WEBVTT - Smile 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.600 Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.120 Jersey too. This is stuff you should know. What in 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.360 the world is that I'm smiling from a year grinning 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.640 and when I grin, my teeth come together look a 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:29.840 bear trap. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.479 Well, if you're smiling, I bet it's because we are 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.280 headed out to see everybody hm on a five nights 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:42.360 adults only rare voyage with Virgin Voyages. This is October 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.320 second through seventh, from New York City to Bermuda. We 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.400 will be doing our live show and we will be 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.400 joined by our colleagues and our old pals. Stuff they 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.519 don't want you to know and stuff Mom never told you. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.280 That's right. So we are going to be there from 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.800 October second to seventh. I'm going to be on that 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.200 boat to Bermuda from New York and back. And you 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.200 can get more information where Chuck. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.400 At Virgin Voyages dot com slash stuff. Come on hang 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.479 out with us on a boat. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.840 Very nice. Yeah, I think we should specify you shouldn't 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.160 expect to be able to get runner with us because 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.400 you know we're happily married. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.399 Yeah, that's right, And what happens at sea doesn't just 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.479 stay at sea. That travels back home and you get divorced. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.200 That's right. Yeah, and you have to go to the 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.280 doctor sometimes too. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.640 Yeah, you don't want that. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.160 So we're talking today about smiling. I think it's appropriate 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.920 that I said I'm happily married because you me actually 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.760 requested this so long ago that when I went to 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.240 her last week and was like, do you remember what 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.080 prompted you to request smiling a long time ago? And 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.000 she's like, I don't remember requesting smiling. So yeah, it'll 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.360 forever be a mystery. But I'm glad that we're doing 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.600 this one because we've done like all sorts of other 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:06.000 stuff laughing discuss the scream forgiveness, Like there's just this 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:11.200 whole like aspect of human personality. Sweet that is just 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.520 kind of slowly assembling into one great person, you know. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:15.720 That's right. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.280 And we did an episode in the early days, I 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.160 think when we were but three years old, we were 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.639 podcast toddlers, Yeah, on whether or not smiling makes you happy. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.000 So we're gonna recover a bit of that toward the end. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.240 Little but we should probably start out by letting everyone 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.040 know that you use muscles when you smile. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.240 It is all muscle movement. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.560 And if you want to compare a smile to like 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.960 other dumb, boring muscles, the reason you can smile and 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.000 make like weird kind of faces just because you have 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.560 a lot of fast twitch myosin fibers in your face. Yeah, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.239 and that's why you can. Like, that's why you can't 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.840 make a face with your bicep. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.680 I kind of can. It looks like a messed up face, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.079 but it's still somebody. It would be like, I see 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.000 the face in there. It looks a little like mister Bill. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.400 Now you can make a kick drum beat when you 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:06.440 flex those babies. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.120 That's with my other one, So like I make mister 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.040 Bill's mouth open and close to the kick drum beat 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.160 from my other bicep. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.000 But how do we compare to our primate friends? 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.480 Oh? Well, actually, it turns out, Chuck, I thought this 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.040 was quite interesting that our primates are actually our primate 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:30.600 friends are actually more expressive facially because they don't speak. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:31.680 That's right, that's. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.120 The idea behind the whole thing. We do know that 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.120 primates typically are more expressive through their faces than humans are, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.000 and that the idea behind it, or the explanation for 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:45.160 it is that humans require more slow twitch muscles, the 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.640 bigger muscles to talk, to move our faces in our 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.240 mouths to talk, which primates don't have to do. So 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:58.240 we essentially, basically our fast twitch muscles evolved into more 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.400 slow twitch muscles. But we're still pretty expressive. So don't 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:03.080 be too sad. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:04.560 Yeah, for sure. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.520 If you've ever you know, heard people say it takes 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.680 more muscles to frown than it does to smile, first 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.480 of all, lightly slap that person in the face with 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.600 a feather. Next, move along and say, you know what, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.760 prove it because I looked and I couldn't. You know, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:23.960 first of all, it's a very nuanced thing, like there 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.360 are a lot of different smiles and a lot of 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.920 different frowns. Yeah, that's a big point, and each of 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.039 those different ones, like you know, takes different muscles to 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.520 make those. So for someone just to sort of flatly say, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.680 you know, it takes twenty two muscles to smile and 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.760 a hundred to frown, right, that's I can't couldn't find 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.560 anything that could verify that is true. Or like I 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.880 guess the message that they're sending is don't use your muscles. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.760 It's better to not use your muscles. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.080 Right, Why bother just smile? Yeah, it's funny. I looked 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.440 all over too, and all I could find were dentists' websites, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.479 which were pretty pretty competent about that as. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.640 Right back, Well, four out of five work. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.080 But you said that your you're that was great? Uh? 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.039 You said that your your smiles all include muscles, and 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.000 not just yours, chuck, but all people's. That's right, and 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.560 it includes a very particular muscle, I think one on 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:25.960 each side, the zygomaticus major. These actually pull your your 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.719 the sides of your mouth up. So I guess the 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.200 joker when his face was slashed, it somehow made his 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:39.520 zygomatic kiss major constantly contracted. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:40.400 That's right. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.880 I just want to say, I'm not sure what's wrong 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.359 with me right now. I realize that I'm stammering and 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.360 having a lot of trouble. Hopefully my brain will reset 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:50.599 while you're talking next. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.360 Now I have but noticing that I think you're doing great. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.840 So there are actual people who and boy, they've done 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.840 a lot of research on smiling and stuff. As we go, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.160 like you'll probably be at how much time and money 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.160 people have put into this kind of thing. But they 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.160 have done research and actually sort of like coded the 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.359 face and the system of muscles, so they know like 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.080 what each group does, the facial action coding system what 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.400 it's called the facts, just the facts. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:20.520 I'm going with faces. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.479 Yeah, they couldn't come up with a knee. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:26.600 I think it's implied. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.400 Okay, I'm gonna go with just the faces then. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:30.760 Okay. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.800 So they, like I said, they made various codes for 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.160 these muscle movements and assign like names to them. And 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.119 they know that all smiles involve action unit twelve, which 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.919 is both of those zygomaticus major muscles contracting, and you 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.520 know you said, they raise them up or they also 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.240 raise them out because you'll see, when you smile your smile, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.360 your mouth gets wider as well. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.960 And the whole world smiles with you. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:55.279 That's right. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.760 But if you're really happy and you're not, and we'll 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.359 talk about the different kinds of smiles, like including fake smiles, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.120 but if you're really genuinely happy with something and smiling 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.760 from joy or you know, being alive, that means your 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.040 eyes are involved, and that is action unit six. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.640 Yes, so a couple of things here. Action unit twelve 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.520 I think is the pinnacle of band names that we've 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:22.280 ever covered. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.040 It's pretty darn good. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.400 Not only is a great name if you dig into 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.520 what it means, you're talking about smiling. It's the name 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.240 for smiling, so that's pretty awesome, but it also has 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.760 a built in abbreviation that's great too, AU twelve, maybe 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.000 even AU one two. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.960 Oh yeah, so you've got on a logo or whatever. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.840 I really genuinely think that is the best band name 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.040 we've ever stumbled upon. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.960 So did that just unseed Frozen Poop Knife? 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.640 I think so they could go on tour together? But 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.280 does that mean we retire this bit I don't know 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.280 chuck as possible. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.720 Well, well, here's the deal, I think if we if 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.800 we don't retire it, we will just have to mention 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.760 almost every time from now unlike but it's no AU twelve. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.840 Okay, okay, but yes, all apologies to Frozen Poop Knife. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.800 We will will never forget you and we'll bring you 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:14.360 up still. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.680 Yeah, they just kicked over their kick drum. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.560 So the no, that was my bicep. So if you 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.520 take Action Unit twelve and Action Unit six together, that's 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.920 what's known as the Duchen Smile and We definitely talked 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.920 about Gillom Duschen in our Can Smiling Make You Happy? Episode? 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.640 Right, Yeah, And in fact I think we called them 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:45.720 Dushane because the the translator spelled it whacky. How oh, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.760 I mean different things kine k A I n E, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.840 Shane s h A n E. That's two different names. Yeah, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.480 it's you know, go aa translator, I guess. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.840 Yeah, but we're gonna go with g Duschen this time, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.319 who was a French neurologist. He also was dabbling with 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:10.640 electricity and photography. I saw that he basically existed at 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:16.080 this neat crossroad of three emergent sciences that were coming 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.040 out at the same time. This guy put them all 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.559 the use and he stimulated people's facial muscles with electricity. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.760 There's an extensive set of photographs of him doing this 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.800 to this poor guy. And this guy's making all these 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:34.800 weird facial expressions and Dushen is coating all of them. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.240 But it's kind of hysterical to think that, like, this 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.760 guy's not purposely making these He's being zapped with electricity 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.959 and that's what's making them because the correct muscle combination 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.840 is being zapped. Right then by Duschen. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.320 Yeah, that's pretty funny stuff. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.439 So he claimed, and this was sort of a and 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.240 I think people thought this was true for a while. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.679 Was you know this notion that you can you can 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.480 tell a fake smile by the eyes, and that's sort 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.520 of the dead giveaway. And he may have not reinforced it, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.360 but he may have sort of planted that seed when 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.200 he said that the orbicularis oculi, which is action unit 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.720 six that we talked about the eyes that would only 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.319 contract due to the sweet emotions of the soul, which 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.840 is a very nice thing to say, but it turns 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.240 out that's probably not true. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:31.120 No people can, including Tyra Banks, can make yourself or 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.600 make themselves up'm sorry, smile with their eyes. But there 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.040 does seem to be some disagreement on whether that can 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.000 fully be ever fully be reproduced voluntarily. And I like 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.880 to think that it can't be that there's still some 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.160 smile out there that's so genuine that it can't voluntarily 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.960 be reproduced fully. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.040 Yeah, I think what the deal is is there are 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.200 some people who are probably so good at the fake 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.480 smile that you just don't realize it. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.160 Yeah, be aware of those people. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.960 Of those things can be true I think what you 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.959 said is definitely true. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.160 Thanks. Man. I want to say one other thing about 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.520 AU six Action Unit six. If you go and look 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.959 at the faces, coatings or facts, it's just like strips 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.240 of like the mouth or the eyes or something like that. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.320 And for Action Unit six, it is a strip of 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.600 my eyes. It is very clearly somebody took my photo 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.160 and just cut out the eyes. Wow, and it's just 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.079 showing that it looks exactly like my eyes. Dude, you 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.000 should go look. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.120 Send me a screenshot. I'm not going to look it up. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.160 Okay, I will eventually see. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:39.199 That's the agreement we came to. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.920 Okay, I think that's fair enough. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.400 Two guys who do research for a living. You can't 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:45.600 make the other one look anything up. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.360 No, we just send screenshot. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.760 So if we're talking about evolution, like, it's a pretty 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.240 human thing to just you know, be alive in the 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.680 world and smile because you're feeling good and having a 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.880 good day. If you look at something in the like 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.960 a somebody from the primate kingdom and you see that 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.720 teeth like you, man, I've seen those chimpanzees beare those 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.640 teeth and everyone's like, oh, they're so happy and that's 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.280 actually not what they're trying to say to you, And 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.080 it doesn't mean they're trying to kill you right then either. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.000 But it's a sign of submission, apparently. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:24.160 I don't know. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.240 I always I didn't. Never took it as they always 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:27.959 look stressed out to me, like when I see a 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.400 chimpanzee bear their teeth like that. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.600 Yeah, I've seen them. It depends on I think it 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.280 depends on the rest of the face, because I can 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.719 bring to mind images of chimps doing that. The one 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.480 I bring to mind more is Clyde from every which 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.480 Way but Loose doing that orangutang. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:44.920 Yeah. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.600 Man, he definitely did that, and he didn't seem stressed out, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.560 but they definitely played it like he was laughing or 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.120 something like that, and he surely wasn't. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:51.839 Yeah, for sure. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.199 One of the things about that, though Chuck is smiling 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:00.000 through submission, that is that still survived into humans for sure. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.800 Like that is something that we do not just to 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.640 say like you're an alpha, I'm a beta, but also 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.439 to say like, hey, I just want to get along, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.800 no stress over here, yeah, yeah, or you know, to 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.960 to basically not be tense or if an awkward pause 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.600 comes both people might kind of smile or something like that. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.240 All of that is essentially the same thing as a 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.840 chimp smiling to signal submission. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:27.640 Yeah, for sure. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.040 There was a paper in nineteen seventy nine, a pretty 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:35.040 classic smiling paper where these psychologists Robert Crouton, Robert Johnston, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.040 they were notating how people reacted when they went bowling 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.720 together and found they were more likely to smile when 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.040 just like hanging out and talking than after getting a strike, which, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.120 like that totally tracks because like when you get a strike, you're. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.079 Supposed to be that cool, like you meant to do that. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.080 You're not supposed to turn around and go right. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.520 For sure. I read a little more about that study. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:02.400 One participant, Hayesus, never smiled and another participant, inn Amish 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.960 man named Ishmael smiled almost constantly. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.319 Well, I think we might want to talk about a 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.080 little bit, and I know we've covered this before, was 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.240 baby smiling, because it's about one of the cutest darned 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.480 things in the world is when you see a little 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.480 baby smile at you. That does happen very early. Very 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.680 newborn infants can smile, but those are sort of just 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:28.320 random smiles like they may have farted or something and 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.640 are smiling because it's funny. They'll learn that a little 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.080 bit later, and not because they lit it on fire. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.040 They'll learn that probably in their tween years. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.280 That's dangerous, is it? 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:38.600 Really? 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.800 I've always heard why not? You never let a part 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.120 I have, but I escaped by the skin of my teeth. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.080 It's usually just sort of a random occurrence when a 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.200 very newborn baby smiles about four to six weeks. They 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.320 start smiling when they wake up and they see you 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.240 or hear you, as we'll see, but it's still sort 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:04.240 of indiscriminate. It seems like the social smiling that starts 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.000 at about six to twelve weeks when they're like, hey, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.240 I see mom or dad or whoever I like to 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.520 see or I hear their voice, and that makes me 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:13.920 happy exactly. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:18.320 But apparently they're also master manipulators, because they've been found 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:23.080 to time their smiles to maximize smiling from their caretaker, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.320 so like they'll give you a smile so that you'll 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.280 smile at them for thirty seconds, and they'll flash you 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.840 another one, and there you go, you're smiling again. They 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.640 learn to do that like really early. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.720 Yeah, I wonder if twins are ever like, hey, watch this. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.840 Kind of I'm sure did you see that link I 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.000 sent you to this about the study of baby smiling 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.000 in you to row. Yeah, if you want your paper 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.560 to make the national news, just make it on baby smiles. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.760 But this paper from twenty twenty two in the Journal 0:15:53.800 --> 0:16:00.400 of Psychological Science. They gave pregnant women carrot pills or 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.520 kale pills, and when the women ate carrot pills, the 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.040 babies smiled like fifteen twenty minutes later as it was 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.080 digested and reached them. When they ate kale, the baby's grimaced. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.080 I wonder what they did when they gave them the 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.280 Reese's peanut butter cup. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.080 They just started doing three sixties. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:20.600 Yeah, they started break dancing. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.520 But one other thing about the study, Chuck that one 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.600 of the co authors was named Jacqueline Blissett. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:28.240 Uh, that's funny. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.680 I mean it's true though, I think it's great. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.000 No, I know, but it's still funny, right, Okay. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.200 Well, yeah, I wonder though if they're her parents were like, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.760 we love Charlie's Angels that much. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.040 I don't get the Charlie's Angels ref. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.440 Oh, Jacqueline Bassett was the she was the best Charlie's 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.400 Angel if you ask me one of the original three. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.880 She wasn't in Charlie's Angels. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.120 Jacqueline Bassett. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.640 I don't know who you're thinking of, buddy. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.080 All right now, we do need to look something up. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.720 You go ahead, Okay, I'll go ahead, all right. So 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.320 I mentioned hearing and planning a little seed there that 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.080 a little infant maybe hearing something could make them smile. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.760 And they know this stuff because you know, they've done 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.639 studies on whether smiles are innate or imitative. And so 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:20.560 if you're going to do a study like this, you 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:24.719 might want to study babies who are congenually blind. And 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.440 they have found that it really doesn't make a difference. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.320 Blind infants start to smile in response to that voice, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.639 just like cited babies too. And they did another study 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.879 of congenitally blind athletes at the Paralympic Games, and this 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.240 one had was from twenty three different cultures, because, as 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.200 we'll see, different cultures like smiles might mean different things 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:49.399 and had the same They had the same spontaneous expressions 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.600 as sided counterparts, sort of across the board. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:58.240 Yeah, which is pretty awesome. They also found that the 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.119 children who were studied. I don't remember what study this 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.760 was in, but basically they observed children who were given 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:11.240 reasons to basically mask disappointment with a smile. And apparently, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.119 and this is for real, like play schoolers or nursery schoolers. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.000 They had them make lists of toys they wanted, and 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.400 then they gave them a toy that they hadn't asked for, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.760 and the kid would mask their disappointment with a little smile. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.600 And they found that sighted and non cited kids basically 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.480 made the same facial expressions in that situation too. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.399 Yeah, amazing. Did you look up Charlie's Angels? 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.040 Yeah? I did. I was hoping you. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.639 Would forget Jacqueline Smith. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.840 Oh yeah, you got Jacqueline right. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.480 Well, we might just take out the whole thing. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.840 All you never know, all right, Uh, well, I guess 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:48.200 we'll see. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.040 We'll let the listener decide. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.240 I don't know if that's possible. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.280 Well, not decide, but decide how they feel about it. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.920 Okay, but they won't know about it if we took 0:18:58.920 --> 0:18:59.280 it out. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.200 Well, but they wouldn't even hear what I just said 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:01.800 then either. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.359 No, we should leave this part in and really confuse everybody. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:11.359 Oh man, I brought up cultural differences. Jacqueline Smith is 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.080 eighty years old. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.680 Oh wow, how's she doing? 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.040 She's doing great. Hey, listen, I'm not one to comment 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.760 on people's appearance, because I know that's untoward. Sure, but 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.199 Jacqueline Smith does not look like any other eighty year 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.040 old that I've ever seen. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.840 She is the best angel? You agree, right? 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.000 Yeah? She was my favorite. I think, good actor. I 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.440 think I had a pretty big crush on her. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.119 Sure, I mean, for sure, I think everybody had a 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.879 crush on all of the Charlie's Angels to some extent. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.600 Yeah, but I'm with you. I think Jacqueline Smith was 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:43.879 definitely the top angel. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.520 Yeah. She was great in The Deep too. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.119 Oh yeah, that was a good movie. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.880 I was trying to make a joke. I thought that 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.560 was Jacqueline Bessett, who's in the Deep? 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.760 Oh wait, she was in the Deep? 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.280 Yeah, oh boy, we're going to take that part out too. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.600 Oh Oka, Jerry's gonna have fun with this one. Excuse me, Like, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.040 I'm gonna pass this one on to Ben. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.280 I got stuff going on. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.840 Can't you hear people being like, get back to smiling? 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.600 I know, all right, back to smiling. I mentioned different cultures, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.800 because you know, there's the idea of like what if 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.840 I'm in a different culture and I like smile at 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.600 someone and that actually means like I hate what you 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.280 just fed me or something like that. So they've done 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.640 a lot of studying over the years. There's in the sixties, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.800 it was a psychologist named Paul Ekman who did experiments 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.080 where they just showed images of faces to different cultures 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.520 and then like had them pick from a list on 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.520 what emotion that was. And he was like, all right, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.920 here's what I came up with. There are six universal 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:47.840 facial expressions. Only six anger, disgust, enjoyment, fear, sadness, and surprise. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.240