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Speaker 1: Good to see you, Ryan, It is great to see you.

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Speaker 3: We have a quadruple Bro show here. We've got Jeremy Scahill.

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Speaker 3: He's going to join us in a little bit to

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Speaker 3: break down the Israel Gaza ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: We've got David Dayan in the house.

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Speaker 3: He's going to break down vendor finance dot Com era

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Speaker 3: vendors financing scheme that actually led to the crash and

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Speaker 3: how it's all happening again, and he's actually legitimate expert

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Speaker 3: on it. I'm excited to talk to him. We're going

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Speaker 3: to break down some of the economy news. Very troubling

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Speaker 3: APAC actually very interesting here Seth Moulton previously, how would

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Speaker 3: you describe him, Ryan, He's like a national security He's

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Speaker 3: like a normal debt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, he's to the right of a normal

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Speaker 1: deme even Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 3: And he is declaring I will not take a single

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Speaker 3: dollar from a pack, which just goes to show how

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Speaker 3: much things have changed. The Epstein story, which we ran

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Speaker 3: out of time yesterday because we were interviewing Shoycott Chakrabati.

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Speaker 3: Actually we will break down entirely. There's some new memoir

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Speaker 3: come out from Virginia Gouffrey, as well as a ton

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Speaker 3: of new stories which has not gotten nearly enough attention

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Speaker 3: about Epstein, his connections with the financial billionaires, with some

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Speaker 3: of the new files that were released in the cover

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Speaker 3: of Darkness on a Friday.

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Speaker 1: They always released on Friday after how about that interesting

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Speaker 1: right to do a colmic Politico called fishy Friday. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love that. I mean Friday newsum is a Washington tradition. Really,

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Speaker 1: it really is, and sadly it does kind of work.

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Speaker 1: It really does. Okay, Ukraine, important stuff going on with Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: President Trump now appearingly to reverse course now saying Ukraine

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Speaker 3: does need to accept the piece deal. We're gonna break

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Speaker 3: down everything that's going on there, some fast moving things

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Speaker 3: and a potential summit between a new summit between Trump

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Speaker 3: Ryan and I are going to weigh in on marijuana,

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Speaker 3: all right, so when Crystal is away, the boys will

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Speaker 3: play right. And this is actually it's a landmark case

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Speaker 3: between the United States Supreme Court where they will rule

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Speaker 3: on whether marijuana users should be allowed to own and

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Speaker 3: possess firearms. You should keep in mind that marijuana remains

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Speaker 3: federally illegal and.

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Speaker 1: So technically it is a violation of the law. And

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Speaker 1: so you will all get to.

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Speaker 3: See where I come down on that one, and we

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Speaker 3: can discuss whether marijuana use is in fact addiction and

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Speaker 3: does qualify.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get into this. They're really jamming

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Speaker 1: me up. Yeah, are they going to make me?

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Speaker 3: That's why I yes, you are, and I will I

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Speaker 3: will be arguing for commons send s gun control. Right,

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Speaker 3: Why would you want psychotic addicts to have guns? This

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Speaker 3: is what the left has been begging for, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so let's go ahead and get to Israel. Jeremy Scalehill

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Speaker 3: standing by, Let's get him in here. I'm very excited

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Speaker 3: now to be joined in studio by Jeremy Skalehill. Jeremy,

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Speaker 3: we have a tradition here where we do a pound,

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Speaker 3: so we have a triple pound.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's too much going on? Well, we call it

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Speaker 1: the bro Show, that's what that's what we call. So

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Speaker 1: that's where we're fired up and we are ready to go.

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Speaker 3: All right, So we wanted to go through all of

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Speaker 3: the recent developments with Israel and the ceasefire, the breaking

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Speaker 3: Much of it comes down to, at the current moment,

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Speaker 3: a hard position from the President and his team of no,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what they said, and then

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Speaker 4: You decide to go to Gaza and what did you see?

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Speaker 5: It looked almost like a nuclear bomb had been set

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Speaker 4: Would you say, now having been there, that it was genocide?

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Speaker 4: But are you saying publicly right now that Hamas is

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Speaker 4: acting in good faith seriously looking.

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Speaker 1: For the Bible?

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Speaker 5: As far as we've seen from what's being conveyed tests

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Speaker 5: from the mediators, they are so far that could break

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Speaker 1: So he says that they're looking to honor the agreement.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy, what does that fit with some of your reporting

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Speaker 3: and some of the other things that you know about

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at the

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Speaker 6: tenth and the seasfire going into effect. Israel has continued

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Speaker 6: agreed upon amount of food and other life essentials. I

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Speaker 6: don't like the term aid because what Israel is doing

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Speaker 6: is not just blocking humanitarian aid. They're blocking life essentials

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Speaker 6: because they're in total control of what goes in and

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Speaker 6: violate the ceasefire, they claim that it was for security reasons.

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Speaker 6: On the other hand, Hamas's chief negotiator and its political leader,

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Speaker 6: When you compare the rhetoric of Hamas officials with that

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Speaker 6: They're saying that they're committed to the ceasefire. When allegations

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Speaker 6: It was extraordinary to have the Cassam Brigades, Hamas's armed

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Speaker 6: Israel is saying, but they're not using belligerent language. When

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Speaker 6: they're asked about the issue of disarmament, they remain firm

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Speaker 6: and they say that that's a Palestinian issue and that

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Speaker 6: we're not going to disarm. But they also say these

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Speaker 6: So what I would say is that when you hear

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Speaker 6: is the obstruction, even when Israel is accusing Hamasa being

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Speaker 6: under Biden and also what we've seen at different points

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense, and we have a two on disarmament,

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Speaker 7: let's play, let's roll through that.

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Speaker 1: And yet as soon as you left, Hamas executed seven

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Speaker 1: people and then they went on to execute thirty more.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe they really will disarm.

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Speaker 8: Well, they promised they would, They said they it's down

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Speaker 8: that they would. Now they said they were gang members,

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Speaker 8: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: You know, but.

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Speaker 8: These are very violent people. This is a very violent

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Speaker 8: part of the world. Nobody's seen violence like this. If

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Speaker 8: we have to, will disarm the US, well, whether it's

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Speaker 8: me or the US, or it's you know, a proxy

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Speaker 8: could be Israel. With our back end, we won't have

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Speaker 8: boots something around. There's no reason to.

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Speaker 3: And you gotta love when Trump this says the quiet

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, one of our proxies.

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Speaker 7: Now, when Kushner was asked about that by Leslie Stahl,

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Speaker 7: he gave a much more nuanced answer. He said, well,

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Speaker 7: you have to wait until this International Stabilization Force is

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Speaker 7: It's like it's unusually kind of level headed and clear

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Speaker 1: So you are what are you.

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Speaker 7: Reading from all of the different signals that are being

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Speaker 6: I mean, first of all, let's fly up to thirty

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Speaker 6: actually not talking about arms. They're using that as a

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Speaker 6: Right in a way, if you look at this just

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Speaker 6: on a factual level, this is a total humiliation for Israel.

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Speaker 6: If you actually look at facts, they're demanding that Hamas

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Speaker 9: What arms?

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Speaker 6: Most of it is either repurposed Israeli ordinance, homemade by

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Speaker 6: A massive modern military that is a is a killing

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Speaker 6: guys wearing flip flops and track suits. So on one level,

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Speaker 6: this issue of disarmament, the world should sort of be saying,

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Speaker 6: wait a minute, Israel's goal from the beginning has been

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Speaker 6: the obliteration of Hamas and the disarmament of a Hamas.

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Speaker 6: They've utterly failed to do it, even though they've killed

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Speaker 6: tens of thousands of Palestinians in the process. Trump himself

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Speaker 6: said that upwards of twenty thousand Cassam Brigade soldiers have

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Speaker 6: twenty five thousand of the Casam Brigades now US officials.

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Speaker 6: I think it's really interesting that when you have Kushner

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Speaker 6: and witcoffin Trump talking about this issue of the weapons,

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Speaker 6: they seem to understand that there is a game that

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Speaker 9: It's a political question.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I'll go back to Hamas's position. When

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Speaker 6: they first responded to Trump, they broke his twenty point

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Speaker 6: plan into two basic parts. The first part was, we

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Speaker 6: the resistance holding the Israeli captives. We have the mandate

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Speaker 6: to negotiate an end of the war, the resumption of

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Speaker 6: But these other issues are political questions. Now Trump's people

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Speaker 6: all or nothing, but they have it. Trump continues to misrepresent,

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Speaker 6: according to Hamas's officials, what they actually said about disarmament.

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Speaker 6: I suspect based on what sources within the Palestinian resistance

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Speaker 9: There's also the wild card we've discussed on this program.

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Speaker 6: But I would say we're in a perilous situation. Israel

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Speaker 1: Now, that makes sense. Yeah, so how how does this

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Speaker 9: There was a piece in the New York Times this morning.

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Speaker 9: Nothing about this. So then they're going to go and deploy,

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Speaker 9: So the question of whether this is tenable is not

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Speaker 6: For like, the one of the Palestinians going to agree

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Speaker 3: I can't move away from everything you're talking about, which

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that, Jared Kushner said that. And so

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Speaker 1: What did we all witness?

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Speaker 3: We collapsed the government, the centralized authority, they broke into

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen like so they're going to

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Speaker 6: And remember, even up right up until the closing hours

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Speaker 1: They will.

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Speaker 9: Hamas officials have told me it.

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Speaker 9: Who's in charge?

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Speaker 6: technical experts that ran the government in Gaza and also

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Speaker 6: won the last democratic election and say come back in.

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Speaker 6: So I think we're going to see that if they

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Speaker 6: try to impose it one thing is clear of Palestine's history,

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Speaker 6: they are not going to accept foreign occupation. It's just

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Speaker 6: not going to happen. The question is how does it

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Speaker 6: get resisted. Do we have actual recognition of Palestinian rights

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Speaker 6: or not. The world has never been more clear on

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Speaker 6: what the Israeli project represents than now, and I think

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Speaker 6: that was a key factor in why the Palestinian negotiators

447
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Speaker 6: took this deal, even though it's a bad deal, because

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Speaker 6: they recognize that the world is on their side. And

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Speaker 6: that's why, in a way, it's more important for journalists

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Speaker 6: and others to pay much more attention.

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Speaker 9: Now than at any point.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 9: The future is up for grads.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree because this is the post project of

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Speaker 3: you know, immediate term was hostages, negotiation, ceasefire. Now it's

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Speaker 3: the hard part. Yeah, did we win the war in Iraq?

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Speaker 3: After mission accomplished that'? Actually when we lost the war

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Speaker 3: in Iraq. That's what so many people failed to grasp.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a decade long problem.

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Speaker 6: What can I make one one last point, just something

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Speaker 6: that you said there on this issue of the exchange

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Speaker 6: of captives. You look at the Israelis that have been

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Speaker 6: released from Hamas's captivity, and they were held during scorched

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Speaker 6: earth bombing, during a starvation campaign, and I think many

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Speaker 6: of them, their physical appearance did not look like what

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Speaker 6: people thought it was going to look like when they

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Speaker 6: came out.

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Speaker 9: You look then at the images.

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Speaker 6: Of Palestinians, you know, where medical officials are saying that

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Speaker 6: organs were surgically removed, where their bodies are charred, where

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Speaker 6: there's ropes around their necks, where some of them have

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Speaker 6: their hands tied behind their backs.

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Speaker 1: You know, blindfolded, blindfolded.

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Speaker 7: You see in the photos the bodies are like decayed,

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Speaker 7: but you can see the blind hills and round the eyes.

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Speaker 9: As we sit here in this studio in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 6: Palestinians are gathered intents in Gaza watching monitors where medical

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Speaker 6: examiners are putting pictures of the bodies of Palestinians that

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Speaker 6: have been returned, and they're doing close ups of the

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Speaker 6: teeth or of the hands, or of the clothing that

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Speaker 6: was on these people. And they're gathering intents to try

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Speaker 6: to say, see is that my son whose body part

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at?

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Speaker 9: You know, the sadistic nature sure of this.

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Speaker 6: Israel is holding at least seven hundred and twenty Palestinian

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Speaker 6: bodies that we know of one Palestinian political prisoner.

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Speaker 9: Who died on hunger strike. His body's been held for

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Speaker 9: forty five years.

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Speaker 6: They still haven't released it, but there are current indications

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Speaker 6: that there are as many as one thousand, five hundred bodies

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Speaker 6: in addition to that that are being held. In the

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Speaker 6: context of October seventh and the aftermath Palestinian bodies, Trump

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Speaker 6: talks about the sickness of what kind of sick people

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Speaker 6: hold dead bodies. It's a matter of state doctrine in

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Speaker 6: Israel since nineteen sixty seven to hold Palestinian bodies.

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Speaker 9: So the whole narrative.

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Speaker 6: Whether you are a maga person in this country, or

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Speaker 6: you're a Democrat, or you're a leftist or you're a rightist,

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Speaker 6: all of us should recognize there are two standards that

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Speaker 6: are being broadcast here right now, and it's a question

501
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Speaker 6: of like, what are our values we're denouncing the I mean,

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Speaker 6: the Palestinians are desperate to get the bodies of these

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Speaker 6: Israeli captives back.

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Speaker 9: This is a total liability for them. The Israelis are

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Speaker 9: holding them in coolers and freezers in some cases for

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Speaker 9: forty five years. Why don't we talk about that.

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Speaker 7: And real quick paceince we have here on the I

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Speaker 7: want to ask you about the West Bank because actually

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Speaker 7: there was a video just this week of a man

510
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Speaker 7: was killed in the West Bank and it was his

511
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Speaker 7: wife or some family member kind of battled the IDF

512
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Speaker 7: soldiers there to like grab his body, and Palestinians successfully

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Speaker 7: prevented the Israelis from taking the body out of ambulance

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Speaker 7: and back into Israel forty eight. But on Monday we

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Speaker 7: also saw this viral video filmed by Jasper Nathaniel Graydon.

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Speaker 7: We had him on our show yesterday, reporter who captured

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Speaker 7: an image that is becoming kind of the masked face

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Speaker 7: of Israel, which is this like thug settler with his

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Speaker 7: with a giant stick over his head beating an elderly woman.

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Speaker 1: And today Hen Mazig, I.

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Speaker 7: Don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, one of

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Speaker 7: the Israeli propagandists out there, he reports Israeli Deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 7: Moshe Pinche sent a message to other commanders ordering them

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Speaker 7: to find and stop an Israeli man who had attacked

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Speaker 7: and seriously injured an elderly Palstadian woman in the West

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Speaker 7: Bank who had been out harvesting olives. He added, quote

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Speaker 7: an image that kept me from sleeping. We will not

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Speaker 7: be like our cruel enemies, unquote, and then he adds,

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Speaker 7: this is the kind of moral clarity we need to

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Speaker 7: maintain even through the darkest times. This is accountability. So

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Speaker 7: is actually responding to the images of this violence, which

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Speaker 7: is highly unusual. But what do you make of them

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Speaker 7: getting off there, took us here and saying they're going

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Speaker 7: to actually do something about this. What would you say

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Speaker 7: about the moral clarity that's alleged here.

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Speaker 6: The last two years of Israeli conduct has dramatically given

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Speaker 6: lie to this mantra repeated by Democrats and Republicans that

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Speaker 6: it's the only democracy in the Middle East. There's actually

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Speaker 6: nothing democratic at all about Israeli society when you have,

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Speaker 6: on the one hand, the stealing of people's land, the

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Speaker 6: brutal beating and killing of Palestinians as you try to

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Speaker 6: steal their land, the denial of full rights to people

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Speaker 6: even that you say are your citizens who happened to

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Speaker 6: be Palestinian. So you know, the the the entire project

545
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Speaker 6: has been exposed as a lie. But what I would

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Speaker 6: say is even when Israel gets caught on camera and

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Speaker 6: caught on film, the actual accountability when it happens is minimal.

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Speaker 6: You know, you had people who were filmed raping Palestinian

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Speaker 6: prisoners and their defense in court that their lawyer offered

550
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Speaker 6: was that it was they needed to rape him because

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Speaker 6: it was self defense. You know, and and and you know,

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Speaker 6: the Biden administration repeatedly got played on this. They would

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Speaker 6: stand there at the State Department of Oh, well, Israel

554
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Speaker 6: is doing an investigation. It never goes anywhere. There's never

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Speaker 6: any actual consequences. What I would say about this beating

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Speaker 6: video though, the Palestinian woman who was getting you know,

557
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Speaker 6: beaten with a club for committing the crime of farming

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Speaker 6: while Palestinian, is that what happens when we don't have

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Speaker 6: video there. Yeah, that that's actually what matters, because when

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Speaker 6: you hear, if you listen to Palestinians and what happens

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Speaker 6: to them at the hands of the government in forest

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Speaker 6: and backed settlers, it's it's an astonishing crime that has

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Speaker 6: played out for decades. And you know, this is why

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Speaker 6: so many Arab and Islamic states wanted this term in

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Speaker 6: the Trump Plan, saying that there won't be any annexation

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Speaker 6: of the West Bank, and then it was taken out

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Speaker 6: the night before by you, Durmer and others meeting with

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Speaker 6: Whitcoff because I think that is the agenda moving forward.

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Speaker 6: You know that that speech in the kanesset of Trump

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Speaker 6: was like watching a reverse Nuremberg trial where instead of

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Speaker 6: facing justice, the criminals gather together and they congratulate each other.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: The the the guest of honor who should have been

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Speaker 6: there was Joe Biden, who you know, the difference between

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Speaker 6: Biden and Trump is Biden was a committed Zionist ideologue.

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Speaker 9: Trump is transactional. You know.

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Speaker 6: Trump will pay lip service to Marriam Adelson and the

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Speaker 6: agenda of Zionism.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's funny to him.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, It's almost like he's saying, like, can you believe

581
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Speaker 9: these fools? Believe me?

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Speaker 6: It's sort of like the famous quote about Carl Rove

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Speaker 6: talking about the Evangelicism night, you know, where it's basically

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Speaker 6: they reckoned that they could get them as a as

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Speaker 6: a voting block, you know, with the radical rise of

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Speaker 6: the radical religious right. In a way, I think that's

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Speaker 6: kind of how Trump is toward Israel. I don't think

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Speaker 6: he cares one way or the other. I don't think

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Speaker 6: he's actually like a committed Zionist in.

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Speaker 9: A political sense.

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Speaker 6: Committed Biden's entire career was that. So Trump's like, Okay, well,

592
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Speaker 6: we'll let them burn the place down after they blow

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Speaker 6: up the ceasefire. But it had to do with his

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Speaker 6: own uh, you know, transactional political real estate, all.

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Speaker 9: Of these other things. Oh well, yeah, Mary Madelson is

596
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Speaker 9: telling me I need to do this. Oh yeah, well

597
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Speaker 9: she's got sixty billion in the bank. I okay, if

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Speaker 9: I will that, yeah do.

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Speaker 6: Biden, though committed Zionist his whole career, defending Israel at

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Speaker 6: its worst constantly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He said that a Jew in the world would not

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Speaker 3: be safe if Israel didn't exist, which is a slap

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Speaker 3: in the face to our country that still enrages me.

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Speaker 3: So you're the preest day, Yeah, I know, I mean what,

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Speaker 3: that's such an insane thing to say.

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Speaker 1: Eight million people in the country not say.

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Speaker 3: Literally, yeah, we're not saving exactly.

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Speaker 1: And now we have Anthony blink In. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he saw this.

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Speaker 3: John Kirby is now at David Axel Rods Institute for politics.

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Speaker 3: Jake Sherman's at Harvard. These people had no consequence. It's icky. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I abologized, Jake Sullivan is over at Harvard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: these people paid no price. And I think that's what

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Speaker 3: so personally black pilling is. I saw that happen with Iraq,

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Speaker 3: and I said, Okay, it won't happen again, right like

617
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Speaker 3: in my own lifetime.

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Speaker 1: But it did happen again, and yeah and again.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that on these questions, we cannot

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Speaker 6: let the Biden people off the hook.

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Speaker 9: There's a huge yes.

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Speaker 6: Trump allowed the Israelis to put forward a narrative of

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Speaker 6: lies to blow up that January ceasefire deal. March second,

624
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Speaker 6: they reimposed the Speege siege, and then March eighteenth they

625
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Speaker 6: begin the terror bombings again. Now they've brought it back

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Speaker 6: to the to the so called ceasefire. But Biden's people,

627
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Speaker 6: including Matt Miller, the former State Department spokesperson, have acknowledged

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Speaker 6: that they allowed Israel to blow up ceasefire deals because

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Speaker 6: they were afraid if they were too hard on them

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Speaker 6: that it would ruin their chances to get a ceasefire deal.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you think about the logic there but

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Speaker 6: I would again, I would draw a difference between the

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Speaker 6: Kushners and the wit Coughs of the world, who I think,

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Speaker 6: in their own way are sort of cold, callous, vicious

635
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Speaker 6: characters when it comes to how they're approaching Palestine and

636
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Speaker 6: the Biden people. There was ideology at the center of

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Speaker 6: the Biden people regarding Israel. With Trump's people, it's it's

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Speaker 6: it's kind of like a Walmart, you know, like they're

639
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Speaker 6: they're they're really this is just about like how much

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Speaker 6: crap can we, you know, sell to get what we

641
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Speaker 6: want to get those profits. And I think again, we

642
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Speaker 6: should never forget that it was the Biden people that

643
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Speaker 6: let this go on, that facilitated the entire thing. There

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Speaker 6: never would have been that January deal had it not

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Speaker 6: been for Trump's intervention. No matter how much the matt

646
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Speaker 6: Iglesiuses or others of the world want to try to

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Speaker 6: pretend Biden's people sealed that deal, they didn't what Biden brought.

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Speaker 9: He should be remembered as the butcher of Gaza.

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Speaker 6: But Biden's legacy should be he was the butcher of Gaza.

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Speaker 3: And it was as simple the whole time. Jeremy, how

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Speaker 3: did the ceasefire happen this final one. They met with

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Speaker 3: Hamas in a room. It's not difficult meet with them.

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Speaker 3: Kushner that I brought it up in the first Trump

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Speaker 3: term exactly. It's one thing that I do give the

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Speaker 3: temp administration credit for. Although they kind of they screwed

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Speaker 3: the Palestinians on the eedon Alexander, you know, exchange the

657
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: American Israeli soldier who was released, and they were supposed

658
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: to be Trump calling for an end of the war

659
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Speaker 3: and resumption of aid. But I give them credit for

660
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Speaker 3: sitting down and talking with Hamas. And this is the

661
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: dangerous thing, and it's the broader lesson we can end on,

662
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Speaker 3: I guess anytime. And it's why at Dropsite we believe

663
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Speaker 3: in speaking to Hamas and Palestinian Islamic jihad. It's because

664
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Speaker 3: anytime you speak with people that you're told or the enemy,

665
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: you're going to learn something about what motivates them, what

666
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: drives them. And if we really want to resolve conflict

667
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: or we want to end these wars, you it is

668
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Speaker 3: imperative that you be willing to hear the perspective of

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Speaker 3: the other side. Otherwise you have what Israel is, which

670
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: is just an annihilationist agenda, a serial killer masquerading as

671
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Speaker 3: a nation state.

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Speaker 6: But if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard,

673
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Speaker 6: it means you talk to everybody. So I'm that strand

674
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Speaker 6: of Trump, of Trump's policy, I think it's something that

675
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Speaker 6: should become part.

676
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Speaker 9: Of the US perspective on resolving conflict. Or you have to.

677
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Speaker 6: Speak to people that you that you claim to be

678
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Speaker 6: fighting against or that are being characterized as terrorists, particularly

679
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Speaker 6: when it's in the service of another country.

680
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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially, absolutely right. Don't let anybody shame you. You

681
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Speaker 3: talk to whoever you want to, even if they're literally terrorist.

682
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Speaker 9: I've got to talk to you.

683
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right, You're.

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Speaker 9: Right, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'll end on this note.

686
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Speaker 3: Similarly, I remember I ate all the propaganda about North Korea.

687
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Speaker 3: Then I met some of the people who were analysts

688
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Speaker 3: who had met with the North Koreans and they explained

689
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Speaker 3: their perspective.

690
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Speaker 1: I go, yeah, I'm not giving my nukes up either.

691
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Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm like, what of course I'm I was like,

692
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Speaker 3: I'm not trusting these people for one second. I heard

693
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Speaker 3: what they said at the negotiation table about Goddafi to

694
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Speaker 3: Mike Pompeo's face, and I was like, yeah, I'm on

695
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Speaker 3: Piong Yang side here man, Like you know, I'm never

696
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: given these up. So that's a perfect example of what

697
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Speaker 3: you're talking about. Jeremy, thank you so much for dropping by.

698
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Speaker 3: I always love talking to you man. Thank you very

699
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Speaker 3: much to be with you guys.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

701
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Speaker 3: Turning down to the economy, we've been trying to stick

702
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Speaker 3: to this as much as we can, the two tiered

703
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: economy where people, Yes, the S and P five hundred

704
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: record high just yesterday, gold record high. So if you

705
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Speaker 3: have some of those assets, you're doing well. But beneath

706
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: the surface and behind the scenes, a lot of stuff

707
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Speaker 3: happening for people who are making less than one hundred

708
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars.

709
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Speaker 1: Just go and put this up here on the screen.

710
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Speaker 3: Lower income Americans are missing car payments, so more Americans

711
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: are struggling to make monthly car loan payments. Assigned that

712
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: the lower income consumers are undergrowing financial pressure. The share

713
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: of subprime auto loans that are sixty days or more

714
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Speaker 3: pass has narrowly a high of six point five percent

715
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Speaker 3: and has lingered near that level.

716
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Speaker 1: Repos have swelled.

717
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Speaker 3: More drivers are trading in vehicles that are worth less

718
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Speaker 3: than they owe, meaning that they're upside down, and lenders

719
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Speaker 3: such as CarMax and Ally Financial have warned investors about

720
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Speaker 3: auto loan.

721
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Speaker 1: And performance quote.

722
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Speaker 3: Despite stubborn inflation and punishing tariffs, the US economy, on

723
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: its surface appeared to hold up relatively well. The stock

724
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: market has climbed, companies executives for the most part, remain upbeat,

725
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: and consumers overall are still spending, but it's largely those

726
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: top ten percent consumers which are The weakness is that

727
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: the auto market is one of the clearest indications that

728
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: lower and middle class income families could be starting to buckle,

729
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: because many Americans need cars to get around. Auto loan

730
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Speaker 3: delinquency is a tel engage of financial.

731
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Speaker 1: Hardship, essentially a good proxy, right.

732
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Speaker 3: It's like one of the last things that you're going

733
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Speaker 3: to go bust on is repossessions. I'm not sure I'm

734
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Speaker 3: not the only one, but videos of repo men literally

735
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: go viral all the time, and it does feel maybe

736
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: it's algorithmic. I'm not sure my own personal bias, but

737
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: I do certainly see them go everywhere, and I think

738
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Speaker 3: it combined that with some of the other sides, particularly

739
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Speaker 3: with the Stegram we're going to do later on with

740
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Speaker 3: David Day. And the real risk to our economy right now,

741
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Speaker 3: Ryan is that you know, if you're already making less

742
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: than a hundred thousand, like you're basically not bust, but

743
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: you're really struggling. And if fifty percent of all consumer

744
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: spending and just from the top ten percent, a slight

745
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: pullback in that is just enough to send us into

746
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Speaker 3: a recession.

747
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you said is exactly right.

748
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Speaker 7: If you lose your car, and yeah, you can't do anything,

749
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Speaker 7: like you know, there's a small percentage of people live

750
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Speaker 7: walkable enough that they can get to work et cech A.

751
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 7: That's not that's not the situation, right, like a massive

752
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 7: portion of Americans.

753
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Speaker 1: And so.

754
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Speaker 7: If so when you start struggling, yeah, you your rent

755
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 7: is the thing you stop paying first, maybe because it's

756
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 7: much harder to get evicted. And then then your credit card,

757
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 7: your student loans, definitely you're not paying those. What are

758
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 7: they going to do take your take your degree back? Eventually?

759
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 7: You but you keep paying the things that you need,

760
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 7: and you need your car when you and then when

761
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 7: you stop paying that and then now you're dodging the

762
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Speaker 7: repo man. And if you lose your car, then you're

763
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Speaker 7: you know, bumming rides to work, you might lose your job.

764
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Speaker 7: You're So that's why the being counter is look at

765
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Speaker 7: this number because through all of that pain and suffering

766
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 7: is an economic indicator, which is that if people are

767
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Speaker 7: falling behind on their car payments, that means everything else

768
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Speaker 7: is going really badly.

769
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Speaker 1: That's well, that's exactly right.

770
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Speaker 3: There's another metric I track very closely. Let's go and

771
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Speaker 3: put here up on the screen. When I saw this,

772
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Speaker 3: I said, sell everything, because this is this is the

773
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Speaker 3: biggest indicator of impending economic disaster. The number of people

774
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Speaker 3: who registered to take the l SAT in September twenty

775
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: twenty four was eighteen thousand, eight hundred and eleven. The

776
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: number of people who registered to take it in September

777
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is thirty two thousand, one hundred and seventy.

778
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Speaker 1: So let's explain, shall we.

779
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Speaker 3: What it is is that in anybody who is my

780
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 3: age is just old enough to remember this is back

781
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: in the Great Reception, you lived through this ryne. You

782
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: were aftering the job market at that time. If you

783
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: entered the job market between nine and twenty twelve, you

784
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: were dead right you're basically entering one of the worst

785
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: wage job markets of all time. So what a lot

786
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: of people did, especially those who graduated let's say in nine,

787
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: is they said, Okay, screw it, I'm just gonna have to.

788
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Speaker 1: Go to law school. I'm gonna have to business school.

789
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm gonna have to leverage myself with some debt,

790
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: but hopeful things will have cleaned up. I'll have gained

791
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: a credential in the meantime. It's kind of a stopgap

792
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: measure for a lot of people. It's nice if you

793
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: can afford it, but it's definitely bad if you're taking

794
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans.

795
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Speaker 1: Just to add to that.

796
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Speaker 7: In and you go on, let's say you graduated in five,

797
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 7: You've been working for two three years, right, you just

798
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 7: got laid off, and you're staring at now years of unemployment.

799
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 7: Like there was this whole thing back then what they

800
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 7: call the ninety nine ers, people who would exhaust ninety

801
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 7: nine weeks of unemployment.

802
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

803
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 7: And so you're like, well, I could sit around and

804
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 7: just suffer because like there's not you know, it's an

805
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 7: extraordinary amount of suffering.

806
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: It has to be looking for work.

807
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 7: It's it's an assault on your dignity as well as

808
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 7: your finances. And so you're like, well, if I'm going

809
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 7: to be sitting around for three years anyway, might as

810
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 7: well at least try to come out with a credential

811
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Speaker 7: that can make me more employable down the line.

812
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

813
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: And actually, what we saw is that the number of

814
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Speaker 3: people who took the alsat actually dropped after the economy

815
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: started to get better. So it is one of those

816
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: like very good indications about how people are doing. And

817
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: eventually as the economy got better, so let's say to twenty.

818
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: Twelve, it fell even more precipitously.

819
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: But the fact that it has such a large spike

820
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: is genuinely one of those like two thousand and nine

821
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: to two, it's the exact same thing. I'm looking right

822
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: here at the statistics substantial jump of some twenty to

823
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: forty percent in law school applications just in the two

824
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: thousand and nine to twenty ten school year. So this

825
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: is the same number if you look at what that

826
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: is almost double actually, so very similar metric.

827
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Speaker 1: It just goes to show you at the lower.

828
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Level of the job market, there is a crushing feeling

829
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: of this isn't going to get better, and so I

830
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Speaker 3: might as well just take out some debt and deal

831
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Speaker 3: with it.

832
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Speaker 1: I will also add, though, this.

833
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: May be one of the worst times to do it,

834
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: because not only do we have AI which is on

835
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: the horizon, but also, you know, for people who are

836
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: out there, please pay very attention to the law.

837
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Speaker 1: So there's something called a grad plus loan. Are you

838
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: where what that is? Yeah?

839
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Speaker 9: Right?

840
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: So previously cap no exactly. So previously this grad plus

841
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: loan was one of the most used student loan federal

842
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: programs for medical students and for law students. Now, the

843
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: United States Congress in the recent legislation has capped that

844
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: at fifty thousand, and so there are some schools I

845
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: recently saw statistics that for the very first year ever.

846
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: I think it's Santa Clair. I need to check which

847
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: law school.

848
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: They had their tuition at seventy thousand, but then the

849
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Speaker 3: law change and they changed to fifty.

850
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, interesting, interesting, the seventy was kind

851
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: of fixed.

852
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: Say, all right, so there are two options that are

853
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: right now. Is that one is that, yes, maybe law

854
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: school prices will drop.

855
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Speaker 1: I am deeply hopeful for that.

856
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: Personally, I think we should make the grad plus own

857
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: zero and then we'll really see what the market rate

858
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: for law school is. My guess is a couple thousand dollars.

859
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: But the real like change here.

860
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Speaker 1: Could be the Yales, the Harvard's.

861
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Speaker 3: Let's say, any in a T T fifteen top twenty

862
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 3: five law school, any of those, they're not going to change.

863
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: People are going to get leverage no matter what, whether

864
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: it's grad plus or not. That's where I get scared,

865
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: you know, for people is that they'll not only even

866
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Speaker 3: have access to grad plus on I have to get

867
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Speaker 3: a private loan.

868
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Speaker 1: Private loan is.

869
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Speaker 3: Going to have a user's interest rate right now, and

870
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: you could really get stuck in a deep pull and

871
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: you're basically banking on an entire career that works out

872
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: when you have a technology environment right now where you

873
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: just don't know. I mean, again, I'm not a lawyer.

874
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: I know a lot from what I know. AI has

875
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: not come yet. There's still a lot of guild checks

876
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: in the system. But I can't be the only person

877
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: who says, hey, you know, especially the lawyers who I

878
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: grew up with their first two three years in the industry,

879
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: it was bullshit. It was like, you know, document review,

880
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: it was doc review, it was working. They would when

881
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: the partners went to bed, that's when you started to

882
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: work and you have to do your research and make

883
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: sure that the footnotes are I mean, it's like investment banking.

884
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: It's just pure scut work.

885
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 3: And that's one of those where that I'm fairly certain

886
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: chat GPT could do or at the very least you

887
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: could use it to check your work and then come

888
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: but the workload is going to be much much less.

889
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: So that's where I really start to worry, you know, first,

890
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: especially with the doctor view. Oh yeah, I mean that's

891
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: the definition of automated right right, yeah.

892
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 7: The hopefully I mean, don't put a value judgment on it.

893
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 7: There are so many like fake cases that seem to

894
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 7: have been seeded into the world. I don't know if

895
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 7: like Thompson Reuters or like some other of these companies

896
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 7: that you have to pay to get access to their cases,

897
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 7: are like genuinely like seeding the world with like fake

898
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: cases the way that like hippies would put like a

899
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 7: spike in a tree. Something's going on that is putting

900
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 7: in all of these made up, completely hallucinated cases that

901
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 7: then ais are then writing into their memos that they're writing,

902
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 7: and judges are coming down hard on them.

903
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Say oh this is this is clearly AI. You're sanctioned,

904
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: you're fined.

905
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 7: So at least you will need humans to like read

906
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 7: the AI briefs and then actually go and check the

907
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: cases to see if it's not illusive.

908
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Well you should be checking it anyways.

909
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: I can't tell you the number of times I'll use

910
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: check GPT for research and I'm like, wait, that's wrong.

911
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean, like I know that that's wrong, right, It's

912
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: one of those wheys.

913
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: And then I'll say hey, that's wrong, and they're like, oh,

914
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 3: you're right, it is wrong.

915
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: If you work it like Thomson Reuters or one of

916
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: these other places, reach out to me because oh yeah,

917
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: actually that would be a great story. And if I

918
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: were them, I would do it. Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely,

919
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: you know why not.

920
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 7: Be like business And Jenni versus Groom is powerful Supreme

921
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 7: Court case and you can put it somewhere where the

922
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 7: AIS will crawl it, but nobody else can find it.

923
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

924
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: My dream is to get my name attached to a

925
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: landmark case on marijuand and Jedti versus the United States

926
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: and Jenny versus the state of Colorado.

927
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: So my name can live forever.

928
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: All right, let's go and put this one up here

929
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: on jed Ji Yeah, the Miranda rights and Jenni right

930
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: in Jeddi Wright too. There was actually a huge case

931
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: here in Washington, d C. Where a woman sued her

932
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: neighbor for smoking weed and one actually and one she

933
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 3: is my personal hero right now. So the home sellers

934
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: now outnumber buyers by more than five hundred thousand.

935
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: That is the largest gap ever recorded. So yeah, you know,

936
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: things are scary.

937
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: And the reason why this scares me is the price

938
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: still has not adjusted. Ryan, So even though the sellers

939
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: are out numbering the buyers, the law of elasticity would

940
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: tell you that the price should come down. Price is

941
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: not going down, right, it's actually staying flat. In some

942
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: cases in the big metro areas, they're going up, which

943
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: I just don't understand. I don't know how it's possible.

944
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: But there's something where I have said now this entire time,

945
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: it feels like it has to crack, but it doesn't.

946
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: And I think that's what scares me the most is

947
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: we've lived through these crazy times now since June of

948
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty it's been five years. More than five years

949
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: of an insane housing market doesn't sound that long. Let's

950
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: say if you're sixty, if you're my age and you're

951
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: thirty three, that's.

952
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: A long time.

953
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: I wasn't even married with a child five years ago. Right,

954
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: Your life can change rapidly in five years. Let's say

955
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: you're twenty eight years old, You're right around that time

956
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: where you're like, yeah, you know, I'm thinking about it. Oh,

957
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: seven percent interest rate, terrible housing market.

958
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: I can't afford it. I don't have the savings.

959
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: Let's say I'm either getting laid off or I'm not

960
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: getting the raise that I thought I was going to get.

961
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: Inflation is eating away at my bottom line. Those are

962
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: the people I think about the most right now.

963
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 7: And I think what you're looking at there is a standoff.

964
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 7: And I think, and this is the reason that you're

965
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 7: not seeing the prices crash. Yet you have most of

966
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 7: those sellers there have some type of three percent interest

967
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 7: rate that they're sitting on, and so their monthly payment

968
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 7: very low is something that they can afford as long

969
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 7: as they're staying employed, and so.

970
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: They can wade out the buyers.

971
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 7: Buyers are looking at a seven eight percent interest rate,

972
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 7: which sends your monthly mortgage costs, you know, absolutely through

973
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 7: the roof, which changes the amount of house that you

974
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 7: can then buy. So if you're a seller and you're

975
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 7: selling on your three percent mortgage, now when you go

976
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: to buy a new home, you're going to.

977
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Have to take out this eight percent level.

978
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 7: So there's that huge gap, and so people are staring

979
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 7: at that and saying, you know what, I need a

980
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 7: lot more money to be able to get an equal house.

981
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 7: And the person's like, well, why would I give you

982
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 7: that much money? When no, I mean it makes it's perfect.

983
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 7: It's two people just staring at each other. And I

984
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 7: think the only way this breaks I guess eventually the

985
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 7: force of like economic decline could do it because enough

986
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 7: people just can't make their payments anymore. But really, interest

987
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 7: rates have to move, yes, that's right, Like you can't.

988
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 7: They're just crazy world of where you have three and eight,

989
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 7: Like the buyers at eight and then the sellers at three,

990
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 7: Like trying to find a place where they can meet

991
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 7: in the middle is proving to be impossible.

992
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Like that's why you're seeing this record. That's such a

993
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: good point.

994
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people are stuck in houses

995
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: that they don't even want to be in. I know

996
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: a lot of them. They have like three children, and

997
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: they're like, I'm not moving. I can't afford it. I

998
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: literally cannot afford to move. Let's go and put the

999
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: next one up on the screen. This is we wanted

1000
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: to bring it back to the shutdown. There is in

1001
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: fact a shutdown happening, by the way, if anybody's forgotten, it's.

1002
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: Actually fourth week if the shutdown.

1003
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: Not that anybody cares, apparently, And so these Obamacare prices

1004
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: were the things that the Democrats really were zeroing in on.

1005
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: And there's spend new public reporting now of these higher

1006
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: prices that are now actually revealed in over a dozen states.

1007
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: It says consumers are now facing greater costs for their

1008
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six ACA health coverage as Congress continues to

1009
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: debate whether to extend subsidies that help people afford their premium.

1010
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: So health insurance prices for next year under the Affordable

1011
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: Care Act now available. The annual enrollment period for Obamacare

1012
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: starts on November first. The costs are becoming publicly available

1013
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: piecemeal through state marketplaces. People shopping for coverage can now

1014
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: preview the costs they face from potentially expiring subsidies sharply

1015
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: rising premiums in many markets, including California, New York, Nevada, Maryland,

1016
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: and Idaho. Man California, New York. What that's a huge

1017
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: portion of the entire US population. Based on newly published information,

1018
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: a family of four making one hundred and thirty thousand

1019
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: dollars in Maine would face an increase of sixteen thousand

1020
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: dollars in annual premiums just next year because they would

1021
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: no longer qualify for generous subsidies. And that is from

1022
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. That's devastating. Sixteen

1023
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. That's after tax income.

1024
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 7: First, that's that's one of those where you read and

1025
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 7: you're like, that can't be right, right, that has to

1026
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 7: be wrong.

1027
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: It's huge, an increase of sixteen thousand dollars. And like

1028
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: you said, after tax income.

1029
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 7: So the family for making one hundred and thirty one

1030
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty, I guess.

1031
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: Technically tax it up whatever. I'm not on accountant, but still, yeah, yeah, yes,

1032
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: you can write that off. That's true, but your income

1033
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: is not.

1034
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 7: You know, you're actually income is going to be more

1035
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 7: like one hundred, even though you can write a.

1036
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Lot of that off.

1037
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 7: But that's brutal, and so what people, so's what's interesting here.

1038
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 7: Let me read something from a related report which says,

1039
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 7: so the expiration of enhanced tax credits will lead to

1040
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 7: out of pocket premiums for ACA marketplaces. Role is increasing

1041
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 7: by an average of more than seventy five percent. This

1042
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 7: is the doubling that you keep hearing about. So they're

1043
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 7: guessing that won't be a complete and total doubling, which

1044
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 7: ensures with insurers expecting healthier enrollees to drop coverage, that

1045
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 7: in turn increases underlying premiums. So, just to make sure

1046
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 7: everyone's clear on what's going on here, we're going to

1047
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 7: double the price almost of these exchanges. A lot of

1048
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 7: people are going to look at that sixteen thousand dollars

1049
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 7: price tag that they're facing for next year, and they're

1050
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 7: going to say, I can't afford that. It's not even

1051
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 7: a choice of whether or not I want to buy this.

1052
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 7: I don't have the money for it, so I'm just dropping.

1053
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 7: Health insurance insurers have already gained that out. They know

1054
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 7: that they're estimating two million for next year and then

1055
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 7: increasing as it goes on. Okay, so it's the healthiest

1056
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 7: people who are the most likely to say, you know what,

1057
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 7: I just I'm not family is going to have to

1058
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 7: go no insurance this year. And so if you lose

1059
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 7: the healthy people from the pool, you then have to

1060
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 7: charge everybody else more. So, not only are you losing

1061
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 7: the subsidy which is driving the price up to seventy

1062
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 7: five percent they're estimating then they're already forecasting two regulators

1063
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 7: that they're going to raise the underlying price by twenty percent. Yeah,

1064
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 7: that is a year over year increase that is utterly

1065
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 7: unsustainable and insane.

1066
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: Right, twenty percent in one year. It's horrible.

1067
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: But you know, I keep coming back to what Crystal

1068
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: said with Corbin Trent.

1069
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Which is a devastating point. This is the devastating point.

1070
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 3: The whole fight is we can't afford to go back

1071
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 3: to normal Obamacare. Well, if this is normal Obamacare, this sucks.

1072
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: It's like I said, ay time, Yeah, it's like this

1073
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: is horrible.

1074
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: This is horrible.

1075
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: The only reason people signed up were because of pandemic

1076
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: era subsidies for health insurance, and now that it's reverting

1077
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: back from people.

1078
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: Were like woah, woah.

1079
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I didn't know that this is what the

1080
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: normal program was. And that's actually kind of a Republican

1081
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: talking point, which is not incorrect. It's like, if this

1082
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: was the normal marketplace, then what the hell are we

1083
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: doing here?

1084
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: One hundred. I mean I got some of these older figures.

1085
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: I got a in Kentucky, a sixty year old couple

1086
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: make eighty five thousand will face an increase of twenty

1087
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: three thousand and seven.

1088
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 7: They make you will make eighty seven thousand, and there

1089
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 7: increases a quarter of the twenty three seven hundred.

1090
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm rolling the dice.

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Speaker 3: Don't get medicare, I mean personally right, if you're health healthy,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let's let's roll the dice. Don't take any buses,

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Speaker 3: don't don't go on across.

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Speaker 7: And that's what they that's what they expect people will do.

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Speaker 7: So and so costs are going to go through the roof.

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Speaker 7: The best thing that people said about the ACA at

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Speaker 7: the time was well, this is the first step, and

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Speaker 7: they'll fill it in with subsidies. And then they did,

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Speaker 7: and now they let them go. Now you have to

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Speaker 7: fight to get them back. Yes, it's it's utterly absurd.

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Speaker 7: It's outrageous, and it shows why you need universal coverage

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Speaker 7: because without universal coverage, the healthiest people aren't in it,

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Speaker 7: and then everybody else, everybody else pays more.

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, the politics play an interesting role here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really what I want your opinion on

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Speaker 3: because it does look like the Senate Democrats are going

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Speaker 3: to cave.

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Speaker 7: Right, because so think so if you're just listening to this,

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Speaker 7: This is Andrew Destorio, steal reporter saying, are Senate Dems

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Speaker 7: eyeing November first as a shutdown off ramped m think

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Speaker 7: they can argue it's no longer feasible to address the

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Speaker 7: expiring ACA subsidies legislatively and make GP own the resulting

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Speaker 7: premium mics.

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Speaker 1: No decision yet this idea is picking up steam.

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Speaker 7: So in other words, saying, okay, well, the exchanges open

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Speaker 7: up for business on November first, and this is what

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Speaker 7: we're fighting for. So if we get past November first,

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Speaker 7: we can then save face and say, okay, look we tried.

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Speaker 7: We tried to save Republicans from themselves. We tried to

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Speaker 7: stop Republicans from doubling your health insurance costs. They refused,

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Speaker 7: Now they're doubled. It's done, let's open the government up.

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Speaker 7: Like so that's and then.

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Speaker 1: You've had.

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Speaker 7: Was it Thoon yesterday saying I will negotiate, you know,

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Speaker 7: And what Republicans have been saying is we will negotiate

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Speaker 7: around these subsidies, but we won't do it with a

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Speaker 7: gun to our head, which is hilarious because it's like

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Speaker 7: the exact reverse of what the parties said during the

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Speaker 7: last shutdown. There is no principle in process ever, like

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Speaker 7: don't don't If anybody claim that they believe in a process,

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Speaker 7: they're lying.

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Speaker 1: They don't. They just believe in the outcomes.

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Speaker 7: So in the previous case, it was Democrats who said,

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Speaker 7: why can't you negotiate with the government open?

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Speaker 1: Because Biden was president?

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Speaker 7: Yes, now it's Republicans saying why can't you negotiate with

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Speaker 7: the government because Trumps Trump is pressed and that's all

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Speaker 7: that matters. So Democrats can say, all right, look we tried.

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Speaker 7: And also from a cynical perspective, Schumer Schumer's personally, but

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Speaker 7: Democrats in general, they are personally. You know what, if

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Speaker 7: Trump wants to hurt twenty million people and let the

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Speaker 7: whole country know that he's doing it to them, then

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Speaker 7: let him do it, then let him do it and

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Speaker 7: we'll reap the political.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then why did you shut the government down

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Speaker 1: for a month two?

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Speaker 7: Because nobody would have known otherwise, like they would have

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Speaker 7: gotten their increase and been like, oh this is terrible,

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Speaker 7: but like life sucks. Now they can say, look, we

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Speaker 7: told you Trump was doing this, We fought for you.

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Speaker 1: Trump fights against you.

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Speaker 7: That check your writing, remember Donald Trump's name while you're

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Speaker 7: writing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's their theory.

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Speaker 3: I could see it. It's just a little week for me.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if that's the political calculus, then keep the

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Speaker 3: government shut down. Okay, I mean because again you know,

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Speaker 3: and Crystal's made this point, I'm sure you agree with

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Speaker 3: it if you ask those No Kings people. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: going to be some signs about Obamacare. That's not what

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Speaker 3: they're mad about, right, They're mad about Ice. They're mad

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Speaker 3: about all this other stuff going on. Right, So for them,

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Speaker 3: they're like, screw you, why should I fund you? You

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Speaker 3: think these ICE agents aren't getting paid fine by me?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: You know, for a lot of them, they're saying, there's

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Speaker 3: no reason to fund this government. It make their life

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Speaker 3: a little bit more difficult. Force them to do stupid shit,

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Speaker 3: like I don't know, firing an artillery shell, if that

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Speaker 3: explodes over the city of Los Angeles, I mean, if

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Speaker 3: I'm a damn I'm gonna take that all day long.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's very painful for a lot of the for

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Speaker 3: the federal workers, et cetera. But you know, it's ponds

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Speaker 3: have to be played in the field of battle.

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Speaker 7: Romer Democrats is that Republicans only have to peel off

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Speaker 7: a few and they're good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, Democrats as.

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Speaker 7: A leader ship can want whatever they want. But if

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Speaker 7: Republicans can get a couple, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Like, but November first is you know, it's

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Speaker 1: still a ways away. Yeah, all right, well we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Ryan, I'm very curious.