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Speaker 2: Jenkinson Jones listeners. We are joined today by a very

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Speaker 2: special guest. Before we get into the accolades of this

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Speaker 2: very accomplished young lady, I just want to say this

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Speaker 2: first and foremost, this is the homie ride here. When

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Speaker 2: I first hopped on Twitter, damn near fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 2: the first two friends I made on there were John

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Speaker 2: and this young lady. We connected on Twitter her over

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Speaker 2: a love of hip hop. This is like two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine twenty ten, right the peak of the blog era,

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Speaker 2: just an incredibly fun time to be a rap fan.

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Speaker 2: And at the time I remember she was a college

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Speaker 2: student at Texas State who had aspirations to get out

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Speaker 2: there and carve out her career path in make a

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Speaker 2: living as someone who wrote and spoke and provided commentary

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Speaker 2: on this art form that we love so much, that

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Speaker 2: is wrap, and boy, oh boy, did she accomplish that shit,

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Speaker 2: all right. So she has had writing credits in Billboard, Complex, Vibe,

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Speaker 2: OK Player, Rolling Stone, to name a few, multiple appearances

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Speaker 2: on NPR.

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Speaker 3: She is here to discuss her.

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Speaker 2: Incredible new book with us, which is titled Old to

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Speaker 2: Hip Hop Fifty Albums That Define Fifty years of trailblazing music.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Jacob and Jones listeners. We have esteemed

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Speaker 2: music journalists, cultural critic, and SoundCloud DJ extraordinaire and very

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Speaker 2: very dear friend Keana Fitzgerald joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Kiana, how are you? Thank you so much popping up?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was wonderful and far too kind.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeses, we were so mappy to fucking have you. You know.

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Speaker 2: First off, Kiana, I know I've said this to you

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Speaker 2: be already, but I'm gonna say it again and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna keep saying it. We are so fucking proud of you,

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Speaker 2: little sis. This book is incredible, right, It's it's so fun,

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Speaker 2: it's so informative, it's so engaging. But I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you a particular moment when I was reading this that

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Speaker 2: had me smiling from ear to ear I was reading

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Speaker 2: your review on the Diary, you know, the classic Scarface

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Speaker 2: album nineteen nine. Yeah, and you know in your synopsis

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Speaker 2: and your breakdown of it, you dropped a Scarface quote

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Speaker 2: and you mentioned that the quote you dropped came from

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Speaker 2: an interview you conducted with Scarface last year, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, Wow, what a fucking flex kiata is really

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, this is something you said you wanted to

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Speaker 2: do your whole life. Do you ever just have moments

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Speaker 2: where it's surreal to even you? Because that was like

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Speaker 5: That was, man, well, thank you for all that, but

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Speaker 5: that was definitely a holy shit moment for me. You know,

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Speaker 5: Just like again to kind of refer back to my mom,

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Speaker 6: Raph I mean, you don't seem like a rap fan

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Speaker 6: I mean, because when I'm talking to all about this,

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Speaker 5: I take that, but man, you're absolutely correct. Music but

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Speaker 5: And they're like, no, we're not carrying it. Like, in

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Speaker 5: They were all related, so you know, it's one of

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Speaker 5: Short, I fucking love hip hop. It's as you said,

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Speaker 5: I'm not just a fan. I'm not even just a

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Speaker 5: stand I'm like a level above that. It's it's the

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Speaker 3: That's the most I just published a book.

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Speaker 1: Shit I've ever heard of my life, because it really

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Speaker 1: like there's a somewhere at the end of it. First

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Speaker 1: book and say it is obviously you spend so much

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Speaker 1: time on the words. It's also just a beautiful book.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's and I encourage people to pick

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Speaker 1: those books you could look at forever. How this is

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Speaker 5: If you look through the book, you can see like

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Speaker 1: I love that, Like the different pages in different sections

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Speaker 3: And they talked about how proud they are you, Like

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Speaker 6: A complex, you know what I'm saying, Like we saw

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Speaker 3: Pre order funk that I need this motherfucker here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you man.

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Speaker 3: No, I just I just google it, sh because I

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Speaker 5: Oh lord Jesus. So I never thought that I could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is gonna be so random.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't know that Gucciman's name was pronounced Raydrick Rodrick.

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Speaker 2: very much looking forward to your perspective at this time

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: as often as I can, I want to have these

440
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 5: kinds of conversations because it's just like hip hop is

441
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 5: so important to like everything that we do, everything that

442
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 5: we see, everything that we consume. It's literally embedded in

443
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 5: all of life. So yeah, I'm always down to talk

444
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 5: about it as long as people are respectful. And yeah,

445
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,679
Speaker 5: to the southern point, I think we're getting to a

446
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 5: better place not as welcoming in that respect as I

447
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 5: would like. But I don't know. I'm like, I'm trying

448
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 5: to be respectful because like you know, I lived I

449
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 5: lived in Brooklyn for like some years. I love y'all

450
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 5: visited me there, like you know, I love or what

451
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:56,959
Speaker 5: y'all did.

452
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, that's right.

453
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, my little bit tired.

454
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 5: I missed my my little my little uh what I

455
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 5: called it. But yeah, anyway, yeah, so I live there.

456
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 5: I have deep respect for everything that they've contributed, as

457
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 5: you said, Tyler, but it's just it comes down to

458
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 5: like respect and acknowledgment of the contributions that have been

459
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 5: made from the South, from women, And as long as

460
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 5: there's respecting the picture, I can like have a conversation

461
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 5: and be you know, respectful back and have that kind

462
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 5: of back and forth. But if people are just coming

463
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 5: to me like with a disrespectful tone or with intentions

464
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 5: that I can like read and see that they're not

465
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 5: coming with it like correctly, then that's why I'm like,

466
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 5: you know what, I'll just mute you and move on

467
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 5: or whatever I can do.

468
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 4: In the real world.

469
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 3: What's your I wish you could mute motherfuckers in the

470
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: real world and they're talking but you can't hear ship.

471
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but okay, hold on, let's brainstorm the mechanics. Would

472
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: this be a hand gesture or a noise?

473
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: Like? What would the signal be that? Like, I'm no

474
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: longer hearing anything. Love to shoe a nigga.

475
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 1: Keanu's got a middle finger, John's got the shoeing. Someone

476
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: is almost more disrespect I feel like, you know what I'm.

477
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 4: Saying, Like, all right, bro, I want to tell somebody

478
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: that I.

479
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 3: Told the nigga to beat it once. It's one of

480
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: my favorite things I ever did. I was like, y'all

481
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: beat it, bro. Kick Rock was gonna be like what

482
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: do I do here? I'm like, beat it? But you're

483
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: lucky you didn't run into him with the soda fact brother.

484
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 6: Brother, But uh, but what's your favorite era of music?

485
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: I know we met during the blog air, you know

486
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: what I mean, and we would go to south By.

487
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 6: We see I mean, we saw a chance the Rapper

488
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 6: and chie Keith before they had blown the funk up,

489
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

490
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 3: We saw.

491
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 6: Kendrick and Schoolboy on one side, then we saw a

492
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 6: big on the other side, and they were a Peckerheads

493
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 6: is like a dive bar.

494
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: You feel.

495
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 6: We had school Boy before on Keep with Kindred, but

496
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 6: we I never seen him. I was like, who is

497
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 6: who is? And any kill ship? You feel me like

498
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 6: it was crazy, but like we talked about that. But

499
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 6: then you have the memories with your mother. You know

500
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

501
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 3: Uh, listen to UGK, Like what's your favorite favorite era?

502
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? A music?

503
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to say it is the blog era.

504
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 5: Like that was That's a really important, very pivotal, very.

505
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 4: Formative time for me.

506
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 5: That was like the moment for for me when I

507
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 5: was able to kind of start discovering stuff on my

508
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 5: own and you know, being on like not write and

509
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 5: like downloading media, fire links and ship like that. Like

510
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 5: that was so much fun for me. I had a

511
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 5: raggedy ass computer, so I was just driving that I

512
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 5: need the music.

513
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: I need it.

514
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 5: That was like I remember, like I was downloading like

515
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 5: Wayne and Jewel's and stuff like that, and obviously Wiz

516
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 5: currentcy Drake like all the people that were popping up

517
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 5: at that time, but also around that time was also

518
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 5: like the Space goes Perp like era, and He's somebody

519
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 5: that is very near and dear to my heart, like

520
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 5: I adore him and everything that he's been able to

521
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 5: kind of create and affect other people, like from Florida.

522
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 4: He's a Florida artist.

523
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 5: But like all the acts that have come out of

524
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 5: that state, even like in the mid twenty tens, they

525
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 5: didn't really matter, like the little what a little pumps

526
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 5: move like those kids, I don't have as much attachment too,

527
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 5: but it's like the foundation of what they.

528
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's yeah.

529
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna mention them because people telling me I

530
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 5: talked about it all the time. So but yeah, that's yeah,

531
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: that's my guy. But yeah, the blog error for sure,

532
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 5: that's I wish in some some days, some days I'm like,

533
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 5: I wish I could go go back. But it was

534
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 5: the most part, Yeah, it was. It was so much fun.

535
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 4: It was so much fun.

536
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: So, you know, to transition from that, and I'm I'm

537
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: glad we've got a youth here for this question that

538
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm about to ask you, how do you feel about

539
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: this particular era, because I'm gonna be honest with you,

540
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: right like, I'm not a hip hop is dead and asked, motherfucker,

541
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those things. I'm a firm lever

542
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: that hip hop will always persevere, there will always be

543
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: some new energy that comes along and pushes the genre ford.

544
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: But I think right now we're in a downtime, right

545
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't think like I said,

546
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm not an old man shaking my fist out of the

547
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: cloud saying rap is dead. I just think we need

548
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: some new energy. We need like a fucking old four

549
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: Kanye or old three fifth mixtape and kind of sh

550
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: ship the landscape.

551
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: So how do you feel about this era right now?

552
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: Someone like I said to someone who's younger than me,

553
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: because because I had, you know, a time like when

554
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: I was younger, like during I would say, after the

555
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: crunk era and before like the blog era where I

556
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: was like, bro, rap, I don't know if it's doing

557
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: it for me right now? That was kind of like

558
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: that's kind of like the Snap music era, Snapple schools

559
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: some shit to have some fun with at the club.

560
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: But ain't nobody going back and playing No Franchise Boys

561
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: albums in twenty twenty three, you know what.

562
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying, correct, right?

563
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 4: So?

564
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I'm just curious, Like like I said,

565
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm not a hip hop is dead old, angry, ornery motherfucker.

566
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: I do think we're at a down here right now.

567
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: Like I said, I think we just need some some

568
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: new energy to come shift shit up.

569
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?

570
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, And to John's point earlier, I think the women

571
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: are really about to take it to a new place.

572
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 4: I'm excited.

573
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: I say so many names all the time, and right

574
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 5: now I'm like, who can I talk about that I haven't.

575
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: Already talked about.

576
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 5: But like, I love kind the man from Houston. I

577
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: love Mona Lao also from Houston. Megan obviously she's all

578
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 5: the way up there, but I love you know, lolobrook My,

579
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: the Dawn Flow, Millie. I love all the girls who

580
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 5: have been like bubbling for the past year to three years. Back,

581
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 5: I would say, like, I feel like they're having a

582
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 5: lot of fun. I spice, she's she's fine, She's not

583
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 5: my cup of tea always. Sometimes it's keep, it's not always.

584
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, in general, I feel like that's gonna be

585
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 5: the next like wave quote unquote. It's like the women

586
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 5: so in non binary, fan queer, everything like that. So yeah,

587
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: aside from that, the men are kind of boring.

588
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: It's not.

589
00:25:51,440 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 5: I I love like azo V's I love those, like yeah, exactly. Yeah.

590
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 5: Who else Baby Drill.

591
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: Baby Drill, Yeah yeah.

592
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 6: I questions about Baby Drill when he first came out.

593
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 6: I was like, but I'm feeling him now, you know

594
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 6: what I mean. He had the feature with Nudy and

595
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's do I like it because Nudy's on

596
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 6: his motherfucker?

597
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: But no, he.

598
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think there.

599
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, I've always kind of been an underground, not

600
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: really mainstream girl, so I'm having a lot of fun

601
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 5: listening to like those kinds of artists. But yeah, in

602
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 5: terms of like the big like flag torch bearer or whatever,

603
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 5: I don't know who that is right now. I don't

604
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 5: think there's anybody that's really like I'm looking at the

605
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 5: book again, like I'm looking at Wayne Pop, Missy Kim, like,

606
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: you know.

607
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 4: I don't see that yet.

608
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 5: And maybe it's because like they're still in development, maybe

609
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 5: they're still being formed and created and you know, evolving.

610
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: Or whatever, but I don't. I don't see it right now.

611
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 5: And I kind of allude to that in the book

612
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 5: toward the end where I talk about like, you know,

613
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: like the pandemic and how people are still creating and

614
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 5: things of that that ilk, But I don't know. I'm

615
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 5: just like I want to be like excited. I want

616
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: to be like ripped from like the blog era, you know.

617
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: Like when we first heard So Far Gone, like I

618
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: what is this?

619
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 6: You know we talk about Drac, we want that first

620
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: interaction with him before it was actually sold, you know,

621
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 6: he was signed mixtape.

622
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: That reaction was insane, Like you know what I mean?

623
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: We run it after three months, So yeah, I feel

624
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: you on that.

625
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 6: But I mean there's some there's supports, like you know,

626
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 6: like I think they hadn't like Tyler the Creator, Vince Staples,

627
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 6: Mick Jenkins who just dropped the album like they created

628
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 6: their their sound has evolved to something that is beautiful,

629
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 6: but they haven't reached the levels that most hip hop

630
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 6: stars you know, who are as good as they are generally,

631
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 6: do you know what I mean? So, and I know,

632
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 6: like I find myself listened to a lot of dudes

633
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 6: from overseas now, like we can talk about as much

634
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 6: as like the UK ship like Clown and that shit,

635
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 6: but they got some vibes over there, like.

636
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: It's shifted, it's shifting.

637
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: A little bit John, how much perky Turkey?

638
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: It ain't I'm tukey no more.

639
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Bro.

640
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 6: They talking that ship over there, My gee, you feel me?

641
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 6: They got the energy. The energy is right the perky Turkey.

642
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 6: We left that in twenty seventeen. Bro, you know they

643
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 6: they moved one. Like you said, what I fuck with

644
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 6: Central Cy?

645
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: I fuck with Central C.

646
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: I fucked with Uh yeah that he got with. You

647
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, what's just what's the same. It's

648
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: such a jay hush, you know what I mean?

649
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 6: He drops he got some ship. You know, there's some

650
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 6: there's some dope people over there. I'm fucking with Central

651
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 6: Seasons like like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty, but like

652
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 6: he's really turned it up so like there's some people

653
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 6: over there, and I much wanted like.

654
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: Are you are you fucking with that?

655
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 6: Overseas trying to up music in general with like you know,

656
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 6: with like AfroB you know, like it's becoming way more

657
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 6: international as far as taste, my taste, and I'm wondering

658
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: if if is that happening with you as well?

659
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm wanna let you listen ship, bro.

660
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: That's that's damn I legal in that thing probably.

661
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: Pretty much pull out a rifle.

662
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, I want to get more into like other

663
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: regions for sure. I just haven't yet because I feel

664
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: like I'm still playing ketchup, Like there are still artists

665
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 5: that like I'm just now getting up on, Like what's

666
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: his name? I always it's like four words long, band

667
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: gang Loni band. I think that's his name.

668
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

669
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've only heard like a few of his songs,

670
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: but like there's one of them called Ship I'm gonna

671
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: forget but either way, Yeah, yeah, I just put it

672
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 5: in a mix that I did recently, and it's like

673
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 5: he's the the beat is beautiful, and he's really talking

674
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: about some real ship, like talking about you know, I

675
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: don't want to say the S.

676
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: Word with self harm.

677
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: And he's talking about like you know, like you know,

678
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 5: if you're gonna be in the streets, if you gotta

679
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: get a lawyer, you gotta get bomb money, you gotta

680
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: like get.

681
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: It's like way exactly. Yeah, So I really like him.

682
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: I don't know much of this other material, but that

683
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: song really grabbed me. So yeah, I want to get

684
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: more into like artists that are already creating here so

685
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: I can like have a grip on the culture quote

686
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: unquote whatever. But you know, I just want to be

687
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: more like invested because I even though I did write

688
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 5: this book and I do feel very like in tune

689
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: and in touch, I still feel like I don't know

690
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: as much as I could, So I like, I I

691
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 5: went to a Kingstonietta over the weekend and in my

692
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 5: hometown and they were playing like Kombia and like Texas

693
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: hip Hopla Classics and want to Be a Baller and

694
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 5: stuff like that. But I wanted to like just run

695
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: up on the kids and be like what are y'all

696
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: listening to? Because I don't know what they connect with.

697
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 5: Like I know they like, you know, like young boy,

698
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: little baby stuff like that. But like as far as

699
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: like the newer artists, I'm very interested to see who

700
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: they're grabbing.

701
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 6: J O n Why things from DC, you know what

702
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 6: I mean? But like, uh yeah, like he's kind of

703
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 6: fire right, I just got it. I was in Undefeated

704
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: and I heard a song Shazam this shit, I'm still

705
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: Shazami shiit, Like you know what I'm saying, Yo, this

706
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 6: kind of hard And it was like from twenty twenty

707
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: then he's just and you're like, yeah, I'm like, oh,

708
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 6: this shit kind of hard.

709
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's some there's some good artists.

710
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 6: It's just not we don't have like a place to

711
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 6: go to find shit like we used to, like with

712
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 6: the blogs, like you know what I'm saying, like Height

713
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 6: b Store to find the underground spaces.

714
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Two Dull Boys and and even before that Friday Saturday

715
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: nights on your radio station where right right here and

716
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: you never heard.

717
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: It is kind of hard to find the newer.

718
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 6: Acts now and I've realized but I realized that.

719
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead, Mike, there's there's there's something that

720
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: we you know, the three of us have talked about

721
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: this on the pod a little bit. But so Kena.

722
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: I I cover and write about high school athletes in

723
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Long Beach, So you know, like black teenagers mostly and

724
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: then and like music is, it has a different place

725
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: in their upbringing than it did in ours, because if

726
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: you've grown up in the smartphone era, music is now

727
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: competing with things that it didn't used to compete with.

728
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: So like when my kids, my son's ten, he likes music,

729
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: but he is just as likely to put on an

730
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: episode of The Simpsons on his phone while he's cleaning

731
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: as he is music because it's the same it's the

732
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: same device.

733
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Phone, you know what I mean?

734
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so and so the kids, you know, like

735
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm up in Portland right now with the high school

736
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: football team, they like less rappers than we liked when

737
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: we were in high school because it's just it, do

738
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, it's not it's not

739
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: talked about, it's not.

740
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

741
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I would almost say, and I'm the same as Tyler,

742
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: like I always hesitate any time I say anything that

743
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: sounds like an old man yelling at clouds.

744
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: But they definitely I don't.

745
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel like there's the same sort of like

746
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: reverence for music that there used to be. And even

747
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: when I see kids, like high school kids going to

748
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: big shows where they're like, oh my god, I can't

749
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: believe I got to see this person, it's because Drake

750
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: was in southern California and they're like, wow, Drake is

751
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: to them like you know, like an older like an

752
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: older person that is like almost from a different era,

753
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's but there is almost this

754
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: acknowledgment from them that like, I don't know that they

755
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: think that there will be a rapper they're listening to,

756
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: who will do a show for forty thousand people?

757
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's just it's it's weird.

758
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: But it does feel to me like the technology of

759
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: how we listen to music has started to actually change

760
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: sort of everything about it in a weird way, because

761
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: it's just very like when I started writing, was like

762
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and for about ten years it

763
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: felt to me like, Okay, you know, the kids, the

764
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: rappers of kids who listen to aren't always my favorite,

765
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: but I'm always trying to hear what they're listening to.

766
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm interested in it, even if like a Roddy Rich

767
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: is like not my favorite. Ever, there's stuff on an

768
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: album that I'll like, and so I'm tapping in. And

769
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: really it's like the last four or five years it is.

770
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I realized it's the kids that grew up with an

771
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: iPhone when they were one years old, two years old.

772
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: It's just different, Like there just isn't like I don't

773
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: see him on Instagram like it's it's it's Friday. But

774
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the same for our parents' generation

775
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: about a certain kind of dance, you know, like oh,

776
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: they don't go to dances anymore like whatever, But yeah

777
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: it is.

778
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: It's sad to me too.

779
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: But I don't see like even six seven years ago,

780
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: you'd see on a Friday on Instagram, all the kids

781
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: we follow are posting about this album dropped whatever. I

782
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: just don't really see it, to be completely honest with you,

783
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: from kids that are in high school right now.

784
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm curious what y'all think about like social media's

785
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: effect on his reverence of artists, because I feel like, like,

786
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 5: for like a blue face, like fuck him, but like

787
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: just for example, like he's the ultimate clown, and I

788
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: feel like if we didn't have social media, he might

789
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: be able to get away with more shit than he does.

790
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 5: And I think people might quote unquote respect him more

791
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: if you know, they didn't know all the clownery that

792
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: he does. So like cause like when he first came out,

793
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: like I was like I had a radio show and

794
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 5: I put like three of.

795
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: His songs back to back.

796
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm feeling this shit like it was

797
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 5: all the same, that it all sounded the same, but

798
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 5: you know it was like very it was just fun

799
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: and new for me. And then like once I found

800
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: out more about him, and I have more interactions with him.

801
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, never mind. So yeah, I feel

802
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: like that immediacy, that ability to like really connect with

803
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: people or see what they're doing twenty four to seven.

804
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 5: I think it's probably affecting people's ability to really revere

805
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 5: and bring an artist into their lives the way that

806
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 5: we used to.

807
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: But what do y'all think?

808
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: I will hardly agree with you on that, And because

809
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, social media lends everyone a voice, right, which

810
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: is you know, a great thing, of course, but in

811
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: the sense of the discussion we're having now, like you

812
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: take a look at it at a guy like Drake

813
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: hands down, been the top rapper since fucking two thousand nine,

814
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: twenty ten, whatever, right, and he gets clowned, Like I

815
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: have never seen a top guy in a game who

816
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: is so respected by so many people, right, like you, like,

817
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: you know, like to your point, there was a reverence

818
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: for jay Z when he was on top. There was

819
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: a reverence for Biggie when he was on top. Of course,

820
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: Drake has a ton of fans, the biggest rapper in

821
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: the world. But like I said, he gets jokes the

822
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: way I've never seen a top guy and rap ever

823
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: get jokes, you know, what I mean.

824
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: So, so there's there's that to your point.

825
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: But you know, I think that that's one of the

826
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: things about social media as well, is that I think

827
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of eliminated the consensus that we used to

828
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: have a bit where there were just undeniable classics, right

829
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: like doggy Style is a classic to everyone, you know

830
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: of my generation, you know, life after that, there was

831
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: a classes to everyone in my generation. And now you know,

832
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of dissenting opinions, right like, and you

833
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: see folks air that shit out, and you know, like

834
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I said, I think that's a good thing because I

835
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: do think that you know, for so very long, the gatekeeping,

836
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: you know, kind of worked to the disadvantage for a.

837
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: Lot of of of.

838
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: Of rappers, especially non New York City rappers, right when

839
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: when when we just had you know, the source and

840
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: double excel, right like, you know, you weren't seeing you know,

841
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: the reverence for eight Ball and m JG that you

842
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: were seeing for nas, you.

843
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: Know what I mean. But yeah, but but you know,

844
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm rambling a bit here.

845
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: But but but to the point about how ship has

846
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: kind of changed where where it feels like the youngest

847
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: are not as invested in raps as we as much

848
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: as we were. I think the accessibility that everyone has now, right,

849
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: you can go to your phone and find any fucking song,

850
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: any fucking album you want. You paid ten dollars a

851
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: month with Apple and the world is yours, right, It

852
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: wasn't like that with us. We were buying fifteen dollars

853
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: CDs going into that ship blind right, we were taking.

854
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: Beginning.

855
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: There's not only one good shaving.

856
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: And one good thing.

857
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: Flip damn.

858
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm my homie saying that ship when he like, go ahead, yeah,

859
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

860
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: We had to sit with it because like, Bro, I

861
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: put fifteen dollars into this motherfucker. I'm gonna find some

862
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 2: heaters on this. I'm gonna sit with it. I'm gonna

863
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: soak it in. And albums, it felt like albums lasted

864
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: so much longer with us back then, Like like I mentioned,

865
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: like Dog and Style, Bro, that shit ran was had

866
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: like a year with us, right, Like we love the

867
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: fuck out of that album. And it feels like, you know,

868
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: albums today they don't have that big of a shelf

869
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: flight because I think that, you know, beyond just music,

870
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: I think that social media has shortened our attention spans drastically, right,

871
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 2: Like it's a microwave society now, like shit is hot

872
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: for a few seconds and then we're on to the next.

873
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 6: So I think part of it is like the mystery's gone,

874
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 6: Like we have access in such a way that the

875
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 6: mystery is gone, Like you have to have a not

876
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 6: only do I need you to be make good music,

877
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 6: but I gotta believe it in how you are acting,

878
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: and everything was so curated back then. We're like, you know,

879
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 6: I didn't know Jada Kiss was funny as shit. I

880
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 6: thought he was the hardest on the planet, you know

881
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So like like if I knew he

882
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 6: was funny, you know, and he was cracking jokes on Twitter,

883
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 6: I might not have, you know, thought of him in

884
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 6: the same way, even.

885
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: Though his music was incredible and deniable to me, you

886
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying.

887
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, like there's a lot of dudes where

888
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 6: and I don't I think Twitter you can still curate

889
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 6: your tweet. You can still like you know, but like

890
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 6: I can see if you alame ass nigga on Instagram stories.

891
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 6: Instagram stories they made but they like you could post,

892
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 6: you could post your.

893
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: You know the picture that could be curated, you know

894
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: what I mean?

895
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 6: But when I see you talking to that camera and

896
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 6: you ain't the nigga that you rapping like nigga nigga,

897
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 6: you a lame ass nigga, bro like that that really

898
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: showed you. I saw you live looking at that bitch

899
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 6: and you ain't. You ain't standing the way you were.

900
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: You know you ain't. You ain't moving the way you

901
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: was moving prior.

902
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 6: You ain't the small dash niggas, cool ass nigga, you know,

903
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 6: mankind of goof my nigga, you feel me? Like, so

904
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 6: everything was so cordy at one point where like the

905
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 6: only thing we had was what the labeled or what

906
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 6: your team built out for you to be, you know

907
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And I mean like I mean, we

908
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 6: saw how that affects you, Like when when fifty came out,

909
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 6: you know, created Wainston and like change.

910
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: What we thought y'all Rule was and niggas was like.

911
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 6: I mean he nigga, he basically did he he stopped

912
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 6: his career and did what John Rule did. But we

913
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 6: believed he was he started singing on rap song, but

914
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 6: he was a hood had a chest out.

915
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, thugging and we believed it.

916
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 6: So when the brand is harder if you don't mimic

917
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: the brand, if you if you out here fronting, you

918
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, we gonna see it, and you

919
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, And I think that's hard. It's

920
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: hard because everything's not as curated as it once was

921
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 6: in the past. But then I g stories, man, I

922
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 6: saw it like I saw the following some motherfuckers.

923
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, you are not the nigga you I

924
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: thought you feel me? So yeah, I'm sties man.

925
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 6: I think Kendrick's really good at that and keeping the mystery,

926
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 6: keeping the mystery, you know what I mean. And then

927
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 6: he is the rapper. We don't know who Kendrick the

928
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 6: person is. You know what I'm saying. We know Kendrick.

929
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: He's not milling mill here standing up. He hanging upside

930
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: down in Japan, you know what I mean. Like Buddy

931
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: Hoppy for what right right? This motherfucker?

932
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Do you know?

933
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: He like niggas you look at coin of Goofy.

934
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 6: But like when he was all we had was his

935
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 6: YouTube videos with the dirty dreads and ship and knowledges.

936
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: We you know, like love them. I'm like, oh, thisga cret.

937
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 6: But then you see him hanging upside down from like

938
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 6: you know, some some whatever like on the jumping side.

939
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: You saw you saw the video of him with the

940
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: reseller that was on Twitter like a couple of days.

941
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's like stuff like that. Like

942
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: you said, like we didn't see that. Noo, you know

943
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: what I mean. You just saw the court case both

944
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: ways too, Like we had no idea that mc hammer

945
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: was actually the most rious musician in the United States

946
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: of America.

947
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 6: And we had no idea out of the black households

948
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 6: that was loving it mc hammer, But he was. He

949
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 6: was jump beating niggas ass you know, behind closed and

950
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 6: it had it had the ones that we was shook

951
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 6: about shook.

952
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, so and and and funny

953
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: thing is to tie back to the blog era that

954
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: we all love so much. I feel like the first

955
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: rapper who we ever saw commit career suicide and real

956
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: time via social media was Charles Hamilton.

957
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

958
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, once Momie got punched in this ship with that

959
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: little panther, right, bro, that's legit. Where the Sonic Rings

960
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: meme came from because remember his whole ship was Sonic, right,

961
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah he's an originator that he gave

962
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: us a timeless meme. But yeah, I remember Charles Hamilton

963
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: was like the first rapper. I was like, bro, this

964
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: dude is just not who I thought he was. And

965
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: he legitimately a couple of committed career suicide via social.

966
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: Media and doesn't he have mental health issues?

967
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: So I think he does.

968
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: And that's the tough part about that ship.

969
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, I don't know how many people

970
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 5: listening to know this, but I'm by polar type one

971
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 5: and that ship is one of the things that I

972
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 5: do is I run to social media if I'm in

973
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 5: a manic episode and I just start spewing shit, whether

974
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: it's real or not true or not whatever. So that's

975
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: why I'm like, I have a very soft spot for

976
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 5: like people who go through shit like that, because it's

977
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 5: just like you can't control what the fuck you're doing

978
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 5: unless somebody comes and takes your phone and you corpewter

979
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: and everything that you could access the world with, Like,

980
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: there's really no way to stop this ship.

981
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: And I bet that's part of the thing about social

982
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: media is like if you're a rapper going through that

983
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four, you had to probably know what

984
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot of layers between you

985
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: and everyone seeing everything that you were going through and

986
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, So yeah, I do I

987
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: think that. I think y'all hit it on the head,

988
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: like you. I think that's a great point about social

989
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: media and how much that's changed it.

990
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: I would say.

991
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: The other thing that just occurred to me was, like,

992
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, when I would be on a football sideline

993
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: or just walking around a high school or something, from

994
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: when I was in high school to about five years ago,

995
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: you would hear kids rapping all the time, and you don't.

996
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't you don't hear that.

997
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: You you know what I mean?

998
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: All everyone, you're a sixteen year old kid right now,

999
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: and you could choose between being a twitch streamer slash

1000
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: streamer of.

1001
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: Some kind and a rapper.

1002
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: I think that those numbers would be like shocking to

1003
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: people who grew up when we grew up, you know what, I.

1004
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 4: Or like a TikTok kid or something like.

1005
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: That, right, but there's no old people telling them and like,

1006
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't mean to discredit all of

1007
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: us and I'm like, I'm like, you know, but like

1008
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: there's no there's no thirty nine year old, fifty year

1009
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: old person telling them about how great TikTok.

1010
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: Was in the nineties.

1011
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: It's just a fun thing they're doing with their friends.

1012
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: And so, you know, So I think it some of

1013
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: these new things have for them some of the role

1014
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: that music had for us, where like I never had

1015
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: to like my dad would talk to me about Neil Young.

1016
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: He was not talking to me about rap. That was

1017
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: something that was for me and my friends, you know

1018
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so Keana, you had that great

1019
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: relationship with your mom. But like, I think that the

1020
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: newness and the privateness of some of the shit that

1021
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: kids are into now is part of what's more appealing

1022
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: to them versus being a part of And that makes

1023
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: me sad because being a part of a long cultural conversation,

1024
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: like that's part of what is fun to me about rap,

1025
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, or sports or any of the stuff that

1026
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: I like. So I don't know, man, maybe maybe one

1027
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: of these kids I'm talking to today is going to

1028
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: be writing the greatest twitch streamers.

1029
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Next ti Yeah right, oh god, he's nineteen crazy.

1030
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Keanu thank you so much for hopping on

1031
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: with us again. Fifty years of hip hop.

1032
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: Anywhere you get your books, go pick it up. It's

1033
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: a beautiful book.

1034
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: It's one you want to hang on to for a

1035
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: long time. You could talk to your friends about it.

1036
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: It is one of those absolute keepsake books that if

1037
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: you love rap music, if you love music, if you

1038
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: love talking to your friends, if you love good memories,

1039
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: there's something in that book for everyone. And like she

1040
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: said that, like I mentioned before, it's beautiful too. So

1041
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: thank you so much for hopping on with us.

1042
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: We really appreciate you.

1043
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: Thank y'all. I really appreciate this. You made my whole

1044
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 4: little bit long.

1045
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like I said, so so so funny, getting

1046
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: proud of You're so happy for you.

1047
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: Like, we really appreciate you hopping on with us. Yeah,

1048
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: we got to get you on soon again. Man, You

1049
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: know what I mean. For show for show