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Speaker 6: Thanks Twitter and on Twitter and Blue Sky. Now we're

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Speaker 6: now smart down with the ship. Tyler and I are

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Speaker 6: both going down with the ship.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going broke ass man, like that little

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Speaker 5: Bro, We're gonna ride the ship out. Y'all going pay

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Speaker 5: the one dollar a year.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's where the newbies. Okay, that's how you

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Speaker 2: know he broke. He no better than try that ship whatever.

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Speaker 2: He's the broke guy who can't go back to the Bob.

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Speaker 2: He already asked for money. That's the page of broken

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Speaker 2: as he's at now.

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Speaker 6: Man, it's gonna be so awesome when he is literally

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Speaker 6: like twenty billion dollars in debt, because that's when you

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Speaker 6: go to the bank and you go, we have a problem,

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Speaker 6: not me, not me, We we have we gotta, we

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Speaker 6: gotta together.

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Speaker 5: So Spencer, man, you know we go back.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You are the first dude to give me internet money.

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Speaker 2: You know from my run with espudation. You know we've

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Speaker 2: kicked it. We've broken bread, done lunch like, we've eating

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Speaker 2: ribs together and shit like you are a very special

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Speaker 2: man in my life. Man, like you've given me money

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Speaker 2: and we've had barbecue together. Cares about it very suretless

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Speaker 2: some people who I can say that about really seriously, bro,

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Speaker 2: that's it the way to my heart. But you know,

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Speaker 2: college football is your shit. I think you are the

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Speaker 2: best fucking college football writer. You know, the Brols can

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Speaker 2: tell you that whenever you write some shit a group chat.

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Speaker 2: I'm just in the group chat fawning, or you like

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Speaker 2: Spencer spin this fucking guy. But how are you enjoying

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Speaker 2: the college football season?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 5: How's it going for you so far?

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Speaker 6: I like this one. This one's weird. This one's weird.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we're gonna end up with like pretty predictable

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Speaker 6: stay bad generally, But the way we're getting there is

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Speaker 6: why didn't I see that? Obviously they don't have a quarterback,

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Speaker 6: Powers is out to injury, and what kind of injury, Well,

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Speaker 6: You see some guy's leg fall off and they're like,

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Speaker 4: By predictable results, you mean like that who ends up

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you go end up with one like playoff with four,

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Speaker 6: you know, like Michigan. Yeah, Michigan's on the way. Like

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Speaker 6: Michigan if you haven't watched them, man, they're the bank,

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Speaker 6: like they are one hundred the bank. Like they are

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Speaker 6: going to take your farm. They're gonna take everything. They're

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Speaker 3: They're gonna take twitter back by the end of the season.

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Speaker 6: That's one's gotta run for Michigan because Michigan's like, we

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Speaker 5: What you're gonna do? Where do you feel Where are

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Speaker 6: How do you feel about the Dyon situation?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like they were obviously the hottest thing on the planet.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, they just lost, like they allowed,

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Speaker 6: You feel me.

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Speaker 1: We talked about, you know, fucking ying Yang Twins gonna

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Speaker 5: Uh, but at the next game, you feel me. You

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Speaker 1: It's we get Yung Jock, get him to drive his

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Speaker 5: You feel me?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, where you at with that man?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: They are at the chingey stage of fame, right and shout.

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Speaker 5: Out to say Louis.

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Speaker 1: But also we get it because we be making fun

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also you know, little Howard you weak? You

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love this, Like this is what real equality

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Speaker 6: is is when everybody gets to suck during a rebuild, right,

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Speaker 6: Like that's it, Like that's everybody got very excited when

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Speaker 6: So they just don't have This is a game of depth,

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Speaker 6: They were way better on offense than I thought they

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Speaker 6: to like that depth of the O line and D line.

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Speaker 6: that's astonishing. If I told you, like two years ago

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Speaker 6: exclusively on Colorado.

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Speaker 5: Craze Weaull.

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Speaker 6: This was a program that in the past twenty years

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that that down's overt youth already

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like like the way they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but you know it's it's just, you know,

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Speaker 5: So I'm interested to see how Dion handles it from here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they have made a brilliant move. They

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Speaker 6: you have a little extra wattage. Everybody loves Dion when

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Speaker 6: they meet him, like he's just super charismatic. He's that dude.

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Speaker 6: And in recruiting, that council for a lot. Like when

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Speaker 6: it's done. It's done right. Like maybe the anisle's like,

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Speaker 6: dude who's coaching in the cool shades and the hoodie, right, Like,

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Speaker 6: that's Nix. That's not going to be Nick Saban, Right,

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Speaker 6: that's not going to roll. That's not who you're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as being the greatest college football coach of all

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Speaker 6: It affords you a lot, right even at Alabama, but

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Speaker 4: I like that, And I like seeing Alabama not you know,

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Speaker 4: Like I like seeing the erosion offense. Like that's that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like like oh nine Bama, Right, I want like

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Speaker 6: If you want that, now you can go watch Iowa.

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Speaker 2: So I usually don't give a shit about the Heisman, right,

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma a freestyle me college football? Yes, oh you boys,

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Speaker 2: Because I saw that. I was like, bro, everyone from

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Speaker 5: Do you give a ship? Or where are you at?

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Speaker 6: I do? I have to be a little careful.

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Speaker 2: Because I am a Heisman voter, the sanctity of the

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Speaker 6: But if I was to talk about out end players

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Speaker 4: think all three of us have the desire to just

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Speaker 4: like drop the fact that you're getting paid to do

434
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Speaker 4: it and then run as far away from the conversation

435
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Speaker 4: as possible.

436
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Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's not like one of those podcasts.

437
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Speaker 4: But also I don't want to, like, I don't want

438
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Speaker 4: to answer any questions about podcasting.

439
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Speaker 6: Not one bit. Yeah you want to be like what

440
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Speaker 6: kind of a podcast do you have? And you go,

441
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Speaker 6: I don't tell people, right, I'm just like, oh, yeah,

442
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Speaker 6: I got a I got a podcast. You know.

443
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Speaker 2: Of course that is like the only time my name like,

444
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Speaker 2: I'm on Colin Cowher's network. Bro, it's I'm not recording

445
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Speaker 2: my mom's basement one of those podcast.

446
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Speaker 6: Or if I am, I am being paid.

447
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Speaker 3: Right right right, right, right, right right.

448
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Speaker 4: If I can get into some media geek stuff with you.

449
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Speaker 4: Tyler mentioned and I didn't know that you were the

450
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Speaker 4: Tyler's first paid writing work. That's crazy.

451
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Speaker 3: I knew.

452
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Speaker 4: I remember reading his stuff on esp Nation. But eSPI

453
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Speaker 4: Nation was such a special kind of like inflection point

454
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Speaker 4: in what has happened with sports media. It feels like

455
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Speaker 4: to me, like I feel like almost every sports writer

456
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Speaker 4: that I enjoy or really care about their writing went

457
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Speaker 4: through there at some point. I think most of them

458
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Speaker 4: while you were, you know, running the ship. How do

459
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Speaker 4: you feel like looking back on that era, like it.

460
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Speaker 4: It was such a turning point. It feels like including

461
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Speaker 4: unfortunately with the and I've got laid off from a

462
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Speaker 4: local newspaper that was purchased by private equity, so I'm

463
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Speaker 4: familiar with that part as well. But it feels like

464
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Speaker 4: it was like very representative of the overall shift that

465
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Speaker 4: happened in the national sports media.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm always loath to make big generalizations about

468
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Speaker 6: things that you're involved with, right because I grew up

469
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Speaker 6: watching a bunch of baby boomers path themselves on the

470
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Speaker 6: back for writing something that like a thousand people read. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 6: so you know, like, hey, yeah, man, we changed the world.

472
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Speaker 6: Fuck that, No, we didn't. Right, Like ten thousand people

473
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Speaker 6: enjoyed it, and that's fine. If ten thousand people enjoyed it,

474
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Speaker 6: that's enough for me. And I think that's kind of

475
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Speaker 6: the lesson I took from it, which was which was,

476
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Speaker 6: if you're writing for an audience, and that audience like

477
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Speaker 6: supporting what you do, you should find a way to

478
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Speaker 6: go ahead and just make ship for them. That's it, right,

479
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 6: Don't don't don't try to make something for nobody. Don't

480
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Speaker 6: try to make something for a super wide audience. You know,

481
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Speaker 6: I think that was one of the mistakes that a

482
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Speaker 6: lot of media companies made, and that Espionation made at times, right,

483
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Speaker 6: among a thousand other mistakes. You do look at you

484
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Speaker 6: do look back on it. I have a hard time

485
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Speaker 6: looking back at things and feeling good about them ever,

486
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Speaker 6: literally ever, Like I just look back and go, well,

487
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Speaker 6: here's the twenty five fucking things we did wrong, right, Sure,

488
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Speaker 6: So I do look back and if I see Tyler,

489
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Speaker 6: or if I see you know, if I see somebody

490
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Speaker 6: who worked there who went on to do cool things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Charles McDonald y, Yeah.

492
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Speaker 6: Yeah, A bunch of bunch of different people ended up

493
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Speaker 6: like at least using Espionation as a way station and

494
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 6: or maybe staying a little bit longer. And that's cool.

495
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Speaker 6: Like I I feel good about that. I don't feel

496
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Speaker 6: great about a lot of it because I'm too critical

497
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Speaker 6: of it, and I think with good reason for a

498
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Speaker 6: lot of it. But I feel good about it being

499
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Speaker 6: a point that was on somebody who's like journey up

500
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Speaker 6: towards doing what they they wanted to do.

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Speaker 5: For sure.

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Speaker 2: So so you know, speaking of journeys, like I remember

503
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Speaker 2: reading your story on how you actually got into writing,

504
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Speaker 2: and you were like, you were like trying to get

505
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Speaker 2: on like the FB hour, the CIA and you were

506
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Speaker 2: a CIA yeah, and you were just like, I don't

507
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Speaker 2: think this happened. Let me write about college pool. I

508
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Speaker 2: might be oversimplified it, but it was a while. Can

509
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Speaker 2: you tell them that way?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm an idiot. So you know, like somebody would go,

511
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Speaker 6: oh man, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and

512
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Speaker 6: you go, mm yep, that's exactly how it was down stupid. Yeah, like,

513
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 6: why not start a website because you're underemployed, But I couldn't.

514
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Speaker 6: You know, I always enjoyed writing, but I never knew

515
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Speaker 6: what to write about. And it turns out that I

516
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Speaker 6: really enjoyed writing about college football, which is when somebody says,

517
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Speaker 6: well what do I write about? I'm like, don't write

518
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Speaker 6: about your own life. Your own life is boring. Don't

519
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 6: don't do that. Don't don't write a coming of age

520
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Speaker 6: story unless you're one of like one of one hundred people.

521
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Speaker 6: Your coming of age story is probably pretty dull, so

522
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Speaker 6: and I'm not going to be really interested in it.

523
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Speaker 6: Write about something that you're interested in. Right about A

524
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Speaker 6: third thing? I always thought that that's like, don't write

525
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Speaker 6: about yourself, don't necessarily even be a profile or write

526
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Speaker 6: about another person. Write about the third thing right, about

527
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Speaker 6: like something out of remove, you know, because that's like

528
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Speaker 6: when I write about bigger things, I always thought it

529
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Speaker 6: was interesting to take the back door. Right. You can't

530
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Speaker 6: say I'm gonna write about a big important thing because

531
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Speaker 6: the big important thing. People are like, I don't want

532
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Speaker 6: to listen about the big important thing. I don't want

533
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Speaker 6: to learn, but instead take the back door, take a

534
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Speaker 6: trap door, right, start with a small thing and then

535
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Speaker 6: sort of build the big thing. So that's how I

536
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Speaker 6: got into it, and I still like, that's the thing

537
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 6: about the newsletter that I enjoyed, so that you can

538
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Speaker 6: just go, Okay, I'm gonna write about this one small

539
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Speaker 6: thing and maybe build something bigger if I can.

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Speaker 1: Your writing doesn't feel like I'm reading about sports though,

541
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I mean, I mean,

542
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Speaker 1: it does, but it also feels different, like you know

543
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Speaker 1: what I mean, where it's like I can it comes

544
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Speaker 1: from a particular curiosity that I guess most people don't

545
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Speaker 1: come from, you know what I mean, Like my favorite

546
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Speaker 1: sports writers. You know, when I read it, I don't

547
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm reading about sports, not sports sports sports.

548
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Speaker 6: It's like a.

549
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Speaker 1: Particular like beauty that comes with your writing, like you know,

550
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Speaker 1: like and for me when you were talking about you

551
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Speaker 1: were interested in like like Formula one, you know what

552
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like it was like, of course he's interested

553
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Speaker 1: in Formula one. I can tell in his writing that

554
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Speaker 1: he's just so curious about so many things, you know

555
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like where did that curiosity come from?

556
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Speaker 1: And where did your approach to writing come from?

557
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Speaker 6: Boredom. I get bored very easily, So Boredem's really good

558
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Speaker 6: for some people. I think it's good for me because

559
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Speaker 6: it means I'm about to get interested in something or

560
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to find something to be interested in, you know,

561
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Speaker 6: Like Formula one. It combines so many of my favorite things. Speed,

562
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Speaker 6: a little bit of danger, international intrigue, scams. There's a

563
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Speaker 6: lot of scams in Formula one right, Like they're just

564
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Speaker 6: a couple of years removed from having a totally fake

565
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Speaker 6: company sponsor a team rich energy. Go look them up.

566
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Speaker 6: They were an energy drink company that I think made

567
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Speaker 6: like one can of energy. That's it Atlantis King and

568
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Speaker 6: is that Elizabeth Blaxton Blackston. She wrote they co wrote

569
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Speaker 6: a book called Rich Energy, which you should check out,

570
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Speaker 6: is about this entire thing. So like anytime you can

571
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Speaker 6: do that, like why wouldn't you be interested in that?

572
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Speaker 6: Like I am fascinated by anything where you go in

573
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Speaker 6: and you go these people or nuts, right, like why

574
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 6: why is anyone doing this? And that to me is

575
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Speaker 6: like a great starting point when you go, Okay, it's

576
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it's Elizabeth Blackstock and the last King. I

577
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Speaker 6: want to get it right, racing with Rich Energy. It

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: is the wildest story and you should absolutely read it, definitely.

579
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Speaker 6: But I love anything like that, Like I even the NFL,

580
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Speaker 6: Like it's very easy for me to make fun of

581
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Speaker 6: the NFL because the NFL is so corporate. The NFL

582
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Speaker 6: is run by lunatics, like like owners themselves. Like if

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Speaker 6: you just start with owners, you just feel like like

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Speaker 6: I'm like, Jim Irsay is an important figure, Yeah in

585
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Speaker 6: the NFL. That's a wild starting point. Yes, you know,

586
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 6: Jerry Jones is an important figure in the NFL. Really, really,

587
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Speaker 6: that dude is one of the paragons of the league's

588
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Speaker 6: management and guidance.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, right, exactly.

590
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going back to what John said about

591
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Speaker 2: how it doesn't feel like you're reading about sports, like,

592
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Speaker 2: you know, I feel what he's saying, because it's like

593
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Speaker 2: you will take something that has nothing to do with sports,

594
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: and then it all comes back in the n and

595
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Speaker 2: it ties into sports.

596
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Speaker 5: Right.

597
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Speaker 2: Like one of my favorite pieces from you is you

598
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Speaker 2: know that series you did on mascots, And one of

599
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Speaker 2: my favorite pieces is Buffalo, where you know you were

600
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Speaker 2: tying in how basically, you know, the American Buffalo is

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: kind of a symbol of America's excess and kluttony and

602
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: savagery during the expansion period, during the manifest destiny or

603
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: all that shit, and the Buffalo Soldiers, and how you

604
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: tie that into Jack Trice, who was, you know, one

605
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Speaker 2: of the first black college football players and got killed

606
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Speaker 2: on the field for Iowa State, and i was State

607
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: named the stadium after him, right, and it all comes

608
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: together perfectly. So yeah, that's what I enjoyed about your

609
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Speaker 2: riding too. But meanwhilehile we've got you here and you

610
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Speaker 2: are one of the world's biggest buffalo advocates. You know,

611
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Speaker 2: we we did have any peace breads, And I felt

612
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Speaker 2: like I picked the Bison as by once hed I

613
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Speaker 2: felt like, I got a lot of pushback all that,

614
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Speaker 2: and I went on the world. That's what I'm saying.

615
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Speaker 2: I went in the world. I think it's bison advocates

616
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Speaker 2: here to you know, back me up on that. If

617
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Speaker 2: you don't mind. Yeah, they don't know. That's the thing.

618
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Speaker 2: People don't know. Shit, they don't know. They've never run

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Speaker 2: up on an animal in the wild, and then if

620
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Speaker 2: they saw it, they would drastically revise their opinion. Now,

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Speaker 2: buffalo way with numbers, right, Like, that's the thing. Like

622
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Speaker 2: one bison, that's a lot. It's a lot. Like they're

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Speaker 2: just made of muscle.

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Speaker 6: If you come up close to them, choose an issue,

625
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Speaker 6: three avoid like just don't right, if there's three of them.

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Speaker 6: They can't keep fences like I don't know if you

627
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Speaker 6: know this. They can jump like they can jump like

628
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Speaker 6: they can clear and eat foot fence so or they

629
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Speaker 6: could just run through it. That's also happened. You can

630
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Speaker 6: attack them with lightning, right, which happens to herds. Still

631
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Speaker 6: not going to hurt the herd, just going to take

632
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Speaker 6: a couple of them. Sometimes they even survive. There's a

633
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Speaker 6: bison right now I think in Wyoming that got struck

634
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Speaker 6: by lightning. That's got a pattern where the lightning hit it,

635
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Speaker 6: but it lived right exactly. It is a delicious That's

636
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Speaker 6: what I was. The sounds delicious, right, Yeah, like they're

637
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Speaker 6: just unless you have an organized campaign using firearms like

638
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Speaker 6: we had in the nineteenth century, it's real hard to

639
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Speaker 6: kill them, right, So like people like what were other animals?

640
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Speaker 6: And people push back on though, No, that's not that tough.

641
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Speaker 6: Like I know George Foster, I love George. George is like, yeah,

642
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Speaker 6: I could, I could take a gorilla. NOI no, you, no,

643
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Speaker 6: you could not. I know that you're an NFL veteran.

644
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Speaker 6: I know that your biggest help and you're super strong

645
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Speaker 6: and fast, okay, on a level that most humans can't comprehend.

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Speaker 6: You ever been near a gorilla, like even in the zoo?

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Speaker 3: No, isn't he an old lineman?

648
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Speaker 6: Though he's a tackle, right, he's a tackle, So I'm

649
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Speaker 6: not there. It wouldn't be they're different.

650
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Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't. It wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't be a contest.

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Speaker 1: But I understand that coming from that man, you know

653
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Speaker 1: what I mean, it makes more sense than.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't put money on it. And I think George

655
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: is the most capable person of engaging and there we

656
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 6: got right. And I still wouldn't put money on it, right,

657
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 6: because they're just that strong. If you've ever, like I,

658
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Speaker 6: if you ever been near a bear in the wild

659
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: or a moose, I've been near both of them.

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00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 5: Black bear, not a brown bear.

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00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I have actually been near a herd of bison

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Speaker 4: in the wild, Spencer, Are you aware that there's a

663
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: herd of one hundred and fifty bison on Catalina Island

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Speaker 4: off the coast of Long Beach, Because in the twenties

665
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: someone brought five of them there and they got up

666
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: to like six hundred and the herd grows and shrinks

667
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: as at once because they can't kill it. They can't

668
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Speaker 4: do anything.

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Speaker 6: Then, yeah, there's like that's one of Like I think

670
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 6: they have free range over Catalina. There's one in Alaska

671
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 6: that's a free right range. That's it's yes, it's a

672
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 6: they're cut in by they're hemmed in by two rivers basically,

673
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 6: so they just range between them and you can get Hey,

674
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 6: there's a book by Kinsella about American buffalo, which is

675
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 6: a great book, but it's about hunting one. Because you

676
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: can get a license to hunt them, and they're like

677
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: it's it's harder to get into than Harvard, and you know,

678
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 6: it's like this this ticket that you win and he

679
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 6: got one, and it's about going and getting one. But anyway, like, yeah,

680
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 6: you don't want any part of them, and you don't

681
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 6: want any far wild animals generally, like I've been near

682
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 6: I was with my kids in Colorado and moose are quiet.

683
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know. Moose are like stealthy.

684
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 6: So we're in the woods and we're walking to this

685
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 6: marsh which is where moose like to hang out, and

686
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 6: I thought, well, shit, I'm not gonna be able to

687
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 6: see it, and I'm just gonna walk right up on it.

688
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 6: It'll be too late. And right when I fought that

689
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 6: six feet from us is this like big bull moose grazing.

690
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 6: She was just kind of back up because you didn't

691
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 6: even hear receiving them extremely acts, right, Yeah, they'll kick

692
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 6: your ass. Yeah they will.

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00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: One taller moose because they look like they're like seven

694
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: feet when I see them.

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're ridiculously tall. If you're driving through the woods

696
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 6: in like New England and you just see like four

697
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 6: sticks duck because you're about to hit one, and it's

698
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 6: going to absolutely destroy your car because the car is

699
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 6: because the whole torso is just going to them down

700
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 6: right on your windshield. So yeah, they're massive and they're quiet.

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00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: They're so stealthy if you're hunting one. They do have

702
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 6: a habit of just disappearing like you just don't know

703
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 6: where they went, which it seems.

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00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Improbable with the pounds, and they're just disappeared fifteen disappearing.

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, just messy.

706
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Speaker 6: Because they hang out like they do not hang out,

707
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 6: and they open a whole lot. They hang out in

708
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 6: like dense woods and lakes. If you see them get

709
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 6: out of a lake, this one, you realize how big

710
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 6: they are because you'll see one in a lake and

711
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 6: you go, oh man, that's cool. I'm in a canoe.

712
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 6: I'm good. And then you see the it get out

713
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 6: and the water brooches around them, like the water swells.

714
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: It looks like like it looks like a ship right

715
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: just pushing like pushing like five inches of water out

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Speaker 6: ahead of them. It's nuts.

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00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like that one clip of that moose just effortlessly running

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Speaker 2: through like three feet of snow, I was like, what

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Speaker 2: that's nightmare few, bro, I will never.

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Speaker 6: That was my big tech away from y'all's wild Animal

722
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 6: bracket was people don't know shit, oh yeah, I got this.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, no, no, you have no idea what you're.

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Speaker 2: Doing with the beast bracket, Like, like, do you have

725
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: in an animal that you felt got the raws deal?

726
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Because I think I'm on the side of twenty five wolverines.

727
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: I think they probably got the rass deal.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the problem with wolverines is teamwork. You know.

730
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Speaker 6: That's kind of a it's what I call tigers. It's

731
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Speaker 6: a single serving animal. They're not super social. You know,

732
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 6: although wolverines have a this is where an animal geek out.

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 6: Wolverines have a cool thing where you know, normally in

734
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 6: the animal kingdom, dad's dads don't stick around. Dads don't

735
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 6: there's no custody agreement, there's nothing that dad's jet. Wolverines

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00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 6: will sometimes meet their kids, like the male wolverines will

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 6: like hunt with them later, like, come along with dad

738
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 6: and we'll hunt to we'll hunt some rabbits and they'll

739
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 6: do that, which I thought was like that along with

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 6: bears enjoying scenic spots, there's no reason bear should enjoy

741
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 6: scenic spots, but apparently sometimes brown bears and grizzly bears

742
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 6: will just post up on the top of a hill like, well,

743
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 6: surely they're hunting in the biology birth.

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00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 4: They'll like go, They'll post up and just sit there.

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00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 6: Will just bears will like a retiree, just post up

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 6: on a hill like love hate ducking that ship ahead.

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Speaker 4: That's a life for me, all right, Spencer, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for hopping on with us man again H E. D. S. B.

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Speaker 3: S on Twitter. Yes, we got it.

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Speaker 4: Channel six newsletter obviously the pollcast as well. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 4: and we appreciate you hopping on.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you, my appreciate you.

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