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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field and West. Final week of o t A s

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Speaker 1: here for the Packers with the mandatory mini camp next

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Speaker 1: week wrapping up the off season program. We heard from

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at his locker on Monday, and it's most

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Speaker 1: likely the last time we're going to hear from Rogers

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Speaker 1: in in a media setting until training camp begins. One

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Speaker 1: thing that that really stood out to me from that

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Speaker 1: conversation with Rogers with reporters is, uh, he seems very

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Speaker 1: very excited and we've talked a little bit about this before,

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Speaker 1: but very very excited about what is rowing at the

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Speaker 1: tight end position here with the experience that Jimmy Graham

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Speaker 1: and Marcedes Lewis and Lance Kendricks bring at the top

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Speaker 1: of the depth chart at that position. Yeah, Mike, And

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Speaker 1: the thing is, and you've been around this to the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, being around the team, being in

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Speaker 1: the locker room at some of these events, if you

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Speaker 1: really can't appreciate how big. Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis

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Speaker 1: are until you stand in their presence. I was interviewing

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Speaker 1: Louis last week after he got signed, and I mean

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Speaker 1: there is a full foot and a half. It seems

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Speaker 1: like between him and I am being somewhat facetious, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it is just looking directly up and and

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham is very similar. Six ft six six, six

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Speaker 1: ft seven in Graham's case, that's just amazing catch, Radiers.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge catch, Radis. You can see why A.

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Speaker 1: Lewis was a first round pick back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: in the middle rounds, Jimmy Graham was such an intriguing

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Speaker 1: prospect after converting from basketball at the University of Miami, Florida.

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Speaker 1: So this one to combo along with Lance Kendricks being

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Speaker 1: back after a year in the system. If by no means,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is the most experienced the Packers have

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Speaker 1: head coach, and probably going back to late nineties, as

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Speaker 1: I said in a previous episode, So for Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: now to have those kind of targets you can see

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Speaker 1: why a quarterback really appreciates that and exactly what that

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Speaker 1: does not only for him, but this entire offense now,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the running game, the receivers opens up a

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Speaker 1: lot of different options. Yeah, and it really stood out

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Speaker 1: at Monday's practice as well. Which as far as the

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Speaker 1: eleven on eleven work. In Monday's open practice, which was

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Speaker 1: the last open o t A prior to the minicamp

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Speaker 1: for that eleven on eleven to start, they put the

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Speaker 1: at the edge of the red zone. Very first play

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy Graham touchdowns. I mean it looked like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it looked like these guys have been have

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Speaker 1: or something like that. And Rogers made the comment when

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Speaker 1: a Lewis, yes there's an adjustment period, but boy, that

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Speaker 1: adjustment period is so much shorter than it is for

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Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback like Rogers. With receivers who are just

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Speaker 1: It seems the Packers that you know, really there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of young talent at receiver that Rogers is gonna

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Speaker 1: not as much the case at tight end. Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: said the same exact thing when they signed Lewis, when

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Speaker 1: the process of getting them caught up? Out of all

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Speaker 1: the transitions for anybody, it's the easiest bringing in a

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that stands out to me too,

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Speaker 1: Now you've heard us say in the past with different players,

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Speaker 1: really could see him make an impact. You could see

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Speaker 1: What was intriguing about that past to Graham though, is

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Speaker 1: There are things that make them nervous. There are things

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Speaker 1: there is. Now. Defense is trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: going to go to a breakback with more on Packers

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Speaker 1: unscripted right after this Welcome back to Packers unscripted. Mike

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Speaker 1: Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one, and

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Speaker 1: West continuing our discussion of what we heard from Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers at his locker after Monday's practice. Made a few

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Speaker 1: and one of them that was very interesting is unprompted. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: been going through these these O t A sessions in

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Speaker 1: practice is number thirty eight. It's the veterans, Herron Williams

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Speaker 1: that the Packers have brought back. Aaron Rodgers certainly sees him,

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Speaker 1: He's an invaluable piece here to what the Packers are

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Speaker 1: trying to accomplish on defense. Not only the connection to

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Speaker 1: All of that is embodied in Tremont Williams. He's a

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Speaker 1: Obviously the big play in playoff run to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: looking up to there. In my opinion, Mike, there are

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Speaker 1: you don't want to break your nose. It could have

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Speaker 1: of that nature. So he's gonna have time here. That's

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Speaker 1: the beginning of June. They don't come back now until

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's perspective, you know certainly wasn't going to step in

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Speaker 1: charity softball game. I mean, hey, it is for a

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Speaker 1: good cause. It's been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 1: This was a freak accident. After Matthew's injury, they put

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Speaker 1: a protective screen up there for the picture. There are

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Speaker 1: some things you can do here to protect these guys

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Speaker 1: from a freak accident like that, or at least try

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Speaker 1: your best to protect them from it. And I would

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Speaker 1: think the charity softball game will will continue in Appleton,

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Speaker 1: and I'm guessing that screen will probably be out there

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Speaker 1: now from now on. That's my takeaway in prediction. Not

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Speaker 1: so bold there, but I think I think you're onto

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Speaker 1: something with that. We're going to sign off on this

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