Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted and Merry Christmas. From
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford and Wes Hodkwitz from Packers dot Com. We're
Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: and West. We are back from New Jersey. The Packers,
Speaker 1: for the first and only time in get a victory
Speaker 1: on the road. And it doesn't come easy, not that
Speaker 1: we thought it would, but thirty eight in overtime, a
Speaker 1: big fourth quarter comeback by Green Bay in this one
Speaker 1: to get the sixth win of the season. I don't
Speaker 1: know where you want to start as far as this comeback,
Speaker 1: because there was a lot that went into it on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Bottom line was the Packers
Speaker 1: were down thirty with one order to play, and they
Speaker 1: came back and got the job done. Here's what I
Speaker 1: really liked about this win for the Packers. They out
Speaker 1: offensed the Jets. The Packers defense, I think, as Joe
Speaker 1: Films said, they made some plays when they needed to.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you go back
Speaker 1: a tale as old as time. It's Aaron Rodgers making
Speaker 1: plays and it's guys around him. The skill position players
Speaker 1: doing their part. Was talking to Corey Linsley after the game,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know it was it was I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna use his exact terminology, but it was frustrating
Speaker 1: where they were at in the middle of the third
Speaker 1: quarter because they felt like they've done some good things,
Speaker 1: but they just didn't have that juice they needed juice.
Speaker 1: And with Rogers playing the way he did in the
Speaker 1: final I guess if you call at the overtime, probably
Speaker 1: final five minutes of that contest, you had Jamal Williams
Speaker 1: step up a hundred and fifty six total yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. You had, for the first time ever in
Speaker 1: franchise history, five different guys have sixty receiving yards in
Speaker 1: this contest, each one of them playing a part in
Speaker 1: addition to that, drawing some defensive pass interfere its penalties
Speaker 1: that ended up being really important when the Packers needed
Speaker 1: to rally. This team rallied, and I think it was
Speaker 1: kind of a heat check on Rogers and and everybody
Speaker 1: you can talk forever about wanting to play out the
Speaker 1: season and in pride and jersey and everything like that.
Speaker 1: When you're down fifteen points, Mike and everything's going against
Speaker 1: you against the team that's four and ten that's the
Speaker 1: ultimate gut check, and the Packers were able to pass
Speaker 1: that test. I think what was perhaps even more impressive
Speaker 1: than when you say down fifteen and the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about here, after the Packers had
Speaker 1: the early fourth quarter drive, kicked a field goal, they
Speaker 1: got it to thirty five to twenty three. But then
Speaker 1: the next time they got the ball only about nine
Speaker 1: minutes on the clock, down by twelve and on their
Speaker 1: own six yard line when the Jets pinned him deep
Speaker 1: with a punt nine minutes left, twelve point deficit, and
Speaker 1: you're ninety four yards from the first of two touchdowns
Speaker 1: that you need, and the Packers came through. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: the Jets had their share of past interference penalties, but hey,
Speaker 1: the bottom line is they weren't They didn't defend very well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know Todd Bowles had a
Speaker 1: bunch of complaints and everything about the calls, but there
Speaker 1: was a heck of a lot of contact there, and
Speaker 1: I thought the game was pretty much called that way
Speaker 1: all along. So the fact that the Jets didn't adjust
Speaker 1: and they continued to just grab and bump and everything
Speaker 1: else with the Packers down the field, that's their own
Speaker 1: fault that the flags kept flying. But Aaron Rodgers, he
Speaker 1: found that level of his game that is so fun
Speaker 1: and so exciting to watch in terms of the passing,
Speaker 1: the scrambling, the checks at the line of scrimmage, even
Speaker 1: a little read option there on two point conversion and
Speaker 1: all of that. A lot that went into this and
Speaker 1: uh um, and as you said, all these different guys
Speaker 1: for the Packers that had sixty plus receiving yards. You know,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams comes now he's just two catches away from
Speaker 1: breaking Sterling Sharp single season franchise record of a twelve.
Speaker 1: A lot of fun stuff in this one. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: the other thing I like too is a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that I think some people counted out played well
Speaker 1: in this game, starting probably with Aaron Rodgers himself for
Speaker 1: forty two passing yards, thirty two rushing, two rushing touchdowns
Speaker 1: for him after he didn't have one. The entire season
Speaker 1: really was dynamic in that way with moving the chains.
Speaker 1: But Jamal Williams, Jamal Williams, if you ever talked to him,
Speaker 1: he's always such a jovial, playful personality. But you really
Speaker 1: in the locker room afterwards, you could get a true
Speaker 1: sense for how much this game meant to him. And
Speaker 1: you know the fact that he went from week ten
Speaker 1: to week fourteen had twenty total touches, didn't complain, was
Speaker 1: still doing his dancing routine before the games and that,
Speaker 1: but he felt really confident in what he could do
Speaker 1: if he got the opportunity to play. He stepped up.
Speaker 1: Equinimius st Brown, Markquez Veldez, scantlink Um, you know, Justin
Speaker 1: McCrae has to pop in there at left guard after
Speaker 1: Lane Taylor leaves. And you know Jake Kumerou who you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite w water receiver forty nine yard catching touchdown yea.
Speaker 1: And early in the game, it was guys that I think,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say you necessarily didn't think could
Speaker 1: step up in those instances, But I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people had sort of counted out throughout the course
Speaker 1: of this season that made plays for Aaron Rodgers, especially
Speaker 1: down this you know, down the stretch of that football game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really liked what Jamal Williams did in this game.
Speaker 1: And as we're sitting here in the studio, I've been
Speaker 1: spending a portion of the day going through the offensive
Speaker 1: game film, finding not just the times Jamal Williams touched
Speaker 1: the football. He had fifteen rushes ninety five yards, six
Speaker 1: catches another sixty one yards, had the one rushing touchdown,
Speaker 1: which was a tremendous display of of just grit and
Speaker 1: balance and everything that went into that seven yard score.
Speaker 1: But finding all these other things on film that he
Speaker 1: did that will be I think a really interesting piece
Speaker 1: for my what you might have missed this week. The
Speaker 1: way he carried out play fixed, the way he picked
Speaker 1: up blitz is, the way he just occupied linebackers as
Speaker 1: as a safety valve type of receiver. All these things
Speaker 1: that went into some significant plays that the Packers made
Speaker 1: in the game. So my hat's off to Williams. You
Speaker 1: talk about his jovial personality, is dancing and everything like
Speaker 1: that between the whistles, so to speak, from the snap
Speaker 1: to the whistle, I guess I should say, and when
Speaker 1: that helmet is on, this is a different breed of cat.
Speaker 1: He really plays hard, but then after the whistle it's
Speaker 1: like he's smiling and dancing and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: hopping around. He's a he's he's a different kind of guy.
Speaker 1: But boy, he's been he's been really fun to watch here.
Speaker 1: This is where I get kind of frustrated with Packer
Speaker 1: fans because it was and I'm not trying to single
Speaker 1: anybody out or rip on anybody here, but you know,
Speaker 1: they were midway through the season there was a lot
Speaker 1: of people wondering why the Packers, you know, just aren't
Speaker 1: going full time to Aaron Jones. But if you really
Speaker 1: break it down, like with with Williams being a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick last year, Jamal Williams fits this offense as
Speaker 1: well as any running back I think the Packers have
Speaker 1: had during my time on the beat. Jones is really explosive.
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacey was a phenomenal power back. But the about
Speaker 1: Williams is I was thinking about this during the game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. This is no disrespect whatsoever to James Starks,
Speaker 1: but he is a more durable, better pass protecting version
Speaker 1: of Starks. Now, Starks eventually got there in his career.
Speaker 1: He became a better pass catcher and became a better
Speaker 1: pass protector. But Jamal Williams has done that from day one,
Speaker 1: in addition to the fact of being a prototypical between
Speaker 1: the tackles power rusher in a lot of ways, as
Speaker 1: much as Aaron Jones is a phenomenal runner. Is gonna
Speaker 1: be really is going to be successful in this league.
Speaker 1: You know, Davante Adams made a comment after the game,
Speaker 1: and it's somewhat hyperbole saying that, you know, Jamal Williams,
Speaker 1: for other teams could get the snaps. We know how
Speaker 1: the league is structured now, but he is that type
Speaker 1: of running back. So if he needs to play eight
Speaker 1: five snaps or whatever it ended up being in this contest,
Speaker 1: he can do that. So that's why I've never really
Speaker 1: understood this reputation he's gotten with some fans is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Jamal Williams is exactly what the Packers have
Speaker 1: looked for historically from the running back position. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a tough son of a gun. That's I mean. When
Speaker 1: I watch when I watch him play, I just it
Speaker 1: just speaks toughness to me. Whether he's blocking, whether he's
Speaker 1: got the ball in his hands, there's a there's just
Speaker 1: a way he plays the game that that you can
Speaker 1: really appreciate. Um, I want to get to a couple
Speaker 1: of things on the defensive side of the ball as
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Speaker 1: as I look back through some of the film and
Speaker 1: looking at the play by play of this game, I
Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to the Packers defense, not
Speaker 1: only the sack by Blake Martinez early in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter that got a stop and then led to the
Speaker 1: first of those points in the eighteen straight points the
Speaker 1: Packers scored when it was thirty five to twenty, and
Speaker 1: then the defense did take advantage of some Jets penalties
Speaker 1: that got them off schedule some long down and distances.
Speaker 1: But after the Packers take the lead thirty eight thirty five.
Speaker 1: A breakdown on special teams. Packers had a lot to
Speaker 1: overcome on special teams in this game. Andre Roberts with
Speaker 1: the long returns, the fake punt, all of that. Roberts
Speaker 1: returns that kickoff with the Jets trailing now thirty five
Speaker 1: returns at fifty one yards gets it inside Green Bay's
Speaker 1: forty yard line. There's still over a minute on the
Speaker 1: clock here, Wes and the Packers defense has to take
Speaker 1: the field just protecting a three point lead. Sam Donald
Speaker 1: was having a great game, maybe one of his best
Speaker 1: games of his rookie season. Completes two eight passes. It's
Speaker 1: first down on the fifteen yard line with thirty six
Speaker 1: seconds to go. Sam Donald has three cracks to win
Speaker 1: this game for the New York Jets. The Packers defense,
Speaker 1: playing without Jairo Alexander, the top cover corner who left
Speaker 1: the game in the first half with a groin injury,
Speaker 1: rises up, get some pressure, gets forces three straight in completions,
Speaker 1: and the Jets have to settle for the tying field goal.
Speaker 1: First down on the fifteen yard line with thirty six
Speaker 1: seconds left and three shots at the end zone to
Speaker 1: win the game. That's a that's a tough situation for
Speaker 1: any defense to be in. And uh and the Packers
Speaker 1: defense did what it had to do. A couple of
Speaker 1: things to this one. I just want to read you
Speaker 1: some stuff off the you know, possession and drive chart
Speaker 1: the Jets after they missed that field goal early on
Speaker 1: touchdown touchdown, touchdown punt and then they kneeled out the
Speaker 1: half touchdown touchdown on the third quarter, the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: punt punt, punt field goal in that field goal only
Speaker 1: came after as you mentioned, that lengthy return three and out,
Speaker 1: four plays for thirty two yards, seven plays for I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: four plays for seventeen yards, seven place for nineteen yards,
Speaker 1: six place for twenty three in the field goal. You know,
Speaker 1: I think one of the underrated heroes in this with
Speaker 1: what they did that stood out to me was Tyler
Speaker 1: Lancaster Um. And I know we've been talking about him
Speaker 1: for a while now. There was a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago where Kenny Clark I was talking to him about
Speaker 1: Lancaster and he said that he is farther ahead of
Speaker 1: where Clark was during his rookie season going into the
Speaker 1: month of December, and I thought that was a really
Speaker 1: nice compliment, and I questioned my mind. I was like,
Speaker 1: is that actually true? But then as we've seen him
Speaker 1: play down the stretcher And now, mind you, Tyler Lancaster
Speaker 1: is older now than Kenny Clark was when he was
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old rookie. But they found something
Speaker 1: in him, and they found a guy that isn't just
Speaker 1: going to be a player this year. He looks like
Speaker 1: he could be a featured person in those run packages
Speaker 1: going forward. The Jets did go super conservative there at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourth quarter. They ran the ball
Speaker 1: a lot, but Lancaster dean lowery that front. Even Montrevia's
Speaker 1: Adams did not give up any room there. And then
Speaker 1: you also had guys like Tony Brown making plays on
Speaker 1: the edges. Uh, a cornerback that is not expected to
Speaker 1: tackle for a loss for three yards, stopped him on
Speaker 1: another force them into those punch situations. And yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't get the takeaways that I said they would need.
Speaker 1: Uh And and Sam Donald's passer rating was higher than
Speaker 1: I'm sure they wanted it to be. But when it
Speaker 1: came down to crunch time, they made the big plays
Speaker 1: that they needed to to get the ball back to
Speaker 1: the offense. The Packers can't come back from that deficit
Speaker 1: if they don't get the ball back. Taron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: the defense fulfilled its job in that way. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: even if you take out obviously, one of the touchdowns
Speaker 1: early in the game was the ninety nine yard kickoff
Speaker 1: returned by the Jets. But looking defensively, the Packers allowed
Speaker 1: three touchdown drives within the first three quarters of the
Speaker 1: game of seventy five plus yards. Donald was having his
Speaker 1: way at certain times. The absence of Alec Xander was
Speaker 1: a factor, and for the way the Packers were shutting
Speaker 1: down the run, I thought playing the run really really well.
Speaker 1: One of the things you do miss when you have
Speaker 1: Lancaster in the game. For example, as opposed to a
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark Mike Daniels, you don't get quite as much
Speaker 1: of the pass rush because he's just not a natural
Speaker 1: pass rusher. He really is a prototypical run stopper. But
Speaker 1: those last four possessions that you rattled off sixty total
Speaker 1: yards over four possessions with the game on the line,
Speaker 1: when they had to get a stop every single time,
Speaker 1: and in fact, they kind of stopped him an extra
Speaker 1: time because the fake punt. You know that the Jets
Speaker 1: ran on fourth and inches after after those guys stacked
Speaker 1: up the third down quarterback sneak. Then the Jets lined
Speaker 1: up in punt formation but snapped it to the up
Speaker 1: guy and and converted anyway, so the defense had to
Speaker 1: get another stop. Beyond that, I just I give that
Speaker 1: unit a heck of a lot of credit because when
Speaker 1: you look at you look at the personnel that was
Speaker 1: out there compared to where the Packers were personnel wise
Speaker 1: at the start of the season, and all these guys
Speaker 1: who were not in the game and on injured reserve
Speaker 1: and everything else. Um, that was a that was a
Speaker 1: really commendable down the stretch defensive performance on a day
Speaker 1: when things weren't necessarily going all that wealth for the
Speaker 1: first three quarters, you know, and Mike Petton, this defense
Speaker 1: will probably finish somewhere in the teens, I think in
Speaker 1: terms of total defense, however you want to measure that.
Speaker 1: But again, I just don't think there's any statistics that
Speaker 1: really tell you the true story of how this team
Speaker 1: played this year. For my money, and I love Dom Capers,
Speaker 1: I hope at some point be able to sit down
Speaker 1: and have a cup of coffee with them again someday.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that kind of had gotten
Speaker 1: away from the Packers the last couple of seasons was
Speaker 1: their adversity defense in their explosive plays. Those are two
Speaker 1: areas this specific group has been exemplary in this season.
Speaker 1: It even hit me during when Robby Anderson caught the
Speaker 1: thirty three yard touched on. There was the breakdown I
Speaker 1: think that was after right after Alexander's right after Alexander
Speaker 1: left the game, and then it was a coverage bust
Speaker 1: where two guys went to cover the same guy in
Speaker 1: the flat and then Anderson was kind of running all
Speaker 1: alone down the sideline. The safety didn't have enough time
Speaker 1: to get over there. And it hit me then I
Speaker 1: was like, gosh, we just have not seen a lot
Speaker 1: of those plays this season. The communication, whether that's pett
Speaker 1: and whether that's Blake Martinez, but the way that calls
Speaker 1: have been relayed this year. You haven't seen a lot
Speaker 1: of instances where the Packers are getting caught. For twelve
Speaker 1: men on the field, it's been really impressive. And then
Speaker 1: for them to respond in those moments, Packers could have
Speaker 1: really easily gotten down on themselves going to that fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Could have continued to wilt, could have continued to get
Speaker 1: gutted for yards. They didn't do that. They stopped. They
Speaker 1: got the stops when they needed and Aaron Rodgers was
Speaker 1: as solid as I've seen him be. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: still some plays that they missed. There was a couple
Speaker 1: of receivers that were open they didn't get the ball to.
Speaker 1: But in crunch time, when you need to move the chains,
Speaker 1: he made the right reads. He made the right choices,
Speaker 1: and he also scampered in for that read option, which
Speaker 1: I loved on that two point conversion. They've run that
Speaker 1: on a on the two point play, Uh, you know
Speaker 1: a few times over the last few years, and uh,
Speaker 1: he's gone in untouched for the two points more often
Speaker 1: than not. And if you think about it, how many
Speaker 1: times this year, Mike, have the Packers put that read
Speaker 1: option on film? The quarterback has never carried it out.
Speaker 1: It's always been given into the running back. You haven't
Speaker 1: seen Rogers fulfilled that place. So for him to scamper
Speaker 1: in the end zone, get the score and then to
Speaker 1: come back with the read option again, I just I
Speaker 1: thought this performance again, Joe Philbin said it perfectly. Was
Speaker 1: it the best performance in history of football. No, no,
Speaker 1: but for them to win it in the way that
Speaker 1: they did, I think says a lot about that entire
Speaker 1: locker room. Yeah, and that's what I was going to
Speaker 1: get at, is this Packers locker room. There were discussion
Speaker 1: outside the building all week long. You know, well, why
Speaker 1: is Rogers gonna play? And why don't the Packers just
Speaker 1: shut down? You know, they're high priced players. Why risk
Speaker 1: any injury and stuff like that. You look at how
Speaker 1: this game went was You can't tell these guys that
Speaker 1: any NFL game is meaningless to them. Tremont Williams takes
Speaker 1: a shot to the face on trying to feel the punt,
Speaker 1: goes off, gets checked for a concussion, gets cleared, goes
Speaker 1: back in the game. David bak tr trying to chase
Speaker 1: down Darryl Roberts on the interception on the first two
Speaker 1: point play, which ended up getting called back because of
Speaker 1: a penalty. Anyway, but he's chasing him down the field
Speaker 1: and you know, comes up kind of lame, so to speak,
Speaker 1: not look not looking like he's walking all that. Well,
Speaker 1: something might have happened. He goes and finishes the game
Speaker 1: without complaint, and the Packers win this thing. And and
Speaker 1: when the Packers think they have it won, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: runs it in for a six yard touchdown and overtime
Speaker 1: gets called back on a holding penalty. You've got to
Speaker 1: score from the sixteen yard line, and boom, he throws
Speaker 1: a pinpoint pass to Davante Adams, his eleventh catch of
Speaker 1: the game, and the Packers win it. These guys, I
Speaker 1: know they're not going to the playoffs, but they played this,
Speaker 1: They played this game, and they're playing out the season
Speaker 1: the right way. Yeah. Absolutely. And the thing of a
Speaker 1: box Tr too, he gets injured on a play because
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a three pound offensive tackle trying to
Speaker 1: run down the field because of the pick six. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of heart to pick two. Sorry, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of hearty showing on that play. I think
Speaker 1: David box tr knows in his heart of hearts he's
Speaker 1: not going to be able to catch the cornerback, but
Speaker 1: he wants to fulfill the play. Marcus Velde Scantling Corey
Speaker 1: Lindsley praised him after the game because on that twenty
Speaker 1: three yard run that Rogers got to the one yard line,
Speaker 1: veld Is Scantling fulfilling a blocking assignment down field to
Speaker 1: help spring him for a couple of extra I mean
Speaker 1: held that block for for multiple seconds to turn what
Speaker 1: maybe was a ten yard scramble into a twenty plus yards.
Speaker 1: And nobody's going to remember that play ten years from
Speaker 1: now because it isn't going to show up in a
Speaker 1: box score. It's not going to be a big explosive
Speaker 1: that's gonna get you on ESPN. But it's the things
Speaker 1: that allowed the Packers to win this game. And I
Speaker 1: gotta say a quick word about Truman Williams here. He's
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, Mike. He's played like point one
Speaker 1: percent under the total snap counts here, maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of plays of everything he's done on defense going into
Speaker 1: this game. He's sitting there in his locker room. In
Speaker 1: his locker afterwards, he has stitches above his right eye.
Speaker 1: And he was asked about that hit. He didn't even
Speaker 1: call it a dirty head. He's like, that's football. He
Speaker 1: even kind of put it on himself for not fear
Speaker 1: catching it, saying I've kind of, you know, lived that
Speaker 1: way throughout my career as a returner, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: bites you, and it bit him on that head, you know,
Speaker 1: on the head a little bit. But this is a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't need to be out there either. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could have just called it a game. He passes
Speaker 1: a concussion protocol, he gets back out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that tells you everything you need to know
Speaker 1: about this team and what it means to them to
Speaker 1: play this thing out. I get the frustration at times
Speaker 1: with fans. I understand they want to top ten pick.
Speaker 1: But the realistic thing is, and Joe Philbin said it
Speaker 1: as well and as eloquently as I think you ever
Speaker 1: could on Monday morning, the future is the future. It's
Speaker 1: going to get there. Whether he's the coach, whether these
Speaker 1: players are here, it doesn't matter. There's an number on
Speaker 1: your on your pads, there's a name on the back
Speaker 1: of your jersey. In that name and in that that
Speaker 1: number has been the same, you know, since the beginning
Speaker 1: of time, regardless of who the players, there's a way
Speaker 1: you play, there's a way you finish. The Packers they're
Speaker 1: they're right there right now. They have one more game
Speaker 1: to go. They want to make it count. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: more game to go and one more game to go
Speaker 1: in the regular season in the NFL, there was a
Speaker 1: lot that happened in Week sixteen. I want to get
Speaker 1: to some of those results in our shows later in
Speaker 1: the week because some interesting playoffs scenarios taking place. But
Speaker 1: we're up against it right now. We're going to call
Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers un Scripted.
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