1 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to a special edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells, 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: joined by the Titans Radio Draft duo coach Dave McGinnis 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: and Rhett Brian. Thank you guys so much for being 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: here again. I'm taking over for Mike Keith, and I'm 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: really excited to take some time to talk about defensive backs. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Are you guys ready for this? Amy is so glad 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: to be here with both of you. This is great. 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Let's go all right, Well, let's start with cornerbacks, and Mac, 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: I want to start with you. If an NFL team 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: wanted to take two corners in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: would this be a good year to do it? Amy 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: pertinent question, and the answer is without a doubt yes. 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean the depth and the versatility in this position group. 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: You've got size, You've got length, You've got transitionability, catch 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: point production, you got lateral mobility, jam mobility in the 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: lot and press manability on the outside. Any flavor that 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: you want for a cover person, for a cover person, 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: you have in this draft, and I think you have 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: it in numbers going throughout the draft. Now, Rudder, They're 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: specific qualities about this group of corners that makes them 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: so impressive to you, to echo kind of what coach 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Maxman saying. If you want a nickel cornerback, if you 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: want an outside corner, you want a slot corner. You 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: want a big guy, you want a smaller, athletic, physical 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: guy that's like Malcolm Butler kind of guy. There are 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: so many corners that are going to be taken in 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: this draft, and not just in the top you know, 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: fifty picks. I mean, there are corners galore in this thing. 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: It's like a lot like what we discussed in the 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: previous OTP about how deep the wide receiver position is. 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Cornerbacks a lot the same in this Now, Mackett seems 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: that Ohio states Jeff Okuda has kind of separated himself 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: and made him the clear number one corner in this draft. 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: What is it about him that makes him so special? 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: You know what, Amy, I'm going to read you my report, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, just just from watching tape on him. And 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: then and then we'll let the listeners decide, and the 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: and the three of us will decide if we like 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: what we're reading here. Quick feet excellent in man to man. 40 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: He's got good hips, He's got good mirror, which means 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: he can stay with stay with them when they move, 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: his body, control, his transition. He's a contact player, which 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: is which is important. He's a good tackler. I didn't 44 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: see any matchup limitations. He's scheme versatile. He's an elite athlete. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: He didn't run in you know, he ran a good time. 46 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: He was under four or five. He's an elite athlete. 47 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: But but his his his technique, his eye discipline. I 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: mean he's best in man to man. He can get 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: better with his technique like all of them can. He's 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: got good ball steals, ball skills, and the other thing 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: that I wrote down, he's sticky, which means he can 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: motor and mirror with receivers. And he's not the only 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: one in this draft that can do it. But he's 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: got length and he's got that hip flexibility too. And 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: let me echo what coach Mack is saying here in 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: terms of he's played a lot of college football at 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: a big time level. He was a five star recruit 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: out of Grand Prairie, Texas top cornerback in that class 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: coming into college recruiting. Entered a semester early at Ohio State, 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: which found him starting all fourteen games at a true freshman. 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: Crazy year for him that freshman year as mom died 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: of lymphoma. Blue chip traits for this guy, though, and 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: he played very well as a freshman, had shoulder surgery after, 64 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: has played very well since, and top to bottom, he 65 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: is the best corner in this draft. He will be 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl corner probably as a rookie in the NFL. 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: So who do you think are some of the people 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: behind him who are in the conversation as being that 69 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: number two corner in this draft? Couple of three guys 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: in this CJ. Henderson of Florida is one that will 71 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: be mentioned a lot, Christian Fulton of LSU, Trayvon Diggs 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: of Alabama, Jeff Gladney of ECU. I'd say it's between CJ. 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Henderson of Florida and Christian Fulton of LSU. I agree 74 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: with that, and I would throw one more in there 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: just for fun, maybe Treyvon Diggs. You know, you know, 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: you know at Alabama that he said, But but you 77 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: these guys are clustered, and as Red has mentioned and 78 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: we've talked about that these you're going to be able 79 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: to get and it's not necessarily you have to get 80 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: one just to get a good one. You're going to 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: be able to get a player, all right, Right, you 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: gave me a couple names there. How many corners do 83 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: you think go in the first round of the twenty 84 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft. I think there are five. I think 85 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Okuda, as we have mentioned, is one CJ. Henderson 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: of Florida, as another Christian Fulton of LSU, Treyvon Diggs 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: of Alabama, and either A. J. Terrell of Clemson or 88 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney of TCU, and all of these guys have 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: seriously good backgrounds as corners in this draft. Now he's 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: touched him. I mean, that's that's that's that's what I 91 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: think you're looking at. And so it just a ends 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: on what type of corner you need to fit into 93 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: your scheme or your system, because there are some guys 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: when you look at them amy, some have more man 95 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: to man traits that you can see. Now traits can 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: be developed clearly, but some people are are are a 97 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: little bit better in matchup zone. So but whatever you need, 98 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: I think you'll be able to get. And I think 99 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Rhet touched him. All right, that's day one. Let's move 100 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: on to day two of the NFL Draft. Who are 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: some corners who might be really good value players that 102 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: you can get in those second and third rounds. Your 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: guy from Auburn, Noah say it Amy, Noah Igbinogeny, that's great. 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: I've been practicing awesometha I wanted you to say that. 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: So from Auburn, Jalen Johnson from Utah. And then there's 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys of slot guys that that 107 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: are that are important that I'm gonna bring up that 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: Rhet's done some extensive work on Troy Pride from Notre Dame, 109 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: Darnay Holmes from UCLA, And so I mean those are 110 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: those are just four names of Day two values that 111 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: will be there at this position. There'd be another one too, 112 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: that is Damon Arnette from Ohio State, who as an 113 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: interesting story heading into this draft, and we'll get to 114 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: him in a minute. But Noah Igmanogeny track family. His 115 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: mother Faith won a bronze medal with the four by 116 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: one hundred relay team of Nigeria in nineteen ninety two. 117 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: His dad Festus won five SEC titles and long a 118 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: triple jumps at Mississippi State. In fact, holds the Alabama 119 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: state record for triple jump, So there's some serious track 120 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: background in this. He was a top twenty five wide 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: receiver recruit in twenty seventeen. He played fourteen games at 122 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver, was their primary kick returner his freshman year 123 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: twenty eight point three yards per return as a freshman, 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: continued to return kicks, though he switched to defense later 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and has played two years at corner. He's still learning 126 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: the position, but he has really good athletic skills and 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: tremendous upside as a corner coming into the NFL. All right, Rhett, 128 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Time after time we see in position groups that have 129 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: a lot of depth, there is some really good talent, 130 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: some first round talent that falls way deep down. You're 131 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: able to get a great pick in the third day 132 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: of the draft. Are there some guys within this group 133 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: who have first round talent but aren't going to be 134 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: picked until Day three? I don't know that there's any 135 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: that will be picked that far down that have first 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: round talent, But I can give you one example of 137 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: a guy who has first round talent who will probably 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: be in Night two, and that's Damon Arnette of Ohio State, 139 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: six foot one, nine five. He came out of the 140 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: famous Saint Thomas Acquitas High School and Fort Larderdale that 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: has just a chain of NFL players come out of 142 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: that place. And the thing about him. He played pretty 143 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: well his freshman year at Ohio State, but when Carrie 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: Combs came here to the Titans to be the defensive 145 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: backs coach and the secondary coach of the Titans, he 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't get along with his coaches there, and he even 147 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: said as much that he was late to meetings, he 148 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: had missed a team flight, he had checked out. He 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: was going to go to the NFL, but there was 150 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: one thing that kept him from doing that. He heard 151 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: a voice from a Hall of Fame player and wide receiver, 152 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Chris Carter, and he said, son, you're not ready for 153 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: the NFL at all. You don't have enough film, you 154 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: don't have enough skills. You've got to sharpen what you're doing. 155 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: You need to go back to Ohio State. And he 156 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: had already made up his mind. I'm entering the draft 157 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: this time a year ago. He was ready to go in. 158 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: He said, dear, not ready, and he listened to that. 159 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: He took it to heart. He played all of twenty 160 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: nineteen with a broken wrist and still played very well. 161 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: But he's got some ground to make up in these 162 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: team interviews that he would have had at the combine 163 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and things like that to kind of see where his 164 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: gage is and taking his temperature on how much he 165 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: loves football, and it's clear that he loves it. He's 166 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: got to make up some ground. And because of those 167 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: things that happened to him in twenty nineteen in twenty 168 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: eighteen season going into twenty nineteen, that's a reason he 169 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: will slip into Round two or three. But he is 170 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: probably a first round prospect because of his athletic skill set. Yeah, 171 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, and Rett has taken a deep dive into 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: this and that's I mean, that's excellent. He's a one 173 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: hundred percent right. And there you talk about Day three 174 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: guys that don't not necessarily first round talent, but Day 175 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: three guys that can play amy and I'm going to 176 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: give you a couple of names, and Retz got a 177 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: couple of names too, you know, as we go through this, 178 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Javelin Gidrie from Utah Ran four three zero, I mean, 179 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: this guy, this guy's gonna play somewhere, and a sang 180 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: Bassie from Wake Forest for four to six. This guy's 181 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: gonna play. Also weird. This is a Day three guy. 182 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Retz got a couple of Day three guys. You know 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: he wants to talk about it too. I'll give you 184 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: one that has been rumored to have visited with the Titans, 185 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: and this is this kid named a Meek Robertson out 186 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: of Louisiana Tech. One of three hundred and thirty seven 187 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: invited to the combine again from LA Tech. Small physical corner, 188 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: five eight hundred and eighty seven pounds. He's been rumored 189 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: to schedule with a top thirty prospect visit with the 190 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Eagles this week. As a matter of fact, probably a 191 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: slot corner. He is not scared of big receivers. He's 192 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: very physical. In fact, he is a Thibodaux, Louisiana native 193 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: and his hero is the honey Badger Tyranne Matthew and 194 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: he kind of patterns his style after that. But in 195 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: him three years at Louisiana Tech, one hundred eighty four tackles, 196 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: fourteen career interceptions, thirty four pass breaks, up breakups, twenty 197 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: three tackles for loss, four sacks, three defensive touchdowns, and 198 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: two block kicks, and he moved from inside to outside 199 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: after his freshman year. In other words, all the things 200 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: you'd see playing big level football in a small pond 201 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: as a small school guy. He's a guy I would look. 202 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: And then Kendall Wilder from Georgia Southern. He's in Atlanta Native, 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: didn't get and offer from about from a power five 204 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: school five ten one ninety nine and ran a four 205 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: four four forty. He was also a combined invite thirty 206 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: nine and a half inch vertical eleven foot broad jump 207 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: more quick than fast. But he is absolutely somebody to 208 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: watch in this and he is on some invite list 209 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: in this thing. And he would be a Day three 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: guy coming out of Georgia's Southern. But a couple of 211 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: interesting prospects there, you know, like ht said, and we've 212 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: got a great example of and John Robinson said it, 213 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: you know with Kevin Byard, I mean, how many interceptions 214 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: do you have at middle nineteen? Well, you don't do 215 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: that by mistake and just what Rhett mentioned, you know, 216 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: with a Meek Robertson, you don't have that. I don't 217 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: care where you're playing. You you've got to have a 218 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: GPS to the ball to be able to be around 219 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: that many footballs and then to be able to go 220 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: make play. So the cornerbacks, I think it's going to 221 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: be interesting in this draft. Well, let's talk about safeties 222 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: for a little bit. Then coach, does a safety even 223 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: go in the first round? Do you think? I think 224 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney from Alabama, in my humble opinion, it will 225 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: be the best chance. I know people are putting Grant 226 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Delpot out there. In my mind, I would I would 227 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: bet on Xavier McKinney from Alabama being the first guy taken. 228 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of a medical issue, but 229 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: to me, McKinney from Alabama would be my choice one 230 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent right and he would be the safety in 231 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: this And another one that will be mentioned right behind 232 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: him that with some pre draft is it's maybe he 233 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: has a better and a pro day, maybe has a 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: better opportunity to sneak into the bottom of the first 235 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: round is Grant Delpot, who's a big safety six three 236 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: two and change. But his knock on him is that 237 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: he has some tackling issues because of an upright pursuit style. 238 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: So there's some things to work out there and a 239 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: few injury things. But he was on that LSU team 240 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: that made a national championship run. So he's made a 241 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: name for himself. He's a guy that will probably be 242 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the second safety taken, and then there's some guys on 243 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: down the line. It's not a great ear for safety, 244 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: but there is some value in the LA picks a 245 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Cavan Wallace from Clemson, Antoine Winfield, junior from Minnesota whose 246 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: dad played fourteen years as a cornerback in the NFL. 247 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for a guy that can do 248 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: just about anything, Xavier McKinney's probably your guy. Right. You 249 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: don't become one of two members of the draft duo 250 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: without having an eye for talent. And in your evaluation, 251 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: I know it is, there's only two of you in 252 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: your evaluation. Do you think that this is a good 253 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: year for safeties overall? No, no, I don't, And I 254 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: think it's a couple of these top guys we mentioned, 255 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: and then some solid contributor type guys that will be 256 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: rotational safeties in play in their first couple of years 257 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: in the league. Maybe a guy gets bigger and stronger 258 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: and faster with some you know, getting in an NFL 259 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: weight room and a building with some training. But for 260 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: the most part, it's it's down the line after those 261 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: first couple of guys we mentioned in at Xavier McKinney 262 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: from Alabama or a Grant Delpit from Las Yeah, there's 263 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: some guys that have athletic traits. And when when you 264 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: start looking at safeties, what I always did, you know, 265 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: all the years that I've done this is trying to 266 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: find athletic traits. I mean, there's two guys that are 267 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: intriguing to me just because the athleticism that shows up. 268 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: Because a lot of the thing about playing safety you've 269 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: got to have the athleticism, but you also have to 270 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: have the instincts. And then both of these are smaller 271 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: school guys. Jeremy Chen from Southern Illinois is a guy 272 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: that's that's very interesting. He's sixty three, two hundred nineteen pounds. 273 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: If our listeners want to look at him, he's number two, 274 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: but he's got a quick trigger as a run defender. 275 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: He's got good directional delivery keys. In other words, he 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: can zero in on a quarterback and he can take 277 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: he can jump, he's able to jump balls. They run 278 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: a lot of two high look there, uh, and so 279 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know where his reading recognition would be. But 280 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: he's a tough player and as a safety, I like 281 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: to watch, you know, the physical part. And then Kyle 282 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Dugger from Lenora Ryan now Lenora Ryan is a small, 283 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: small school six one, two hundred and seventeen pounds. He's 284 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: an athlete. You all you have to do is look 285 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: at his numbers in the combine. Both of these guys 286 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: numbers in the combines verified what I am talking about 287 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: as far as the athleticism. So Jeremy chan Southern Illinois, 288 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger, Lenore Ryan, a couple of names they'll be drafted. 289 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger is the Cliff Harris Award winner this year, 290 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: which is the top defensive back in Division two in 291 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: three football. In a really good list of candidates in 292 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: there of guys you can find in value in the 293 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: later rounds in this draft. Now, Mac, you mentioned traits 294 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: a minute ago, and I want to ask you about 295 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: safeties who have corneredback traits. So I guess what I 296 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: mean is that they're able to play in a lot 297 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: of different places throughout the defense. Are there some of 298 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: those players in this draft? Yeah? I mean when when 299 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: you look at it, I mean, and I've tried to 300 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: look at this, you know, with with that kind of 301 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: in mind, there's a guy in Utah named Julian Blackman. 302 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: You know, you know, size wise, five eleven six, one 303 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eighty seven pounds, but he's got nearly 304 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: seventy six inch wingspan, which means he's got length, which 305 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: is something that you'd like. And then Shaheen Carter from Alabama. 306 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: He played the star position there, which is a very 307 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: versatile position in that defense that Nick Saban and a 308 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: lot of Southeastern Conference defensive coordinators run five ten four 309 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: ninety four pounds, again nearly a seventy two inch wingspan. 310 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Those to me, those two guys could possibly be guys 311 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: that that in an emergency you might could be able 312 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: to drop down. I think you go back to the 313 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney guy from Alabama. He plays the star position. 314 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: He was in front of the aforementioned it was a 315 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: guy thank you. UM. And this guy, you know, he 316 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: can play will linebacker, mike linebacker, UM. Safety. He did 317 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: that in college. Uh and could be in around the 318 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Blitzer. Uh. He was a He's a Roswell, 319 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: Georgia native, Top fifty prospect class seven eight defensive player 320 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: of the Year in high school in Georgia eighty eight 321 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: tackles seven interceptions in twenty nineteen for the for the 322 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Crimson Tide. He's a guy and he has to get 323 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: safety top twenty percent safety forty time in the last 324 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: twenty years at safety, so he's got that kind of 325 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: skill set. But there are some interesting guys who come 326 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: from interesting backgrounds and playing on both sides of the 327 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: ball that may be able to give you some an 328 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: added value like that, but he would be the top 329 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: of the class that could do that for you. All right. 330 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: For my final question with the draft duo, I want 331 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: you guys to get out your notebooks start flipping through 332 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. I want to know who you think 333 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: is the most intriguing safety prospect in this draft, who 334 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: will either be a late round draft pick or maybe 335 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: we'll go undrafted. Is there a guy in this draft 336 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: that you're excited to see what happens as he's picked 337 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: in later rounds? Okay? I have two, all right. The 338 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: first one is this kid named Jerry Elder from Westchester 339 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: University in Westchester, Pennsylvania. Five ten four five is speed. 340 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: He's working on trimming down his forty time because he's 341 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: training with gold medal track champion Michael Johnson and McKinney Texas. 342 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: This guy had an offer from Temple but decided to 343 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: play at Westchester University because his brothers are running back there. 344 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: But he played nickel strong safety. Has a family of 345 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: athletes he come from, got a couple of cousins that 346 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: play in the NFL. But he's a captain, three year starter, 347 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven tackles, forced twenty turnovers in 348 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: his college career at Westchester. The other one is this 349 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: kid named Luther Kirk from Illinois State six two one 350 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: ninety eight, so he's prototypical size. He was the East 351 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: West Shrine game defensive MVP with a couple of tackles 352 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: in an interception. Was a two way star for Garland 353 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: High School in Garland, Texas. He played quarterback and defensive backs, 354 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: but he made a choice to play defensive back and 355 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: play on that side of the ball for Illinois State 356 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: and going to that full time. And again, he's a 357 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: honey badger type of guy, a sure tackle or a 358 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: physical guy. He's played both safety spots. He's a guy 359 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: I'd be interested to look at further but Luther Kirk 360 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: from Illinois State, Jerry Elder from Westchester University. Now I 361 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: got three for you, Amy, just and these are down 362 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: the line guys that they get a chance to play, 363 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna be core teamers. JR. Reid from Georgia six 364 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: one hundred ninety four pounds and number twenty's the red 365 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: shirt senior. He's really a strong in the box player. 366 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't look like a single high guy, but he's aggressive 367 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage and a lot of time 368 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: you need some tacklers, especially in altered defenses. Antoine Brooks 369 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: Junior from Maryland five eleven, two hundred and thirteen pounds. 370 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: He wore number twenty five there. This is a shorter, 371 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: stout build guy. He's a really good tackler, and I 372 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: don't think he's got elite quickness, but he's got a 373 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: tough demeanor. He's an active player, he's got effort, he's 374 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: got tackling skills. I think I think he would be 375 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: a core teams player just because that's what he looks 376 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: like as far as playing. That's a down the line guy. 377 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: And my last guy Josh Mttellers from Michigan Josh mttell 378 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: Us from Michigan five eleven to ten number four team. 379 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: He's a physical player. Again, he's down the line because 380 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: of space issues a little bit. But when you're starting 381 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: to look down the line, you want guys that can tackle, 382 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: and you want guys that have physical attributes as far 383 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: as because the game still is about tackling and when 384 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: you're playing defense. Those three guys Jr. Reid, Antoine Brooks, 385 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: Josh Mattelis those are my three. You guys have been 386 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: doing some serious evaluating. Are you getting tired yet, you're 387 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: slowing down? You're just getting started, Yes, getting started. That's awesome. 388 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: As thank you guys so much for sitting down with 389 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: us talking a little defensive backs. The draft duo here 390 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: for another day. Amy Wells, great job of driving this train. 391 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: He did a tremendous job. Well you know you guys 392 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: are easy but ret Brian Coach Mack, thank you so 393 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: much for being here. I'm Emmy Wells and this has 394 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: been the OTP