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Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome in.

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Speaker 4: Joe Varden has covered the NBA lebron for a long time,

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Speaker 4: has seen Cooper Flag up close and personal last night. Joe,

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Speaker 4: let's hear about it. How good was Cooper Flag last night?

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Speaker 4: I don't care that he was five for twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I thought he looked great.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say he's stunk five to twenty one.

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Speaker 5: You know, these these summer league debuts can be so fun.

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Speaker 5: And you think about the year when Zion debuted out

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Speaker 5: here and there was an earthquake they stopped the game,

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Speaker 5: And then you think about the hype with when Victor

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Speaker 5: and he his first game and the action wasn't very good.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking about those things last night watching Cooper,

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Speaker 5: and I also thought immediately to this idea that Jason

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Speaker 5: Kidd wants to put the ball in his hands and

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Speaker 5: that had been broadcast and so on the first possession,

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Speaker 5: Cooper's got the ball over the timeline and he's immediately

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Speaker 5: seeing a double team. I remember seeing Cooper here last

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Speaker 5: year against the Team USA Stars, and he was awesome,

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Speaker 5: And so I feel like that was a little bit

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Speaker 5: more indicative of the player that he's going to be

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Speaker 5: than what we saw last night. Like there's so much

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Speaker 5: going on with the summer league games and who your

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Speaker 5: teammates are, and obviously they just wanted to get the

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Speaker 5: ball to Cooper last night and get out of the way,

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Speaker 5: especially in the first half. So you know, I thought

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Speaker 5: he was kind of all over the place. You know,

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Speaker 5: I bet he'll be much better the next time he plays,

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Speaker 5: and then he probably won't play much after that. But

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Speaker 5: you know, you just have to remember that whatever goes

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Speaker 5: on out here, there's a lot more that goes into

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Speaker 5: what makes these players, you know, have the kinds of

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Speaker 5: expectations that he has. And I am as I am

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Speaker 5: as excited as you are about what we're going to

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Speaker 5: see long term from Cooper.

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Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, so on some of those drives to the basket,

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Speaker 4: the whole defense is collapsing on him, like good luck

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Speaker 4: trying mat with Klay Thompson on the perimeter and PJ Washington,

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Speaker 4: you know there's no chance that teams will defend him

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Speaker 4: like that in the league.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he starts in some kind of hybrid

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Speaker 4: point guard role or do they bring him off the

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Speaker 4: bench just like a sixth man just to ease in

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Speaker 4: the eighteen year old.

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Speaker 5: No, I would be surprised if he doesn't start. I

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Speaker 5: am concerned about this point guard thing, and like you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm a journalist. I covered politics for six years. I'm

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Speaker 5: not a Hall of Fame point guard like Jason kidd is,

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Speaker 5: so I will defer to him. But just having like

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Speaker 5: things that I've seen, a rookie who is certainly versatile

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Speaker 5: but is not used to playing that position all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden, being under the pressure cooker of the NBA

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Speaker 5: where teams are designing defenses to try to stop you,

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Speaker 5: I think that's a lot of pressure for him. And

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Speaker 5: you know, you're exactly right, like Dallas does have options

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Speaker 5: on the floor, like Clay is out there, Ad is

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Speaker 5: soon enough, he'll be back. You know that they have players,

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Speaker 5: but there's still something about being able to run an

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Speaker 5: I just I question this, Like, I'm so excited for

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Speaker 5: Cooper because he's a number one pick and he wound

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Speaker 5: up on a team that does not stink. You know,

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Speaker 5: they've already built around him, and so that is that

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Speaker 5: puts him at such an advantage. To ask him to

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Speaker 3: And I totally agree.

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Speaker 4: All right, Joe, let's quickly pivot to Lebron and there's

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Speaker 4: Ben's you know, you know Lebron well covered the calves

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Speaker 4: for many years. We know when he gets passive aggressive

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Speaker 4: him the difference that they used to and now it's

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Speaker 4: all catering to Luca and so Lebron's kind of gone

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Speaker 4: radio silent. I don't know, is there something here or nothing?

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Speaker 4: Is this normal Lebron?

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Speaker 3: Is he really ticked? Do you see? You know, I

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Speaker 4: Draw this parallel, like the Warriors have done nothing in

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Speaker 4: free agency, and it's like, all right, is the Warriors

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud.

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Speaker 5: Here, is it? Is it possible? Because I was, you know,

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Speaker 5: which was so good. But is there is there a

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Speaker 5: way for literally everything you've just said to be true?

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Speaker 3: Like can it?

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Speaker 5: Can it be true that Lebron is feeling a little

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Speaker 5: bit frosty because you know this, this transition to the

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Speaker 5: that transition occurs, whoever is in Lebron's position? You know,

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Speaker 5: it feels a little personal, It feels a little raw.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible? But at that at the same time,

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Speaker 5: the Lakers are probably his best option to try and win.

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Speaker 5: They were third in the West last year with just

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Speaker 5: Lebron and Luca and no no discernible big And now

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Speaker 5: they have DeAndre Ayton, you know, they Rivia and and

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Speaker 5: then a roster that was already pretty good. Is it

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Speaker 5: possible that when you're the Lakers and you're talking about

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Speaker 5: Luka Doncic, and yes, he's twenty six years old, and

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Speaker 5: you hope he's on your team for teen years, but

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Speaker 5: you don't really have time to punt on the year.

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Speaker 5: So you have in Lebron a second team All NBA

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Speaker 5: superstar who's still averaging about twenty five eight to eight.

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Speaker 5: How do you get rid of him and still compete?

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Speaker 5: Like this idea that the Lakers don't want to compete

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Speaker 5: this year is asinine, and the suggestion like that suggestion

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Speaker 5: coming from Lebron's camp is as silly as when it

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Speaker 5: comes from anybody else. Like they could trade him, they

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Speaker 5: absolutely cannot buy him out right now? That would be

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Speaker 5: that would like I can't even wrap my mind around that,

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Speaker 5: because they're going to try to compete and they're going

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Speaker 5: to try to win. If they were to try and

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Speaker 5: trade him, there's only a couple of teams that could

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Speaker 5: realistically come up with fifty two million dollars in assets

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Speaker 5: without ripping up their entire team. So then you have

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Speaker 5: to ask yourself, you brought up the Warriors, would you

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Speaker 5: rather have Lebron under contract for this year with Luca

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. So, you know, like I think

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Speaker 5: all of these things are true. I would also add,

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Speaker 5: because you one of the things you said was is like,

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Speaker 5: is this like normal Lebron? The answer is definitely yes.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've been I've been playing this game. Uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, like when I'm when I'm on shows like

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Speaker 5: I will I will ask the host to guests who

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Speaker 5: a contender. And everybody guess, and you know, somebody will

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Speaker 5: say Sean, somebody will say Brian, somebody will say somebody

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Speaker 5: one of my colleagues at the athletic And the answer

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Speaker 5: is me from twenty fifteen. This happens all the time,

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Speaker 5: and they almost say this exactly. It's the only difference

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Speaker 5: is is Lebron had to pick up his option? Why

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Speaker 5: because he was going to be paid fifty two million dollars,

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Speaker 5: and if he had declined it, there was one team

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Speaker 5: one the Brooklyn Nets, who are not ready to contend

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Speaker 5: that Lebron would have no business going there at this age.

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Speaker 5: They're the only team that even had that kind of

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Speaker 5: so financially, he had to do this. But he wants

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Speaker 5: to still feel relevant. He wants the team to go

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Speaker 5: that they aren't. I just don't. I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 5: I think they they they traded for Luka Doncic like

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Speaker 5: he is one of the top five players, top three

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Speaker 5: players probably in the NBA. Like the Lakers are trying

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Speaker 5: to win and having Lebron on the team probably gives

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Speaker 3: Totally agree. What a take that was powerful, Joe Varden.

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Speaker 4: The athletic knows Lebron, well knows the Cavs, knows, the league,

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Speaker 4: the Lakers. Hopefully you internalize that, Joe, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy the rest of the summer league, and now I

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Speaker 4: have a great summer man, great.

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Speaker 6: To see it.

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Speaker 5: Have me Allen anytime?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: Joe Varden. Listen, that was really smart stuff. And I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you guys have seen this movie King

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Speaker 3: He had a line in that movie and I had

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Speaker 4: They're trying to attribute it to like Ben Franklin or something.

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Speaker 4: But if you don't have a plan, plan to fail,

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Speaker 4: and if you just let that sink in, it's actually

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Speaker 4: pretty damn good. And I just wonder if the Lakers

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Speaker 4: got Luca and they started to formulate a plan and

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Speaker 4: that plan is something that, look, the Lebron's just not

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Speaker 4: part of going forward.

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Speaker 3: We need like a multi year plan. Look at how

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Speaker 3: Okac's bill. They're ready to weather anything for like the.

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Speaker 4: Next two years, and they have a billion draft picks

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Speaker 3: Their bill really well.

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Speaker 4: Some of these other teams, the Sun's the worst, they're

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Speaker 4: not in as great as shape. So I think the

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Speaker 4: Lakers have a plan, it just doesn't include Lebron. All Right,

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Speaker 2: No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 7: Let's start in the NBA and we've talked about this

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Speaker 7: a bit. The Warriors have yet to make a big

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Speaker 7: of Steph Draymond and Jimmy Butler are still there.

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Speaker 3: They're all over thirty five years old. Now.

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Speaker 7: Despite the older age, Vince Carter isn't concerned but believes

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Speaker 8: A lot of knowledge. Yeah, they have an advantage because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see.

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Speaker 8: Something I need you for later this I want to

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Speaker 2: To handle it.

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Speaker 7: And you can't forget like they were a dynasty not

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Speaker 7: But it's not the same it's not the same championship corps.

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Speaker 7: And it's always tough at the end of a dynasty

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Speaker 7: how great you could be if everyone was still there

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Speaker 7: and still in the prime. But I mean, Vegas doesn't

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Speaker 3: We talked about it earlier.

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Speaker 7: Their odds to win the NBA title are tied for

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Speaker 3: They're just an old team.

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Speaker 7: They're just an older team.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at their stats from last year.

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Speaker 4: Their leading scorer was Curry, Yeah, he's thirty six. Their

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Speaker 4: there is Kuminga, He's going to be gone. He's one

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Speaker 4: Kevon Looney's gone. He's on the older side. Buddy heals

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I guess there's probably a way Lebron is hoping that

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Speaker 7: To you think you're putting that out there.

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Speaker 3: They're in the universe. They they've been friends dating back

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Speaker 7: So there's respect. There's mad respect between the people. I

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Speaker 7: don't know where are they going to do it? But Lebron,

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Speaker 3: Taking on the Jimmy Butler contract? They're not, no, so

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Speaker 4: If you could reroute Butler to Milwaukee and get Yannis

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Speaker 7: His contract though. Does Butler have a no trade to

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Speaker 7: Milwaukee would want to a lot like that's something that

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Speaker 3: It was just kind of weird the no trade clause.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: The Bradley Beal thing is really it's tough.

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Speaker 7: Interesting, Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I am that

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Speaker 7: they're gonna have to. They need to make a little

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Speaker 7: more younger at moves to the Warriors if they.

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Speaker 3: Want to move up with their odds.

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Speaker 7: But let's move to the NFL, where Aiden Hutchinson is

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Speaker 7: fully cleared to return from a broken leg that ended

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Speaker 10: I'm exactly where I need to be, and every year

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Speaker 10: I've been able to improve on my own physical attributes

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Lions need him to be the best that

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Speaker 3: Which like that's a really big deal.

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Speaker 7: That's a lot a lot of new and changes on

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Speaker 4: I certainly get back to top five, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 7: Reports indicate that Brandon and Ayuk will likely start the

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Speaker 2: It's just.

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Speaker 4: I think Arizona's a plucky team. Jacksonville we don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now without Ayuk, this would be their wide receiver grouping

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Speaker 4: Bounced back last year, and then their third wide receivers

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Speaker 3: They should be good. I think three they have.

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Speaker 7: A lot of weapons, but not as many as they

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Speaker 3: You're high on them. I think they'll do well.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna be They should do better

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Speaker 7: But I'm not as on the three Niners as you are.

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Speaker 3: All right, Alex with the news, Well that's.

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Speaker 2: The news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Our next guest is a really good one, Chris Felika

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Speaker 4: the Bear.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna drop by it to tell us why. I

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Speaker 3: hope I'm reading this right.

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Speaker 4: The Chiefs are going to continue to dominate the AFC West.

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Speaker 3: What we'll talk to Felika next.

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Speaker 3: coming up, Chris the Bear FeliCa. You know him well,

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Speaker 3: Big noon.

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Speaker 4: Kickoff the Bear Bets Podcast with Jeff Schwartz.

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Speaker 3: Felika. How are we doing, my man? How's everything going?

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Speaker 2: Where we're doing?

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Speaker 3: Just by the way, how was the tournament going for you?

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Speaker 9: It was great up until yesterday when, like an idiot,

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well is it? Hey? You jump in

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 3: You know they made me tease this old Chiefs win

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Speaker 3: the AFC West. I'm out on the Chiefs. This year.

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Speaker 9: I bet the minus one twenty to win the West.

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Speaker 9: And if you're kind of correlating some things, I think

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Speaker 9: issues that they had, all the offensive line and receivers.

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Speaker 9: So I think things are setting up for a very

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Speaker 9: big year from him and that Kansas City offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I understand it. I'm just leaning into my

443
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Speaker 4: chiefs hating role. Let's go to the commanders. That's okay, Commanders, listen.

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Speaker 4: They were phenomenal last year. A lot of people are

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Speaker 4: comparing them to Houston, who had a shocking rookie year

446
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Speaker 4: with CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 4: Then they pull back a little bit. But I thought

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Speaker 4: Washington had a good offseason. I like Deebo, I like Tunsel.

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Speaker 4: They retain their coaches. I'm assuming mclaurin's going to get sorted.

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Speaker 4: But you don't seem as bullish on Washington.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I were.

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Speaker 9: Anytime you see a team that pulls out a bunch

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Speaker 9: of miracle wins the way they get against the Bears,

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Speaker 9: the way they did against the Eagles, the way they

456
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Speaker 9: did against the Falcons, I worry about those things kind

457
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Speaker 9: of going against them the following year. Look, they are

458
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Speaker 9: going to be a very trendy team, a very popular

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Speaker 9: team to not only win the NFC East, but to

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Speaker 9: win the NFC and get to the super Bowl. After

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Speaker 9: what we saw them do in the playoffs last year

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Speaker 9: in Detroit. They had three other wins besides those games

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Speaker 9: that I mentioned. Besides five points or fewer, you'll lose

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Speaker 9: Dante Faller and Jeremy Chin on that defense. I think

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Speaker 9: that's a big deal. You look at the schedule road

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Speaker 9: games Green Bay Chargers, Kansas City, Detroit and Denver come

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Speaker 9: to DC. Those are ten games against some really really

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Speaker 9: good teams. So I don't know, could they get to

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Speaker 9: ten maybe, but under nine and a half seems like

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Speaker 9: a good wager to be. I know a lot of

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Speaker 9: people who I respect kind of reviewing things the same

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Speaker 9: way and I know it's funny because when you set

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Speaker 9: these win total season win totals for teams, the odds

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Speaker 9: bakers know it, and they see the schedule too, so

475
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Speaker 9: all this is kind of baked in. But just seeing

476
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Speaker 9: how the Commanders came from kind of nowhere last year,

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Speaker 9: expecting them to win ten games again this year, with

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Speaker 9: the fortune that they had last year, and by the way,

479
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Speaker 9: Jayden and Daniels being relatively healthy for the entire year,

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Speaker 9: I think it's kind of kind of always I'm looking

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Speaker 9: for very optimistic. Yeah, think they are going to get

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Speaker 9: the same kind of portrait they are this year.

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Speaker 4: They do open Giants at Packers versus the Raiders at Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: so that's a manageable start.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it gets it gets much tougher than that, but right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a good point. I like that.

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Speaker 4: Now, your Coach of the Year pick is interesting because

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Speaker 4: I'm actually bullish on.

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Speaker 3: This team as a sleeper in the NFC.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you look at Jonathan Gannon at twenty to

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Speaker 9: one to win the Coach of the Year award, and

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Speaker 9: that's a division with the Rams, everyone in there, the

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Speaker 9: Seahawks and the Niners. It might be a division that's

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Speaker 9: kind of in flux, in a little bit of transition.

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Speaker 9: I don't think there is a real Claire favor. We

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Speaker 9: think Kyler Murray is going to run a little bit

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Speaker 9: more this year. That would certainly help in the way

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Speaker 9: the schedule shakes out for Arizona. You just mentioned the

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Speaker 9: Washington schedule. Arizona has quite the same thing, a very

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Speaker 9: favorable schedule early in early in the year. They could

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Speaker 9: be looking at like a five and two type start.

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Speaker 9: Marvin Harrison back obviously for his second year. He added

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Speaker 9: some big pieces on that defense with Walter Nolan and

504
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Speaker 9: Will Johnson. Like this could be a very surprise team

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Speaker 9: this year. They made the playoffs a few years ago.

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Speaker 9: And the one thing that I like about Arizona is

507
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Speaker 9: there wasn't really much expected from them the last couple

508
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Speaker 9: of years, and they played hard every single week for Gannon.

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Speaker 9: So they clearly in the locker room like him and

510
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Speaker 9: want to play hard for him. And at twenty to one, basically,

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Speaker 9: if you think Arizona has a chance to win that

512
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Speaker 9: division and or make the playoffs, you're gonna get a

513
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Speaker 9: much better bang for your buck on betting on Gannon

514
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Speaker 9: to win Coach of the year than you are on

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Speaker 9: the Cardinals to win the division.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Cardinals' first five opponents, Okay, these are the

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks they have, Tyler Shook, rookie Bryce Young maybe on

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Speaker 4: his last legs, Brock Perdy, that's a loss. Probably, Then

519
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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold and his new Seattle home and cam Ward

520
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Speaker 4: of Tennessee. And then you go to the six game

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Speaker 4: and it's against the Colts. We don't even know who

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Speaker 4: their starter is going to be. Back with the Anthony

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Speaker 4: Richardsonson things. Great point, way to look ahead on Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Now let's go to college football real quick.

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Speaker 8: Bear.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the Dion Sanders stuff this week about

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Speaker 4: how he was like a salary cap.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a big college guy. I am just.

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Speaker 4: Curious where do you stand on that? With Dion thinking

530
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Speaker 4: we need a salary cap? It almost feels like Texas

531
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Speaker 4: Tech is loading up so much and he sees them,

532
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Speaker 4: He's like, we can't compete with them, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And.

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Speaker 9: Isn't this what everybody wanted in college football or open market?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Pay the players, make him employees money, goal ower, everybody

537
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Speaker 9: gets paid. And he say, which which way do you want?

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, you know, I think it's a good thing,

539
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Speaker 4: but at the same time, it's going to be difficult.

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Speaker 3: To pull off now some of these picks that you have.

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Speaker 4: Oregon, obviously they have one of the biggest NIL budgets.

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Speaker 4: You'd like to over on Oregon, even after losing Dylan Gabriel,

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 9: I think there's an assumption that there's going to be

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Speaker 9: a massive step down from Dylan Gabriel to Dante Morritt quarterback,

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Speaker 9: and I don't necessarily see it. I know they lose

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Speaker 9: Evan Stewart potentially with an off season the injury, but

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Speaker 9: I think people are kind of just judging Dante more

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Speaker 9: on one season as a true freshman on a bad

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Speaker 9: UCLA team. This guy was one of the highest thought

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Speaker 9: of quarterback fruits in the country a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 9: It's back now in an offense that should really kind

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Speaker 9: of use his strengths and make him a very viable

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Speaker 9: college quarterback. And the way I'm looking at over ten

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Speaker 9: and a half with Oregon is I don't know why

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Speaker 9: we're just going to assume that they're going to go

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Speaker 9: to Penn State and lose in September.

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Speaker 3: I mean, pe Penn.

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Speaker 9: State is a program that for everything that they've done

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Speaker 9: under James Franklin, these games against big game opponents are

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Speaker 9: games that they don't seem to win. So I think

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Speaker 9: there's a ton of pressure on Penn State in that

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Speaker 9: game to win. And even if Oregon does go there

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Speaker 9: and lose, you look at the remainder of the schedule.

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Speaker 9: You got a road trip to Iowa, you host sc

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Speaker 9: There really are on a lot of roadblocks on that

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Speaker 9: schedule for Oregon from maybe losing at Penn State, running

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Speaker 9: the two finishing the year eleven and one.

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Speaker 3: All right, well we got a minute left. Let's rich.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe this.

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Speaker 4: Carson Beck Heisman odds thirty seven to one.

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Speaker 3: You'd like that. I thought everybody was out round Beck. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 9: I think people are out on Beck because they saw

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Speaker 9: the injury at the end of the year. They saw

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Speaker 9: last year all those young Georgia wide receivers dropping balls

577
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Speaker 9: offensive line. That was injury, and he didn't People forget

578
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Speaker 9: how good he was in twenty twenty three, and now

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Speaker 9: a lot of people, I think are putting that on

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Speaker 9: the presence of Rock Bauer is Aladd mccauckey, But I

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Speaker 9: think with Elijah and often. He's got a weapon at

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Speaker 9: Miami that can be very similar to that. Jojo Trader

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Speaker 9: is a young wide receiver that Miami likes. The offensive

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Speaker 9: line should be one of the top three to five

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Speaker 9: in the country. They've got a deep running back room

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Speaker 9: that can help. And oh, by the way, he's gonna

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Speaker 9: be playing a bunch of acc defenses, not a bunch

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Speaker 9: of defenses anymore. That they got a game opening season

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Speaker 9: game against Notre Dame where if Miami were to win that,

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Speaker 9: and I think it's a basically right right around a

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Speaker 9: pickup type of game, two two and a half points

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Speaker 9: of bread, maybe pay are going to come down dramatically.

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Speaker 9: And you're not only going to see Beck's price when

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Speaker 9: the Heisman dramadically come down, but Miami's priced, uh to

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Speaker 9: reach the college football playoff come down. So Beck is

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Speaker 9: someone that I think people are really sleeping on this year.

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Speaker 9: You see a lot of you see a lot of

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Speaker 9: these like top ten lists for quarterback and people are

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Speaker 9: forgetting about Beck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, now you you should admit you are a

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Speaker 4: Miami guy right a deep time.

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Speaker 9: Anyone who knows me and Miami knows and I am

603
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Speaker 9: tough on them in the past, and I called their

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Speaker 9: defense out last year. I'm typically not Rose col glasses

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Speaker 9: with my teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So how many Ferraris does Beck have now?

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Speaker 10: Is he?

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Speaker 3: Is it two or three? Or I lost?

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Speaker 9: Not just I think these guys maybe a couple of

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Speaker 9: Ferraris in a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Well, that nil life is nice. Sorry, Chris the Bear Felika,

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Speaker 4: great stuff, Chris. We'll talk to you in August, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, people have a get weekend.

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Speaker 3: Chris Filica like Carson Beck. I like that. That's not bad.

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Speaker 3: Thirty seven What I've forgotten about him? Anyways? What a show?

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Speaker 3: I mean? We got Alex Curry.

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Speaker 4: We're giving her books for the potent for the newborn

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Speaker 4: that's arriving soon.

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Speaker 3: Collins back on Monday.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to all our guests, Joe Varden, Marlin Humphrey was phenomenal,

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Speaker 4: Mark Medina see y'all later