1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Kala. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: cal Three Vermont anglers suffered severe burns to their faces 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: and hands last week after a methane pocket beneath the 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: ice caught fire in their tent. That's right, gas beneath 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the ice, not from the ice anglers. Jordan Sillers reports 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: over at the meaeater dot Com that a father and 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: his two young daughters had set up their fishing tent 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: on Harriman Reservoir when the dad went to drill a 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: hole in the ice. The exact sequence of events is 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: a little unclear, but we do know that when he 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: drilled the hole, he unintentionally tapped into a pocket of 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: methane gas. That gas caught fire in their tent, likely 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: due to a spark from their buddy heater, and the 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: three unfortunate anglers found themselves in the middle of a conflagration. 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Fishing guide Logan Boyd was the first to arrive on 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: the scene, and he says that the hats the dad 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: and the two girls were wearing had melted into their hair. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: Their gloves were also melted off, and their lips were white. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: They were able to walk, so Logan piled them into 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: his four wheeler and took them back to the car. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: The father was able to drive the three of them 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: to meet his wife, and from there they were taken 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: to a hospital in Boston. I know what you're probably wondering, 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: what was their methane gas beneath the ice on Harriman Reservoir. 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Logan has a theory that I think is pretty convincing. 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: The Harriman Reservoir is fed by two rivers on the 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: north end, both of which are lined with maple trees. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: When the leaves fall, they get flooded down into the 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: reservoir and collect at the bottom of the lake. Decomposing 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: maple leaves release methane, so when the reservoir freezes over 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: and the water level is lowered, gas gets compressed into 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: pockets underneath the ice. Logan says, not every ice fishing 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: hole taps into one of these pockets, but it's definitely 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: happened before. He posted a video on Facebook from seven 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: or eight years ago that shows a methane geyser shooting 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: up from the ice. The anglers light the guyser on fire, 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: and Logan said it burned for hours. If you've ever 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: seen a fire from an oil refinery, you can imagine 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. This seems like the kind of 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: thing local officials would want to warn their residents about, 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: but so far they haven't taken much action. The Wilmington 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Police Department said in a press release that this is 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the first they've heard of the methane gas being trapped 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: beneath the ice. Logan says it's been happening for decades, 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: but this is apparently the first time anyone has been 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: hospitalized due to one of these fires. Wilmington PD posted 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: a PSA on Facebook warning anglers not to have any 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of ignition device inside an ice fishing tent, but 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: so far they haven't posted any signs at the lake. 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: As for the victims, they're recovering well. Their wife and 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: mother posted on Facebook that they've seen tons of progress 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: in the last few days and they're face swelling has 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: almost gone down. The kids aren't fans of the burns 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: peeling off, but it means the skin underneath is healing. 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: It's also worth noting that this good natured woman refers 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: to her burn victims as toasters, which I think we 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: can all agree is fantastic. This week We've got crime, 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: the legislative desk, listener mail, and so much more. But 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: first I'm going to tell you about my week. And 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: my week was great. Finally busted my busted skis out, 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: did a little tour, then hit the slopes. The day after, 63 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: cooked a whole duck on the pellet grill with the 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: outside temp of negative seventeen inside bird temp one twenty nine. 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: Skin got super crispy and I basically ate that super 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: fat wigeon like a greasy piece of corn on the cob. That, 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: my friends, is a highlight. Other than that, by the 68 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: time you hear this all, I've met a bunch of 69 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: you at the National Wild Turkey Federation get together and 70 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: Western Hunt Expo and the Party for Public Lands that 71 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Utah Bha put on. Great to meet you, you know, 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: after the fact, but kind of maybe in advance too, 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Thanks for coming out, Thanks for supporting 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: conservation and your public lands. Now I need to attempt 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: to crowdsource some information, but I'm super interested in well. 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Steven Ronella and I got on the topic of the 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: national debt the other day. Of course, this is a 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: hot topic due to the layoffs with a big question 79 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: mark layoff within the federal workforce. If there are any 80 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: economists listening, anyone who really knows this stuff, I'd love 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: to get you on the show, or at least solicit 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: a working formula from you. As an exercise to try 83 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: and put into context, thirty five trillion dollars. I took 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: a shocking amount of a morning this week to calculate 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: the value of all mature timber on federally managed lands, 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: starting with the amount of board feet one could purchase 87 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: with a trillion dollars home depot two by four priced 88 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: at three dollars and fifty cents per I took that 89 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: number right, so a trillion divided by a three point five, 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: and applied it to the very blue sky board foot 91 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: average of a commercial harvest in Alaska. And then I 92 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: took that number and applied it to all two hundred 93 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: and thirty eight point four million acres of federally managed 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: timberland in the US and found that if we were 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: magically able to sell all commercially viable trees, and assuming 96 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: that every acre had twenty four thousand board feet per acre, 97 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: we would end up with twenty one point sixty nine 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: trillion dollars worth of two by fours. If again, in 99 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: magic land, we could put all of this on the 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: market and maintain a value of three dollars and fifty 101 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: cents per and sell all the way through. It assumes lot. 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: And what I'm dying to know as we discuss putting 103 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: all of our americas national resources on the chopping block 104 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: and bidding block is for you and I, the average 105 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: hunter and angler, what happens if the national debt is 106 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: thirty five trillion or thirteen trillion. A trillion is a 107 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: million millions. By the way, I'm also trying to understand 108 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: if folks who call for the reduction of the national 109 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: debt mean that they want to obtain a higher gross 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: domestic product than debt ratio, or if they mean actually 111 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: eliminating what percentage of debt. And this matters because there 112 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: is no way selling off our national natural resources are 113 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: going to get us there. Of course, you're listening to 114 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: a college dropout, So educate me. I'd love to learn more. Hey, 115 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: speaking to Steve he and doctor Randy Williams have a 116 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: new book out. It's called The Meat Eater American History. 117 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: The Mountain Men it just launched. Go download that sucker 118 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and think of simpler times. Times so simple you didn't 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: even have to live past thirty. Downloadable wherever audio books 120 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: are sold. Moving on to the grip and grin desk. 121 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: A middle schooler in Ihio found himself in the middle 122 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: of a mass shooting investigation after he posted a picture 123 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: on social media of himself holding a gun That might 124 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: make some sense, except the gun was a shotgun and 125 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: the image included the boy's grandfather and the caption We're 126 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: going hunting tomorrow. Dylan Springer lives in Hamilton County, Ohio, 127 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and he told local media that he shares hunting photos 128 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: on Snapchat all the time, but this time someone reported 129 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: the image to the police. Officials called his mom and 130 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: told her that Dylan was going to be put on 131 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: emergency removal because of a school shooter threat. Less than 132 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: five minutes later, Dylan's mother heard a loud knocking on 133 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: her door. When she answered, she saw five Sheriff's deputies 134 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: standing on her doorstep with several others in her yard. 135 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: It didn't take long for them to figure out what 136 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: was going on, but Dylan and his parents think the 137 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: officials overreacted. Dylan is wearing ear pro in the offending photo. 138 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: His grandfather is wearing a reflective vest and a hunter's 139 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: orange hat. But the school district isn't apologizing, They said 140 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: in a statement, quote Forest Hill School District will always 141 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: err on the side of caution and look into concerns 142 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: like this fully. In today's day and age, we simply 143 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: cannot take any chances. Local law enforcement quickly determined there 144 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: was no imminent risk to school safety and no student 145 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: involved missed any time at school. Seems like maybe a 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: phone call would have been appropriate. I know some young 147 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: people listen to my show, and I know many of 148 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: you are parents of school age kids. Do you post 149 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: hunting photos of yourself that include firearms? If you did 150 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: and the police showed up, would you be upset or 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: would you understand given the danger of school shootings? Uh, 152 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: you know there's some crazy times out there for sure. 153 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: Let me know what you think. Right in to ask 154 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: c al. That's ascalt themeeater dot Com. Moving on to 155 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: the crime desk. We have to report this one because 156 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: the guy's famous. Donald Trump Junior made the news last 157 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: week after he was accused of killing a rare duck 158 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: in Italy without a hunting license or the appropriate license, 159 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: or some sort of thing like that. The accusation was 160 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: made by Italian politician Andrea Zanoni, who has a history 161 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: of advocating against hunters. Zenoni said on Facebook that Don 162 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 1: Junior killed a ruddy shell duck, a species of waterfowl 163 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: common in Asia but rare in Europe. Sononi claims that 164 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: it's illegal to kill a reddy shell duck in Italy, 165 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: and he also says it's illegal for non residents like 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: Don Junior to hunt at all. What's true and what's 167 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: not remains unclear. The DTJ was hunting in Italy while 168 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: filming for his outdoor brand Field Ethos. The kerfluffle began 169 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: when Field the Ethos posted a one minute teaser for 170 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: that film that shows Don Junior holding the ruddy shell duck. 171 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: They've since removed the video, but they claimed that DTJ 172 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the one who shot the bird. They also say 173 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: that they were hunting on private land and had all 174 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: the appropriate paperwork and licenses. I also saw some comments 175 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: from some other Italian politicians saying we love the fact 176 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: that he's hunting here. Speaking of foul crimes, A group 177 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: of waterfowl hunters in Texas are facing fines and citations 178 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: after they took three times the legal limit of ducks. 179 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: This would be a real duck hunting crime. January twenty 180 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: five was the final day of duck season in Hamilton 181 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: and Boss Counties, and game wardens heard several volleys of 182 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: shots coming from a private pond. When they reached the 183 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: group of hunters, they immediately began to be suspicious. The 184 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: first fellow they talked to was exiting an equipment shed, 185 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: and according to Texas Game Wardens Facebook post, he seemed 186 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: evasive and was urgently texting, not a good sign. Ordons 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: found three other hunters packing up a nearby duck blind, 188 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: and they offered conflicting details about their group size. First, 189 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: they claimed they had eight members of their hunting party, 190 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: then seven, but none could name the hunter who had 191 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: supposedly left. I imagined they were trying, and it turned 192 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: out failing to figure out how many hunters they would 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: need to justify the number of ducks they'd killed. As 194 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: one warden interviewed the hunters, the others went to inspect 195 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: pilot ducks on the opposite bank. As he was checking 196 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the ducks, the Warden discovered a fourth hunter behind the dam, 197 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: dressed in camouflage with the stringer of ducks he was 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: attempting to hide. You can imagine where things went from there. 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: Ordens soon discovered that the group of hunters had killed 200 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: fifty four ducks in total. Only three of the five 201 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: had licenses to hunt, which meant that they exceeded their 202 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: daily six duck per person bag limit by a multiple 203 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: of three. They also used illegal lead shot, which is redundant. 204 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: All lead shot is illegal for migratory birds, which they 205 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: said they had left over from dove season. Yes, dove 206 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: season would be your exception. When asked why they had 207 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: killed so many ducks, they said that they were seeing 208 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: more ducks that morning than they had seen all season, 209 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: and they just couldn't help themselves. Multiple citations were issued 210 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: and the group was slapped with over seven thousand dollars 211 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: in fines. The silver lining here is that the duck 212 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: meat was saved and donated to needy families in Hamilton 213 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: and Boss Counties. Four teenagers in Chicago were cited last 214 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: month for shooting a coyote with a bow and then 215 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: stomping it to death. The Chicago Police Department says that 216 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: the incident occurred on the afternoon of January eleventh, next 217 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: to some railroad tracks in a suburb about sixteen miles 218 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: south of downtown. The boys were all between ages sixteen 219 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: and seventeen, and police haven't said what they believe their 220 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: motive was, but neighbors told local media that the act 221 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: appeared to be senseless and one of the teens apologized 222 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: after being confronted. Police launched an investigation, and as for 223 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: our usual arrangement with teenagers, they found video evidence of 224 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: the crime. It's not real unless it's posted to snapchat am, 225 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: all right. The fourteens were charged with unlawfully hunting without supervision, 226 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: unlawful hunting on land without owners permission, unlawful hunting within 227 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: one hundred yards of a home, and unlawful abandonment of 228 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: a wildlife carcass. A few kids want to write in 229 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: we can hook up sometime and I'll show you how 230 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: to cook that thing. You'll never abandon a carcass again. 231 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: Moving on to the legislative desk, the Great Experiment might 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: be coming to an end. Not an American democracy or 233 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: the rule of the people, but Pennsylvania's opening day of 234 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: dear season twenty nineteen, the PA Game Commission moved the 235 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: opening day of rifle season from the Monday after Thanksgiving 236 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: to the Saturday of that weekend. They thought it would 237 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: help boost license sales if new or aspiring hunters could 238 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: purchase a license and then immediately have a day off 239 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: time go hunting. They had data that suggested a majority 240 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania hunters would support the move, but the backlash 241 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: was swift and severe. Hunters tend to be a traditional bunch, 242 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: and many didn't appreciate the change. I heard from some 243 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: of you that the Saturday after Thanksgiving is for being 244 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: with your family, watching football, and supporting local businesses. Not 245 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: everyone hated the move, but the loudest bunch of folks 246 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: were definitely against it. Now they have a chance to 247 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: change things. Rep. Brian Smith introduced a bill he described 248 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: as a return to tradition that would move the opening 249 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: day of rifle deer season back to the Monday after Thanksgiving. 250 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: The bill numbers HB seven to zero in the House, 251 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: and a companion bill will also be introduced in the Senate. 252 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: You better be on top of this, PA hunters. If 253 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you love this, you better get in touch with your Rep. 254 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: If you don't, you better get in touch with your rep. 255 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: In Oregon, the state legislature is considering a bill that 256 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: would let each county decide whether or not to allow 257 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: hound hunting for cougars. Current law bans hound hunting for 258 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: cougars across the state, but Senate Bill seven sixty nine 259 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: would let counties pass a measure that exempts hunters in 260 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: that county from the band. That measure would only pass 261 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: if a majority of county residents support it. It's unclear 262 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: how the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife would manage 263 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: this kind of patchwork system, and I also wonder whether 264 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: it would end up pushing cougars into more populated counties 265 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: that still ban hound hunting. But maybe that's a feature 266 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: rather than a bug. And it's also good to see 267 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: a chance to expand hunting rights rather than take them away. 268 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Important to note here that current law that bans hound 269 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: hunting in Oregon was a result of ballot box biology. 270 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: This wasn't a scientific study that was peer reviewed that 271 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: said hound hunting was damaging the mountainlon population, right. This 272 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: was just a bunch of folks who decided to win 273 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: in a way that didn't support hunting, so I'd like 274 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: to see this one go through. The Utah state legislature 275 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: is considering a bill that would make it easier for 276 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: landowners to deny access to public rivers and streams that 277 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: run through their property. If you've ever fished rivers like 278 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: the Provo in Utah, you got to be thinking it's 279 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: already really easy for landowners. Does it need to be 280 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: more easy? And would more easy just mean no fishing 281 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: for the public. Like many other states, Utah allows public 282 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: access on waterways that are navigable. Problem is, no one 283 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: in Utah is willing to define navigable and say where 284 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: navigable is and is not. The courts haven't weighed in 285 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: in any meaningful way. Current law defines navigable as a 286 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: waterway that, in its natural state is useful for commerce 287 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: or as a public highway for transportation. House Bill three 288 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: eighty six would redefine navigable to mean a waterway that 289 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: quote at the time of statehood, was useful for trade 290 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: and travel in the water core us ordinary and natural condition, 291 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: and as established on a segment by segment basis. Utah 292 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: became a state in eighteen ninety six, So if this 293 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: bill passes. Any river or stream that didn't exist that 294 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: year or wasn't useful for trade would no longer be 295 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: accessible by the public. Navigability would also have to be 296 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: established on a segment by segment basis, rather than for 297 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: an entire river or stream. But that's not all this 298 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: bill does. It also shifts the burden of proof on 299 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: the person claiming public access. A landowner can deny a 300 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: public access to a navigable waterway through his property, but 301 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: it's no longer his responsibility to prove that he's allowed 302 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: to do this. This law would assume, in other words, 303 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: that landowners can deny access. It would be up to 304 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: the public land user to prove by clear and convincing 305 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: evidence that the river or stream is navigable. Instead of 306 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: just saying clear and convincing evidence, it should also say 307 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of money. I've been told 308 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: that house built three eighty six is being pushed by 309 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: a private property owner who wants to deny access to 310 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: a historically public stream that would probably be deemed navigable 311 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: under the current definition. If you like to fish in Utah, 312 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: or just like to fish anywhere, get on the horn 313 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: with your state rep. And tell them that you think 314 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: HB three eighty six is not for the good of 315 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: the public. Lastly, I have a quick update about Indiana 316 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: House Bill sixteen nineteen. If you recall, that's the bill 317 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: that would have allowed hunters to sell venison to the 318 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: general public. We reached out to the author of the bill, Rep. 319 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: Shane Lindauer, to ask why he's pushing for this policy. 320 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: He explained that he introduced the bill at the behest 321 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: of two of his constituents, but that he wasn't as 322 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: well informed on the issue as he should have been. 323 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: After listening to feedback from his constituency as well as 324 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: hunting groups, he's decided not to move forward with the bill. 325 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: He says he might revisit the issue in the future, 326 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: but as of now, this bill isn't going anywhere. Move 327 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: on to the public land desk. A few of you 328 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: rode in to tell me about an Oregon county trying 329 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: to take over the federal land within its borders. If 330 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: they're successful, it could serve as a blueprint for other 331 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: local governments who want to privatize public land or earn 332 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: revenue from our federal public lands. The commissioners of Curry 333 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: County Oregon are considering a proposal that would declare a 334 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: state of emergency in the county and allow the Commission 335 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: to take over management of federal forests within its borders. 336 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: The commissioners argue that the Feds have done a bad 337 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: job managing the forest to prevent wildfires, and that this 338 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: is necessary to protect the county's residents. There may be 339 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: some truth to that, but that's not the only reason 340 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: the Commission wants to take over management of the six 341 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres of Forest Service land in the county. 342 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: A resident of Curry County rode in and told me 343 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: that he attended one of the commission meetings. He said 344 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: that while wildfire prevention was discussed, the commissioners quickly turned 345 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: to how much better there was for the poor county 346 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: in potential timber sales and mining opportunities. The proclamation itself 347 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: also says that quote multiple use management, timber sales, mineral utilization, 348 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: and livestock raising have been curtailed to the point of 349 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: causing greatly diminished health on our forests. I don't know 350 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: how curtailing mineral utilization could diminish a forest health, but 351 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: that's the argument. This obviously isn't just about wildfire mitigation. 352 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: But even if it was, how can a county declare 353 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: control over federal public land? Here's where things get potentially 354 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: more consequential. The proclamation in Oregon was written in consultation 355 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: with a fella from Arizona named and I swear I'm 356 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: not making this up Doyle Shamley. If you need help 357 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: spelling that, it's sham l e Y. Shamley pulled a 358 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: similar stunt down in Arizona, and he runs an outfit 359 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: called Countystrong dot org. Mister Shamley ran for Congress in 360 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: Arizona in twenty twenty, but he had to drop out 361 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: after he claimed one of his volunteers forged several pages 362 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: of signatures. Shamley's current endeavor is to travel the country 363 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: convincing county officials that the tenth Amendment of the Constitution 364 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: gives them the right to simply take control of federal land. 365 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: There's more to the argument, but Shamley's website appears to 366 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: make it intentionally unclear. It's filled with random historical documents, 367 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: clips from what when he testified before Congress in twenty twelve, 368 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: and even an animated video of monkeys in a cage 369 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: titled this is how Society has been brainwashed. This county 370 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: Strong might not go anywhere, but right now there's a 371 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: huge push by some Western states to take control of 372 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: federally managed public lands on the off chance that there's 373 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: more to Shamley's legal case than meets the eye. It's 374 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: important that we know about all the threats to our 375 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: public lands and fight against them whenever we find them. 376 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: For example, in Wyoming, the state Senate at first rejected, 377 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: but then passed a resolution that would demand the transfer 378 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: of all federal public land to the state except Yellowstone 379 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: National Park. On February sixth, the Senate voted down Senate 380 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Joint Resolution two, which would supposedly force the federal government 381 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: to dispose of thirty million acres of public land. Then, 382 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: in a pretty shocking reversal, the Senate voted sixteen to 383 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: fifteen to reconsider the resolution. When they voted again, Senator 384 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Ogden Driscoll of Devil's Tower flipped his vote and the 385 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: resolution passed sixteen to fifteen. The resolution now heads to 386 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: the House, where a majority of representatives will have to 387 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: vote in favor before it passes. Even if it does, 388 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: a resolution passed by a state legislature can't force the 389 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: federal government to do anything, and even if the Trump 390 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: administration were to agree to this, they'd have to win 391 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: their case in court. Still, this is obviously a huge 392 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: step in the wrong direction, and Wyoming public land users 393 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: should do their best to kill this resolution in the 394 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: House before we have to find out where this proposal 395 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: would end up. Moving on to the mail bag, a 396 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: few weeks ago I talked about some of the benefits 397 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: of turning your minivan into a hunting vehicle. Several of 398 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: you wrote in to express your enthusiastic agreement. Listener Jonas 399 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: Landwer told me that he and his family have been 400 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: on this bandwagon for years. He said in an email quote, 401 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: our two thousand and eight Honda Odyssey was able to 402 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: fit a two person kayak inside sideways between the seats, 403 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: all our fishing gear, plus a canoe on top, and 404 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: fit all five family members as well. You try to 405 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: find a truck that can fit all that. Not to mention, 406 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: it could pull our skiff all over and never had 407 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: a problem getting it in and out of the launch, 408 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: even at launches that are notorious for vehicle dunking in Miami. 409 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: Sure there are places you need more clearance to go, 410 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: but I've used a minivan on outdoor adventures from South Florida, 411 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: through the Midwest and out to Arizona, and if you've 412 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: got a group of more than two people, it's really 413 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: hard to beat. Thanks for the feedback, joe Us. If 414 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: you got yourself an unusual hunting rig, send me a 415 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: note and a picture at a s k C A L. 416 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: That's an ascal at the meteater dot com. Trucks are expensive, 417 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: inflation is real, and I think we could all use 418 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: some advice for how to think outside the box. That's 419 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: all I got for you. Thanks again, and I'll talk 420 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: to you next week.