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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, it's week four. It's Between the Horns, presented

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Speaker 1: by your Southern California. Tell you the dealers.

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Speaker 2: I'm JB.

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Speaker 1: Long in studio with Maurice Jones, Drew and DeMarco far

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Speaker 1: I guess that means it's Thursday, Thursday, if you say so?

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Speaker 2: Are we sure? Yes, it's Thursday?

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Speaker 3: Think it was? Fly is flying by?

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Speaker 2: How are we on sleep? What? What's that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was gonna say, we just landed last.

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Speaker 2: Night, three thirty. Wake up, let's do it again. And

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Speaker 2: it's an L week. I hate L weeks. I hate

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Speaker 2: short weeks, and I hate L weeks combined. It's it's

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Speaker 2: almost a week lost week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, terrible short memory week like it.

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Speaker 1: I told him there's a lot of reasons why I

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Speaker 1: know I could never do what you guys did. Be

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Speaker 1: professional athletes play this game at the highest level, in

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Speaker 1: part because the Bengals have already beaten me twice. You're

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Speaker 1: not supposed to let a team beat you twice. I

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Speaker 1: think they still got me here. I am on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'm not over it.

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Speaker 3: Ye listen, it's it's uh.

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Speaker 4: You know what's funny when you actually when you're playing

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Speaker 4: you turned the page quickly. Every time win and loss,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna turn it just because you're like, I got it.

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Speaker 4: There's a new challenge, it's a new person I'm going against.

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Speaker 4: For me, you know, it would be like I'm going

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Speaker 4: against Darius Leonard this week. Whatever Logan Wilson did to

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Speaker 4: me last week, I gotta I have a different animal

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Speaker 4: that I got to go against that I got to

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Speaker 4: make sure.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't get the best of me.

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Speaker 4: But now, as a person in the media, I've lost,

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Speaker 4: like I've lost a couple times already this year.

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Speaker 1: Is it fine to be salty?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 1: Like speaking to our audience, I kind of like that

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Speaker 1: player wise or media wise. Yeah, I think players, I

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Speaker 1: think this building is.

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Speaker 2: Players moved on in the locker room. I mean right

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Speaker 2: after the game, you gotta move on. But yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can still be salty because the more you watch it,

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Speaker 2: the more frustrating you're gonna get. There were opportunities to

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Speaker 2: win that game, multiple opportunities to win that game, and

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Speaker 2: it just didn't happen. And we kept saying this, Keep

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Speaker 2: playing with Joe Burrow at home, keep letting him hang around.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna find a way to beat you. And sure enough,

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Speaker 2: here we are sitting on an O week.

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Speaker 3: JB.

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Speaker 4: I think you said it best, was like it just

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Speaker 4: felt like they couldn't go oh and three, Like every

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Speaker 4: the ball bounced for them not to go oh and

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Speaker 4: three every time right, It was like a step play

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Speaker 4: here or this there. But what I loved about what

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Speaker 4: McVeigh said is it's a learning it's a learning week.

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Speaker 4: We got to figure out our way to get Like

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Speaker 4: when you have a team where you can put them down,

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Speaker 4: you gotta it's the little things that you have to

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Speaker 4: do to get them down. It's not always the big

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Speaker 4: play and maybe like a right step here, making sure

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Speaker 4: we're in the right protection, or we're looking the ball

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Speaker 4: and as we're catching and it's not you know, bouncing

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Speaker 4: off our hands. All those little things are gonna kind

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Speaker 4: of become that big thing that you want at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day. But listening to McVeigh this week,

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Speaker 4: I love the learning right. A loss is a chance

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Speaker 4: to learn. You can win, you can learn and wins too,

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Speaker 4: But a loss is your sense of urgency starts to

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Speaker 4: pick up because you know understand that one of those

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Speaker 4: opportunities you had, you just let it slip away.

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Speaker 1: It does depend how you redeem it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you do learn from this, if it does bear

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Speaker 1: fruit down the road, so be it. I think we

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Speaker 1: can all live with that. I think the tough part

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Speaker 1: to see right now is it feels like we might

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Speaker 1: be looking back on this loss from Monday night in

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Speaker 1: December or January and realizing how costly it was.

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Speaker 2: You mean for playoff seeding or something like that. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean those with the implications long term, short term

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Speaker 2: is going to hurt. This just became a fish story.

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Speaker 2: This is one that got away from you, and this

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Speaker 2: one you could have won. So and it's coming off

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Speaker 2: one that you fought hard against Sam frand that you

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Speaker 2: might have won if you had done some things differently. So,

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Speaker 2: but you have to turn the page move to Indy.

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Speaker 2: Like we said, you can't let one loss, or one

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Speaker 2: team or Cincinnati as it makes it right now, you

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Speaker 2: can't let them beat you twice.

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Speaker 1: The part that I do like about it the disappointment,

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Speaker 1: is that you can feel I can feel from our audience,

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Speaker 1: from our fan base, their expectation level bounce back in

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Speaker 1: just those first two weeks, because I mean, there's still

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Speaker 1: an opportunity there to go two and two without one

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Speaker 1: of your best players, Cooper Cup coming home and face

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Speaker 1: the Eagles in week five, and I think most of

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Speaker 1: us fair minded would have signed up for that coming

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Speaker 1: out of training camp when you know that he's got

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Speaker 1: the hamstring injury, no question against the toughest start to

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Speaker 1: any NFL schedule. So here we are upset about the

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Speaker 1: fact that you went on the road and missed a

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Speaker 1: golden opportunity to take out a team that's been the

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Speaker 1: last two AFC Championship games.

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Speaker 4: I think the last two games has been like that, really,

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Speaker 4: I mean, because it's the same mistakes. Right, if you

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Speaker 4: look at San Fran, you put san Fran in an

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Speaker 4: uncomfortable position. You made them blitch you, right, you made

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Speaker 4: them blitch you in order to get pressure, which is

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Speaker 4: what you want. I think in Cincinnati you had the

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Speaker 4: same opportunities. That first drive, you go down and you

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Speaker 4: get points, not three, you get seven. It looks completely different,

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Speaker 4: And I think the lesson learned is that it's what

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Speaker 4: go down and score and then it kind of all

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Speaker 4: comes crumbling down. Same thing happened in Cincinnati. After that

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Speaker 3: How can we adjust to make that happen? Because it's

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Speaker 3: the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Things are gonna happen, right, They're gonna make They have

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Speaker 4: guys that get paid a lot of money. Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 4: the richest court, the second richest quarterback. Is he gonna

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Speaker 4: make plays. He's gonna do some things right.

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Speaker 3: The Niners have top ten highest paid players all over

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Speaker 4: They're gonna make plays. So you have to understand that.

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Speaker 4: How do we kind of take that shot from those

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Speaker 3: Be but to get back on track and make him

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Speaker 3: go to learn.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to go Denny Green, then you

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Speaker 2: can go Denny Green, for you are who they thought

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Speaker 2: they were. And then you know, bang the podium and

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Speaker 2: just move on. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Before we move on, I think let's just address maybe

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Speaker 1: the most common criticism or concern head on, which is

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Speaker 1: still a talking point this week, which is why not

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Speaker 1: just run the ball.

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Speaker 2: And we're preaching to the.

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Speaker 1: Choir over here. We got our just run the ball expert.

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Speaker 3: In that house.

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Speaker 2: Well he should know. I mean, this is the thing

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Speaker 2: I mean running the ball is not just running the ball,

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Speaker 2: and what it does to a defense, it keeps you

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Speaker 2: on balance. It keeps you off balance. I guess that's

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Speaker 2: a better way to say it, because you have to

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Speaker 2: honor the run. If I don't have to honor the

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Speaker 2: run as a defensive lineman, defensive end, guess what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm flying off the football coming after your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But if you just run it a little bit, to

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Speaker 2: keep me honest, you take some smoke off the passers.

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Speaker 2: You've seen this before, you know what it does.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you myler offensive court. Yeah right, because

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Speaker 1: I think what he says here is reminiscent of what

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay said into his headset during the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: which is like, I'm not running it anymore, Like this

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Speaker 1: is pointless. We're not getting anything out of this. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do what makes sense for our offense. Here's Michaelafler

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Speaker 1: midweek at the podium to the media to why the

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Speaker 5: What we're always going to want to do is still

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Speaker 5: to help our pass protection outll still continue to get

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Speaker 5: a run game, going out to bandon the run in

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Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, and that's something you always want to do.

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Speaker 5: The think about what Lou does in Cincinnati is that

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Speaker 5: they don't allow you at times. I mean, you'd be

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Speaker 5: you want to stay balanced, but if they're telling you

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Speaker 5: you're not running the ball here, you're not running the

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Speaker 5: ball here based on the pump block type pressures that

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Speaker 5: they're bringing in those situations. And so there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of runs called that unfortunately had to get checked

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Speaker 5: out of it into some passes and some of the

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Speaker 5: You know, So again you always want to stay balanced,

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Speaker 5: but you're also not going to just go beat your

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Speaker 3: I understand what Michael for saying.

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Speaker 4: And I've been in part of offenses where it's like

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Speaker 4: we want to run into an advantageous look. I get that,

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Speaker 4: but running the football isn't just you're just running the

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Speaker 4: up play action down the road, detecting your offensive lineman right,

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Speaker 4: You're putting them in a situation where they can go

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Speaker 4: forward and not have to always go back. You're allowing

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Speaker 4: your quarterback to take a playoff, right. We talk about

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Speaker 4: this a lot in the national media about Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: why down late in the year. He struggles because he

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Speaker 4: has to run the football, he has to throw the football.

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Speaker 4: He's always has to be on. When you run the football,

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Speaker 4: allows your quarterback to just take a deep breath and

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Speaker 4: be like, I can have the ball off, go do

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Speaker 4: your thing, right, I can reset for a play. And

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Speaker 4: it's important running the football, no matter if it's an

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Speaker 4: advantageous look or if they're blitzing or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 4: Running the football it allows your offense to have a mindset,

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Speaker 4: a mindset of saying, we don't care what you're in,

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Speaker 4: We're going to come forward and run at you. And

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Speaker 4: then two, it allows your offensive lineman to kind of

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Speaker 1: Balance doesn't have to be just running it though, No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. Balance can be using all corners of your

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Speaker 1: play sheet. Yeah, if you want now routes, if you

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Speaker 1: want quick slants.

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Speaker 3: That's a great part of your running game.

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Speaker 1: Turned around to hit it the conference, Yes, they.

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Speaker 2: Were there, some of those you know, little out routes

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Speaker 2: to Kyron. They just weren't connecting. Either Stafford was high

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Speaker 2: or Kyron would drop it. So you had opportunities but

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Speaker 2: to make them pay. But I also just missed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I also think running the football though, like running the

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Speaker 4: football regardless of what the count is, it becomes a mindset, right,

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Speaker 4: and that mindset is, we don't care what you're in.

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Speaker 4: We're going to go and do our job right. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna go and go off the ball. We're going to

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Speaker 4: protect our offensive line. As soon as a Lark Jackson

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Speaker 4: went out, we should have ran the football couple times.

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Speaker 2: Put them and chase most Yes, and exactly if you did,

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Speaker 4: Right if you get to twenty, If you get the

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Speaker 2: It's game.

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Speaker 3: They can't cause they can't come back, right.

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Speaker 4: But what happens is the game the ball started bouncing

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Speaker 4: It's like and then you're playing in this one score game.

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Speaker 1: I think that screen game being disjointed, The disconnect on

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. His misses that were high Kyen

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Speaker 2: You got to have them.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm right there with But I also say

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Speaker 4: natural instinct of getting blindsided. If you ever see a

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Speaker 4: now he's not hitting his gaps the right way. So

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Speaker 4: that's the part of football that I think this game

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Speaker 2: There was some I haven't seen a guy win that

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Speaker 1: A quick moment for me to play apologist. And none

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Speaker 1: Evan McPherson's field goal from forty eight kisses off the right, upright,

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Speaker 1: those will even out.

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Speaker 3: The universe always always balances itself out.

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Speaker 4: No it doesn't, Yes it does. You know, the football

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Speaker 1: That's how you just can't beg for those breaks.

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Speaker 3: You know they'll they'll come. You just got to keep working.

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Speaker 4: They'll start to All of a sudden, the snapper is

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Speaker 2: He's gonna run for a touchdown. You're a football and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna and that is and that is the football. Guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you. That's that is just how it works.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get it. Look, with takeaways and turnovers, it

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Speaker 2: I thought the pick, the one takeaway in that game

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Speaker 1: That play comes at a great time too, because he's

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Speaker 1: And those are the types of plays that you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Lock him down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get to the Colts in more detail in just

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Speaker 2: Once again.

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Speaker 1: We finished in the booth in Cincinnati by contrasting Monday

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Speaker 1: So Anthony Richardson still has to officially clear the concussion protocol,

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Speaker 3: He can't. He can't see that well well enough at this.

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Speaker 4: so everything is. They're running Philadelphia's offense, So it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be triple option all the time with a guy who's

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Speaker 4: actually a threat, more of a threat than Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be a tough task. And the other

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Speaker 4: thing is this their offensive line playing so much better.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, they're playing so much better now because

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Speaker 4: it's not just Matt Ryan turned around and hand the

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Speaker 4: ball off to Jonathan Taylor. There's so many different avenues.

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Speaker 4: You have to have your eyes where they're supposed to be,

446
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Speaker 4: and if you do, you'll you'll you'll find success. If

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Speaker 4: you don't, it's gonna be a tough it's a long day.

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Speaker 2: They have a guy named Fries on their offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that perfect Fries? Yeah, big time. But if I

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Speaker 2: was Rahie Morrison calling this game first and ten, I

451
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Speaker 2: would I have to put Aaron Donald on the right side,

452
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Speaker 2: right over Quinton Nelson, because anybody else is gonna get moved.

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Speaker 2: He's just he's he's an absolute dump truck in there.

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Speaker 2: So first and ten, I need somebody to combat that

455
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Speaker 2: now obvious passing downs. Let him go pick on somebody

456
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Speaker 2: else room, But first and ten, they'd like to run

457
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Speaker 2: that way, I'm putting my strongest guy right on Quentin

458
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Speaker 2: Nelson and say stalemate. Have fun with it.

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Speaker 1: Rookie quarterbacks one in seven against the Rams starting in

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Donald era, so he wreaks havoc on opposing

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Speaker 1: first timers. The one win to a tongue of I

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Speaker 1: Loo in Miami. He had very little to do with

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Speaker 1: that victory. So really the Ram should be perfect, yes

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Speaker 1: against starting rooky quarterbacks with Aaron across the line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I would also like the Rams

466
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Speaker 4: to play they what they did against Cincinnatis. They started

467
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Speaker 4: getting guys' faces. They weren't playing off he started to

468
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Speaker 4: see that pass rush get there. I would like to

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Speaker 4: see them do that same thing this week as well.

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Speaker 4: Have him hold it a tick longer and make sure

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Speaker 4: you have a guy spying on him. But that'll allow

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Speaker 4: Aaron Donald and company to get there and get after

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Speaker 4: the quarterback as well.

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Speaker 1: Now, despite having already started backups at quarterback, running back,

475
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Speaker 1: and center, Indy is alone in first place in that

476
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Speaker 1: AFC South two and one. Last time they had sole

477
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Speaker 1: possession of that division was Week eight, twenty nineteen. And

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is is how Gus Bradley is

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Speaker 1: handling this defense. They have been a problem second in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and sacks and force fumbles a strip sack

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Speaker 1: in three consecutive games to start their year. But the

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Speaker 1: way they're doing it, ma Reice, is not what I

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Speaker 1: think of when I think of a Gus Bradley defense.

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Speaker 1: They blitz twenty one times in Week three against Lamar

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Speaker 1: and Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the thing with Lamar and Baltimore, he struggled.

487
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Speaker 4: Lamar struggled a little bit with understanding kind of the

488
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Speaker 4: protections of different things. Just because it's a new system.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to figure out different stuff. It's not as

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Speaker 4: much quarterback run as it used to be with Greg

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Speaker 4: Roman Todd Munkins coming here with a more pro style offense.

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Speaker 4: But this is the thing and I Gus was my

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Speaker 4: coach and he believes in it. If we can't get

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Speaker 4: to the quarterback and with four we will send everybody,

495
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Speaker 4: We're gonna affect it. He's all about affecting and protecting

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Speaker 4: the quarterback. So defensively they're gonna try to find ways

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Speaker 4: to get there. And they have linemen that can rush.

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Speaker 4: You have Buckner, who's been a thorn on our side.

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Speaker 4: They can go at Samson, Abucom who's done it here

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Speaker 4: then went to Niners, did it like they have guys

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Speaker 4: that can go quit he pay. There's a bunch of

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Speaker 4: guys that can make those plays. But if you're not

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Speaker 4: getting there in enough time, or if we don't think

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Speaker 4: we can hold up on the back end, he will

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Speaker 4: let it go, and which opens up windows for you

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Speaker 4: as a quarterback. I don't know if they're gonna blitz

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Speaker 4: Stafford that way, because a team when you start to blitz,

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Speaker 4: and as soon as they pick up the blitz, there

509
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Speaker 4: becomes windows. I mean there's holes everywhere, So I'm interested

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Speaker 4: to see how he'll play the Rams more than he'll

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Speaker 4: play Lamar.

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Speaker 3: Right when Lamar, you're.

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Speaker 4: Blitzing to keep him in the pocket, make sure that

514
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Speaker 4: like he doesn't take off and run, you're trying to

515
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Speaker 4: close all the little rush lanes that he has. But

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be interested to see what they do against

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Speaker 4: the Rams this week, just because Stafford's not a threat

518
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Speaker 4: running the ball like Trevor Lawrence was in Week one

519
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Speaker 4: or like Lamar was in Week three.

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Speaker 2: So it's hard to watch anybody playing Lamar on defense

521
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Speaker 2: because you're gonna have to change stuff because of how

522
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Speaker 2: dynamic he is. But some of that stuff will carry

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Speaker 2: over to you know, this Sunday versus the Rams. Look,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna call as much pressure as they need to

525
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Speaker 2: get home. Like you said, if theer's eating or if

526
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Speaker 2: Samson ablecom is having a great game and he looks good,

527
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Speaker 2: if they're getting after you with four, then who wouldn't

528
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Speaker 2: want to drop seven and make Matthew Stafford find a

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Speaker 2: hole before he gets hit. But if not, expect the world,

530
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Speaker 2: because that's what Cincinnati gave you, and some of that

531
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Speaker 2: stuff got home. So there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 2: carryover from Monday night to Sunday. If they can't get pressure.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're supposed to do that right, Well, you're supposed

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Speaker 4: to make sure the faucet is still Is it still leaky? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we still leak the leaky protection we're gonna send it.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna see the nickel blitzer, and you're gonna see

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Speaker 4: different things. Safety's coming. You're gonna see that zero blitz

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Speaker 4: that gave the Rams trouble. Right, everybody on the line,

539
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Speaker 4: and we're sending everyone. You're gonna see all those things

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Speaker 4: because they're gonna test to see if the Rams on

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Speaker 4: our short.

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Speaker 3: Week, have you fixed it? Have you fixed those problems?

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Speaker 3: Because if you haven't, it's coming.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that called a heat check in basketball?

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Speaker 3: See, if you're hot shooting from half court, it might

546
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Speaker 3: go in. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mac A connecting on field goals from midfield, a fifty

548
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Speaker 1: three yard game winner to seal it in in overtime

549
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Speaker 1: against Baltimore set an NFL record for four in a

550
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Speaker 1: game from fifty plus goods see him thriving after signing

551
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Speaker 1: the richest free agent kicker contract in NFL history. So

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Speaker 1: it's not just Samson, it's our friend, Jake Funk and maca.

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Speaker 2: Is it is it good to see that? Though I

554
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Speaker 2: will always love you, except this week.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying it's like it's one of those things like

556
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Speaker 4: I love you, but you're doing it for somebody else.

557
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Speaker 3: Now that doesn't make me.

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Speaker 1: Feel good and got it in justin Tucker's house.

559
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Speaker 3: Rather, I'd rather you be at home.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for the blame, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: For allowing him out of their building to come help

562
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Speaker 1: the Rams, no question. And Brett Maher has been excellent

563
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Speaker 1: for the Rams too, So we'll see if one of

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Speaker 1: them decides the game. Aside from not letting Matt Gay

565
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Speaker 1: beat you at the buzzer, who's got a key to

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Speaker 1: victory for me.

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Speaker 2: To close this out? Man? You want to go first?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead?

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Speaker 2: Well look, look it comes back to running the football.

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's not a a a systematic thing. It

571
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Speaker 2: might be who's running the football type thing. We'll see,

572
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Speaker 2: But I think you have to keep defenses more honest

573
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Speaker 2: than what you did on Monday night. You have to.

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Speaker 2: If not, they're going to pin their ears back. And

575
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Speaker 2: this whole thing is centered around one guy keeping him

576
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Speaker 2: up keeping Matthew Stafford upright and healthy. If not, then

577
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Speaker 2: you know all bets are off. So whatever happened on

578
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Speaker 2: Monday night could not happen again on Sunday night. So

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Speaker 2: I guess all summing up the best way running the

580
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Speaker 2: football takes a lot of pressure off your quarterback, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's the way you need to go.

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Speaker 1: So if it takes losing a battle, so be it.

583
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Speaker 1: Don't lose the war of this season.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

585
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Speaker 4: You know, the last time we went to Indy it

586
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Speaker 4: was it was a Marquee matchup, and I think it's

587
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Speaker 4: gonna be Marquee again.

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Speaker 1: What Carson wins?

589
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: It was Aaron Donald vers Quentin Nelson. I think that's

591
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Speaker 4: gonna be that to me, is going to be that

592
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Speaker 4: that's going to determine whether or not the Rams win

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Speaker 4: or lose. Can you put your best player on their

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Speaker 4: best player and who wins?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: If Nelson starts to get pushed and they can run

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Speaker 4: the football, We're.

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Speaker 3: Going to have a problem.

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Speaker 2: Did you push on?

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Speaker 3: That's what I said?

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Speaker 4: I said, Or can Aaron Donald dominate him like he

602
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Speaker 4: did the last time? And if you dominate him now,

603
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you make them one. Do you

604
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Speaker 4: make them play left handed cause they want to run football.

605
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Speaker 4: Now they got to drop back and throw. Puts us

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Speaker 4: us in the position to do what we want to

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Speaker 4: do and get out to the quarterback. It's like, like

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Speaker 4: we said it before, It's like Marquez versus Pakio is

609
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Speaker 4: round two.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's figure this thing out.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at matching game plans. I'm looking at Shane Steichen,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator teaming with Jim Bob Koter against

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Speaker 1: Roheie Morris, who was a finalist.

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Speaker 3: For that job.

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Speaker 1: Remember late January, early February thought Rams might be looking

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Speaker 1: for a new defensive coordinator. Ultimately they picked the offensive mind.

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Speaker 1: Most NFL franchises, most owners are these days, especially when

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Speaker 1: they're planning to draft a rookie quarterback like they ended

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Speaker 1: up doing Nless.

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Speaker 3: You're Chicago, I get I see you.

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Speaker 1: They might just be playing the long game. They might

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Speaker 1: be doing it back to back. Wow, But like you're

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Speaker 1: Rahee Morris, go show them what they're missing. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: this would be a great game to go win again

625
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Speaker 1: on defense, pitch a shutout against a rookie quarterback and

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Speaker 1: make them rethink the choice that they made. Early in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, right leave, no doubt, absolutely glad he's a Ram,

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Speaker 2: very much so me too. That's why I'm like Matt Gay.

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Speaker 2: He's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we'll leave it there, We'll fly to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay and the Rams have been excellent as a

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Speaker 1: West Coast team in the early window in the East Coast.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope they can continue. That's week four coming your way,

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Speaker 1: Rams and colts, thanks for being with us for between

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