1 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Gaffney, the program 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. Well, we are going 5 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: to be talking about some very well troubling developments that 6 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: I think are not really in the interest of well, 7 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: the Kingdom for sure, and arguably Western civilization more generally. 8 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them with one of our favorite. 9 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: Guests before we do a little context to set up 10 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: the first part of this conversation, President Trump told Time 11 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: magazine that he will soon decide whether to press Israel 12 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: to release Marwan Barguti from prison. Doing so as being 13 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: portrayed as a step towards an alternative to Hamas and 14 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: consistent with our interests and efforts to promote peace in 15 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: Gaza and regionally. In fact, unleashing Barguti, a jihadis serving 16 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: multiple life sentences for his involvement in the murder of 17 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: five Israelis, would add immeasurably to the narrative that those 18 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: who are like him, committed to the destruction of Israel 19 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: have won. The truth telling briefing by our victory coalition 20 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: and partners in Israel. Israel three sixty five Action featured 21 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: American and Israeli experts yesterday who warned of the already 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: great dangers for both our countries of reinforcing that perception 23 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: Sharia supremacists, notably the leaders of so called Allies cut 24 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Her and Turkey, will simply intensify their double game of 25 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: using the President's two twenty points to deal with to 26 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: pursue rather that what is in fact a truly endless 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: war against Western civilization. Well, those are my views on 28 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: the subject. I hope you will check out my feed 29 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: at x at Frank Gaffney for more, as well as 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: also our website at the Institute for the American Future 31 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: that would be Usfuture dot org for more of what 32 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: we are thinking and trying to do about these myriad 33 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: challenges to our country and to you and your loved ones. 34 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: We're going to turn, though, before we get any further 35 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: afield to our friend Sam Faddis. Sam is, of course, 36 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: the former Central Intelligence Agency undercover operative some twenty years 37 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: in the field, including towards the end of his distinguished career. 38 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: Some time I'm in from the cold. As they say, 39 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: in the business at Langley, headquarters of the CIA, where 40 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: he was responsible for the challenge of weapons of mass 41 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: destruction terrorism. I'm going to be talking to him about 42 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: this in a very specific near term threat context, but 43 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: before we do, Sam, I did want to invite you 44 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 2: to comment on what I've just laid out here and 45 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: more generally, how it's going with this idea of oh, 46 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, disarming Hamas, removing it from power, and otherwise, 47 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: you know, clearing the decks for conceivably a different kind 48 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: of regime in Gaza and maybe peace in the region. 49 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: More generally, your thoughts are, well. 50 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a terrible idea to release Marwan. 51 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: That's that's my take, I mean, and more broadly, I 52 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: think we just we need to focus on this. Look, 53 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: there are a whole bunch of stages to this piece deal. 54 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 3: The first part, which is tricky enough, is the Israelis 55 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: and phases back out of Gaza and food flows in 56 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: and aid flows in, and a number of other you know, 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 3: there's a ceasefire and so forth. Okay, that's all tricky enough, 58 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: and we've seen that a hostages are released, remains are returned, prisoners, 59 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of Palestinians are released from Israeli custody, 60 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: et cetera. Okay, that's bad, that's not bad enough, that's 61 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: tricky enough, and we've already seen that there are issues 62 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: with that hitches, major issues. But honestly that's the easy 63 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: part because at the end of that you have hummas As. 64 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: They already are back in control of Gaza. The Israelis 65 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: backed out a ceasefire, and if you're if you don't 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: really focus here and get lucky, maintain pressure, Hamas has 67 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: taken this thing off the rails at that point, and 68 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: what you're left with is Hamas is back in control 69 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: of Gaza, and we're back to where we were two 70 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: years ago, waiting for the next terrorist attack. And there's 71 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: certainly anybody who's been paying attention at all for many 72 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: years would think, really good chance that a lot of 73 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: folks in Hamas want that to be. How this plays 74 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: so getting over the next hump, which is Hamas disarms, 75 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: turns in its weapons, an international security force goes in, 76 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: and then we end up with some kind of some 77 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: kind of government, and ultimately I think the idea is 78 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: the Palestinian authority takes control that's the real hump in 79 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: the road here. Ask in Hamas to lay down its gun, 80 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: surrender power and basically go quietly into the night. That 81 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: will not happen without a lot of pressure and probably, 82 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: you know, some vigorous action at various points. So I 83 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: think the last thing you want to do right now 84 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: to these guys is signal weak weakness and say we're 85 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: willing to give you anything you ask for. I don't 86 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: think that's that's the play. And I hope the President 87 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: will make that call. 88 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did too, and Sam, I think it'd be 89 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: one thing if you know, we're just sort of talking 90 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 2: in the abstract about probabilities. Hamas couldn't be more clear, 91 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: and this was very evident in our webinar, the briefing 92 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: by the victory coalition that I mentioned in them in 93 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: the commentary, that they're not inclined at all to lay 94 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: down their arms, to give up power to you know, 95 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: have somebody the Palatinian authority or I suppose anybody else 96 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: for that matter, actually telling them what to do and 97 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: running things. So we're kind of on notice that this 98 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: train has I think already left the rails, and it's 99 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: a question of you know, do we keep doubling down? 100 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: And I'm very anxious that that seems to be kind 101 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: of the default mode we're in. So Sam, it brings 102 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: me to the question that I just always prize your 103 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: long experience with folks like Hamas in the field in 104 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: a lot of unsavory places, whether it's Pamas specifically, or 105 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: just the sort of Sharia supremacist of whom they are 106 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: a prominent part, when they look at all this and 107 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: you sort of put your finger on the point, are 108 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: they perceiving weakness? Are they perceiving that they're winning? Are 109 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: they perceiving that if they continue to press on that 110 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: they may get even more rewards and Benny's from doing so. 111 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Look, I think what you can expect is that at 112 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: every juncture they are going to test you and look 113 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: for weakness. There isn't going to be an end to 114 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: that until the whole process is complete, if there is 115 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: such a thing. So you are going to continuously find 116 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: that they're going to push you and test you and 117 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: lie and all of this, and at every juncture when 118 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: that happens, you're going to have to respond forcefully. As 119 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: I've said many times in this program, we used to 120 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: tell junior officers in the field. You're talking to your Islam, 121 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: your Muslim source in the field, and he calls you brother, 122 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: and you all love each other too much. 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: That's great. 124 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: The day he's not more afraid of you than he 125 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: is of everyone else on the planet is the day 126 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: that you will find he has set you up and 127 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: you are dead. So you can't forget that. There's no 128 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: such thing as a handshake deal, and it's all over. 129 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: This will continue, all throughout this process. God, let's hope 130 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: it will continue and the process doesn't completely disagree. 131 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, this, I guess is something that's not only informed 132 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: by hard experience you've had, but also it's the doctrine. 133 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: It's what Sharia commands these jihadists do. They are supposed 134 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: to win, they're not supposed to ever give up. And 135 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: if they feel compelled, as you've talked with me about 136 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: on this program in the past, if they feel compelled 137 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: due to force and other pressures to make some kind 138 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: of agreement, it is a hudnah. It is, you know, 139 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: a lull in the fighting that will be used for 140 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: the purposes of rearming, regrouping, and then getting back in 141 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: the fight as soon as they can do so more successfully. 142 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: Sam Fatis is in the house. We're going to take 143 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: a short break. We'll be right back with much more, 144 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: including what all this means us here at home. We're 145 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: back and so at Sam Faddus, I'm delighted to say 146 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: Charles sam fattis a man of great distinction who has 147 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: served his country both in the uniform of the United 148 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: States Army as well as without a uniform, and the 149 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: ranks of the Clandestine Service of the Central Intelligence Agency. 150 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: He has also been an Assistant Attorney General Washington State. 151 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: He's the author of numerous books of fiction and nonfiction, 152 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: including one of my personal favorites, Beyond Repair, The Decline 153 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: and Fall of the Central Intelligence Agency. Sam is also 154 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: the driving force behind a terrific online resource that would 155 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: be called and Magazine. You can find it at Dmagazine 156 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: dot sub stack. I hope you'll subscribe. Sam. Let me 157 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: start this block by asking you to talk about, again, 158 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: if you would, a subject that I feel constrained to 159 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: keep raising the alarm at every turn that we can, namely, 160 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: the distinct possibility that if the people of New York 161 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: elect Mamdani Zoron Mamdani to become their next mayor there 162 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: could be a huge consequences, national security consequences back perhaps 163 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: terrible devastation visited upon the city of New York and 164 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: perhaps other parts of this country as well. Walk us 165 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: through why that concern is in your estimation, professional judgment, 166 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: and experience well found. 167 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: Well, look, when I look at the folks that are 168 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 3: supporting momd I feel like most of them, certainly the 169 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: white liberals that are supporting him, just sort of think 170 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: he I don't know, he's sort of he's cool, he's hip, 171 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: he's a new guy. He doesn't look like stereotypical politician. 172 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: Isn't this neat to support mom Donnie? This somehow means 173 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: I'm progressive. So let's not actually talk about who the 174 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: heck this guy is and who he associates with. I mean, 175 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: he's a Shia twelver, all right. You know we've talked 176 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: about that before. But basically, these are the folks who 177 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: believe that the Mahdi is coming, the fifteen hundred year 178 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: old Imam. There will be armageddon apocalypse, right, you know, 179 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: as Bill Murray would say the worst parts of the Bible. 180 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm saying that tongue in chic, but I 181 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: just mean to say, that's literally literally that concept they 182 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: have there will be armageddon, fire brimstone, and they emerge victorious, 183 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: and that is imminent, not one of these days, not 184 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: a thousand, and it is really their task to bring 185 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: that on. It is to bring which is why obviously 186 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: the Iranians who are twelve vers, why it's so dangerous 187 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: this concept of nuclear war. You think nobody would use 188 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon. Well, if you think the only way 189 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: that it is actually your job to do that, your 190 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: duty to do that, to create this holocaust. Yeah, and 191 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: you certainly would do that. And then this guy is 192 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: a member. 193 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: Of that sect. 194 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: More broadly, he associates with a whole wide range of 195 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: really radical Islamic preachers, and he himself has made all 196 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: kinds of statements which are really radical Islamic as in, 197 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: it's our job to take over this society, transform this society, 198 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: do all of this kind of stuff. So now you're 199 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: going to turn out this guy will be the head 200 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: of New York City, in charge of New York City 201 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: and therefore the largest city in the country, the poor, 202 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: at the airports, everything else. That guy will be responsible 203 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: for the security of all of that. Now, if that 204 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: doesn't terrify you, I don't know what will. So it 205 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: is a massive national security issue. And again it kind 206 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: of boggles my mind that largely the press, even on 207 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: all sides, doesn't talk about it at all. 208 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this needs to be remedied immediately, and we hope 209 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: to be helping bring that about your comments and inside, Sam, 210 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: we're tremendously appreciated. Returned to another battle front, if I 211 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: can call it that, I guess it seems increasingly apt. Venezuela, 212 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: we have now I believe, at last count nine go 213 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: fast boats that have been blown up by the United 214 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: States military. We're told trafficking drugs. The President says, every 215 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: single one of those boats will result in twenty five 216 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: thousand Americans dying if they're not intercepted. And of course 217 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: then there's the problem that if they all stop moving 218 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: the drugs that way, is it going to be the 219 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: case they'll come in by land or by air or 220 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: what other means? Give us your sit rep on this, 221 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: if you would send your situation report. 222 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, people need to understand that there's no 223 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: question in Venezuela effectively declared war on US years ago. 224 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: It's not just that they are involved in this its 225 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: industrial scale pumping drugs into our country. But we know 226 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: that they have they are completely aware of the impact 227 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: of the drugs on the United States, and that that is, 228 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: it's not just about making money. We know as fact 229 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: that they explicitly view this as a way to harm us, 230 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: to wage war against us. So and I think the 231 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: brilliance of the President's approach, and you see this in 232 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: a lot of ways. He sort of walks into a 233 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: room and everybody's mired in the details of how to 234 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: execute something, and he says, in effect, why are we 235 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: doing it that way? Why are we waiting till the 236 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: drugs are on the streets of the United States and 237 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: then spending all our time and money trying to catch 238 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: him in small quantities. If we know where they're coming from, 239 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: and we know sort of where the major arteries are, 240 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: why don't we take out those arteries and cut this 241 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: thing off at the source, which is what he's doing 242 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: really affective. There is of course another dimension to this, 243 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: which is Columbia. Because Columbia, that was once a very 244 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: staunch ally of ours in this fight, is now under 245 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: the control of a leftist former guerrilla president, and who 246 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: I mean, cocaine production has exploded since he got into office, 247 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 3: and he's now actively calling for the Colombians to cooperate 248 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: the military to cooperate with Venezuela. Now, the event Colombian 249 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: military said pretty loudly immediately, no way in hell we're 250 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: doing that. We're not working with those guys. But that 251 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: will show you how bad it is that you've got 252 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: the president of Colombia wants a reliable ally now saying 253 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: he's going to make common cause with Madura, and of 254 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 3: course telling us ridiculous things like everybody we blow up 255 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: in one of these boats is just an old fisherman 256 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: trying to feed his family who happens to own that 257 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: happens to own this thirty five foot boat with you know, 258 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: incredible horsepower and happens to be doing sixty knots across 259 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: the Caribbean Sea. I don't know what kind of fishing 260 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: is involved with that, but you know, that kind of 261 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: nonsense of being trodden out. 262 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: So Sam, it's been said that what we're dealing with 263 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: really in Venezuela is not just the very hostile government 264 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: that you know, as you say, is effectively waging war 265 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: against us using drugs among other means, you're also interested 266 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: in their contribution to election fraud, I think sure as well. 267 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: But this is apparently more or less a drug cartel 268 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: that runs the country. Maduro is of course the guy 269 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: the top of that food chain. But would you agree 270 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: with that characterization that this is just really a narco 271 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: state full stop? 272 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's exactly the expression I was going to use. Yes, 273 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: it's a narco state, That's exactly what it is. And 274 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: then you know, we can add on all the other 275 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: horrified I mean, we're approaching halloweens, so let's throw in 276 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: all the other ghouls here, the Chinese, the Iranians, the 277 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: fact that actually Maduro is kept in power largely by 278 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: Cuban intelligence and Cuban special forces. I mean, every bad 279 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: guy on the planet, you know, the Iranian coods force, 280 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: they're all there. I mean, this is a real nest 281 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: of vipers, And yes it is. Of course, wonstration did 282 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: nothing about it. 283 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: Purpose, which is wage of war against us, isn't it. 284 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: Absolutely that's exactly the way they look at this. This 285 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: is not just about some guys getting rich, although obviously 286 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: they are. This is about an attack on the United States, 287 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: and it's been ongoing for a long time and we 288 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: just haven't done anything about it. 289 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, this president is trying to do something about it. 290 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: I commend him for it, and it is, as you say, Sam, 291 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: long overdue. I hope it will be pursued successfully because 292 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: this is a war we can't afford to lose with 293 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: any of those characters. Let's just say, Sam, we have 294 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: to leave it at that. I appreciate it. As always 295 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: our visits. We're on the road, as obvious I think 296 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: to all of our listeners, but you're with us wherever 297 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: we go, and we're deeply grateful for that fact. Keep 298 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: up with the great work, my friend at endmagazine dot 299 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: subseac dot com. Come back to us next week. We'll 300 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: be right back with the rest of you right after 301 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: this welcome back. It's a delight as always to be 302 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: able to tee up one of my favorite segments of 303 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: this program each week, and that is the one I 304 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: get to co host with my friend and colleague, Dide Logison, 305 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: the president of Save the Persecuted Christians, an incredibly important organization. 306 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm proud to be on its board and to support 307 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: in any way we can the work of trying to 308 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: do just that, and we're going to talk about a 309 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: place in the world where it's a full time job, 310 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: needlessly Diddy, welcome back. It's good to have you with us. 311 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: And we've got a special guest to talk about this 312 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: particularly vexing problem in Nigeria. 313 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: Thank you, Frank. Always good to be here with you today. 314 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: We're going to talk again about Nigeria, the genocide of 315 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: Christians happening in Nigeria that Senator Ted Cruz is looking 316 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: to counter with his bill calling for the Country of 317 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 4: Particular Concern designation by the State Department, which is supposed 318 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 4: to come very soon. Bill Maher also has been speaking 319 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 4: about this. You've seen it all over the news, and 320 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: now you have legions of Nigerian paid for lobbyists coming 321 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: to Washington, d c. And to London to counter these 322 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: claims of a Christian genocide. You've had the Vatican Secretary 323 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 4: of State Pietro Paralin and Masad Bulus who is the 324 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 4: senior advice to President Trump and Africa, and the US 325 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 4: Ambassador to Nigeria, Richard Mills, all claiming that this is 326 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 4: not a genocide, that more Muslims are killed, and that 327 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 4: this is just sectarian violence. So we have for you 328 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 4: today Doug Burton, who is the editor at Truth Nigeria 329 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 4: dot com. It's a US based media publication with on 330 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 4: the ground reporters in Nigeria. Very brave, brave reporters bringing 331 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: us the truth. Doug, give us your update on Nigeria. 332 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: We hear that there was an alleged coup that was 333 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: put down. What's going on in Nigeria? 334 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 5: Thanks d d Thanks Frank again, It's an honor to 335 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 5: be with you. Nigeria is a fast moving situation that 336 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 5: it's the biggest country in Africa in terms of population 337 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: and it has the biggest civil war, very complex civil 338 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 5: conflict that involves multiple insurgencies and tens of thousands of 339 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 5: jihadist bandits who are attacking Christian villages all across the 340 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 5: North and Middle belt of the country. Now, in this situation, 341 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 5: which has been going on for more than a decade, 342 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 5: the nation has faced many crises and one is a 343 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 5: very peculiar one. It was reported on October fourth that 344 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 5: there had been sixteen military officers, some at the rank 345 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 5: of brigadiar general. Most of them were lieutenant colonels or below. 346 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: And these officers are Muslims from the North who were 347 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 5: believed to have been plotting a coup to be carried 348 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 5: out on October the first, or possibly on October twenty fifth, 349 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 5: a coup to overthrow President of Nigeria, Bola Akhmed Tenebu. 350 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 5: These officers, the sixteen officers, are being held in communicado 351 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: in a detention center in a Bouja. The government has 352 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 5: suppressed the story about a coup and claims that it 353 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 5: was not a coup, that in fact, these officers are 354 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 5: being punished or reprimanded for disorderly contact or lodging grievances 355 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 5: about failure, their failures to be promoted in the promotion system. 356 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 5: So there is a lot of controversy, a lot of 357 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 5: speculation behind the scenes as to whether the coup was 358 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 5: actually a real coup, coup or was it a eploy 359 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: or was it a psychological operation. Since these officers have 360 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 5: not been they have been identified for US, but the 361 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 5: government has apparently repressed reporting about it. The major newspapers 362 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: are not investigating it. They don't investigate topics that the 363 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 5: government doesn't want to be exposed. So we're not exactly 364 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 5: sure where we are on the coup. 365 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: Could you speak to the issue of the role that 366 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: the government of Nigeria, the president presumably continuing government of Nigeria, 367 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: is playing in this persecution of Christians. 368 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 5: It's a very good question, Frank. The President, bol Akhmed 369 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 5: Tanubu is not a man from the North, as was 370 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 5: his predecessor, Muhammadu Buharim. Tanubu lived for many years in Chicago. 371 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 5: He is believed to have been part of a criminal 372 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: organization at that time that was selling narcotics. But amazingly 373 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 5: he was able to go back to Nigeria, where he 374 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: or to London in the mid nineteen nineties. He was 375 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: a leader of the democracy movement and he was considered 376 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 5: a reformer. He became very wealthy as the governor of 377 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 5: Lago State for several years and he has been a 378 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 5: king maker, the person who is responsible for advancing Muhammadu 379 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: Buhari to the top of the All Progressives Congress part 380 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 5: and now he is in charge. He is a Muslim. 381 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 5: He is married to a Pentecostal lady who's a minister 382 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 5: in the Redeemed Christian Church of God. It's a very 383 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: unusual combination in leadership. His vice president is also Muslim 384 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: and it comes from the northeastern part of the country. 385 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 5: Borno is believed to have been an advisor to the 386 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 5: Bokohoram insurgency when he was a governor. So he's a 387 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 5: very controversial character and his role is in the future 388 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 5: is shrouded with speculation. 389 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 4: So we think the government is complicit in this, in 390 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: what's happening to the Christians. The government. 391 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 5: We are confident that the government has been complicit for 392 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: many years. So what Nigeria is doing, what the government does, 393 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 5: we believe is a dual role. It administers the army 394 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 5: and it appears to be suppressing terrorism and the insurgencies. 395 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: It has made dozens or hundreds of bombing attacks on 396 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 5: bandit gangs in the northwestern states, but at the same 397 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 5: time it has completely neglected law enforcement in the Christian 398 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: majority states of Plateau, Taraba and Benuey State, where there 399 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 5: is a terrible series of the ethnic cleansings murders. We 400 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 5: covered the horrific massacre in Yellawata on June thirteenth and fourteenth, 401 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 5: when two hundred and fifty eight men, women and children, 402 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 5: completely unarmed and defenseless, were murdered, some burned to death 403 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 5: in their homes in downtown Yelawata. The government the army 404 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 5: did not come to rescue them although they had plenty 405 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 5: of time. It was a four hour attack. This government 406 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 5: does appear to be playing two roles. It is complicit. 407 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 5: We believe the government itself, people in the administration, in 408 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 5: the cabinet level and in the Nigerian Senate are actually 409 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 5: financiers and are borders of the terrorism. This is all 410 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 5: covered up. Nigerian media does not do investigative journalism, Truth 411 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 5: Nigeria and some other paper Sahara reporters have the burden 412 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 5: of exposing the involvement of this government and criminality. 413 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I cannot thank you enough and certainly endorse what 414 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: DiDia said about the vital role that you play with 415 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: your team and Truth Nigeria and the courage of those 416 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: folks on the ground just putting their lives at risk 417 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: every single day to make sure that the truth about 418 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 2: what's happening in Nigeria is out. And DiDia, I just 419 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about how 420 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: your organization Save the Persecuted Christians has been trying to 421 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: hold accountable this government and that of Bohari before it 422 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: and expose to hopefully the government of the United States 423 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: that this is not just sectarian violence, This is not 424 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: farmers versus herdsman, this is jihad. And to be told 425 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: that there's possibly going to be a designation as a 426 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: country of particular concern seems like the bare minimum that 427 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: should be done here? Is that, in fact, in prospect, 428 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: at the mere minimum? And what more needs to be 429 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: done and what can we do to help? 430 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: Well, you've got two counts going on here, Frank, You've 431 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 4: got a charge of genocide going on which is very 432 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: very hard to prove. Is their intent for what is 433 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: happening to the Christians in Nigeria? And one could say, 434 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: you can point to the government and its lack of response, 435 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: lack of arrest, lack of prosecution, and the reality that 436 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: there are hostage camps near military installations that have not 437 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 4: been cleared. The hostage is not rescued, the village is 438 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: not being taken back there occupied by the terrorists renamed 439 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 4: over three hundred of them since two thousand and nine. 440 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 4: And so Save the Persecuted Christians is pulling together a 441 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 4: large coalition of leaders who are concerned about what's happening 442 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: in Nigeria. We just this week, had a big phone 443 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 4: call Doctor Albeta. King is very concerned about what's happening 444 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: and has engaged with us and would very much like 445 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 4: to go to Nigeria. We are bringing the voices of 446 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: the victims to the United States where they can speak 447 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 4: to members of Congress and the administration and share their stories. 448 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: And Doug Burton and his organization with Truth Nigeria grew 449 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 4: up out of our coalition strategizing for Save the Persecuted 450 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: Christians and it is sponsored by Equipping the Persecuted another 451 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: coalition member, it saved the persecuted Christians. So we really 452 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: believe that we have to pull all these voices together 453 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 4: to unite to stand against these legions of lobbyists for 454 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: Nigeria that pushed that farmer herder narrative that these are clashes, 455 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: but there Frank, at a rate of five point two percent, 456 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 4: Christians are dying more often than Muslims in Nigeria. Two 457 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 4: point one Christians are killed per Muslim in Nigeria, and 458 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: so what these government officials and others are saying is 459 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 4: just meant to obfuscape and they're hand in hand working 460 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: with the lobbyists from Nigeria. So we're trying to break 461 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 4: that with our coalition. 462 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: I cannot thank you enough for the work you're doing, 463 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: as well as the support that you're giving to Judd 464 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: Saul and his help to the people on the ground, 465 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: as well as of course Doug Burtons. This is a 466 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: team effort and it's vitally important, and I believe in 467 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: my core that President Trump could make all the difference 468 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: if he actually holds lives in government in Nigeria accountable 469 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: for the horrors that are being inflicted on the Christians there. 470 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: Thank you both for coming aboard for an update. I'll 471 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: come back to us again very soon. Help the rest 472 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: of you all stick around. We'll be right back with 473 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: more right after this welcome back. And when I get 474 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: to say welcome back to our next guest, I consider 475 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: it a banner day here at Securing America. That would 476 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: be Captain James Finnell, United States Navy retired. He left 477 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: a long and distinguished career as one of the most thoughtful, 478 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: I think, and most well. Perspicacious is the fancy word 479 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: for it, but just old fashioned correct. Analyst of the 480 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party and its intentions, particularly in the military sphere, 481 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: but more generally as well in his role as the 482 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: chief of Intelligence and Information Operations for the US Pacific Fleet. 483 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: He made us mark and putting out I think that 484 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: Clarion called a decade or more ago. We are also 485 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: very pleased that he is the co author, with doctor 486 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: Bradley Thayer, of an incredibly important book about embracing Communist China, 487 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: America's greatest strategic failure. Delighted to have him as one 488 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: of our faithful regulars here as well as a Committee 489 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: on the Present Danger China member, and in that role 490 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: in particular as a contributor to its wonderful webinar series. 491 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: I commend to all of you those programs at Present 492 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: Danger China or Captain welcome back on board. It's good 493 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: to have you with us. 494 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 6: Frank, It's great to be with you. Thanks well. 495 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 2: We are doing though the conversation today against the backdrop 496 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: of the conclusion of the so called Fourth Plenty plenty 497 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: him rather the fourth Party PLANEIM of the Chinese Communist 498 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 2: Party in Beijing. You were making book on this. If 499 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, at least in a non pecuniary sense 500 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 2: as to whether it would be demonstrated there that Xijingping 501 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: the Emperor for life of the Chinese Communist Party has 502 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 2: in fact lost power, may even have lost his job. 503 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: You were skeptical about that being the case. I think 504 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: you've been vindicated, would you. 505 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 6: Say so, well, Frank, I think you know what you 506 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 6: bring up is an interest point, which is to say, 507 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 6: in the community of people that watched China, there's been 508 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 6: a growing influence of a few people that I think 509 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 6: are well intentioned, some of them some of them I 510 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 6: can't speak to their intentions, but that they tended to 511 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 6: see the activities in Beijing through a kind of a 512 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 6: wishful lens. And so there was a lot of reporting 513 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 6: about the purges that were announced the week before the 514 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 6: Planum started, the removal of nine nine PLA officers former 515 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 6: and current, the removal of a vice chairman of the 516 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 6: Central Military Commission, which is a big deal, There's no 517 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 6: question about it. Those are big deals. And then the 518 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 6: ongoing disruptions with the PLA over. 519 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: The last year and a half or two years. 520 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 6: With the Rocket Force reports and all this kind of 521 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 6: rumors and rumors upon rumors. You know that you know, 522 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 6: people were being purged out, and people were that were 523 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 6: loyaled as you were being purged out by some general 524 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 6: and that you know, Ji's a stature and the party 525 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: was in question, and there was even people saying that 526 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 6: he was going to be, you know, frog marched out 527 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 6: of the planum like Hu Jintao was out of the 528 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,479 Speaker 6: Party Congress National People's Congress a year ago. So I've 529 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 6: been very skeptical of that. I know that, you know, 530 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 6: in our Cold War, we followed the Soviet Union, there 531 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 6: was a lot of smart people that looked at chrimnologists, 532 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 6: that looked at the Soviet leadership and studied their every movement. 533 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 6: But I'm kind of my background as military, so I 534 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 6: like to look at actions and what I see is 535 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 6: the actions of somebody that's in control, and the trajectory 536 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 6: of activity is on a steady upward expansion expansion, and 537 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 6: the capabilities we just saw it this three September military 538 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 6: parade in Beijing, the Chinese unveil a suite of hypersonic 539 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 6: missiles for ships for their anti ship missile program that 540 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 6: are hypersonics. So China's moved and beyond just hypersonics in 541 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 6: the strategic nuclear sense, they're also trying to develop and 542 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 6: not trying. They're developing hypersonics for conventional warfare. So and 543 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 6: then we see their activities with their carriers, two carriers 544 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 6: that see this summer operating east of the second island chain, 545 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 6: at least one of them, two of them both beyond 546 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 6: the first island chain for the first time ever, operating 547 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 6: near and around Guam and Ewejima. We see the activities 548 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 6: around Taiwan on a daily basis. We see the increased 549 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 6: bullying and use of military, the PLA Navy to actually 550 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 6: get involved with coastguard activities, to try to shut down 551 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 6: the Philippines our ally, to be able to just occupy 552 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 6: what's legitimately theirs in the South China Sea. So what 553 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 6: I see from the Chinese military is continued growth. So 554 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 6: when I hear people say, well, you know, they purse 555 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 6: all these generals and it's going to mean that G's 556 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 6: out of power or the PLA's out of you know, 557 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 6: in shambles, I just don't see it reflected in the 558 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 6: actual military activity. 559 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 2: I see the opposite. 560 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 6: And I think you could say the same thing in 561 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 6: terms of diplomacy in other areas. Maybe their economy is 562 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 6: obviously a bit weaker, but we just saw the Chinese 563 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 6: push back pretty hard against the United States when it 564 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 6: comes to rare earth elements. So I think what we 565 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 6: saw on this Plenum and what's been actually reported now 566 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 6: by the Chinese is that G is you know, his thought. 567 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 6: G's thought for the new eras firmly in plants in place. Again, 568 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 6: he is the core leader. Everybody's supposed to obey and 569 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 6: bow down to the core leader. And well, there's been 570 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 6: some changes at the top. These are not unprecedented. I 571 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 6: watched one of the headlines today say, oh, the largest 572 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 6: and most sweep being purges in decades. You're actually like, well, actually, 573 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 6: they did the same amount of purges and changes in 574 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 6: the in the Plenum membership in twenty seventeen, So that's 575 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 6: not really decade ago, that's just eight years ago. And 576 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 6: so there's a lot of exaggeration. There's a lot of twisting, 577 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 6: and there's a lot of bias in the reporting. Some 578 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 6: of it is on purpose to make China look weak 579 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 6: and makes you look weak so then we don't have 580 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 6: to do anything to stand up to them, and others 581 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 6: of it are just I think people are wishful thinking 582 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 6: and hoping that this problem will go away, and it's 583 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 6: not going to go away. 584 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 2: Jim you and Bradley there I think helpfully contributed to 585 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 2: our understanding of this dynamic by introducing this term threat 586 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 2: deflation and whether it's the wishful thinking or whether it's 587 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 2: frankly a deliberate effort to mislead the rest of us 588 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 2: about the magnitude of the danger that we're facing and 589 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 2: the fact that it is continuing to grow, to take 590 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 2: on it, as you say, additional capabilities, and that it 591 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: is being accompanied by actions that are demonstrably aggressive. Is 592 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 2: all the sort of thing that needs to go into 593 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: a calculation of what they're really up to and capable of. 594 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 2: We're going to get into much more of that on 595 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 2: the other side of this very short break, a hope 596 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 2: you'll stay tuned for more with the co author of 597 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: Embracing Communist China, Captain James Finel, the United States Navy 598 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 2: retired welcome back and a very special welcome once again 599 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: to Captain James Finnell, one of our country's pre eminent 600 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 2: experts on the Chinese military, but also the people who 601 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 2: control it that would, it appears, continue to be Xixingping 602 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: the Emperor, the Chinese Communist emperor. To be sure that 603 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 2: has I think very much made clear he has us 604 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: in his crosshairs. And Jim, you circulated through a Google 605 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 2: group that I'm very pleased to be part of. Earlier 606 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 2: in the day an interesting video by an Australian observer 607 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: who opined that the tipping point, which has been foreseen 608 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: for quite some time, among others by you of the relative, well, 609 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 2: the Chinese have a term for it, the comprehensive national 610 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 2: power of the United States versus communist China has hit 611 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: a tipping point and is now in favor of communist China. 612 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 2: He pointed to the recent thrash over China's announcement that 613 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: it was going to stop exporting just to US, but 614 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: really to the world rare earth minerals. The processed minerals 615 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 2: vital to not only commercial competitiveness, but also military power 616 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: as well. What did you make of this assessment, sir? 617 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 2: Do you think that what's been foreseen for some time 618 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: has now actually eventuated? 619 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, Frank. This was an interview with the Sydney Morning 620 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 6: Herald and The Age by an interviewer named Sellinger Morris 621 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,479 Speaker 6: again with mister Peter Hartcher, and he makes the case 622 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 6: as you describe that what happened with this rare earth 623 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 6: element issue, where China said, we're not going to allow 624 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 6: the export of rare earth elements to any country, not 625 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 6: just America, but any country unless it's for the specific 626 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 6: and explicit use of only commercial issues, and we will 627 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 6: be sole arbiter of that. And President Trump obviously said, 628 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 6: we can't stand for that. Unfortunately, we're in the position 629 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 6: where our military requires it. Our F twenty two's and 630 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 6: our F thirty fives, and our carriers and our nuclear 631 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 6: submarines all rely upon rare earth elements that we predominantly 632 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 6: get from the People's Republic of China. So President Trump said, well, 633 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 6: if you're going to do that, I'm going to slap 634 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 6: on one hundred percent tariff. And it didn't work. China 635 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 6: didn't back down, And so mister Harcher's assessment is that 636 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 6: this was a tipping point moment. He didn't say that 637 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 6: Conference of National Power is a great power has shifted 638 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 6: completely from the United States to China, but his assertion 639 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 6: was that this was a clear signpost of the shift 640 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 6: that's in place. I don't disagree with the thesis that 641 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 6: we should be concerned about the tipping point, and I'm 642 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 6: very concerned that we've been put in this position. The 643 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 6: book that we talked about in the previous segment is 644 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 6: all about why it was called Embracing Communists. China America's 645 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 6: great strategic failure. So it's been a strategic failure that 646 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 6: we've been cozing up to them and put ourselves in 647 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 6: this position of vulnerability. But do I think that we're 648 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 6: done for right now? Not yet, because because of what 649 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 6: she's done. You know, Biden talked as that, mister Harcher said, 650 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 6: Biden talked about these things during his administration, but he 651 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 6: did nothing. Now we're seeing President Trump actually do something. 652 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 6: And the agreement that was signed with Australia this week 653 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 6: now makes it that we will start purchasing rare earth 654 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 6: elements and getting the processing is a problem, but we 655 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 6: will now have a supply from Australia as opposed exclusively 656 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 6: from China, and so I think we're behind the power curve. 657 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,479 Speaker 6: It's going to take at least you know, some people 658 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 6: say eighteen months, but it's going to take two to three, 659 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 6: maybe even five years for us to completely get off 660 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 6: the rare earth element train from China. And we have 661 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 6: the same problems in our pharmaceuticals and other areas so 662 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 6: we have a lot of work to do, and that's 663 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 6: why we keep calling this is a national emergency and 664 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 6: that the United States needs to treat the People's Republic 665 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 6: of China like we treated the Soviet Union during the 666 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 6: Cold War. And if we don't get through our head 667 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 6: that for them, it's they win, we die. If we 668 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 6: don't understand that, we will be in a position where 669 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 6: they will control us and be able to dominate us. 670 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 6: And I think President Trump understands that, and he's trying to, 671 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 6: you know, solidify or make the moves that are required. Now. 672 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 6: Some people are criticizing him for being focused on the 673 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 6: Western hemisphere first, but he has to control the border. 674 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 6: He has to stop the flow of drugs, he has 675 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 6: to stop the flow of things that are coming in 676 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 6: and killing Americans. He has to get our deportees out 677 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 6: people that are illegally here, and he has to get 678 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 6: our manufacturing back. And so he's got multitude of problems 679 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 6: safety in our cities. But he's no question in my 680 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 6: mind that he understands the threat from China. And while 681 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 6: he may say nice things about g that's part of 682 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 6: his understanding of how to bias time and so we 683 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 6: can be critical of his statements, but the fact of 684 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 6: the matter is that he's signed up and said we're 685 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 6: going to get rare earth elements. He reinforced the alliance 686 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 6: with Australia with the Aucus, you know, Australia, UK US 687 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 6: military technology transfers with submarines and other things. He's on 688 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 6: track with those things, and we need to and the 689 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 6: Secretary of War is now tightening the belt in the 690 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 6: in our Department of War so that our sailors and 691 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 6: marines and soldiers and airmen are not going to be 692 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 6: out of standards. They're going to be in war fighting standards. 693 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 6: They're going to be focused on war fighting. We're trying 694 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 6: to rebuild the ship building industry. We got so much 695 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 6: to do. That's why it's a national issue, and I 696 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 6: just wish he would talk about that a bit more. 697 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 2: Well, Jim, we've just got a minute left. This is 698 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 2: a very big question, so we'll come back to you 699 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 2: next week on it. But comprehensive national power as an 700 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 2: estimate of the relative strength of the two nations does 701 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: seem to be swinging in the favor of the Chinese. 702 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 2: Should the United States policy at this point, given that reality, 703 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 2: be anything other than trying to bring down the Chinese 704 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 2: Communist Party, and we, you know, enlist the help of 705 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 2: the Chinese people who have at least as much interest 706 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 2: in that outcome as we do. 707 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 6: Yes, And I think you know in this in this 708 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 6: specific issue, the President's taken hits because they closed down USAID, 709 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 6: they cut down Radio Free America and these other elements, 710 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 6: and people are bemoaning this and saying, oh, this just 711 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 6: means he's not serious. But I believe that Terry Rubio 712 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 6: and others are working to create new institutions will do 713 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 6: just what you said, which is to get in and 714 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 6: help the people of China realize that they can throw 715 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 6: off the yoke of tyranny from the Chinese Communist Party. 716 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 2: I pray that you're right and that they're good about 717 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 2: it right quick. Jim Finel, thank you for joining us 718 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 2: today and every week. Keep up your great work, my friend, 719 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 2: and come back to us soon. If the rest of 720 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 2: you'll do the same next time that until then you'll 721 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 2: go forth and multiply