Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorny.
Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, this is Trista Setter. I was the original
Speaker 2: Bachelorette back in the day, and I am so honored
Speaker 2: to be able to.
Speaker 1: Host So Let's Be Clear podcast.
Speaker 2: I was just asking who's done it in the past,
Speaker 2: and I am just so honored to be one of
Speaker 2: the new names to be able to co host this podcast.
Speaker 2: So and I am so excited today because I am
Speaker 2: a huge organizational junkie, Like I love organization, and I
Speaker 2: was a massive Extreme Makeover Home Edition fan back in
Speaker 2: the day or Extreme Makeover fan, I guess I should say,
Speaker 2: because that's what it used to be called before Extreme
Speaker 2: Makeover Home Edition, and then Jillian Harris, a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: was on the show. Anyway, I I'm so excited about
Speaker 2: talking to these two guests today. Cleia and Joanna are
Speaker 2: the Home edit and they have so many great ideas
Speaker 2: about organization and I think it's perfect for the new year.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to be able to welcome Clia
Speaker 2: and Joanna to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Hi, Trista, great to meet you.
Speaker 2: AI you do okay, Well, I'm so excited to talk.
Speaker 2: My name is Trista and I don't know if you
Speaker 2: know my name or anything about me, but.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're so cute.
Speaker 2: Well we are family now because ABC is family, and
Speaker 2: you know I'm an ABC Girl, bachelor, bachelorette, and welcome
Speaker 2: to the ABC family. I'm so excited to welcome you
Speaker 2: and to be on this podcast today. Let's be clear
Speaker 2: with Shannon Doherty, and I am honored to be able
Speaker 2: to host. So I want to back up to when
Speaker 2: you got the call for the show, like, tell me
Speaker 2: how that went down, because I feel like that's so exciting.
Speaker 4: So I'll say that we started having conversations well before
Speaker 4: we actually got the green light to film the pilot,
Speaker 4: and I'm telling you, in those conversations, every single time Joanna.
Speaker 3: Was like, do you think that this is this is
Speaker 3: really going to happen, I was like, there's no way.
Speaker 3: It's just not going to happen. There's like chance not,
Speaker 3: It's just not a thing that's going to happen, right,
Speaker 3: Like this is not baked in reality.
Speaker 5: No, And She's like it's just not And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: Debbie Downer.
Speaker 4: But like and then like the conversation started feeling more
Speaker 4: real and then there were conversations about maybe starting casting,
Speaker 4: and still.
Speaker 3: I was like, I believe it when I see it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's coming out tonight, and she's like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know if it's going to act.
Speaker 4: But when we actually got the call that this was
Speaker 4: in fact happening there, you know, there are two calls
Speaker 4: that got the call for the pilot and then the
Speaker 4: green light for the whole series pick up.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, no, it's insane. We're like, wait what
Speaker 3: And then we're like, are they do they know? They're
Speaker 3: sure they know that we don't know how to build
Speaker 3: a house, Like has that been made clear?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, full disclaimer, we don't know what we're doing
Speaker 5: with building a house.
Speaker 3: So for pretty much anything that you.
Speaker 4: Know that they need, unless it was an organizing thing,
Speaker 4: we're just going to show up and be ourselves and
Speaker 4: like you let us know if you need anything more from.
Speaker 3: Us, right, Yeah, And it worked out. So that's how
Speaker 3: it went.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say it worked out. Is this
Speaker 1: something that you guys dreamt of?
Speaker 2: Like watching the show and did you did you know
Speaker 2: each other back when the other show was on? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, so okay we met.
Speaker 4: Now that it's twenty twenty five, This is our ten
Speaker 4: year anniversary.
Speaker 3: This year we can say that, we can officially say that.
Speaker 4: And we did not know each other before we went
Speaker 4: into business together. We met at a blind lunch date,
Speaker 4: a blind friend lunch date, and got up as business partners.
Speaker 4: So these last ten years have been jam packed with
Speaker 4: you know, starting a company, adding to the company, doing
Speaker 4: all sorts of different things that do not just involve
Speaker 4: organizing a home anymore, you know. There we have so
Speaker 4: much going on in our business, and every day has
Speaker 4: been spent plugging away since the minute that we met.
Speaker 3: And truly we could not have drunk this piece. No,
Speaker 3: absolutely not. Who dreams this big? Right?
Speaker 1: Not us?
Speaker 3: Certainly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, but everyone should, right because hello, yes, dreams
Speaker 2: are coming true.
Speaker 4: Well you can just manifest it apparently, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I mean it is it is really time, pretty wild
Speaker 4: how where we've ended up. Literally, even just as today,
Speaker 4: sitting right here, I'm like, I can't believe the show
Speaker 4: is coming out tonight. You know, I'm still not dreaming
Speaker 4: this big, That's right, I'm still like you should.
Speaker 1: You should, especially as organization people.
Speaker 2: I feel like so much of organization also is mental
Speaker 2: and I know that seeing the you know, the trailer
Speaker 2: for the show, that a lot of what you guys
Speaker 2: are doing with the show, kind of like the reboot
Speaker 2: two point zero, whatever you want to call it, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of it is.
Speaker 2: Is dealing with people's emotions, you know, their sentimentality of things,
Speaker 2: and that's heavy. Tell me about tell me about that
Speaker 2: in the reboot and the two point zero version of
Speaker 2: the show, and what you guys are including now.
Speaker 5: Because they did bring us in as hosts and we're
Speaker 5: clearly not contractors, we brought our organizational lens to the show.
Speaker 5: And so what we did differently with this family or
Speaker 5: with all the families is go through their items and
Speaker 5: show what's serving them and what's not serving them and
Speaker 5: try to help make it form decisions on how to
Speaker 5: move forward in their next house.
Speaker 4: What we do, which is different in this reboot than
Speaker 4: the previous iteration, we set up something called an edit
Speaker 4: zone where we were move all of the contents of
Speaker 4: their previous house and set it up in a giant space,
Speaker 4: room by room, so we can actually walk the family
Speaker 4: through all of their things from the kitchen to their
Speaker 4: bedrooms and so forth, and like Joanna said, make informed
Speaker 4: decisions about what is moving forward into their new home
Speaker 4: and what is no longer serving them. And some of
Speaker 4: what we discover along the way is really emotional, it's
Speaker 4: really challenging, or it's been something that's really held them
Speaker 4: back from moving forward that they didn't even know was
Speaker 4: a problem.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are held back by their things,
Speaker 5: but some people are really paralyzed by their things, and
Speaker 5: they're not even aware of how much those items are
Speaker 5: holding them.
Speaker 4: Back, right, And I think that that's what we bring
Speaker 4: to the show, is that editing process, and that the
Speaker 4: lens that we have for you know, these families were
Speaker 4: not just in need of a new home necessarily, which
Speaker 4: they all are deserving and need that, but they were
Speaker 4: really needing a lens in their life of a lot
Speaker 4: of baggage, like emotional, physical, a lot of it. And
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, going through this process, it's
Speaker 4: such a richer experience and such a richer story I
Speaker 4: think for people to watch.
Speaker 2: Yes, so powerful I saw the I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's in the trailer or whatever preview if you want to,
Speaker 2: if you want to call it, that of the edits
Speaker 2: own and to see your entire house all laid out
Speaker 2: has to be like overwhelming, like overwhelming, so thank god
Speaker 2: they have you to go through it and someone to help.
Speaker 2: But how can how what's the advice you would give
Speaker 2: to you know, the normal trista setter, Joshmo, you know,
Speaker 2: on on getting through that without having a massive space
Speaker 2: to lay everything out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So unless you have the help or the space,
Speaker 5: not advise this, Do not.
Speaker 3: Do this yourself.
Speaker 5: What I would do is kind of the actual opposite,
Speaker 5: which is start really really small. We always tell people
Speaker 5: as small as you really can, like oh, the drawer,
Speaker 5: because once you get your feet wet and the system
Speaker 5: is actually easy. The system is the same no matter
Speaker 5: what space you're organizing. But you want to start where
Speaker 5: you can really comfortable and see the project all the
Speaker 5: way through from A to Z. And if you start insay,
Speaker 5: a closet or your whole house, right, you will never
Speaker 5: see it through.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna like buy and be in the corner.
Speaker 5: So you have to start extraordinarily small and start with
Speaker 5: the edit in that little space.
Speaker 4: Right, Like if you're just doing a drawer in the
Speaker 4: kitchen with kitchen utensils, you can take all that out
Speaker 4: and lay it on the counter and make smart decisions
Speaker 4: like do I need to have three lemon juicers, you know,
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be. And then you know, you
Speaker 4: figure out your containment in the drawer, you add it
Speaker 4: back and donate whatever you're you know, purging, and I
Speaker 4: think that you can then take that and be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I can do a cabinet. Now I can do something
Speaker 4: slightly bigger. I can start maybe with a dresser, drawer
Speaker 4: or you know, something to get your feet wet and
Speaker 4: to understand the process. And then with time you can
Speaker 4: be like, all right, maybe I'm ready for the pantry,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm ready for my closet. And you always want
Speaker 4: to make sure to leave yourself enough time, because nothing's.
Speaker 3: Worth when you're at thirty minutes before you camp the can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you unload everything and then you're just gonna
Speaker 4: shove it back in without having done any People done.
Speaker 5: That before, like started a big project right before you
Speaker 5: know you have to leave and it's just and then
Speaker 5: you just shove things back in, right, so you don't
Speaker 5: have time.
Speaker 3: Totally. The other advice totally do is that.
Speaker 5: The editing and the organizing don't have to be done
Speaker 5: in the same minute. Yes, they're kind of separate. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're they're coexisting partners, but they're two separate actions, and
Speaker 5: so it can be overwhelming if you're not really comfortable
Speaker 5: to do those two things at the same time. So
Speaker 5: you can always do the editing and then come back
Speaker 5: for the organizing.
Speaker 4: Each one is powerful, right, Like in the kitchen utensil example,
Speaker 4: if you edit out the you know, the juicers and
Speaker 4: the squeezers or whatever you're you don't need more of
Speaker 4: whether whether or not you even use them at all.
Speaker 4: You can do that edit without getting like the drawer
Speaker 4: organizers and without doing kind of the organizing containment piece
Speaker 4: in the drawer. Yet you could just do the edit
Speaker 4: and then work on you know, the organizing separate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: What are things that most people that you find your
Speaker 2: clients get stuck on, you know, like they get to
Speaker 2: a part and they're like, Okay, here's where the paralyzation starts.
Speaker 1: I can't move forward.
Speaker 5: Mostly it's in the closet, I think, because that brings
Speaker 5: up so many life decisions. I mean, like think about
Speaker 5: the pit versus the kitchen. You're not that attached to
Speaker 5: an olive oil. Most people are not, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean some people, if you would guess the majority of
Speaker 3: people are not attached to a lemon juice, right, Like
Speaker 3: if something's expired, it's they're really ready to move on.
Speaker 3: But now people don't consider their genes to be expired.
Speaker 5: And it's like brings up a lot of issues like
Speaker 5: what if I have another baby and I what if
Speaker 5: I can't fit into this paragon?
Speaker 3: Like it brings up.
Speaker 4: All maybe I want to fit into this paragon, so
Speaker 4: I don't want to get rid of it.
Speaker 5: Right, So there's so many different life decisions that come up,
Speaker 5: like bigger conversations that I think people it makes them
Speaker 5: so anxious that they just they don't want to see
Speaker 5: or deal with it.
Speaker 3: It's hard even for me.
Speaker 4: And I ended out in my closet probably I would
Speaker 4: say once a month, like a really yeah, yes, And
Speaker 4: it's amazing. Every time I go through, I'm like I
Speaker 4: find more pieces that I'm like, you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: wear it that season.
Speaker 5: There or a lot of guilt too with closets and people,
Speaker 5: you know, have a lot of guilt that they spent
Speaker 5: money on something they didn't love it. Every time they
Speaker 5: put it on, they don't they never really loved it
Speaker 5: and so it's just sitting there collecting dust.
Speaker 4: And they thought like they liked the idea of it.
Speaker 4: I mean that's what I run into.
Speaker 3: We all do, even the two of us. But you
Speaker 3: know you've got to you've got to see see yourself
Speaker 3: through and you got to cut your losses.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't double down now. Now it's collecting dust and
Speaker 5: you paid for it. So it's like now you're doubling down.
Speaker 3: Mistake. Right, you can sell most of your closet items too.
Speaker 5: Or donate them to Yeah, exactly love them, you know,
Speaker 5: don't double down on a mis feeling.
Speaker 3: Getting rid of exonerating yourself with the guilt is a
Speaker 3: big piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's that? What's that key component? You walk
Speaker 2: in your closet, you want to edit and you have
Speaker 2: all this sentimentality.
Speaker 1: What is the key?
Speaker 2: Like, what is the key to helping us get through
Speaker 2: our closets and actually be able.
Speaker 5: To take Okay, So you have to ask yourself why
Speaker 5: why are you wanting to do this anyway?
Speaker 3: Like what's the impetus for you to do this declutter?
Speaker 3: Is it so full?
Speaker 5: Does it make you anxious? Like what's what's what's the
Speaker 5: reason that we're doing it? And then you have to
Speaker 5: bring yourself back there and remind yourself in the process
Speaker 5: why you're doing this to begin with, and that it's
Speaker 5: an opportunity and it's not a chore.
Speaker 3: Right, this is an opportunity.
Speaker 4: I mean for me, I you know, I keep things
Speaker 4: pretty minimal in.
Speaker 3: My house except for my closet.
Speaker 4: And you know, I like to say, like, maybe give
Speaker 4: myself an excuse, like you know, we're on TV all
Speaker 4: the time, Like I go to events, I need to
Speaker 4: have clothes.
Speaker 3: I need an option for this and for that.
Speaker 4: But the truth is, my closet can get tight if
Speaker 4: I don't do an edit, if I if I am
Speaker 4: consuming without purging, it's a problem. And I like clothes
Speaker 4: and I like shoes, and you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: a My closet is a sticking point, even for me.
Speaker 4: And I'm pretty ruthless, so I I am, and but
Speaker 4: so I understand how people feel when it comes to
Speaker 4: getting rid of things, because you know, I could look
Speaker 4: out a sweater and think of an outfit that I
Speaker 4: could wear with it. But I also need to start
Speaker 4: being realistic with myself. And you know, sweater weather is
Speaker 4: for a certain amount of time of the year if
Speaker 4: I didn't wear it once, you know, and we live
Speaker 4: in Nashville, so.
Speaker 3: Like we actually have sweat weather. This isn't just la.
Speaker 4: So if I didn't wear once in all that time,
Speaker 4: why am I still thinking that I will.
Speaker 5: The other tip I would say for people too, is
Speaker 5: that the closet is such a valuable real estate. So like, say, okay,
Speaker 5: I don't want to get rid of my wedding dress.
Speaker 5: I did, by the way, but but I understand we.
Speaker 3: Dress, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5: I gave it to my My mom was like, we'll
Speaker 5: save it, and then I don't know if she has
Speaker 5: it or not. But anyway, oh yeah, I just say
Speaker 5: I understand people wanted to get rid of your wedding
Speaker 5: dress or keep it.
Speaker 3: Let me say that. Let me say keep.
Speaker 4: It, yeah, because I don't think most people will get
Speaker 4: rid of it.
Speaker 3: It's fine. But you have a small closet.
Speaker 5: Your white dresses are usually pretty big and bulky, so
Speaker 5: you have a lot of space in prime real estate
Speaker 5: in your closet every single day.
Speaker 3: Well, you wouldn't hang it in your clothes.
Speaker 5: A lot of people still do, and that's what they
Speaker 5: run into problems. If it's sitting there, I'm saying. What
Speaker 5: I'm saying is take things out that are sentimental.
Speaker 3: That I've ever run into someone with a weding dress
Speaker 3: in the closet.
Speaker 5: Yes, people have buddy dresses hanging in their closet and
Speaker 5: are folded up right.
Speaker 3: On top of it. Well not, I mean usually it's
Speaker 3: observing box. Yes, but it doesn't have to be in
Speaker 3: that space.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, we can take our marital dispute elsewhere. It's
Speaker 4: also a good time to.
Speaker 3: Point out that the wedding was not Your wedding dress.
Speaker 4: Was not to me, you husband, husband the other right, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: Sometimes that's a misconception.
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm like offending beause you got wedding wedding dress.
Speaker 3: I can definitely sound like that. And I have a husband.
Speaker 3: I have a husband and a separate dress. I mean
Speaker 3: I love her. I love her too. It's not I wouldn't,
Speaker 3: but I just didn't. Yeah, yeah, we just did it all.
Speaker 2: Yes, And and I have to not like you guys
Speaker 2: are obviously very close and all of the rainbows, like
Speaker 2: your rainbow Christmas trees are inspiration. I freaking love them.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The rainbow Christmas tree tradition started pretty early in the
Speaker 4: home Atic Ecosystem. Yeah, yeah, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I remember my first rainbow tree like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1: Do you still have it all the stuff or did
Speaker 1: you edit it?
Speaker 3: Oh? No?
Speaker 4: Well, over time, I like to do a different type
Speaker 4: of rainbow tree every year, and like.
Speaker 3: Slight different variations.
Speaker 4: Now we have an incredible team that works at the
Speaker 4: Home Edit and they put together spectacular rainbow tree. You know,
Speaker 4: they do like one last year it was all different
Speaker 4: rainbow velvet bows, and then this year we did a rainbow.
Speaker 3: Flower tree, and then and a candy tree. We had
Speaker 3: a flower tree at the HQ. Yeah that was right.
Speaker 4: So they do like over the top crazy Christmas trees,
Speaker 4: but just for my own personal home, you know.
Speaker 3: One the first year, I.
Speaker 4: Think I did it mainly just with like you know,
Speaker 4: Christmas or I'm sorry, colorful rainbow ornaments. And then those
Speaker 4: ornaments grew to a different ornament collection, and then it
Speaker 4: was a mixture of like bulbs with different shapes and
Speaker 4: fruit and all sorts of things. But but yeah, our
Speaker 4: team makes the most over the incredible trees.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous, so much fun. I love color. If you can't
Speaker 2: tell this is so anyway, Okay, I have a very
Speaker 2: important question. Okay, headbands, how many head bands do you have?
Speaker 3: Scene them out?
Speaker 5: And actually I edit them quite a bit and donate
Speaker 5: them because she does.
Speaker 4: I really you know, I land so much space, right
Speaker 4: and because you want new ones?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I want new ones, and I have to
Speaker 5: applied by my own rules. Is editing out things so
Speaker 5: that there's enough space where things are not tight.
Speaker 4: That's how I am with shoes. I am at this point.
Speaker 4: If I want to buy a pair of shoes, I
Speaker 4: have to edit a pair of shoes.
Speaker 3: I am at a one in one out. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: that's how I am with headbands. It's bad. It's it's
Speaker 3: we're on the one in one out at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I love it.
Speaker 2: Like I would love to see your space, That's what
Speaker 2: That's what I feel like everyone wants to see is
Speaker 2: your spaces, you know, your closets, to see what we
Speaker 2: can aspire to, you know published, so.
Speaker 3: People, mine's coming out yeah, but my way good.
Speaker 4: I think the end of September mine came out out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's an architectural digest.
Speaker 3: You can see.
Speaker 1: Well, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's another huge win, Like like at that year, the
Speaker 2: year you're having and twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I know you can. You can definitely tell that my
Speaker 3: closet is full. It's full fall that's your thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, full, Okay.
Speaker 3: I like clothes and shoes.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't we all? I?
Speaker 2: Sam, Sam Sam same? Okay, Extreme Makeover Home Edition. Tell
Speaker 2: me what was your favorite part of filming?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So the family that is in episode one, the Warren family,
Speaker 4: It's so funny. Right before we came on, I was starting,
Speaker 4: I got a text from Gail, the mom.
Speaker 3: And I was texting her back.
Speaker 4: She's still obviously a huge part of our lives. We
Speaker 4: love this family. We love all the families, but it
Speaker 4: started with the Warrens. Yeah, and you know, they're just
Speaker 4: the most incredible, deserving family. When we were doing the
Speaker 4: edit zone process us with them and actually you know,
Speaker 4: walking them through all of their things, there was a
Speaker 4: real transformational moment that occurred.
Speaker 3: And that was the.
Speaker 4: Moment that we called our husbands and said, you and
Speaker 4: the kids need to get on a plane and come
Speaker 4: to Austin and witness what we're witnessing because this is
Speaker 4: changing our lives, not just their lives.
Speaker 3: And I'm forever changed and I need you to be
Speaker 3: a part of this.
Speaker 4: So they did. They dropped everything and came to Austin.
Speaker 4: It was just the most credible incredible still is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're still in touch, and I mean Sill was thinking
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: They're this family, I mean all the families to clear
Speaker 5: this point, they're all incredible and so deserving.
Speaker 3: But it started with the Warrants. That was the first episode.
Speaker 5: We found and it just has They all have such
Speaker 5: lasting impressions on us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's your favorite part, just being able to
Speaker 2: connect with the families, in connection with.
Speaker 5: The family and working with our team and the incredible
Speaker 5: crew that's on the show. I think all of those
Speaker 5: we have amazing. We have an amazing team of designers
Speaker 5: and contractor. Wendell and Arion are on the show with us,
Speaker 5: and meeting them we had just.
Speaker 4: It's the word family is really what comes to mind,
Speaker 4: because it's not just the families that were all here
Speaker 4: to support and work for, it's also a family with
Speaker 4: our crew, a family with our team, a family with
Speaker 4: Arion and Wendell. Everyone came together in such unison and
Speaker 4: it was truly the most I mean it sounds so cliche,
Speaker 4: but it was just the most life changing, life affirming
Speaker 4: situation I've ever in my life been a part of.
Speaker 4: I've never ever had anything so transformational to me happened.
Speaker 4: And you know, we've had a lot happen in our
Speaker 4: in our lives, but this show, being able to film,
Speaker 4: the show, being a family all together, being with the
Speaker 4: families that were that we're here to build a.
Speaker 3: Home for It's just I don't even have words for now.
Speaker 5: I don't either. It's just been incredible, what an experience.
Speaker 5: We're just the luckiest people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Leah, you talked about this past year has
Speaker 2: been you know, hard or heavy. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 2: the word that you used, but you've been very open
Speaker 2: about your health journey.
Speaker 1: Can you share how you're doing now?
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I in November, I was two years.
Speaker 3: Since my last.
Speaker 4: Since I ended chemo and radiation, So two years of
Speaker 4: being cancer free or what doctors like to say no
Speaker 4: evidence of disease, which it's like no one can just
Speaker 4: say the words cancer free.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, but like can we just can we
Speaker 3: call it that?
Speaker 4: But you know, so two years out, I am still
Speaker 4: I'm my cancer. My breast cancer was hormone positive. So
Speaker 4: for people who understand that world. My cancer essentially feeds
Speaker 4: on hormones, which means I've had a great long couple
Speaker 4: of years of hormone suppression. I have removed my ovaries,
Speaker 4: I got a new forectomy about six months ago, and
Speaker 4: I still take medication, multiple medications, twice a day every day,
Speaker 4: and I will for the next several years. I think
Speaker 4: I'll be on certain medications up for another ten years
Speaker 4: or so. So it's definitely been a process. Not having
Speaker 4: not being an active treatment is still it's an amazing
Speaker 4: thing to not have active treatment, but treatment still remains,
Speaker 4: and it's a long, long process, and I don't think
Speaker 4: that a lot of people understand that that it's you know,
Speaker 4: there's still a very long tail when you have cancer.
Speaker 3: So but I am really fortunate.
Speaker 4: That because of my specific diagnosis, I'm able to take
Speaker 4: I'm eligible to take some of these medications. Not everyone is,
Speaker 4: so I consider myself lucky in all regards.
Speaker 3: Really. I also have just hopefully.
Speaker 4: Finished my last reconstruction surgery that was just in November,
Speaker 4: so still very recent that that may marks my seventh
Speaker 4: surgery since being diagnosed. So you know, again it's still
Speaker 4: all a process.
Speaker 3: It's ongoing. Just because.
Speaker 4: Just because you stop, you know, your radiation treatments and
Speaker 4: your chemo treatments, does not mean that you know you're
Speaker 4: out of the shadow of cancer by any stretch. And
Speaker 4: I definitely I like to remind people of that. For
Speaker 4: anyone that has friends and family who were going through
Speaker 4: cancer treatment, they're likely still not completely finished. And I
Speaker 4: think it's important for people to understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, Thank you for sharing and being so open
Speaker 2: about it. I'm sorry for all that you've been through
Speaker 2: and and hope that you know you are able to
Speaker 2: continue to use the medications and and be healthy.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm trucking. I am not. Yeah, I promised you.
Speaker 1: Good, good good.
Speaker 2: That's powerful, Joanna. How is it like being the best
Speaker 2: die of somebody going through something.
Speaker 1: So heavy like that? How is it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I my husband has lime disease and in it it's
Speaker 2: really hard when the people that you love are are
Speaker 2: suffering and you know, facing something so so medically heavy.
Speaker 1: You know how?
Speaker 2: How what's the advice that you would give to people
Speaker 2: who are trying to be there for their loved ones?
Speaker 2: How can you best be there for them? What has
Speaker 2: what have you found was a way that you were
Speaker 2: able to help Clea through.
Speaker 5: That's a good question. I think everyone's so different on
Speaker 5: what they need, you know. It's just so it's so
Speaker 5: frustrating and upsetting because you can't take away I you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not an oncologist. I can't like do anything like
Speaker 5: I can't give her medical advice like I I'm just
Speaker 5: like on the journey with her in the way that
Speaker 5: I am. And it's just it's so hard not to
Speaker 5: be able to just take the disease away myself, you know,
Speaker 5: I just want it to be done, and it's so unfair.
Speaker 5: And you know, I feel that way about so many people,
Speaker 5: you know, faced with these terrible illnesses. I mean, the
Speaker 5: thing I know about Clia is that she is a
Speaker 5: powerhouse and like, no one's going to get in the way.
Speaker 5: If she has our mindset on, you know, conquering something,
Speaker 5: there is nothing that's going to stop her. So it
Speaker 5: was never I never had the worry because I just
Speaker 5: know who she is and I really wasn't worried that
Speaker 5: this was going to be it. I just hate it
Speaker 5: to see her suffering in any with anything holding her
Speaker 5: back from her like absolute potential at that time. So
Speaker 5: I don't know if that answers your question, but I you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I was that helpful. I just
Speaker 5: I was just I just hated watching her having to
Speaker 5: navigate this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I will say, yeah, you were helpful. But
Speaker 4: I think it's really important. People ask all the time
Speaker 4: how they can be there for other people going through treatment,
Speaker 4: And the truth is, everyone is so different. You need
Speaker 4: to meet them where they are, and you can't help
Speaker 4: someone with thinking. You can't help someone in the only
Speaker 4: in the way that you would want to be helped.
Speaker 4: You really have to understand how they want to be helped.
Speaker 4: And some people need people around them.
Speaker 3: That's that's how.
Speaker 4: I was, Like, I was really afraid of being lonely.
Speaker 4: That was like always on my mind, and I needed
Speaker 4: people around me.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people have.
Speaker 4: A completely opposite take a completely opposite view. Some people,
Speaker 4: you know, they might need rides to chemo appointments.
Speaker 3: They might you know.
Speaker 4: Other people are like, I just need to be alone
Speaker 4: and I don't want anyone extra there.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's needs.
Speaker 4: Are are different, and I just think it's really important
Speaker 4: to get to understand the person that you're trying to help.
Speaker 4: Not just well, my feeling is like I want people around,
Speaker 4: so I'm going to make sure to do the same
Speaker 4: for other people.
Speaker 3: That's like, not really the way it works.
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