WEBVTT - Crabs Eat Everything Around Me, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>My Day. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, the

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<v Speaker 1>production of My Heart Radio. Hey you, welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're gonna be talking about crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this will be the first episode in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a series that we're doing here at least two

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<v Speaker 1>parts to this, because the crabs are ravenous and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking all about crabs eating things. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a holiday tradition for us. So

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<v Speaker 1>I figured how many years ago it was that we did, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we did Christmas Crabs. We talked about the Crabs of

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Island as our Christmas episode and and so it

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<v Speaker 1>feels appropriate that as we enter into the holiday season

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<v Speaker 1>here with in November and December, that we should return

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<v Speaker 1>to the world of crabs and the feasts that crabs

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<v Speaker 1>engage in. Have you ever noticed how the crabs come

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<v Speaker 1>earlier every year? At least it feels that way. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>anyway that this will be a feast day of an episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because will all be about crabs feasting sometimes things feasting

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<v Speaker 1>on crabs, mostly what crabs themselves feast on. It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>how crabs are are a natural source of feasting related content. Uh, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>I I think you saw my note about this beforehand,

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<v Speaker 1>but I discovered the strangest Google results phenomenon before we

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<v Speaker 1>came in here. What I found out earlier today was

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<v Speaker 1>that when I do a Google search for crabs, it's

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<v Speaker 1>five letter word crabs. You'd think the first result would

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<v Speaker 1>be what like Wikipedia page for this animal, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>the first result is seafood restaurants featuring crabs. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sell me some crab legs and drawn butter. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the second result is the is like a health

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<v Speaker 1>node about pubic lice. And then finally the third thing

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<v Speaker 1>and the result is about the actual animals, the decapod crustaceans. Well, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>after you mentioned this, I had to try it out

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<v Speaker 1>for myself, and granted, and I'm not going in like

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<v Speaker 1>fresh you know, I do use Google quite a bit. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So for me, when I did a search for

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<v Speaker 1>crabs c R A B s um, the number one

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<v Speaker 1>hit is sponsored seafood content, but then it's the wiki

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<v Speaker 1>for the decapod crustaceans, and then it's pubic lice in

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<v Speaker 1>number at number three. Um. And then it's more pubic lice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's some stuff about the crab nebula I

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<v Speaker 1>think video content about the crab nebula uh, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's back to pubic lice once more, before rounding out

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<v Speaker 1>page one search results with the Britannica dot com article

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<v Speaker 1>about decapod crustaceans. Okay, so as our top three go,

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<v Speaker 1>basically Google just thinks I'm going to be more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in uh in in the lice than you are. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea, I mean it could. I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>were both probably searching for crabs all morning um and

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps you know, in days before as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like, I mean, I don't know how these

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<v Speaker 1>algorithms work, but it seems like they would have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into their robotic minds that these are gentlemen who are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in decapod us stations and we should serve them

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<v Speaker 1>up even more. It guy, I don't know, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries in there. Who knows the mind of the machine

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<v Speaker 1>crabs that that order all those results for us? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to come back to uh this uh

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<v Speaker 1>image and amber. So there's a study that was just

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<v Speaker 1>published in Science Advances earlier this year by Javier Luquay

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<v Speaker 1>at all and it was called Crab and Amber reveals

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<v Speaker 1>an early colonization of non marine environments during the Cretaceous.

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<v Speaker 1>So this discovery concerns a fossil found in a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of amber mind in modern day me and Mar dating

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<v Speaker 1>back roughly a hundred million years or so, so squarely

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the Cretaceous period, containing a remarkably

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<v Speaker 1>well preserved specimen of a crab bearing the author's note,

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<v Speaker 1>large compound eyes, delicate mouthparts, and even gills. Basically, it's

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<v Speaker 1>wholly intact. The whole thing is in there. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite impressive looking in the way that it is um

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<v Speaker 1>its body. It's position too, it looks like it is

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing up its clause and defensive position that we've

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<v Speaker 1>all seen and I think, or if you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>it in person, you've probably seen a picture of it,

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<v Speaker 1>of a crab like on the beach saying stand back, mammal,

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<v Speaker 1>do not make me pinch you. Um. So it's as

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<v Speaker 1>if through you know, across uh, this is vast stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of time, the crab is warning us to stay back

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<v Speaker 1>with such ferocity that the very forces of geology like

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<v Speaker 1>conspired to preserve this this uh, this stance it's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, maybe I maybe I sound silly, but I

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<v Speaker 1>give this image five out of five coal wal hoads.

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<v Speaker 1>I am profoundly stirred by this crab trapped in amber.

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<v Speaker 1>And and not just because it you know, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like that haunting mosquito and amber prop from Jurassic Park. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But but there's something a little bit more to this too,

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<v Speaker 1>because it raises these questions like, how did a crab

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<v Speaker 1>dred million years ago get stuck in tree resin to

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<v Speaker 1>become part of a fossilized piece of amber. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer to this, but the researchers hypothesized, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this was a crab that lived a partially arboreal lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>There are crabs today that climb trees as part of

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<v Speaker 1>their lifestyle, so maybe this crab was climbing trees for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. Uh and uh, and and maybe it's also

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<v Speaker 1>just because it causes you to realize that crabs existed

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<v Speaker 1>and we're already beginning to come out of the oceans

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<v Speaker 1>to move inland from the beaches a hundred million years

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<v Speaker 1>ago when dinosaurs were at their apex. And I always

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<v Speaker 1>love those realization moments where you have like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>animals of this kind and this kind actually did live

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<v Speaker 1>alongside one another terrestrial dinosaurs and terrestrial or semi terrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>crabs and Robert, I think you'll be very familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the the the did they fight mindset. Right as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as you imagine that, the my sort of like eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old boys rain starts going did they ever fight

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<v Speaker 1>each other? Dinosaurs versus crabs? I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>of a fight that would have been, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>more more relevantly I could say, did they ever eat

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<v Speaker 1>one another? And? Uh, you actually gotta give you credit

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<v Speaker 1>because you turned up the source on this for the

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<v Speaker 1>copper light study that found a pretty good case that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the eating was going one way. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>the details of this I was surprised at because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not not to say that that some like smaller, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>beachcombing dinosaur wasn't also hunting and gobbling up crabs. But

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence here points to a different mode of consumption. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a study published in Scientific Reports in UH.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead author was a Professor Karen Chin, who is

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<v Speaker 1>Curator of Paleontology at Colorado University Boulders Museum of Natural History.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh so this was by by chin Feldman and

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<v Speaker 1>Tashman called consumpt of Crustaceans by mega herbivorous Dinosaurs, dietary flexibility,

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<v Speaker 1>and dinosaur life history strategies. So this is a copper

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<v Speaker 1>light study, and you've gotta love a copper light study.

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<v Speaker 1>Copper light, of course, is fossilized animal dung. This is

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<v Speaker 1>dung that has become a mineral of the Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>the top line on this is that, uh collections of

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<v Speaker 1>fossilized dinosaur feces from seventy five million years ago found

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<v Speaker 1>in modern day Montana revealed that some giant herbivorous dinosaurs

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<v Speaker 1>weren't always strictly herbivorous. Now, this would not be the

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<v Speaker 1>first time a subject like this has come up on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before. I think it was in our episodes

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<v Speaker 1>on the Minotaur that we talked about evidence of bovines

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<v Speaker 1>cows and bulls and related animals sometimes eating flesh and

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to their mostly vegetable diets. But it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe something similar was going on with giant herbivorous dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 1>So these feces probably belonged to hadrosaur wars or the

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<v Speaker 1>duck build dinosaurs. And it looks from the contents of

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<v Speaker 1>these copper lights like these giant herbivores sometimes would supplement

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<v Speaker 1>their vegetable diets by eating rotten wood and crustaceans. You

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<v Speaker 1>can tell by these uh these remains preserved in the

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<v Speaker 1>fossilized dung, which are full of wood, fiber and crustacean shells. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>this this raises these wonderful questions like how did this happen? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>And you could imagine it's possibly some kind of accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a duck build dinosaur is eating a rotten log

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, trying to get some kind of nutrients

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<v Speaker 1>from all this rough rotten wood, and the rotten log

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<v Speaker 1>just happens to be full of crabs. But to come

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<v Speaker 1>back against that, against the accident hypothesis, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to read briefly from the press release describing this study

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<v Speaker 1>quote the size of the crustacean shell bits in the

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<v Speaker 1>copper lights indicate the crustaceans were at least two inches

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<v Speaker 1>in length and perhaps larger UH. And this is according

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<v Speaker 1>to the lead author Karen Chin. Individual crustaceans comprised from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six of the width of a common had resour beak,

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting it was unlikely that crustaceans were unwittingly swallowed. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is, it looks like whatever these crustaceans were,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they were crabs. We don't know for sure what

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<v Speaker 1>they were, but there have been fossilized crab claws found

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<v Speaker 1>from around the same area and going back even further

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<v Speaker 1>in time. So there were crabs around. These crustacean shells

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<v Speaker 1>could have belonged to crabs that were smashed up too

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<v Speaker 1>much in the in the copper light to know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but they could have been crabs, and they would have

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<v Speaker 1>been big enough that it kind of seems unlikely they

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<v Speaker 1>just accidentally went into the had resour's mouth. Seems like

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<v Speaker 1>the hadrosour would kind of have to choose to eat

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<v Speaker 1>the crab. Yeah, I mean, I'm also for me, it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes me wondered, like what was the digestive system

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<v Speaker 1>of a hadrosaur, Like it was just it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>an industrial processing plant, you know, it's just rotten wood. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all these these are these these fairly large like

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<v Speaker 1>whole crustaceans and or their shells embedded in it and

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<v Speaker 1>you just you just eat that down because you're still hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>And it may not have been about just obtaining raw

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<v Speaker 1>calories like they may have been searching for a specific

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<v Speaker 1>nutrient like we see in some other cases of otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>herbivorous animals sometimes eating say bones or something, where they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking out certain types of minerals, maybe calcium or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been the case that maybe eating eating

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<v Speaker 1>crustaceans like crabs for the hadrosaurs was linked to the

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<v Speaker 1>reproductive cycle. They may have been seeking to bulk up

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<v Speaker 1>on calcium or something. We don't know though, but oh

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the answer there, I just I love it so

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<v Speaker 1>mega herbivorous or so called herbivorous dinosaurs eating crabs or

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<v Speaker 1>crab like crustaceans seventy five million years ago and crabs

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred million years ago getting frozen in amber for

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<v Speaker 1>all of time. Uh, it just it just fills my

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I got butter flies under my skin, all

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<v Speaker 1>over my limbs. It's like this makes me so happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for the crabs though this is just another

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<v Speaker 1>couple of pages in the history of the crab planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well right, because it all it raises the question going

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<v Speaker 1>the other way, the one we're saying we didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we could answer. But so it looks like some

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaurs in some cases eight crabs or crab like animals,

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<v Speaker 1>other crustaceans. But the other question would be did crabs

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<v Speaker 1>ever eat dinosaurs? I don't know about you. I could

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<v Speaker 1>not find anything, any evidence to directly address that question.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I know, there is no physical evidence

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<v Speaker 1>anybody is aware of, uh to settle this issue. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, if we can't find an answer to

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<v Speaker 1>the question, based on everything else we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in the series, I think I would argue that

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<v Speaker 1>in the absence of any evidence, our default assumption should

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<v Speaker 1>be yes. I believe so. I think based on what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about the nature of crabs in general and

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of things they do eat, it it only

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense that that they would they would partake of

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaur meat if they came across it in their environment.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I say, from here on out, for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the series, we're just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at crabs eating all kinds of stuff. So, uh so, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're ready, let's let's begin the crab feast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, just like with human face, it's not enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know what you're going to be eating, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>also about how you're going to eat, uh, you know that,

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<v Speaker 1>So we should we should probably start there with how

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<v Speaker 1>crabs go about, uh consuming their various feasts. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>crabs are of course a a diverse subgroup of the

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<v Speaker 1>order of decapod crustaceans. So the decapod is in having

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet. They are crustaceans, so they're you know, creatures

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<v Speaker 1>with an exoskeleton. In order to grow bigger, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to molds theft to shed their hard exoskeleton and come

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<v Speaker 1>out with a soft one, while they can rapidly increase

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<v Speaker 1>in size and then reharden that. Crabs of course live

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<v Speaker 1>in all kinds of environments. They originally come from the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>but over time and evolutionary history, like we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the crab preserved in amber, they started to move out

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<v Speaker 1>away from the ocean and eventually into freshwater environments, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are even land crabs. So as to the question

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<v Speaker 1>of how and what do crabs normally consume, well, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of different species of crabs, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them have different dietary specialization. So there's no one

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that question, but if you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of be general overall, it seems like the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of crabs are not especially picky. Uh. Many crabs appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be omnivorous opportunists who will eat pretty much anything

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<v Speaker 1>they can shove into their mouths, and this can include

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<v Speaker 1>everything from vegetation just gobbling up algae and fresh plant

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<v Speaker 1>material leaf litter to UH to eating meat of course,

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<v Speaker 1>scavenging scavenging carry in which crabs do a lot, or

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<v Speaker 1>just getting little bits of organic or animal detritus, to

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<v Speaker 1>actively hunting live prey with their claws, which some crabs

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<v Speaker 1>do so as to diet. Crabs are all over the map.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next thing I wanted to mention this was

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<v Speaker 1>new information to me when when I was getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode. So animal bodies, you know, they've usually

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<v Speaker 1>got some kind of special equipment to help them extract

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<v Speaker 1>the maximum amount of nutritional value from their food, and

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<v Speaker 1>this often involves either chemically or mechanically breaking down the

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<v Speaker 1>food from its original form, often to increase the surface

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<v Speaker 1>area or the ease of access to nutrients by the

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<v Speaker 1>digestive system. So there might be some kind of chemical

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown as well, so you know, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment you've got. Humans have teeth that we chew

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<v Speaker 1>with and that that mashes food up and to increased

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<v Speaker 1>surface area. You've got gastric acid secreted by the cells

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<v Speaker 1>in the lining of your stomach. But then you know

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<v Speaker 1>they're all kinds of other strategies. Spiders will vomit digestive

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<v Speaker 1>enzymes over and into their prey to uh sort of

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the nutritious parts down to a fluid or mush

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<v Speaker 1>that they can then slurp up with the mouth. And

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<v Speaker 1>they also do have a form of chewing with their

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<v Speaker 1>jaws what you are called chillissary. But crabs have one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most glorious digestive aids I think I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>read about. So if you ask the question do crabs

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<v Speaker 1>have teeth, I think the answer would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>yes and no in a couple of ways. So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>crabs do not have teeth like us. Uh. They typically

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<v Speaker 1>eat first by using their claws to tear food into

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<v Speaker 1>small chunks before bringing it up to their mouth parts,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they usually have a number of different moving

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<v Speaker 1>mouth parts. These consist of um these things called maxilla heads,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as jaw legs, which are sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>hands within the mouth. These are are modified a little

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<v Speaker 1>leg parts that will sort of grab bits of food

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<v Speaker 1>and pass them inward and onward to other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth known as the mac silly and the mandibles,

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<v Speaker 1>which can further shred the food apart into smaller pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that can be swallowed. But then once the food is

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<v Speaker 1>swallow load it is inside the digestive system where the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing feature appears, and it's this. Crabs, along with

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<v Speaker 1>other related crustaceans, have an organ known as a gastric mill,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more or less teeth inside the stomach. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got gut teeth. They can chew with the insides of

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<v Speaker 1>their stomachs. And this is another one that really got me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also worth googling some pictures of if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>because there there are some, uh some photos you can

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<v Speaker 1>find on the Internet of like gastric mills having been

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<v Speaker 1>extracted from the inside of a of a crabs digestive system.

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<v Speaker 1>And they it's hard to describe how they look. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the kind of they're like a semi translucent,

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<v Speaker 1>pinkish orange uh sci fi weapon hood. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's but it's also kind of beak like. It's very unnerving.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, what are the interesting things about about the

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<v Speaker 1>way of crab eats? And especially as evident if you're watching, um, say,

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<v Speaker 1>close up video of a crab, is that there even

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<v Speaker 1>more so with other creatures this there's this sense of

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<v Speaker 1>meticulous um disassembly. The crab is not so much I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it is consuming, but it is also just uh, just

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<v Speaker 1>taking whatever it is consuming completely apart. It is disassembling

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<v Speaker 1>matter and putting it into itself. Well, yeah, the crab

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<v Speaker 1>makes you think about how much how much humans actually

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<v Speaker 1>need to use tools for the kind of disassembly that

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<v Speaker 1>they do leading into into eating say meat or something

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Like so, humans devote a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 1>their technological energy over the history of time into creating

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<v Speaker 1>like tools for butchery of food, cutting food into smaller

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<v Speaker 1>and smaller pieces that are manageable that you can bite into,

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<v Speaker 1>chew up and all that. The crab, they they've got

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<v Speaker 1>their disassembly tools right there on their body. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>the claws, they've got the maxilly and the mandibles, and

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<v Speaker 1>then once the food's inside, they've got additional opportunities for chewing.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to stop chewing once you have swallowed.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way the gastrit mill works is that it

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<v Speaker 1>sort of choose the food from inside the stomach by

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<v Speaker 1>grinding it between these hard parts like plates or surfaces

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<v Speaker 1>that are moved around by powerful gut muscles. And so

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<v Speaker 1>while I was reading about the gas strit mill, I

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<v Speaker 1>came across a really interesting piece of research from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen that I just had to mention as as we're

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<v Speaker 1>going along here, and this was by Jennifer R. A. Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>Maya S. Devrees, and Damian O. Elias, published in the

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<v Speaker 1>Proceedings of the Royal Society be In in nineteen called

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<v Speaker 1>growling from the Gut co Optation of the gastric mill

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<v Speaker 1>for acoustic communication in ghost crabs. So the short version

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<v Speaker 1>of this discovery is that you've got this animal, the

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<v Speaker 1>ghost crab scientific names quadrata, and it will sometimes make

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<v Speaker 1>a threatening sound by way of having evolved. Quote a

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<v Speaker 1>novel stridulate action apparatus on the clause that is used

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<v Speaker 1>during agonistic interactions. So strigulation is any sound that is

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<v Speaker 1>made by an animal rubbing pieces of its skeleton or

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<v Speaker 1>exoskeleton together. The very common example you can think of

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<v Speaker 1>is the sounds made by crickets or grasshoppers. That's strigulation.

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<v Speaker 1>They rub parts of their legs or their carapists together

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes this chirping sound that is useful to

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<v Speaker 1>the animal for some reason, maybe for maybe for mating,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe as warning signals or something. The ghost crab

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<v Speaker 1>appears to use this strigulation of rubbing its claws as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a warning sign A sounds like Hey, I'm threatened,

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<v Speaker 1>I am dangerous. I've got these big claws. You do

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<v Speaker 1>not want to get near me. But in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the strigulation they make with their with their claws, to

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<v Speaker 1>quote from the abstract of this paper by tailor at

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<v Speaker 1>all quote, but they also produce a rasping sound without

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<v Speaker 1>their claw apparatus. We investigated the nature of these sounds

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<v Speaker 1>and showed oh quadratta adopted a unique and redundant mode

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<v Speaker 1>of sound production by co opting the gastric mill, the

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<v Speaker 1>grinding teeth of the foregut. Acoustic characteristics of the sound

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<v Speaker 1>are consistent with strigulation and are produced by both male

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<v Speaker 1>and female crabs during aggressive interactions. Uh so, yes they

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<v Speaker 1>are actually they can like chirp like a cricket with

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<v Speaker 1>the grinding teeth inside their stomachs in order to have

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<v Speaker 1>a redundant way of making this aggressive sound display that

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<v Speaker 1>they do when they're being threatened. And the authors actually

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<v Speaker 1>speculate as to why they would have this redundancy, why

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<v Speaker 1>be able to make this sound with two different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of their body. They write, quote, A key advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>using gastri strigulation over the claw apparatus is that it

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<v Speaker 1>provides signal while freeing up the chel a for postural

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<v Speaker 1>display and attack readiness. So you know, basically this this

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to have claws out to be maximally visually

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<v Speaker 1>rettn ing and maybe maximally dangerous if a fight actually

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<v Speaker 1>does start, while still making the grinding scary sound. So yes, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>crabs and related crustaceans gastric mills, the chewing doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to stop once you go down the gullet. And like

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<v Speaker 1>we said, a lot of crabs are not very picky eaters,

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<v Speaker 1>So who knows, maybe maybe if you could be taken

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<v Speaker 1>apart into small enough pieces, you would go down the gullet.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess from here we're gonna start getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>various meals of the crabs. You know, what do they

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<v Speaker 1>use this uh, this fabulous uh equipment for? And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that I was thinking that one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>places to start would be talking about crabs eating humans,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously that's going to be one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>pressing questions to us the humans. Right, Sure, it eats

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<v Speaker 1>but will it eat me? How delicious? Am I? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I deserve to be eaten by crabs? Um? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's an understandable question. I mean, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>like we are concerned with with this question with any

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<v Speaker 1>creature on some level, you know, we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>that that that that box checked off or or empty?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it eat me? Is it incapable of eating me?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it want to eat me? Uh? These are always

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<v Speaker 1>questions that we have about other creatures in the animal kingdom,

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<v Speaker 1>and the various horror movies and animal creature flicks that

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<v Speaker 1>we uh we watch they don't help matters either, because,

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, we have our giant crab movies in

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<v Speaker 1>which giant crabs, you know, in addition to occasionally wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to take over the world or destroy whole cities, they

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<v Speaker 1>want to grab people with their claws and either try

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<v Speaker 1>to eat them or it's implied that that crab is

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing you because it wants to eat you, or, in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Attack of the Crab Monsters by Roger Corman,

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<v Speaker 1>not just eat you but also absorb your soul and

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence in so doing. Right, But then, uh, we also

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<v Speaker 1>have countless movies in which we see crabs scavenging, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, crawling around on the corpses of humans who

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<v Speaker 1>have probably been dispatched by some kind of slasher or

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of monster that it itself that it that

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<v Speaker 1>is not concerned with eating the human. Uh. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a standard scene. And oh goodness. I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of specific examples, and I couldn't come up

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<v Speaker 1>with one. But I know I've seen it over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. Like cut from the you have a dark

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<v Speaker 1>scene with something spooky happening, an attack is um is

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<v Speaker 1>shown or implied, and then it's daylight and cops are

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<v Speaker 1>discovering a body and their crabs on it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>think of two examples. One is in Jaws, after the

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<v Speaker 1>initial attack attack at the beginning, when they discovered the

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<v Speaker 1>body of the first victim on the beach, their crabs

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere and it makes the police sound sick. Um. Second

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<v Speaker 1>one is an even better movie. It is I Know

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<v Speaker 1>What You Did Last Summer, in which there is a

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<v Speaker 1>part where, uh, the nineties teen slasher movie where Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Lovehughwott finds a body in the trunk of her car.

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<v Speaker 1>She did not put it there. I think she's being

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<v Speaker 1>messed with by a killer and it's covered in crabs

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<v Speaker 1>that are presumably scavenging it. So yeah, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there are various other films. I feel like I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a Jellow film where there's there there crabs on a body.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it makes sense. They're discovering a body, put

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<v Speaker 1>some crabs on it, um and uh, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>make it a little a little creepier. Um and then

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<v Speaker 1>it it You know, it does because it's like this

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<v Speaker 1>person is not only dead, but now they are the

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<v Speaker 1>domain of the crabs. Um. So in thinking about this, though,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminded me of a bit of UM. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's folk wisdom that I learned from my mother in law. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is, don't eat crabs after a hurricane. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard this before, Joe? I think maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>and I have talked about this off Mike. Maybe, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was. I was looking around for more on

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<v Speaker 1>this online, and I found some sort of echoes of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did not find enough on it that made

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<v Speaker 1>me satisfied that this is not something that just originated

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<v Speaker 1>with my mother in law or her family, or like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a local area that like her parents were

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<v Speaker 1>in or something. But I'll continue to discuss it here

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly if anyone out there has heard the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing or is privy to the same folk wisdom and

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<v Speaker 1>has some insight into why it is, uh, well, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we would love to hear from you. But the notion

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<v Speaker 1>here seems to be, uh that, Okay, those crabs in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of a hurricane, they have been feasting on

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<v Speaker 1>the flesh of people who died in the storm, and

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 1>therefore they should be avoided. Okay, I can understand that. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's I guess a lot of it comes

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 1>down to the idea that if these crabs have been

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>eating humans and we eat those crabs, it's kind of

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>cannibalism by proxy, right, Yeah, And generally we don't eat

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of even if we're eating meat, we're

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>not eating carnivores or we're not eating animals that are

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that are eating a lot of meat. We tend to

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>consume herbivores. Well, I mean, if you're eating seafoods, you're

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>probably eating a lot of car Well, yes, yes, the

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>seafood for sure. But yeah, but I also I did

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>find some just looking around, I saw some people like

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>asking and some of these like question websites saying is

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>it okay to eat? Like they were kind of applying

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the same concern to just see life in general, like

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>should I be concerned that the fish that I'm eating

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.959
<v Speaker 1>might have themselves eaten human flesh? Well, that's a sticky

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>idea that'll get in your head. Yeah. Yeah, So I

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:28.439
<v Speaker 1>decided to look into it a bit more, and I

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>was looking. First of all, I was looking at a

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 1>few different sources in uh. They included Coastal Angler magazine

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.919
<v Speaker 1>and also editions of the Sun Sentinel. Um And so

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it's worth remembering that hurricanes are destructive not only the

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>humans and human civilization, but they also impact marine environments.

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 1>This can result in extra dead sea life in the water,

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and that includes crabs, and this can often be due

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to um reduced dissolved oxygen in the water, rapid salinity changes,

0:26:55.600 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>and violence surf and this can certainly impact crapping as

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a human enterprise, either by damaging the equipment that's necessary

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>for crabbing or disrupting key crabbing locations. And this applies

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to other organisms as well. Um. It can you know,

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>be especially rough on oyster seed grounds, for instance. And

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 1>as far as oysters go, the other key issues related

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 1>to hurricanes and other storms is flood run off from

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the mainland carrying various chemicals into their environment. And as

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 1>oysters or filter feeders, they can pick up those chemicals um.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>And that can then be composed a danger to humans

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>consuming those oysters. Uh. And of course there are other

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>potential risks involved with eating raw shellfish as well, But

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>as far as I can tell, this doesn't really impact

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>crabs so much. Um. But I wanted to look a

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the you know, the idea of

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>of corpse eating crabs. First of all, I wanted to

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of check my my assumptions on this and and

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>find out well it is as true or am I

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>just sort of learning this from movies? Do crabs want

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>to eat human bodies? Uh? And And luckily, you know,

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of material out there in the world

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of Forensics UM and Biology UM. Human corps in water

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>may be set upon by fish, water, rats, crabs, m

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>various other creatures. According to UM, one paper was looking

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 1>at by zerin er Call and Urdum Hoskuler in post

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>mortem animal attacks on human corpses came out and so

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>this applies to shallow water as well as deep water,

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:32.159
<v Speaker 1>where crabs will uh may even gnaw the bones that

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>they find down there. Wo. Now, apparently some crabs are

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be more indiscriminate than others. So yeah, I

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>guess you know, we have to be carefulhen we talk

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>about crabs, because there's not just one type of crab there.

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>They are multitude, and they all have different strategies and

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>different environments and different temperaments. UM. I believe blue crabs

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in particular are often observed to scavenge human flesh and

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and that probably has to do again with like environments

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>in which law enforcement or finding bodies and bodies are

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>retrieved and uh, and that's gonna happen to be the

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>same environment where the blue crabs are active. Another type

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of crab that we've talked about on the show before,

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the coconut crab. Uh, they seem to generally be game

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>for for anything. So it seems like a safe assumption

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to say that, yes, you have given the opportunity, the

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>coconut crab would feast on human flesh as well. But

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>as for other species, I would say, check with your

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>local crab. I don't know if they want to eat

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you or not um, And a lot of it's gonna

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>depend on are you where that crab is, what is

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that crab normally eat and so forth. Now, I was

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>also looking at an article titled Decomposition and Invertebrate Colonization

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>of Cadavers in Coastal marine Environments by Gail S. Anderson

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>from two thousand and nine, and in this the author

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>points out that in saltwater environments, crabs, crayfish, and barnacles

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>are generally the most important Arthur pods from a forensics

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>point of view. And they point out that crabs especially,

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll just it right in there. They'll go for

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the facial flesh and the eyes, the open orifices of

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the face are I mean, just think about this practically, Joe,

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>don't to like, if you're gonna start munching on a human, uh,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>all those holes in the face that's just a great

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>place to get started, you know. Yeah, that's the that's

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like the oysters on a chicken. Yeah, so that's that's

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>generally where they start. But once they get going, apparently

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 1>they can rapidly d flesh a body. Um. I was

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>looking around to see if I could find some hard

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>numbers on that, because I know a lot of times

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that is of of key interest in forensics. Um. You know, Okay,

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>animals will do this to a body, scavengers will do

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>this to a body. How long does it take for

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>them to do it? Because then we can time the

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the death of the of this particular individual,

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>or we can time when their body entered this environment.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I could not find any any time. That doesn't mean

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they're not out there. So if you know those, if

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you happen to have like a you know, some sort

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of study that involves a stop watch, a human cadaver

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>in a whole bunch of blue crabs, uh, then send

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>it my way. I would look to take a look

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>at it. Do your personal eco friendly funeral plans involve

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>crabs crab bial I mean why not? Why not? So

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to come back to the question. Okay, Uh, so,

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>first of all, Okay, I think we can say it's

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>safe to say that crabs definitely will de flesh the

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>human form um. Now, as for this idea of there

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>being something bad about eating those crabs after they have

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>tasted human flesh, um, again, I think there is this

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of superstitious view there. There's perhaps this you know,

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>revulsion of the idea that you might eat something that

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>has eaten people and then you know, to some extent

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you are engaging in cannibalism by proxy. Now, where this

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>gets interesting, though, is when you start looking at the

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>subject of cholera and crabs. Um. Joe, had you ever uh,

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>were you privy did any of this information before? No?

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean cholera And I know cholera is typically a

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>water borne illness that has spread through contamination of water

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.239
<v Speaker 1>sources by infected people. Yeah, yeah, and uh, and so

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>when you think about cholera, you tend to think about

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>you to think about a sewage, You think about you know,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, poor water treatment, water sources, that sort of thing. Um.

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>But apparently crabs and uh and some other shellfish can

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>also uh be a means of acquiring cholera. Now, as

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and I was looking around him mostly mostly when we're

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about this, we're talking about UH some some particular situations,

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and there've been particular outbreaks that have been linked to

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the consumption of crabs that that are infected with cholera

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>um or at least they have cholera like clinging to

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the bacterium clinging to their their shells, UH, to the

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>hard parts of their body. For instance, there was an

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>outbreak in nine in coastal Louisiana and it was blamed

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>on improper storage or cooking of crab. The crab and

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the crab and in questions seem to have have you know,

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the cholera bacterium clinging to it? Apparently there was a

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>similar case in Texas UH previous decades. I was able

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to find some news footage from the late seventies from

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like from Louisiana Public television where they were talking about

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>this UH and it was quite interesting because you know,

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a big deal. There were a

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of questions like, well, Okay, what's happening here, Why

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>did these crabs have cholera? Why are people you know,

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? And then there was concern over how

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>is it gonna impact the crabbing industry, and just people's

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>lives in general. UM. And uh, yeah, it was quite

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting because you know, to be clear, cholera UH is

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>generally we think about it as a as a human situation.

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is where you you find the cholera

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>collor are pathogenic to humans. UM. So they're not actually

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, infecting uh, the crustaceans in question here, but

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it would be a situation of them being in waters

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>infected uh, that that are tainted by cholera or potentially

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>and this seems to be like a less firm point.

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 1>It seems like potentially if you had these crabs coming

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>in contact with the bodies of humans that had cholera,

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>they could partitually get it that way. But it seems

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like for the most part we're talking about just water

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that is, say, tainted by untreated sewage, and and you

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>have people in the population that had cholera contributing to

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>said sewage. I see. So it seems like moral of

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the story is definitely properly cook your your your seafood. Yes, definitely,

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's a proper storage, proper cooking UM. And

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that seemed to be the main point they were getting

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to in this situation. I believe based on some of

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>the follow up information was looking at from the CDC,

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>it seems like this had to do with with with

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the with pollution of the water, either due to some

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of a sewage situation, sewage treatment, or sewage run

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>off from something else, potentially something linked to U two

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>ships um but um. Looking also at the CDC, they

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>point out, quote, brackish and marine waters are the natural

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 1>environment for the ideologic agents of cholera H Vibrio colorae

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 1>UH zero group zero one or zero one three nine.

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>There are no known animal hosts for Vibrio colorad. However,

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the bacteria attached themselves easily to chitten containing shells of crabs, shrimps,

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and other shellfish, which can be a source for human

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>infections when eaten raw or undercooked. Now, I know what

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. You're you're probably thinking to yourself, Well, that

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>still doesn't answer the question can can Does that mean

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you can catch cholera from a crab that eight human

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>being with cholera? I'm still I'm still not sure. I

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>don't but but I don't think any of the evidence

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 1>is pointing to that being. Like the primary a way

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.919
<v Speaker 1>that you would get sick from, you know, for meeting

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 1>a crab or that has anything to do with with

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 1>concerns over eating crabs post hurricane. So I'm not sure.

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I can't ask my mother in law

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>anymore about this, but I have this suspicion that perhaps

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.240
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a kind of like a Cajun stew

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>of like maybe a little bit of folklore in there.

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Also maybe a little bit uh left over stemming from

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>this late seventies um you know, fear about cholera and

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the crabs. Uh. And you know, perhaps some other stuff

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.439
<v Speaker 1>thrown in there as well, um uh. And also maybe

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 1>she was just you know, messing with me, not being

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's familiar with the ways of the of coastal

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana and so forth. Well, I mean, I would say,

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 1>whatever the base of this, uh, this piece of advice

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>or folk wisdom is, I would say that it's probably

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>always going to be different. I mean, unless you're in

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>some kind of like farmed bond villain scenario, it's always

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>going to be difficult to know whether or not a

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>crab that you have actually acquired to eat like what

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it has been eating in its past. Yeah. I mean

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you just never really know if it had eaten a

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>part of a human or not, but the odds are

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 1>probably against it. Yeah yeah. And um and in terms

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.720
<v Speaker 1>of other crab and just crabs in general, like eating humans,

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>like another area to get into as well, would a

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>crab kill a human and eat it? And uh, this

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>does come up from time to time. I think there

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>was you know, largely you know, unproven and to a

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>certain extent at least discredited theory that coconut crabs consumed

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 1>aviator Amelia Earhart, or at least consumed her remains after

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.240
<v Speaker 1>she crashed. Um. Again, I don't think there's any proof

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>for this, and and I don't know that anyone is

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>actually arguing that the crab crabs would have killed her,

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>but um uh you you know, it's one of those

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>things where you can make any kind of argument for Okay,

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>what if somebody was sufficiently injured and then crabs came

0:37:56.120 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>upon them, Could the crabs deal the killing? Could the

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>crabs be the one to finish you off? And I

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>guess it's like with the dinosaurs, like could could crabs

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>kill a dinosaur? Well? I guess so if they had

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 1>enough of an advantage, uh, you know, if the if

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the prey was severely weakened. Um, But I don't know,

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it seems kind of pointless to to worry about this

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>too much. I mean not to be insulting, but a

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 1>crab is not really a particularly analytical creature, So I

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>don't think it could size us up and figure out

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>what part of the body it needed to attack in

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>order to finish us off. We are not part of

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a crabs like natural uh you know, habituated diet, so

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it would have instincts about what part

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of the body to attack to finish us off. So

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I would say, if a crab attacks the human is

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>probably just randomly pinching at whatever parts of the body

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it can get at. So my guess would be that

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.720
<v Speaker 1>it would be very unlikely for even the most powerful crabs,

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>even your coconut crabs, to to really initiate a successful

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>deadly attack on a human. But there is something about

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe it comes back to that defensive display of the crab.

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It's so impressive even though it's small, uh, that it

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>just reverberates through the human psyche and takes on the

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>form of say crabs attacking hercules and myth or you know,

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 1>crabs rising up against humanity in Roger Corman films, and

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>so we just get it just shows how effective that

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 1>display is. We're like, we we know that crab is

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>not actually gonna come over here and and and whoop us. Uh,

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 1>but but it takes on these uh, these enormous forms

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>in our mind, right, I mean, the the rasp of

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the gastric mill does not lie. There's no reason to

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>go messing around with that thing, putting your fingers into

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 1>its pintures and stuff. But I am generally curious though,

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So if anyone out there, again, if you've heard anything

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>about this, um, this bit of folk wisdom that you

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't eat crabs after a hurricane, or that eating crabs

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>that of eating humans is is is somehow specifically a

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>bad idea, uh filming in I would oft to know

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>more before we move on. I just wanted to say

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>about the coconut crabs thing. I had also come across

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that people supposedly claiming that that Amelia Earhart was eaten

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>by coconut crabs, really without any evidence to say that.

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I think people were just kind of guessing, oh, what

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 1>if this happened. Um, But but that did make me

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>think back on on Charles Darwin's comments about how coconut

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 1>crabs actually being delicious and under their tails having that

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>big mass of fat which turned into wonderful limpid oil.

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 1>You remember that, Oh, yes, I do remember that. Yeah,

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, this reminds me. I was. I was looking around, um,

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing various searches on fatalities related to coconut crabs,

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and I did find, um, I think a couple that occurred. Uh.

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>And but they didn't have anything to do with crabs

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>attacking people. They had to do with the coconut crabs

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>haven't eaten something that contained a toxin, and then when

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.839
<v Speaker 1>that crab was consumed by humans resulted in fatality. Oh,

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that would make sense, So I think, oh yeah, ultimately

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it crabs dupo was the greatest risk to human beings

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in the form of you know, of of tainted food

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>of one sort or another. But that can be that

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 1>can be said for a lot of things. It's gonna

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>as with our past Thanksgiving episodes on dangerous foods, um,

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, any kind of if food is cooked improperly

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>or stored improperly, prepared improperly. Um, you know, it's it's

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy to get into dangerous zone. Oh yeah, I

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>mean one of the points we made repeatedly in that

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>series is if you're actually just like tallying up edge cases,

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of strange things can seem very dangerous, you know, Uh,

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>improperly washed packaged greens, bottles of peanut butter and all

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff. Yeah, I mean, I'll go and throw

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>this out there. Don't try and eat um a live

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>crab whole. I think you're probably going to hurt yourself.

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:49.720
<v Speaker 1>May have to go to the hut of the hospital

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 1>over that. Yeah, don't go for the had resort crude.

0:41:52.760 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, alright. The next example of the next course

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>in the Crab Feast I wanted to talk about is, uh,

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe the I can't remember for sure. This may have

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>been the thing I was reading about that gave me

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the idea to do this episode. Um, and this is

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>one where you can actually watch the video I'm about

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to talk about yourself, because the subject here is a

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 1>field recording that was uploaded by the Monterey Bay Aquarium

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Research Institute or in Bari, originally captured in two thousand eleven.

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 1>You can find it on their YouTube channel now. And

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>this took place on an expedition led by a researcher

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>named Peter Brewer. So the team here was investigating oil

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 1>seeps and methane hydrates along the sea floor off the

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>coast of British Columbia. Again, this was back in two

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven, so this would have been on in the

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>ocean off the west coast of Canada. And methane hydrates

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>are a very strange and fascinating phenomenon. I again didn't

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>know a lot about them before I started researching for

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this episode, and this has really captured my mind. So

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 1>these are essentially chunks of solid icy material containing large

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>amounts of methane alongside regular water molecules. So it's got

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>methane gas or H four, which is a naturally forming

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>hydro hydrocarbon. Methane is the primary constituent of so called

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>natural gas, as well as being a byproduct of bacterial

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 1>decomposition of organic matter that gets buried down in the

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>sediment at the bottom of the ocean, and pockets of

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 1>natural gas underneath the modern sea floor, or just generally

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>any methane content in the sediment or the or the

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>bedrock below the ocean. Sometimes the methane in these pockets

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 1>get exposed so that gas can escape up through little

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>holes or rifts in the in the sea floor and

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 1>float away. But sometimes, under the right conditions, methane that

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>escapes from these pockets does not just float away. Sometimes,

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because of very high pressure at the bottom of the

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>water column and extreme cold in the deep ocean, the

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>methane gas becomes trapped along with water ice in chunks

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of this strange frozen solid. These are methane hydrates, and

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, the name is a little bit misleading

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 1>because methane hydrates are actually not a new chemical compound

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:35.919
<v Speaker 1>joining water molecules and methane molecules with chemical bonds. Rather,

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>methane hydrates are what's known in chemistry technically as a

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>class rate, which is a composite in which you've got

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>molecules of one kind of substance, in this case methane,

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that are physically trapped within the crystal structure of another

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>type of substance, in this case water ice. So little

0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>molecules of methane stuck within a lattice structure of water ice.

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:05.879
<v Speaker 1>And because of this unusual structure, methane hydrates can make

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:09.439
<v Speaker 1>a literally flammable ice. So you can have a big

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>chunk of this stuff. It looked pretty much like regular ice.

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>You can set it in a dish on a table,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>but if you hold a match up to it, this

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>is ice which will catch on fire and burn, and

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>for this reason, methane hydrates are sometimes called fire ice. Now,

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>it's generally believed today that large amounts of solid methane

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:34.399
<v Speaker 1>hydrates lie buried in formations underneath the seafloor all around

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the world, though there's debate about exactly how much. According

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>to a range I found given on a page by

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the U. S Department of Energy Fossil Energy and Carbon

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Management site, there could be anywhere from two hundred and

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand trillion cubic feet of methane locked up in

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 1>hydrates around the world, from that two d fifty all

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>the way up to seven hundred thousand trillion cubic feat

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and these hydrates contain a really dense concentration of hydrocarbons.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>A claim I've seen cited in a number of sources

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>is that one cubic meter of methane hydrate would typically

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>contain a hundred and sixty four cubic meters of methane gas.

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 1>So a very small volume of this solid material, this

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>icy stuff, the hydrate, if disrupted, will potentially release a

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>ton of gas, which of course is one reason that

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>methane hydrates have people who think about climate change a

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit concerned, because it seems that there's actually a

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>significant amount of potential greenhouse gases that could be released

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.800
<v Speaker 1>into the atmosphere locked up in these solid icy forms,

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and if something causes these solids to melt, a lot

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 1>more stuff can be released into the atmosphere. But anyway,

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>so these methane hydrates exist in these you know, rocky

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>icy formations under the CEA floor, but they can also

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>form spontaneously when methane and very cold water mix under

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>high pressure, like at the bottom of the ocean. So

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 1>coming back to this video, I was talking about the

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>video captured by the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute team

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven. So they were doing a survey

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>for of these methane hydrates and oil seeps at a

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 1>depth of about one two hundred and sixty meters, and

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the team came across a rift in the sea floor

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that was producing this steady little trickle of bubbles rising

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>towards the surface. And while the researchers were looking at

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 1>this stream of bubbles, suddenly, hey, here comes a crab.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 1>It just there's a crab coming into frame, and the

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>narrator of the video suggests that the crab may have

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>been attracted by the pulsing in the water column at

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the side of the gas vent. But whatever the reason,

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 1>this crab comes ambling over. It's walking along the bottom,

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and then it comes right up to the hole in

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the ocean floor that the bubbles are coming out of.

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>And then, in the first of a series of real

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 1>awe buddy moments, it reaches out at the stream of

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 1>bubbles with its claws. It's trying to grab them, very

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 1>like you know, dog dog chasing its tail behavior. Presumably

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it thinks that the movement in the water indicates some

0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of potential prey or other food source. And you

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 1>see it repeatedly lunge at the bubble tower with its claws,

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 1>but of course there's nothing to grab, so it just

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of hugs the bubble jets several times. But then

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 1>from here things start getting weirder, because again, what are

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 1>these bubbles their methane and what can potentially happen to

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.280
<v Speaker 1>methane at this depth and temperature When mixed with water,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it can turn into methane hydrates. So the narrator of

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>this video explains that the methane gas bubbles rapidly form

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>into solid pieces of methane hydrate as they stick to

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the crabs for limbs, So it's you know, reaching out

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.399
<v Speaker 1>to grab the methane bubbles. It thinks their food. Then

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>they the bubbles are freezing into a coating of fire

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>ice on this crabs clause and then trying to explain

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>what happens next, the narrator of this video hypothesizes that

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the chemical reaction that transforms the methane gas into the

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>solid chunks of methane hydrate uh quote may have given

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the sensation of something slightly warm and mushy. Uh So.

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is just supposition on on the researchers part,

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 1>But maybe what they're suggesting here is that the crab thinks, oh,

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got some kind of potentially delicious organic goo, maybe

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 1>from a dead whale carcass or something, and it's all

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 1>over my claws now. So of course, when in doubt

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>tried out. You know, better eat it and see if

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it's good. So the crab begins to try to eat

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the methane hydrate off of its own claws, and this

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 1>goes very poorly because the hydrate essentially freezes the crabs

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 1>mouth parts or mandibles, which rem finds me that thing

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>where you know, you stick your tongue to a frozen flagpole,

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 1>like in that Christmas movie, except I guess here the

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 1>flagpole would be like stuck to your own mouth and

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>it would be coming along with you. And the narrator

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>of the video actually describes it as quote a milk

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>mustache of solid hydrate. Well, now I'm beginning I'm growing

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 1>worried for this crab. This that is that this has

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 1>really taken a turn. I know, it went from like

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:26.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of cute and bumbling to like, oh no, what's

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>going to happen to this crab's mouth? Uh? And apparently

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the crab does whatever it's feeling. It does not like

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it at all, so it starts trying to use its

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.400
<v Speaker 1>claws to remove the frozen methane coating from its mouth,

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>and you can see it's scraping at the solid white

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 1>massive hydrate with the tips of its of its claws

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>while shedding flakes of it into the surrounding water. And unfortunately,

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I do not know the answer to the question did

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the crab ever get its mouth on frozen? I I

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 1>hope so, but the researchers do not have an answer

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to offer on this up jecked. On the pessimistic side,

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the narrator claims that pure methane hydrate is twenty times

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>harder than regular water ice, though I couldn't find independent

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>corroboration of that fact. But on the plus side, that

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<v Speaker 1>like you can see in the video that the crab

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<v Speaker 1>is doing a decent job scraping pieces of it off,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can see the flakes just coming off and

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<v Speaker 1>floating up into the water. So I'm gonna say with crabs,

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<v Speaker 1>many things are possible, maybe all things are possible. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say that it really just it. It scraped

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<v Speaker 1>and scraped and scraped with those uh, those spiny tips

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<v Speaker 1>until until it got its mouth parts free and went

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:40.720
<v Speaker 1>on to to scavenge many a human corpse. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so this is on top of being just

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<v Speaker 1>a strange and interesting example of a crab eating something

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>that was not food, because you know, I think anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who has a dog will recognize that a lot of

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>animals have the impulse of like if if something is

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<v Speaker 1>ambiguously presenting as maybe food, might as well put it

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<v Speaker 1>in the mouth and give it a try. But on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, it also shows an interesting thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't usually think about being land levers, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the role of naturally forming hydrocarbons as a part of

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:15.479
<v Speaker 1>the environment that animals would have to interact with every day,

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, on on the sea floor. There were actually

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of ways that organisms regularly interact with I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you might call, you know, the constituents

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 1>of the deep earth, uh, from from the ecosystems that

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>form around hydrothermal vents, to these weird interactions between animals

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and methane hydrates from under the under the ground or

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>under the sea floor. Obviously, for the crab in this video,

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 1>this was at least a very uh frustrating and unfortunate

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 1>random encounter, but some animals actually have a much closer

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and more dedicated evolutionary relationship with these same substances. With

0:52:56.080 --> 0:53:00.920
<v Speaker 1>deep sea hydrates. Gas hydrates like methane hydrate they're actually

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 1>marine biological communities that appear in some way to depend

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 1>on methane hydrates for their energy needs. And just one

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>example I wanted to mention I found described in a

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<v Speaker 1>paper from published in the year two thousand and uh

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>nat your vissenshaften Um by a cr fisher at all

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>called methane ice worms hes e O SKA methanic coola

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 1>colonizing fossil fuel reserves and Rob I've got an image

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<v Speaker 1>for you to look at while I described this here.

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 1>But so in this case, the story behind this discovery

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>was that a bunch of researchers were conducting an exploratory

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<v Speaker 1>dive with a miniature submarine in the Gulf of Mexico

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>along the seafloor at a depth of five and forty meters.

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess this was in the late nineties sometime, and

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<v Speaker 1>they came across a large gas hydrate, a chunk of

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, the fire ice that was they said about

0:53:56.520 --> 0:54:00.120
<v Speaker 1>one meter thick and two meters in diameter, and they

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>said it had recently breached the sea floor. So I

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 1>guess this has been This had been some subsurface for

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and for some reason it had recently

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.279
<v Speaker 1>been you know, berthed up from the bottom of the

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>ocean and was now exposed, and this was a big

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>old chunk of this stuff. And then the authors write

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:21.240
<v Speaker 1>in their abstract quote two distinct color bands of hydrate

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>were present in the same mound, and the entire exposed

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>surface of the hydrate was infested with two to four

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>centimeter long worms, since described as a new species, and

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:39.279
<v Speaker 1>they said the density of the worms reached individuals for

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>every square meter. So this was a previously unknown type

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of poly cute worm that appeared to make a habitat

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>out of these gas hydrates. It was originally called uh

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>hesio ska methanic cola. I think now it has a

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>different name. I think now the genus is uh sear

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.120
<v Speaker 1>so s i r s o e so sears so

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<v Speaker 1>methanic cola uh so. This would obviously raise the question,

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.440
<v Speaker 1>if you live around gas hydrates at the bottom of

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.759
<v Speaker 1>the ocean, what do you eat? How do you make

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>a living well. Tissue samples were consistent with the worms

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 1>acquiring nutrition from a chemo autotrophic organism. That would mean

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:25.359
<v Speaker 1>an organism that makes its own energy by consuming geologic

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 1>chemicals rather than than by sunlight. Like a photosynthetic organism would.

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And the authors in this study weren't able to prove

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 1>anything conclusively, but they hypothesized that these worms, these new worms,

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 1>were surviving by eating chemosynthetic bacteria that colonized the surface

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:46.360
<v Speaker 1>of the gas hydrates. So there would be bacteria that

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that form mats on the surface of these frozen methane

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>hydrates that would metabolize chemicals contained within them in order

0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 1>for the bacteria to survive, and then the worms would

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:01.280
<v Speaker 1>eat the bacterial mats. And then the author's right quote

0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the activities of the polykey it's grazing on the hydrate

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:08.839
<v Speaker 1>bacteria and supplying oxygen to their habitats appears to contribute

0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to the dissolution of hydrates in surface sediments. So I

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 1>guess this would be one thing that explains how these

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>hydrates disappear over time once they're exposed on the bottom

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of the ocean. But Rob, I've also attached to an

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 1>image for you to look at. That's uh. I believe

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 1>this is a micrograph close up of the face of

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>one of these polycy worms that lives on the hydrate.

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.359
<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely terrifying. It looks like some sort of

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a Dark Destroyer unleashed from a shadows. It has a

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of bristling fuzziness which you would think would make

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it a little more cuddly, but actually makes it worse. Yeah,

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 1>though those fibers are not for cuddling, you can tell.

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 1>And it looks like it Edges has this enormous mouth

0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to like just suck down dreams. Very very true. And yeah,

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it's mouth, I would say it's mouth actually looks like

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you ever see those um endoscopic images of of the

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>lay Ranks or the voice box. Yeah, it also reminds

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>me it has the mouth of some of the more

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 1>terrifying muppets. I think you know where their mouth is

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:12.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of articulated bad, Yes, like the the hip pip

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Aliens that has that kind of thing going on. Oh god,

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the Yippi Apps are so evil. All right, Well, I

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna have to call it right there for

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 1>part one, but we will definitely be back next time

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.080
<v Speaker 1>to continue the crab feast. What will happen when crabs

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 1>put other things in their mouths while their mouths freeze?

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Will they find it delicious? Um? You'll just have to

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>tune in to find out the world is a buffet

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and the customers are crabs all right? Uh? In the meantime, yes,

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>certainly right in let us know where your thoughts are

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:49.120
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