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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Chuck here.

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Speaker 2: It's April twenty first, twenty twenty on our COVID timeline

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Speaker 2: here for the Saturday Trip down Memory Lane. This is

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Speaker 2: a really fun episode, so I'm very excited to recommend

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Speaker 2: this app from April twenty first, the Soul Train episode

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Speaker 2: where we took a fun look back at the great,

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Speaker 2: great TV show that was So.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and

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Speaker 4: there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and this is

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Speaker 4: stuff you should know. Not bad, let's hear yours. I

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Speaker 4: know you can do it.

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Speaker 2: The Soul Train it's so much higher than that.

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Speaker 4: That was good, though, but you dropped it down into

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Speaker 4: your range and it's still was. You made it to

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Speaker 4: your own I think, is what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 4: and I.

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Speaker 1: Like it, which is old white guy version.

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Speaker 4: So you're not old, You're just middle aged.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Okay, sure, well let me ask you this, Chuck. Were

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Speaker 4: you aware of Soul Train while it was on?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, then your Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: I love Soul Train.

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Speaker 4: Sure, so I was a solid gold man myself. But

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Speaker 4: I can get on some Soul Train for sure, especially

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Speaker 4: like vintage stuff these days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've watched Solid Gold to be sure,

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Speaker 2: an American Bandstand, But I was just a a rabid

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Speaker 2: consumer of popular culture and television and music growing up,

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Speaker 2: so before MTV came along and completely changed my life,

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Speaker 2: because that's all I watched was shows like Soul Train

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Speaker 2: were where I could because you know, often I couldn't

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Speaker 2: stay up to watch late night tea talk shows where

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Speaker 2: you see performances like this is where I got to

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Speaker 2: see live music before I could start go seeing live music.

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh, yeah, that was and that was a huge

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Speaker 4: draw of it for sure. Like the idea of just

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Speaker 4: being able to tune in on Saturday at eleven am,

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Speaker 4: depending on where you were and seeing like a somebody

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Speaker 4: like Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder perform like that was

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Speaker 4: that was a big deal, especially like you're saying, if

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Speaker 4: you were too young and fell asleep too early to

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Speaker 4: go to a proper show, that's right, but even more

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Speaker 4: than that, and like that was a huge, huge mark

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Speaker 4: that Soul Train left was just presenting that. But that

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Speaker 4: had been done before there was American band Stand. There

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Speaker 4: are all sorts of like kind of dance party TV shows.

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Speaker 4: So it didn't exactly pioneer in that sense, but what

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Speaker 4: it did pioneer in is that the people that was

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Speaker 4: presenting African Americans teenagers who were hip and their own

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Speaker 4: people and part of black culture, and presenting it in

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Speaker 4: a way that like was an apologetic that wasn't critical,

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Speaker 4: that did didn't portray it in some sort of negative

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Speaker 4: light or in a way that you know, was trying

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Speaker 4: to get white people to understand it. Just presenting it

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Speaker 4: as it was and celebrating it. That's where SoulTrain like

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Speaker 4: really broke through. And it's very very difficult to overstate

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Speaker 4: how revolutionary and groundbreaking SoulTrain was, especially for how simple

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Speaker 4: this show format was.

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Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, I mean, like you said, bandstand had been

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Speaker 2: around since nineteen fifty two, and this, you know, kind

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Speaker 2: of was known as the Black American Bandstand, and it

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Speaker 2: followed that format. It was, you know, people, a live

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Speaker 2: these musicians afterward briefly, and then beyond that just awesome

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Speaker 2: music spinning on the turntable and amazing dancing, amazing outfits,

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Speaker 1: It was really really cool.

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Speaker 2: And the point is made in this in this article

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Speaker 2: that they put together for us, but.

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Speaker 1: It was it was definitely by.

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Speaker 2: Black people and four black people, but it was an

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Speaker 2: introduction to black culture to white kids like me, little

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Speaker 2: eight year old Chuck in Stone Mountain, Georgia sitting around

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Speaker 2: watching the Soul Train dance line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine. It was mind blowing, Chuck, Like

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Speaker 4: I think it wasn't just you know, it wasn't like

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Speaker 4: There was no there was no subscribing to all like

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Speaker 4: the preconceived notions that there have been before it was

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Speaker 4: just its own thing. It was like, hey, by the

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Speaker 4: over here. You guys have ignored all this time. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna put it on TV and show it often. If

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Speaker 4: you like it, awesome, if you don't get lost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Dave I thought it was kind of astute

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Speaker 2: brand before that was such a thing because these people

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Speaker 2: were influencers. What you saw on Soul Train, you wanted

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Speaker 2: to dance like that, You wanted to wear those clothes.

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Speaker 2: If someone debuted a sweet move that you saw on

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, you would practice that move in your living

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Speaker 2: room and then debut it at your club that night.

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Speaker 4: And there were like some pretty sweet moves that were

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Speaker 4: debuted on Soul Trained. The Sweetest we did an entire

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Speaker 4: episode on the Moonwalk, if you'll remember correctly, and that

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Speaker 4: was originally called the backslide that was created on Soul Train.

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Speaker 4: The robot, the rerun ding it.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's so much sweet roboting going on.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and that's where it came from. Apparently no

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Speaker 4: club kids who now had a place to do their

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Speaker 4: come up with more stuff, and they'd come bring it

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Speaker 4: to SoulTrain again. And then kids would watch that. Kids,

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Speaker 4: college kids, adults would watch this and be like, this

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Speaker 4: is the coolest thing that's on TV right now, and

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Speaker 4: I want to do those dance moves too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let's read a couple of these quotes that kind of

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Speaker 2: encapsulate how important of a show this was. One is

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Speaker 2: from philosopher, activists and Harvard professor Cornell West. He said,

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Speaker 2: I never missed it Saturday morning as a graduate at

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Speaker 2: a student at Princeton. I would see it wherever I

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Speaker 2: was available to the world. One of the great traditions

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Speaker 2: in American history, which is a history of soul music.

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Speaker 2: Soul music at its best, taught America, especially young Americans,

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Speaker 2: about color, how to be free, and how to love

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Speaker 2: in a deeper and better way. And this from common

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Speaker 2: the actor and rapper. Watching my babysitter get the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to go on Soul Train was like a dream come

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Speaker 2: true for her because Soul Train was the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: then for the black community. It gave ordinary everyday people

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to express themselves. It showed us that we

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Speaker 2: too have a place on TV.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I can't imagine what commons babysitter, How excited

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Speaker 4: she must have been to get to be on Soul Train.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like that must have been the biggest thing possible.

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Speaker 4: Like they said it was the hippus trip on television,

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Speaker 4: and like that was not much of an exaggeration, especially

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Speaker 4: at the time, especially when you compared it to like

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Speaker 4: American Bandstand at the time, which when Soul Train came along,

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Speaker 4: you said, bansand had been on since nineteen fifty two,

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Speaker 4: almost two decades by this time. SoulTrain comes along. And

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Speaker 4: there was a TV critic in nineteen seventy three who wrote,

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Speaker 4: I believe for the New York Times that comparing Soul

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Speaker 4: Train to the old American Bandstand is like comparing Champagne

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Speaker 4: to seltzer Burns. That had to hurt Dick Clark.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he did fine.

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Speaker 4: Well, as far as I could tell. Everything I've ever

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Speaker 4: heard about him. He was literate, so he very well

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Speaker 4: could have read that, and if not, somebody may have

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Speaker 4: read it to him, and it hurt his feelings, there's

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Speaker 4: no way it didn't.

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Speaker 2: So we can't talk about SoulTrain without talking about Don Cornelius. No,

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Speaker 2: Don Cornelius was the host and creator of SoulTrain and

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Speaker 2: owner and owner, which is huge. Like this guy owned

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Speaker 4: They usually put him in league with Desi Arnetz, who

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Speaker 4: owned I Love Lucy, and Mike Douglas, who owned the

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Speaker 4: Mike Douglas Show. Most of the even like the creators

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Speaker 4: of a show, you didn't own the show that you created,

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Speaker 4: like you like have some sort of deal with somebody

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Speaker 4: piece of it. This was one hundred percent Don Cornelius's jam.

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Speaker 4: And there's a legend that kind of goes along with

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Speaker 4: that that James Brown came on very early on in

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Speaker 4: like nineteen seventy two or three, and he was like,

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Speaker 4: so who's backing you on this? Man? And dot thank you.

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Speaker 4: I can't do a very good James Brown, and Don

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Speaker 4: Cornelius says, it's just me, James, And apparently James Brown

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Speaker 4: kind of asked it again. Didn't think to rephrase it

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Speaker 4: in different words, just ask the same question. Don Cornelius

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Speaker 4: answers them the same way. He says, it's just me, James,

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Speaker 4: like he got what he's saying, and he was telling

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Speaker 4: him this is mine, one hundred percent mine. Nobody else

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Speaker 4: owns it. It's totally my show. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: anybody else could have done it like Don Cornelius did.

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Speaker 4: He was perfect for Soul Train, and I think the

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Speaker 4: was his creation and his baby.

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Speaker 1: Should we take a break.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little worked up, so yeah maybe so.

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Speaker 1: All right, Uh, you're gonna work on your rerun dance.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a little break, and we'll go back

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Speaker 2: and talk about young Don Cornelius right after this. I

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Speaker 2: want to learn about terms horn and college, howadactyle, how

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Speaker 2: to take a berg all about is gone.

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Speaker 3: That's a little hunt.

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Speaker 1: We should know.

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Speaker 3: Word up, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So, Young Don was born in Chicago on the South Side,

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Speaker 2: in the neighborhood of Bronzeville, known as the Black Metropolis.

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Speaker 2: He was the son of a postal worker and was

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Speaker 2: a marine. He joined the Marines after high school, fought

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Speaker 2: in South Korea. After that, comes home to Chicago, sells

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Speaker 2: and then says, I want to.

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Speaker 1: Be a cop.

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Speaker 4: I want to be a popo.

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Speaker 1: Yep, And he was a popo.

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Speaker 4: Also in there somewhere. He married, I believe, his high

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Speaker 4: he's a cop, he's married with two kids at home,

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Speaker 4: two sons. And one day there's a story, an urban

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Speaker 4: legend that, as far as I know, is true, let

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Speaker 4: me smell it. Well, then it's not an urban legend,

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Speaker 4: it's just a story. It could be a true urban legend. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we're going to come up with an entirely different category

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Speaker 4: right now. Chall right, So Don Cornelius, Officer Cornelis pulls

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Speaker 4: That's so good. So anyway, the guy like is like,

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Speaker 2: So yes, Don Cornelius, the voice of gold the Golden Tonsils.

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Speaker 4: Is that what they called the velvet fog. That was

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Speaker 2: And he interviewed Jesse Jackson, he interviewed Martin Luther King.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's like a TV broadcaster by day radio

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Speaker 1: That's right and very key.

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Speaker 2: He went to his TV station W CiU and said,

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Speaker 2: and they said, uh, sure, but we're not going to

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Speaker 1: Little did he know what a fortuitous move that was.

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Speaker 2: And he said, not because it was wonderful, but because

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know what we would have talked about

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Speaker 4: was world changing. Sure, So when he moved into Los

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Speaker 1: Amazing working hard.

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Speaker 4: He was working hard. Yeah, it's right.

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Speaker 2: So it was a very popular show right out of

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, and I mean, like I think in a

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Speaker 4: So it was like a perfect sponsor for SoulTrain, which

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Speaker 4: But when you put them together, it was like greater

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. It was a big deal culturally.

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Speaker 2: Not only was it a big hit, but like people

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Speaker 2: like Jesse Jackson said, Don Cornelius is right up there

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Speaker 4: That's pretty great.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, I was a little white kid

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Speaker 2: every week. Loved it from beginning to end. Even the

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Speaker 2: Afroshine and Ultrachine ads were heaven. Had the funkiest, most stylish,

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Speaker 4: Well, you want to take a break and then get

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Speaker 1: Soul Train and be on it. You know, I was

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Speaker 4: Yes, I can't wait. We're gonna debut that clip live,

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Speaker 4: all right, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I want to learn about a terri sort and college

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Speaker 3: That's another hunt, The Sane Everything.

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Speaker 1: And John.

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Speaker 5: Word up, Jerry, Okay, Chuck, So we're back.

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Speaker 4: There was one little thing that I wanted to include

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Speaker 4: They would play Lithuanian and Polish language talk shows Amos

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I just love that little tidbit.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So if you watch SoulTrain, the first

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Speaker 1: So cool, so iconic.

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Speaker 2: Then you see Don Cornelius, always dressed to the nines,

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Speaker 2: He was because he was a DJ previously he was.

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Speaker 2: He just had that DJ lingo down. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: Let me, let me try my hand at it. You ready, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a stone gas honey. Okay, that

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a stone gas honey. I don't

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Speaker 2: Hey, not bad, don't lie to me, Chuck, Josh Cornelius.

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Speaker 2: You had your musical guest, like we said, just like

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Speaker 4: called in and Gladys totally delivered by being on that

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00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 4: first nationally syndicated episode because it drew a lot of attention,

441
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: and apparently from that point on he was he was

442
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 4: always very deferential, saying, you know, if it weren't for Gladys,

443
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 4: none of this would be here right now. Oh that's nice, Yeah,

444
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 4: it was pretty Cooliver. Have you ever eaten a Gladys

445
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 4: Knight's House of Chicken and waffles?

446
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: What do you think?

447
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 4: I'm thinking you probably have multiple times, but we've never

448
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: discussed it.

449
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

450
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean when I lived in LA I was a

451
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: regular at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. But yeah, Gladys Knight

452
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 2: does it right as well.

453
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: Yes she does. Have you ever had the smothered chicken there?

454
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: I don't think so. Is it like gravy or something. Yes,

455
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 4: and it is even better than the chicken and waffles.

456
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I can't not get the chicken and waffle.

457
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 4: So get both.

458
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: Okay, just get both.

459
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: There's no reason to hold back at Gladys Knight's House

460
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 4: of Chicken and waffle.

461
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: And eat a little bit of both and take the

462
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: rest of home, sure, or eat it all.

463
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: Yes, so Soul Train, of course that the musical performances

464
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: were great and classic and iconic, but it's the dancing

465
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 2: that is what it's really known for. They got they

466
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: scouted out some of these dancers. They would go to

467
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: the clubs, and they did this on American Bandstand and

468
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: other shows too that had dancers. They would go find

469
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: like the flyest dancers in the clubs, invite them to

470
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: be on the show, and everyone else had to audition,

471
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: Like thousands of people would line up and audition with

472
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: their dance moves to be a soul trained dancer.

473
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like again, like Common's babysitter was saying, like

474
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 4: that was a big deal to be picked. And some

475
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: were recruited like you're saying, from the clubs, and those

476
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: those particular dancers were usually so good that they would

477
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 4: rise to like national prominence, like the camera just couldn't

478
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: avoid them. They also were no slouches at learning how

479
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: to play to the camera too when the camera was

480
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: on them or anywhere near them. But one of the

481
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: ways that everybody shine too, whether you've got a lot

482
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: of camera time or not, was in the the Soul

483
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: Train Line, which became a really regular feature of each

484
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: episode where everybody just kind of be clapping and standing

485
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: on two sides, and then a couple would come down,

486
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: usually a couple, sometimes it was solo would come down

487
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: and do some crazy dance moves and really get a

488
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: chance to show off and kind of capture the attention

489
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 4: of the viewing audience.

490
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've never gone on YouTube and looked at

491
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: Soul Train Line videos, first of all, I'm surprised that

492
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: you exist as a human. And secondly, just do it

493
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: and then look up at the clock two hours later,

494
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 2: because you will be able to do nothing but watch

495
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: those video clips.

496
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

497
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: And what's cool about it too, is you can put

498
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: it to any kind of super cool music and it

499
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 4: sounds really great and looks really great.

500
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: What you like, and mute it and put on different music.

501
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 4: No, no, but other people have like put their own

502
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: tracks or other people's tracks. Oh really, video of soul

503
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: train and it works really well.

504
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, I like the real music.

505
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: Sure, real music isn't bad either.

506
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jungle Boogie one is really good in particular,

507
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: that is a good one. So they'd filmed four episodes

508
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: in a weekend. Apparently the dancers were worked pretty hard,

509
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: and Cornelius was pretty demanding of them.

510
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: You couldn't choot them, you couldn't curse.

511
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: His mantra was be on time, be tactful, be creative,

512
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: be funky, and be yourself.

513
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were unpaid too. Typically, I guess you would

514
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 4: be paid if you were dancing to a performer, but

515
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 4: if you were part of the segments that it was

516
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: just them playing music and people were dancing, you were unpaid.

517
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: I think they'd feed you because again, you're doing two

518
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: episodes over two days, so four total, like you were saying,

519
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: and I mean, you're dancing like the whole time. And

520
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: I'm guessing that these things probably took longer than an hour.

521
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 4: They didn't just do an hour and that was it,

522
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: with no retakes or edits or anything like that. So

523
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how long it actually took to film

524
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: an actual episode, but you were basically dancing the entire time,

525
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: two episodes back to back, twice over a weekend.

526
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: I bet it was fun too.

527
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: Though I'm sure it was fun too. I was thinking

528
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: at the impression that it was a little competitive. Although

529
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: there's a guy who frequently gets overshadowed by Don Cornelis,

530
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 4: but was known as his right hand man. His name

531
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: was Clinton Ghent, and he was one of the the

532
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: kind of co creators of Soul Training, or he was

533
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 4: there from the beginning in Chicago, and he had a

534
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: real eye for finding those dancers in the clubs. He

535
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: was one of the ones who would go scout dancers,

536
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: but not only of finding people who had like really

537
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 4: crazy good moves and getting them to come on to

538
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: Soul Train, but of putting all sorts of different dancers

539
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: who would normally be pretty competitive with one another, finding

540
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: groups that would kind of gel together like a family,

541
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: so that when you go back and watch Soul Train episodes,

542
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: or when you were watching it when they were coming

543
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: on the first time, you weren't like sitting there seeing

544
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: like dancers like kind of sniping one another. Backbiting or

545
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: pushing each other out of the way. It did kind

546
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: of have this really family vibe every episode, and apparently

547
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: that was the work of that Clinton Ghent guy who

548
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: just really knew how to put people together.

549
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that GQ editor really nailed it.

550
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Like it just looked like it looked like a party

551
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: you wanted to be at, like everyone was.

552
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Having a good time.

553
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

554
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: So some of the some of these dancers went on

555
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: to be famous. We're kind of discovered there. Jody Wattley,

556
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: the singer. She started out as a teenager on Soul

557
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: Train and Don Cornelius was like, you're super talented, I'm

558
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: a businessman. I'm going to pair you with this other guy,

559
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Daniel, and you guys should record music together. And

560
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: that little group went on to be Shallamar. Of course,

561
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven they got together, and then.

562
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: After Shallamar, Jody Wattley went on to become Jody Wattley.

563
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: That's right.

564
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned rerun from What's Happening, Nick Cannon, Carmen Electra,

565
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: which I didn't know that she started out there.

566
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: That kind of surprised me.

567
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: I didn't either. Her real name is Tara Lee Patrick.

568
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: Did you know that.

569
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I did or not. I know

570
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't Carmen Electra.

571
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's not that, although she looks way more

572
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: like a Carmen Electra than a Tara Lee Patrick. Yeah, agreed,

573
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 4: doesn't look at all Irish or Southern.

574
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Rosie Perez was maybe one of the biggest names to

575
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: come out of SoulTrain. This was in the eighties, because

576
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, you think about the salad days of SoulTrain

577
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: and you'd probably think of the seventies, but the eighties

578
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: were pretty big and it went all the way to

579
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. But in the eighties is when

580
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: the hip hop influence came on, and Rosie Perez brought

581
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: that Brooklyn, New York City hip hop flavor. And if

582
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: you go back and watch some of her stuff on SoulTrain,

583
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: it's like the dancing school. It's much different than that

584
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: sort of seventies groove. It was that sort of New

585
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: York City hip hop style.

586
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, she does it like the beginning of what does

587
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 4: it do the right thing? Yeah, that's her dancing at

588
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: the beginning of it, right.

589
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

590
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like straight up SoulTrain. So what she

591
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: did on SoulTrain, which is very much not like what

592
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: they were doing in La too. So she kind of

593
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: rose to prominence as a Soul Train dancer very quickly,

594
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: and Don Cornelius apparently was like, hey, I want to

595
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: lock you into a contract, and Rosie Perez, being smart,

596
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: street wise, Rosie Perez said that's great, I'll show it

597
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: to my lawyer. And apparently Don Cornelius didn't like this,

598
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: and as the story goes, he grabbed Rosie Perez, which

599
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: is not what you do when somebody says that they

600
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: want their lawyer to look at a contract you want

601
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: them to lock into, or for any reason really, and

602
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: to get him all over, she threw a piece of

603
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: the fried chicken she was eating at the time right

604
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: at his head and hit him in the face.

605
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: That's how the story goes.

606
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: That's how Rosie Perez tells it for sure.

607
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know we should mention too. That is

608
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: not cool at all.

609
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: And while we're praising Don Cornelius for his talents as

610
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: a host, he did later in life when he was

611
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: a bit older. Was was he arrested or was he

612
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: just charged? I think he was charged with domestic violence

613
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 2: against his Russian Ukrainian wife.

614
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: Yes, he was at least charged. I don't know if

615
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: he was victed, but there was a Yeah, he got

616
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: into an entailment because of that, at least accusation that

617
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: he had abused her and then also apparently intimidated a

618
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: witness into changing their story. He was charged with that

619
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: as well. It was from what I understand though, this

620
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: all took place over a single night and possibly within

621
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: a very short period of time, over single night. Not

622
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: at all trying to justify or excuse it, but I

623
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: don't know the story behind it at all, but I

624
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: think it's worth pointing out like Don Cornelius was not

625
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: just as straight up like nothing but a smooth, cool cat.

626
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: He was a complex human being who had faults as

627
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: well too. Yeah, inflaws and all that. I mean, grabbing

628
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: Rosie Perez is bad enough alone.

629
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Sure you know what you get, You get the old

630
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: chicken wing to the forehead.

631
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah you do. You would think, like even before she

632
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: was a star, you'd know, just hanging out with her

633
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: a little bit, not to mess with Rosy Perez.

634
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: No, I would never mess with Rosie Perez.

635
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: He didn't know that his signature sign off was on

636
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Don Cornelius and as always in partying, we wish you love,

637
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: peace and soul.

638
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a couple of other people who kind

639
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: of rose to prominence too. Cheryl Song she was the

640
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: first Asian dancer on SoulTrain, and she said she had

641
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: to really kind of prove herself that she wasn't just

642
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: like the token non African American dancer, that she was

643
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: actually a really good dancer, and she did. And then

644
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: Jermaine Stewart, who you might recognize as the singer of

645
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: We Don't Have to Take Our Clothes Off, and that's

646
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: pretty cute because he came back home and performed it

647
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: on SoulTrain in nineteen eighty six, and when Don Cornelius

648
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: was introducing him, he was saying he made good and

649
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: we're all very proud of him.

650
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: And like you mentioned, the Irish Carmen Electra, who I

651
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: guess stood out because she was river dancing on SoulTrain

652
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, what is that?

653
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: What is that? But then everybody wanted to do it

654
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: because it was Carmen Electra doing it.

655
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: So SoulTrain was so popular. And Dick Clark, I guess

656
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: didn't feel like he had enough money as a TV

657
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: mogul and an icon on American Bandstand. So he went, hey,

658
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to start my own Soul Train and try

659
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: and bury Don Cornelius, right, and I'm going to call

660
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: it Soul Unlimited.

661
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to put it on ABC. And it was.

662
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: You can see clips of it on YouTube.

663
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: It didn't last long, but it was a literal ripoff

664
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: of Soul Train. And you might say Soul Train was

665
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: a ripoff of American Bandstand, fair enough, but for him

666
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: to go after the African American market like that, I

667
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: don't think was very cool.

668
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: No, it isn't very cool. I could see Dick Clark

669
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: being a little blind to the larger implications of it.

670
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: Well.

671
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know if if he was

672
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: involved in it's canceling or not, but you know, some

673
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: black leaders did get it canceled. They started a campaign

674
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: to say, like, no, just leave this one alone. I

675
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: don't know if how easily Clark went along with her

676
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: or not. I like to think he was like, oh, okay,

677
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: I see the era of my ways now and dropped it.

678
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: But yeah, only a few episodes came out either way,

679
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: SoulTrain was left to like stand on its own. You

680
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: know yeah, which and I think rightfully so too.

681
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there were other performers. Later on they would

682
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: have white performers. David Bowie very famously was on there.

683
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: Oh no, did you watch that?

684
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: He did did ah, it was awful, did a pretty

685
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: bad lip sync job, which Cornelius gave him kind of

686
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: teased him about. And then Elton John who was who

687
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: was always had a pretty big following in the African

688
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: American community.

689
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 4: I know that, did you?

690
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, he wrote. He wrote about it in his

691
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: autobiography that I read last year.

692
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: That's cool.

693
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: I think it started when Aretha Franklin covered burned Down

694
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: the Mission. If I'm not mistaken, Okay, is that the

695
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: one she recorded. I think that's the way it went down.

696
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: I've never heard of that song before.

697
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? You've never heard burn Down the Mission?

698
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I'm not the biggest Elton John fan.

699
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm fine with him, but I really don't

700
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: like a lot of his seventies stuff, like a lot.

701
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: I really don't like it. Wow, But I like his

702
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: any stuff, like the whole I'm still standing thing.

703
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Okay, it's good.

704
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: It was burned Down the Mission before that.

705
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was a nice My follow.

706
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Up question is what what what problem did he have

707
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: with the mission? He didn't write it, Okay, Bernie Toppin

708
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: wrote all his lyrics. Oh I see now I am

709
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: a Bernie Toppin fan.

710
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: You're a national treasure.

711
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: Thank you.

712
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: So Elton John was on a couple of times, and

713
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: it's pretty sweet if you look at the one. I'm

714
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: not sure if it was the Philadelphia Freedom one or I.

715
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: Hate that song or the other one.

716
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: It's such a good song.

717
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: But he they you know, he takes questions and you

718
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: can tell he's kind of shy and a little nervous,

719
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: and he takes some questions from the from the people,

720
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: from the dancers and stuff, which was kind of cool.

721
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: But it's just very sweet to see how nervous he was.

722
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's known for being a humble, humble spirit,

723
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: is he No have you ever seen that the documentary

724
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: they made or he self made or no, his partner made.

725
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: His partner was the only one he would let, you know,

726
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: fallow him around with the camera, which is pretty understandable.

727
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 4: But he came out in the last like I don't know,

728
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 4: decade or less.

729
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tantrums and tierras.

730
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: I think, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great, man,

731
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: I loved it.

732
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good. I like that Rocketman movie a lot too.

733
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: I have not seen that. I saw it. I saw

734
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: it over someone else's shoulders on a plane.

735
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: You wouldn't like it, I didn't.

736
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: I know, it didn't look like anything I would like.

737
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: No, if you don't like Elton John, you wouldn't like

738
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: the movie about Elton John.

739
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: No.

740
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: And again, sir Elton, I have no problem with you personally.

741
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: It's just that that period through seventies, the seventies, like

742
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: Crocodile Rock, the one about like Philadelphia Freedom.

743
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: You know, all those bad seventies albums Madman Across the

744
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: Water and Captain Fantastic and by yelbrick Row, those are

745
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: all terrible.

746
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: Exactly. I feel understood.

747
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: Check thank you.

748
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: So the eighties come along and nineteen eighty three Don

749
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: Cornelius has brain surgery, takes a little time off, he

750
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: comes back. SoulTrain has changed their look a little bit

751
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: to try and fit with kind of what's going on

752
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: at the time, with like Whitney Houston and people like that.

753
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: And then hip hop and rap come along and apparently

754
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: Don Cornelius is not a big fan.

755
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I think I read I can't remember. I

756
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: read a really great article in Dazed about it, or

757
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 4: there's another pretty good one that was a review of

758
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: the recent TV biopic about him and SoulTrain on The Guardian,

759
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: and it basically explained it like that Don Cornelius was

760
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: like a mid century integration minded black businessman and that

761
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: he and his ilk and generation they had been working toward, like,

762
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 4: you know, getting a piece of the pie that didn't

763
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 4: necessarily it wasn't the white pie. It was the pie

764
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 4: that white people controlled. And if you were you know,

765
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: if you if you made your way to get a

766
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: piece of this that like you could you could be

767
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: black and still enjoy the good life. And that hip

768
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 4: hop reminded him of everything that he and his generation

769
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: had kind of tried to work beyond and pasted and

770
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: to integrate, and that to him it was a step backwards.

771
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: So he wasn't vibing on it at all. My own

772
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: personal take is that he was a smooth customer and

773
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: he appreciated smoothness, and hip hop, especially eighties hip hop,

774
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: was the opposite of smooth, and so he was not

775
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: vibing on it at all, and he even referred to

776
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: himself as an old guy sometimes when he was interviewing

777
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: you know, some of the hip hop artists who came

778
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: on Soul Train in the eighties.

779
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched one of the Public Enemy clips and

780
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: it was weird. Afterward he like he basically ignores Chuck

781
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: D and like talks only to Flavor Flave.

782
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: And then finally turns to Chuck It was like, and now,

783
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: Chuck D.

784
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: He said, you must feel so blessed to have have

785
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: someone as talented as Flavor as your partner. What really,

786
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: it was really weird, and Chuck D was like, yeah,

787
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's quite a character, as you can see. Yeah,

788
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It really came off as

789
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: like Don Cornelius doesn't understand this. I'm not dissing Flave,

790
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: but like Chuck D was like the he was the

791
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: leader of that band, you know.

792
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the brains behind the outfit for sure.

793
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: And I mean like, yeah, Flavor Flaves just like he's

794
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: he's like fills in the kind of hardness of Chuck D. Yeah,

795
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, if you think Public Enemy, it's definitely

796
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: Flavor Flavor and Chuck D. But it's Chuck D.

797
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

798
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: And then Flavor Flave.

799
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely a strange interview because I thought,

800
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: finally he's going to talk to Chuck D. And he's like,

801
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: you must feel so good about having this guy as

802
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: your partner.

803
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: Which one was that after? Because they were on at

804
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: least twice on the regular show by my count, and

805
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: then once on the Soul Train Awards at least you

806
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 4: don't remember. So it's not like he wasn't smart enough

807
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: to know that they were big and should be on anyway,

808
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: whether he liked him or not. But they did they

809
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: can't trust it in nineteen ninety one, and they did

810
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: Rubble without a Pause in nineteen eighty seven, and I

811
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: could not find the interview segment. I just saw, like

812
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: the performance, No, both like really great.

813
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: Well, it was very sweet and actually it would have

814
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: had to been the nineties one because afterward Flavor Flave

815
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: asked for a a moment of silence for the passing

816
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: of Miles Davis and Red Fox.

817
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: And they take a moment of silence.

818
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: That's awesome, h it was cool. So and that's actually

819
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: just in case we haven't gotten this across enough yet

820
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: Soul Train again, was it never got away from like

821
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: it's black roots, like it never sold out or anything

822
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 4: like that. Like it was, like, that makes perfect sense

823
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 4: that they would include that part. They wouldn't just edit

824
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: that out in the episode that they published. Yeah, that

825
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: was just part of it. Even as late as the

826
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: early nineties.

827
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the early nineties is when Don Cornelius finally

828
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: had to step down. May tenth, nineteen ninety three was

829
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: his final episode. He passed it on to the younger generation.

830
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: It went all the way to two thousand and six

831
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: and became the longest running syndicated show in TV history.

832
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty five seasons amazing and those younger that younger

833
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: generation that he handed the reins over to. Some of

834
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: the temporary hosts included Jamie Fox got his start, Tyra

835
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: Banks and Shamar Moore from Criminal Minds. He was a

836
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: long time stand in host. Really, Yeah, he's big time manh.

837
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.

838
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: I don't Watchdal Minds either, but you've seen enough like

839
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: ads for Criminal Minds that you would recognize. I'm sure.

840
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: Very Sadly, Don Cornelius took his own life. He was

841
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: suffering from Alzheimer's and apparently he was having a lot

842
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: of seizures and just in a pretty bad way physically,

843
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: and his son said that that was the reason why he.

844
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Took his own life.

845
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Puss. He'd also sold the rights i think

846
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: to Soul Train too, and it seems like things kind

847
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: of started to go downhill for him around then, I

848
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: think in two thousand and eight.

849
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, apparently it was a really big surprise to

851
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: everybody who knew him that he died by suicide, that

852
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: that was not the perceived outcome for him, I think. Yeah,

853
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: but his legacy lives on. Like you said, I mean,

854
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: the thirty five seasons the longest running syndicated television show

855
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: of all time. In and of itself, it's an incredible achievement,

856
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: but also to be like a cornerstone of like introducing

857
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: black culture as black culture to the larger culture as

858
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: a whole in white culture huge is Yeah. I mean,

859
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: that's about as big an accomplishment as you can make.

860
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: It's like Jesse Jackson said, he was as important as

861
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: any civil rights leader.

862
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Yep, you know.

863
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 4: So that's Don Cornelius and Soul Train. That's how ed

864
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: if you want to know more about that. You don't

865
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 4: need to know anything else. Just start go watching clips

866
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: of Soul Train and you will be a happier person

867
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: than you were before you started.

868
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, get ready for some sick robot action.

869
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: It's so great. And rerun too. You can't forget about

870
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: rerun fred Berry.

871
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: No, that's sweet.

872
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: Well, since we talked about fred Berry, that means everybody.

873
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 4: Obviously it's time for listener mail.

874
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: This is about Iron Maiden.

875
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, listen to your short stuff on six sixty

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Speaker 2: six and loved it more so for Josh's thoughts on

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Speaker 2: Iron Maiden, hardest working band of business seeing them twice.

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Speaker 2: I've been a Maiden fan for about fifteen years, and

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Speaker 2: I got to say Josh was right on the money

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Speaker 2: when he said Power Slave was the album to listen

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Speaker 2: to if you've never really given them a chance. So chuck,

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00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: whip out that old bean bag, roll up a fatty,

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Speaker 2: crack open a cold one, and crank up some Maiden.

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Speaker 2: You'll be glad you did. Also, just want to say

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Speaker 2: thank you both for the awesome work you do. I'm spewing,

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Speaker 2: which must be Australian for angry, he says, I'm spewing

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Speaker 2: because I couldn't get to your show when you came

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Speaker 2: to Perth.

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Speaker 4: I think, so, yeah, yeah, you missed a good show

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Speaker 4: that I was thinking about how cool that town was

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Speaker 4: the other day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Perth was cool.

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Speaker 2: Your discussion and delivery of interesting, exciting topics week after

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Speaker 2: week transmute information and understanding into very enjoyable entertainment into

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Speaker 2: my ear holes, bringing much joy not just to my

896
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Speaker 2: commute but.

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Speaker 1: To my work life.

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Speaker 2: Lots of love from Mandura, Western Australia, and that is

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Speaker 2: from Tie Ty.

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Speaker 4: I like this person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Tie says that I'm right, which I love. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: likes Iron Maiden, loves Iron Maiden. You could say, and

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Speaker 4: it is upset that they missed our show.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back.

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Speaker 4: Sure we will be Hey, you know, we're like number

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Speaker 4: one in Australia as far as podcasts go.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I heard that. Man, they're practically begging for

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Speaker 1: us to come back.

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Speaker 4: We'll come back and we'll definitely go to Perth again.

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Speaker 4: So don't worry, Ty, we'll be there. Just keep an

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Speaker 4: ear up, keep your ear holes out.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: If you want to be cool like Tye and get

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Speaker 4: in touch with us, you can do that, You can

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Speaker 4: send us an email to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 5: You Know Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio.

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