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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Congressman Thomas Massey labels Trump's presidency

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Speaker 1: the Epstein administration.

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Product z Owne Rick Wilson joins us to

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Speaker 1: discuss the Epstein files effect on the MAGA Coalition. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Bob Brooks about his run to be

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Speaker 1: Congressman for Pennsylvania seventh District.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: So, Mike, we are now seeing that all three people

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Speaker 3: that Ice shot in Minnesota they tried to cover up

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Speaker 3: and lied about the incidents and that all three were

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Speaker 3: unjustified shootings.

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Speaker 4: Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be very unsurprised to know. And there was

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Speaker 1: a really good article about this in the Times this weekend. Basically,

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Speaker 1: Ice just lies about what happens. And so they said

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Speaker 1: that three people were attacking the ICE agent and that

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Speaker 1: this is the person who was shot in the leg

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota and not murdered. And then it turned out

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Speaker 1: they had actually detained one of the people they had

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Speaker 1: detained was just a witness, which who they had immediately

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Speaker 1: flown to Texas, and I think that is a really

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Speaker 1: important part of this. Anyway, this case was dismissed without prejudice,

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Speaker 1: meaning they can't bring it up again. It's over. This

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Speaker 1: is one of these things, just like with the juries

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Speaker 1: refusing to indict. This is one of the places where

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Speaker 1: our justice, our legal system is actually protecting us from

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Speaker 1: ICE's extra legal adventuring. So that's really good news. And

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're seeing some checks and balances. It's

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Speaker 1: funny because it's like this is another place where like

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Speaker 1: juries are providing checks and balances and normal people are

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Speaker 1: providing checks and balances, and Jeff Bezos is just firing

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Speaker 1: half of his newspaper because he wants Drum to like him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it really is interesting.

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Speaker 3: What that New York Times article gets to is that, like,

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Speaker 3: cameras are really one of the oas saving graces, and

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Speaker 3: I for that we were doing this twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: this would not look the same with us finding out

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Speaker 3: what they're doing. And it really is a great tool

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Speaker 3: of pushback towards these people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just a sign that like well a billionaires,

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Speaker 1: maybe craven cowards, normal people will stand up to authoritarianism.

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Speaker 3: So to go along with that, a new report says

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Speaker 3: that Ice jilled illegally forty four hundred people and hundreds

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Speaker 3: of judges have ruled against them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is the same idea. You have

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Speaker 1: a situation where the laws, the courts, the juries, the

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Speaker 1: lower level administrators are using the justice system.

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Speaker 2: The way it's set up to.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the six Democratic Loomakers who made

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Speaker 1: this ad saying that if you're in the military, you

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Speaker 1: do not have to follow illegal orders. How hard is that? Right,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to do things that are legal. That

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Speaker 1: should be not a big statement, but instead Trump World

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Speaker 1: went after them. And what we're seeing is that they

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Speaker 1: couldn't get grand jury indictments on that either. And they

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Speaker 1: just have a judge who paused Pete hag Seth's war

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Speaker 1: against Arizona Senator Mark Kelly. Probably the best political fortune

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Speaker 1: that Mark Kelly has ever come up to. Yeah, truly, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if there ever were a setup for running for president,

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Speaker 1: it would be Pete Hegseeth trying to get you court martialed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as he's forwarded with that for a long time.

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Speaker 3: This really is the best thing they'd be done for him. Still,

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Speaker 3: the Justice Department has listed hundreds of probact people named

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Speaker 3: in the Epstein files of a letter to Congress. Will

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Speaker 3: you be shocked that there's a man who's president in there?

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Speaker 1: This is like one of these ways in which the

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Speaker 1: administration is trying to obfiscate. And what they did was

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Speaker 1: this weekend, Justice Department less hundreds of prominent people named

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Speaker 1: in the Epstein files in the letter to Congress. So

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Speaker 1: this this is like what they do when they released

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Speaker 1: a lot of duplicate files with some redactions and some

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Speaker 1: non redactions. You know, this is just like trying to

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Speaker 1: muddy the water. And in this list, it was a

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Speaker 2: See whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's like if Epstein donated money to a campaign that's

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Speaker 1: It's just a lot of obfiscation, and the truth is

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Speaker 1: like a I think most of the people worked with

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Speaker 1: They don't care about the situation, you know, about finding accountability.

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Speaker 1: They just care about covering for Trump and whoever else

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Speaker 1: of two hundred and fifty people, and that list was

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Speaker 1: put together by the victims, and they have more than

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Speaker 1: a thousand witnesses, but you certainly have a lot of witnesses,

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Speaker 1: and those witnesses certainly have a lot of names, And

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Speaker 1: we know that there are a lot of videos that

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Speaker 1: have not been released. So my question is, you have witnesses,

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Speaker 1: you have videos, you have evidence, so why the fuck

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Speaker 1: aren't you pressing charges?

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Speaker 2: Like I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: And there's also the other thing, which is like, there

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Speaker 1: are some really scary things in these files that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not clear what's real what's not real, and that's

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Speaker 1: of course by design, but they should be investigating all

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Speaker 1: of it. Like, if our government can't be against child

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Speaker 1: Like that's an easy thing to be against. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is not something controversial, like sex trafficking children is bad.

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Speaker 1: If our government won't stop it, then why do they

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Speaker 3: I cannot agree more So, one of the things that

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Speaker 3: we keep seeing over and over again is the war

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Speaker 3: on Woke from the Trump administration mally, and one of

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Speaker 3: the things I think Woke really overstepped on was making

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Speaker 3: clean air, and so the White House has done something

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Speaker 3: about it. There are ending credits for manufacturers for start

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Speaker 1: So this is like a pro pollution stance, which is

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Speaker 1: a little bit ironic when you think about like the

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Speaker 1: big one of the biggest owners this administration is Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: who made all his money on pretending to care about

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Speaker 1: the environment. This whole administration is like it's a kind

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Speaker 2: It's so bad, it is so bad, it is so

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Speaker 2: incredibly dark.

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Speaker 1: And you know, by the way, like climate change is

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Speaker 1: still happening even if it snowed in New York, Like

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Speaker 1: this is not a tenable position.

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Speaker 2: And also FYI like we have this power.

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Speaker 1: Crisis and we could get it from solar, but we

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Speaker 1: won't get it from solar because that's wok. And this

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Speaker 1: is why we are in the stupidest simulation.

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Speaker 4: Possible, quite stupid.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of Lincoln Project in the

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Speaker 1: host of The Enemy's List, Rick Wilson, Hey, Molly, how

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Speaker 1: are you, oh living the dream?

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Speaker 5: I feel your paining for him.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because we're talking about Trump World and we

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Speaker 1: were just off camera talking about how it does feel

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Speaker 1: like Trump has it is really the Trump base is

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Speaker 1: really splendoring.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean we we're seeing it in the

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Speaker 5: polling where that that for years and years and years

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Speaker 5: some stuff that's happened out there. I think it's the

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Speaker 5: economy and his absolute botching of the economy. I think

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Speaker 5: that's a huge factor. You can't unweigh that factor.

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Speaker 1: And again that's the problem that Biden world had too,

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Speaker 1: which was, sure, you can't tell people. If people are

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Speaker 1: mad that their groceries are now twice as much money,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you tell them.

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Speaker 2: They have their own lived experience.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, the Biden the Biden administration said

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Speaker 5: the same things to the Republican Democratic voters.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: Trump is saying, now, the stock market's doing great, and

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Speaker 5: it didn't make people feel better because they didn't experience

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Speaker 5: I think they've it is sunk in now because you're

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Speaker 5: starting to see these poles like who was a better president?

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Speaker 5: People are saying Biden by it. Not a lot would

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Speaker 5: consider how bad Biden's numbers were, Yeah, striking, but I

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Speaker 1: One of the things I'm struck by. And we saw

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Speaker 1: on this. Yes, we had these Pam Bondy hearings on

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Speaker 1: he wants yelling, he wants why don't right, why don't

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Speaker 1: what I think is so important about that is that

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Speaker 1: so I mean, it's not really available even to JD.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when he did it, it was disaster too, but

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Speaker 5: But may I think what I think what was very

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Speaker 5: jarring to Magaworld? And I don't I don't wake up

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Speaker 5: flowing River of Compassion. As a rule, no, but I

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Speaker 5: think Bondie's the ugliness of Bondie's performance, the thing, the

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Speaker 5: And so I think, and I think you're right that

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Speaker 5: that performance table tossing and behavior. It's much harder for

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Speaker 5: But it's even worse when you saw that Bondie's entire

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Speaker 5: performance felt so calculated and so cruel, and and those

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Speaker 5: the intibidious part of the iceberg. You can see of

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Speaker 5: these victims, and Bondi was basically saying, here's my middle finger.

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Speaker 1: It's also I mean, you have these old videos of

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Speaker 1: Bondi saying like, we're going to get sex traffickers. And

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Speaker 5: Two months of who's lying about this? And he would

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Speaker 2: Right, which is not true. Which not true because it's

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Speaker 1: The rest of the world, I mean, like the King

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Speaker 1: My theory is that Democrats in the House should begin

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Speaker 5: I Mollie, I believe that without accountability, this will allow

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Speaker 5: Her numbers for Donald's appreciation seventeen percent approval rating, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the reason why you pick scapegoats is

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Speaker 2: Tell me Trump.

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Speaker 1: I know, Trump knows that he has figured out that

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Speaker 2: And he's not yet.

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Speaker 1: There's like a panic with Republicans. But I don't I

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Speaker 5: They are beating And in fact, that phone call I

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Speaker 2: Well, you have the numbers. You don't have sixty.

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Speaker 5: It is blowing up all over the country. Our buddy

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Speaker 5: Mike Madrid the other day was just going through these

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Speaker 5: numbers and that advantage Trump had in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 5: because he got Hispanics into this frame where he was

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Speaker 5: going to make the economy bang do great for them.

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Speaker 5: It's gone. It's over. They've not only flipped back to

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Speaker 5: their median where they've always sort of been. Politically, they've

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Speaker 5: gone further towards the Democrats. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 5: but I don't think in nine months Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: going to turn this ship around.

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Speaker 1: Well, the billions of dollars that go to Ice, that's

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Speaker 1: to target that. I mean, it's also to target any

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Speaker 1: other group of people.

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Speaker 2: But the real I mean when you have Kavanaugh.

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Speaker 1: Stops right where you're allowed to stop people because they

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Speaker 1: look a certain way, they are not stopping them because

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Speaker 1: they look super white.

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Speaker 5: No, no, they're not. And by the way, I know,

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Speaker 5: as we've all talked about it, he doesn't like the

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Speaker 5: word kavanaugh stops. So that's why I like to say

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Speaker 5: Kavanaugh stops as often as I can to remind people

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Speaker 5: that Kavanaugh is responsible for Kavanaugh stops.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if you're a Supreme Court justice and you say

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Speaker 1: that racial profiling is okay, and you're Justice Kavanaugh, then

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Speaker 1: it's a Kavanaugh stop.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yes it is.

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Speaker 2: And then that gets us to the moment where we

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Speaker 2: are in right now.

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Speaker 1: We see Trump is unpopular, we see what do you

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Speaker 1: think Democrats should be doing at this moment? Because we're

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Speaker 1: already getting into what your Democrats do world, which is

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Speaker 1: very annoying.

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Speaker 5: I want to keep reducing this down to the simplest

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Speaker 5: possible formulation for Democratic candidates that are out there. People

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Speaker 5: are hurting economically like crazy okay, And so the phrasing

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Speaker 5: that I like to use when I talk to Democratic

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Speaker 5: candidates that I want them to go out and say,

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Speaker 5: is this is crazy. Trump is doing this. We're going

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Speaker 5: to fix it. That is not a policy paper. That

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Speaker 5: is not a long disquisition about what you want to

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Speaker 5: do about climate change or tax rates or any other

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Speaker 5: thing under the sun. It is a straightforward here's the problem,

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Speaker 5: here's the cause of the problem. I am the solution.

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Speaker 5: They need to be the solutions to this problem. They

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Speaker 5: need to be saying right away, We're going to kill

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Speaker 5: these tariffs day, one hour, one minute, one in Congress

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Speaker 5: and get the economy moving again. We're going to stop

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Speaker 5: this corruption in the White House and get the economy

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Speaker 5: moving again. We're going to stop the sweetheart deals for

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Speaker 5: Trump donors and get the economy moving again. We're going

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Speaker 5: to stop AI companies from getting from getting a handouts

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Speaker 5: so that so that ordinary Americans can instead of instead

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Speaker 5: of Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: an easy lift right now, because Trump's insanity is self

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Speaker 5: from voting, self fulfilling, self defining Democrats saying we're going

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Speaker 5: to be the party about getting the economy moving and

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Speaker 5: fixing these problems and making your life better. And it's

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Speaker 5: not about prescription drug policies, it's not about anything like that.

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Speaker 5: People want to be spoken to in the language they

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Speaker 5: speak at home, not in the language we speak in Washington.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think affordability is a

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Speaker 1: good way to focus. And it was good to see

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Speaker 1: AOC out there and Munich Security Conference trying to get

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Speaker 1: that at message out.

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Speaker 5: I mean she and Newsome. I think both at Munich

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Speaker 5: did a very credible job of not letting Republicans own

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Speaker 5: that space. I mean Gavin Newsom basically saying California's gonna

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Speaker 5: have our own foreign policy if these idiots won't.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I also thought watching Marco out.

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Speaker 5: There, oh that was a presidential that was his presidential opener, right.

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Speaker 1: Last year, jad Vance went out there and yelled at them.

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Speaker 1: This year, Marco was out there trying to do Jade

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Speaker 1: Vance for without the slightly less obnoxious.

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Speaker 5: It was I'm still going to be a dick on

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump's direction, but I'm going to nod and wink

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Speaker 5: to you. And he was trying to contextualize a lot

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Speaker 5: of it in a way that spoke to the white

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Speaker 5: supremacy group, you know, like our special culture nudget. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: not those other people.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Pay no attention to my last name, right right, paying attention.

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Speaker 5: To the fact that Marco will be on the list,

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Speaker 5: you know, as soon as as soon as the as

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Speaker 5: soon as the Nick Finte's purges begin.

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Speaker 2: Well, women too, so Jason.

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Speaker 1: Bob Brooks is a candidate for Congress in Pennsylvania's seventh district.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Bomb. Thank you very pluched for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what seat are you running for, and tell us.

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Speaker 2: A little bit about that.

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Speaker 4: So we're running for PA seven, which is the Lehigh Valley.

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Speaker 6: It is north Ampton County, Lehigh County, Carbon County, and

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Speaker 6: piece of Monroe County.

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Speaker 4: So it's a wide area. It's a big, big area

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Speaker 4: mile wise.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it's forty five minutes or so to get an

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Speaker 6: end or you know, I live kind of in the middle,

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Speaker 6: which is good.

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Speaker 4: Helps me get to all the different places.

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Speaker 1: It's a Congressman, Ryan mackenzie, who was the congress person there.

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Speaker 6: It is, yeah, congress from Ryan McKenzie is in the

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Speaker 6: seat now. It used to belong to Susan Wilde. Before

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Speaker 6: that was Charlie Dent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is a Centrist Republican seat.

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Speaker 4: It has been, yes for a while.

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Speaker 6: Charlie Dent retired actually to open up the seat. So

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Speaker 6: that's when Susan. Susan walked in and you know, ran

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Speaker 6: and won, flipped to more of a Democrat seat for

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Speaker 6: a while, but Benett it flipped over in this last election.

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Speaker 2: So it's a swing seat.

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Speaker 4: It's a swim seat. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell us what made you decide to run

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Speaker 1: because you're not a career politician.

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Speaker 4: I am the hardest thing from a career politician.

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Speaker 6: So you start looking at the scenario and what was

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Speaker 6: happening and I'm tired of being kicked in the tea.

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Speaker 4: I'm just tired of waking up every day. It's new crazy.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like the representation that we have in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Is representing me. I am an everyday working class person.

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Speaker 6: I in the point right now where I just pray

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Speaker 6: it doesn't snow, because as also being a firefighter for

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Speaker 6: the last twenty years, I am a small business owner

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Speaker 6: and I almost snow poumb business and it really really

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Speaker 6: hinders everything we're trying to do here. So I got

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Speaker 6: a few phone calls in the middle of this one.

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Speaker 6: It started with Cristuzio. He's congressman from m Pittsburgh area

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Speaker 6: and good friend of mine. You know, people I know

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Speaker 6: called and said, hey, would be interested in doing this.

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Speaker 6: And I looked at the field and you know, there's

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Speaker 6: there's a big field.

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Speaker 1: So a big field of candidates running in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: prim ry.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah, So I decided we needed more working

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Speaker 6: class people. The biggest call I got was Governor Jos

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Speaker 6: Shapiro followed me into a backroom meeting and you know, so,

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Speaker 6: I think you'd be really good at this, and I'd

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Speaker 6: be willing to support you if you decide you want

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Speaker 6: to do this, you know.

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Speaker 4: And they gave me some numbers to look at and

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Speaker 4: some information to see.

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Speaker 6: And I'm my decision, after talking to my wife and

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Speaker 6: my family, that we're going to do this because we

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Speaker 6: need change. The status quo in Washington is not okay

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Speaker 6: with me, And if we're looking to keep status quo,

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Speaker 6: then you know, I'm not the vote they want to make,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody wants that anymore.

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Speaker 1: So what does it look like in this race? Tell

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Speaker 1: me about the primary?

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Speaker 6: I just learned today. We're not the biggest one out there.

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Speaker 6: There's one with fifteen down in Maryland. I guess all

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Speaker 6: I can do is concentrate on Bob Brooks or Congress. Right, So,

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Speaker 6: no matter what everybody else in this race is doing,

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Speaker 6: we put our heads down. We're raising the money we

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Speaker 6: need to raise. We're getting the support from all over

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Speaker 6: the board. Again, like I mentioned earlier, we have Governor

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Speaker 6: Josh Shapiro's endorsement, and we have Senator Bernie sanders endorsement now,

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Speaker 6: and in between that, you know we have Val Hoyle,

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Speaker 6: Reuben Diego.

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Speaker 4: And Pete Budajeg.

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Speaker 6: The coalition that we're building is people that are tired

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Speaker 6: of the status quo.

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Speaker 1: So why are they endorsing you besides your charm? Why

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Speaker 1: are all of it people indoors?

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Speaker 4: Because they all need change.

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Speaker 6: And again it goes back to status quo and the

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Speaker 6: bullshit that is happening down there right now, and the

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Speaker 6: money that is in politics is disgusting, and I think

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Speaker 6: they look at me.

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Speaker 4: See, I think it's for different reasons.

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Speaker 6: Quite honestly, I think Senator Sanders liked me because I

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Speaker 6: agreed with him on working class people. We fall in

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Speaker 6: line in the same area. And when it comes to

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Speaker 6: Josh Shapiro, that man knows how I work in Harrisburg.

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Speaker 4: I've been out there, I've passed legislation.

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Speaker 2: Oh, because you were state rapped in the state.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm a state president. I'm sorry, I don't even

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Speaker 4: even so.

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Speaker 6: I am the president of the pennsylvani Interfessional Firefighters Association,

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Speaker 6: which is the union that handles all the.

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Speaker 4: Paid firefighters in the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 6: I was a local president in Bethlehem for Local seven

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Speaker 6: thirty five, and a.

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Speaker 4: Few years ago I made the jump up to the

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Speaker 4: state level.

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Speaker 6: And I've been working in Harrisburg to pass the legislation

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Speaker 6: for first responders. Both police, fire and teachers get grouped

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Speaker 6: in with us also for years now. The biggest one

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Speaker 6: that we passed was post traumatic stress coverage for first responders.

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Speaker 6: And I can give you a guest of who my

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Speaker 6: biggest opponent was when he was a state House member.

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Speaker 6: Guy by the name of Ry McKenzie.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So this is really personal and interesting.

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Speaker 4: I have personal stuff for this guy.

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Speaker 6: He finally voted yes for it and his last year

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Speaker 6: before he moved down to Congress.

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Speaker 4: But that guy fought us.

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Speaker 6: He was a lapdog for Jim Cox for years and

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Speaker 6: now he's just a hepbug for President Trump.

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Speaker 2: So interesting.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times union leaders are not friends with

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Speaker 1: government because it's a lot of negotiating. So tell us

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Speaker 1: how you worked with government to negotiate union pay, etc.

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Speaker 6: So it's a different level when you're talking about the

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Speaker 6: local level and dealing with local politics in the mayor

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Speaker 6: in negotiating contracts is a completely different animal than trying

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Speaker 6: to negotiate legislation. So I've been able to That bill

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Speaker 6: that I told you about is just one of a

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Speaker 6: few that I've helped pass here in Harrisburg. But I've

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Speaker 6: also worked with the international in DC on some legislation

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Speaker 6: that we got passed. I believe I'm the only one

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Speaker 6: in this race that has passed any written and passed

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Speaker 6: any legislation. So even though I'm on the union side

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Speaker 6: of it, when you get to the state level or

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Speaker 6: the international level of legislation, you have to learn to

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Speaker 6: work with both sides of the aisle.

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Speaker 4: We were able to get that bill out unanimous. We

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Speaker 4: had everybody one guy.

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Speaker 6: There was one guy, but he retired shortly after, so

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Speaker 6: we couldn't attack him that voted no on giving mental

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Speaker 6: health coverage the first responders.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, but if you look at it, we had a.

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Speaker 6: Republican senator running the same bill as a Democratic House member.

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Speaker 6: That was Jennamara in the House in camera Bartolata in

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Speaker 6: the Senate, and I was able to pull them all

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Speaker 6: together and use all the tools that we had to

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Speaker 6: negotiate this deal and get it. Because it wasn't like

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Speaker 6: everybody was on good with it. You know, we had

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Speaker 6: the Pennsylvania Missis the League. Well, they wanted to see

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Speaker 6: things and you know, so it's a matter of working

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Speaker 6: together and being able to have a conversation, agree to

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Speaker 6: disagree on something and move on to the next point

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Speaker 6: and then go revisit.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I've been able to do now for years. Again,

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Speaker 4: at the local.

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Speaker 6: Level, we've been able to talk to city administration and

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Speaker 6: come together the contract. If there's not there's a process,

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Speaker 6: and the process takes you to arbitration. So there's a

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Speaker 6: process at the state level. You have to be able

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Speaker 6: to have conversations with people and then go have a

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Speaker 6: beer or dinner later and let those conversations be.

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Speaker 4: Then, and then work towards something in the future.

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Speaker 6: And that's what I've been able to do now for

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Speaker 6: years and what has put me into the position and

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Speaker 6: made the relationships that I have to get all these

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Speaker 6: people behind me.

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Speaker 1: So, Pennsylvania is a really important state for any number

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Speaker 1: of reasons. It's a purple state. But you have a

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Speaker 1: very popular democratic governor. Governors are our job. So talk

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Speaker 1: us through why you think he's so popular, and talk

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Speaker 1: us through how you think he's done that.

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Speaker 6: So I think Governor Shapiro is so popular because he

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Speaker 6: works with everybody. And I like to consider myself a

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Speaker 6: Josh Shapiro type Democrat or a working class Democrat, and

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Speaker 6: that's why I think he relates to people. And that's

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Speaker 6: what I'm trying to do, is just relate to people

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Speaker 6: and their needs and what's going on at home. He

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Speaker 6: takes on the fight. He knows what the important fights

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Speaker 6: are and he's willing to take them head on. Doesn't

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Speaker 6: pass the stuff off. He gets shit done, and that's

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Speaker 6: his line, right, that's his line. Jockey like to get

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Speaker 6: shited done. So I've adopted that to a point. There's

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Speaker 6: no reason to reinvent the wheel. When somebody's got something

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Speaker 6: and they're supporting you and it's working, why change it.

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Speaker 1: This district that you're running in is big with a

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Speaker 1: lot going on. Talk us through what you're seeing when

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Speaker 1: you talk to people in the district.

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Speaker 4: Cool again.

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Speaker 6: You talk to people and they're stick sick and tired

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Speaker 6: of the status quo. They're sick and tired of these

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Speaker 6: Republicans making when it's the hard vote time, Like Ryan

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Speaker 6: McKenzie votes for the Big Beautiful Bill, but then two

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Speaker 6: weeks later he's voting for a discharge petition to extend

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Speaker 6: the AC eight. Like, people aren't dumb. They're playing people

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Speaker 6: for being stupid. People are not stupid. They're just workers.

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Speaker 6: And that's what the district is made up of, people

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Speaker 6: at work in all different avenues and all different fields,

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Speaker 6: and they just are tired of not being represented. And

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Speaker 6: it's clear as day, and it's going to be even

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Speaker 6: clear unfortunately when their healthcare starts a skyrocket.

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Speaker 4: Who made that vote?

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Speaker 6: I like to use a little line that he's like

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Speaker 6: the arsonist has started the fire and then called the

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Speaker 6: fire department ten minutes later.

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Speaker 4: It's too late. You already started the fire. And that's

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Speaker 4: what he did with the big, beautiful bill vote.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to people, what are their biggest concerns, It's.

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Speaker 6: The grocery store, it's their wallet. It's affordability. That's the

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Speaker 6: magic word of the week, right, affordability. But it's everything

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Speaker 6: that comes I think affordability is this giant umbrella. And

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Speaker 6: when it comes down to it, like the wealth, inequality

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Speaker 6: in America is crazy, and we can fix that with

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Speaker 6: a new you know, rewriting the tax code and just

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Speaker 6: taxing the people. I'm not saying it's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 6: earning a living and being rich and making yourself money.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, there's no reason I'm paying

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Speaker 6: a certain amount of money, and Elon Musk is not.

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Speaker 6: If you just rewrite the tax code and get these

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Speaker 6: people to put in their portion, it covers a lot

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Speaker 6: of the things that people need down here. I don't

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Speaker 6: think there's much of a middle class left. They like

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Speaker 6: to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, right,

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Speaker 6: And I've worked, I've been through what a lot of

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Speaker 6: these people and That's what I get to talk to

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Speaker 6: people about, is I've lived a life that a lot

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Speaker 6: of them have lived. I've taken snap benefits, i lived

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Speaker 6: in public housing with my mom as a kid, to

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Speaker 6: my house burned down. I've gone through what a lot

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Speaker 6: of these people are going through. And that's what they

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Speaker 6: can see themselves in me. That's what I think I

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Speaker 6: get to talk to them about.

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Speaker 1: Did they talk about mosque, do they see the Trump stuff?

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Speaker 1: Did they put it together?

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Speaker 4: They're putting it together.

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Speaker 6: So the Democrat Party has watched people like me walk

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Speaker 6: away from the party in droves for years, and they

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Speaker 6: left because they felt they were misrepresented and.

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Speaker 4: Lied to from the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 6: I'm hearing those same people with the same feelings that

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Speaker 6: drifted to independent or drifted to right. They feel duped

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Speaker 6: and they feel lied to, and they're not wrong. So

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Speaker 6: I think they're really having trouble with either party at

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Speaker 6: this point in trying to figure out where they belong,

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Speaker 6: and they're looking for somebody like me to represent them

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Speaker 6: in their issues.

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Speaker 4: So that's what I'm seeing when I'm talking to people.

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Speaker 4: That's the vibe I get from people. Those that did

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Speaker 4: drift are not looking for somewhere to go enter me.

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Speaker 4: I can give them that opportunity.

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Speaker 6: It's somebody just like them, not like you said earlier

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Speaker 6: in your statement, I'm not a career politician. I have

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Speaker 6: done some politics from the Union side, which helps, I think,

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Speaker 6: but my ability to work with the other side. They're

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Speaker 6: looking for somebody who's willing to go down there and

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Speaker 6: work with everybody. I don't think we're that much far

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Speaker 6: off from people like that.

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Speaker 4: We can't talk and work through things.

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Speaker 6: The divide that is driven the wedge that is being

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Speaker 6: driven in by the Trump administration itself, is to keep

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Speaker 6: people apart and to keep them from working together. I

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Speaker 6: think I'll scare them, and I think the people around

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Speaker 6: here are looking for that.

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Speaker 1: Do you see like MAGA flags as much as you

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Speaker 1: did the first time?

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Speaker 6: No, they're there, there's people there. There's still a red

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Speaker 6: hat here and there. But I mean the first time around,

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Speaker 6: it was everywhere like you couldn't avoid you, and those

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Speaker 6: that put it out out put ten of them out.

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Speaker 4: You know. Now it's like those that put it out

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Speaker 4: have one, they have a flag, you know.

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Speaker 6: I drove by a certain area that used to be

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Speaker 6: really really red and I drove through and I saw

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Speaker 6: one flag yard day hanging out and said, you know,

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Speaker 6: Trump twenty twenty four, and you know that was it.

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Speaker 2: Does anyone ever ask you about Epstein?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah.

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Speaker 6: More importantly, the guys in the firehouse, I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of them drifted right based on Epstein. They wanted transparency,

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Speaker 6: they wanted to see everything.

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Speaker 4: They are pissed.

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Speaker 6: They are really really angry that these assholds are keeping

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Speaker 6: the Epstein files locked up.

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Speaker 4: So they were sold the bill of goods and they

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Speaker 4: are realizing that exactly what it was, a bill of goods.

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Speaker 4: The people in the firehouse are not happy.

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Speaker 1: I write a lot about that case, and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot about how it is. It's the story of

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Speaker 1: like the worst thing that anyone could ever do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Trump himself spent years getting people excited about QAnon in

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Speaker 1: his own way, and then it turns out when it's

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Speaker 1: actually happening.

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Speaker 4: Again, this is just about anything they do. They're doing

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Speaker 4: it right in front of their face. They're not even

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Speaker 4: trying to hide it.

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Speaker 6: They're just like, yeah, we're not telling you, and that's

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Speaker 6: that and why are we not telling you?

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Speaker 4: Because we're all in it, like we're all part of it.

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Speaker 4: We were all part of this thing.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know that they thought it would ever

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Speaker 6: get to this point where they would have to release

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Speaker 6: them by court order. But even now they're playing the

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Speaker 6: games and how they're releasing them, what they're releasing them,

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Speaker 6: and you know, eventually it'll come. I just hope it's

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Speaker 6: not too late. We're talking about people that were children here.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's children, and it matters when you start

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Speaker 6: talking about children and women, and you know, it matters

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Speaker 6: to people, and they are they're mad, they're angry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: If you get into the house and you feel that

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Speaker 1: house leadership is not acting aggressively enough, will you push

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Speaker 1: to challenge leadership? Because one of the things I see

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Speaker 1: is once people are there, they just kind of want

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Speaker 1: to get along.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not me.

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Speaker 6: If I go and they don't like me, they'll primary me, right,

834
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Speaker 6: I mean, it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: They know what they're getting. I'm not hiding.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling them out right, like I expect people to

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Speaker 6: act a certain way when I get there.

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Speaker 4: I expect these things to be pushed. Because that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm telling people here. I will push and I'm gonna push, and.

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Speaker 6: If they don't like that. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 6: how you cannot push. I mean, ro Conna has been

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Speaker 6: a big pusher, right, He's been joined up with Thomas

843
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Speaker 6: Massey and he's endorsed this campaign also, So I know

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Speaker 6: I have friends waiting for me, if that makes sense,

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Speaker 6: you know, people that want me to push with them.

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Speaker 4: So I think it. I think it'll be fun. I

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Speaker 4: don't say it'll be fun, but it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get there, it's gonna be good. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if we get there there, I don't know, We're

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Speaker 4: gonna make some noise. I've never been shy in my life.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: It's great to talk to you. Also, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: No mo.

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Speaker 2: Rick Wilson, what is your moment of how Gray?

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Speaker 5: My moment of thuck this week is Pete Hegsath banning

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Speaker 5: US military members and Defense Department employees from going to

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Speaker 5: graduate schools at any well good university. So he is

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Speaker 5: banned it from going to places you might want military

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Speaker 5: officers to go to, like I don't know, Mit, University

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Speaker 5: of Chicago, Harvard. Yeah, he apparently thinks that they can

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Speaker 5: just do like praguer You online instead of actually going

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Speaker 5: to to a legitimate educational institution, including Georgetown, George Washington,

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Speaker 5: I mean everywhere. It was a long list about thirty

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Speaker 5: five colleges and all of them. If you're a parent,

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Speaker 5: you'd be like, I'd like my kid to go to

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Speaker 5: one of those.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of this whole story is that Pete

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Speaker 1: hagsas you may remember, went to Princeton.

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Speaker 5: Yes he did, and Harvard, Yes, come out. Apparently the

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Speaker 5: Wokeness didn't get to Pete.

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Speaker 1: If only it had, Jesus chrised, it's like a nightmare scenario.

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Speaker 5: Well, like I said, they're going to do pegger you online.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be great the best, Rick, thank you,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, of course that's it for this

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Speaker 1: episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday

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Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make

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Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.