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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Can the family of murder

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Speaker 1: victim a beautiful young girl, Gabby Petito bring a wrongful

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Speaker 1: death lawsuit against the Moat Police Department for Gabby's death.

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Speaker 1: If you will recall, Gabby and her killer slash fiance,

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, were pulled over by Moab police. Witnesses had

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Speaker 1: seen Brian Laundry hitting Gabby in the face. Yet after

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry takes off in the car and Gabby Potito's

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Speaker 1: for a transit, almost leaving her behind, she had to

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Speaker 1: try and jump in the car window. He was leaving

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Speaker 1: not only in her for transit, but everything she owned

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Speaker 1: in the world. She had single handedly customized the transit

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Speaker 1: for a cross country trip in the heat of the moment.

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Speaker 1: After hitting her in the face, he tries to drive

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Speaker 1: off with her transit at all her worldly belongings. She

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Speaker 1: finally gets in and not too far out of the city,

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Speaker 1: she's pulled over along with Laundry who's driving, and believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, the Moa police name her as the

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Speaker 1: aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiancee, Brian laundry.

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Speaker 1: So bottom line, can her family sue the Moa Police Department? Well,

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Speaker 1: as of right now, believe it or not, the answer

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Speaker 1: is no. But let me get I predict this case

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Speaker 1: ain't over yet and that it will become extremely complicated

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Speaker 1: and contentious. Remember this happened in Moab, Utah. The Utah

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Speaker 1: Seventh District Court Judge Don Torgerson agreed with the city

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Speaker 1: of Moab. They requested that the Gabby Potito family motion

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Speaker 1: be dismissed, and the judge went along with it. He

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Speaker 1: basically said, this is too big for a district court

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Speaker 1: to decide, and appeals courts will have to determine if

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Speaker 1: the Potitos had a case. Now, many people argue that

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Speaker 1: Judge Torgerson had no choice but grant the request to

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Speaker 1: dismiss the case based on something called governmental immunity. It's

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Speaker 1: also called sovereign immunity, which dates all the way back

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Speaker 1: to our common law from Great Britain. The king can

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Speaker 1: do no wrong. In other words, you can't sue the

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Speaker 1: king and hear you can't sue the government. So what

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Speaker 1: of the Potatoes are asking is for the judge to

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Speaker 1: rule against sovereign immunity. Well, I think everybody else is wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think Torgersen could have gone along with the Potatos,

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Speaker 1: but he hid behind his robes and decided not to act.

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Speaker 1: Let's do a little reality check about what happened to

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Speaker 1: Gabby Potito. Take a listen to our friend Jenna Dangeli's

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Speaker 1: at CBS two.

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Speaker 2: An emotional mother holding on to a photo of her

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Speaker 2: daughter is desperate for her to come home.

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Speaker 1: Scary and nerve wrecking. We don't sleep, We're just actively

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Speaker 1: looking for her.

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Speaker 2: Gabby Potito's family reported her missing Saturday to Suffolk County Police.

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Speaker 2: The twenty two year old with blue point was on

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Speaker 2: a cross country road trip, but kept in touch with

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Speaker 2: her mom at.

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Speaker 1: Least three times a week. We've been FaceTime called tex frequently.

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Speaker 1: She kept me updated on this whole trip.

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Speaker 2: Her mother says they last facetimed about three weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: The last text she received was on August thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: The first couple.

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Speaker 3: Of days, though I wasn't getting responses.

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Speaker 1: I believe she was in a place with no service.

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Speaker 4: It took it was like day eight and nine that

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Speaker 1: I've been on that exact route before with the twins

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Speaker 1: in an RV and the mom is right. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of desk spots where you can't get a

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Speaker 1: sale to call out. We're looking at behavioral evidence. How

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Speaker 1: many days had passed before mom realized something was wrong?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at CBS two.

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Speaker 2: Police say she's believed to have last been in Wyoming's

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Speaker 2: Grand Teetown National Park. Video of the trip was uploaded

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Speaker 2: to YouTube August nineteenth. Her mother says she left New

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Speaker 5: I just believe she's in danger because is she not

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Speaker 5: in touch with us and she could be alone somewhere,

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Speaker 5: She could be stranded somewhere in the wilderness and.

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Speaker 1: She needs help. Well, is that what happened? Does she

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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend have an argument and he she stormed off?

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Speaker 1: Did he just leaver stranded? My question is why is

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Speaker 1: what happened to Gabrielle? As I told you, the van

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Speaker 1: is found in his parents' driveway back in Florida. But no, Gabby,

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Speaker 1: how did it all start? Take a listen to April

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Speaker 6: Gabby is originally from New York, but she was living

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Speaker 6: in Florida with her fiance at the time they took

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Speaker 6: tells Fox News that the couple touring national parks and

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Speaker 6: The couple actually documented most of their trip on Instagram

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Speaker 6: and YouTube. You're seeing it here, some of it showing

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Speaker 6: them hanging out in a tent outside Capital Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole,

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Speaker 1: That's very critical as a matter of fact, because that

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Speaker 1: travel on video, which I have watched over and over

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Speaker 1: and over, it's call I think nomadic static with the K,

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Speaker 1: you want to be with them on the camp or

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Speaker 1: this beautiful, wonderful trip. But it's critical to me because

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Speaker 1: her last Instagram posting linked to that video, and that's

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Speaker 1: really the last day as I understand the timeline that

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Speaker 1: we know her to be safe and alive about the video.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to her video Van Life. Take a

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Speaker 1: tiny listen. Yeah, I mean Pa never goes outside. You know,

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Speaker 1: you hear this beautiful, whimsical music throughout and it shows

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Speaker 1: them traveling the country. A lot of the shots our

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Speaker 1: they're flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch,

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Speaker 1: they went to the Mystic Hot Springs, They covered everything

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Speaker 1: beautiful in the West. How did it all go so

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Speaker 1: horribly wrong? With me? An all star panel to try

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Speaker 1: to make some sense of what we know right now?

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Speaker 7: With me?

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Speaker 1: Renowned trial attorney you know her well, Kathleen Murphy joining

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Speaker 1: us out of North Carolina. You can find her at

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Speaker 1: NC Domestic Law dot com. Karen is Stark, you know

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Speaker 1: her well. She is a psychologist, joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Manhattan at Karenstark dot com on Facebook Karen Stark. That's

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Speaker 1: with a c who hasized nearly every high profile criminal

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Speaker 1: case that I can think of. Joining me Lisa M. Daddio,

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Speaker 1: a former police lieutenant. And you have a police department

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Speaker 1: lecturer and the director of the Center for Advanced Policing

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Speaker 1: in be Haven and Emmy Award winning investigative reporter Christy Missourich. Christy,

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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning, tell me about how the

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Speaker 1: road trip. With the inception of the road.

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Speaker 8: Trip, they were living together in Florida, and this boyfriend

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Speaker 8: promotes himself as a nature enthusiast's.

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Speaker 1: Stop, what do you? May promote himself well.

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Speaker 8: On Facebook, in all of his other social media he

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Speaker 8: promotes himself as a nature enthusiast and believes that getting

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Speaker 8: better than being brainwashed by the media his words.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? You say it like there's something

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Speaker 1: wrong with being a nature enthusiast? And I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you, is nature enthusiast? Are those your words? Are

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Speaker 8: His words? His words?

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Speaker 1: And nature? Can I ask you this? What does he

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Speaker 8: Working at a public's grocery store?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, I'm glad you said that, because they both

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Speaker 1: worked at publics. But that's not where they met. Okay,

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Speaker 8: Will They originally meet in New York State and then

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Speaker 8: he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She

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Speaker 8: follows a few years later, so earlier this summer, they

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Speaker 8: decide that they are going to leave all of their

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Speaker 8: travel up to see her brother graduate in New York State,

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Speaker 1: Now it's my understanding. Christy, Missouri. They knew each other

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Speaker 1: He moves to Florida, she comes down with him. Her father,

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Speaker 1: The mom and her new husband stay in New York.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a judge dismisses Gabby Petito's family

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Speaker 1: suit against the Moab Police. I think it's completely wrong,

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Speaker 1: Gab's family lawyer, argued the ability to file a suit

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Speaker 1: like this is built into the Utah Constitution and that

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Speaker 1: the government immunity. As I was describing earlier, sovereign immunity

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Speaker 1: is unconstitutional, completely unconstitutional. Now, the judge, as I've seen

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Speaker 1: so many times before, this is Judge Don Torttersen goes

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Speaker 1: like something off HGTV where they have people that live

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Speaker 1: Gabby Gabrielle and boyfriend Laundry go on this What's in

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Speaker 1: a lifetime fantastic trip and they video blog it and

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Speaker 1: the blog is engrossing in one part. Karen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: She's in her tent. She says, we're going to hang

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Speaker 10: She's totally engrossing, and the whole trip. The only thing

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Speaker 10: that's what makes it so mysterious and upsetting to think

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Speaker 10: And Nancy, when you watched that, the only thing that

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Speaker 10: it is that they like to climb, and they really

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Speaker 1: You know, that's so funny, funny. Odd. I was up

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Speaker 1: super early this morning studying about Gabrielle Gabby and was

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Speaker 1: discussing it with my friend Medea, and she said, well,

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Speaker 1: what if they were posting on a cliff and Gabby

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Speaker 1: fell off? And my response was that could possibly have happened,

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Speaker 1: But why would he get in the van and come

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Speaker 1: all the way back home to Florida. Is it north

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Speaker 1: Port or North north Point, Christy Masurich, It's north Port

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Speaker 8: Nancy, to your point of all the cliff climbing. On

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Speaker 8: August twenty third, Gabby didn't post on Instagram that the

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Speaker 8: pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes through some dangerous

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Speaker 1: You know, back to you, Karen, with that knowledge. You know,

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Speaker 1: Christy massourk is right, the hiking was very forcarious. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, if that happened, why would he

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Speaker 15: Police found the van that they were potentially by the

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Speaker 15: Family in New York say that Gabrielle Pateto was on

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Speaker 1: What happened that fateful moment when Moap police ignored all

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Speaker 1: How come we didn't say that bodycam video to start with.

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Speaker 17: Great question, A great question and a question that we're asking.

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Speaker 17: I definitely have a cut it.

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Speaker 13: When I touch.

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Speaker 17: So this is what was new Gabby saying very clearly

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Speaker 10: He walked away to take it either, but I wanted

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Speaker 9: Happen here. It's like, did you get hit in the face?

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Speaker 11: The face, an over on your arm, shoulder just this

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Speaker 12: I'm I'm sure you.

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Speaker 14: Find so the back gotcha?

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Speaker 1: So she has a bruise and a cut on her face,

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Speaker 18: I'm doctor brin Blue County, Wyoming Corner. After a detailed

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Speaker 1: Massa's Society on the case from the very beginning. Were

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Speaker 13: I mean, it has been just an absolutely heartbreaking day.

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Speaker 13: We know that the Petito family knew this was coming,

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Speaker 13: But as you said, we just learned from the Titan

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Speaker 17: We had no other information about.

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Speaker 13: Her remains, as you mentioned right off the top, Nancy,

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Speaker 13: any potential prior injuries, that the body had been moved,

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Speaker 13: none of that. The Chutung County corner doctor Brent Blue

442
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Speaker 13: kept saying that his job was only to determine the

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Speaker 13: cause of death and the manner of death. Reporters were

444
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Speaker 13: peppering him with tons of questions. Everyone was asking him

445
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Speaker 13: about Brian Laundry, about the potential suspect, and he kept

446
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Speaker 13: saying that he could reveal nothing about the success. But

447
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Speaker 13: then he made a statement that to me was stunning.

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Speaker 13: He said, unfortunately, and I'm quoting here, he said, this

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Speaker 13: is only one of many deaths around the country of

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Speaker 13: people who were involved and domestic violence. And when he

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Speaker 13: said that, that just struck me because he said he

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Speaker 13: couldn't reveal anything about the suspects. But then he made

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Speaker 13: that statement to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor angel Arnold, psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta at

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Speaker 1: ANGELA Arnold MD dot com. What do you think we

456
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Speaker 1: have finally learned the cause of death, not manner cause

457
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Speaker 1: she was strangled. And I guarantee you it was manual.

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Speaker 1: When I say manual vligator, I mean ligature is with

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Speaker 1: a pair of pantyhose or stocking or a scar. Manual

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Speaker 1: is with your hands. Yes, go ahead, Dodger, Nancy.

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Speaker 19: This is what I have been saying all along.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 19: The domestic violence, the intimate partner violence that was going on.

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Speaker 19: He slapped her, that was the last thing we saw.

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Speaker 3: We have it on.

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Speaker 19: They have hurt him a knitting to that strangulation. Strangulation

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Speaker 19: happens over time, Okay, the violence becomes more severe. This

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Speaker 19: is what was going on in this situation. My thought is,

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Speaker 19: I don't know, maybe they had another altercation in the van.

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Speaker 12: Y think you say they.

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Speaker 1: Got out of the band warden and he's female warden

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Speaker 1: that said, hey, you need to rethink whether you want

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Speaker 1: to go forward this guy. It's toxic.

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Speaker 11: Do you remember that, Cheryl Nancy?

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Speaker 20: I remember, And that's one of the things that makes

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Speaker 20: me so hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now you've got complete strangers coming up to

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Speaker 1: her and saying, hey, little girl, this is bad. You

479
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Speaker 1: need to get out of this. And now she's dead

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Speaker 1: by manual strangulation.

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Speaker 20: There's two things that happened in that instant, that female

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Speaker 20: officer saying to her, your relationship being toxic, and during

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Speaker 20: that event, right there on the side of the road,

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Speaker 20: her calling her parents, let's.

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Speaker 1: Look back at that Moab August twelfth incident as it's

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Speaker 1: been being called. When finally she revealed that Ryan Laundry

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Speaker 1: grabbed her by the face and I can just see

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Speaker 1: that hand going down to her neck. I mean, can

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Speaker 1: anybody but me visualize this happening to her? I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's basically told us what happened, and you know.

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Speaker 14: What Laundry said. Nancy Laundry said that she lost her

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Speaker 14: balance but was able to scratch his face, just what

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Speaker 14: we were talking about before. So both of them, in

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Speaker 14: some sense give us some of the clues that we're

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Speaker 14: looking for now.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Gabby's family begged the court

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Speaker 1: to end police immunity, not for the whole government, but

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Speaker 1: just police immunity in a fifty million dollar lawsuit against

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Speaker 1: the MOEIPD, noting that before she died, Moab police were

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Speaker 1: called to a domestic violence complaint involving the pair. Gabby's

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Speaker 1: family insists responding officers did not take the complaint seriously,

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Speaker 1: The Moai police insists that Gabby Petito, this waif weighs

503
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Speaker 1: about one hundred and five pounds versus Brian Laundry approaching

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Speaker 1: two hundred pounds, she was the aggressor. Did they miss

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Speaker 1: every classic symptom of battering that she was abused? The denial,

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Speaker 1: the hysterical crying, the desire not to be separated, the taking,

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Speaker 1: the blame herself, explaining away her own injuries, ignoring the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call that had just happened for a

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Speaker 1: witness outside, I believe the Moonflower co Op Cafe saw

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry hitting her in the face on the street

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Speaker 1: and broad daylight, and still, even with that knowledge, called

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Speaker 1: her the aggressor. Okay, you know what I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to is very very disturbing to me.

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Speaker 1: It start cut four twenty eight is Nate Carlyle at

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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Here on what's labeled page two, the captain takes a

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Speaker 3: moment to ponder, would Gabby be alive today if this

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Speaker 3: case was handled differently? That is an impossible question to answer.

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Speaker 3: For his part, Krett told the captain, who worried taking

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Speaker 3: Patito to jail, would in bulk and laundry. So if

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Speaker 3: he's going to go bail her out, is he not

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Speaker 3: going to have more control over her now? Pratts quoted

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Speaker 3: as saying, well, I've said it would adopt the recommendations

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Speaker 3: to improve training and added domestic violence specialist to oversee

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Speaker 3: incidents investigated by its officers.

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Speaker 1: So they're still sticking with They're going down with the ship.

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Speaker 1: They refused to admit, they screwed up, they had laundry,

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Speaker 1: They did nothing, and they let him go and now

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Speaker 1: she's dead.

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Speaker 7: Jump intow what I used to teach domestic violence at

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Speaker 7: police academies in Florida. One of the things that's mandated,

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Speaker 7: certainly in Florida and is now mandated everywhere is to

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Speaker 7: arrest one of the parties. And there's even legislation that

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Speaker 7: prohibits individuals from suing the police if they arrest the

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Speaker 7: wrong person. So back at that time that this happened,

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Speaker 7: they should have arrested either one or both of these

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Speaker 7: individuals and that would have resolved the problem at least

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Speaker 7: for a moment.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the Moai police and the investigation by

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Speaker 1: the neighboring county. I believe it was Price County.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was Price police who did the investigation. The

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Speaker 9: Moab Police department is very small, and then the chief

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Speaker 9: takeaways from the investigation into their handling of the traffic

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Speaker 9: stop or the domestic violence stop.

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Speaker 21: Was that these officers involved need more training and they

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Speaker 21: should go back on probation. And you know, if a

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Speaker 21: small department, they're probably not trained as a lot of

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Speaker 21: the big city departments were used to dealing with. So

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Speaker 21: they're saying, hindsighty's twenty twenty, we had no idea that

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Speaker 21: Brian was a killer. And that's the point that they're

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Speaker 21: sticking to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that. I agree with them on that,

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Speaker 1: But in this day and age, I mean, women are

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Speaker 1: beaten all across the world. It doesn't matter if you're

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Speaker 1: in a small town or a big city like New

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Speaker 1: York City. It doesn't matter if you dropped out of

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Speaker 1: school in the sixth grader, if you've got your PHID.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you make two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, or you make thirty thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: or if you have one child, no children, or six children.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Women are abused, beaten, senseless across the board.

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Speaker 1: None of that socio economic distinctions, none of them matter period.

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Speaker 1: That has been proven statistically. So the fact that Moi

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Speaker 1: Police is a small jurisdiction, does that mean the women

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Speaker 1: there aren't getting beaten behind closed doors? No, it does not.

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Speaker 1: And right there on the main street, Michael Luis, we

567
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Speaker 1: have a witness calling nine one one that Gabby is

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Speaker 1: getting beaten basically on main street in broad daylight. What

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Speaker 1: they couldn't check that out and figure out this is Gabby?

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 9: I spoke with quite a few experts on the legal side,

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Speaker 9: in the law enforcement side, and you know, they found

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Speaker 9: the report a little bit lacking. They thought the findings

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Speaker 9: might not have been as as severe as they could be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let us talk about what you just said, Michael Luiz, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: let me get to my notes. I never saw any

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Speaker 1: photos that they took of Gabby's injury to her face.

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Speaker 1: They mentioned it in their BODYCM, but I didn't see

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Speaker 1: any video.

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Speaker 21: Did you They talk about them, Yeah, you're right, they

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Speaker 21: talk about him in the body cam, but there's no

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Speaker 21: documentation of them.

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Speaker 1: So they take pictures of Brian Laundry and his injury,

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Speaker 1: but not Gabby is yes, no, right, Okay. Did they

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Speaker 1: contact the nine one one caller who reported the Brian

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Speaker 1: laundry attack on Gabby? Did they call him? Michael Ruiz?

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Speaker 9: So we found out from this report they went, they

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Speaker 9: circled back with one witness, but that witness was not

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Speaker 9: the ninety one one caller, so.

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Speaker 1: That would be a note. They did not contact the

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Speaker 1: nine one one.

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Speaker 9: Caller, not the one who said he saw the I

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Speaker 9: think the quote I saw the gentleman being the lady

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Speaker 9: is what the nine one caller said.

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Speaker 1: Did they mention Gabby's injuries in their written report.

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Speaker 9: The best of my memory, I didn't see anything about it.

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Speaker 1: I heard is no, they did not. Did they understand

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Speaker 1: state law requirements for a claim of domestic assault Michael Ruis?

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Speaker 9: I would think so because Officer Pratt even said so

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Speaker 9: in his own body cam He said, you know, the

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Speaker 9: reason this law is on the books that we have

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Speaker 9: to arrest one is because down the line someone's going

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Speaker 9: to get killed.

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Speaker 1: The domestic violence domestic assault law in that jurisdiction, it

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Speaker 1: seems like they had skimmed it but didn't really know

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. In fact, in the final findings,

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Speaker 1: they stay the officers misunderstood state law requirements for domestic assault.

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Speaker 1: Did they ever consider or write in their report that

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry could be entered the potential suspect? Or was

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Speaker 1: it always Gabby.

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Speaker 9: In the initial police report it was Gabby? In the

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Speaker 9: review from Price, the captain who wrote that report said

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Speaker 9: that there was evidence that Gabby was a long term

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Speaker 9: victim of domestic abuse.

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Speaker 1: So in the officer's initial report, at the moment they

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Speaker 1: could have stopped Brian Laundry and maybe prevented Gabby's murder,

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Speaker 1: they never considered Brian Laundry as a potential suspect?

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Speaker 16: Is that correct?

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Speaker 9: From the initial reports? That's how it seems.

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Speaker 1: Did they ever connect either of them with mental health

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Speaker 1: caregivers such as even a volunteer like me at the

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Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center it's a toll free number. I manned

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Speaker 1: the hotline for nine years. Did they ever do that,

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Speaker 1: Michael Ruis?

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Speaker 7: They did.

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Speaker 9: They did bring Brian to a hotel through a charity

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Speaker 9: for domestic victims that they checked him into the hotel

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Speaker 9: through that charity. In the report from Price, we see

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Speaker 9: that they didn't connect them with professionals. They didn't give

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Speaker 9: them documentation.

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Speaker 1: So the answer would be no, would it not. I

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Speaker 1: guess not, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What are the classic symptoms

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Speaker 1: of a domestic violence victim? And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: I know that there are some men that are battered

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Speaker 1: and amused, but they are about one and a half

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Speaker 1: percent of the entire partner battering universe. So let's just

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Speaker 1: get real. Women are the victims. What are the symptoms

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Speaker 1: that Gabby Patito displayed, Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 12: Well, everything she displayed, I mean protecting the abuser, minimizing

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Speaker 12: the harm done for her self, blame not tailor telling

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Speaker 12: a cohesive history about what had.

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Speaker 1: Been done to her.

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Speaker 12: The fact is that she owns her part in the

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Speaker 12: things in the conflict. She says she's punched them in

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Speaker 12: the arm, but she minimizes that she punched them in

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Speaker 12: the arm because she was so frustrated and he was

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Speaker 12: driving erratically.

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Speaker 1: He was taking her van and her cell phone.

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Speaker 14: Exactly, and that you you put it more beautifully, that

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Speaker 14: I was trying to collect my thoughts on I know

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Speaker 14: he had taken the van, I know he had taken

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Speaker 14: the cell phone.

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Speaker 12: Well, that was that would be the final.

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Speaker 1: Sign nile denial that she is a domestic violence victim,

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Speaker 1: her injuries, the fact that she tried to minimize, as

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Speaker 1: you said, doctor Bethany, the damage to her. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, the classic signs

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Speaker 1: that she is a domestic violence victim. Saying would it

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Speaker 1: have stopped Gabby's murder is like reading the teelies. But

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Speaker 1: I know this, It would have been a much better

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Speaker 1: chance that she survived if she had gotten batter woman's counseling,

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Speaker 1: even over the phone with a volunteer at the shelter,

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Speaker 1: even that could have saved her life. But the officers,

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Speaker 1: to make themselves feel better, I guess, keep saying, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't think it would have made a difference. Really, well,

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Speaker 1: you'll never know because you screwed it up. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cup four two seven eight Carlisle Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 5: If I had any discression of this, I would separate

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Speaker 5: you guys from the day and.

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Speaker 9: Just give you warnings they stopped at each other.

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Speaker 5: Well, I lawfully don't.

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Speaker 3: Have discretion here yet. Veteran Moab police officer Eric Pratt

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Speaker 3: and the new officer he was trained by Daniel Robbins

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Speaker 3: dead let Gabby Batito and Brian laundry go The report

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Speaker 3: by a Price Utah police captain says that by law,

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Speaker 3: Patito should have been cited or arrested once officers determined

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Speaker 3: she was the aggressor. The captain sustained or confirmed multiple

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Speaker 3: complaints where Prad and Robbins failed to follow the law

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Speaker 3: in Moab's own policies, including failing to obtain witness statements

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Speaker 3: and properly documenting the roadside investigation.

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Speaker 1: So give me your finals, go ahead, Dell.

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Speaker 7: There's a fifty percent reduction in homicides in domestic violence

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Speaker 7: station is if one of the parties is arrested. That's

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Speaker 7: the statistic that led to all this legislation.

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Speaker 12: Bethany and I would say, if one of the classic

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Speaker 12: signs of abuse is leaving the woman alone in a

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Speaker 12: deserted place without resources, then all three men abused her.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a judge has ruled in the

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Speaker 1: favor of Moapp Police Department. Listen, I'm from LA law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However,

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Speaker 1: what happened that day was wrong. In the last hours

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Speaker 1: of judge rules in favor of Moapp Police Department against

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Speaker 1: the family of Gabby Patito. As I said earlier, it

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Speaker 1: ain't over yet. Goodbye,