection would 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: have to move to Texas. Okay, which of course was 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: in George's will, that they couldn't right, at least a 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: significant part of it had to stay in New York 51 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: because I wanted to serve New Yorkers. Granted, rich white 52 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: businessman new Yorkers. But yeah, so that fell apart. I 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: have absolutely zero surprise with the idea that if Rossboro 54 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: was gonna buy it, it had to be to Texas. Yeah, 55 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: none whatsoever. But what a weird, strange thing. You and 56 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I had talked about a little bit, like the legislation 57 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: about repatriation. So we've talked about NAGRA, the Native American 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. I might have gotten some 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: of those letters mixed up. We've talked about a number 60 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: of different episodes, most recently on On Earth we talked 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: about the new final rule on how it's to be 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: implemented in all of that if I realized that nagra 63 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: didn't apply to the Smithsonian, that didn't stick into my head. 64 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: Well, I have more information for you. 65 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I know, there's different legislation. That's the legislation 66 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: when they bought it, like that that this other legislation 67 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: applies to the Smithsonian. 68 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: You go ahead. 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Though my understanding reading about that legislation was that that 70 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: was part of what catalyzed NAGPRA. Oh really, and so 71 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a matter of, like Smithsonian has this 72 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: this setup already, uh huh, we need to legislate to 73 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: make sure other museums kind of fall under it. So 74 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's a case where the language 75 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: of it excluded the Smithsonian just because it seemed like 76 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: they were already on top of it, uh huh, or 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: for some other reason. I haven't read through that legislation 78 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: closely in a long time. I can see it potentially 79 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: causing confusion or problems. Oh yeah, if newly written legislation 80 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: applied to the SMITHSONI that already had specific legislation about 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: the same subject. I have not been to the museum. 82 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: So there's still a Museum of the American Indian in 83 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: New York that's still there. I did not know until 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: this episode why that was, because if you've been to, 85 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: like that's where all the Smithsonians are, and that is 86 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: where there is a museum of the American Indian that 87 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: I've been to a couple of times, and I did not. 88 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: I was always like, that's weird that there's also another 89 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: one in New York. And that's why we've just talked about. Yes, now, 90 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, I will say at this point, and I'm 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: just going to say, I know there are people who 92 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 1: were at the end of their patients before I was born, 93 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: but it for me, having worked on this podcast now 94 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: for eleven years almost I'm just like super at the 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: end of my patients regarding museums and their repatriations, and 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm just like, give it back. And I have very little, uh. 97 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: Flexibility in that. 98 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, if if if a colonized people who were 99 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: subjected to an attempt of genocide says that's ours, give 100 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: it back, then give it back. And I have no, 101 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: like really no arguments of like, oh but our study, 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't give it back. It wasn't yours. 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: Give it back, right, And also some of the things 104 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: that we talk about on on Earth that are like 105 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: new research that's being done and it's like unclear whether 106 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: there's permission involved of like the indigenous people whose history 107 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: this is about. Sometimes, you know, we'll get emails hoop 108 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: from folks who are like, well, yeah, the the researchers 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: have a plan to give this nation everything once they're 110 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: done with this research, and I'm like, well, but this nation, 111 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I might want that to stay in the ground, right, 112 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's my frustration with all of this. Yeah, 113 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: we might get angry letters from museum curators and anthropologists 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: and I'm still like, like, we had guests on the 115 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: show some years ago from the Peabody Museum of Archaeology 116 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: and Ethnology, and this was a great They were very 117 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: kind to us, they were generous with their time and 118 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: all of that. And then it has seemed like in 119 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the years since we did this, there's just been a 120 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: series of horrors and announcements about things in the Peaberty 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Museum's collection. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm so tired of this. Yeah, 122 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: it's stopped doing it and give it back. Yeah, It's 123 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: really interesting. It's one of those things. I this is 124 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: an exception to one of my personal life rules. Huh, 125 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: because I have a personal rule to never tell anybody 126 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: else how to do their job, okay, because it happens 127 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: to us all the time. I have everybody where some 128 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: random person who doesn't understand the way like somebody's industry works, 129 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: who is like, you could just do this, and it's 130 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: like no, yeah, I also find this very frustrating. 131 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: So I, like I said, I have a personal rule. 132 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't presume I know more than like you know 133 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: any anybody, but like, you know, you see it a 134 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: lot in fandoms of various flavors where they think like 135 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: my favorite entertainer should just do this, or they should 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: or this movie should have done this, and I'm just like, 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: none of you have the right to do this, or 138 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: they'll get like the imagined backstory that a person has made, 139 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: what do you think is happening? But it doesn't actually 140 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: have to do with that person's work reality at all, 141 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But this is the one place where 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, Nope, yeah, this is a problem you especially 143 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: because when you read about many of these it's like, uh, 144 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: there's no urgency, yeah, you know what I mean, Like 145 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: a repatriation request has been made by a nation or 146 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: a people, and then it seems like that gets taken 147 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: in and there's an initial statement given about like we're 148 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: working on this project, and then it's. 149 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: Like years go by. 150 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: Buck. I'm like, yeah, I understand you have a lot 151 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: of things going on, but surely righting or wrong of 152 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: this magnitude would get pushed to the top of the list. 153 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: So maybe I'm I'm wrong and I'm being completely contradictory 154 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: in my own policy, but this is the one space 155 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: where I feel like, no, I'm with you. 156 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: Give it back. 157 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: There's stuff, Oh, you stole my thing because you want 158 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: to study it. Neat, it's still my thing. 159 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: Give it back. 160 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you simplify it that way, and and 161 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, let's say for the sake of argument, it's 162 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: some random possession of a person that they love or 163 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: has meaning to them and someone just took and they're like, no, 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna study it. And it's like, well, yeah, 165 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: but you stole it, right, Like this would be an 166 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: open and shutcase. Yeah. Well, and some of the like 167 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: this is this is why that so much work was 168 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: done to like reissue this new the new rule about nagra, 169 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: which again does not apply to the Smithsonian with this 170 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: whole episode is about Smithsonian. But like one of the 171 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: reason was that there were so many loopholes and so 172 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: many things that museums could do to be like, oh, 173 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: we're evaluating this and like not actually take action. And 174 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: some of the things that would come up as reasons 175 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: to not repatriate things were actually dealt with in the legislation. 176 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Like sometimes, especially when we're talking about like human remains 177 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: from very very long ago, there might be more than 178 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: one nation that feels a tie to this these remains, right, Uh, 179 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: there was already language. 180 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: About how to deal with that. 181 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: Uh. But sometimes the response would be sort of like, well, 182 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: there's two different we don't know what to do. We'll 183 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: just keep it. And I'm so I'm very tired of it. 184 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Do you want to shift gears to a history mystery 185 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: that's let's do that. It's gossiping, because I feel like 186 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm just ranting now, and a rant that's gonna upset people. 187 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: This won't upset people. I don't think, Oh, it's like 188 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: I said, it's gossip. So this is very interesting because 189 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I ran into this weird stumbling block where I was 190 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: I knew George High had been married three times, and 191 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: I was trying to find information about his third wife 192 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: because Blanche obviously is documented. Thea is pretty well documented 193 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: because she was so involved with his work and was 194 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: really like a collaborator. His last wife is like this 195 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: blip and I'm like, okay, but who was she? Where 196 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: was she from? 197 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: What is this? 198 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: And like part of the problem I think is that 199 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: there may have been some confusion and maybe a cover. 200 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: Up about their relationship. 201 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Ship who because in that nineteen fifty eight biography we 202 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: read several passages from by Mason, who was a friend 203 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: and like new George High personally, he mentions that his 204 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: third wife was Jessica Peeble's Standing, Okay, And I'm like, okay, 205 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: I'll look for that name. 206 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: Now. 207 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: It's possible too that he just got some things conflated 208 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: or wrong, because when I started looking for variations of 209 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: the name Jessica Peebles, Jessica's Standing, Jesse Standing, et cetera, 210 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: I found several news articles that list her as George's sister, okay, 211 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: including one that is from the Los Angeles Times when 212 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: he is out in LA and it says doctor George G. 213 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: Hih and his sister missus Jay standing were among the 214 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Easterner sojourning at the El Mirador Hotel, having a dinner dance, 215 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, was he traveling with the woman he 216 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: was romantically involved with and just telling people it was 217 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: his sister because yuck, for a variety of reasons, like 218 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I think about divorce 219 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: ranches where they would be kind of doing a similar thing, 220 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: but they would go a little farther removed than a sibling, 221 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: So like, there's just something really icky about it. Or 222 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: did he have a sister that was I don't know, 223 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: It's unclear to me. I never found enough info. Maybe 224 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: his sister was married to someone related to this part. 225 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, but I was like, this woman 226 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: is a bit of a mystery and she kind of 227 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: vanishes in after the Nevada divorce ranch time. Yeah wow George, Wow. 228 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: And he was quite you know, he was he was 229 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: on in years at that point. So part of me 230 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: wonders if she, who was a good bit younger than him, 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: maybe married him thinking she would get financial gain out 232 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: of it and then found him to be a work 233 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: obsessed pain in the neck and was like not worth it. 234 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. There's not a good marriage anyway. 235 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: That's our gossipy history mystery. What was the scoop with 236 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: George and Jesse? Why was someone who sounds like her 237 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: being introduced as his sister? Damn anyway, anyway, George, high 238 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: you complicated thing. The other thing I didn't put in 239 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: the outline, but I mentioned it to you off handedly, 240 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: is that and because I couldn't corroborate it obviously, was 241 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: that he apparently would tell his chauffeur that he wanted 242 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: to drive and he was a very reckless driver and 243 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: it scared everyone. And sometimes this has been mentioned in 244 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: articles where it's like, oh, he's a wacky, flamboyant, rich guy, 245 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: collected a lot of cool stuff, and it's like that 246 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: could kill people. I don't I'm not into that. I 247 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm just too This is the one 248 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: place where I'm I play a very safe but yeah, 249 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: drive responsibly and be careful with traffic. Anyway. This week 250 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: on the show, we talked about Maria Arosa and Banana Ketchup. 251 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: I have a number of stories to tell with for 252 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: this episode. The first one is because Banana Ketchup is 253 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: the thing that she's just I think most associated with today. 254 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: And banana ketchup also a thing that has a place 255 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: in the hearts of a lot of people from the Philippines, 256 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: or a lot of people who are like Filipino American 257 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: or you know, have family who are from there importance 258 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: of banana ketchup. I want to see what banana ketchup 259 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: was like. And so I had a whole plan where 260 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I was going to get on the train and I 261 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: was going to go down to h Mart and buy 262 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: some banana ketchup. Turns out our commuter rail was being 263 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: replaced by shuttles over the weekend, so I made a 264 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: different plan, which was to a different place called Super 265 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: eighty eight in Malden, Massachusetts. And in addition to buying 266 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: banana ketchup at Super eighty eight, I bought like two 267 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: big bags full of other stuff. Yeah, some of which 268 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: was stuff that we legitimately needed, and some of it 269 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: was just stuff that I like, I know, we like 270 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: and we haven't had in a while, or stuff that 271 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: just looked good. So the variety of banana ketchup that 272 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: I bought was labeled spicy, which I didn't notice when 273 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: I got it, and I don't know offhand if there 274 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: was also a regular version Dear there on the shelf. 275 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: If there had been, I would have bought them both 276 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: and compared this spicy. And though I really liked a lot, 277 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: I was a little concerned when I saw the ingredients 278 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: on it because one of the ingredients was artificial banana flavoring. 279 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, my dentist the the 280 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: thing they would use to topically numb your mouth before 281 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: giving you novacane for a procedure, oh, was fake banana flavored, 282 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, is this is this gonna? 283 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: It did add it did not have fake banana flavor, 284 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: and it really didn't have anything that I would describe 285 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: as like cavendish banana flavor. We said in the in 286 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: the episode that the bananas that Maria Rosa was using 287 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: were saba bananas, which are like a denser, a more 288 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: flavorful banana. I think, so this to me had a 289 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: sweeter flavor than tomato ketchup. 290 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Okay, that was the first question. 291 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: The banana element, to me was closer to like a 292 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: green banana, like an unripe cavendish banana, than like a 293 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: bright yellow cavendish banana from an American grocery store, gotcha. 294 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: And it also had a tanginess that I really like, 295 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: and of course spicy, with a spicy level that I 296 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: would say about as spicy as se roches sauce, which 297 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: I know these are too totally different, two totally different sauces, 298 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: but like that was to a comparable spicy level to me. 299 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: And I ate that on some skylet potatoes that Patrick made, 300 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: and I ate it on some French fries that I 301 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: got with my dinner, and then Patrick used it last 302 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: night in a sauce for what he made for dinner. 303 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: All of these things were very good. I was very 304 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: into it. It is thicker and more gelatinous than tomato ketchup, 305 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: the one that we got. Anyway, how would you compare 306 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: it to the flavor, because this is a thing I 307 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: have never had. Did you compare it to like the 308 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: flavor of like a plantain? Maybe some plantain similarities. It's 309 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: hard for me to conceptualize because most of the plantains 310 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: I have eaten have been fried, right, which is just 311 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: a very different mouth feel, right of the thoughts, But yeah, 312 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was very tasty. Patrick was also very 313 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: into it. Patrick actually lived in Manila for a month 314 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: when we were first I remember, and he does. He 315 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: does not remember having any banana ketchup while he was there. 316 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: I think it's possible that, like that there were bottles 317 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: of banana ketchup in restaurants and things that he didn't 318 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: necessarily notice that that was what he was getting. But anyway, 319 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: I was very into the banana ketchup. I did not 320 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: try to make any Filipino spaghetti, but everything about the 321 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: Filipino spaghetti recipes that I have seen, I'm like, all, 322 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm on board with all of this. So at some 323 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: point in the future, there may be a little Filipino 324 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: spaghetti experiment at my house. 325 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: I love an experiment. 326 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: I love a food experiment. One of the things that 327 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: tickled me at the very beginning of this episode, and 328 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: it tickles me only because it has come up in 329 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: my brain a lot lately, is when you were mentioning 330 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of overlap with other stuff we 331 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: have done. Oh yeah, and I feel like we have 332 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: reached a point where we have done, you know, more 333 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: than ten years of this of just us. It's almost 334 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: impossible anymore to find a topic that doesn't interlock with 335 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: other stuff we've talked about. I'm sure there are some 336 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: out there, but in a way, I kind of love 337 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: it because we're putting together. I have often talked with 338 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: people talk about like how we put episodes together, Like 339 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: when we're doing live shows or whatever, that's a question 340 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: we get a lot about how. To me, it's almost like, 341 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: you know, shaking up a puzzle box and throwing it 342 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: on the table and then you figure out how the 343 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: pieces fit together. But I feel like I'm kind of 344 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: a meta version of it, and the bigger level of 345 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: world history, we're doing this same thing with all of 346 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: the episodes we do, where we're seeing all of the 347 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: connections in nexus points throughout history, and I just like it. 348 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: That's all. 349 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was writing the introduction to the episode, 350 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: originally I was naming the prior episodes that this seemed 351 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: particularly closely connected to. And then the intro was so 352 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: long that I was like, this episode is already trending 353 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: toward the longer side. I got to take some of 354 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: this out. We don't need to name all of the 355 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: past episodes. 356 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's. 357 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: It grows and grows. So the other little adventure I 358 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: had was a telephone adventure. So we mentioned that this 359 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: collection of her recipes was published first back in nineteen 360 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: seventy with a niece spearheading all of this, and I 361 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: had a scan of what I think was the nineteen 362 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: ninety eight reprint of that gotcha. I went to try 363 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: to find the twenty twenty, the fiftieth anniversary one, so 364 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: that is called Appetite for Freedom, the Recipes of Maria 365 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Lyle Rosa, and I did not get a copy of 366 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: this book. I was not finding number one note ebook 367 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: of it, no like US seller that seemed to have it. 368 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: I looked in WorldCat, and when I first looked in WorldCat, 369 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: there were three libraries in the United States that had 370 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: a copy of this book. In a weird coincidence, when 371 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: the weekend passed and I came to work on Monday 372 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: for the next step of this story, and I went 373 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: back to WorldCat, there were four copies of this in 374 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: libraries in the un United States, one of them not 375 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: processed enough to be able to check it out yet. 376 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: So when I first loked at the three libraries in 377 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: the United States that had copies of this book were 378 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: the Library of Congress, Yale University, and Moral Memorial Library 379 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: in Norwood, Massachusetts. Wildly enough, that library is part of 380 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: the minute Man Library Network, which is one of the 381 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: library cards I have. 382 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: So I could have. 383 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: Requested a copy of this book and had it delivered 384 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: to a branch that's actually close to me. Norwood is 385 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: not Norwood is like an hour in the car, two 386 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: hours on trains from my house, and it was if 387 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I had requested it, it would not have arrived in time 388 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: for me to still do the episode. I would have 389 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: had to find something else to talk about and move 390 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: this one until later. So I called the library and 391 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: I talked to the reference librarian because I was like, hey, 392 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: there's at that like four there's four copies of this 393 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: book in the United States in libraries, and one of 394 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: them is your library. Do you know if there's a 395 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: story there, like is there maybe a book plate inside 396 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: saying that somebody donated it to the library. And this 397 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: very gracious reference library and put me on hold and 398 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: went to the shelf and looked at it for me, 399 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: and there was not a book plate in it, but 400 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: there was a handwritten note saying that it had been 401 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: a gift to the library. So I am assuming that 402 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: there is someone locally to Norwood, who either has connections 403 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: to the family, connections to her an interest in the Philippines. 404 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: Is Filipino interested in Philippine some reason, you have donated 405 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: this book to the library. I don't know what that interested. 406 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: That reason is bless this librarian for humoring my curiosity 407 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: to go look at a book on the shelf for me. 408 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for doing that. I'm curious about 409 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: what the story is there. And I don't know. 410 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: They may also just be like a foodie totally. 411 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: That's the thing that yeah, or I know from my 412 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: days of working in libraries that cookbooks are one of 413 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: those things that can often appreciate in value in a 414 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: case that other books may not because most of them 415 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: get kind of trashed because there's them covered in you know, 416 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: drips of broth and flower smears and butter and whatnot. 417 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: Some of in my head, it's possible that someone maybe 418 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: had had it as part of a collection and then 419 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there was there are also, like there 420 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: are folks who have a particul killer interest in something 421 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: who sometimes will leave their local library in their will 422 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: money to do something with. And I don't remember which 423 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: episode it was, but there was an episode that we 424 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: did that involved an artist, and it was not as 425 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: uncommon in this book which you know, four copies according 426 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: to WorldCat in American libraries, but it was one that 427 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: did not have many copies. But there was one in 428 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: my actual local branch that I was able to just 429 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: go walk down there and pick up. And it had 430 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: a book plate in the front that it had been 431 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: paid for by somebody who had, you know, been local 432 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: to the town where I live, who had specifically left 433 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: money in their will to the library to acquire art books. 434 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: And I was like, I love this. I love this whole. 435 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: The fact that somebody felt move to do that in 436 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: their will I really liked. So. Yeah, if people want 437 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: more catch up history, there is an episode of the 438 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: podcast Sabas that is all about ketchup. I think it's 439 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: from about a year ago. I did listen to it 440 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: when it first came out. I did not re listen 441 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: to it when writing the ketchup part of this. Uh 442 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: this episode, Yeah, it made me think about all the 443 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: wild flavors or the not flavors, the wild colors of ketchup, yeah, 444 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: that have been tried by Hines. Yeah, green ketchup not 445 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: made from green tomatoes just green ketchup. Yeah. I also 446 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: found reference to Hines actually doing a banana ketchup at 447 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: one point, and I did not. I was like, when 448 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: exactly was this and where? So yeah, I also love 449 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: tomato ketchup. I will just say that, uh ketchup, tomato 450 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: ketchup on some really good French fries I'm excited about. No, 451 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: not for you. 452 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't hate it. 453 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm like that, but I just doesn't 454 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: do a lot for me. I'm like, can we mix 455 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: this with some manaise? Please? 456 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Could we? Which? 457 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: I bet banana ketchup mixed with mayonnaise might be interesting. 458 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Banana ketchup sounds more interesting to me because I do 459 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: not care for tomatoes. Okay, it does not taste like 460 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: tomatoes at all, so right, and really tomatoes and the 461 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: one that I got really tomato ketchup doesn't really taste 462 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: like tomatoes, but not very much anyway. But yeah, I 463 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: am not I'm not a big tomato anything person. So yeah, 464 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: I eat them because they're good for me, but I 465 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: don't like them and I'm not gonna choose it as 466 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: a condiment. 467 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: That's fine. 468 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Banana ketchup, I will take your little ketchup packets the 469 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: next time we are traveling together. Oh, this is this 470 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: is dangerous. I'm going to just bring you a suitcase 471 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: full and I have a suitcase of leftover ketchup packets 472 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: from Holly. Speaking of traveling, Yes, we do have two 473 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: things coming up. One is a live show yeah in Indianapolis, 474 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: which I should have opened anything about the details of this, 475 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: I have them handy great. That is going to be 476 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: on July nineteenth, which is a Friday, at the Eugene 477 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: and Maryland Glick Indiana History Center. It starts at seven 478 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: point thirty. We are also offering a version of the ticket. 479 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: You can just get a ticket for the show, or 480 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: you can get a ticket where you can do a 481 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: meet and greet with us beforehand. You can get more 482 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: information about that at Indianahistory dot org slash events. 483 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 484 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: And then the other travel is a little bit farther 485 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: down the road and farther away from us, yes, which 486 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: is that in November we are going to Iceland. So 487 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: excited another group trip for listeners of the show. That 488 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: is November two through eighth, twenty twenty four. There is 489 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: also an optional add on to that that includes an 490 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: attempt to see the Northern lights, which we may see 491 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: the northern lights during the regular trip, but this is 492 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: sort of like a northern lights chasing event and I 493 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: think also a whale watch. Yes, so those are things 494 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: that can be added on, so you can find out 495 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: about that trip at Defined Destinations dot com. We are 496 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: very excited about that, so you'll probably hear it again. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: So Happy Friday. Whatever's happening on your weekend. I hope 498 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: it's great. If you love banana ketchup, I hope you 499 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: have access to it where you live and you know 500 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: that you can make delicious things to eat with it. 501 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: You can expect a Saturday Classic from US tomorrow and 502 00:30:53,720 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: something brand new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History 503 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 504 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 505 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.