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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites of the Podcast presented by BET

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Speaker 1: three sixty five. We are part of the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. Today I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my Campadre,

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Speaker 1: my BFF, professional Better, Simon Hunter Eero Simon.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Chad, What a weekend we had?

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Speaker 1: Huh, brother, listen, I know you're just rolling out of bed.

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Speaker 1: Were in You were in Atlantic City playing poker in

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Speaker 1: a tournament till all hours. I was in Florida, which

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Speaker 1: I believe is the home state of our guest coming

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Speaker 1: up this weekend, at a wedding in Miami, and then

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Speaker 1: I went to Palm Beach for the day for a

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Speaker 1: project that I'm working on. In the wedding, this was

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Speaker 1: like right out of a commercial. This was a wedding.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people like to gamble at this wedding,

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Speaker 1: very high class affair in Miami, but it's a big

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Speaker 1: gambling crowd, really big gambling crowd. And at the wedding,

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Speaker 1: of course, during the speeches and even when everyone was

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Speaker 1: dancing during dinner, there were four or five different phones

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Speaker 1: in between two different people showing first the Florida Auburn

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Speaker 1: game and then the Duke Houston game, and the number

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Speaker 1: of people sweating that total for the Duke Houston game,

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Speaker 1: so many people had the under one thirty seven and

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Speaker 1: a half I think or over one thirty six and

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Speaker 1: a half. It was landing right on that number. It

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Speaker 1: was super exciting.

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Speaker 3: Now those are the best.

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Speaker 4: There's the best, especially where if you're in on it

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Speaker 4: and you hear loud moans across the crowd, you know

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Speaker 4: everyone's looking at the same thing. It has nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with the wedding. It's everyone just on theirs.

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Speaker 1: And there was this was There were a lot of

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Speaker 1: gambling UH industry people at this wedding, including at my

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Speaker 1: table were people representing I think three different sports books

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Speaker 1: as well as an original investor in action like when

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Speaker 1: it was just not even a company yet, and a

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Speaker 1: guy who runs a uh A venture fund that is

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Speaker 1: focused on the betting space. So everybody had very specific needs.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was really really funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I was preactioning the whole markets crashing,

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Speaker 4: but all sports book stocks were up because Duke lost.

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Speaker 4: So that was a pretty interesting tell of that. Uh,

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Speaker 4: that's how big of a deal it was for duke

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Speaker 1: That's right, and we guess what We enter into another

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Speaker 1: very special week for gamblers, an annual right of spring,

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Speaker 1: a tradition unlike any other. And last night for the finals,

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Speaker 1: we saw Jim Nantz as a fan of Houston getting

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Speaker 1: ready prime in his pipes for the Masters. It is

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Speaker 1: Masters Week, Masters t He's off Thursday morning from Augusta,

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Speaker 1: one of America's most hallowed sporting events, always one of

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Speaker 1: the best, most popular sporting events on the entire spring calendar,

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Speaker 1: joining us to break it all down. He has become

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Speaker 1: one of the most familiar faces in modern sports media.

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Speaker 1: You could say he's like the archetype for modern sports media,

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Speaker 1: with the way he looks at sports, his focus on analytics,

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Speaker 1: his focus on the athletes who come on his very

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Speaker 1: popular podcast, how He's morphed and evolved as a media personality.

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Speaker 1: He's the host of the very popular show This Is Football.

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Speaker 1: You'll see him all over ESPN airwaves, including on First

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Speaker 1: Take later this week. He is also a very passionate

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Speaker 1: golf fan and appearing on ESPN's bet casts for Golf

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Kevin Clark, what an intro?

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Speaker 5: Thank you? Good right, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: it's this is one of my favorite weeks of the year.

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Speaker 5: I like that and Chad, you and I've talked about this.

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Speaker 5: I love the golf gambling space. So the fact that

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Speaker 5: they get to go on this show. I'm going to

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Speaker 5: on ESPN Ben on Wednesday, Like I just everybody needs

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Speaker 5: to hear my bad takes. This needed to escape my

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Speaker 5: golf group chats and now we just need to break

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Speaker 5: of these broadcasts going forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be ugly. There's no doubt about it,

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Speaker 1: because there's no way when you're trying to pick from

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Speaker 1: The odds tell us that it's almost impossible. Like, sure,

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Speaker 1: you can pick Scotti, Scheffler, you can piss pick Rory McElroy.

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Speaker 1: Kevin I just mentioned in the intro you are a

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Speaker 1: master of media, and to me, what's interesting about your

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Speaker 1: career truly is how you have morphed from beat writer

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Speaker 1: I just think he's great. Explain the evolution for you

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Speaker 1: from beat reporter to analytics guy, which is a lot

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So I was covering the Dolphins when I was

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Speaker 5: in college for a paper in Fort Lauderdale. Got hired

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Speaker 5: when I was still in college by a friend of yours,

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Speaker 5: I possibly could. I basically ran out of my diploma

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Speaker 5: I did the Bear. I would basically my pressor's like, listen,

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Speaker 5: started covering the Knicks as a twenty two, twenty three

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Speaker 5: And then Carmelo Anthony obviously made me a change the

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Speaker 5: And I was getting a ton of attention through that, because,

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Speaker 5: It was never some grand plan. It was just this,

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Speaker 1: But it certainly isn't as increased fandom giving people a

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Speaker 1: coach by reading the way he did with Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: Explain to our listeners of the things that you learned

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Speaker 1: from him about quarterbacking.

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Speaker 5: So first of all, you want to tell about analytics, Yeah,

436
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Speaker 5: my guy is deep in the weeds on So I

437
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Speaker 5: didn't know the lore of this as I said it.

438
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Speaker 5: So I'd mentioned that JJ McCarthy over the middle of

439
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Speaker 5: field was one of the mos efficient pastors in football.

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Speaker 5: He knew those stats, but he also knew that JJ

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Speaker 5: McCarthy on the weighty downs, third and eight, third and nine,

442
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Speaker 5: third and ten was one of the most efficient pastors

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Speaker 5: in the history of football. And apparently I was told

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Speaker 5: in my replies that that was like a basically a

445
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Speaker 5: Vikings blogger who wrote a piece about about how good

446
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Speaker 5: he was on weighty downs, and that Kevin O'Connell clearly

447
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Speaker 5: read that and repeated some of those stats. So, like

448
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Speaker 5: you want to tell about a guy who's head of

449
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Speaker 5: the curve, how many coaches are reading their own team's

450
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Speaker 5: analytics bloggers, right, Like that's that's that's different. Okay, that's different.

451
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Speaker 5: And by the way, I think cam Ward beat J. J.

452
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Speaker 5: McCarthy's records on third and lawn, But we won't we

453
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Speaker 5: won't get into that just yet. But what I love

454
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Speaker 5: about Kevin O'Connell is, and I'd heard him talk about

455
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Speaker 5: this before, is that he doesn't I think he views

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Speaker 5: quarterback development very personally. If I don't help Sam Donald,

457
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Speaker 5: that's on me. And I think a lot of coaches,

458
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Speaker 5: I said, twenty five coaches in the thirty two say,

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Speaker 5: and we got this guy's in his fourth year. I'm

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Speaker 5: not really gonna we're gonna mail it in like truly

461
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Speaker 5: we're gonna mail it. We're not gonna give him any reps,

462
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Speaker 5: so I can try to develop him. And Kevin O'Connell

463
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Speaker 5: seize it as his mission to take a Sam Donald

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Speaker 5: even though you're getting J J. Mcrad that goeta started

465
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Speaker 5: last year, but he wanted to develop Sam Donald. And

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Speaker 5: the other thing I think is important is he thinks

467
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Speaker 5: and I think he lives it. Don't overreact at any point.

468
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Speaker 5: I think we do this all the time. Don't overreact

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Speaker 5: to any point to the quarterback. Don't overreact o for OTAs,

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Speaker 5: don't take stock at for training camp. It's all a journey.

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Speaker 5: And the only thing he said, the only thing you

472
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Speaker 5: need to be thinking about is what is this player's

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Speaker 5: ceiling and what is the goal? What is the path

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Speaker 5: towards that ceiling. Everything else is a distraction almost right.

475
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Speaker 5: It's like the old Nick Saban results or a distraction thing.

476
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Speaker 5: And what's funny is I was just talking about this

477
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Speaker 5: with with cam Ward because I'm thinking about someone like

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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson, where we know what a ceiling is. He's

479
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Speaker 5: one of the most athletic quarterbacks of all time, Anthony Richardon,

480
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Speaker 5: and you had to give him a runway of two

481
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Speaker 5: or three years to reach that ceiling. He gets hurt

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Speaker 5: after a month of his rookie season. Everybody's trying to

483
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Speaker 5: say their germen Indianapolis, and all of a sudden he

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Speaker 5: gets Spencer Joe Flacco, who, by the way, was did

485
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Speaker 5: not steady the ship like I think that people thought

486
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Speaker 5: that Joe Flacco, Oh yeah, no, he'll get there days. No, No,

487
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Speaker 5: he was bad. They were bad. And yet Richardson is

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Speaker 5: going to get failed by the entire cults thing because

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Speaker 5: they didn't They drafted a guy who was a project

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Speaker 5: and didn't give the project time to develop into anything.

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Speaker 5: And I said this on my show a couple of

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Speaker 5: weeks ago. Have you guys ever heard the Paul Deepadesta

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Speaker 5: analytics roller coaster analogy that he gave at a conference

494
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Speaker 5: years ago. It's one of the best things I've ever heard.

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Speaker 5: So they said, when you're if you're Paul Deep asked

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Speaker 5: Paul Deep Adesta, what do you want ownership? And he says,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what I want ownership, but I know

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Speaker 5: what I don't want an ownership. It happens all the

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Speaker 5: time in analytics, which is acting like my child at

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Speaker 5: the amusement park where they say I want to get

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Speaker 5: on the roller coaster. When I get on the roller coaster,

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Speaker 5: and then it starts to get really scary, and as

503
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Speaker 5: soon as it gets scary, my daughter goes, I want

504
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Speaker 5: off the roller coaster. Get me off this roller coaster.

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Speaker 5: Stop the ride. And with with analytics, I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of times, to go back to what Deepodesta was saying,

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Speaker 5: a lot of times ownership is like, of course you

508
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Speaker 5: want analytics. Of course you want analytics. And then we go, oh,

509
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Speaker 5: by the way, we're going to trade the star player.

510
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Speaker 5: Oh by the way, we're not gonna have a point

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Speaker 5: guard to start theater.

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Speaker 3: Oh by the way.

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Speaker 5: You know, like all of these things you have to

514
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Speaker 5: do in order to get those results. The ownership goes, well,

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Speaker 5: we can't do that, we can't well well woa wa,

516
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Speaker 5: well we can't do that. And I kind of think

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Speaker 5: the same thing is true of quarterback play. If you're

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Speaker 5: drafting Anthony Richardson what you think's gonna happen, the floor

519
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Speaker 5: is very low. And I think that a lot of times,

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Speaker 5: like did you expect him to be ready in September

521
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Speaker 5: of his rookie year, Well, he would have gone first

522
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Speaker 5: overall if that was the case. And so I think

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Speaker 5: that when I look at someone like Kevin O'Connell, I

524
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Speaker 5: look at a guy who's what the NFL needs for

525
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Speaker 5: their quarterback development problem. He sees it personally. He wants

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Speaker 5: to help these guys. He understands the timelines, he understands

527
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Speaker 5: what JJ McCarthy is gonna need. And frankly, you know,

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Speaker 5: unless you're a Chiefs fan or five other teams, maybe

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Speaker 5: i'd want Kevin O'Connell coaching my team if I was

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Speaker 5: a fan.

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Speaker 1: Simon, I know you want to jump in, I mean,

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Speaker 1: fellow real quickly because that quarterback thing is interesting. And Simon,

533
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Speaker 1: you love Dannathonian Richardson coming out of college. And to me,

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Speaker 1: it makes me wonder why don't people think differently about

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Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks. If nobody believes Shador Sanders would be a

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Speaker 1: top flight prospect in a year where there were other

537
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who were coming out who were better, why all

538
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Speaker 1: of a sudden reach to draft him in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Do people really believe cam Ward is as good a

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Speaker 1: prospect as Caleb Williams, as Jaden Daniels, it's like, Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: that's great. But if not, it seems like if you

542
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Speaker 1: were Obviously the premium is on a quarterback because it's

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Speaker 1: such the most it's the most important position, but that

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Speaker 1: leads to a rational decision making, and that leads to reaching,

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Speaker 1: and people are so afraid of what the optics are

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Speaker 1: going to be they can't make the actual in a

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Speaker 1: vacuum analytics decision.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm the wrong guy because I don't believe

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Speaker 4: in the reaching for a quarterback. It's such a unique

551
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Speaker 4: position in this league that it's like like.

552
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Speaker 3: You're the Browns.

553
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Speaker 4: If you think Sanders is a reach, it's why your

554
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Speaker 4: organization is a bunch of losers and you've never had

555
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Speaker 4: a good quarterback. It's like you're not in that position

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Speaker 4: to say, well that's a reach for when it organization,

557
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Speaker 4: it's it's no you you see right, there's especially old

558
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Speaker 4: school scouts. They're looking for guys to have, you know,

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Speaker 4: they do one or two things really well, like all

560
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Speaker 4: pro level, and they can figure.

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Speaker 3: Out the rest right match it together.

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Speaker 4: Anthony Richards is a great example of that of just

563
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Speaker 4: pure raw talent played what thirteen games, twelve games in college,

564
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Speaker 4: came out of twenty one crazy young. You knew there

565
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Speaker 4: was gonna be a ton of bumps on the road.

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Speaker 4: Their organization is held has been terrible at handling that.

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Speaker 4: But also you hear rumors about him. Is he in

568
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Speaker 4: there all day, working all day?

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Speaker 3: Right? Does he come and early leave late? Some things?

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Speaker 4: You hear he's not that type of guy, which again,

571
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Speaker 4: if you're not that guy in the NFL, you're probably

572
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Speaker 4: not gonna last. Like you just have to work so

573
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Speaker 4: hard at the quarterback position. On the flip side, I

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Speaker 4: guy like Jane Daniels, who played for what five six

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Speaker 4: years in college, came out incredibly polished, incredibly mature. He

576
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Speaker 4: didn't have those speed bumps right. He came out and

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Speaker 4: I feel like after one or two games he adjusted

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Speaker 4: to the NFL. So I'm with you on that chat

579
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Speaker 4: where it's like it is tough with some of these

580
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Speaker 4: teams because they're trying to over evaluate these positions. But

581
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Speaker 4: from my mindset, it's just like you got to keep shooting.

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Speaker 4: Like cam Ward, I love this kid's skill set. He's

583
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Speaker 4: a bunch of little things he does where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this kid can easily be a stud in two or

585
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Speaker 4: three years, or we can have this weird run. We've

586
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Speaker 4: been on chat where c J shroud came out right away,

587
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Speaker 4: legit playoff quarterback changed this whole team's organization the following year,

588
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Speaker 4: Jane Daniels. So we've been on this run now of

589
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Speaker 4: these quarterbacks coming out way more mature that people give

590
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Speaker 4: them credit for, adjusted to the NFL fashion that people

591
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Speaker 4: give them credit for. And again that comes down to

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Speaker 4: the analytics of these teams know exactly the best thing

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Speaker 4: to do with these quarterbacks. The other teams don't. Right,

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Speaker 4: the other teams need a year to adjust. So that's

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Speaker 4: why I'm interested you Jaane Dewel's upcoming season. We saw

596
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Speaker 4: CJ teams adjusted to him last year even though they

597
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Speaker 4: had a ton of injuries. One of the adjustments to

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Speaker 4: Jane Daniels because right now, even breaking down his film chat,

599
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Speaker 4: I don't see it like this kid he's got it all.

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Speaker 4: Like if he can keep that mentality, he's going to

601
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Speaker 4: be our problem next year. So I'm miss here Kevin's

602
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Speaker 4: view on it because it's he's in the same boat

603
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Speaker 4: as me, Like he liked Nanthony Richardson, but we both

604
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Speaker 4: agree like that ownership the coaching staff, it feels like

605
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Speaker 4: they've all failed him at this point.

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Speaker 5: Well with Richardson in particular, what if you taught him

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Speaker 5: to be more of a professional instead of just giving

608
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Speaker 5: up on him? And I thought the marketing of the

609
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Speaker 5: benching was really stupid. You know. It was like, hey,

610
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Speaker 5: Shane stike And is he going to be your quarterback

611
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Speaker 5: in the future? And Steikeen was like, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 5: I guess we'd love that. Yeah, sure, what made anything's possible?

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Speaker 5: You know, Like it was like when they bentioned this year,

614
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Speaker 5: it was like he was never coming back. And you

615
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Speaker 5: think about Bryce Young and obviously the Andy Dalton car

616
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Speaker 5: accident played into this, but like they still believed in

617
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Speaker 5: Bryce Young and they still developed him and they weren't

618
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Speaker 5: going to give up on him. And Bryce Stung arguably

619
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Speaker 5: was worse than Anthony Richon ever was. It was just

620
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Speaker 5: danth Richton tapped on his helmet to give up on

621
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Speaker 5: a player, give up on a drive, which again, you

622
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Speaker 5: teach him and you move on. There's a lot, not

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys who are finished products. You mentioned

624
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Speaker 5: Jaden and Daniels, he played forever in college. I call

625
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Speaker 5: those guys doctor quarterbacks because Bo Nicks and Michael Pennox

626
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Speaker 5: and Jayden Daniels played one hundred years and and through

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Speaker 5: I think a thousand all of them through a thousand

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Speaker 5: more passes than J. J.

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Speaker 3: McCarthy. Like it's it.

630
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Speaker 5: They were playing a different sport, had a different developmental thing.

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Speaker 3: With Ward.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you why. I think he's like a

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Speaker 5: franchise guy. I could tell you a million things. My

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Speaker 5: two concerns. So he tries to make things happen a

635
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Speaker 5: lah Josh Allen, which is a good thing. Coaches like that.

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Speaker 5: You want to say, what's the other thing you want

637
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Speaker 5: to say? You want to rain him in instead of

638
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Speaker 5: you know, kicking him on the butt basically, and he

639
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Speaker 5: will go for it. And my concern is if there's

640
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Speaker 5: really bad turnover, look early or you know, he's so

641
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Speaker 5: comfortable in the pocket's he operates so not casually but

642
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Speaker 5: so slowly, will hang in there, which is a strength

643
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Speaker 5: in college. You do it against Miles Garrett. It's stripsack, right,

644
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: it's a it's a scooping score. So those are my

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Speaker 5: two concerns. My concern is one bad month and all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden, oh, we're gonna go see what will Levisa?

647
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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's that kind of thing. I don't

648
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Speaker 5: think that's gonna happen. I'm just saying that what the

649
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 5: organization needs to say in the front end, I think

650
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 5: they will. I think the Titans are really smart. Whoever

651
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: drafts cam Ward, I'm gonna assume it's gonna be the Titans,

652
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: barring a trade, needs to say. There's going to be

653
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: plays and there were only five of them at Miami

654
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: where he throws across his body because he's trying to

655
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Speaker 5: win the game, and it is a really really ugly series,

656
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: and we got to say, you know what, that's just

657
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: who he is, the same thing that Bill said about

658
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: Josh Allen. That's who he is. We're gonna try to

659
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: tweak a little bit, but we're gonna let him go.

660
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Speaker 5: Oh he fumbled on one play because he was trying

661
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: to do too much. Okay, Fine, he's gonna get to

662
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: January as our starter. And guess what he's gonna get

663
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 5: to next January as our starter. You almost and I've

664
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Speaker 5: thought this before, pat Riley, I guess before that. The

665
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Speaker 5: heat Big three thing came to Eric Spolsterra and said,

666
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Speaker 5: there is nothing you can do to get fired. There

667
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 5: is nothing you can do, and there's gonna be so

668
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: much noise on you know, hey, Lebron is leaking that

669
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Speaker 5: he wants to bring in his own people. Lebron wasn't

670
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Speaker 5: listening to the timeout. Doesn't matter you're the coach, and

671
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: with someone like Ward, where there's gonna be bumps on

672
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 5: the road because of how aggressive he plays. The best

673
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 5: thing to do is say, Cam, there is not a

674
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Speaker 5: thing in the world that will get you benched. And

675
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Speaker 5: it's the exact same thing they should have said to

676
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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson.

677
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Speaker 4: And I love that too, where like Chad's saying it

678
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: is random, right, no one really knows in the draft

679
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: who's gonna be the guy when they're drafting quarterbacks. My

680
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: favorite thing will always be you don't know in mini camps,

681
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: but you know, come July August when everyone's in camp together,

682
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: you can see, like my favorite River Wi always be

683
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: the Alex Smith story. Like they're they're in Kansas City

684
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Speaker 4: and they're just getting there in August, everyone's getting ready

685
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: for the ucoming season and Ean Alex Smith turned to

686
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: his coach and was like, holy shit, this Patrick Mahomes

687
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: kid is the real deal. Like there's certain guys coming

688
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: in the league immediately they're just so talented it jumps

689
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Speaker 4: off the board. And you know, we've had a run

690
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: here of these quarterbacks of you know, just absolute game changers.

691
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: Like it's it's been shocking how much good quarterback play

692
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: we've had come into this league lately. And you just

693
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: mentioned the name that me and Chad love, right, we

694
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: love the Panthers and we love talking about what they're

695
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: gonna do down there, and you know the future of

696
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: Bryce Young and someone that you know, my whole knock

697
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: on him was I just didn't see the ceiling, Like

698
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: when Anthony Richards and I saw the ceiling of a

699
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 4: Josh Allen type, big body, incredible arm, freak athlete Bryce Young.

700
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: I just never saw what the ceiling was. I know,

701
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 4: people were like, well he could be arew Drew Brees type.

702
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: There's only one Drew Brees in my lifetime, Like, there's

703
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: never been another type like that that's small with an

704
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: incredible arm.

705
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: Deadly accuracy. But you saw flashes of that last year

706
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: at the end of the season.

707
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Speaker 4: I saw what people said when they talked about him.

708
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you interviewed Dave Can, what's his coming on

709
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: the season. What's what's the view right now of him?

710
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: You know, this is in my mind a make or

711
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: break season for him.

712
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: You're three. If they don't do well.

713
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: How did they not take a quarterback at his points?

714
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: So I'd love to hear your view after talking on

715
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: their head coach.

716
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: They believe in Bryce obviously going into this year. I

717
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 5: think part of it. I think Bryce works really hard

718
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: and it's coachable, and I think those are the two things.

719
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: Even going into the season. I know some guys down

720
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 5: there in Carolina and they were saying, listen, it's not

721
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: I forget what the phrasing of someone down there in

722
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: Carolina told me, Like, it's not about him becoming the

723
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 5: next Droup Breeze. It's about him becoming the next Baker Mayfield,

724
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 5: you know, like the thirteenth, twelfth best quarterback. I think

725
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: that Alex Smith had a start to his career in

726
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 5: San Francisco that was abysmal. And I've talked to Smith

727
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 5: about this. It took him three years to get over

728
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 5: his first start because they're just how bad it was.

729
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 5: I think that I think if you are that bad

730
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 5: when you come in, it probably means you're not going

731
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 5: to be Mahomes. It probably means you're not going to

732
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: be CJ. Stroud. You can still be the twelfth best

733
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: quarterback in the NFL. You can still be Baker Mayfield.

734
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 5: You can still be that level. And I think that

735
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: that's the most important thing for Carolina now. It was

736
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: raising the floor and giving him those options. And when

737
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: I talked to Canalys, I said, what's the key to

738
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 5: that thing? And he said the key is meeting them

739
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 5: in the middle and saying, if you work hard, I

740
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 5: will reward you with routes that you like, concepts you like.

741
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: If you come to me and say I can throw

742
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 5: this route reliably over the middle, for instance, I will

743
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: build a playbook around that. So long as you give

744
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: me proof of concept that you're going to work your

745
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: butt off, you're gonna get there and you're gonna hit

746
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 5: that route every single time. That's it is that the

747
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: coaches do their jobs, the quarterback does their jobs. They

748
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 5: both have a trust. Trust is the word that he

749
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: used a million times. That's what ended up happening with

750
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Speaker 5: Bryce Young is they said, can you work to a

751
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 5: point where you can do these things well? And he says, yes, Okay, Fine,

752
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 5: we'll build the playbook around that. All of a sudden,

753
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 5: that's how you raised the floor. So to me, again

754
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 5: going back to the Kevin O'Connell thing, that's coaching Gino Smith,

755
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young. Those are the three coach quarterbacks

756
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: that Dave Canalys's coached over the past one five years.

757
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 5: And that's what he's done every single place is raise

758
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 5: the floor with trust and with schemes and saying only

759
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: do what you do well. And I think that's the

760
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 5: one thing. I think in the old football guys, there

761
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: was a lot of hey, this, we're gonna draft this quarterback.

762
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: He's gona run our system and if you can't run

763
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 5: our system, he's out of here. And I think that

764
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 5: what it is now with the way the college is,

765
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: it's like we're gonna So Brian Callahan, as the Titans coach,

766
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 5: was on my show. It was talking about he wasn't

767
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: about Kim Morton, talking about Joe Burrow. Of course he

768
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 5: would never talk about Kim Moore, but he was saying

769
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: that the one thing he tried to do with Burrow

770
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: is make year one in Cincinnati b year three at LSU,

771
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 5: make the concepts so familiar that you're not sitting there

772
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: trying to learn calculus, right, you're saying, oh, I can

773
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 5: do this, and then if the bullets start flying and

774
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 5: the speed of the game isn't what he thought or whatever,

775
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 5: you can go, Okay, you know what we're gonna do, Joe.

776
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: We're gonna run the eight concepts that you ran exactly

777
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 5: at LSU. And I think you can probably read into

778
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: the fact that that Brian Callahan has been revisiting his

779
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow notes. He's been rewatching the zooms he had

780
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: with Joe Burrow because that was during COVID, so we

781
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: had it all recorded, it's all on his computer. So

782
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: I think you probably read into that with what they're

783
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: gonna do with the first overall pick. And I think

784
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 5: you can probably read into the idea that they're going

785
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 5: to take a lot of stuff from cam Ward's offense.

786
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: So that's a lot of RPOs. I mean, that's it's

787
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 5: it's a lot. It's a lot of middle of the

788
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: field stuff. There's probably gonna be a lot of that,

789
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: lot of tight end usage, a lot of that is

790
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 5: probably gonna be in Tennessee year one. And that's that's

791
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 5: what a good coach does.

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00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: That detail right there about him rewatching the zooms thinking

793
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow in his third year at LSU, which

794
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: could be equivalent to cam Warden in his first year

795
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: at Washington State. Like that is a great fucking deal. Cat,

796
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: that is like that detail right there.

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Speaker 5: FU, Who say, Who's to say cam Warden is the

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Speaker 5: first overall pick? I can present the facts as they

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00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,560
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801
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Speaker 5: I don't been on football, and the reason I don't

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Speaker 5: and I know how mad I get it. Xander Schoffley

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Speaker 5: So there's a separation of church and state.

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00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,160
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's funny.

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Speaker 5: And for me, I never want to be the guy

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00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 5: who's who's analyzing a sport. I'm paid to cover like

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00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: that in any way other than fairness and anything other

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00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 5: than like I say, if I had C J. Stroud

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Speaker 5: to win an MVP this year as a future as

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00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 5: beat Simon, I would have interrupted you and said, well.

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858
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Speaker 5: come through that way. Now I'm coming through it only

859
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: to the prism of is CJ. Stro I'm gonna make

860
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 5: a leap that he did make last year like that,

861
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: That's that's the way I want to do it. So

862
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: for me, I love the analytics of golf, Like that's

863
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 5: the one thing. I saw cousin Style at the airport

864
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 5: at the Super Bowl last year and we were talking

865
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 5: about gambling and I said, I'm I'm I love gambling

866
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: on golf and he said what, I guess he's less

867
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 5: into it and he said, sell me on this for

868
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 5: a second. And I said, well, imagine Patrick Mahomes played

869
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: on a different field every single week, and that's some

870
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: weeks it was one hundred yards. Some weeks it was

871
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: seventy yards, but it was it was more with and

872
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 5: you had to figure out every single week whether or

873
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 5: not this is going to help or hurt Mahomes' game,

874
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: And that you would look at my Holmes's you know,

875
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 5: last seven games and look at his ball flight and

876
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: figure that out, and like imagine just the different rabbit

877
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 5: holes you go down, because this is golf is a

878
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: sense of place more than anything, and you get to

879
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 5: understand this stuff. And Augusta is the heightened version of

880
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: all of this because the same stuff every year with

881
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 5: a few changes, I guess the hurricane change some of

882
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 5: the tree layouts or whatever. But it's ball strikers. And

883
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: if you guys gamble on golf, you know, take ball

884
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 5: strikers and figure the rest out later. That's a pretty

885
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: reliable way to get a bunch of top tens the

886
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 5: top twenties to hit. It's course history that matters a lot.

887
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 5: And then there's all these things that are unique to Augusta.

888
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 5: I saw Rick Gamon had an awesome nugget on his

889
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 5: podcast yesterday, I think, where he said that in his research,

890
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 5: the guys who do the best at putting on Augusta,

891
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: it's not till your sixth year, statistically that you tend

892
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 5: to figure it out. You're six through ten playing Augusta

893
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 5: are the years you peak as a putter, because it

894
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 5: takes you that long to figure out the greens at Augusta.

895
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: And so I don't think there's many places like this.

896
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 5: I think that maybe I'm biased because it's it's one

897
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 5: of the only sports that I really do bet on,

898
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: But I think betting the Masters is the best betting

899
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 5: experience you can have. Maybe maybe the NCAA tournament's more

900
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 5: fun or more endorphins or whatever, more more stimulation, Like

901
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: this is unbelievable. And what's funny about it? For me?

902
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: I was mentioned the ball strikers. What's always frustrating about

903
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 5: the Masters because I've been on ball strikers every single

904
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: week and just go, hey, who's Taa Green, Who's a

905
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: prohot guy? What's been on that guy? It's always one

906
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: of my guys who wins this always, but it may

907
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: not be the guy went all in on this week,

908
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 5: Like I owe the year a DECU one, I go

909
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 5: all in on the decku like every other tournament. I

910
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: happened to not go in on a decky that week,

911
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 5: and I think I probably broke even that week or whatever.

912
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: But it's like, for real golf gamblers, this is this

913
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 5: is just heaven and I just love sorting through all

914
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: the info.

915
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: So who are your We're gonna I want to go through, Yeah,

916
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: your high end, your mid tiers, but before we get

917
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: to start with your high like top of the leaderboard,

918
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: top of the odds.

919
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't know what to do with the

920
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 5: live guys. To be completely honest with you, people keep

921
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 5: telling me there are Lord help us. There are people

922
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: saying Sergio Garcia is live here, and I don't know

923
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 5: what the heck. I don't know what what are we doing?

924
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 5: What are we doing on live? I don't know rom

925
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 5: people talking about cam Smith as someone. But for me,

926
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 5: the two guys at the top of my card are

927
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: Roy McRoy obviously plus six hundred to win, minus one

928
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: forty to be a top ten, I'll figure that out,

929
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 5: and then Justin Thomas he's twenty two to one to win.

930
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: For me, the Justin Thomas thing is simple for top

931
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 5: fifteen and Tita Green. So Tita Green strokes gained, which

932
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 5: is basically just how well you hit the ball until

933
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 5: you get to the green that last thirty six rounds.

934
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: He's in the top fifteen birdier better percentage. He's number

935
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 5: one par five. So if you guys know anybody gusta

936
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 5: par five. The whole rule, the rule of thumb, is

937
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: you just let the par fours happen. Let the par

938
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 5: three happened. You get really aggressive on par five's really aggressive. Well,

939
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 5: guess what. Justin Thomas is number one over the past

940
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 5: thirty six rounds in par five strokes gamed, number eight

941
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 5: in eagles around the green twelfth and a three plot avoidance,

942
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 5: which is important. This week he's in the top ten.

943
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 5: So for me, I'm betting Rory because I think he's

944
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: an amazing ball striker and I just think, frankly, I

945
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: know this is not great gambling termology. I think he's due.

946
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 5: I think he's better. You know, A couple of the

947
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 5: golf analysts were saying he's getting better at course management.

948
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 5: He's hitting softer shots. He's he's always gone full send

949
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 5: and he's always hitted as hard as he could. Like

950
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 5: like when we're out on it, like I do this

951
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 5: all every year, I'm like, you know what, this is

952
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: the year. I'm just gonna start grooving nine irons. I'm

953
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna club up and just just manage the course.

954
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: And then I get out there and I'm like, what

955
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 5: if I hit my driver to seventy?

956
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: What what?

957
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna That's all I care about. And then

958
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 5: you end up shooting eighty nine and Tod eighty because

959
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 5: of it, right and Rory, it sounds like the past

960
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: couple of weeks couple months has gotten a little better

961
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 5: actually following that advice and having the softer shots. But

962
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 5: to me, it's it's it's Thomas and it's Rory. At

963
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 5: this point, guys, I don't have really any top top

964
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: live guys on my card. I'm kind of gonna miss

965
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 5: it with Ram and Kopka because I've got the data,

966
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: I've got the strokes gained data, and there's evidence that

967
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 5: suggests I'm wrong here. I just think playing on live

968
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 5: is just a different deal. And I don't know, and

969
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 5: we've seen obviously Bryson win last year. It's just hard

970
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: for me to quantify that and say I'm going to

971
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: go all in all these guys in the in the

972
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 5: way that's necessary to win at the Masters.

973
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: And I wonder, like with someone like Rory, you're not

974
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: worried that he's broken mentally, just because it's been what

975
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean something that I loved Rory because you know

976
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: he's from Northern Ireland. You know, I know he's not

977
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: the biggest fan being British, but that's why I heard

978
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: about him because I'm a fan of being British, of

979
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: British golfers, and now the fact that I'm trying to

980
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 4: think is it? Is it? Twenty thirteen, twenty twenty fifteen

981
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: was the last time he won out. We've seen him evolve.

982
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 4: His whole life has changed so much since since then.

983
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: You're right, like feels like he's been playing his best golf.

984
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: Do you have confidence in him though on that Sunday

985
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: if he has that lead, I gotta be honest.

986
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 5: After Pinehurst that's another question. But to me, the biggest

987
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 5: problem with the Master is Simon was always Thursday. It

988
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 5: was always, oh he shot a seventy nine, What the

989
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 5: hell just happened? And then he ekes his way back in.

990
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 5: I think he gets too juiced up for this. That's

991
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 5: why I was so encouraged to hear the reports of

992
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 5: him managing the course well whatever. Like you know, Bill

993
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 5: Walsh had a quote I go back to all the time,

994
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 5: which is, there's no such thing as clutch, there's just

995
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 5: executing normally. When everybody starts to lose their head, right,

996
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 5: And there's another quote from Jimmy Johnson in seth Wickersham's

997
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 5: Belichick book about twenty four out of the thirty teams

998
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: are going to get out of your way, and any

999
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 5: given season, just don't be one of those teams. The

1000
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 5: problem with the Masters guys is Rory loses his head

1001
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 5: and is one of the teams that gets out of

1002
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: the way. And they kept gut and look at Rory

1003
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 5: and go, don't I fear about this guy. He's all

1004
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 5: juiced up, you know, like that kind of thing. At

1005
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 5: some point he's gonna learn and he's adjusted so many things.

1006
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you know this in following him. He's played before,

1007
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 5: he's skipped before, he's given more rest, he's given more

1008
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: more warm up rounds, He's tried so many different things.

1009
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 5: At some point you just have to believe that he's

1010
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: a good enough player to break through. At some point,

1011
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 5: you just have to believe it. And if you look

1012
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 5: at some of the form stuff, Rick Gamon has some stuff.

1013
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 5: Data golf has some stuff. He's one of the hottest

1014
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: players in the world relative to his baseline, which is important.

1015
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 5: We saw we saw, even though it was JJ Spawd,

1016
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 5: who by the way, is on some of my cards

1017
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 5: this week, we saw him take care of business in

1018
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 5: the playoff at the players. I just feel like, at

1019
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 5: some point it's gonna be his week. I'm gonna regret

1020
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: having no I've how many times it like bay Hill,

1021
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 5: have you not bet Rory? And he goes, what the

1022
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 5: hell is this? He's like juiced up and he's high

1023
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 5: five and everybody, and you're like, all right, hope, Hendrik

1024
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 5: Stenson hangs. Meanwhile, you lose all your money. Right, It

1025
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: feels to me like a Rory week where you're I

1026
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: always with football teams in particular, I always say like,

1027
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 5: what's the reverse engineer? What in ten years am I

1028
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 5: going to go? Of course, this team won the Super Bowl?

1029
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 5: Look at the roster, Look at the defensive tackles, look

1030
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 5: at this guy on this contract, like the Eagles this year.

1031
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 5: You're looking at the roster and you're going in twenty

1032
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 5: thirty five, we're gonna look back and be like, of

1033
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 5: course the team won this suit. What the hell are

1034
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: we thinking? Thinking the Rams are going to beat them

1035
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 5: or their commanders are going to beat them with golf.

1036
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 5: I do the same, and I'm thinking, at some point

1037
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to look back in the twenty twenty five

1038
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 5: Masters and I think I'm gonna be surprised whe or

1039
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: we didn't win, and I always want to bet to

1040
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 5: those guys.

1041
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny, Simon, you mentioned that. So

1042
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: when I was in Palm Beach this weekend, I'm working

1043
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: on a new book and part of the book is

1044
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: about the guy who invented the point spread and his

1045
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: grandson lives in Palm Beach, and his grandson was a

1046
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: professional golfer and is now a professional golf instructor, and

1047
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: so he was basically groomed to be a professional better.

1048
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: Ultimately he did not become a professional better, but a

1049
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of the lessons his grandfather, who you know, was

1050
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: a master students in math at the University of Chicago

1051
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: and Kevin, he's basically the original quant like he was

1052
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: making models in the nineteen thirties using legal pads to

1053
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: do all the chicken scratch math before there were algorithms

1054
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: he could use on a computer, but all he did.

1055
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: The guy was with in Palm Beach this weekend was

1056
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: talk about the mental elements of golf. You know, he

1057
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: loves golf obviously so much. And the way he was

1058
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: talking about how everything is that you know, three square

1059
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: inches of real estate in your head talking about the

1060
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: difference between his level of success and the level of

1061
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: success of people who are at the level that Rory

1062
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: is at. I feel like Rory can handle it. I

1063
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: think actually the breakdown probably helped get him into the

1064
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: right frame to be able to overcome that the next

1065
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: time it happens.

1066
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 5: I completely agree with you. I think that resilience can

1067
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 5: be learned. I think that, I mean, the mental part

1068
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: of it is what it is. I view so many

1069
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 5: of these guys, and I said so million times before,

1070
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 5: but I view it like AFC quarterbacks where I she

1071
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: said it to Brandon be in the other day and

1072
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 5: they're reverse. But if you look at Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,

1073
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, they should win the super Bowl

1074
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 5: every year every year. They should win the Super Bowl

1075
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 5: every year, and they don't because of a little tiny thing.

1076
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: Hey we don't this wide receiver two got hurt, this

1077
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: left tackle got hurt, the defense was good enough. Whatever.

1078
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 5: There are fifteen guys who strike the ball to win

1079
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 5: every single week on tour. John Ram should win every

1080
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: single major and not to be like the Giannis Lebron thing.

1081
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: John Ram would would win. You know, fifty majors if

1082
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 5: he was born in nineteen fifty, right, That's just kind

1083
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 5: of the way it goes. And so for me, the

1084
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: mental part of it is the entire thing. And I

1085
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 5: think Rory Simon might be getting better at that. I

1086
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 5: know those are famous last words. I know we probably

1087
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 5: if you listen back to whatever your guest was on

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00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 5: April eighth last year, was probably saying the same thing.

1089
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 5: But like, at some point he's too good not to

1090
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 5: break through.

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00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any mid tier long shots that you're looking.

1092
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 5: At, well, So Shane Lowry staying on the staying on

1093
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 5: the Rory thing, just always going to ball strike in

1094
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 5: the way that is just incredibly impressive. And let's say

1095
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 5: seventh and t to Green, eighth and three putt avoidants,

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00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 5: top thirty and par five's top ten in eagles, twenty

1097
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 5: second around the greens. So Lowry's always going to be

1098
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 5: in my card. And then if I had to give

1099
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: a longer shot in this mid tier, I'm gonna go Sepstraca,

1100
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 5: who I actually heard Patmeo just shouted him out and

1101
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: is on the Straka train. Uh, top five and tea

1102
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 5: to Green, Birdie or Betty Better top three par five

1103
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 5: top two, like Straca is the kind of guy that

1104
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: is probably if I had to guess he might be

1105
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 5: built for this, he might. He might be built for this.

1106
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 5: And obviously I don't think he has a ton he

1107
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 5: was he was sixteenth in the Masters last year. Looking

1108
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 5: at it now, like I would not be surprised for

1109
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 5: the Sebstraca top five and I'm gonna bet that change.

1110
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: Lowry thirty five to one, Straca sixty to one. Yeah,

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00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: last question for you, if you had to give us,

1112
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I know you don't bet on football. If you had

1113
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: to give us a Masters champion, super Bowl champion, hard leg.

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00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 5: Good, Yes, give it to all right, Uh jeez. I'm

1115
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 5: pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Justin Thomas is gonna win.

1116
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 5: I know we spend the time on Rory, but I'm

1117
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 5: pretty sure Justin Thomas is gonna win. Okay, that's my

1118
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 5: that's my number one.

1119
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: Pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.

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00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you can take that to the bank.

1121
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Thomas and the Ravens.

1122
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: Every year we got a believer, Chad Ravens believer.

1123
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

1124
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: I know, right, every year so much better.

1125
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 5: As the season went along. Last year, I know what

1126
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 5: happened in the playoffs, but like they have a new DC.

1127
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: I think I believe in Lamar in a way that

1128
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 5: maybe live people don't. I'm going JT and the Baltimore

1129
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 5: Ravens every year.

1130
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: The Ravens are an auto future. Bet Simon, I'm pretty

1131
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: sure the first time Kevin said Justin Thomas at twenty

1132
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: two to one, I saw you put your head down

1133
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: and I feel like you were betting.

1134
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: Yep, Justin Thomas, as you know me well, Jeff, you

1135
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 3: know me well.

1136
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: I do want to say so our listeners, if you're

1137
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: like not feeling it right the Northeast is cold right now.

1138
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: It's a little shitt out chat. I know you're going

1139
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 4: through the same thing. If you're not in the master's mode.

1140
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: Throw on Tiger twenty nineteen on YouTube. It's like a

1141
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: forty minute cut up somewhere an hour long. It will

1142
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 4: literally put you right back into the master's mood. I

1143
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 4: watched it two days ago. I'm gonna literally watch it

1144
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: again as we get off this call, because it is.

1145
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 3: It's the best. So we just talked about the mental

1146
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: side of the game.

1147
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: I missed the Tiger Red so much, but it just

1148
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 4: it puts you in the right headset of the Masters,

1149
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 4: the elegance, the weather. I think this weekend's gonna be

1150
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: perfect in the seventies. Maybe a little rain on Friday,

1151
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 4: but it's the best. The Masters really is the best.

1152
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: Cough tournament.

1153
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Have you been, chat, I've never been, And it's funny.

1154
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: The wedding I was at this weekend, a lot of

1155
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: people were going from Miami. They were sticking around and

1156
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: then just going to Augusta all life. It's I know,

1157
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: it's one of the two events I've never been to

1158
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: that I'm dying to go to Masters in Wimbledon, and

1159
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: it just kills me that I've never been.

1160
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: I'll tell a three second story. I don't care about Wimble.

1161
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 5: I care about the Master's deeply, and I just this

1162
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 5: time of year it's hard for me to go. But

1163
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 5: when I was with the Ringer the last my last

1164
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: contract the Ringer, I had said, Hey, can I do

1165
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 5: the golf Majors And they said sure, that sounds good,

1166
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: And so I was going to apply to a Master's thing,

1167
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 5: and then my mom was getting honored by our college

1168
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 5: that Friday, and I couldn't miss the mom thing. And

1169
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 5: my mom doesn't understand golf at all, and so I

1170
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 5: didn't apply. And then I was explaining to my mom.

1171
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 5: I was like, Hey, I'm gonna go to your event

1172
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna go to the Master's. She says,

1173
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 5: why don't you just call the Masters. She's a sports fan,

1174
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: but she didn't get the master. She goes, just call

1175
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 5: the Masters and tell them you can be there Sunday,

1176
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: and I go, that sounds like a lifetime ban. Mom.

1177
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 5: That sounds like, I don't think you know who we're

1178
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 5: dealing with exactly. Hey, guys, I'm sorry, I have a thing.

1179
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 5: Can I just leave my ticket like Sunday morning, I'll

1180
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 5: be there. I'll be there, I'll see you guys. And

1181
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm gonna go ahead and not call

1182
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 5: the Masters and tell them I'll be their Sunday. Mom.

1183
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: Moms are the best, you know they It's like, I

1184
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: just love just a lot of optimism. I was talking

1185
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: to my mom last night about I was just catching

1186
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: up with her. I hadn't spoken to her in the

1187
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: week and I had just gotten I just landed back

1188
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, and she's like, oh, how did it, how

1189
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: was the wedding, How is your you know, your day

1190
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: with your guy and all that kind of stuff. I'm like,

1191
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: it's great. Then she says to me, hey, listen, in

1192
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: my book club there's a woman, her brother in law.

1193
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: He worked at ESPN for a long time. You think

1194
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: you know him. I'm like, what's his name? She goes,

1195
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure of his name. It sounds like Kimmel,

1196
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: but it's not. I'm like, well, is it Jimmy Kimmel.

1197
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: She goes, no, it's not Jimmy Kimmel. But then she's

1198
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: explaining it to me and I'm like, well, how old

1199
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: is the guy? She goes, He's about my age, so he's,

1200
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, seventy seven. I'm like, mom, I'm not going

1201
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: to know the guy, like he's I'm old and he's

1202
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years older than me. And I don't even

1203
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: know what he was there, what he did where he worked,

1204
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: and you don't know his name. But then she keeps

1205
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: trying to explain it, and finally I said to her, ma,

1206
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're still talking about this. I'm

1207
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: not going to know the guy, and she goes, I

1208
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: get it, okay, I'm sorry, honey. Unfortunately that is right

1209
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: when my eighteen year old walked into the room, and

1210
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: then he laughed and walked out. And when I walked

1211
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: into the living room where he was sitting with my wife,

1212
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: they were both talking about how much I couldn't stand

1213
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: talking to my mom. And it's like the exact opposite

1214
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: behavior what I'm trying to model for my kids. So

1215
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: when we are old, our kids don't roll their eyes

1216
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: every time we call them and not want to talk

1217
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: to us. And all I did was walk into it

1218
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: because my mom trying to be lovely and trying to

1219
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: be kind and just trying to say, oh my god,

1220
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: isn't it cool you worked at ESPN and this guy

1221
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: worked at ESPN and you might know him, and this

1222
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: woman's in my book club. Instead acted like a dick,

1223
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: and now I feel bad.

1224
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 5: Wow, now you have to have lunch with this guy,

1225
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 5: this seventy seven year old.

1226
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: I gotta find nice. It's my last work to find

1227
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: this guy. Kevin Clark. This is Football. That detail about

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,760
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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,080
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