WEBVTT - Rahm Emanuel Talks US foreign policy

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get into domestic policy and foreign policy, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask you about this speech that the President's

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<v Speaker 2>going to deliver tonight. Reportedly it's going to center on

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty at election interference. One of your many jobs

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<v Speaker 2>was in the White House as chief of staff. You

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<v Speaker 2>had to think through putting together speeches like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wonder how you're thinking about this speech that

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<v Speaker 2>the President's going to give tonight against centric on what

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<v Speaker 2>happened now six years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my view is I'd like to give him an

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<v Speaker 3>extra thirty minutes because anything that's retrospective that's not prospective

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<v Speaker 3>for the America where they are today, where their children

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<v Speaker 3>are could be tomorrow, is going to get basically put

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<v Speaker 3>on mute. And in fact, I think so I think

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<v Speaker 3>the president's making a massive strategic mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>It will come.

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<v Speaker 3>Across interpret it as self serving for him. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying exactly what Republican strategists are saying to him, but

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<v Speaker 3>the White House doesn't want to because this is mental

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<v Speaker 3>health for the president. That's exactly what's going on. So

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<v Speaker 3>my view, don't limit yourself to fifteen minutes. Much time

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<v Speaker 3>as you want, mister President, spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 3>on twenty twenty, not twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about the political terrain midterms, general

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<v Speaker 2>election after that, but before we get there, I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>of how worried you are about this issue of election integrity,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing what the president has been doing, what his advisors

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<v Speaker 2>have been saying publicly, how worried are you about.

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<v Speaker 3>The integraty the time of the right left one is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very focused on I think for Democrats winning, what

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<v Speaker 3>does it take to win? There is a part less

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<v Speaker 3>on the periphery, but on the other side that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Let's assume the Democrats win seven seats net get a

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<v Speaker 3>majority every election, David, you have three or four seats

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<v Speaker 3>that are two hundred and three hundred less than one percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Some states have automatic recounts, others don't. The speakers showed

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<v Speaker 3>that when it came to the Arizona race he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>seat the member, and I worry a little. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>growing that you're the January sixth that we on the

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<v Speaker 3>steps of the capital will be driven inside the Capitol

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<v Speaker 3>because this constitution is very clear the speaker has the

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<v Speaker 3>right to call it organizes the House, so you got

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<v Speaker 3>a seat. Members do have a new election, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think they're going to basically until those elections are decided

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<v Speaker 3>to say no, and they're gonna say there's no majority,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no clarity, and they're going to postpone.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually beginning anew.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about a pair of speeches you've given recently,

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<v Speaker 2>centering on foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 1>You went to Israel and spoke in Tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been characterized, I think kind of clumsily as

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<v Speaker 2>a critique of the Prime Minister of Benjamin Thattaho. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was a larger speech than that. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>just criticism. You laid out a plan for peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Or at least you heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>Unigating the show'st yes, I think the Prime Minister led

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<v Speaker 3>Israel into basically a dead end. Here's what I would

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<v Speaker 3>do to get out of that status, because I have

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<v Speaker 3>concern for the Alliance and more than that, Japan and

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<v Speaker 3>Ally very popular in the United States, NATO, very popular

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<v Speaker 3>in America. We have a critical ally who is dropping

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<v Speaker 3>precipitously in America, dropping precipitously in Europe, Canada, Australia have

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<v Speaker 3>to have a breakout moment that actually establishes support for

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<v Speaker 3>the country, not just a particular prime minister or government.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make of the reaction to the response

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<v Speaker 2>to it? Again, it has been kind of distilled into

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<v Speaker 2>something that it wasn't entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 2>What does it say about the way that we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about US Israel people.

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<v Speaker 3>At work on like without characterizing them sense? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>President Clinton and I talked, you know, Hillary Clinton put

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<v Speaker 3>out a comment. I know I've talked to Hakim Jeffries

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<v Speaker 3>so one. I viewed the pariah status, the isolation of

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<v Speaker 3>Israel strategically, diplomatically, militarily, economically, as a real threat to Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Big article today about the economists what this is in danger?

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<v Speaker 3>So I laid out a strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The Saudi Arabia, which is kind of the Crown Jewel,

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<v Speaker 3>was a sponsor of the twenty thirteen proposal by the

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<v Speaker 3>Arab League for a twenty three state solution. Basically, all

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one nations would recognize Israel if you came to

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<v Speaker 3>some settlement agreement between sovereignty and security the Holy Grail.

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<v Speaker 3>But Saudi Arabia now post October seventh, won't go singularly,

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<v Speaker 3>but in a there's a comfort in numbers with all

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one gay one. But you don't get to sit

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<v Speaker 3>on the sideline, Arab League. You have to stand up

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<v Speaker 3>a Palestinian authority.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're three strikes out.

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<v Speaker 3>They got three times offered sovereignty, three times said no

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<v Speaker 3>and returned violence. So you've made a cynical Israeli partner.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not how you build trust. So I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 3>you a chance to get out of jail card a

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<v Speaker 3>fourth chance. But everybody in the Arab League's got to

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<v Speaker 3>stand up that partner. You've got to recognize it not

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<v Speaker 3>only the state of Israel, but it's historic right. You

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<v Speaker 3>got to stop rewarding terrorists for killing Israelis because they're Israelis,

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<v Speaker 3>and stop teaching your children to hate Israelis now Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to stop undermining And a classic example of

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<v Speaker 1>this government.

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<v Speaker 3>This government undermined the Palestinian authority, but they allowed Katar

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<v Speaker 3>to send six billion dollars to Hamas. Hamas was not

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<v Speaker 3>using that six billion dollars to build McDonald's franchise in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>They were building tunnels, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You knew it. That was a strategic failure of this government.

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<v Speaker 1>The second.

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<v Speaker 3>As you can see, I recommended the IMEC India, Mideast

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<v Speaker 3>Europe economic cord or cables ports energy.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to get around the strait of hermus.

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<v Speaker 3>It puts Israel's technological prowess at the center of the

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<v Speaker 3>most important trade route, so both economically and strategically, making Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>as David Bengorion, the founding father said, a nation among nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Second important is in the critique. Every country has four

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<v Speaker 3>tools in its security toolbox military power, political persuasion, economic stakecraft,

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<v Speaker 3>cultural attraction. The Prime Minister has after fied three of

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<v Speaker 3>them to the point their non existence, and relied on

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<v Speaker 3>only one.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Acceptable if you're trying to be uh and have actually security.

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<v Speaker 3>Example of that, and I'll pay the calling cards. You

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<v Speaker 3>can use my AT and T calling card.

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<v Speaker 1>You have.

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<v Speaker 3>Assyrian government today they said Iran is our common enemy.

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<v Speaker 3>Syria is the highway sixty six for Iran to has Bella.

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<v Speaker 3>You can cut it off. And he wants to count,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, the president of Syria, I want to come

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<v Speaker 3>to a security agreement with Israel. The United States is

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<v Speaker 3>now building or facilitating a building of Iraqi oil through

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<v Speaker 3>cyrial Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Call the Syrian president.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even a piece of agreement security agreement. The people

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<v Speaker 3>in the northern galley of Israel would get security, and

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<v Speaker 3>you would actually knock out the security. The trade route

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<v Speaker 3>from Tehran two Beirut suburbs.

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<v Speaker 1>That fund has beloup. That's it. Use your diplomatic tools.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister likes to say he was raised with English,

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<v Speaker 3>learned the letter D. It starts first letter in the

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<v Speaker 3>word diplomacy. Try it.

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<v Speaker 1>It works.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a long professional, familial history with Israel. Your

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<v Speaker 2>sense of the kind of reception that your speech got

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<v Speaker 2>there as they look at their elections coming up here,

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<v Speaker 2>is there an appetite for what you kind of proposed

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<v Speaker 2>in that speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I do think so. I mean, look just as

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<v Speaker 3>you can. There is a big interview on Channel twelve

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<v Speaker 3>with Unique Levy. The Nacham Barnet, who is the premier

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<v Speaker 3>columnist in Israel at Idiot wrote dedicated three full pages

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<v Speaker 3>and the cover on a Sunday story which was Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>are you listening?

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<v Speaker 1>Ram has a message. We need to hear him.

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<v Speaker 3>So now again, I didn't bust out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't make it up to Kira A Shimoni in

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<v Speaker 3>the north of Brusheva in the south. But I was

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<v Speaker 3>in the kind of Tel Aviv Jerusalem corridor.

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<v Speaker 1>But everybody knows.

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<v Speaker 3>An example of this, one hundred Israeli generals did an

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<v Speaker 3>open letter that what's happening on the West Bank, they

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<v Speaker 3>called it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not use this term.

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<v Speaker 3>Those one hundred generals plus Hinnvett leaders called it Jewish terrorism.

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<v Speaker 1>And said it's undermining Israels security.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing I said of the criticism has not been said

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<v Speaker 3>by leaders of Israel's own security shin Bet.

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<v Speaker 1>As well as IDF.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing and I never referred to it as terrorism. Their

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<v Speaker 3>own generals and shim Bett members in an open letter

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<v Speaker 3>to society.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what the Prime minister is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have a long history going back to nine

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<v Speaker 3>when he publicly I didn't need a war to know

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<v Speaker 3>what Israel was doing. I publicly I told him what

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<v Speaker 3>you are doing on housing in the West Bank will.

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<v Speaker 1>Isolate Israel and lead to perpetual conflict.

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<v Speaker 3>If there was If there was a conclusion I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be wrong on, that was it. He then publicly

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<v Speaker 3>accused me of self loathing j Now I believe opposing

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<v Speaker 3>the settlements and encouraging the President Obama, which he did

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<v Speaker 3>to fund the Iron Dome, are not contradictory but actually

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<v Speaker 3>complimentary to Israel's security.

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<v Speaker 1>They go their heads and tails are the same coin.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to move to domestic policy now.

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<v Speaker 2>If they couldn't look ahead to the next election. You've

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<v Speaker 2>said you're thinking about running. You haven't made a decision yet.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the factors that you're weighing. You've characterized this

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<v Speaker 2>as a Baskin Robbins primary in the Democratic Party will

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<v Speaker 2>be thirty one flavors, and I'm curious if you're lining

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<v Speaker 2>up to be one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, well, in twenty twenty four, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately didn't have a primary, didn't have a choice. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that was bad for the party and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's bad but also for the electoral out come. And

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<v Speaker 3>the truth is we didn't really have one in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe in twenty twenty eight, I said it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be like Baskin and Robins and thirty one flavors,

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<v Speaker 3>And if I decide to do it, I plan on

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<v Speaker 3>being Rocky Road.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at the travel that you've done, Yes to Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes to Europe. To give a speech on NATO. But

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<v Speaker 2>you've been to Mississippi, you've been to New Hampshire. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what we can draw from the places you've visited.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of what you're looking at here again, perhaps in

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<v Speaker 2>the interest of you running in the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>One is, America faces a series of challenges, but everything

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<v Speaker 3>that ails America can be answered by what's working in America.

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<v Speaker 1>So look in word do you say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, I don't by a good way of example,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe like I went to Mississippi where they're

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<v Speaker 3>moved from forty ninth to ninth thund reading. If you

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<v Speaker 3>actually have tests for other things, they're number one in America.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to go by way of example and

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<v Speaker 3>look at Manchester, England.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right here in Mississippi. I don't need to go overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's working here. How do we scale it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to assume in New Hampshire they have their

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<v Speaker 3>own examples. In Lacrosse, Wisconsin, I don't need to go

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<v Speaker 3>to Luxembourg. Lacrosse, Wisconsin's community college system, in their high

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<v Speaker 3>school system, in their industry is an example of what's

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<v Speaker 3>working in the integration of economic growth and educational opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>I will soon after Labor Day make a trip to Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the only states whose math and reading scores are now.

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<v Speaker 1>Pre COVID numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>They have figured out the combination to the lot. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I partially care about education. I cannot believe the country

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<v Speaker 3>has become complacent where fifty percent of our kids can't

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<v Speaker 3>read at grade level. There is no getting from here

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<v Speaker 3>to there for that student. If they cannot read, cannot

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<v Speaker 3>do math, cannot not only graduate high school, but go

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<v Speaker 3>into the armed forces, vocational ed community colleges, or go

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<v Speaker 3>on to a four year institution. So my view is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go down to Louisiana learn what they

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<v Speaker 3>have done. I've got started to read this report from

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<v Speaker 3>both Stamford and Harvard and from a tu Lane professor

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to yesterday, and I want to highlight what

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<v Speaker 3>Louisiana has done as every other forty nine states are struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>Our math and Reeney scores are anemic.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think we as a country can give

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<v Speaker 3>up on a single child in this country. Now, if

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<v Speaker 3>you figured out the combination to the Locke, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to take Louisiana to all forty nine states, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how we're going to reboot the Department of Education to

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<v Speaker 3>actually do something for the future. There is no getting

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<v Speaker 3>from here to there, ever, when only a third of

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<v Speaker 3>your citizens are reading and doing math.

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<v Speaker 1>At grade level.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at the four great moments of American

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<v Speaker 3>economic growth, landgrand colleges, universal high school education, GI Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>science and technology split in a challenge, the one through

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<v Speaker 3>line in constant is when you invest in Americans, America wins.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I believe in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a question about your party, that the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 2>going back to these thirty one flavors. Do you see

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<v Speaker 2>this at all problematic that there is such I guess

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<v Speaker 2>debate or discord within the party right now when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the issue of you US as real policy,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to all of these issues, is it productive,

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<v Speaker 2>as you see it, to have conversations about I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>policy book.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in a family where dinner table conversations

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<v Speaker 3>representing the gladiators. So I actually I'm four. I think

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things this is my analysis of the party.

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<v Speaker 3>We come out of it, and I'm as guilty as

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<v Speaker 3>anybody else. In two thousand and eight, President Obama wins,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were running around going demographics as Destiny look

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<v Speaker 3>at his coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>The future is ours now.

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<v Speaker 3>We became, in my view, as a party intellectually flabby,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're paying a price for that, both on the

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<v Speaker 3>political grounds and the policy grounds, and ultimately not just us,

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<v Speaker 3>but the country because we're not kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of sharp and rigorous.

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<v Speaker 3>So I happen to think a debate is way way overdue.

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<v Speaker 3>I happen to want I think we should engage in

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<v Speaker 3>a policy debate. Look, somebody else has another education idea

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't agree with mine, great game on, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>You agree. I said, you serve two years national service,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you the money for a down payment. You

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<v Speaker 1>have another idea on how to solve that. Bring it forward.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, as I stated, a ten percent tax on

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<v Speaker 3>the prediction markets, an online sport gaming goes into an

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<v Speaker 3>innovation fund for the National Institute of Health, National Science Foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>and the dark but double research dollars. You have another

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<v Speaker 3>way to advance research and development.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring it forward. Let's have this debate.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be a better party to better serve America's future.

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<v Speaker 3>My view is that the party has spent too much

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<v Speaker 3>time just focusing on fighting Trump. I want to prove

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<v Speaker 3>to the country, the majority of America we know how

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<v Speaker 3>to fight for America, not just fight against Donald Trump.