Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz.
Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau
Speaker 1: Field and West. Final week of o t A s
Speaker 1: here for the Packers with the mandatory mini camp next
Speaker 1: week wrapping up the off season program. We heard from
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at his locker on Monday, and it's most
Speaker 1: likely the last time we're going to hear from Rogers
Speaker 1: in in a media setting until training camp begins. One
Speaker 1: thing that that really stood out to me from that
Speaker 1: conversation with Rogers with reporters is, uh, he seems very
Speaker 1: very excited and we've talked a little bit about this before,
Speaker 1: but very very excited about what is rowing at the
Speaker 1: tight end position here with the experience that Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: and Marcedes Lewis and Lance Kendricks bring at the top
Speaker 1: of the depth chart at that position. Yeah, Mike, And
Speaker 1: the thing is, and you've been around this to the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, being around the team, being in
Speaker 1: the locker room at some of these events, if you
Speaker 1: really can't appreciate how big. Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis
Speaker 1: are until you stand in their presence. I was interviewing
Speaker 1: Louis last week after he got signed, and I mean
Speaker 1: there is a full foot and a half. It seems
Speaker 1: like between him and I am being somewhat facetious, but
Speaker 1: I mean it is just looking directly up and and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham is very similar. Six ft six six, six
Speaker 1: ft seven in Graham's case, that's just amazing catch, Radiers.
Speaker 1: It's a huge catch, Radis. You can see why A.
Speaker 1: Lewis was a first round pick back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, and b why even though he was taken
Speaker 1: in the middle rounds, Jimmy Graham was such an intriguing
Speaker 1: prospect after converting from basketball at the University of Miami, Florida.
Speaker 1: So this one to combo along with Lance Kendricks being
Speaker 1: back after a year in the system. If by no means,
Speaker 1: I mean this is the most experienced the Packers have
Speaker 1: had in this group since Mike McCarthy has been the
Speaker 1: head coach, and probably going back to late nineties, as
Speaker 1: I said in a previous episode, So for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: now to have those kind of targets you can see
Speaker 1: why a quarterback really appreciates that and exactly what that
Speaker 1: does not only for him, but this entire offense now,
Speaker 1: whether it's the running game, the receivers opens up a
Speaker 1: lot of different options. Yeah, and it really stood out
Speaker 1: at Monday's practice as well. Which as far as the
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven work. In Monday's open practice, which was
Speaker 1: the last open o t A prior to the minicamp
Speaker 1: next week, they were doing red red zone goal line
Speaker 1: work and when they first kind of blew the horn
Speaker 1: for that eleven on eleven to start, they put the
Speaker 1: ball at the twenty yard line, you know, right there
Speaker 1: at the edge of the red zone. Very first play
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy Graham touchdowns. I mean it looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, it looked like these guys have been have
Speaker 1: been playing together for three or four or five years
Speaker 1: or something like that. And Rogers made the comment when
Speaker 1: you bring in veteran players like a Graham and like
Speaker 1: a Lewis, yes there's an adjustment period, but boy, that
Speaker 1: adjustment period is so much shorter than it is for
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback like Rogers. With receivers who are just
Speaker 1: getting into the league. And just getting their feet wet.
Speaker 1: It seems the Packers that you know, really there's a
Speaker 1: lot of young talent at receiver that Rogers is gonna
Speaker 1: have to work with to get up to speed. That's
Speaker 1: not as much the case at tight end. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: said the same exact thing when they signed Lewis, when
Speaker 1: they signed Byron Bell, when it asked about what is
Speaker 1: the process of getting them caught up? Out of all
Speaker 1: the transitions for anybody, it's the easiest bringing in a
Speaker 1: veteran that has experienced in the NFL, knows how a
Speaker 1: system is run, what is expected out of them, even
Speaker 1: if he is a minor transition to a new scheme.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that stands out to me too,
Speaker 1: when you go back and think about it, is that play.
Speaker 1: Now you've heard us say in the past with different players,
Speaker 1: Jared Cook among them, you know that first practice you
Speaker 1: really could see him make an impact. You could see
Speaker 1: him make the throws, and that's all well and good.
Speaker 1: What was intriguing about that past to Graham though, is
Speaker 1: it was almost an undefendable play where Rogers put the ball,
Speaker 1: getting it over the top of the shoulder, almost on
Speaker 1: and actually it ended up happening very similar to to
Speaker 1: Lewis from a pass from to Shaun Kaiser later in practice.
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of defensive back can do
Speaker 1: if there's no help over the top. Now, again it's
Speaker 1: one practice, one day, and it's organized team activities. They're
Speaker 1: basically you know, running around with without pads on. But
Speaker 1: it does show you the element that Jimmy Graham brings.
Speaker 1: And again getting back to that catch radius, it allows Rogers,
Speaker 1: who's so pinpoint precise and accurate, to really get creative
Speaker 1: with how he wants to be able to build those
Speaker 1: connections with those tight ends. Yeah, and getting back to
Speaker 1: what you said initially just about the sheer size of
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, there are things that that you
Speaker 1: talk about when coaches sit down to try to game
Speaker 1: plan on one side of the ball or the other.
Speaker 1: There are things that make them nervous. There are things
Speaker 1: that scare them. If there's one thing, aside from a
Speaker 1: quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, but if there's one thing schematically
Speaker 1: that can really scare a defensive coordinator, it's really big
Speaker 1: targets with speed running down the middle of the field. Now,
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis doesn't have the speed that he used to have.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit older. Um, he's more accomplished as
Speaker 1: a blocker and all that. But Jimmy Graham is a
Speaker 1: guy who's going to make teams have to figure out
Speaker 1: a different way to defend Aaron Rodgers. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the most exciting thing about this as we head
Speaker 1: into Yeah and then the thing is too is Lewis
Speaker 1: said he had an interesting little quip about how, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I might not be the as fast as
Speaker 1: I used to be. But he's also says don't sleep
Speaker 1: on him either, because if you want perfect film, As
Speaker 1: it was brought up in his first introductory news conference
Speaker 1: with the Green Bay media, go back and look at
Speaker 1: that London game last year against the Ravens. He had
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes in that game. Uh, just the remarkable
Speaker 1: performance because he was sneaking behind linebackers and they had
Speaker 1: no way to defend him. So that's the chess match
Speaker 1: there is. Now. Defense is trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: they're going to defend that, and the Packers trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how they can use all those different pieces
Speaker 1: to best exploit it. Something I think we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about a lot as unfolds. But with that, we're
Speaker 1: going to go to a breakback with more on Packers
Speaker 1: unscripted right after this Welcome back to Packers unscripted. Mike
Speaker 1: Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one, and
Speaker 1: West continuing our discussion of what we heard from Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers at his locker after Monday's practice. Made a few
Speaker 1: comments with regards to the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: and one of them that was very interesting is unprompted. Essentially,
Speaker 1: not nobody asked him about this particular player, but he said,
Speaker 1: the guy that he sees right now as the best
Speaker 1: player on the defensive side of the ball when he's
Speaker 1: been going through these these O t A sessions in
Speaker 1: practice is number thirty eight. It's the veterans, Herron Williams
Speaker 1: that the Packers have brought back. Aaron Rodgers certainly sees him,
Speaker 1: and the coaches have talked about it in the same way.
Speaker 1: He's an invaluable piece here to what the Packers are
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish on defense. Not only the connection to
Speaker 1: Mike Petton his veteran experience, all the young cornerbacks that
Speaker 1: have somebody who is a model pro to look up to.
Speaker 1: All of that is embodied in Tremont Williams. He's a
Speaker 1: big part of this team, for he is Mike and
Speaker 1: we are now in this day and age. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously there was the Darryl Greens of the world, but
Speaker 1: it is a young man's game and it's a young
Speaker 1: man's position. But you've seen a few guys, you know,
Speaker 1: Terence Newman being one of them, with the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: now at forty years old, coming back once again, although
Speaker 1: he has said this will be his last year. I
Speaker 1: see Tremon Williams is one of those guys. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at the age, look
Speaker 1: at thirty five and think, you know, it's a cornerback
Speaker 1: near the tail end of his career. As I wrote
Speaker 1: about an insider Inbox on Tuesday, if there's one player
Speaker 1: that you can see making a jump in year twelve
Speaker 1: is Tremont Williams. And there's two things that go behind
Speaker 1: that one. And I've talked about it before or in
Speaker 1: the show. Is the fact that there is a certain
Speaker 1: number of people that they take care of their body
Speaker 1: and they do the right things to keep themselves springy,
Speaker 1: to keep themselves athletic to keep themselves limber, and Tremont
Speaker 1: has checked all those boxes throughout his career. He's been
Speaker 1: doing that for five, six, seven years now. And then
Speaker 1: the other one too is the experience factor. Um cornerback.
Speaker 1: We only half of it is athleticism. The other half
Speaker 1: is knowing what you're doing out there and the best
Speaker 1: way to be able to defeat the receiver or defeat
Speaker 1: whatever your you know your assignment is going to be.
Speaker 1: Williams has done that. And the thing I like the
Speaker 1: most about Traumont is last year the league tried to
Speaker 1: push him out, they tried to get rid of him.
Speaker 1: He got cut by Cleveland, he was out of work
Speaker 1: for a few months. The Arizona Cardinals, looking for help,
Speaker 1: sign him on the fringe of you know, the right
Speaker 1: before the eve of training camp, and then in really
Speaker 1: two months, two and a half months, he ends up
Speaker 1: being a starting cornerback for them and played at a
Speaker 1: really high level opposite Patrick Peterson Truman. Williams still has
Speaker 1: a lot left in the tank. Yeah, he absolutely does.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing when you look at it watching him
Speaker 1: in these O t A practices. He's still back there,
Speaker 1: returning punts and stuff like that. Now, I don't think
Speaker 1: the Packers are gonna necessarily have him as the punt
Speaker 1: returner in teen, but you know, he's a guy. He
Speaker 1: talked about this too. He's never going to forget where
Speaker 1: he came from and what what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Not only you know his his upbringing and the fact
Speaker 1: that he went to a small school, Louisiana Tech and
Speaker 1: was and was undrafted and all that, but he got
Speaker 1: his break in the NFL as a punt returner starting
Speaker 1: as a special teams guy. Asked him about, you know,
Speaker 1: the basically the first big play he ever made in
Speaker 1: an NFL game in two thousand and seven, the Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers are lining up for a long field goal. They
Speaker 1: decided to snap it directly to the kicker. He pooch
Speaker 1: punts it down inside the ten yard line. Truman Williams
Speaker 1: runs back there, picks up the ball inside the ten
Speaker 1: and goes ninety four yards for a touchdown as part
Speaker 1: of a thirteen and three Packers season. You know Brett
Speaker 1: Farves last year in two thousand and seven, that's the
Speaker 1: play that put the guy on the map. It was
Speaker 1: a punt return and then everything has gone on from there.
Speaker 1: Obviously the big play in playoff run to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: all of that. He uh um, He's never going to
Speaker 1: forget where he came from. And that's a message that
Speaker 1: you know can resonate, whether it's with the first round
Speaker 1: draft pick in Jairo Alexander or the Donna Tello Browns
Speaker 1: on the roster who you know have been on the
Speaker 1: practice squad and they're trying to fight for a spot
Speaker 1: on the active roster. This is a guy that everybody's
Speaker 1: looking up to there. In my opinion, Mike, there are
Speaker 1: three different types of undrafted free agents. One is the
Speaker 1: guys that performed at a high level, but either because
Speaker 1: of the level of which they played or just the
Speaker 1: fact they didn't get enough respect, they didn't get drafted.
Speaker 1: Lane Taylor is one of them, for your starter at
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. There's also a certain amount of undrafted freegents
Speaker 1: that go undrafted because of something that happened off the field.
Speaker 1: But the third type is the guys that just were
Speaker 1: kind of raw prospects, the Sam Shields of the world,
Speaker 1: the guys that maybe make a late transition, or in
Speaker 1: Tremont Williams case, a guy that was a wasn't even
Speaker 1: really intending to play football right away, ends up being
Speaker 1: a walk on and then gradually work his way up
Speaker 1: and impresses. He is the quintessential story of an undrafted
Speaker 1: success story. Yeah, and he brings that experience back, and
Speaker 1: he also brings experience in Mike Petton's system, and the
Speaker 1: fact that he continues to play this at this level
Speaker 1: at this stage of his career tells you how badly
Speaker 1: he still wants it and how much he's still chasing
Speaker 1: another super Bowl ring. Yeah. In a really interesting comment
Speaker 1: he made as well, getting back to your earlier point
Speaker 1: about the smarts and the savvy that now he has
Speaker 1: after a dozen years in the league to go along
Speaker 1: with keeping that body limber and staying athletic. He was
Speaker 1: talking about the Packers young cornerbacks and he's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great to see them making plays out there. And
Speaker 1: they're making plays out there right now in practice because
Speaker 1: they have the athletic ability to do it. They're not
Speaker 1: making plays because they really know what's going on. He says,
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I kind of know what's
Speaker 1: going on, and that makes things easier. I don't have
Speaker 1: to be quite as athletic as a Jayra Alexander, you know,
Speaker 1: a rookie first round draft pick coming in to be
Speaker 1: able to do my job and to do it well.
Speaker 1: And that's the the problem in a sense, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, is that most guys don't get
Speaker 1: smart enough in this league until the athleticism has left them,
Speaker 1: and then they have to retire guys who were thirty
Speaker 1: five years old. They know everything about the game, but
Speaker 1: physically they can't keep up and play it anymore. Truman
Speaker 1: Williams long ago got those smarts and now he's he's
Speaker 1: keeping it going. Heck, you see that. Guys that are
Speaker 1: thirty one, you know, ninety awesome wa like those type
Speaker 1: of players that were the best of their ability, when
Speaker 1: things start to go down, they can't keep up. Truman
Speaker 1: Williams at every stage of his career, he's made sure
Speaker 1: he's doing the right things to keep himself physically, mentally,
Speaker 1: emotionally in this game and obviously invested towards winning a
Speaker 1: championship no doubt. With that, we're going to go to
Speaker 1: another break back with more on Packers Unscripted right after this.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes hodkoits
Speaker 1: over there. West. We spent a lot of time talking
Speaker 1: about the Packers offensive line and everything it went through
Speaker 1: Inen Justin McCrae as the super sub filling in wherever
Speaker 1: was needed. David Baktiar he earns another All Pro nod
Speaker 1: at left tackle, Lane Taylor really coming into his own
Speaker 1: as an undrafted guy and now a multi year starter
Speaker 1: at left guard. One guy in that group played every
Speaker 1: offensive snap for the Packers in seen for all the
Speaker 1: injuries the offensive line was dealing with, and that center
Speaker 1: Corey Linsley he heading into is in a very different
Speaker 1: position than where he was a year ago. He was
Speaker 1: and you know why it was so important he played
Speaker 1: every single offensive snap for the Packers last year because
Speaker 1: his backup was playing right tackle for most of the
Speaker 1: second half of last year, and then Lucas Patrick, who
Speaker 1: was the other backup at center, ended up finishing the
Speaker 1: year with a club. So it was pretty important that
Speaker 1: Corey Linsley played all one thousand whatever snapps. But as
Speaker 1: you said, Mike, going back to last year, he was
Speaker 1: entering a contract year, he was coming off an ankle surgery,
Speaker 1: and he said throughout the offseason program which he was
Speaker 1: not able to participate in mentally. As much as it
Speaker 1: it really stunk not to be able to be out there,
Speaker 1: he felt like he was in a better place because
Speaker 1: he finally had answers. The year before he had that
Speaker 1: hamstring injury that he couldn't really get a grip on. Well,
Speaker 1: it was all kind of stemming from this ankle injury.
Speaker 1: He finally got that cleaned up, and he was really
Speaker 1: putting a lot into being back for training camp and
Speaker 1: being able to go wire to wire. Now he didn't,
Speaker 1: he says he doesn't. He didn't have it on his board.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to play every single snap. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he did and then in the last
Speaker 1: week of the season got that big contract extension, I
Speaker 1: think showed him that he was still the player he
Speaker 1: always thought he was and he just needed to get
Speaker 1: that ankle fixed to be able to play at that
Speaker 1: level again. Because you go back to two thousand and fourteen,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of mirrors between those two seasons
Speaker 1: as far as what his role was. He had to
Speaker 1: be the guy because J. C. Truter was out in
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, he got thrown in there. He
Speaker 1: end up making all those starts very similar situation last
Speaker 1: year and he stepped up to the plate. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And Lindsley has always struck me as a very interesting
Speaker 1: guy because you look at you know, he's been with
Speaker 1: the Packers now since fifth round draft pick out of
Speaker 1: Ohio State. He's seen a lot of transition on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. He was kind of brought up, so to speak,
Speaker 1: by the t. J. Langs and the Josh Sittons of
Speaker 1: the world. Now, David baktr Brian Bulaga very much leaders
Speaker 1: in that offensive line room. Those are a lot of
Speaker 1: pretty distinct personalities. And Corey Lindsley is a very reserved
Speaker 1: and quiet guy, but yet he's always kind of got
Speaker 1: a smile on his face. He's always always willing to
Speaker 1: tell a little bit of a story about what's going
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. And um, no matter what, the
Speaker 1: personality is a very very respected member of that offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in a dry, you know, dry sense of humor too.
Speaker 1: That shall sometimes see pop up when he's retweeting, retweeting
Speaker 1: onion articles. But here's here's the thing. I go back to, Mike,
Speaker 1: You've been covering this team for a long time and
Speaker 1: I've been doing it now for five, six seven years.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting down with Aaron Rodgers. It was a
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen and the topic of conversation was the
Speaker 1: center position and the fact that he was then at
Speaker 1: that point on to his fourth different starting center in
Speaker 1: four years. He had Scott Wells, he had Jason Spitz,
Speaker 1: he had Jeff Saturday, and then it eventually became Evans Smith.
Speaker 1: And he said repeatedly in the two thousand twelve and
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen season, he wanted to be able
Speaker 1: to get on a run with a guy. Now, everybody
Speaker 1: thought that guy was gonna be J. C. Treader, but
Speaker 1: the injuries ended up popping up. When you talk about
Speaker 1: him being a respective member of the offensive line, in
Speaker 1: a respective member of that roster, the fact that he
Speaker 1: ended up becoming that guy to get on a run
Speaker 1: with Rogers and now is you know, in place here
Speaker 1: the next few seasons to stay there. That tells you
Speaker 1: not only how much Rogers thinks of him, but how
Speaker 1: much the organization thinks of the job he did. Because
Speaker 1: as a fifth rown pick, he was very specialized. Mike,
Speaker 1: you always talk about reserves being versatile. Corey Linsley is
Speaker 1: a center through and through that's the position he played.
Speaker 1: That's not to say he couldn't play elsewhere pure bread,
Speaker 1: but he's a pure Bread And the fact that he
Speaker 1: ended up getting that call in two thousand and fourteen
Speaker 1: and playing the way he did shows you how much
Speaker 1: of an expert, how much he's mastered that position, and
Speaker 1: you've just seen him grow now over the last five years.
Speaker 1: I just had this thought occurred to me as you
Speaker 1: were talking about Lindsley. What is it about the number
Speaker 1: sixty three in this franchise? Larry McCarron, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: James Camping, Scott Wells, now Corey Linsley. A lot of
Speaker 1: really really good centers that have played played for this team,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them have warned that same number.
Speaker 1: And if I know CAMPI he would probably say that
Speaker 1: it's Larry, Scott Wells, Corey Linsley and then James Camping
Speaker 1: down there. But he was pretty good, darn good in
Speaker 1: his own right as well. Yeah, he was with that.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to another breakback with moreen Packers unscripted.
Speaker 1: Right after this Welcome Back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford
Speaker 1: sitting next to West Hodko. It's West before we go,
Speaker 1: we definitely have to touch on what was a scary
Speaker 1: moment over this past weekend, but hopefully one that that
Speaker 1: everybody can kind of chuckle about when it's all said
Speaker 1: and done. And talking about that line drive in the
Speaker 1: charity softball game that Clay Matthews took right in the face,
Speaker 1: broke his nose. Sounds like he's having surgery sometime this
Speaker 1: week to get that squared away. UM, certainly glad that
Speaker 1: that Clay Matthews is okay. But one of those things
Speaker 1: that just falls under the category if you never know
Speaker 1: what the heck is going to happen. Sometimes no, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen in any walk of life, and and
Speaker 1: it's just one of those deals. And this could have
Speaker 1: easily been a you know, Packers dot Com Digital Department
Speaker 1: softball game and and something like that could always happen.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's unfortunate, but I think Mike McCarthy had
Speaker 1: really good perspective on it. You go back to what
Speaker 1: they were doing. Um, you know, it's in the name
Speaker 1: of a good cause, a charitable cause, and and Clay
Speaker 1: this year, along with Davante Adams, were actually the headliners
Speaker 1: of this event. For the first time with with Jordie
Speaker 1: Nelson now in Oakland, and you could tell this was
Speaker 1: something that Nelson took a lot of I'm sorry, Matthews
Speaker 1: took a lot of pride and the other thing to
Speaker 1: keep in mind into I guess it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of averages. They've been doing this for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: If you've covered any or if you've been to any
Speaker 1: of these softball games the last few years, Clay Matthews
Speaker 1: always pitches. He constantly does it. I think you know
Speaker 1: it's been doing it is probably since his rookie year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been the guy for a long time. So it
Speaker 1: just happened to be that. You know, it was an incident,
Speaker 1: an incident, but the fact that well one is in
Speaker 1: toughness is off the charts. That's what I was That's
Speaker 1: what I was going to say. How do you take
Speaker 1: a shot like that to the face? And I don't
Speaker 1: mean to make light of it at all, but how
Speaker 1: does that happen? He doesn't even buckle his knees, let alone,
Speaker 1: you know, go to the ground or anything. He just
Speaker 1: he puts his glove up over his face, which I
Speaker 1: talked to some people who were there and who saw it.
Speaker 1: I actually wasn't there at the time, but that you know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of blood obviously coming anytime you
Speaker 1: have a face facial injury like that, you know, the
Speaker 1: blood kind of comes in pretty heavy doses. He just
Speaker 1: put his glove up over his face and walked right
Speaker 1: off the field. And I mean I couldn't. I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1: There's there's no way I'd be able to even stay
Speaker 1: on my feet or think about going or doing anything
Speaker 1: if I took a took a shot like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes fans will confuse, you know, injuries
Speaker 1: and durability and think they're one and the same. Um,
Speaker 1: they're totally different things because what these guys played through
Speaker 1: and the toughness that they show. An example of that
Speaker 1: being I know Nick Perry has had a couple of
Speaker 1: injuries here in the past few years, but Nick Perry
Speaker 1: might be the toughest guy on the entire team with
Speaker 1: what he's played through. Um, and not even bad it.
Speaker 1: And I claim Matthews has played through a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you think of two thousand thirteen breaking his thumb once
Speaker 1: and but but end up being twice. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was able to get up
Speaker 1: and get off the field. They did stop the game
Speaker 1: for about a half an hour, but there was a
Speaker 1: pretty quick update saying that he's fine. Um that's the
Speaker 1: thing you go back to. As much as it sucks,
Speaker 1: you don't want to break your nose. It could have
Speaker 1: been a lot worse, you know, orbital injuries and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. So he's gonna have time here. That's
Speaker 1: the one silver lining to all this. As it is
Speaker 1: the beginning of June. They don't come back now until
Speaker 1: the end of July, so there'll be some time for
Speaker 1: him to recuperate and hopefully be good to go once
Speaker 1: training camp rolls around. Yeah, and as you mentioned Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's perspective, you know certainly wasn't going to step in
Speaker 1: and say, okay, you know, we need to stop this
Speaker 1: charity softball game. I mean, hey, it is for a
Speaker 1: good cause. It's been going on for a long time.
Speaker 1: This was a freak accident. After Matthew's injury, they put
Speaker 1: a protective screen up there for the picture. There are
Speaker 1: some things you can do here to protect these guys
Speaker 1: from a freak accident like that, or at least try
Speaker 1: your best to protect them from it. And I would
Speaker 1: think the charity softball game will will continue in Appleton,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing that screen will probably be out there
Speaker 1: now from now on. That's my takeaway in prediction. Not
Speaker 1: so bold there, but I think I think you're onto
Speaker 1: something with that. We're going to sign off on this
Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. We should have follow all of
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