1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks question for you, are you racists 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: if you prefer to hang out and live with members 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: of your own race? Well, one group in Arkansas has 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: taken that a little further and they're saying, not only 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: do we prefer to only live with our own kind, 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: we won't allow any other kinds into our neighborhood. And 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: First reaction when the headlines came out that a community 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: in Arkansas they were developed against white's only community in 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas. Just you're before you read into it, now, 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: how do you react to seeing a headline like. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Well, the reaction is that it's tribal mentality. It's exclusionary. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: Obviously people want to belong, but this is taking it 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: a step too far when you start excluding people saying 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: you can't live here. Look it maybe, and this is 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: debatable right now, we're figuring it out whether or not 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: it's legal or not. But moral ethical, I think it's sad. Actually, 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: I just think it's sad that you only want to 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: be around people who look like you, think like you, 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: and act like you. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: You said moral exclusionary, sad, Yeah, you didn't use the 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: word racist. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: Why because I, you know, I don't know it might like. 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't the firston that popped in my mind. Do 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: I think it's racist? I think it could be viewed 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: that way, and probably is. Their argument would be, we're 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: not doing anything towards anyone else, We're not having any 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: negative opinions or comments about anyone else. We just want 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: to be with our own kind. It does, yes, it 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: does feel racist to me. How about you? What do 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: you think? 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Immediately my head goes there because this isn't 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: new stuff. We've seen movements like this in the country 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: for decades and decades, and they pop up every now 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: and then, and usually they're defuncts because they just don't 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: work for one reason or another. But yeah, that's the 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to my history comes to mind. 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Where I read something anything white's only blacks only, automatically 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: will will go to racism. But for a lot of folks, 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard the story, you probably have, a 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: lot of people have been talking about it by now. 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: But the group is called Return to the Land. I've 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: actually never heard of them before now, and most racists 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: still excuse me, I'm not gonna label them, but most 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: groups that are I guess they don't call themselves a 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: white supremacist group. What's the word I've never heard the 47 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: phrase before ropes white identitarian? Oh, yes, I did, I've 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: never heard that. 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know what that was either, white identitarian. They 50 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: value their identity and they want to preserve it. 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: Just this group, Return to the Land is what they 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: call themselves. Theyve been around since twenty twenty three. But yes, 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Northwest Arkansas. They are building a community robes that they 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: say that you have to be a European ancestry and have. 55 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: To prove it, like with DNA with twenty three. 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: And me, I don't know what the back I actually 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: don't know that whatever. I didn't go through THESS some 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: client for membership. 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: Guess what You're not invited? 60 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: Well, oh no, I'm not invited. But they do. They 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: have a website, but they claim they have one hundred 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: and sixty acres in Northwest Arkansas. Their site says this 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: is a quote private membership association for individuals and families 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: with traditional views and European ancestry. That doesn't sound terrible, 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: does it? 66 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: What are traditional views? That would be my first question? 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: And yeah, it does sound awful. It sounds awful that 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: you want to cast out anybody who looks different than you, 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: thinks different than you. I mean this to me, I 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: believe it. You have to be a Christian as well, right, 71 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: They don't want non Christian, non European. So if you're Jewish, 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: even if you're white and full of European and you're 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: an atheist, or you're some other denomination you identify as Buddhist, whatever, 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be invited either. 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: You have to be a very certain thing to have 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: membership into this club. And that's a very what's the 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: best way to put it in their minds, a very pure, 78 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: traditional old mindset, anti diverse an idea that there is now. 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: They claim they're not saying they're a superior race, but 80 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: they don't want to have a constant mixing of the races. 81 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: They don't want to live in a multiracial, multicultural world 82 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: essentially and be exposed to it. They actually say, knock 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: yourselves out if anybody else wants to do that. And 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling you the guy that we'll get into somebody 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: his quotes, the guy who's been the spokesperson. He comes 86 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: out as non offensive as you've ever heard a white 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: separatist group sound. Because you're used to seeing all these 88 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: groups and a couple of people don't seem to have 89 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: it all together, yelling and screaming and spewing all kinds 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: of stuff. This guy is as calm as anything robes 91 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: you've ever seen, and saying some of the both backwards 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: things you've also ever heard. 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: It genuinely hurts my heart. It does because to me, 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: it's almost fear based, and you're almost inciting fear. Like 95 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: we don't want to We don't want to surround ourselves 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: with anyone who has any diverse thoughts. Forget even diverse backgrounds, 97 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: diverse cultures. We don't want anyone who has any diverse thoughts. 98 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: How is that a way forward? How is that a 99 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: way to live and to improve and to grow and 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: to learn? Aren't we here to learn and to love? 101 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I believe we are. And what do you 102 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: learn from people who think just like you, who look 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: just like you. It's as if you're trying to somehow 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: find some mental safety or some just you don't want 105 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: to feel like you have to question your own beliefs 106 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: or question how you were raised. You want to just 107 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: be in this vacuum, in this bubble of almost blissful ignorance, 108 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: and that is scary and sad to me. 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: But then a lot of us end up doing it. 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: The difference here is that they're actually putting up a 111 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: sign to say and says, nobody else is included. We often, 112 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: naturally in this country, separate ourselves. We do it on 113 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: our lunch break, we do it in our neighborhoods where 114 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: we decide to live. We do it at a party, 115 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: we'll find the group we're most familiar with. We always 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: do it. Now, obviously this is different because of what 117 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: he's saying, but some of his words Eric orwal is 118 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: his name. He's one of the founders of this group, 119 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and he says things roe that don't sound that offensive. 120 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: When you say it's not hate, it's love for your 121 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: own community, now that's not an offensive statement. 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: It's not an offensive statement. And I understand. I think 123 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: everyone understands. There are levels of comfort you find with 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: people who who have similar backgrounds. You can have similar ideology. 125 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: It's fun and maybe even pleasant to have a conversation 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: who doesn't think differently than you, because yeah, that's right, 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah me too. I agree same, and everybody likes that 128 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: here and there, But to not put yourself in a 129 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: situation where you're ever faced with rethinking how you look 130 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: at the world. That's a scary place. We all need 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: each other to open our hearts and open our minds, 132 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: not to close them off to anyone and everyone who 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: doesn't think like us. 134 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: They're trying to preserve they argue on identities we speak to, 135 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: on any other group in the country, trying to preserve 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: an identity of some kind in their culture and their community, 137 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Native American, African American. You can go through a number 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: of groups who say this is the goal, the aim. 139 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: The difference here being that he's actually excluding. So again 140 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: he's saying things that I don't necessarily if you don't 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: just say white, if you separate into I don't know, Irish, 142 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: they have their own day right for certain things Polish 143 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you could go through in like certain communities of white 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: people still celebrate particular culturals. He's just saying white American, 145 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: pure Christian. That's it, is what his argument is, and 146 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily argument. When you say you want to 147 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: preserve black culture or Native American culture or whatever it is, 148 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: you're not making an argument that we don't want any 149 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: other influence, that we don't want to even expose our 150 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: cultures to our culture. This comes off different. But again 151 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: he has a long like a ten minute video that 152 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: he sits and he explains very calmly and reasonably. You 153 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: could argue, even if you're against the idea of what 154 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: he's doing, he makes a non racist argument for what 155 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: he's doing because he says they don't think they're better 156 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: than anybody. 157 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: He says, we are not a hate group, we are 158 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: not a white nationalist group. We are not trying to 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: get sovereignty. And he's and he makes the point. And 160 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: this is where it is questionable because there are some 161 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: legal questions that they are on their own private land 162 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: and not taking anything from any other community. 163 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: Which is true. 164 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: What do you think about the idea. 165 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: Knock yourselves out like I'm not in a and I 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: think you could argue that I and many Americans should 167 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: be upset or bothered by this just as a whole 168 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: for our country land. We got to be better than that. 169 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: We shouldn't be doing this, and that is all true. 170 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: I am just not that fired up and worked up 171 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: about a group of folks wanting to go on their 172 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: own do their own thing, and not bother me or 173 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: anybody I love. Right. I used to toll this growing 174 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: up as a kid, like, we don't mind if there's 175 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: a Confederate flag outside the house. At least we know 176 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: which place is to stay away from. Like do it 177 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: in plain sight, don't hide and me have to wonder, 178 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and then you come get me in the night. No, 179 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: identify who you are and see kids. Don't go by 180 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: that house. You see kids at one hundred and sixty 181 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: acres over there, don't get anywhere near it. Okay, identify 182 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: yourself and I'm gonna move on. I don't have a 183 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: lot of energy and time for being worked up about 184 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: people that have this mindset. 185 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: It's so interesting you put it the way you just did. 186 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: I was reading some of the comments on several of 187 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: these articles and one stood out to me, and you 188 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: just almost set it verbatim. As a black man, I say, 189 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: let them have their community. I much rather know what 190 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: I am doing dealing with then to have to deal 191 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: with those that claim they are not biased but really 192 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: are in disguise. Post a road sign so I can 193 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 2: keep on moving. Since my youth many years ago, when 194 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: this whole integration movement started. My very wise mother taught 195 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: us that if people do not want to be around you, 196 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: then forcing them will not work. Comedian Red Fox once joked, 197 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: if you pass through a town and see that small 198 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: black iron jockey on the lawn, don't get angry. Set 199 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: a small iron white jockey out on your lawn. 200 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't know that quote was in there, that 201 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: you had that one ray to rock. But it's that 202 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: simple for a lot. And we've been taught this since 203 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: we were kids. And this idea is this isn't new stuff. 204 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there were places again these I don't have 205 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: the name because I didn't know it. The one in 206 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest called the Northwest Imperative Movement. In the 207 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, there was a whole movement of white 208 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: supremacists saying they should take that land in northwest Arkansas 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: and start their excuse me, northwest part of the country, 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, have their own new white country. Knock yourselves out. 211 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: It's pretty white over there already. Any So that was 212 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: kind of somewhat part of the thinking. So these things 213 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: pop up their communities right now that are whites only 214 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: they're not doing well. But these white supremacist movements, they're 215 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: just not new stuff. But it got me to thinking 216 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: about how we all think, how we all behave, how 217 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: we all have a tribal mentality. Sometimes don't we naturally 218 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: just separate? We do all we do? 219 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: We do we do, But I do think, especially like 220 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: a city like New York City, a lot of urban 221 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: areas where you do have a just an integration by 222 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: logistics alone, how much better and more interesting and fuller 223 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: is your life? And knowing how to deal with other 224 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: things that life throws at you. When you're around people 225 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: from all different walks of life, from not just a 226 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: racial standpoint, but from a socioeconomic from just a language burier, 227 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: you just learn about not only other people, but about yourself. 228 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: And isn't part of what we're supposed to do to connect? 229 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: We're all humans, you know? Race. I like those T 230 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: shirts that say that where is that in all of this? 231 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: And when you think about it, they say they're not 232 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: a hate group, But isn't that hate? Isn't that hate 233 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: to completely say no one else is allowed unless you 234 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 2: look like us, unless you believe what we believe. Isn't 235 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: that hate? Now? 236 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm making a very technical definition argument to what you're 237 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: saying is that you can want to be around your 238 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: own not thinking you're better than another, not thinking I 239 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: want to want something negative to happen to that race, 240 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: so keep that race suppressed, to keep somebody else down. No, no, no, no, 241 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: we're just saying we're here to this is his argument. 242 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: We're just here to preserve our own race. Now, yes, 243 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: you can make a technical argument for that. But if 244 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: you're saying nobody else is allowed to this special thing 245 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: we have because we need to preserve it, saying we're 246 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: not trying to taint it because you and your black 247 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: ass coming in here. 248 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: With tainted tainted how but that is hate to act. Yeah, 249 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: to act as if having someone from another race or 250 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: another color are or another background would taint your You 251 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: kept using the word pure, and that was always that 252 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: was just throwing me, because pure what the color, the ideology, 253 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: your heart, your intent, comor genetics. That's ridiculous, sounds very look, 254 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: that sounds very nazi esque to me. That's very concerning, 255 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: And to me it sounds like it's the first step 256 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: towards something that could evolve into something violent, to evolve 257 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: into a certain mindset. You're raising these kids with this mindset, 258 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: this ideology that you're separate from others because you can't 259 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: be tainted by other skin colors and other ideas coming 260 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: in and threatening you or tainting you like that's that's disturbing. 261 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: That is a very scary mindset. 262 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: But so many of us, like we said, we have 263 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: done it robes in hilarious ways. We will explain a 264 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: recent graduation party in which we looked in our apartment 265 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: and all the black folks will over here and all 266 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: the white folks were over there. But also that is 267 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: typical of this country. 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Welcome back to this 286 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: edition of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about 287 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: a white only community in Arkansas that wants to expand 288 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: into Missouri. And then they say their goal is to 289 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: expand in all fifty states. It's the group's name is 290 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: called Return to the Land, and the group founder says, 291 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: this freedom means you're allowed to discriminate privately if you choose. 292 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: That is up for interpretation. However, legally speaking. 293 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: There will be some lee and we haven't mentioned yet 294 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: that the Attorney General of Arkansas has said he is 295 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: investigating this group. Obviously, you're not allowed, as a public entity, 296 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: a business, anybody who operates with the public to discriminate 297 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: like this, But hey, there have been clubs, golf clubs 298 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: and things, private men's clubs around the country who've gotten 299 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: heat for being a whites only or men's only type club. 300 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: Is this legal? I really do not know, and I 301 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: really I said it before we've took a break. Do 302 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: not care really what these people do and how they 303 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: do it. I see them. I know what part of 304 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas when I go back to the university for 305 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: a game in Faydeville, which they are, I think just 306 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: south of Faydeville, I know what area to stay away from. Fine, 307 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: and I just move on. But this got me to 308 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: thinking about so often how we do end up robes. 309 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: Naturally we call it tribalism sometimes, but we naturally gravitate 310 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: towards our own, to black folks, white folks, Asian folks, 311 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: whoever it may be. And you look at a city 312 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: like New York and we talk about the diversity, and 313 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: it is you cannot you can't survive in this city 314 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: without being We talk about reason. They walk down the street, 315 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: go blocks. I ain't heard an English in block. 316 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: I think that was yesterday we did. I don't think 317 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: we heard English for at least five. 318 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: Blocks in that regard. We are very diverse all over 319 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: the city, but Rome's we live and operate separately. Study 320 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: by the University of California at Berkeley's was from several 321 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: years ago. They found that in the thirty years between 322 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and twenty nineteen, that most of the metropolitan 323 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly eighty percent of the metropolitan areas in this country 324 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: became more segregated than less. 325 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: That's wild. 326 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: So the country's becoming more diverse, and we are becoming 327 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: more segregated through neighborhoods. Nowhere is it more evident. We 328 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: celebrate this diversity, But how do we live here separated? 329 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: We do. 330 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: There's a Chinatown back this way towards us, there's a 331 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: Korea Town. And it gets even more specific than that. 332 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's little Italy, big ones all No, those are 333 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: the big ones, right, But in the Bronx, you've got 334 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: little Ireland in Brooklyn, you've got little Haiti and Harlem, 335 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: you have little Senegal. Where's little India. 336 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: I think that's let's say Queens because we have a Curry. 337 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: So there's Hill. So there's Murray Hill, and people call 338 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: it Curry Hill because there's a lot of Indian restaurants 339 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: and spice shops, and so it actually smells like Curry. 340 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: It really does when you walk in that area. I've 341 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: lived there, so my daughters went to school there, So 342 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: Curry in a hurry was right on the corner of 343 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: their school right there. So yes, that's very much a documentary. 344 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: It is. It's Queens. It's Queens. 345 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: It's Queens. Okay, Okay, Little Odessa, Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, Little 346 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: Guyana in Queens. So yeah, just in this city alone, 347 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: in the five boroughs, we have segments and we have 348 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 2: parades devoted to those communities. I think they just had 349 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: the Dominican parade last weekend, But it seems like every 350 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: weekend there's another nationality celebrating their heritage. 351 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: Even that we think about diversity. I literally in my 352 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: hometown tracks you literally on one side of the tracks 353 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: or the other. And my folks started doing well enough 354 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: to we moved to the other side of the tracks 355 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: where the white folks were, and we were the only 356 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: black family in that neighborhood, the only one when we moved. 357 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: It got a little more diverse over the years, but 358 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: I grew up that way. I went to a school, 359 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: my elementary school all black kids until we moved on 360 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: the other side of the tracks where I was one 361 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: of the few black kids. Literally, this is how we now. 362 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: There are plenty of things historically that explained this, and 363 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: rules and redlining and ways that kept black folks from 364 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: having access. Yes, we still feel that, but naturally robes 365 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: don't you don't you Why is it we naturally do 366 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: that because we want somebody to relate to. 367 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people want to belong and the easiest 368 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: way if you physically look at someone and then there. 369 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: You know, we've even we talk about this all the time. 370 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: We still want to do a full podcast on this. 371 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: But how much we didn't realize culturally how differently our 372 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: tastes are from you know, just or just references are 373 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: even though we're around the same age, grew up around 374 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: the same area, but we have such different experiences being 375 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 2: white and being black. And that's you know, people have 376 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: to get out of their comfort zone in a lot 377 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: of ways, and so people prefer to stay where they 378 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: feel seen and understood and they belong and it just 379 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: feels it feels safer, it feels more natural. But there 380 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: is so much you lose in those moments. Look, I 381 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: went to a high school, twenty four hundred kids in 382 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: that high school. It's now much more diverse than it was. 383 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: But when I went to school, six hundred something kids 384 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: in my grade, not one black student, not one black teacher, zero, 385 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: not a nothing. My parents, they could do a whole 386 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: story in this. My mom was raised in Benton Harbor, 387 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: which is predominantly black. My dad was raised across the 388 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: river in Saint Joe, which was lily white, and their 389 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: two experiences were significantly different and actually caused problems between 390 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: the families a little bit with the start of their relationship. 391 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: But a river separated the two communities. 392 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I knew I always liked your mom. She gets it, 393 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: she gets me. 394 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: You guys do get each other. I will I will 395 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: say that much for sure. 396 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Well to your point, though, it does help right when 397 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: you're exposed, and these are funny little stories about it. 398 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: We had trying to think of this same No. Two 399 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: two both having to do with you, because the majority 400 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: of my friends are black, the guys I go hang 401 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: out with brothers all the time. I don't ever just 402 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: go out with a white guy. 403 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: We just you just did actually last week. That's the 404 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: first one. 405 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: He's from Australia, and he lives in California. We don't 406 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time together, even though I love him. 407 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: But my point there still being we went out. This 408 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: was a few months back, and it was one of 409 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: the rare times I took you out with my peeps. 410 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: It ended up being a big, bigger deal. But at 411 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: the gymmy here in downtown New York, up on the roof, 412 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: group of ten, you were the only white girl in 413 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: the group. 414 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: And that was the first time in my life I'd 415 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: ever been in a group dynamic like that. Obviously I've 416 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: had plenty of and friend groups and going out, but 417 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: I had never been the only white person in a group. 418 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: Was amazing. 419 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: It was amazing. Had I had an amazing night. It 420 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: was a blast. 421 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: We gave you a hard time. We didn't go to 422 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: a black place. We just happened to be at the 423 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: place and our group was ten and you were the 424 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: only white girl. And that was nothing too. Obviously, it's 425 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: no igdeal, it's nothing to it, but it was interesting 426 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: that here we are. I went out with a group, 427 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, a group that big and there's no diversity 428 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: in it. Why do I end up in a group 429 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: like that? Why do I surround myself. It's just naturally. 430 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't give it a thought, but 431 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: that's who my friend group is. The other one was 432 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: your daughter's graduation. How many people were at the house 433 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: for that. 434 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: I would say fifty, yeah, avas graduation, Yes, coming and 435 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: going like all fifty And. 436 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: What would you say the breakdown black to white ones 437 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: percentage wise? Thirty percent? 438 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna say maybe like twenty five to seventy five. 439 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: Twenty five black, seventy five white. 440 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. That's fair enough. I will get on 441 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: board with that. And it wasn't long. It's just naturally happened. 442 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: The way our place is divided, and the kitchen and 443 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: the dining area over here, and the lounging areas over 444 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: to one side, and robes you look up. We didn't 445 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: think about it or anything. All the black folks are 446 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: on one side, all the white folks are on the other. 447 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. It wasn't that way the whole time, 448 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: but it eventually evolved into that. And I remember thinking 449 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: as I saw people I was I was hanging out 450 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: with the black folks at that point, and I was like, wait, 451 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: this is kind of weird. All the white people are 452 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: on one side all the we were all in the kitchen, right, 453 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: that's what it ended up happening. But yes, and we 454 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: had to kind of take a moment and laugh, like, wow, 455 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: that just naturally happened. We get that, we understand it 456 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: makes sense. 457 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: But there's also nothing wrong with wanting to hang around 458 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: folks that are like you. There's nothing wrong for wanting 459 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: to hang out with a more diverse group. There's nothing 460 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: wrong and there's nothing racist about doing it. It's racist 461 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: to exclude someone from your group, period. That's the part 462 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: that's gotta be problem. 463 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: Based solely on the color of their skin and the 464 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: beliefs they hold, not based on anything else. And they 465 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: don't even know anybody else they're excluding. It's just if 466 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: you don't look like us, if you don't believe what 467 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: we believe, you are not welcome. 468 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: So are we supposed to now as we close up, 469 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: we're supposed to to shake our heads at this and go, 470 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: oh man, what a shame this is where we are, 471 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: or somebody and people our age look at something like 472 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: this and go, eh, that's about right. Like nothing. We 473 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: grew up in the South, you in the Midwest as well, 474 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: but these things just don't surprise me. And I didn't. 475 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean at not a bit. My heart rate didn't 476 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: go up one beat. 477 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: They don't surprise me. But I think the best way 478 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: for me to put it is that it just it 479 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: saddens me because we need to be going in the 480 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: other direction. And again I agree, you can't force people 481 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: to like each other, you can't force people to accept 482 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: each other. But when you are forced, especially like in 483 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: a city like New York City, where you are forced 484 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: to see witness, understand watch, maybe maybe you you'll see 485 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: the beauty somewhere where you didn't before. Maybe you'll see 486 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: how you can be a better human where you wouldn't 487 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: have before had you not had that experience, experience and 488 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: diversity and seeing the world. That to me is part 489 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: of bringing us all together. The separatism, I guess a 490 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: lot of folks say, and I understand. If you're going 491 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: to feel that way and that's how you're going to be, 492 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: and you're not going to change, and none of us 493 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: can change anyone else truly, then maybe it is better 494 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: if they're on their own, far away from everyone else. 495 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't love it, I don't endorse it, 496 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: but you know, perhaps to what you said and what 497 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: that man wrote in the comment section. You know, the 498 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: devil you know is better the one you don't. I mean, 499 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: that's basically what we're saying. 500 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: I mean, look, yes, I wish we could all do better. 501 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: I wish these things weren't still happening, but they are, 502 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: and things actually have gotten worse in some respects as diverse. 503 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: As much as we celebrate the diversity of this country, man, 504 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: something like this comes, I think, Wow, we still got 505 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: a ways to go. But it was interesting, and think 506 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: about that if you can. Folks today, who do you 507 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: hang around and why? I really ask yourself that honest question. 508 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Who do you hang around and why? Is because just 509 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: just my friend group who I'm comfortable with, or are 510 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: you actually uncomfortable with another group? That's possible, but ask 511 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: yourself that question. But this was a debate that should 512 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: be had without heat, if you will, we should all 513 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: calmly examine what's happening, what we're all doing. 514 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good plan, and I know 515 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: we've been doing that today and we hope you will 516 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: as well. Thank you for listening to us on this Monday. 517 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robach on behalf of my partner TJ. Holmes. 518 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening and we'll see you soon.