Speaker 1: Thursday morning, December twenty, first Week sixteen in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. It's the Beating the Book podcast Megapod Week sixteen.
Speaker 1: My God, three weeks left in the NFL season. It's
Speaker 1: Gil Alexander. We welcome in the crew our stables on
Speaker 1: the show, back to his mom's cork Attic in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: He loves when I say that, Todd wish them everybody.
Speaker 1: How you doing Dad? Hi?
Speaker 2: Gil? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? A lot of requests for Christmas songs
Speaker 1: from you to day? Can we expect some Christmas songs
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't really like being prompted to be perfect.
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand You're an organic, natural kind of guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: Not from his mom's cork attic, but in front of
Speaker 1: a big wall that has vs and logos all over it.
Speaker 1: It is the star of not only this podcast, but
Speaker 1: also the bear Bets podcast with Chris Filika on Fox.
Speaker 3: Will Hills Hadden It Gilly boys, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Excited is always It's funny.
Speaker 3: I joked that last week I might have had the
Speaker 3: worst pick in megapot history because I had under Jaggs Browns.
Speaker 3: I think it was thirty one and a half and
Speaker 3: both teams almost got the over by themselves.
Speaker 4: I think I outdid myself.
Speaker 3: I had the under that Raiders Chargers game last week,
Speaker 3: and that one did not get home.
Speaker 4: So let's see what I got hooked up for today.
Speaker 1: It just missed, Will, It just missed? Was the final
Speaker 1: sixty sixty two to twenty one? Was the final thing game?
Speaker 1: Sixty three one, sixty three to twenty one? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Will, there's always a third week to continue
Speaker 1: that streak.
Speaker 2: But it's better to lose like that.
Speaker 1: It is just get crushed. Yeah. And our rotating guests
Speaker 1: this week, who reminded me that this is his first
Speaker 1: non Week eighteen appearance on the podcast, after which I
Speaker 1: spiraled into a drugs depression at alcohol because I felt
Speaker 1: like I was totally rude from Yahoo Sports. It's Frank Schwab.
Speaker 1: It's our old buddy. Hey, you know, Frank, It was fine.
Speaker 5: It's just, you know, it's nice to be picking in
Speaker 5: a week that games actually matter, matters, teams actually care.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 5: You're giving me the tryout, you know, seeing if I
Speaker 5: can handle Week eighteen before bumping me up to a
Speaker 5: week that mattered, But uh as always Gil glad to
Speaker 5: be on. You've done great work for years that I
Speaker 5: always always.
Speaker 6: Enjoy the show.
Speaker 5: And it's always a little strange being a guest on
Speaker 5: the show.
Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate it. Who was it this week? Pritch?
Speaker 1: Pritch was on last week Mike Pritchard, and he said,
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I was a little nervous with my picks,
Speaker 1: like it's really competitive on the podcast, and who is
Speaker 1: Adam Chernoff told me also, like all the stuff that
Speaker 1: Adam Chernoff does at Right Angle, he said to me,
Speaker 1: you know earlier this year, he's like, I get more
Speaker 1: nervous for my Mega bod picks than anything.
Speaker 6: Oh that's so true. It's but this is my third time.
Speaker 6: I think it's my third time.
Speaker 5: Both the first two times, I've never sweated games more
Speaker 5: on a Sunday and like I don't want to go,
Speaker 5: like I don't want to like go o with three
Speaker 5: and the teaser loses and everything else loses, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: Gill's gonna lose my number.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no. Speaking of records, Todd
Speaker 1: wishedev is the court stenographer. He has the updates. Oh,
Speaker 1: Todd say it's slow and loud. Did we lose? Wow? Okay? First,
Speaker 1: could you could you be quicker? Could you be quicker
Speaker 1: on the draw? Maybe I was.
Speaker 2: Just checking out Central Connecticut, Florida. Okay, So Gilly Iceman
Speaker 2: keeps his lead, it looks like we're not going to
Speaker 2: catch it this year, folks. He went two and one
Speaker 2: with a nice lines and falcons Kansas City falcons.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: What can you say about the falcons? That was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: They they caught, he goes they cost fifteen twenty nine
Speaker 1: to fifteen and one. Is that what you're about to say?
Speaker 1: I was just going to say that the falcons cost
Speaker 1: me as a massive week. Yeah, go ahead, Todd, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And one for which is, you know, pretty as good
Speaker 2: as you're going to get, you know, twenty nine to
Speaker 2: fifteen one. That's pretty darn good. Willie went two and
Speaker 2: one as well with his under Raiders barely missing by
Speaker 2: a scooch. As we were just talking about Lions winning
Speaker 2: easily and Bill's winning easily, I went one to one
Speaker 2: and one with a falcons as well. I follow Gilly
Speaker 2: and the falcons nonsense. So I lost that hit the
Speaker 2: colts and then the Browns. I got a miracle push
Speaker 2: when the Browns came from you know, nowhere'sville to win
Speaker 2: that game. So now I am twenty two twenty and three,
Speaker 2: and the guest spot went one and two. Mike Pritchard
Speaker 2: went one and two with the Broncos, Bucks and Giants,
Speaker 2: So the guest spot moved to twenty four eighteen and three.
Speaker 2: In the teaser world, the category that really makes makes
Speaker 2: a difference. Gilly is nine and six, Willie is ten
Speaker 2: and five, Todd is eleven and four. That's the best
Speaker 2: there is and the guest is ten and five. So
Speaker 2: you know, while our picks have been you know, amazing
Speaker 2: from at least from Gil our teasers, everybody's been winning
Speaker 2: on teasers very nicely this year.
Speaker 1: What did Pritch do last week?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Wait, Todd? What did he do?
Speaker 2: Pritch went one and two?
Speaker 1: Two? Can you can you Todd? Can you turn off
Speaker 1: your Todd? Can you turn off your video? Because your
Speaker 1: audio is un jacked? So let's get this, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to sound good to people. You can turn off
Speaker 1: your video?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe maybe because I had my phone sitting
Speaker 2: on there? Is it better now?
Speaker 1: It is not? Can you turn off your video so better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know. Let's just turn. How do you do that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the way? There we go? Okay, battling. That'll
Speaker 1: improve the audio for everybody. Thank you, Todd, wish now
Speaker 1: for your do you hear me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: We can hear you now you sound great? Okay, hopefully
Speaker 1: that improves the audio because no one wants we didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear it all Jacked, all.
Speaker 2: Right, I didn't know what it was, Jack, No.
Speaker 1: I know you didn't. Okay, so let us uh, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything in game, Todd from last week
Speaker 1: that you wanted to talk about real quick?
Speaker 2: I've been having a lot of success with these uh
Speaker 2: these I mean running back these running back props. When
Speaker 2: when these guys are gad people and the game is
Speaker 2: in a scenario where the guy's going to get more carries,
Speaker 2: it's very often difficult for them to keep it below.
Speaker 2: There was one last week I didn't even get it
Speaker 2: off because it's spun on me. But Walker for the
Speaker 2: Seahawks on Monday night, I believe had fifty yards and
Speaker 2: they were putting it up at seventy three and a
Speaker 2: half early in the second half, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that's just too low because I think he was averaging
Speaker 2: also like five yards of carry. There's been a lot
Speaker 2: of these, like I had Kyraen Williams a couple times
Speaker 2: in a row with the five yards and carry nonsense.
Speaker 2: I got him again this week. They boosted him a
Speaker 2: little higher. This time it was like he had seventy
Speaker 2: yards rushing and it was over one twenty two and
Speaker 2: a half. He went flying over that as well. But anyways,
Speaker 2: that's been working pretty good. Also, Cole Comet seems to
Speaker 2: be thrown. They throw him the ball constantly and he's
Speaker 2: always at over three and a half catches. Sooner or later,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to boost him up. But if
Speaker 2: they start throwing him the ball beginning him in game
Speaker 2: a lot too. As far as a just regular end game.
Speaker 2: I had a really good week this week. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think if there was any anything that really stood
Speaker 2: out as very interesting. Nothing that I can, but it
Speaker 2: comes to mind.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine. Let us get to Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Then tonight it is the Saints at the Rams. Rams
Speaker 1: are four point favorites. Bowl behind me here at the
Speaker 1: d Circus Sports it's three and a half in favor
Speaker 1: of the Rams in this ball game two seven and
Speaker 1: seven teams. I hesitate to call it a de facto
Speaker 1: elimination game because whenever you're dealing with NFC South team,
Speaker 1: nothing is ever an elimination game until the very end,
Speaker 1: because the Saints are very much alive, but obviously both
Speaker 1: teams fighting for playoff spots. Rams have been gashing opponents,
Speaker 1: and good opponents number one and number two in EPA
Speaker 1: per play included in their last four weeks, the Browns
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. They've scored one hundred and thirty two
Speaker 1: points over the last four weeks with Kyra and williams
Speaker 1: now back in the lineup. They've averaged twenty seven points
Speaker 1: per game with him fourteen point twenty five without him
Speaker 1: in the lineup. So the Rams are getting it done
Speaker 1: on offense for sure, and the Saints play a lot
Speaker 1: of man. They also feed a lot to the to
Speaker 1: the defenses, excuse me, to the offenses slot receivers. So
Speaker 1: hello Cooper cup tonight as well, it would seem, and
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford's been great top three and adjusted net yards.
Speaker 2: Hello, can't hear you at all? Gilly? I lost you,
Speaker 2: Killy can you guys hear him? Still?
Speaker 1: I can't. Now I'm back. What was that? Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: work it out, We've allly, I mean it's only fifteen weeks.
Speaker 1: We'll work it out. Fifteen sixteen weeks? Yeah? No, what
Speaker 1: was I saying? Matthew Stafford last four weeks ranks top
Speaker 1: three and adjusted net yards per attempt, quarterback rating, and
Speaker 1: EPA per play. So the Saints are up against it
Speaker 1: here for sure. But there's a case to be made
Speaker 1: for the Saints. I guess as well. I have not
Speaker 1: made a bet on this. Do any of you have
Speaker 1: a bet on this game tonight? Which way? Frank, anything
Speaker 1: from you?
Speaker 5: I like the Saints a little bit, I guess. I
Speaker 5: think we saw them play really well last week. I
Speaker 5: know it's the Giants, but the Giants had been playing better.
Speaker 5: The one thing I worry about with the Saints here
Speaker 5: massive look ahead spot. Next week's game at Tampa Bay
Speaker 5: is basically the NFC South Championship game. Whatever that means,
Speaker 5: I don't know, But you wonder if the Saints are
Speaker 5: or just that's their focus, that's their super Bowl. But
Speaker 5: the wild guard windows open for the Saints too. They
Speaker 5: can't just go into this game and drop it they
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see. I think it's a field
Speaker 5: goal game either way. I really I just can't quit
Speaker 5: the Saints. I look at their talent. They've disappointed me
Speaker 5: all season. This team should be better. I know Dennis
Speaker 5: Allen is not a good coach. He's probably getting fired,
Speaker 5: but I look at how they played last week, some
Speaker 5: of the Rams deficiencies, and I think the Saints can
Speaker 5: at least keep this close. Especially look at it was
Speaker 5: four and a half earlier this week. I took a
Speaker 5: little bit of it. I think it's just gonna be close.
Speaker 5: A Thursday night close game between two teams that are
Speaker 5: really really fighting for playoff spot.
Speaker 1: Second to last Thursday Night game of the year. Todter
Speaker 1: will anything on this tonight.
Speaker 4: I agree with everything Frank said.
Speaker 3: I was close to making it my third pick with
Speaker 3: the Saints, but I'm gonna go in a different direction.
Speaker 3: I just don't think they're gonna win the game, like
Speaker 3: I said, like Frank said, I could see Rams by
Speaker 3: a field goal. I don't love the Saints team the Rams.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're good enough on defense, So it's
Speaker 3: definitely I bet it.
Speaker 4: It's just not gonna be one of my three picks.
Speaker 2: God, I don't want to take the Rams. I just
Speaker 2: don't trust the Rams. I mean, I think they're pretty
Speaker 2: good on offense. I think they're like a a slightly
Speaker 2: above average team, but you can't really trust them, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't trust their defense at all. So that's
Speaker 2: why I don't want to lay lay the points there.
Speaker 2: And you know, I would lean to the over, but
Speaker 2: I don't love it either.
Speaker 1: If Puka Nakua averages six catches and one hundred and
Speaker 1: four yards receiving the last three games of the season,
Speaker 1: he will have broken both the receptions and receiving yards
Speaker 1: records for rookies in National Football League history, which I
Speaker 1: think is a little detail lost on most.
Speaker 4: Who has the record?
Speaker 1: Is it moss uh got to be miss Jefferson on reception?
Speaker 1: Yeah Jefferson, No, Jalen Waddle. Jalen Wattle had.
Speaker 6: A oh right, yeah, he had one hundred seven or
Speaker 6: something one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and four two years ago. And in terms of
Speaker 1: receiving yards, who could forget Bill Grohman's nineteen sixty season
Speaker 1: when he had fourteen hundred and seventy three yards or
Speaker 1: saving Who could forget that.
Speaker 3: Any of these guys there should be an asterisk because,
Speaker 3: like Moss is a rookie should have all the records.
Speaker 4: He was the most dominant rookie I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Where did Moss faith you know, end up on both
Speaker 1: of these lists. Moss in terms of receptions wasn't really
Speaker 1: even close, but he.
Speaker 3: Had a ton of tell you might have like twenty
Speaker 3: something touchdowns as a rookie.
Speaker 4: He was just off man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, seventeen eighteen, Yeah, he is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Oh, receiving yards, he is fifth all time receiving yards
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. Randy Moss would be fifth all time.
Speaker 2: They should change on should be.
Speaker 1: First, so one at a time will go ahead.
Speaker 3: I said they should change that from fifth to first.
Speaker 4: They should audit record though.
Speaker 3: That was not Culpeper, that was Brad Johnson. In the
Speaker 3: middle of the season, Randall Cunningham came.
Speaker 6: Cunningham, Yeah, I was at that game at Lambo.
Speaker 5: I was at that game at Lambo, and he just
Speaker 5: it was like watching a rocket ship landed a middle
Speaker 5: of the field, Like, Wow, the NFL is changed again.
Speaker 5: This guy is absolutely gonna be one of the greats
Speaker 5: of all time.
Speaker 6: And she ended up being that.
Speaker 4: Just a Monday night game.
Speaker 5: Ra Yeah, yeah, they broke the Packers long winning streak.
Speaker 5: They just blasted them as thirty seven twenty something. It
Speaker 5: wasn't even that close.
Speaker 4: Top Peterson played quarterback for the Packers that night.
Speaker 1: Top six all time seasons for receiving rookie rookie receiving
Speaker 1: yards Groman nineteen sixty again, who could Forget It? Twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, Chase hold On toime seem twenty twenty, Todd
Speaker 1: hold On one second, Todd twenty twenty one, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: and second twenty twenty, Jefferson in third two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: Anklon Bolden in fourth, nineteen ninety eight, Moss in fifth,
Speaker 1: and twenty fourteen, obj in sixth.
Speaker 6: Were you saying, ja miss like four games at the
Speaker 6: beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, Nikou was nice the season Nikko
Speaker 1: was in ninth. Currently, Todd, what were you saying?
Speaker 2: What team was Bill Groman on in nineteen sixty?
Speaker 1: Oh you had to ask, huh Bill? Bill Groman was
Speaker 1: on the AFL Houston team.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I do remember him. I'm throwing it was
Speaker 2: Pastorini to Groman. I totally remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was pre Pastorini too. Yeah, AFL Houston Oilers.
Speaker 1: By the way, how about the how about the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans going Houston Oilers throwbacks against the Houston Texans? Was
Speaker 1: that not the most distasteful thing ever? They like left
Speaker 1: Houston in a dispute and then they're like trolling them
Speaker 1: with the Houston Oilers throwbacks. Anyway.
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Speaker 1: All right, which brings us to our best bets one, two,
Speaker 1: and three. Uh Frank schwa from Yeah, Frank will start
Speaker 1: with one from you your number one?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know I get it road favorites. It
Speaker 5: always looks better than it is. But I really couldn't
Speaker 5: believe the Bengals are only giving two here. The Steelers
Speaker 5: look like they're just cooked, like they're just let's get
Speaker 5: the offseason here. They know their playoff hopes are done.
Speaker 5: And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I believe
Speaker 5: in Jake Browning. You watch your tape of this guy,
Speaker 5: and he's legit. What more do you want from him?
Speaker 5: He's throw for two or seventy five yards at each
Speaker 5: of the last three games. They've won each of those games,
Speaker 5: and he kind of thought in the Minnesota game, like,
Speaker 5: all right, he's turning O to a pumpkin. This is
Speaker 5: what we're getting out of Jake Browning. And then in
Speaker 5: that fourth quarter in overtime, it was like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: guess he's just good. I get I don't know how
Speaker 5: you can go until your fifth season removed from college
Speaker 5: without taking an NFL snap and be a good, viable
Speaker 5: NFL quarterback.
Speaker 6: But he's here. Do I like that Jamar Chase is
Speaker 6: not there? No, of course not.
Speaker 5: But I think this Bengals team is good, and I
Speaker 5: think they're kind of invigorated a little bit by the
Speaker 5: challenge of getting to the playoffs without Joe Burrow. Obviously
Speaker 5: they wish Joe Burrow was there. He's not, but I
Speaker 5: think they're like, we're gonna rally around this guy, and
Speaker 5: we're gonna make the playoffs without Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6: I like everything about this Bengals team.
Speaker 5: I like nothing about the Steelers team, and I was
Speaker 5: shocked it was less than field goal all day on
Speaker 5: the Bengals. Steelers somehow come back, rise up, whatever. I
Speaker 5: just haven't seen anything out of the Steelers team their
Speaker 5: last three games give me any kind of indication that
Speaker 5: they're alive this season.
Speaker 6: I just think they're waiting for.
Speaker 5: The offseason to get here and then we're gonna have
Speaker 5: a long conversation about Mike Tomlins.
Speaker 1: And Mason Rudolph is the starter for the.
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers save anything that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mason rud So. So the Steelers, in order to
Speaker 1: keep the Mike Tomlin never having had a losing season
Speaker 1: thing alive, must go one one in one down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and Mason Rudolph is their choice. Start those festivities off
Speaker 1: this weekend. God, what's your favorite?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if Yin's remembered it,
Speaker 2: but Mason Rudolph and that couldn't even beat out Doc
Speaker 2: Hodges and one of them seasons there. That's how bad
Speaker 2: Mason Mason Rudolph is that that he might be worse
Speaker 2: than Truebisky. Uh you know, I couldn't agree more with Frank.
Speaker 2: The Steelers look like we're in big We're in big,
Speaker 2: big trouble, and Mason Rudolph is not the I'd much
Speaker 2: rather have just Najee Harris lining up down there and
Speaker 2: you know, running the old uh, you know, running the
Speaker 2: old what do they call it? The wildcat? Just run
Speaker 2: the wildcat instead of uh, you know. Anyways, well, who
Speaker 2: am I going to How do.
Speaker 1: You feel about Najie Harris as a running back? Has
Speaker 1: he been a complete bust in your opinion?
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that the line is
Speaker 2: so bad. I mean, the line is just it never
Speaker 2: breaks any home. Although the other kid has been better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So maybe Najiherris is a bust.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a shame. I thought Naji Harris was going to
Speaker 2: be good. By the way. I agree with Frank. I
Speaker 2: think the Bengals have a little chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 2: They've hurt a little too much. Oh, Joe Burrows the
Speaker 2: greatest guy in the history of the world, and he's
Speaker 2: why we went to the Super Bowl, and the rest
Speaker 2: of us suck. You know what, There's some other good
Speaker 2: players on the Bengals, you know, and I think they
Speaker 2: may want to prove that they could go to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I actually had that as my fourth pick of the week.
Speaker 2: I was almost going to use that, but I changed
Speaker 2: my mind. Now, is it true that Taylor Heinike is
Speaker 2: going to be the starter for the Atlanta Falcons? As
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 1: To be true. So Desmond Ridder played the first eight
Speaker 1: games of the year, then they turned to Taylor Heinecke.
Speaker 1: He played two, Desmond Ridder played the next four. They
Speaker 1: went two and two, but apparently lost to Carolina last
Speaker 1: week was enough to Arthur Smith over the edge. So
Speaker 1: Heinike is the starter for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: And I'm going with the Falcons minus one. You know,
Speaker 2: the Falcons have some talent on offense, and I liked
Speaker 2: their offense a lot better when they had Taylor Heinekee
Speaker 2: playing quarterback than Ritter. Ridder throws these incredible interceptions where
Speaker 2: he's just staring the guys down. You just can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Last week he did you guys, what did me? In
Speaker 2: as well? And the megapod picks with that interception inside
Speaker 2: the five, I mean, you can't throw that in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, are they teaching him with the film?
Speaker 2: Do they have film over there in Atlanta and show
Speaker 2: him what he's doing wrong? Because it's ridiculous. But with Heinike,
Speaker 2: they did move the ball. I feel like he's a
Speaker 2: much better quarterback than Ritter and they have some talent.
Speaker 2: I think you also get them after an embarrassing week now,
Speaker 2: I mean how embarrassing it is to lose to the
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. You did not even score a touchdown. By
Speaker 2: the way, Oh, that was a great end game that
Speaker 2: I had. You asked me about end game before they
Speaker 2: had up in the second quarter of a monsoon, the
Speaker 2: Panthers to get less than one and a half touchdowns
Speaker 2: in the game minus one forty five. I said, are
Speaker 2: you kidding me? Wo, the Panthers can't may not get
Speaker 2: one touchdown, forget about two touchdowns. So I pounded that
Speaker 2: one under one and a half touchdowns minus one forty five.
Speaker 2: Early in the second quarter, when I saw that rain
Speaker 2: coming down, I was like, this is ridiculous. So okay, anyways,
Speaker 2: my point is the Falcons are probably going to be
Speaker 2: playing their best game this week. The Colts. You know,
Speaker 2: I hate to go against the Colts because I like them,
Speaker 2: But I just feel like, you know, you're you're getting
Speaker 2: one team on the on the low, you're getting the
Speaker 2: other team on the high. So I want to sell
Speaker 2: high by low. I'm gonna go with the Falcons minus one, all.
Speaker 1: Right, And it looks like I've been right. That could
Speaker 1: be the end of her Desmond Ridder period in Atlanta
Speaker 1: feels like. But we'll see will hill Wilson Hillson.
Speaker 4: I'll have what Todd's having.
Speaker 3: This is my first pick for all the reasons Todd
Speaker 3: mentioned not a Ridder guy.
Speaker 4: Heineke at least like.
Speaker 3: We He saw him play nose to nose with Tom
Speaker 3: Brady in a playoff game. But was that that COVID
Speaker 3: year in twenty twenty. He's okay, He's not the answer,
Speaker 3: he's not the solution, but he's better than Ritter. I
Speaker 3: have not understood all year, this loyalty to Ridder. He
Speaker 3: took a flyer on him in the.
Speaker 4: Middle of the draft. It didn't work.
Speaker 3: Look, he can throw the ball at all, he can
Speaker 3: run around. You're going to see why he's a backup
Speaker 3: at some point. But I think you get a little
Speaker 3: boost here.
Speaker 4: And also this is.
Speaker 3: A fate of Indie Indian's knocking on defense. Minshew's a
Speaker 3: turnover waiting to happen. Stikeen's done a good job propping
Speaker 3: him up, propping this team up, but this is still
Speaker 3: a very flawed team. So I will take Atlanta here.
Speaker 1: If you guys are right, and then Atlanta wins that game.
Speaker 1: Bet it's going to take the win out of the
Speaker 1: sales of Shane Steiken's Coach of the Year candidacy in
Speaker 1: a very competitive coach of the year market where Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell remains the short shot, followed by Demiico Ryans and
Speaker 1: Shane Stiken. Demiko Ryans has his own trouble in that
Speaker 1: category because CJ. Straud will be out it looks like
Speaker 1: from not getting out of concussion protocol again this week
Speaker 1: in their game against the Cleveland Browns. But that's another story.
Speaker 1: All right, me, I'm staking I do two. My first
Speaker 1: play is Todd get ready the Miami Dolphins. The Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Gillies waiting to get burned. We
Speaker 2: know what happens when they play a good team and
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are coming in off of destructive blow.
Speaker 1: Outlawst It's the Bully Bowl between the Cowboys and the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: two teams that generally crush everybody who's worse than them generally,
Speaker 1: and get popped in the mouth when they play somebody
Speaker 1: their own size. The Dolphins are only one point favorites
Speaker 1: now at home against the Cowboys. I love the Matt
Speaker 1: Brown think about the Cowboys defense, which is people think
Speaker 1: of them as having this great pass rush generating defense.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's my Parsons. No one else generates any
Speaker 1: pass rush at all. And I think that this speed
Speaker 1: of this Dolphins team, which unlike the Cowboys, who have
Speaker 1: these unbelievably stark home road splits where they're seven to
Speaker 1: zero at home with like a plus twenty four point
Speaker 1: point differential on average versus on the road where they're
Speaker 1: three and four, and they're actually in the minus numbers.
Speaker 1: Obviously on average, we know that the Dolphins are fast
Speaker 1: on any track. I actually think that they expose the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense here, and I think the Dolphins win the
Speaker 1: Bully Bowl and the Cowboys lose their second straight and
Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins, still reeling from that loss of
Speaker 1: the Titans two weeks ago, which really could have been
Speaker 1: a season killer, and still might yet prove to be
Speaker 1: a season killer for them if they end up having
Speaker 1: to go on the road in the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: the Dolphins get it done in one of the marquee matchups,
Speaker 1: one of two marquee matchups in the NFL this week.
Speaker 1: So the Dolphins are pick number one, my two and three. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I'll just start with my second ear. God help me.
Speaker 1: I don't like this team, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: live through this game. But I think the Raiders are
Speaker 1: getting too many points against the Chiefs. I think, what
Speaker 1: is it ten and a half hour? Ten? What are
Speaker 1: you giving me.
Speaker 2: Here, Bokmaker? I see ten most places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, most ten. Still, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: ten and a halfs, but most are tens. I'll take
Speaker 1: the ten with the Raiders. There is nothing I like
Speaker 1: about the Raiders. There really isn't, except for the fact
Speaker 1: that they play for Antonio Pierce. They still come out
Speaker 1: there and they play sixty two, laying a sixty two
Speaker 1: burger after they were shut out the previous week.
Speaker 2: It's actually a sixty three burger. Please, don't you know?
Speaker 1: Get it right, a sixty three burger. As Todd has corrected,
Speaker 1: me correctly, by the way, sixty three burger after getting
Speaker 1: shut out against the Vikings sixty three against the Chargers
Speaker 1: who were not wanting to play for Brandon Staley anymore.
Speaker 1: May he rest in peace. I'm taking the ten. I
Speaker 1: love it said. I still have a bet. I have
Speaker 1: a bet on the Chiefs number one seed to end
Speaker 1: up the number one seed in the AFC. I still
Speaker 1: think there's a path where the Chiefs do get to
Speaker 1: have the number one seed. I don't think they'll make
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, even if they are, because I think
Speaker 1: they're flawed this year. But ten is too many. This
Speaker 1: is just a numbers play. The Raiders traditionally give the
Speaker 1: Chiefs a lot of difficulty, even in the worst of
Speaker 1: times and the best of times for the Chiefs. So
Speaker 1: that totals forty one. It's a low ish total. So
Speaker 1: if you conflate the score, the spread, and the total,
Speaker 1: the market is expecting what like a a twenty six
Speaker 1: to sixteen, a twenty five to fifteen kind of game.
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders can surpass that. I'm taking the
Speaker 1: Raiders plus the points is my second pick.
Speaker 3: Wilson, Am I getting five or five and a half
Speaker 3: here with the Ravens.
Speaker 2: You, sir, getting You shouldn't You shouldn't have asked. You
Speaker 2: should have said, what is the line in the Ravens game?
Speaker 2: Because this way we can trust you guys.
Speaker 4: But if I try, but.
Speaker 2: We're not trustable. What you should have said, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens. I would say the five.
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of the forty nine ers Cardinals game.
Speaker 3: I had some live bets, I had some fantasy implications
Speaker 3: about to hopefully win a championship this week.
Speaker 4: No big deal.
Speaker 3: The forty nine Ers did not play good defense last week.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals for over four hundred and thirty yards of offense,
Speaker 3: over eight yards per carry, twenty two first downs over
Speaker 3: six yards per play. It wasn't just garbage time. It
Speaker 3: was the first drive of the game. Cardinals boom touchdown
Speaker 3: late in the game. I mean they if it wasn't
Speaker 3: for a pick six, look, forty Nineers were still gonna
Speaker 3: win that game. But that was a much closer game
Speaker 3: than I think the final score.
Speaker 4: The Ravens.
Speaker 3: There's this trend, and I'm not a huge trending guy,
Speaker 3: but there's a trend where they play really well against
Speaker 3: the NFC which makes sense because Lamar in that offense.
Speaker 4: It's an odd ball offense. It's hard to prepare for.
Speaker 4: It's unique.
Speaker 3: You get hardball as a dog, you get a good quarterback,
Speaker 3: you get a great kicker and Tucker. I mean, are
Speaker 3: the forty Night's the NFL or the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: are gonna win every game by fourteen plus points. They've
Speaker 3: won all these games by double digits. I could easily
Speaker 3: see in this be like a twenty seven to twenty
Speaker 3: four type of game. I actually thought about taking the
Speaker 3: over or too, because I think forty nine ers are
Speaker 3: going to get their thirty plus against pretty much everyone,
Speaker 3: and I think Baltimore moved the ball. But I'll take
Speaker 3: Baltimore plus the five. This is sort of a mini
Speaker 3: hedge too, if you have some long shot tickets on
Speaker 3: Brock Party, which we talked about early in the season, Gale,
Speaker 3: this is a nice way to hedge. You take Baltimore
Speaker 3: plus five. If San Fran wins this game, this is
Speaker 3: all on the table for Party to win it, and
Speaker 3: you can middle it too. You can hit your plus five.
Speaker 3: You can still hit Party MVP. But Ravens plus five
Speaker 3: is a pick here.
Speaker 1: I like that pick. Except for one thing. I think
Speaker 1: that Keaton Mitchell injury, which he's out for the year
Speaker 1: now with a torn acl He to me that was
Speaker 1: such a like as much as was made about an injury,
Speaker 1: I don't think enough was made about an injury. That
Speaker 1: injury to me for the Ravens rookie running back is
Speaker 1: the difference to me between them being a legit super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender and them not Super Bowl winning contender, I
Speaker 1: should say, because he added like there are so many
Speaker 1: chunk plays that he makes on a weekly basis that
Speaker 1: with the exception of Lamar, I don't know who else
Speaker 1: they go two for that. So that's the only sort
Speaker 1: of cautionary thing for me on that game. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to caution to make cautionary tales. That's
Speaker 1: your pick plus five on the Ravens. I like your
Speaker 1: idea about that being like a hedge on the party
Speaker 1: thing though, just in case, just in case, would you
Speaker 1: get pretty at twenty two to one?
Speaker 6: Will?
Speaker 1: Was that your first two to one week three?
Speaker 4: We talked about it on Robbers Games.
Speaker 1: Look at you, I haven't I got him sixteen to one? Yeah, Frank,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: And on the pretty train we don't worry about McCaffrey
Speaker 3: right that he's not gonna win.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: No, it's a running back running back, it's a quarterback
Speaker 5: a order. You have voters out there who say I
Speaker 5: will never vote for a non quarterback.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's just a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Ard.
Speaker 6: I got a little bit on Purty, not a ton.
Speaker 5: I've put so many chips out on everybody that at
Speaker 5: some point I'm gonna win. Some ticket might as well,
Speaker 5: like I just keep This race has been crazy.
Speaker 6: Though it has gone. Everybody seems to have taken a turn.
Speaker 5: I will say the one guy who I really don't
Speaker 5: have anything on who I think could win as Josh
Speaker 5: Allen because he's a safe pick. He's I think the
Speaker 5: Bills are going to win the AFC East just the
Speaker 5: way the schedules lined up for the Bills and Dolphins,
Speaker 5: and if the Bills end up coming from behind winning
Speaker 5: the AFC East, he's going to have forty five to
Speaker 5: fifty total touchdowns and he's a safe pick. I do
Speaker 5: think voters are going to get hung up a little
Speaker 5: bit on are we really voting.
Speaker 6: Brock Perty as the MVP? Do you don't want to
Speaker 6: be the guy who voted.
Speaker 5: Gino Torretta as a Heisman Trophy winner, right, Like, you
Speaker 5: want to make sure that this kind of holds up historically,
Speaker 5: and I think that they're gonna be a little nervous
Speaker 5: about voting party.
Speaker 1: It's a great point. But here's my counter to that point.
Speaker 1: And I've said this about why I bet Purty. In
Speaker 1: the end, it's one, two, three, four and five for
Speaker 1: these voters. It's not the same as it used to be,
Speaker 1: where it's one vote for one person, and so you
Speaker 1: can really win this by getting the most second place votes.
Speaker 1: And I think that more than anything points to Purty
Speaker 1: to me because to your point, because I think you're right, Frank,
Speaker 1: I think there is to be there's fifty voters, I think.
Speaker 1: And I've had Aaron Shots on multiple times and he's
Speaker 1: you know, as a quarterback thing. And you know, last
Speaker 1: the second last time I had him on, it was
Speaker 1: a Josh Allen guy. Now he was like a Perty
Speaker 1: or Prescott thing before Prescott had the bad game. But
Speaker 1: he agreed with me that like Purdy could get it
Speaker 1: based on that he'll be everybody's second place aboute if
Speaker 1: they don't go with him first. And so which is
Speaker 1: unlike say Comeback Player of the Year, which is one,
Speaker 1: two and three, which is a great point that he made,
Speaker 1: which is in the case of Damar Hamlin whose minus
Speaker 1: seven hundred as opposed to mine is two hundred on
Speaker 1: Purty in MVP Damar Hamlin for comeback for something as
Speaker 1: nebulous as Comeback Player of the Year. He's either your
Speaker 1: number one or he's not on your ballot at all,
Speaker 1: which I think is a fascinating distinction. Right. You either
Speaker 1: in your brain have him because he came back from
Speaker 1: almost dying on the field and making one tackle, or
Speaker 1: you don't value that as a criteria for the award
Speaker 1: at all, you know. So I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting. All of these are fascinating markets
Speaker 1: this year. I don't remember a year where we had
Speaker 1: this many that are that are so up up in
Speaker 1: the air. And I make the point this. I know
Speaker 1: everybody's got C. J. Stroud as the offensive Rookie the year,
Speaker 1: but that's why I bring up the puka Akua thing
Speaker 1: juxtaposed against Stroud, and Will made a great point the
Speaker 1: other day. So let's say he is you guys, don't
Speaker 1: hear me. Everybody I hear me. It's only Utah to
Speaker 1: Todd's like, I don't hear you. If Stroud, let's say
Speaker 1: so Stroud is unlikely to play this week, Let's say
Speaker 1: the Texans lose. You only have two games left in
Speaker 1: the season. Remember he had he didn't play last week,
Speaker 1: and he had a bad game against the Jets before that.
Speaker 1: If they if he somehow doesn't, isn't able to go,
Speaker 1: and concussions are weird. If he's unable to go in
Speaker 1: the second the last game, imagine if they lose that
Speaker 1: and they're knocked out of the playoff picture entirely, well,
Speaker 1: then Demiko Ryans isn't gonna get Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: And then why would you even bother playing right c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud the last we could of the season, even if
Speaker 1: he could go, because concussions, there's nothing more serious than
Speaker 1: a head injury, and you got to protect your your
Speaker 1: long term investment. So I guess the point I'm making
Speaker 1: about offensive Rookie of the Year is just throwing it into
Speaker 1: all the all those markets being up in the air.
Speaker 1: Is CJ. Stroud? His mine is ten thousand. But if
Speaker 1: that dude either doesn't play or played poorly in the
Speaker 1: last five games of the season. This over a quarter
Speaker 1: of the year. And if Puka Akua is setting records,
Speaker 1: is c J. Stroud still the offensive rookie of the
Speaker 1: year at that point?
Speaker 2: You sound like a guy who might have something to
Speaker 2: do with Kakua.
Speaker 1: No, I do a full disclosure. I do. But but
Speaker 1: you understand my thinking, right.
Speaker 2: I'm just teasing you. I agree with your thinking. I'm
Speaker 2: just teasing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know.
Speaker 2: It reminds me.
Speaker 4: It reminds me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember. I think it
Speaker 3: was twenty seventeen the NBA Rookie the year where Embiid
Speaker 3: was clearly the most dominant rookie but he only played
Speaker 3: like maybe half the season and Brogden was okay, but
Speaker 3: he played more, and I think they brog slightly. Is
Speaker 3: this would be sort of analogous if he does miss
Speaker 3: the last four games, played poorly in a fifth game,
Speaker 3: and then it's like, hey, what would you rather have
Speaker 3: the guy who was pretty good for all the season?
Speaker 3: The guy was great for like, you know, three quarters
Speaker 3: of the season. So it is interesting, and I do
Speaker 3: have Stroud under I think thirty five hundred passing yards.
Speaker 3: He's Basically, I think as long as he doesn't play
Speaker 3: high win. If he throws for like fifty more yards,
Speaker 3: I lose. So I'm right at the edge there. So
Speaker 3: hopefully oh Man health.
Speaker 4: To keep him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Embid played thirty one games that rookie year, thirty
Speaker 1: one and twenty sixteen to seventeen. Uh And as you said,
Speaker 1: would he average that year twenty point two points a game? Anyway?
Speaker 1: You know, but they didn't go with him. Okay, who
Speaker 1: are we on Dodd?
Speaker 2: Me? Yeah, by the way, you were saying, like, do
Speaker 2: you want to be the guy who who bets on
Speaker 2: Purdy to the one year? Did Nick Foles when he
Speaker 2: had twenty seven touchdowns and two interceptions? Did he win
Speaker 2: the MVP that year? I don't think so, right, No
Speaker 2: he did? No, No, he had that crazy year. So anyways,
Speaker 2: my second pick, I had the Ravens Circle too. But
Speaker 2: if Willie's gonna go with them, I'm I'm gonna switch
Speaker 2: it up. I'm gonna go with the Jacksonville Jagoffs and that. No,
Speaker 2: here's the thing you just have to say, jag you
Speaker 2: know that's a Pittsburgh work down here. If Yin's gonna
Speaker 2: give us some trouble. We're saying, hey, stop being a
Speaker 2: jag off. Okay. Anyways, the Jacksonville Jaguars played the Ravens
Speaker 2: on the primetime game. I felt the Jaguars. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you guys thought. I thought the Jaguars could
Speaker 2: easily won the game. I mean, they literally gave the
Speaker 2: game away. I believe they were inside the red zone
Speaker 2: one hundred times and scored zero points. They certainly played
Speaker 2: them toe to toe. Now, I've been high on the
Speaker 2: Jaguars all year, and everybody else has been saying I'm
Speaker 2: an idiot, and it looks like I have been an idiot.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I really think they're They're the kind
Speaker 2: of team that has the ability to play with anyone.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they should have. They could have easily
Speaker 2: won that game. There's no doubt they could have beaten
Speaker 2: the Ravens in that football game. But because they do
Speaker 2: stupid things and mess things up, you know, it ruins
Speaker 2: the game. But now they're going. Now you're getting them
Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay just went into Green Bay
Speaker 2: and played a great game, maybe their best game of
Speaker 2: the year, winning a game that they probably most people
Speaker 2: didn't think they were going to win. And now I
Speaker 2: get the Jaguars in a situation where probably all week
Speaker 2: they're kicking themselves, going, we should have beaten the Ravens.
Speaker 2: We played better than the Ravens, and we gave the
Speaker 2: game away to the Ravens. Can we just focus in here, guys?
Speaker 2: Can we get a little focus? And now you're going
Speaker 2: to Tampa Bay and getting one from the Buccaneers. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think the Jags are just slightly better than
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers. I think they're much better. And now I
Speaker 2: get them fully focused, give me the Jag offs plus one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Todd, just know that Trevor Lawrence also is
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol right now, so that might inform me.
Speaker 2: Is that why the line is so low?
Speaker 1: That is correct? Still?
Speaker 2: Wait, who's their back up again?
Speaker 1: Bethard? Bethard, No, j Bethart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I might have to change this now? Okay, Frank,
Speaker 2: I'm going away from the Jaguars to Frank for two
Speaker 2: and come back by Frank.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, second pick.
Speaker 6: I like the Minnesota Vikings. I think if you get
Speaker 6: me to three and a half, it's three or three
Speaker 6: and a half.
Speaker 5: Either one I'm fine with because I think his Vikings
Speaker 5: team is pretty good.
Speaker 6: They're well coached.
Speaker 5: I like Kevin O'Connell, and I thought Nickmullens played well
Speaker 5: last week. He made some mistakes, but it was his
Speaker 5: first start forever. I think he cleaned some of that
Speaker 5: up justin Jefferson's a little healthier and a lot of
Speaker 5: this is just kind of a fade of the Lions.
Speaker 6: And I know you've talked about this all season.
Speaker 5: Goal really that you've been low on the Lions, lower
Speaker 5: than consensus, and I've kind of.
Speaker 6: Come around to that where this Lions team is good.
Speaker 5: I'm not, you know, saying that they're a total fraud
Speaker 5: or anything, but they're certainly not as good as a record.
Speaker 5: I don't believe, not as good as a hype. We've
Speaker 5: seen that for weeks and weeks. The fact that they
Speaker 5: blasted the Broncos doesn't mean a whole lot to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, you look at that game and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right. The Broncos stink. They're not really a very
Speaker 5: good team. Great for the Lions to get right, but
Speaker 5: I think they go on the road in a tough environment.
Speaker 1: Let team.
Speaker 5: The loss of the Bears two weeks ago and really
Speaker 5: got handled by the Bears. So I really like the
Speaker 5: Vikings getting especially if I can get more in the
Speaker 5: field goal. Take the Vikings there, I think, and the
Speaker 5: Vikings know that. You know they're during the wildcard race.
Speaker 5: But there's also a scenario where the Vikings are playing
Speaker 5: the Lions.
Speaker 6: A week eighteen for the NFC North.
Speaker 5: I mean, as crazy as that sounds, because I don't
Speaker 5: remember who they have Week seventeen, that's an easy game.
Speaker 5: The Lions have to go play at the Cowboys. The
Speaker 5: Vikings win Sunday. If the Lions lose to the Cowboys a
Speaker 5: week seventeen and the Vikings win week teams for the
Speaker 5: NFC North Championship.
Speaker 6: As crazy as that sounds, the Vikings know what's on
Speaker 6: the line. I'll take the Vikings all day. Three and
Speaker 6: a half and my third pick I was way before.
Speaker 2: You go further, Before you go any further, Frank, what
Speaker 2: are we giving him on that? Guys?
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Nick Mullins, And the Vikings are three.
Speaker 1: I've had more threes than three and a halfs I
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 2: Still wanted Frank at three?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with three. Obviously you don't
Speaker 5: love it as much. But by the way, I still
Speaker 5: think I think they went straight up. I'm not really
Speaker 5: truly that worried about the three three and a half
Speaker 5: because I think this Vikings team is live on Sunday.
Speaker 1: By the way, to answer your question, Vikings host the
Speaker 1: Packers next week on Monday.
Speaker 5: Night, Packers and they easily win that at home against
Speaker 5: the Packers.
Speaker 6: Packers very up and down.
Speaker 5: I know we don't like doubling up, but I was
Speaker 5: gonna double up anyway because my two picks I was
Speaker 5: deciding on here with the Ravens and the Dolphins.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: And look, I can't logically tell you why the Cowboys
Speaker 5: are such a weird home road team, but it's a thing.
Speaker 5: It's a real thing. Gil, you talked about some of
Speaker 5: these stats. I'm gonna add on to it a little bit.
Speaker 5: At home seven old, like you said, plus one seventy
Speaker 5: one point differential at home, minus four point differential on
Speaker 5: the road. Since at least nineteen thirty three, there's been
Speaker 5: no no team in NFL history sinsiety thirty three to
Speaker 5: be at least plus one seventy at home and have
Speaker 5: a negative road differential.
Speaker 1: I just you're terrible thirty three, he said, Wow.
Speaker 6: At least nineteen thirty the modern era.
Speaker 5: I saw that Bobby belt of one of five point
Speaker 5: three the fan in Dallasy. He had that stat out there.
Speaker 5: I didn't double check it, but it sounds right. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just crazy that they just go on to road
Speaker 5: and they're a different team.
Speaker 6: I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I can't explain it, but I do know it's a thing.
Speaker 5: And for all the reasons you talked about, I just
Speaker 5: I think that this Miami team is ready to get
Speaker 5: to first quality win. I still like this team even
Speaker 5: though they haven't beat anybody.
Speaker 6: And I will say this.
Speaker 5: Dallas's offense took off when they started funneling everything through
Speaker 5: CD Lamb, which he absolutely should He's phenomenal. The Dolphins
Speaker 5: got Jalen Ramsey. It's a tough matchup. I don't think
Speaker 5: Ceede Lambs was going to cook him one hundred thirty
Speaker 5: yards in his game. So I think that that part
Speaker 5: is a little bit of a bad matchup for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Give me the Dolphins. I think they get their first
Speaker 5: quality win of the year.
Speaker 1: And you know what else, Frank, that neither of us
Speaker 1: mentioned that we probably should have at the top is
Speaker 1: it's Mike McDaniel versus Mike McCarthy, and I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 5: You know what, Gil, I do have to say. I
Speaker 5: think Mike McCarthy is to the point, and I know
Speaker 5: you're gonna laugh.
Speaker 6: That's fine.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm gonna say already. He's criminally underrated
Speaker 5: if you just do applied resume, Tessa. Mike McCarthy, he's good,
Speaker 5: He's had a great career. He just has a bad
Speaker 5: pr guy Like I mean, you look at his is
Speaker 5: I get every reason why people are Don McCarthy and
Speaker 5: all the stuff, but he's everybody laughed at him. Oh
Speaker 5: you're taking over the play call and you're gonna stink
Speaker 5: and they've had one of the best offenses in football.
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy just has as an image problem I think.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't disagree with with the fact that
Speaker 1: he is probably at this point underrated. I think you're
Speaker 1: probably right about that because we've hammered him for so
Speaker 1: many years that we that he probably is underrated. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, was it recently as two or three
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He still has those moments man where he
Speaker 1: does something so dumb, and I just wonder if it's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to something like that. Well, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But I think your point as well taken
Speaker 1: on McCarthy, Todd, you got to do.
Speaker 2: Two now, I would say, yeah, I would say he
Speaker 2: should be held civilly, uh, but not criminally in the
Speaker 2: in the under civiy civilly we could probably do it.
Speaker 1: Did I tell you about my my jury duty last week?
Speaker 1: By the way, I had jury duty, Todd, and I
Speaker 1: had I got out of it, by the way. But
Speaker 1: it was a it was a speaking of civil and
Speaker 1: criminal it was a sex trafficking case and as well,
Speaker 1: and as we came in from one of the breaks.
Speaker 1: This is my like my advice of the United States
Speaker 1: legal system. The defendants, the the alleged UH committers of
Speaker 1: this crime were in the atrium downstairs of this big
Speaker 1: courthouse in in Las Vegas. And as I'm coming in
Speaker 1: from the UH from break, the woman it was a duo.
Speaker 1: It was a guy and a girl who were alleged
Speaker 1: to have prostituted a young girl and use the proceeds
Speaker 1: to fuel their lifestyle. And I heard the girl, what's
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 2: That frowned upon again?
Speaker 1: Now is that what? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: I was making a.
Speaker 1: Frown upon? I'm sorry? Is that frownd upon? And she
Speaker 1: is on the phone as I walk in, swear to
Speaker 1: guy going going going, that motherfucker got off his case.
Speaker 1: There ain't no fucking way I'm settling mind. And I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I'm like, I probably shouldn't have heard that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should go to the judge and sort of
Speaker 1: say because you could. At that point, I could have
Speaker 1: gotten off from being like I'm influenced by her, she's
Speaker 1: very aggressive, or I could have been like, I really
Speaker 1: respect her passion, I'm on her side. I could have
Speaker 1: taken it anyway. That was my since you brought up
Speaker 1: criminal versus Sibyl, sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the Heald criminal justice system interluded,
Speaker 2: yes portion of our program. Okay, my second pick, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go away from the Jags because of the quarterback situation.
Speaker 2: Thank you for pointing that out.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Bay Packers minus the five
Speaker 2: at Carolina. I think that the Carolina Panthers are still
Speaker 2: a very very bad team on offense, and you know
Speaker 2: they did nothing last week to make me think they could.
Speaker 2: By the way, there's no way they should have even
Speaker 2: won the game, and it probably shouldn't have even been close,
Speaker 2: but Desmond Rider did them in. But you know, the
Speaker 2: Packers have had a little resurgence. Now they have a
Speaker 2: little you know, bump in the road losing to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2: I don't see why they can't beat the Panthers by
Speaker 2: five points. It's less than a touchdown. The Panthers can't score,
Speaker 2: so you know, I like, if you're gonna lay points
Speaker 2: against the team, it's always good to go against a
Speaker 2: team that can't score. And I think the Packers will
Speaker 2: get enough. So give me the Packers minus five, and
Speaker 2: then for my third, you want me to do my
Speaker 2: third right away?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, my third, I was gonna go with with Will's
Speaker 2: Ravens pick. I like that one also, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to go with the under in the Texans Browns game.
Speaker 2: I believe it's forty or forty and a half.
Speaker 1: What do you guys have, Texans Browns forty forty forty
Speaker 1: more forties than forty and a half.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go on under forty. The Browns had
Speaker 2: no business winning that game on Sunday. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: You know, that's basically the Bears just handing them the win.
Speaker 2: They did nothing on offense, I mean absolutely nothing the
Speaker 2: entire game. Joe Flacco. I still think Walker is better
Speaker 2: than Flacco. But you know, Joe Flacco throws one or
Speaker 2: two nice deep balls in the game. He did have
Speaker 2: that one beautiful throw on the on the last drive,
Speaker 2: but he throws some really bad balls. He threw a
Speaker 2: pick six, another one should have been a pick sick.
Speaker 2: I mean, he just he's not very good Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: There's a reason he was on the street before this season.
Speaker 2: And I just don't see the Browns being offensively that good.
Speaker 2: The Texans. Now, who's playing quarterback? Is it Keenum? Is
Speaker 2: is it Davis Mills? Is it CGT? We have no
Speaker 2: idea who's even playing. And the brown are a good
Speaker 2: defensive team, so give me the under forty. Also, they
Speaker 2: don't have Tank Dell anymore the Texans. I think he
Speaker 2: was a big part of that offense, So give me
Speaker 2: under forty. In that game, I just think the Browns
Speaker 2: will try whatever they can to just grind it out,
Speaker 2: ground and pound it the whole game. Say, look, let's
Speaker 2: not let Flaco beat us with a pick six like
Speaker 2: he almost did last week, and let's just get out
Speaker 2: of here seventeen fourteen somehow and give me one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty in the grounds.
Speaker 1: It should be Keith Ketem a case Keenum as far
Speaker 1: as we know right now, if CJ. Stroud is unable
Speaker 1: to go, and this is a game, the Browns Texans
Speaker 1: game is really like both teams sort of had luckbox wins.
Speaker 1: The Browns probably shouldn't have been in that position, because
Speaker 1: you're right, the Bears offense didn't do anything, but like
Speaker 1: that Flacco to Cooper game tying touchdown pass, I don't
Speaker 1: know how that got through. And then the Texans was
Speaker 1: the most luck boxy win of them all, where Keenom
Speaker 1: somehow got them that final drive. So it should be
Speaker 1: an interesting game. Todd going under on the forty, Really,
Speaker 1: what you got?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lay it with the Eagles. I think we're
Speaker 3: looking at what eleven and a half twelve? I'm okay
Speaker 3: laying in the twelve year Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3: Think this is a spot where they get back on track.
Speaker 3: The weakness for the Eagles as we've seen it is
Speaker 3: their secondary. Tommy Devido in the gang is not going
Speaker 3: to really exploit that. Philly has a good front four,
Speaker 3: a good pass rush. The Giants are not good up front.
Speaker 3: I just feel like this is one where the Philly
Speaker 3: gets a lead, they're feeling good. It's a you know,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a standalone game here. The crowd is
Speaker 3: going to be into it. They sort of need this game.
Speaker 3: So you worry when you're laying double digits, Hey, is
Speaker 3: this team going to be focused? Are they gonna be
Speaker 3: motivated when you've.
Speaker 4: Lost three in a row.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be focused. They're gonna be motivated. They're gonna
Speaker 3: play a full sixty minutes here. So I could easily
Speaker 3: see this game being, you know, thirty one to ten,
Speaker 3: thirty four to ten, something like that.
Speaker 4: So I'm not afraid to lay it here with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: I know there's this I think you call it too
Speaker 3: cool for school crowd gil where it's like, oh, you
Speaker 3: can't lay double digit the NFL if you go back
Speaker 3: to last I think it's like ten years, which is
Speaker 3: a decent sample size here in the NFL, double digit
Speaker 3: favorites take you're better off laying it and taking it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those against you know what kind of what we thought.
Speaker 3: You know, we've always heard in terms of conventional wisdom,
Speaker 3: where you can't can't lay the DOUBLEJNFL.
Speaker 4: So I think the Eagles role here. I think they
Speaker 4: get back on track. Eagles minus the twelve.
Speaker 1: We should point out because of Christmas, this is a
Speaker 1: funky week right. There's the Thursday night game tonight between
Speaker 1: the Saints and the Rams. Then we have two Saturday
Speaker 1: games the Bengals, Steelers and the Bills Chargers. Then we
Speaker 1: have six early Sunday games December twenty fourth, three afternoon
Speaker 1: games and then the Sunday night game, and then three
Speaker 1: on Monday, Christmas Day Raiders, Chiefs, Giants, Eagles, Ravens, Niners
Speaker 1: to close the weekend. Man great, Okay, I hate my
Speaker 1: third pick, but I have to make it. I think
Speaker 1: the Broncos are given too many points against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm taking the Patriots, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the six and a half with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: The total is thirty four. So again, let's do the
Speaker 1: let's do the score total conflation.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, what is it? Twenty to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty to fourteen, correct something like that. I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots can keep it within six against this six and
Speaker 1: a half rather with this Broncos team. I don't love
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I don't like anything that they were doing,
Speaker 1: but they did show a pulse here recently, and I
Speaker 1: think the Broncos again are sort of criminally. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. Like that was one of the
Speaker 1: ones we got totally right last week. Like the love
Speaker 1: for the Broncos was so over the top anecdotally. It
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily in the market because it bounced back and
Speaker 1: forth in the market all week against the Lions. But
Speaker 1: like I was all about the Lions. I think the
Speaker 1: Broncos were plus twelve and turnovers in the last four
Speaker 1: of that five game winning streak. They had just beaten
Speaker 1: easton Stick and the Chargers, and people are like, people
Speaker 1: want to make Sean Payton and the Broncos into something.
Speaker 1: And by the way, they may yet make the playoffs
Speaker 1: because their last three games are very easy, and they
Speaker 1: ought to win this game against the Patriots. But six
Speaker 1: and a half, I will take it, Bill Belichick going
Speaker 1: up against Sean Payton, Give me the six and a
Speaker 1: half on the Pats, and I will not enjoy that
Speaker 1: whole experience taking the six and a half, but I
Speaker 1: will nonetheless take them all right, Which brings us to
Speaker 1: our teaser of the week, Frank, what's your favorite two
Speaker 1: team six point teaser of the week, Sir, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't love a whole lot. I can't lie.
Speaker 5: I looked at this one the longest out of everything.
Speaker 5: Just going to kind of be a little boring here
Speaker 5: and take a couple NFC North teams. I'll go with
Speaker 5: the Packers and the Bears. Packers for all the reasons
Speaker 5: Todd talked about the Panthers still stink like I was
Speaker 5: on the Falcons too, like all of us were at
Speaker 5: last week, and the Panthers didn't really win that game.
Speaker 5: The Falcons just gave it away because Arthur Smith. So
Speaker 5: I just don't see the Panthers winning this game. I
Speaker 5: don't think the Packers are very good, but they could
Speaker 5: beat the Panthers, okay, and then the Bears. It's a
Speaker 5: weird comparison between the lines. Where they were only plus
Speaker 5: three at the Browns, they're only minus four against the
Speaker 5: Cardinals at home. Tell me that there's a way if
Speaker 5: you're giving two points for home field advantage. There's only
Speaker 5: a three point difference on a neutral field between the
Speaker 5: Browns and the Cardinals.
Speaker 6: Like that, that doesn't make sense to me. I thought
Speaker 6: this line was too low.
Speaker 5: I think the Bears win this game against the Cardinals
Speaker 5: team that's not exactly going to be happy to be
Speaker 5: playing in the cold, in the rain in Chicago. So
Speaker 5: I think Packers Bears get him under a field goal.
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that teaser.
Speaker 1: This is I think this is going to be going
Speaker 1: to be one of the rare teaser weeks where all
Speaker 1: of us have a different one. Todd, what's yours?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the teasers were very difficult to find this week.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Titans up to eight
Speaker 2: and a half. You know, I don't like the Titans,
Speaker 2: but you know, somehow they usually play close games. They
Speaker 2: found a way even to beat Miami in that crazy
Speaker 2: game down fourteen late. I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 2: the Seahawks, whether you have Gino Smith or Drew Locker,
Speaker 2: whoever plays quarterback over there.
Speaker 1: Gina was a full practice yesterday, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even with Gino, I don't don't think the Seahawks
Speaker 2: are that great that they're going to go in and
Speaker 2: blow out the Titans. So I think the Titans and
Speaker 2: also the Titans, you know, they tend to play these
Speaker 2: you know, lower scoring games in the sense that you know,
Speaker 2: they run the ball a lot and they try to
Speaker 2: you know, protect the quarterback. So give me the Titans
Speaker 2: plus the eight and a half and then give me
Speaker 2: the Bronx to win the game minus a half against
Speaker 2: the Patriots. You know, I mean, the Patriots are what
Speaker 2: they are, what the Patriots are what we thought they are.
Speaker 2: They are a team with no quarterback. And now I
Speaker 2: don't like the Broncos, but at home, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think they should have a problem beating the Patriots.
Speaker 2: So just give me the Broncos minus half.
Speaker 1: As the other side, way, Will Levis did not practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: we might see the return of Ryan Tannehill that game between.
Speaker 2: Them, I'd rather have Ryan. I'd rather have Ryan Tannehil.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, they just put up some on
Speaker 1: those TV screens here at the d and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about the Patriots there they put up somebody.
Speaker 1: Are the Patriots trying to set up a bidding war
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick? Do you think teams would get in
Speaker 1: a bidding war for Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: I don't it's I don't think the mechanics of it
Speaker 5: work because he's all, what are the Patriots?
Speaker 6: What are the Patriots gonna do?
Speaker 5: Or are they gonna say, Yeah, Bill, we're firing you, But
Speaker 5: we're not really firing. You're going to keep you until
Speaker 5: there's a trade and then we're going to hire our
Speaker 5: new coach. Well, you're still on our He makes a
Speaker 5: lot of money, like Robertcraft, still gonna be paying him
Speaker 5: every day he's there. I don't think the mechanics work
Speaker 5: that well, but I could see it the Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick is going to be the Chargers coach, right, Like.
Speaker 3: I would love to see, just as a football fan,
Speaker 3: I would like to see, like Brady had his moment
Speaker 3: post Belichick. I would like to see Belichick, you know,
Speaker 3: with a good team, a good coach. Him and Herbert
Speaker 3: would make like I'm rooting for that.
Speaker 4: I want to see that happen.
Speaker 1: I would specifically the Chargers, I would like to see, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that would be Yeah, that would be wonderful to
Speaker 1: see because if it doesn't go well, it does a
Speaker 1: couple things. Brandon Staley ain't that bad? Then if Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick can't do anything with it. And also, Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: ultimately wasn't the coach we thought he was. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he just wasn't all come on as great as as
Speaker 1: great as he was. No, he's still a first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, don't get me wrong, But there has
Speaker 1: to be a sentence at the end of everybody talking
Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick of yeah, but when he didn't have Grady,
Speaker 1: he kind of sucked because if he can't win with
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, that set that phrase has to exist.
Speaker 6: Where it you know, but you know, wels can't win
Speaker 6: with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert can't win with Justin Herbert? Are we Justin
Speaker 5: Herbert's the most overrated player in the NFL A right,
Speaker 5: you think?
Speaker 6: So, like, what's he done? What's he done?
Speaker 1: He hasn't done.
Speaker 3: He had a nice week last week though, even though
Speaker 3: he didn't play. That was his best week because you
Speaker 3: saw what that.
Speaker 1: Team mark about it, because he saw that's right exactly.
Speaker 6: I like Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5: I think he's good, but we've just given him a
Speaker 5: pass since his rookie year of like, oh yeah, he's
Speaker 5: a late never mind that he never comes through in
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, ever, and we judge every other quarterback
Speaker 5: that way. Justin, Justin Herbert has just been on scholarships
Speaker 5: since his rookie year. He doesn't look at his Everybody
Speaker 5: else gets judged by the record. Why doesn't Justin Herbert
Speaker 5: Like it's if Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott are looking
Speaker 5: at that guy, like, why do we get that pass?
Speaker 5: Why don't we get that treatment?
Speaker 6: Anyway, that's why.
Speaker 1: No, it's a good point. Justin Herbert's career record. Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's career record thirty two is thirty and thirty three.
Speaker 1: It's nice to compare it to Tua's because they were
Speaker 1: drafted right next to each other. Tua's career record is
Speaker 1: thirty one and seventeen. By comparison.
Speaker 5: On the cholarship man, you got a big arm. You
Speaker 5: can throw the ball a lot, not to anybody in
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, but he's got a big arm.
Speaker 3: Say what you're saying? Will what'd you say? They I
Speaker 3: play on different teas. I mean that's Hill and Waddle.
Speaker 3: I mean if you give Herbert and I think, look Herbert,
Speaker 3: that talent gets overrated, Like, oh, Eckler's this great player.
Speaker 4: Eckler.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever had a thousand yard Russian season.
Speaker 3: He's always hurt.
Speaker 4: He now is always hurt. They're not good on defense.
Speaker 4: Who's the other receiver? Williams is always hurt? I just
Speaker 4: I think Herbert's talent has been over raet to.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the thing is Turbert has
Speaker 1: had talent, though, right, Keenan Allen is as good as
Speaker 1: it gets, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, no, as good as it gets as a
Speaker 3: receiver in the end, like you think he's as good
Speaker 3: as Hill.
Speaker 1: No, okay, maybe not as good as it gets. But
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't be knocking let's we shouldn't be knocking
Speaker 1: the talent around him he's got. He has. He has
Speaker 1: plenty more talent than a lot of teams have around him,
Speaker 1: for sure, Oh I do. Like, I mean, how many
Speaker 1: teams have as much receiver talent as he has? Over
Speaker 1: like to have a guy like Keenan Allen weekend and
Speaker 1: week out, to have a Mike Williams, to have you know, Uhler, well,
Speaker 1: you know they do have injuries. But I guess listen,
Speaker 1: what it speaks to is a point about football itself,
Speaker 1: which is football is the hardest sport to make these
Speaker 1: kinds of judgments about, right, because there are different coordinators,
Speaker 1: there are different systems, and there's different levels of tent line,
Speaker 1: and the offensive line is is gigantic, which is why
Speaker 1: I go back to the coaching point, which to me
Speaker 1: is a cleaner comparison. Again, they'll get all my soapbox.
Speaker 1: But if you've got a coach winning three Super Bowls
Speaker 1: with three mediocre quarterbacks back in the day, like a
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson Gibbs, and then you got a Belichick who's
Speaker 1: had Tom Brady the goat for all these years, but
Speaker 1: then when Tom Brady disappears, all of a sudden, you suck.
Speaker 2: He was kind of bad with Tom Brady at the end.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, at some point, you do have
Speaker 1: to have a phrase at the end. Again, people go
Speaker 1: to the opposite, Oh Gil said Bill Beljake's up. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not first ballot Hall of Famer because he did
Speaker 1: what he did, But you do have to have that
Speaker 1: sentence at the end for me. For me, one man's opinion.
Speaker 2: By the way, can you wear a hoodie in the dome? Though?
Speaker 2: That's the question. If he goes to San Diego and
Speaker 2: now he's in that hot weather. You can't wear a
Speaker 2: hoodie in there.
Speaker 1: No, it's an excellent point, Hut.
Speaker 2: As always, that would be a big problem because I
Speaker 2: think he believe he has to wear the hoodie. What
Speaker 2: does he wear? He always wears the hoodie, doesn't he
Speaker 2: He does?
Speaker 1: He didn't used to though many many years ago. Right,
Speaker 1: he's just where your Cleveland Brown's and your Patriots thing.
Speaker 1: And then once he got to the hoodie, never let
Speaker 1: it go? Will what is your teaser?
Speaker 4: I will go Steelers.
Speaker 3: That's just a lot of points in the Steelers Bengals game,
Speaker 3: Browning on the road. I know we've been impressed with Browning,
Speaker 3: but the Bengals don't have Chase, they.
Speaker 4: Don't have Reader.
Speaker 3: I'll take the Steelers and I'll throw it with the Titans.
Speaker 3: I would expect this, you know, Seattle Tennessee game to
Speaker 3: be close. Seattle on the road is a different team
Speaker 3: short rest. So I will go Titans and I will
Speaker 3: go Steelers in that.
Speaker 1: I am in that. I am gonna go the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1: Give me seven with them against the Falcons. I'll take
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and the Colts getting all those points on
Speaker 1: the road against the Falcons and Taylor Henekey, and I'll
Speaker 1: pair the Colts with the Minnesota Vikings. These are not wongers,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. It is not a want to tell ye, well,
Speaker 1: good luck for fez finding any wongs? Are there any wongs?
Speaker 1: Are there any wongs this week? Yeah, there's a couple, but.
Speaker 4: That's you're gonna be in big trouble, Gilly.
Speaker 1: I don't even see one wong, do you well?
Speaker 3: If you went Bengals and the ones we did Bengals, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few, you're right, Yeah, No, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing those. I'm going Colts and Vikings. Coltson Vikings for me,
Speaker 1: all right? Which brings us to our final two questions
Speaker 1: of each and every megapod. First one, which of the
Speaker 1: big favorites in your opinion is the most likely to lose? Outright?
Speaker 1: Your choices are on Saturday, a game we have not
Speaker 1: even mentioned. The Bills eleven and a half twelve point
Speaker 1: favorites on the road against the Charge the East and
Speaker 1: stick led Los Angeles Chargers. That is choice number one?
Speaker 1: Good God? Is that the only choice?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: I got to throw in the couple games on Monday
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are ten point favorites at home against the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and the Eagles thirteen or twelve and a half somewhere
Speaker 1: in there. What do we end up giving will for
Speaker 1: that one? Todd?
Speaker 2: You know, he said twelve and a half, and I
Speaker 2: think there's enough twelve and all the book mayors thirteen.
Speaker 2: But twelve and a half. I think we can give them.
Speaker 1: Twelve and a half, yeah, for sure. And then the
Speaker 1: Eagles twelve and a half point favorites at home against
Speaker 1: the Giants. So Bills, your choices again are Bills, Chiefs, Eagles.
Speaker 1: One of them will lose. If one of them loses,
Speaker 1: who is it?
Speaker 5: Frank, I don't really believe this, but I'll make a
Speaker 5: case against the Bills, because look, they're coming off of
Speaker 5: this stretch. Their last three games have been at Philly,
Speaker 5: at Kansas City versus Dallas. They're gonna look at this
Speaker 5: as a breather. Oh good, this is easy part of
Speaker 5: our schedule. We get to walk this week. So I
Speaker 5: think that this is a little bit of a letdown
Speaker 5: spot for them. And we've seen teams fire their coach
Speaker 5: and have a dead cat bounce right like we've seen,
Speaker 5: You're gonna play harder.
Speaker 6: We saw it the Raiders.
Speaker 5: Maybe the Chargers didn't like Brandon Staley. It certainly didn't
Speaker 5: seem like they liked them when they were giving up
Speaker 5: sixty three points and getting them fired the other day.
Speaker 5: So maybe we see a little bit of an effort
Speaker 5: out of the Chargers, a little bit of a letdown
Speaker 5: from the Bills, and this game is closer than we think.
Speaker 5: Do I really truly believe the Chargers are beating the Bills?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: But of these three, that's easily the one that I.
Speaker 1: Thought, you say, But you asked the damn questioned Gil,
Speaker 1: So I had to answer, By the way, a dead
Speaker 1: cat bounce in a in an age of political correctness,
Speaker 1: how has that lasted dead cat bounce?
Speaker 2: What it has to do with a cat bouncing when
Speaker 2: it falls from a high thing, is what's correct?
Speaker 6: The cat that jumped, it's not me. I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the ones to criticize it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying dead.
Speaker 2: But what's the political part?
Speaker 1: Well, the dead part? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does the cat live after the bounce?
Speaker 6: Is a cat alive when it's bounce?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't think anybody's in favor
Speaker 2: or not in.
Speaker 1: Favor, cat bro, Let me tell you something. When I
Speaker 1: called a soccer you know, these big soccer tournaments, these
Speaker 1: global soccer tournaments, and I called one of them the
Speaker 1: group of Death. I was told we don't say that anymore.
Speaker 1: And I said, who am I offending the dead? And
Speaker 1: they were like, well, yeah, so believe me. These policemen
Speaker 1: are all over the place for all this stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm not making the case. I'm just pointing out, good God, Todd,
Speaker 1: Tod Wish, nev surprise, we haven't Todd Wish. You know
Speaker 1: what I love about most about you, Todd, is when
Speaker 1: you get surprisingly serious at any given moment. That's really
Speaker 1: my favorite aspect of you. It's my favorite thing of
Speaker 1: all my Todd Wish to have favorite things. It's when
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden surprisingly get serious.
Speaker 2: Understand what the political correctness feature of that discussion is.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I got your political correctness right here. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm uh, Todd, what is yours? Of those three? What's
Speaker 1: the most likely to lose? Act?
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass that. I'll take the raiders to
Speaker 2: beat the chiefs too. You know the chiefs they like
Speaker 2: to throw the voter guys who dropped the ball, and
Speaker 2: in National Football League that's typically not the best thing
Speaker 2: in the world. So they could lose to anyone. You
Speaker 2: know that they lost to the bron because they lost
Speaker 2: the you know, Chiefs could lose.
Speaker 1: That's mine too, Will.
Speaker 4: Chargers, I could see keeping it close, actually winning.
Speaker 3: I guess I'll go with it, just because, like Frank said,
Speaker 3: the spot Chargers were humiliated. Figure, they show some pride, Bills, right,
Speaker 3: they save their season against the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: They beat up on the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You where they catch their breath here they you know,
Speaker 3: they're a little laxic, daisical, and the Chargers hang around.
Speaker 3: So I guess I'll just say Bills. Although I don't
Speaker 3: believe it, I will say this. There will probably be
Speaker 3: a lot of three team ten point teasers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Bills, Bills.
Speaker 4: Chiefs, and Eagles all standalone games. You get them all
Speaker 4: under a field goal. And I can't really say I
Speaker 4: disagree with it.
Speaker 1: But the Chargers have no talent, Will how could they
Speaker 1: possibly win that game?
Speaker 3: I I apologize Austin Eckleer, who's never had a thousand
Speaker 3: yard season. Obviously, you know the next uh, one of
Speaker 3: the great running backs Walt time. I do think their
Speaker 3: their talent's a little overrated. My hot take is their
Speaker 3: uniforms are so cool that we're all visual people, they
Speaker 3: are better.
Speaker 1: Maybe that could be. I think the Eagles.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are not the I think they are what
Speaker 2: we thought they were. Everyone was saying how lucky they
Speaker 2: are they even against Seattle. I mean, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: a ton of time to throw. They're not averaging you
Speaker 2: yards per play anymore. There's something wrong over there and Hurt.
Speaker 2: This doesn't look to me like he's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: He looks a little scuffed up a bit. I think
Speaker 2: the Eagles are in big trouble.
Speaker 1: The Eagles the franchise that won their Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: replay rules from the future that didn't exist that previous
Speaker 1: You know that that whole season. Never forget by the way,
Speaker 1: the Eagles, I think were great last year. That was
Speaker 1: their year, and I feel like they've luckboxed into this
Speaker 1: record this year because with those three losses that they've
Speaker 1: just had, they could have easily had two of them.
Speaker 1: They could have easily had multiple other losses. The two
Speaker 1: games against the Commodores, they could have lost either of those,
Speaker 1: if not both. Uh, the game against the cow the
Speaker 1: first game against the Cowboys. They should have lost the
Speaker 1: game against Buffalo, they absolutely should have lost it. Y're right,
Speaker 1: will the very first game of the season, right, we
Speaker 1: forget about that where they relied on Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: want to turn.
Speaker 3: Do we think they'll call the fall correctly? Called the
Speaker 3: fall start in Philly against Kelsey on those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't so. I'm so. I was so angry. I
Speaker 2: had an Eagles team total over thirteen and a half
Speaker 2: first half. I also had Eagles to win the second quarter.
Speaker 2: They at third and one at the five yard line.
Speaker 2: They can run the tuas push fourteen times in a row,
Speaker 2: never have a problem, and the one time I need
Speaker 2: them to just punch it in and I win both beats.
Speaker 2: They call a foal star. But he that played it
Speaker 2: even the guys didn't even line up yet, No one
Speaker 2: was lined up yet. Oh he moved the ball. He
Speaker 2: didn't move the ball. Watch the replays. Bullshit. That was
Speaker 2: the worst call I've ever seen in my goddamn life. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was unbelievable. What happened to me with that? With
Speaker 2: that ridiculous good I pushed it?
Speaker 1: What happened to me? What happened to me, by the way, Todd,
Speaker 1: I took that same stance on guessing lines on Monday.
Speaker 1: But somebody told me there was some there was some
Speaker 1: other angle that I did not see, where like he
Speaker 1: clearly moved the ball.
Speaker 2: Afoot Oh and when did they ever call it?
Speaker 1: Ever?
Speaker 2: Ever? Ever?
Speaker 1: Well, they said that they hadn't been warning Kelsey about this,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were warning Kelsey and they got a call down.
Speaker 2: Wish nev has over thirteen and a half first half
Speaker 2: theam total right, Can you do us a favor and
Speaker 2: call it on Kelsey right now? Because that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, because what then when what it really means is
Speaker 1: what do you mean you didn't call it all those
Speaker 1: other times that he did it? That's the real crime,
Speaker 1: right if that's if that's the case.
Speaker 4: Sorry brought it up. I didn't know you had a
Speaker 4: bet on it.
Speaker 1: That was the thing about the Kadarius Tony thing. Right,
Speaker 1: Like when Orlobski came on ESPN the next day, is like, wait,
Speaker 1: but he was off sides the other three times that game.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they call it? Then? You know? Why did
Speaker 1: they choose to call it when they called it.
Speaker 2: By the way, ways before the play even started. Can't
Speaker 2: you just say, hey, move it back. It's one thing
Speaker 2: if he like does it like when Okay, everyone's lined
Speaker 2: up now he moved.
Speaker 1: On, But it's not the referees obligation to tell the
Speaker 1: player to move it back.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's that's so that is just Todd Todd.
Speaker 1: Since you said took his bush? Can we do equal time?
Speaker 1: I want you favorite Christmas song and will you sing
Speaker 1: it please?
Speaker 2: I don't really, I mean my favorite is actually I
Speaker 2: would typically go with UH with Kelly Bidlin, but I
Speaker 2: did have somebody in my WhatsApp group asked me to sing,
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite injured Christmas song, and that is
Speaker 2: Uh's better watch at Yan's better, not cry like a
Speaker 2: Cleveland Briani Fanin's better or not? Because I'm telling youons
Speaker 2: why saying of Claus is coming down time, coming down time,
Speaker 2: then clauses coming down.
Speaker 1: Pine and at That's great. That was wonderful. By the way,
Speaker 1: I also think Kansas City would be the team most
Speaker 1: likely lose to the Raiders and at that's the best.
Speaker 1: All right, final question. We live in a bizarre world.
Speaker 1: Sixteen NFL games Thursday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. You must
Speaker 1: play aside on each and every one of them, but
Speaker 1: you get one free pass, Frank Schwab one that you
Speaker 1: want no part of. What's the game you want no
Speaker 1: part of?
Speaker 5: I'm so glad I go first here because I can't
Speaker 5: be the only one picking the Commander's Jets.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine, say, can we all just are there
Speaker 3: odds that we're all going to pick the same game?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?
Speaker 6: Like, can you imagine being a Jets season ticket holder?
Speaker 5: It is Christmas Eve, It's probably gonna be like forty
Speaker 5: one degrees in raining. You're gonna spend like one hundred
Speaker 5: dollars for parking to go watch the Commanders and the Jets. Like,
Speaker 5: I'm just selling your family on that. Like, hey, guys,
Speaker 5: I know it's Christmas Eve, but I gotta go watch
Speaker 5: the Commanders and the Jets today.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Like that might be the most miserable Well, if Falcons
Speaker 5: Panthers didn't happened last week, this might be the most
Speaker 5: miserable football game of many many years.
Speaker 2: That I mean, that's that's that's definitely a good one.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the Jets are going to play defense.
Speaker 2: The commanders are going to play no defense.
Speaker 1: It's totally my game, commander's jets. I agree with Frank,
Speaker 1: that's mine.
Speaker 2: Also, it's a very difficult game too. But you know what,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, Frank, it's an NFL game, and we
Speaker 2: will watch any NFL game ever, I in any scenario,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. If somebody dies on the field, we'll
Speaker 2: scrape him off and we'll bring another guy. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's right. I'm just saying, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: we are as hooked to this NFL crap as you
Speaker 2: could possibly be hooked to as a country's.
Speaker 6: Look at that.
Speaker 1: I mean the NBA.
Speaker 5: The NBA has five great matchups on Christmas, and we're
Speaker 5: all going to watch Raiders, Chiefs, and Giants, no question.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 6: Whatever.
Speaker 2: It's also like watchable. That sport's not watchable that that
Speaker 2: that is ridiculous sport.
Speaker 1: It's like when there's college but first of all college
Speaker 1: bowl games, I mean two years ago, right, two years ago,
Speaker 1: I remember betting like every college bowl game the first day,
Speaker 1: pre flop all of them, like going crazy. College bowl
Speaker 1: games are now only in game betable at this point.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, but yeah, like Old Dominion in Western Kentucky,
Speaker 1: which we all made out well on. But it's but
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where there's if there's
Speaker 1: five college football bowl games and there's nothing else, I'll
Speaker 1: watch them. But against an NFL slate, not a chance
Speaker 1: I'll even pay attention. I really won't. No matter what
Speaker 1: the game tonight Saints Rams, Like, who would watch any
Speaker 1: other sport of the equivalent kind of teams? Like, what's
Speaker 1: that tonight in the NBA? What's the Saints Rams game?
Speaker 1: Equivalent in the NBA standings? You watching that? What is that? Well,
Speaker 1: let's say it would be the the I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of like comparable five hundred teams. That's the Brooklyn Nets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the Nicks and the Nets or something.
Speaker 1: The Nets taking on the uh, the Rockets tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure everybody's watching that anyway, DoD what did you What
Speaker 1: was your choice? Dad?
Speaker 2: I'm going on with Frank. I like what Frank said.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with Frank will for four of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Noah, I mean that's obviously one that I want
Speaker 3: nothing to do with, but just to be different because
Speaker 3: it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Maybe the game of the week, it probably is.
Speaker 3: I have no feel for for Cowboys Dolphins whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would answer it wins
Speaker 1: by ten.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3: They're just they're so hard to figure because they're just
Speaker 3: so good when they're punching below their weight, but when
Speaker 3: they find somebody as good as them, they struggle.
Speaker 4: So that's one as great as a game it is.
Speaker 4: I don't'm not crazy about batting that one.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that probably feel the way you do about that,
Speaker 1: which and you make a good point like, would any
Speaker 1: outcome surprise you Dallas blowout, Dallas close win, Miami close win,
Speaker 1: Miami blowout. I'm not sure any would. It's all I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Yeah, it's all very possible, gentlemen. Merry
Speaker 1: Christmas to you all, holiday cheer whatever you christ didn't
Speaker 1: say to each other? Happy Birthday? No, Merry Christmas. I
Speaker 1: love Christmas. We just did our top five Christmas songs. Everybody,
Speaker 1: have a safe Christmas. Hey Todd, did you catch Mike
Speaker 1: Palms a Christmas speech this year? Did you catch it?
Speaker 2: No? No, I kind of I missed that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I missed it.
Speaker 1: As wonderful as ever. As wonderful as ever. Frank Schwab
Speaker 1: from Yahoo Sports, Thank you, Frank. Great seeing you, and
Speaker 1: again sorry about the whole Week eighteen stuff.
Speaker 5: Graduated up the week sixteen. Maybe next year I can
Speaker 5: get into November at some point.
Speaker 4: It'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: Well that's not it's not get crazy, Frank, I'm kidding.
Speaker 6: Absolutely appreciate you guys. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for spending the time.
Speaker 1: Todd wish Nev and Will Hill wish Nev the Showtime
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I realized that I can put
Speaker 2: more than two hundred and fifty six people in my
Speaker 2: WhatsApp group. Oh so if you want to be in
Speaker 2: the college basketball WhatsApp group, that's been doing pretty well
Speaker 2: before Tuesday night when I got crushed. But you can
Speaker 2: just you know, ask me over.
Speaker 1: There, okay, at t wish nev and then Will Hill
Speaker 1: at not V Will Hill to Ease on the V.
Speaker 1: He's also on the bear Bets podcast with Chris FeliCa.
Speaker 1: What's the Golden Boys what's that stuff? Gold Boys Discord,
Speaker 1: gold Boys Discord, Frank, what's your what's your your? Twitter
Speaker 1: at Yahoo Schwab at Yahoo schwab. All right. Beating the
Speaker 1: Book podcast for Week sixteen. Good luck with all your
Speaker 1: bets in the National Football League.