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Speaker 1: You are listening to Dear Movies, I Love.

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Speaker 4: You, and I've got to know you love me to

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Speaker 3: This is Dear Movies, I Love You, the podcast for

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Speaker 1: Let's go, would that be okay? Uh huh? King of

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Speaker 1: like knows the history of comedy, he knows all the

435
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: facts and figures of comedy. He's obsessed with every little

436
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: detail about it. But just because you're obsessed with comedy

437
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: doesn't make you funny, you know, one hundred percent? I

438
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: think I think I think that's the that that's we

439
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: sort of run into that a little bit in this movie,

440
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, and it is, but it is there is

441
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: something kind of particularly tragic about someone who is like

442
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with funniness but doesn't understand comedy. You know. Well, yes,

443
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: that's exactly I think what I wanted to bring up.

444
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you see eye to eye with me.

445
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: There's something like extra delulu about somebody.

446
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: Who thinks they're super funny, yes.

447
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: Like believes it enough to like push the agenda onto

448
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: people and like want to have a career. Uh, and

449
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: and going going to the links that Rupert Pupkin does

450
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: in King of Comedy, which is that he thinks he's

451
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: like the funniest stand up of all time and wants

452
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: to have a set on Jerry's show.

453
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Right. He wants to be the.

454
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: King of Comedy, the King.

455
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. But and it's interesting because it doesn't seem like

456
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: he particularly works, Like we don't see him like really

457
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: working on his act or even ever performing his act. Sure,

458
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: so he wants to be the King of Comedy without

459
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: really like doing any of the steps he thinks he is.

460
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: He is the King of Comedy, yes, and so he

461
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: should just be put on TV, right, And like.

462
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: That to me is a darker delusion than somebody who

463
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: thinks that they're just like really nice, because in a

464
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: weird way, I think everybody wants to be funny? Am

465
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: I right about this? Not everybody wants to be nice?

466
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: And a lot of people would classify themselves as an

467
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: asshole or a bitch or whatever as part of a

468
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: personality trait, like I'm a bitch.

469
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, you're so right. Everybody thinks they are

470
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: funny or they want to be. I think everyone thinks

471
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: they're funny.

472
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: Actually, that's what I'm saying, is that I think that

473
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: that's what to me makes Rupert Pupkin scary. Is the

474
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: idea that he like, he's just obsessed with this idea

475
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: that he's hilarious. Yeah, which which is what makes and

476
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: this is again spoiler alerts for anybody who hasn't seen

477
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: this movie from nineteen eighty two. I'm just gonna throw

478
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: out that and we're gonna spoil it a little bit,

479
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: but it's sort of what makes the scene towards the

480
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: end where he actually does a routine.

481
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: Now, whether or not.

482
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: The routine is actually happening or is in his own frickin'

483
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: head is another story. But the idea that his routine

484
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: is so not funny, like it's.

485
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: Just sort of like, well, that's what I wanted to

486
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: actually ask you, because it is sort of confusing when

487
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: you're watching him do his routine, yeah, because they're not

488
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: like funny jokes, but you're like, Okay, I can see

489
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: this is structurally a joke, but then some of them

490
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: are kind of darker and like you're kind of like, eh,

491
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: but in the world of the movie, people are laughing

492
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: really hard. So I guess my question is is that

493
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: do you think that is supposed to be actually funny

494
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: or is it supposed to be sort of unclear if

495
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: this is really funny or not? Do you know what

496
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And then also inherently it's kind of a

497
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: bigger question. Being funny is sort of a uh, you know,

498
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: a subjective thing too, But what do you think, well,

499
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: what do you think that it's trying? There? They're saying

500
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: that that performance is so.

501
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: Via the movie plot, I feel like the stand up

502
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: performance is a way to show you a It gives

503
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: you every all the reasons as to why he's so

504
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: fucked up, right because he kind of goes into that

505
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: dark family history alcoholism rant and you're like, Okay, this

506
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: is the tragedy behind the clown. I think we know

507
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 3: that now, and maybe that's why he's so obsessive and

508
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: so unaware of how he annoys people is because he

509
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 3: just had bad socialization and bad family stuff. Right, So

510
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: I think that's the device that they use to explain

511
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: him a little bit sure, But I also think too

512
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: that the idea, I think it's almost perfect because it's

513
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: like you see this person throughout the course of this

514
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: movie being so confident in his comedy chops and then

515
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: his set is so milk toast. But yet there's this

516
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: like overblown reaction via like this late night crowd, and

517
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: I think it does make you wonder.

518
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

519
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: I think the brilliant in it is that it's bullshit.

520
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: It's still bullshit, like he's not super funny. But also

521
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: the idea that people are canned laughing at him is

522
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: kind of humiliating in a weird, roundabout way.

523
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? And that but that and

524
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: that he's taking it as like, see, I am the

525
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: King of Comedy. They're laughing at me, but it's like

526
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: they're in a studio audience where there's probably a laugh

527
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: sign or applause sign and yeah, and from that point,

528
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: but you're also kind of like is this happening right?

529
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's again that.

530
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: This kind of like extra layer of brilliance because you're

531
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: almost like is this in his mind? Because there's so

532
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: many The thing I love about the King of Comedy

533
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: is that it doesn't really give you a lot of

534
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: like temporal cues as to like what's happening, Like you're like,

535
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: is this happening in real time or is this like

536
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: his delusion? It only is like until you scope out

537
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: over the minutes of the scene that you're like, oh,

538
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: he's talking to himself because then his mom inserts herself

539
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: in the conversation or whatever.

540
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have these like it's actually really confusing.

541
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: When you watch it for the first time, you're like, oh, wow,

542
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Jerry Langford like is meeting with him and like really

543
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: likes him. They don't really telegraph immediately that this is

544
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: a fantasy sequence. It is completely shown the same way

545
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: as reality. But they're like these outrageous scenes where like

546
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Langford is like you've got it, You've got it,

547
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get rid of it if you wanted to.

548
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: They're so talented, you're the guy, you know, and and

549
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: at first you're watching it and you're like, oh, he's

550
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: doing well. He's like that's great, Like it feels like reality,

551
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: but it takes a minute for you to be like, oh,

552
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: this isn't reality. So the end, it's sort of the

553
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: same way. You're kind of but it never comes back

554
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: to reality.

555
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Right, you know, you know, like you're wondering whether or

556
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: not he actually went into the bar to like turn

557
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: the TV on. I mean it becomes this whole like

558
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 3: did this actually happen or not. I Mean, the thing

559
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: that's really interesting to me about watching The King of Comedy.

560
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Well several things.

561
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Number One, I actually did an event with Jerry Lewis,

562
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: like right before he died.

563
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Whoa. Yeah.

564
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 3: It was on the TCM Classic Cruise, and it was

565
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: a huge deal that he was there because he wasn't

566
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: really like showing his face much at that time.

567
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: You know. And I mean he's known for not being

568
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: the most friendly in real life.

569
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I can say confidently that I didn't want to

570
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: be anywhere near him. I was scared because of what

571
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: I said earlier is that I was I was afraid

572
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: he was just going to decimate me, Like he was

573
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: just gonna take a look at me and be like,

574
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: who the fuck is this bitch? Get the fuck out

575
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: of here. I'm like, here's your water, sir. Like I

576
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: didn't want to be I didn't want to interact with

577
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: him because I was terrified that he was going to

578
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: be mean to me. But he is a fucking star.

579
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: I mean my parents went on that cruise. I like

580
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: brought my parents on that crew, and when they found

581
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 3: out that he was going to be there, my dad

582
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: was like, holy fucking shit, Jerry Lewis is on the boat.

583
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, like he's he's on the boat.

584
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: He's on the boat.

585
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: And he was like you know, from all accounts, and

586
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: this is again like I did not have I did

587
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: not have extended periods of interaction with him. I was

588
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: like in like green rooms with him and like backstage

589
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 3: with him at certain points and you know, like give

590
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: him nods, but I wasn't like having a full on

591
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: conversation with him. Sure, he was like a star. I

592
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: mean he was Jerry Lewis, the star, and he held

593
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: court like.

594
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: That you know, that's what you want, That's that's what

595
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: you want.

596
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: And he was hard to work with from some accounts

597
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 3: from people that I worked, sure, hard interviews. I think

598
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: the interviews were.

599
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Hard from what I heard.

600
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: But it's it's crazy because I do think that that type,

601
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: like that type of celebrity, the old school entertainer celebrity.

602
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that shit is going, that's that's that's

603
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: going going, if not completely gone by this point.

604
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: The yeah, you know, and part of what I love

605
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: about the King of Comedy is watching Jerry Lewis.

606
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: To me, this was the first time when I first.

607
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: Watched this movie that I saw Jerry Lewis as not

608
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: like the fucking nutty professor or whatever. He was like, yeah,

609
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 3: kind of like a gangster. Like he was very serious,

610
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: and I love his like the way that he kind

611
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: of walks through the scenes, like with his rings and

612
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: a cigarette and is like, you know, his suits and everything,

613
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: his slick back hair. I was like, man, what a

614
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: fucking badass. He looks like he should be in a

615
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: Mafia movie or something.

616
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: He really, I mean, he is a presence in that

617
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: movie though. I mean, he feels like a movie star,

618
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: and he is playing like a star in the movie.

619
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: But he really does carry himself with such a GRAVI

620
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: toss that it's kind of amazing. You're kind of like,

621
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: I can't believe Jerry Lewis is in this movie. Like

622
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: while I was watching, I was like, I can't believe

623
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: they got him to do this. Yeah, I mean, it's.

624
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: It's such a like being somebody who has worked in

625
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: the kind of classic Hollywood world for so long and

626
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: seeing these types of old school Hollywood celebrities like the

627
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: old school Hollywood stars are just of a different ilk.

628
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: These are people that are not trying to give you

629
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: a glimpse of their true selves on TikTok or something.

630
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: These are people who absolutely are trying to breathe a

631
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: rarefied air.

632
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

633
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: Like this is just it's just the nature of the

634
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: way that Hollywood used to be. It was all about

635
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: like fantasy worlds and you know, dream building. It wasn't

636
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: about being of the people necessarily.

637
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: So I do feel like I feel like there are

638
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: very few movie stars who are like that now. Yes,

639
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Like I do kind of consider my dear friend Leonardo

640
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: DiCaprio as like we don't really get a peek in

641
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: to hit who he is as a human. Yes, in

642
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: the way that he's not on social media, he's not

643
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: doing TikTok dances exactly. He's he's just kind of up

644
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: in the in the hills, you know, away from us

645
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: normal people, exactly.

646
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: And I think that that, I mean, there have been

647
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 3: articles that I've read that have said something very similar

648
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: to that, which is that Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt or

649
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: something like that kind of era of are the last

650
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: quote unquote movie stars. Like now, to be a movie star,

651
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: you're really just kind of put into like a social

652
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: media machine and you're required to do viral TikTok dances

653
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: and make like, you know, weird mema chunke it quotes

654
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. But it's like you're not

655
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: allowed to be mysterious, you know, yeah, like it doesn't

656
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: help your career to be mysterious, Like you have to

657
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: be out there and you.

658
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: Know, well, and you were kind of alluding to this earlier,

659
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: how this now being you're now exposed as like a

660
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: human more on social media. You're putting forth this image

661
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: of humanity on social media, but that also is a construct,

662
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, And it would almost be more heartbreaking if

663
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I follow this celebrity I love on

664
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: Instagram and they're so funny and personal on the Instagram,

665
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: and then I encountered them in real life and they

666
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: were awful. It's kind of like what is real? You know,

667
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, maybe I suck. You know. It's a

668
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: different type of obfuscation between you know, celebrities and regular people.

669
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: Now, well, right, and like I think most I'm just

670
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 3: I'm going to speak to you know what I've seen

671
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: in the kind of like fandom that I've seen online

672
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: specifically for like K pop stars. Right, it's like these

673
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: K pop fans want to know like where these celebrities,

674
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: like how they feel on politics and how where they

675
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: where they choose to you know, donate money, and it

676
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: becomes like a huge issue for them and you know,

677
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: the brands that they interact with, and also like the

678
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: way they like will take videos of interviews and like

679
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: break them down to like molecular you know, it's like

680
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: Zapruder film type of analysis where you're just like did

681
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: he say.

682
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: That he was pan sexual? I don't know if he said.

683
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: That in that, but you're taking it and you're like,

684
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, basically trying to prove points with this, like

685
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: you know these interview the interview footage or whatever. And

686
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: I feel like that is the cost of revealing yourself,

687
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: Like in order to like come off that like Hollywood

688
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: cloud of being unknown and unknowable, you have to create

689
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: content which will now be sort of used to valuate

690
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: you in some weird way. And you don't have privacy anymore.

691
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: You certainly don't have anything that allows you to escape

692
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: it unless you just simply don't have social media, but

693
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: people still find ways to like figure you out, you know,

694
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: and so.

695
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: It's very like it's I don't know.

696
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it's again, I feel like you and I

697
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: perhaps are like opted out of it because we're not.

698
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Strong fans of things, I guess.

699
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: But if I was really, really, really into something, I

700
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: don't know what I would expect. I don't know if

701
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: I would expect that they would give me the time

702
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: of day if I saw them public or like, yeah,

703
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

704
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: It becomes so complicated now too, because I think about

705
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: during like the George Floyd stuff, it's like every celebrity

706
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: felt the need to say black Lives matter or post

707
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: about comment on it, you know. And on one hand,

708
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's nice to know where they stand.

709
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: If they don't say anything, I feel like they don't

710
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: support black lives matter. But at the same time, is

711
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: it some sitcom actor's job to be telling telegraphing to

712
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: the world. They're personal and political beliefs at all times,

713
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: you know. It's like these aren't elected officials, right, you know.

714
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's a complicated thing, right, And

715
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: it's I.

716
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: Guess it's just that people want to feel good about

717
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: out standing celebrities. Yeah, wish, I think. Never, It just

718
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: didn't occur to me to even feel that way. Like

719
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: I again, I think I just came from this like

720
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: very old school interpretation of what I thought celebrity was,

721
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: which is that these are people who.

722
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: Are again rarefied. They're in la la land.

723
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: They're probably doing and saying and thinking things that have

724
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: nothing to do with me, and.

725
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: I just had to take what they do at that

726
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: kind of face value.

727
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: But there was never a moment where I was like,

728
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: I wonder if Jordan Knight from the Nukaus on the

729
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: Block feels similarly about you know whatever, Jerrymander, you know whatever,

730
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: game errors, jerrymandering, fill in the blank. Like it just

731
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: never occurred to me, and I was and you know, now,

732
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: I just think that thing has become so bust wide

733
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: open that I think that people want to be they

734
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: want their celebrities to be like them, which is yeah, very.

735
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Seems very strange to me personally, but me too, me too,

736
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: I have Can I go back to the movie real quick?

737
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: What we're talking about a movie? Huh? I want to

738
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: talk about Masha Helly Sander Bernhard's character. Yes, she's very

739
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: interesting to me because we meet her where she like

740
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: throws herself in the back of Jerry Langford blimusy and

741
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: it's like carry out, Like I'm not even entrely sure

742
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: what she's trying to accomplish. It almost seems like she's

743
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: trying to bite him, and you know, and she agrees

744
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: to kidnap Jerry Langford, but it's kind of unclear what

745
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: she gets out of this. She just wants to have

746
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: dinner with him, she wants to have sex with him.

747
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't know what she wants.

748
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: What do you think Masha wants.

749
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: I think she wants to definitely have sex with him.

750
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I think she wants to like and.

751
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: You know, what's really what's really interesting too about the

752
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: uh Jerry Lewis character Jerry Langford, is that his character

753
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 3: is set up to effectively be kind of a lonely guy.

754
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's eating dinner alone, he's walking around the city alone.

755
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he puts his little Pomeranian or whatever, the silky

756
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: terrier dog on the dinner chair.

757
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: It's like his only meal companion.

758
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: So it kind of in that way sets up this

759
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: interesting dynamic between him and some way like Masha, who

760
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: is like this person is just like completely obsessed with

761
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: him and wants to like you know, date him and

762
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: be with him, devour him perhaps, and perhaps you know,

763
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: there's this moment where you're like, what does he think

764
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: about this? Is this? Like I mean, he's scared obviously,

765
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: but there's a moment where it is like the.

766
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: Feeling of.

767
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: Would would he in another circumstance want to date somebody

768
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: like her? Like what does she think that he needs her?

769
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: Like she's projecting all these feelings on him, like, oh

770
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 3: my god, he's so lonely and he's not married or something.

771
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: Maybe I need to like be his wife or something.

772
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't know where she's like.

773
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 3: You know, I think like Rupert, on the other hand,

774
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: is not in love with Jerry. I think he wants

775
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: his place in the sun and Jerry is going to

776
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: give it to him.

777
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: He almost wants to eat Jerry too, in a different

778
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: way that he like wants to consume him and become him. Yes,

779
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Like he feels like he is kind of in his

780
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: almost like he's in his spot. Yeah.

781
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: Well, I will say that Samcha Birdheart in this movie

782
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: is so good and I can't believe she.

783
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: Didn't win an oscar for it. She's great, She's really great.

784
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: I love when she like runs out of his apartment

785
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: in her underwear, just like chasing him down the block.

786
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: Jay, Let's do something crazy, Let's do something. IM feeling

787
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: so impulsive to that. Let's crazy. She's so iconic, man,

788
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: I love you. It's great. I know I wanted more

789
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: of her in the movie, and I just love that.

790
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: It's funny too. Rupert and her and all these losers

791
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: that are waiting outside. Now that everybody who's uh wants

792
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: an autograph is a loser, but these loser weirdos who

793
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: are hanging outside of Jerry Langford studio to try to

794
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: get an autograph to see Jerry. He walks up. Everybody

795
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: knows him because he's like an autograph hawk, and they're like, hey, Rupert,

796
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: how are you And He's like, I'm not I'm not here.

797
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm just passing through. He doesn't want to be associated

798
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: with these people, you know, but he is one of

799
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: those people you know. And it's like, oh my god,

800
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: they're both because both he and Mash are both like

801
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not like you, I'm not pathetic like you you're pathetic.

802
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm not pathetic. Like they're doing that the whole time.

803
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: It's so funn Oh my god.

804
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: That is such a fucking dark world. Is like the

805
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: fandom world where they the fan the fans that create

806
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: hierarchies between them and other fans.

807
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Like when you hear about.

808
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: Like people who will go to like concerts and then

809
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: start cutting or like you know, they take it upon

810
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: themselves that they're all.

811
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: Like moderator types.

812
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: They're all like, well, I'm a better fan than you,

813
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: so I'm going to organize this little scenario. And I've

814
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: seen that at concerts where people will go and see

815
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: a band and then like get there super early to

816
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: run to the front of the barrier and then they're

817
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: like policing other people behind um.

818
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: And I love that they like speak on behalf of

819
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: the artists. They're like, you know, Jerry wouldn't want that.

820
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Jerry lightly like know his personality and his desires, like

821
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: let's do this, Like Jerry wouldn't appreciate that, so like

822
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: cut it out. Let me let me tell you.

823
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: Working at TCM for nineteen years, I saw this shit constantly.

824
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: And I'm not just saying with celebrities but also with

825
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: the channel, like people love TCM so badly that they're

826
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: doing this type of stuff and you're just sort of like,

827
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, like this is kind of nutty to me,

828
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's because I worked there, but

829
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: it was also like just kind of like it's it's

830
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: just like again the raw passion of people who.

831
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Likes weird shit. I mean, the thing about.

832
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: Liking old celebrities and old movies. I mean, this is

833
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: not an everyday thing. And I used to tell people

834
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: that at my job. I used to be like, we

835
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: are in a bubble and when the minute you walk

836
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: out of this bubble, you will realize that nobody likes

837
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: black and white movies, Like we are the only nerds

838
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: that like this shit, and like, just be aware, be

839
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: aware of this because.

840
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: It can get dark real fast. And oh my god,

841
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: that's so funny. I was thinking maybe we could end

842
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: this combo with just talking about a few other obsessed

843
00:48:59,239 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: fan movies.

844
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: Sure, some of the ones that were coming to mind.

845
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I've talked about some of these movies

846
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: on I saw what you did.

847
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Some of them, I have it.

848
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: I wish that we maybe will talk about them one day,

849
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: but I think, you know, one of the biggest ones

850
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: is probably Misery from nineteen ninety. We talked about Dr Fan,

851
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: which is the West German film from nineteen eighty two.

852
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: I feel like we should watch that. I only want

853
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: to watch, I know, but it's impossible to find. I mean,

854
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: it's not streaming anywhere. But we should do it. We

855
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: should do it. Actually, we should do it for a show.

856
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: We should. Yeah, I like that movie a lot.

857
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: I used to like love this movie when I was

858
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 3: in college because I was a radio DJ. But Play

859
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: Misty for Me from nineteen seventy one with Clint Eastwood.

860
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: That's a that's a good one, kind of scary. Now

861
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: we've talked about Bona from nineteen eighty already. We brought

862
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: up Ingrid Goes West from twenty seventeen, which.

863
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: That's a really good one because that's particular fandom on

864
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: social that's like being a fan of an influencer, which

865
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: I feel like is a different category altogether. Yes, for sure.

866
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 3: And then I don't know if you remember Big Fan

867
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: from two thousand and nine with Pat and OLL's Oh yeah, yeah,

868
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 3: that's like a sports thing that's really interesting as well.

869
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: But I gotta tell you, I think my favorite is

870
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: the documentary I Think We're Alone Now from two thousand

871
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: and eight that featured the people that were obsessed with

872
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 3: Tiffany the sayer Tiffany.

873
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not familiar with this one.

874
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you must watch It is fantastic. And

875
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this because I was a huge Tiffany

876
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: fan when I was in elementary school, so it made

877
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: a little easier for me to digest because I was like, oh,

878
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: I loved Tiffany when I was sure, you know, in

879
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: fourth grade. But then you watch these This documentary is

880
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: so brilliant because it kind of allows the people that

881
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: are obsessed with her or just sort of like breathe,

882
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: like they give it a wide berth. So it's really

883
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: like they're putting themselves out there and they're showing you

884
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: who the how they love.

885
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: Who they love in a way that feels very dark.

886
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: I will say, oh God, But if anybody who wanted

887
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 5: to become obsessed with our show us as individuals, you know,

888
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 5: we welcome it.

889
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: You want to I want to be.

890
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: What's your level? Okasey, what do you what do you want?

891
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: What do you want from your fans?

892
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: I want someone to come up and cut some of

893
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: my hair off. No, I'm joking. I don't want any

894
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: of this. Yes you do.

895
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: You're like one of these like you would be like

896
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: sitting there like Jerry Langford being like, huh, candles. You

897
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: lit all these candles from me.

898
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: Huh.

899
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: Interesting. You must really love me. Unless, Wow, this is

900
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 3: really strong duct tape. You really did a number here.

901
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, Well, Game a comedy, fantastic film.

902
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to chop it up meet too.

903
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: All right, we have another segment that I like to

904
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: call film etiquette. Millie. We've talked about movie theater etiquette,

905
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: film watching etiquette in the past, and I feel like

906
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: people like talking about that stuff because it affects everyone.

907
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: Now I have a question for you. Okay. Now, imagine

908
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: you're in the theater and you're with someone. You're seeing

909
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: a movie with somebody, okay, and they go to the bathroom.

910
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: And this person you're with does not need to be romantic.

911
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: It can be a friend too. So this person goes

912
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and then they come back. My question

913
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: to you is do you automatically tell them like, hey,

914
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: Tom cruise, he he got the bomb and he and

915
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: now he's bringing it to the FBI or whatever, Like

916
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: do you do you bring them up to speed immediately

917
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: or do you wait for them to say something to you? No,

918
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

919
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you. Like if you

920
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: ask me what happened, I might be like, I give

921
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: you like a couple of words, but I'm not going

922
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: to give you a beat by beat synopsis of the

923
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: things you missed.

924
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: You aren't okay, So what if you're on a date

925
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't do that to be like, hey, you

926
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: just missed this little part. I just wanted to want

927
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: to catch up to speed.

928
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: No, I mean, listen, you and I are going to

929
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: have to deal with our own incontinence together for the

930
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: rest of our lives. Like you know, at the end

931
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: of the day, it's like you gotta like figure out

932
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: your peace schedule lest you miss a big part part

933
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: of the movie. And I would never ask you to catch.

934
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: Me, So you never ask when you come back from

935
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: the bathroom. You're not like, what happened?

936
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: Really, I'll maybe ask after the film. Listen, Casey, I'm

937
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: old school. I ain't trying to have a conversation in

938
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: a movie period.

939
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: It's not a conversation. It's just like it's like ten seconds.

940
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 3: Because no, because it's so it's like you can't just

941
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: be like he died or whatever, you.

942
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: Know something, if something important happened while the person you're with,

943
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: your friend, your lover is gone in the bathroom, don't

944
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: you want to be like, oh, by the way, this

945
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: person's evil. No, I'm gonna be no, no, no.

946
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that that is a requirement in a

947
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: relationship or other I really don't think that.

948
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: Would you be irritated if you were with someone and

949
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: they're like, what happened? Who's that? Guy? Depends on dude.

950
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 3: If you were gone for a while and you miss

951
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: like entire sequences, there's no fucking way I'm catching you up.

952
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: So if someone's taking a shit during a movie, you'll

953
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: catch him up. You're not going to catch him up.

954
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: But if it's just a pee break, you'll catch him up.

955
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Yeah?

956
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: Perhaps, I mean I feel like if you're taking a dump,

957
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: you might as well just stay out.

958
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: I do feel like taking a dump during a movie,

959
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: you're you must be in bad shape because it does

960
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: really torpedo the movie going experience. You know, yeah, I'm

961
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: being gone for like seven to nineteen minutes depending I'm.

962
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: Telling you, like it's I don't feel like it's a

963
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: requirement to catch you up. I personally would never ask

964
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: you unless I mean, I guess.

965
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: It would be different. I don't know. I think it

966
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: is also conditional too, because what if you walk in

967
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: to a murder, Like what if you like walk into

968
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: the seat and you're like, somebody's getting stabbed in the

969
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: eyeball and you're like, holy fuck, when did that happen?

970
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: Like how did that happen? And then somebody was like

971
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: he died.

972
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: I'd be like, okay, fair enough, but I don't expect

973
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 3: you to be like, Okay, here's what happened. The minute

974
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 3: you left. This guy, you know, put on his trench

975
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: coat and he walked down the street and then he

976
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: turned a corner, and you know, I'm like, I don't

977
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: need all that, and I'm not giving you all that either,

978
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: but maybe like a word.

979
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: Or two in the.

980
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: Event of very extreme circumstance. But normally I usually ask

981
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: after the film, So what happened when I was in

982
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: the bathroom. Oh, there was like this whole thing where basically,

983
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, there was a fantasy sequence that how came space.

984
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: You know whatever. Like, I don't know what it feels

985
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: like you have an angle. It feels like you. I

986
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: don't have an angle. I have no angle. I'm just curious, right.

987
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: I Always when Tricia goes to the bathroom comes back, I'll.

988
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: Be like, this happened you say that without her asking you? Yes,

989
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: and that makes you a good partner or something.

990
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: That's I don't think that's for me to decide. I

991
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: think that's what you're setting up.

992
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: Dog.

993
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think a good partner would do something.

994
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: So I'm just a selfish horrible wife. Yes, selfish horrible wife.

995
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, well I think that answers

996
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: my question, my film medica question. Thank you for chatting

997
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: with me about that.

998
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: Well, now I want to know, like what our listeners think, yeah,

999
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: right in, I want to hear what you guys think

1000
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: about that.

1001
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: What is your opinion if you have an opinion about it?

1002
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: All?

1003
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: Right, now it is time for employees picks where we

1004
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: talk about a movie. Let me take that again. Now

1005
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: it's time for employees picks where we recommend a movie

1006
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: based on what we talked about this week, and this

1007
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: week I'm recommending a movie we've actually kind of discussed

1008
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: at length on the show before, with The Softies, Remember Them,

1009
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: Remember Them, The Wonderful The Softies, we talked about Rock

1010
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: and Roll High School from nineteen seventy nine. I love

1011
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: this movie so much, and it is you know, it's

1012
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: about fandom. They're obsessed with the Ramones. But you know PJ.

1013
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: Soul's character, Riff Randall, she is obsessed with the Ramones,

1014
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: but you know what, she's also a songwriter. She's writing

1015
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: her own lyrics, She's writing her own songs, and you

1016
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: know she doesn't let being a fan of the Ramones

1017
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: be her whole identity, you know. So I think that's

1018
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: a really good lesson to learn. And I really love

1019
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: in that movie that Clint Howard has an office in

1020
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: a bathroom stall in the high school bathroom. I think

1021
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: that's really funny. And I love this movie, rock and

1022
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Roll High School.

1023
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: I love it too, Riferindal real rock and Roller PJ Souls?

1024
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: Are you a fan of PJ Souls?

1025
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: Come on? How could I not be? Love? PJ Souls?

1026
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: Halloweens General high school.

1027
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: She's kind of like the prototype for my obsession with.

1028
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: Women in ball caps. Have I talked about this? Oh yeah,

1029
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: I could see that in meeting. See that my personal obsession.

1030
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: I have a problem, dude, with hats, A problem with hats.

1031
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: Period. You're addicted to hats or.

1032
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: As in I'm addicted to buying hats, Like, oh, I see,

1033
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: I don't have like a ton of collections in my life,

1034
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm not, you know what I mean? Like you

1035
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: know how some people collect like some people are like

1036
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: collectors of a ton of stuff physical media, uh, you know,

1037
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 3: like sneakers like.

1038
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: Whatever, Like our friend Paul Rubins was an insane collector. Yeah,

1039
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: if you saw the documentary, Yes, of.

1040
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: Course I have a problem with hats, Like I don't

1041
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: know where it started, but it like I actually recently

1042
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: purchased a hat that was extremely expensive that it made

1043
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: me question my whole life, Like I was like, why

1044
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: did I.

1045
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: Buy this hat?

1046
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: What's the most you pay for a hat? By the way,

1047
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: I just want to throw those.

1048
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: The most I would pay for a hat seventy five bucks. Okay,

1049
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: I paid seventy five bucks exactly. Wow, I got it exactly. Yeah, Wow,

1050
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: I remember you know, my dear friend Patrick Mallin, co

1051
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: host of the fart House podcast. He's a big collector,

1052
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: and we were at tam o' shanter and he spent

1053
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: a sizeable amount of money on a like collector goblet

1054
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: because it was like their one hundredth anniversary at the

1055
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: restaurant tam o Shanter in Los Angeles. And he I

1056
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: saw in real time him question his his life, and

1057
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: I think he was like, oh my god, I can't

1058
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: believe I spent all this money on this goblet. He

1059
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: was like, he kept saying, I want to lay down

1060
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: on the freeway and stuff. Anyways, Oh yeah, I hate

1061
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: okay collections. What's your employees pick? Oh god, dude, I

1062
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: hate okay.

1063
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna this is gonna be a roundabout employee pick

1064
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: because I don't actually I don't know if I'm actually

1065
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: recommending people watch this movie because this movie has.

1066
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: Been watched much before. It's like I'm backwards.

1067
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm recommending that you not watch this movie, but I

1068
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: am recommending it still, I don't know how this works.

1069
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: I actually think this that too many people have watched

1070
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: this movie, if you know what I mean. And the

1071
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: minute I say it you're gonna be like, of course.

1072
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: So I recently heard the filmmaker writer Cameron Crow on

1073
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 3: an episode of The Daily, which is the New York

1074
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 3: Times podcast. It's like, I guess they did like a

1075
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: weekend special where they bring in people and interview them

1076
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: at length. And it's actually really interesting because I'm not

1077
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: even sure if I've ever heard an extended audio interview

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Speaker 3: with Cameron Crow before, but it's like it was interesting

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Speaker 3: because he's extreme, he seemed extremely nice, and also he

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Speaker 3: seems like a journalist because it's like he almost like

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Speaker 3: knew how to be interviewed and knew how to be

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Speaker 3: a good interview subject because he had done interviews in

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Speaker 3: his life.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense he's a former journalist. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost kind of like, you know, it's like

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Speaker 3: he he recognizes the game of the sure the patterer

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Speaker 3: and the you know, the tempo of an interview, and

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Speaker 3: he was a great interview because of that. He like

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Speaker 3: knows he doesn't just sit there and like not respond.

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Speaker 1: He gets in there with you, right totally.

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Speaker 3: So he was talking about his movies and then I

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Speaker 3: was like, you know what, this is a movie that's

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Speaker 3: sort of about fandom in a weird way. But Almost

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Speaker 3: Famous from two thousand?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Sounds right? Come on, hold on, yeah two.

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Speaker 3: Thousand okay, And like I said, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of people have seen Almost Famous.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is why we have an entire wing

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Speaker 3: of the vander Pump universe that has a fucking tattoo

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Speaker 3: on their bodies because of this movie.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this is the movie that what

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Speaker 1: is it? The Sale a thousand Ships? I feel like

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Speaker 1: it really like, uh, it changed an entire generation of people.

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Speaker 1: It's all happening.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sheenache, It's all happening. So yes, I feel like,

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Speaker 3: please don't watch this movie because so many people love

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Speaker 3: it too much.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like Infinite Jest where it will kill

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Speaker 1: you if you watch it, or it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: The Ring Vha you will be changed if you watch it.

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Speaker 1: But it is a movie about fandom at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, and.

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Speaker 3: It's about like basically it kind of are in a

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Speaker 3: weird way, like our little Glimpse into fandom, which is

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Speaker 3: that sometimes it's not good to be around the artists

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: that you like because it you will start seeing things

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01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 3: you don't want to see and you're going to start

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Speaker 3: like basically, once you go down the road of like

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Speaker 3: knowing how the sausage is made about bands or artists

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Speaker 3: or celebrities, you like, you can't put the sausage back

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Speaker 3: in the thing, right.

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Speaker 1: The sausage casing, yeah, or the machine, the grinding machine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I do think there's like, yeah, there's like kind

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Speaker 1: of an inherent power dynamic that gives one party a

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Speaker 1: lot more power over the other, and that's never good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Plus there's also you know, we haven't even talked about this,

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Speaker 3: but sort of the like groupie arm of fandom, which

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Speaker 3: that's a whole other podcast. Baby, we would have to

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Speaker 3: really go hard on that one and another time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a different that's a different issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But anyway, I recommended it because it's on the

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Speaker 3: for our episode and already listen to Cameron Crowe on

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Speaker 3: the Daily.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting. I haven't seen almost Famous and so long.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a Cameron Crowe movie and so long.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I should go watch Jerry Maguire. I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Cameron Crowe, you know how I feel about

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Speaker 3: Tom Cruise. Camen Crowe almost possibly sold me on Tom

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01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: Cruise in that simple interview. The way that he spoke

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01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 3: about Tom Cruise was very interesting, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, maybe he's fucking right. Maybe he's not

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01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: a ridiculous person. Maybe he's uh, he's got more depth

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Speaker 3: than I ever thought.

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Speaker 1: Very good, Melly, I think that was a great that's

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Speaker 1: a great pick for this topic. You really did it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Kind of surprised me. I didn't think about

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01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: that one, but you got me. You did it well well,

1148
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: so well, Nelly, that's our show. I can't believe it.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Another one in the books. If you'd like to send

1150
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: us a film gripe, or if you'd like to tell

1151
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: us what you think about You know when you come

1152
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: back from the bathroom at a movie and you ask

1153
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: the person what happened, and they get all pissy because

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk to you. If you're with

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: a at a movie with Millie, for example, let us

1156
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: know what you think about that right into Deer Movies

1157
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: at exactlyrightmedia dot com. You can also send us a voicemail.

1158
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: Just record a voice memo on your phone and email

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: it to Deer Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com. Keep it

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01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: under a minute, please, and record in a quiet space

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: please for podcasting purposes.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and follow us on socials. We're at Deer Movies.

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 3: I love you on Instagram and Facebook, and then go

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01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: to our letterbox. I'm at m Jushericho, Casey is at

1165
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 3: Casey Leo O'Brien, and you know, do the letterbox equivalent

1166
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 3: of duct taping him to a chair and lighting a

1167
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 3: bunch of candles because he'll secretly love it.

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Speaker 1: I will honestly comment on every review like you dropped

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Speaker 1: your crown, King, you know that sort of thing like

1170
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: our life. Beef me up in the comments. Get them juice,

1171
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, make them feel like god.

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Speaker 3: Casey four and a half stars, what a wreck?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I gotta put everything on my watch list, thank you, King.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we did an episode a few episodes

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01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: back where we basically asked people to tell us nice,

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Speaker 1: nice things about us, and it really worked, so we

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 1: might do that again. Feature. Anyways, Millie, we're doing something.

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Speaker 1: I guess we can kind of announce this. We're doing

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Speaker 1: for all of October. We're doing all horror movies. Duh,

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Speaker 1: of course, No, Luke, I'm excited. I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a horror guy, so nice, right, Yeah,

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,879
Speaker 3: so each week it's gonna everything's horror obviously for October

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Speaker 3: and then, but each week is kind of gonna be

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Speaker 3: like a different subsect of horror. Yeah, and so the

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Speaker 3: we're gonna kick it off next week with I think

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Speaker 3: you might have guessed it a twenty four horror.

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Speaker 1: Wow right on the.

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Speaker 3: Pulse, the beating pulse of modern conversations. Yes, film, and

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Speaker 3: we are specifically going to talk about a movie called

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Speaker 3: Midsommer from twenty nineteen, and guess what, it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a first time watch for your old girl, Millie.

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Speaker 1: This is huge news because I've actually seen this movie

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Speaker 1: three or four times. Yeah. I figured because I'm Swedishly,

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Speaker 1: you look the type to have seen Midsommer three or

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Speaker 1: four times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm excited it's going to be great. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited too. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about a twenty

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Speaker 1: four because I know you have some opinions about a

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Speaker 1: twenty four and maybe the kind of people who like

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Speaker 1: a twenty four movies.

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Speaker 3: I would love to meet somebody who has no opinion

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Speaker 3: of a twenty four Where are you dear movie?

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Speaker 1: Is that exactly right? Media talk. Where are you show yourself?

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Speaker 1: Marry me? You know this is gonna be a fun

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 1: month because I can kind of talk about my horror journey.

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm a huge horror guy. We know this. But guess

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Speaker 1: what ten years ago I would have said, I actively

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Speaker 1: dislike horror. I've changed in the last ten years. I

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Speaker 1: know he was.

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Speaker 3: This is back when he was a Christian fundamentalist, and

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Speaker 3: he was part of that group that didn't allow its

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Speaker 3: members to watch anything other than the Teletubbies.

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Speaker 1: That's right, didn't let We didn't celebrate Halloween. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: read Harry Potter. Uh, I don't know. Yeah, but anyways,

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Speaker 1: only Takink, only Tinky Winky. Actually Tinky Winky was the

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Speaker 1: gay one. So we didn't like. He carried a purse.

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: No man should carry a person. Way, no way, Lindsey

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Speaker 1: Graham would say, no. All right. On that note, we

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Speaker 1: did it. Bye Millie, Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production hosted by Me

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Speaker 3: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 3: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 3: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye

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Speaker 1: Beker