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Speaker 1: What do you hear? What happened to Brand's boat? No,
Speaker 1: you haven't heard this. So I'm talking to Danny, my brother,
Speaker 1: and it's our good buddy Brandt waterfowl biologists. Danny says,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Brandon Matt Carlson are out hunting and hunting
Speaker 1: moose in my boat. And he said, you'll know what aid,
Speaker 1: I said, my boat, And so what happened to Brand's boat?
Speaker 1: Him and Danny were fishing co hos on the river
Speaker 1: and he said they're just in the worst possible spot
Speaker 1: where there's this big tree across most of the river
Speaker 1: and he said, just ripping current through there and Brands.
Speaker 1: Danny said, he's glad he was nowhere near the tiller
Speaker 1: or nowhere near the center console for this, but Brands
Speaker 1: like rafts around in front of this big overhanging tree
Speaker 1: and somehow snag something and pulls out. You know that
Speaker 1: stupid dangerous little safety feature where you pull that ripped
Speaker 1: cord you're supposed to look at your life jacket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's more. I think it's like pepper spray,
Speaker 1: bear spray. It's almost like I'm more scared of bear
Speaker 1: spray than bears, And I'm almost more scared of those
Speaker 1: things than I am, just because if it's not clipped in,
Speaker 1: then you can't run the engine, which is what I
Speaker 1: can see where the story is. Somehow, I don't understand
Speaker 1: how he somehow uh pulls that thing out. Burn engine
Speaker 1: just stops, and Danny says, he turns, and here it
Speaker 1: comes this tree brands trying to get this little thing
Speaker 1: up and back in there and ship and his boat's gone.
Speaker 1: He said. It hit like they had a bunch of
Speaker 1: all their gear, everything they had with them. Danny said
Speaker 1: he had time to jump clear that boat. Well, he said,
Speaker 1: for a minute, he said, even as it was it
Speaker 1: was filling, you could kind of control how it was
Speaker 1: flooding by how you leaned and where he put your weight,
Speaker 1: But there was no stopping it. Did he climb out
Speaker 1: onto the tree. He climbed out on the tree, Danny.
Speaker 1: So the tree is like out of the water and
Speaker 1: then has a bowl in it and goes under you know,
Speaker 1: they always do this. It's like out of the water,
Speaker 1: then it's under the water, and then it's out of
Speaker 1: the water. Dan. Anywhere he hits he's in. He's gets
Speaker 1: in the spot where he can get out on the
Speaker 1: tree and leap the area. But he said, branches hanging
Speaker 1: on with waiters. He hasn't read the Meat Eater Guide
Speaker 1: the Wilderness Skills and Survival, because if he had, even
Speaker 1: though it hasn't been released yet in order now on Amazon,
Speaker 1: he'd hear a big mouthful about putting your belt on.
Speaker 1: Danny said, those waiters just ballooning out. Am I right that?
Speaker 1: He said he had to ditch the waiters to get
Speaker 1: out of there, So he don't remember that hanging on
Speaker 1: to the tree, hanging on the tree. By this time,
Speaker 1: the boat's gone like gone like under the tree underwater.
Speaker 1: It's stuck on the tree, still engine pinned. They got
Speaker 1: a buoy. They they're gonna go back and get it
Speaker 1: once the water games. They tied a buoy to it.
Speaker 1: If that's a thing you can claim on insurance. I
Speaker 1: asked him if he tied his wrote his name on
Speaker 1: the booty or anything, you know. He said, no, this
Speaker 1: is the booty tied to it underwater, pinned. They're waiting
Speaker 1: for the water to go down and try to get there,
Speaker 1: at least get the boat and engine. Engine is gonna
Speaker 1: be He said he didn't lose anything other than like
Speaker 1: a rod or two. All of his stuff. I thought
Speaker 1: Danny said he got it all back. No, that's where
Speaker 1: he found some of it, back aties and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he found I thought he said all
Speaker 1: they lost were like a couple of rods. I think
Speaker 1: Brandt lost three or four rods. Danny lost road. How
Speaker 1: far were they from the put in? He up, so
Speaker 1: they just flag someone down and remember how they got
Speaker 1: out of there. I remember the name of the tributary
Speaker 1: that that tributaries up aways fish this river with him
Speaker 1: quite a few times over words. I don't remember how
Speaker 1: they got out of there. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: said not quite a few a few. Man. That's how
Speaker 1: those accidents go. Man, just from like happy fish and
Speaker 1: day into all of a sudden, it's just tear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, you know that. He said it took him
Speaker 1: to figure out. He said that the engine just stopped,
Speaker 1: you know, and he turns, this isn't good. So they
Speaker 1: were like already close to that tag. They just come
Speaker 1: around it and he says, real fast current and they're
Speaker 1: going up and all of a sudden, just like the
Speaker 1: last thing in the world you want to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, you can kind of forgot about that party,
Speaker 1: saying you could kind of run around for a minute.
Speaker 1: It was like and kind of like control where the wall,
Speaker 1: you know, when he said there was no and then
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he got off to the beach
Speaker 1: and then had to try to, you know, half help
Speaker 1: try to get Brand out of the water. I meant
Speaker 1: to give Brand a call and console him a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I didn't scare him off rivers. He's out. They
Speaker 1: were out. It's a good story, though it is. I'm
Speaker 1: glad they're both safe. We were on that river one time.
Speaker 1: This is a funny story about that river. We get
Speaker 1: to the takeout and we've been up. We're going up
Speaker 1: duck hunting and he's got my brother, Brands doesn't my
Speaker 1: brother has another river boat. It's got a go devil
Speaker 1: on it, you know, like it's like an eight ft
Speaker 1: aluminum flat bottom of the air cooled. It's like a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a Briggs and Stratton golf or lawnmower engine. Right.
Speaker 1: The powers is big long shaft and we're going up
Speaker 1: in the dark. Yeah, well I explain the Go Devil
Speaker 1: because I mean it's yeah, you can run it across
Speaker 1: wet grass. It's air cooled, and it's a big stainless
Speaker 1: steel shaft that goes back. They come different lengths, but
Speaker 1: you can get them. They go back shorter ones. I
Speaker 1: think it's got about a six ft shaft on it, yeah, roughly,
Speaker 1: But they're made so that when the boat is pushed over,
Speaker 1: say a log, that shaft is at such an angle
Speaker 1: and there's I guess what, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: call it a skag two on that shaft, but that
Speaker 1: is made so that the propeller will just bounce over
Speaker 1: said log as it comes across it. You know, so
Speaker 1: you can basically, like in the South, they run them
Speaker 1: a lot, and they literally run in inches of water
Speaker 1: that's sometimes closer to mud than it is water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the thing about being air cooled is like anybody's
Speaker 1: ever run a normal boat motor. It's cooled by the water,
Speaker 1: Like there's an intake that sucks up river water, lake water,
Speaker 1: ocean water, and that cool water coming in it's cycled
Speaker 1: through the engine. So you have to have some water
Speaker 1: just to cool the engine. But with an air cooled engine, um,
Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about that. Then you just
Speaker 1: you're as you're holding the tiller, you're doing holding the
Speaker 1: tiller is more like three dimensional. Is that the right word.
Speaker 1: It's more three dimensional. When you're holding the tiller. You're
Speaker 1: not only controlling like side yeah, where you're Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. You're working on two axis.
Speaker 1: Is when you hold the tiller, you're working on side
Speaker 1: side up down, so you're digging it in lifting it out. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: I remember this dakes we're going up duck hunting and
Speaker 1: it was dark, dark ish and running through and I
Speaker 1: remember holding the that tiller and hitting going through a
Speaker 1: hole that had some salmon in it. The most of
Speaker 1: I don't know what most have been real thick and
Speaker 1: you can feel them hitting that shaft coming out, like
Speaker 1: the shaft going over the tops them. But anyways, we
Speaker 1: get down after we duck hunt, same place. Get down
Speaker 1: to that takeout and there's a dude down there pretending
Speaker 1: to be the world's dumbest tourist. Boy, golly, you can
Speaker 1: fish and hunt ducks in there, Holy smokes, let me
Speaker 1: see one of them ducks, right, mm hmm. And we're
Speaker 1: just like, you know, entertaining. I'm gonna amusing him. After
Speaker 1: a point, he opens up his jacket and pulls it
Speaker 1: out and it's a badge. It was the awarding let's
Speaker 1: see your licenses ship. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, you
Speaker 1: think that's cool. Look at this bald eagle shot, you
Speaker 1: know or whatever. I don't know. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: was some shrewd game warden. In Alaska, Um, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't. It's troopers. So so like most dates, you
Speaker 1: got cops like regular you know, state police, county sheriff,
Speaker 1: various municipal agencies. In Alaska, it's like troopers, state troopers.
Speaker 1: There are state troopers who specialize in like a wildlife division.
Speaker 1: But their troopers they're kind of they can do whatever
Speaker 1: they I mean, any game ward can kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, any game warding can make an arrest for
Speaker 1: drugs or whatever, assist and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in Alaska, it's like troopers. There's not the
Speaker 1: The enforcement Arm isn't part of the Fishing Game Agency.
Speaker 1: The Enforcement Arm is part of the state police agency.
Speaker 1: It was a trooper. Um. Youth Duck opens for US Saturday.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I will be taking my kid. We shot
Speaker 1: a bunch of ski last weekend, taking him out for ducks.
Speaker 1: We'll put our blind out tomorrow, a plan on it
Speaker 1: being very low pressure. Yeah. He was telling me about
Speaker 1: how his arm was sore and a little bit bruised
Speaker 1: up from all the skeet shooting he did. But I
Speaker 1: think he was being very careful to not like over
Speaker 1: emphasize it or spent too much time on it because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to get downgraded back to the four tents.
Speaker 1: That something would just be like, yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't have to go yet. Like he's not
Speaker 1: letting it get in the way. He's like, even though
Speaker 1: my arm hurts, I'm gonna go shoot ducks. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. Man, Um, I feel like the ducks aren't
Speaker 1: really acting like ducks yet. I don't like the good
Speaker 1: I'll they know what hits him on a youth duck opener. No,
Speaker 1: you don't even see him flying around, right They just
Speaker 1: kind of like, Oh I saw him stacking into a
Speaker 1: cut wheat field two days ago. Yeah. I just feel
Speaker 1: like they're just kind of like laying around the pond
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, they're definitely not as active as they're
Speaker 1: like people at the beat a month from now is
Speaker 1: what it looks like. Yeah, I curious see how that goes. Uh. Finally,
Speaker 1: no quick thing to touch on. Two things. Some guys
Speaker 1: sent in a picture. I don't think this. I think
Speaker 1: it's made the news a little bit. Like this bear
Speaker 1: running around the collar on and the bear is like
Speaker 1: famously this bear is famously tame, And apparently it's so
Speaker 1: tame that someone managed to go off to the bear
Speaker 1: and put a trump sticker on his radio collar. Really
Speaker 1: this these whoever it is, these researchers are now trying
Speaker 1: to are they're now gunning for whoever was up like
Speaker 1: basically handling bear bear. Wow, that's crazy. Like he lured
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how you pull that off.
Speaker 1: He lured it in with some food, put a bumper
Speaker 1: sticker on its radio collar. Oh ship, there's a five
Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. Spencer's got the picture right there. That
Speaker 1: had to have been like that had to have been
Speaker 1: some drinking going on. Is it a crime? Okay, harass
Speaker 1: and wildlife? Maybe must be to put a bumper sticker
Speaker 1: on a bear. I don't know who's putting out what
Speaker 1: the state? Was it North Carolina? Who's offering the reward?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm reading about you get another five
Speaker 1: grand if you swop it out with one of these stickers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling there is no bear anywhere
Speaker 1: carrying a Biden sticker. Uh, It's it's real quick before
Speaker 1: we get started. You like you finally publicly, It's it's
Speaker 1: come to this is the last will ever discuss it?
Speaker 1: You finally published the scroll Nuts article. You an't think
Speaker 1: about something this morning? At the gym they play that
Speaker 1: stupid show at the gym where do guys like argue.
Speaker 1: They try to make up like full on make believe
Speaker 1: shipped to argue about sports on ESPN. They full on
Speaker 1: like a producer, makes up a thing to argue about.
Speaker 1: They're there for fifteen minutes. I can't I can never
Speaker 1: tell what they're saying because the volumes off. But I
Speaker 1: can like read what's on the things. Apparently for fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes they're arguing about like does something How important is
Speaker 1: it that some team wins the third game of the
Speaker 1: season series and they get dressed up in suits to
Speaker 1: talk about this, which is the weirdest thing. These guys
Speaker 1: were as the High they were the fanciest ass suits
Speaker 1: to like argue about make believe sports stuff. And here
Speaker 1: we are the reason to bring this up. Here we
Speaker 1: are talking about squirrels biting the nuts off of squirrels
Speaker 1: and we're able to pull that off a T shirts.
Speaker 1: The differences to that, like, um, this is real animosity
Speaker 1: that we have for them. It's like they're inventing, uh
Speaker 1: a side of the argument to argue, but this is
Speaker 1: real though I'm sure they assign it so like they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you you uh you act like it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: if they win the third game, you know, and uh
Speaker 1: you over there you'll act like it really does matter.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. When the cameras are off there,
Speaker 1: they're not like continuing this argument. It's not like not
Speaker 1: like this in real life. But I it kind of
Speaker 1: made me feel like I should get a really nice
Speaker 1: suit and come down here in a really swanky suit
Speaker 1: and talk about stupid stuff. Those wardrobes I believe are
Speaker 1: provided by you know, if that's what they if you
Speaker 1: watch the credits. Yeah, this is just mean guessing, but
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that there there's probably companies that are trying
Speaker 1: to get into those spots where you know, you could
Speaker 1: provide a suit or two to the guys that do what.
Speaker 1: That explains a lot, man, because it's pretty always got
Speaker 1: different little outfits. Oh yeah, they're cute little Barbie dolls
Speaker 1: like yeah, you gotta be right. I never thought of
Speaker 1: that. That That Actually actually feel better about it anyway. So
Speaker 1: you finally put the squirrel nuts thing to rest, me
Speaker 1: saying that, me saying that I've always heard that pine
Speaker 1: squirrels bite the nuts off off the squirrels. Lots of
Speaker 1: people have heard that, and your official thing now is
Speaker 1: what they do not do that. I'll give you credit
Speaker 1: in two places here. First place I'll give you credit
Speaker 1: is that this is a common belief. I was wrong
Speaker 1: about that. Found where it came where it might step from.
Speaker 1: Ye I, I had thought that everyone believed this because
Speaker 1: Steve believed it, and then they had heard Steve say
Speaker 1: it on the podcast right, and then he thought there
Speaker 1: could all be traced to that which I might do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I was wrong, though we got we got emails
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Montana, everywhere in between, saying that no,
Speaker 1: my uncle told me this, my neighbor told me this,
Speaker 1: my haunting mentor told me to this. So it was
Speaker 1: like a fairly common belief that this happens. And you
Speaker 1: found reference in the old book, yes, nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 1: in the Singing Wilderness. This is the oldest written source
Speaker 1: that I could track down of it. The book was
Speaker 1: inspired by Lake Superiors beauty and it had a whole
Speaker 1: chapter was the author dedicated to red squirrels. It was
Speaker 1: written by Sigurd Olsen. Are you aware that I won
Speaker 1: the Secret f Olsen Nature Writing Award? You didn't know
Speaker 1: that this is good stuff though? Actually when I wanted,
Speaker 1: I was actually taking out his I was laurel Is
Speaker 1: that a word at his? Uh? I was. I was
Speaker 1: rewarded the reward award in his old Stompergrounds. I like it,
Speaker 1: and Olson Nature Writing Award. So when I saw that article,
Speaker 1: I felt a trade, I felt a kinship, but also betrayal.
Speaker 1: The cigarettes said that secret Secret said that this was
Speaker 1: I g U r D. He had a whole chapter
Speaker 1: dedicated to red squirrels. He's kind of like an elder
Speaker 1: Leopold who never got real famous, never got as famous,
Speaker 1: And it isn't isn't in his time, you know, But
Speaker 1: isn't he He didn't kind of like hit the mark.
Speaker 1: He didn't kind of hit the afterlife jack pot quite
Speaker 1: like Leopold Fair. Sure. Yeah, So he had a whole
Speaker 1: chapter dedicated to red squirrels. And in that chapter he said,
Speaker 1: I also know that owls like them as well as
Speaker 1: Martin's and that they can throw the fear of death
Speaker 1: into the larger gray squirrels should they invade through the
Speaker 1: convenient medium of castration. Damn right. So that that was
Speaker 1: what he said. And looked. That's the oldest written source
Speaker 1: I could find. So I talked to John Kaprowski. He
Speaker 1: is the dean at the Hobb School of Environment and
Speaker 1: Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: he had written three books on squirrels. He's won awards
Speaker 1: for his work on squirrels. Have those books then won
Speaker 1: the Secret off Olds and Nature Writing Award? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, but if there's a dude that's
Speaker 1: written three books on squirrels, we might consider having him down.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, I would consider him like the authorities.
Speaker 1: I wish crib was here. He just moved to the
Speaker 1: Uh he he went from the University of Arizona. We're
Speaker 1: in contact. We're in contact, right, great, I think he'd
Speaker 1: be a good resource. A footal episode that's five five.
Speaker 1: So I talked to him, and then I also talked
Speaker 1: to Jonathan O'Dell, who's a small game biologist for the
Speaker 1: Arizona Game and Fish Department, who has be a tree
Speaker 1: squirrel Grand slam holder. That's right. So not only is
Speaker 1: he passionate about squirrels enough to work with them in
Speaker 1: his job, but he's also what he thinks he also
Speaker 1: shoots them. One of the first people to have North
Speaker 1: America's squirrel slam, which is killing all eight species. Eight.
Speaker 1: That's a lie, though. You can take it up with him,
Speaker 1: well eight, what about the del Marvao squirrel? You can't
Speaker 1: hunt the um Maybe it's like the eight huntable ones. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 1: you need to fix up his language. You need to
Speaker 1: like fix up your language, because I bet he wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that if you're a squirrel man. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: talked to those two folks. They both said, this doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: That's not a reality. They've they've like watched mating bouts.
Speaker 1: They've you know, dedicated there seen squirrels have sex a
Speaker 1: hundred times. Oh yeah, he in the wild that John
Speaker 1: Kaprowski said that he has spent tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: hours in detailed behavioral studies watching red squirrels. Red squirrels, Yes,
Speaker 1: he said, this doesn't happen. But so another place that
Speaker 1: I'll give you credit, Steve, is that there is like
Speaker 1: good reason for believing this, right, Like red squirrels are
Speaker 1: pretty feisty, um. And then it's also common to kill
Speaker 1: like impotent squirrels that are males. Uh. But what you're
Speaker 1: really seeing there is when you think you kill the
Speaker 1: squirrel that had its nuts bitten off, is that for
Speaker 1: part of the year, when they're not doing the squirrel rut,
Speaker 1: when they're not breeding, they'll absorb their testies like up
Speaker 1: into you I don't think you'd say their abdomen, but
Speaker 1: they absorb it up into their body and then that
Speaker 1: that sack shrinks Okay, So oftentimes, oftentimes do you have
Speaker 1: some male squirrels running around that don't have visible tests,
Speaker 1: and then young of the year squirrels don't usually develop
Speaker 1: their tests until their first birthday. So you'll see a
Speaker 1: lot of male squirrels in the woods that appear to
Speaker 1: not have testicles. But it's not be as they got
Speaker 1: bit off. And you think secret Olson, who oh, you
Speaker 1: know what's you know? It's pretty good, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: in our squirrel myth, you think secret Olson. Uh shoots
Speaker 1: a great squirrel, inspects it's genitalium, sees that it's missing
Speaker 1: its scroll, and says to himself, there's only one thing
Speaker 1: that could explain this. A pine squirrel also known as
Speaker 1: the red squirrel, has eaten his testicles. I would also
Speaker 1: imagine that he was not like the source of this right,
Speaker 1: like he had heard his granddad and and so on.
Speaker 1: But now we're gonna put an end to that, you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know how it's often said, you're gonna tell me,
Speaker 1: But it is often said that Boone, Daniel Boone would
Speaker 1: hunt squirrels by barking them. Are you mere with this?
Speaker 1: I'm familiar in a way that like I've seen squirrel calls.
Speaker 1: It's a shot placement strategy. Oh, like shooting next to
Speaker 1: them so as not too so it's not too damaged
Speaker 1: to meat of the squirrel. You get a squirrel plastered
Speaker 1: against a tree, and you hit the tree, you shoot
Speaker 1: the tree, right word of squirrels, make a contact with
Speaker 1: it so that he is concussed. And he was probably
Speaker 1: doing this with a musket ball, right. No, he would
Speaker 1: have had a rifle. He would have had a rifle.
Speaker 1: He would had a Kentucky rifle, but not a shotgun. No,
Speaker 1: but he would have been shooting like a rifled flint lock. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the feller that claims to have done that with Boom,
Speaker 1: he even says like what river they're on, and what
Speaker 1: year it was, and the Boone loved eat squirrels and
Speaker 1: love to hunt squirrels and would bark the squirrels. Later
Speaker 1: historians looked and Boone wasn't even in that state that year.
Speaker 1: So it's like, did the guy, you know, do you
Speaker 1: mess it up or just lied about was it? John Philson?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did he mess it up? Was he
Speaker 1: just being like he had heard something and wanted to
Speaker 1: attribute it. I think there's an endless amount. It's just bullshit.
Speaker 1: Just I'm not saying it's bullshit, but we're kids. We
Speaker 1: used to take all kinds of ball bearings, wrapping up
Speaker 1: a masking tape and shoot him off our sling shots,
Speaker 1: thinking that we would create a shotgun like effect if
Speaker 1: you hit a tree near a squirrel or bird. I
Speaker 1: think there's like an endless amount of fact checking can
Speaker 1: do with stuff like Boone and Crockett and huge Glass
Speaker 1: and all those folks that it's just like it's hard
Speaker 1: to even start down that wormhole because of just like
Speaker 1: never end hm. I like it though. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you finally put some effort into that because it made
Speaker 1: some gravy. Well, I don't know, because I still when
Speaker 1: we're talking about strange human behaviors. Rick Smith, the camera man,
Speaker 1: there are seven billion people on this planet, So am
Speaker 1: I surprised that someone did that. No, now I'm like this,
Speaker 1: you're telling me somewhere at some point in time, a
Speaker 1: red squirrels never bit squirrel. It's not common. Jonathan Jonathan O'Dell,
Speaker 1: the squirrel slam holder, did say that he's like, like
Speaker 1: the squirrels get tangled up and they'll bite each other
Speaker 1: and they'll wrestle and it gets like violent. Um, He's like,
Speaker 1: they won't intentionally go for the testicles, but there's probably
Speaker 1: been instances where they get the testicles. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: a good time to sneak in there and kill a
Speaker 1: whole pile of them that you see all the time
Speaker 1: on like uh, Nature's Metal and those Graham accounts where
Speaker 1: squirrels will get their nuts hung up on like feeders
Speaker 1: and fences and stuff. I'm sure they eventually ripped them off. Well.
Speaker 1: And then somebody commented on your Instagram post, Stephen, they said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We uh we live in the area
Speaker 1: that you said have a lot of gray squirrels. And
Speaker 1: then red squirrels moved in and all the gray squirrels disappeared,
Speaker 1: furthering that they do actually castrate them wether than just
Speaker 1: displace them. I saw that some guys, like someone white
Speaker 1: Tails displaced Mulder. They're biting all their nuts off. I
Speaker 1: was that guy. I wrote that, Alright, alright, what we're
Speaker 1: doing now. We're in honor of, or in celebration of,
Speaker 1: the the ninth season or ninth season, which is a
Speaker 1: five pack of episodes. There's more episodes coming up soon.
Speaker 1: Um of Meat Or is out on Netflix, available for
Speaker 1: viewing now. And so every time we launched episodes, if
Speaker 1: you get like a bunch of questions, and oftentimes you
Speaker 1: get a bunch of the same questions like people watching
Speaker 1: and certain things percolate through the collective brain and then
Speaker 1: we this this time around, me went and solicited those questions,
Speaker 1: and then we commissioned uh Spencer here to come in
Speaker 1: and ask those questions and to answer the questions. We
Speaker 1: have people who are very very close who were all
Speaker 1: present for all production. Seth, you didn't miss any of
Speaker 1: did your south? Nope? Not last year? I was there, Seth.
Speaker 1: Do you now that I have my own flashing beam? Um? Oh?
Speaker 1: When I gave Travis Barton the welder, Uh, this is
Speaker 1: the first fleshing beam he's stand he's ever worked on.
Speaker 1: He does a lot of decorative stuff. You gave him
Speaker 1: my stand. He wanted to see your stand to replicate
Speaker 1: it for my flashing beam. What do you think? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know how you're how the tensioner on your adjustable part.
Speaker 1: I told him to turn that into a hand crank
Speaker 1: so he didn't need to get out of Heck's head.
Speaker 1: Wrench to do it. That's a good idea. But then
Speaker 1: he thought, what if that bolt has sentimental value? So
Speaker 1: he's producing a whole new t bolt with a T
Speaker 1: grip on it, and you'll still have the sentimental bolt
Speaker 1: on your thing. It's not sentimental at all. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have my own beam, and Seth's gonna mentor me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the origin here? Beam? Did you make it? His
Speaker 1: old man made it? No, my old someone made My
Speaker 1: old man had it made by. I don't remember who.
Speaker 1: Someone actually might have been my buddy, Rusty Fetzer, his
Speaker 1: dad might have done it. I don't remember who welded
Speaker 1: up the stand. I think it was my buddy's dad.
Speaker 1: You know what. Travis Barton thinks that that he used
Speaker 1: in the construction of that stand. He thinks there's like
Speaker 1: a hex shaped daft. Yeah. He thinks that that's off
Speaker 1: an old chisel might be. Yeah, I don't remember who
Speaker 1: well did it. He also thinks it's very dirty. Oh
Speaker 1: it's covered and fat and blood, yeah, he comments. He
Speaker 1: commented on, well he might catch from that thing. I
Speaker 1: don't clean it. Yeah, okay, so where were we? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you like happier intimidated. I'm getting into beaver fleshing,
Speaker 1: while I'm not intimidated yet because I still have to
Speaker 1: teach you how to do it. But it's it's good because, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, how maybe as we catch thirty or
Speaker 1: that's daunting when he got thirty the freezer. So it's
Speaker 1: nice to know that you could do half of them,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a part of a mentor mentee
Speaker 1: and the sort of trajectory of a mentor mentee relationship. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's sort of like a playbook of how those relationships work.
Speaker 1: There comes apart in the mentor mentee relationship when the
Speaker 1: mentee me yeah, actually turns against the mentor. Boy. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just like a thing that happens. And there's
Speaker 1: that study this, you can study this. Where where are
Speaker 1: we at in that relations I thought you were gonna say,
Speaker 1: where the mentee gets better and starts teaching the mentor stuff. No,
Speaker 1: he becomes like dismissive of probably like some kind of
Speaker 1: psychology about like they don't like to behold they don't
Speaker 1: like to feel beholden. So then they need to get
Speaker 1: to a point where they like they have like outshined
Speaker 1: or yeah, there's a part of that. There's a part
Speaker 1: where we will turn against one another. There's probably flashing
Speaker 1: different areas of the office. Yeah, from like seth perspective,
Speaker 1: Seth would be like, I taught him everything he knows,
Speaker 1: and now he acts like he came up with it.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, Seith is saying I taught him
Speaker 1: everything he knows, but I didn't teach him everything I know.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna he's gonna hold back now, knowing that
Speaker 1: you're to turn on him. Stead if you go ahead,
Speaker 1: I was gonna saying, I'll keep some real hot tips
Speaker 1: that I won't share with you. He's gonna teach me
Speaker 1: his like signature stroke, and I'm gonna tell people that
Speaker 1: I made up that stree. The only problem is he
Speaker 1: went with you. You went with a different fleshing. Also,
Speaker 1: I went with an assable. Yeah, well I have to
Speaker 1: see how that is. I'm Seth. Seth uses the famous
Speaker 1: um Necker. Yeah, but I've been here. I was reading
Speaker 1: on little comments sections about the Necker ain't all that anymore.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's not. I bought an assable made by
Speaker 1: it's made by like Dexter. Those fell has been in
Speaker 1: the beaver process and business for about a couple hundred years.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got something going on. I don't know. A
Speaker 1: question you get up in the morning. I got a
Speaker 1: question for Seth. You get up in This from a listener.
Speaker 1: This is from NIE's brain. You didn't do any heavy
Speaker 1: party and it's just a regular old morning. You get
Speaker 1: yourself a cup of coffee and you got your mindset
Speaker 1: on fleshing of beaver. Used to put on your apron
Speaker 1: and everything's there. I'll point out that this never happens.
Speaker 1: How many never ever happens. What's what's the length of
Speaker 1: time to take you just to knock one out? Very
Speaker 1: much heavily depends on the size. A big beaver takes
Speaker 1: a shipload of time. Like how much time I think
Speaker 1: I did the last time I kept track, I did
Speaker 1: one big beaver per hour on the board. That's like
Speaker 1: flesh and put on the board. Those guys in Minnesota
Speaker 1: that we're going to hang out, you know those guys
Speaker 1: in Minnesota we're going to hang out with this year?
Speaker 1: He says, it's uh. I think he says ten ten
Speaker 1: and ten tend to skin, tend to flesh, tend to
Speaker 1: get it on the board. Thirty minutes start to finish.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this adventure. They're just cutting me
Speaker 1: out of It's a dude I met in Uh, what's
Speaker 1: the hell's that town name? Some towns way up in
Speaker 1: northern Minnesota where guys that trap a lot of beavers.
Speaker 1: But Midge, they got the number one Ducks Unlimited College Chapter.
Speaker 1: Way the hell up in Midge. I met those kids
Speaker 1: and they gave me a Duck's Unlimited College Chapter hoodie up. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I met him. He's this guy likes Joe Beaver. It's
Speaker 1: not his name. His name is Mike. Actually, this guy's
Speaker 1: name is Joe Beaver, and I want to go out there.
Speaker 1: One of my problems so with with speed on flashing
Speaker 1: right now is my knife is dull and he won't
Speaker 1: let me sharpen it. Well, I'm afraid, yeah, especially how
Speaker 1: interested do you think people are in this conversation? I
Speaker 1: think fairly interested. Yeah. I don't want to war, especially
Speaker 1: since you like stretches beyond the podcast, right, there's videos
Speaker 1: of you guys fleshing Instagram posts. The problem with yonis questions.
Speaker 1: Seth never has waked, woken up and flashed the beaver.
Speaker 1: I've gotten that before he flashes beaver at night if
Speaker 1: you can jolim, if you could jol him. He likes
Speaker 1: to flash a round around five or six o'clock. I
Speaker 1: shoot my rifles in the morning, flushed the beavers in
Speaker 1: the evening. That's how it goes. He kind of gets
Speaker 1: in the mood mid afternoon, late afternoon. Sometimes. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say I was seeing him here in the office
Speaker 1: all times of the day. Well, mostly because I'll get
Speaker 1: the beavers out in the morning, let him fall, and
Speaker 1: then by evening they're ready to flash. That's a good explanation.
Speaker 1: So that's how that works. All right. Let's do a
Speaker 1: season nine question. First question, what was the full conversation
Speaker 1: like between Jesse and j T arguing over keeping that
Speaker 1: tanker redfish? Yehny, we showed it. I think we did
Speaker 1: a really good job of of of showing what it
Speaker 1: was that there wasn't much more to it at U.
Speaker 1: You know. JT is kind of like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: usually allowed him go, but if you want to keep it,
Speaker 1: please do. Jesse's like, yeah I do, and JT stuck
Speaker 1: a knife across its gills and now was the end
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think that JT Uh, he's torn. JT.
Speaker 1: Van's he's torn like he's in different directions because he's
Speaker 1: a guide, so he wants you to have fun. He No,
Speaker 1: he recognizes that it's a good fishery that's well managed.
Speaker 1: But he's cognizant of not being abusive of that. And
Speaker 1: I think that that he lets far more gold than
Speaker 1: he keeps. He's leery of keeping him, killing him and
Speaker 1: throwing him in the cooper just for the sake of
Speaker 1: doing that. You know. Yeah, it's not something he promotes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when it's you know, I think that he he
Speaker 1: gets on board with keeping a fish. Um, if he
Speaker 1: knows that it's going to be treated well, respectfully and
Speaker 1: consumed quickly, then I think it makes him feel better.
Speaker 1: If you said, what I want to do is get
Speaker 1: it and then freeze it and then put in my
Speaker 1: freezer and then wait a year and then throw it
Speaker 1: out because it's freezer burned, I think the Jesse or
Speaker 1: I think the JT would be very, very not cool
Speaker 1: about it. All right, I know it wasn't JT style,
Speaker 1: but did you all consider wade fishing when you did
Speaker 1: the episode in Rockport? That is not not JTS style.
Speaker 1: You're saying it is JT style. He does like to
Speaker 1: do that, and I have done that with him. It
Speaker 1: wasn't warm while we were down there, so that probably
Speaker 1: played into it. But no, he'll get out and chase
Speaker 1: him on foot. If you want to have a hell
Speaker 1: of I don't have you seen that if people have
Speaker 1: seen his show, If you want to have a hell
Speaker 1: of a good day of fishing, go book what's he
Speaker 1: calls outfit. It's like JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he has like a name of
Speaker 1: the outfit or it does either JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas,
Speaker 1: Red Fish and Sea Trout. I would suggest going when
Speaker 1: he says you ought to go, because I've gone. When
Speaker 1: he says you I've gone, what he says is, you know,
Speaker 1: he guides all the damn time he takes Like I
Speaker 1: think he's like just one month a year or something.
Speaker 1: He doesn't guide, but he'll kind of tell you like
Speaker 1: we've gone out. When he was when he said, you know,
Speaker 1: we will find fish, but it's not like the best
Speaker 1: time of year. And then he went out when he
Speaker 1: said this is the time to go, and holy cow man, JT.
Speaker 1: Vans and dot com. That's where you can find them
Speaker 1: book trips. Were you there when it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be good? Dude, you have never seen fish like what
Speaker 1: we saw when we were filming that episode. I've never
Speaker 1: seen fish like that. We one time, we weren't even
Speaker 1: really filming anymore. Man. We're like kind of like got
Speaker 1: our most, We put some of it in. We kind
Speaker 1: of got everything we wanted to do done. We're heading
Speaker 1: out one day and like the wind it switched or something,
Speaker 1: and there's like this channel. He guys, this real flat stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just like channels and flats and you know, how
Speaker 1: do you describe it? Very intercoastal, Yeah, intercoastal like estuary
Speaker 1: type water. You know that's uh sandy, you know, shallow
Speaker 1: lots of grass poking up everywhere here and there, and
Speaker 1: just little braids and channels and islands and uh maze
Speaker 1: like I mean, you could get lost in there and
Speaker 1: a in a heartbeat and it opens up into little
Speaker 1: bays and you know, stuff that if you don't know
Speaker 1: how to get out of it, and then then the
Speaker 1: water drops out of the tide. Boy, you could be
Speaker 1: there for the tide cycle. And this dude knows like
Speaker 1: what the fish are doing. Man and heat. We're kind
Speaker 1: of done for day and heading out, and the wind
Speaker 1: had switched and so it's blowing water. I was like
Speaker 1: blowing water into these channels because it feels like to
Speaker 1: find current and the current can come from a variety
Speaker 1: of ways, like tide, wind, whatever. And we get into
Speaker 1: the spot and we pull over, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not it was just every cast. I won't it
Speaker 1: was every cast, But to this point I actually had
Speaker 1: more fish than cast. At one point I was at
Speaker 1: eleven fish and ten casts because one of the times
Speaker 1: I has had my I took the fish off and
Speaker 1: had my grub in the water and a redfish grabbed it,
Speaker 1: so that put me eleven fish tent casts. I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like it, man Like, And then you're out
Speaker 1: there with him and you think, you think, like, holy cow,
Speaker 1: this place is full of fish. But I think he's
Speaker 1: probably quite plausible that you go down and round a
Speaker 1: boat and not get ship either. Yeah, but he just knows,
Speaker 1: like what's going on, and this little spot right here
Speaker 1: right now, like or later in the day, this little spot,
Speaker 1: or they're not in this little spot, which must mean
Speaker 1: they're in this little spot, and it gives you the
Speaker 1: illusion that, like any moron could go in there and
Speaker 1: catch a bunch of fish. Right on the next episode,
Speaker 1: when you were chasing Neil guy and the guy told
Speaker 1: you to shoot again, did it go against your beliefs
Speaker 1: and that he thought and that he doubted that you
Speaker 1: had great shot placement the first time? Did you feel
Speaker 1: obligated to shoot again when he told you to No,
Speaker 1: but you're like, you're highly um impressionable in moments like that,
Speaker 1: and and uh so I think that same question pointed
Speaker 1: out like that you were. There's two So we had
Speaker 1: multiple guided trips in this episode. So we were guided
Speaker 1: by JT. Van's aunt. We were guided on that Neil
Speaker 1: guide deal and the Neil Gut deal was were like
Speaker 1: kind of like we we sort of through social connections
Speaker 1: New a Um. Social connections had a connection to to
Speaker 1: a ranch and the ranch does allow some guided hunting
Speaker 1: on there. And the guy that owns the place is like,
Speaker 1: coming out to hunt, I'd prefer that one of our
Speaker 1: guys when out and accompanied you guys. He knows what's up. Um.
Speaker 1: The guy was totally cool. The guy was not like
Speaker 1: obstructionists at all, very knowledgeable and those nil guy are
Speaker 1: famous for not dying when shot. And you have really thick,
Speaker 1: thick brush. It's like you get up high on something.
Speaker 1: It's just like this like eight, I don't know how tall.
Speaker 1: Just this very thick brush extends for you know, miles
Speaker 1: and miles and miles. And that guy was saying, you
Speaker 1: hit them wrong and they make it in there. He goes,
Speaker 1: once they get into that brush, I get a sinking feeling.
Speaker 1: They he's like they he reiterated, they don't bleed. Well,
Speaker 1: they have a very thick hide. Um. He just was
Speaker 1: paranoid about losing them. Yeah, I believe you even shot
Speaker 1: the heart. I shot the top of the heart right
Speaker 1: off and there was almost no blood. And this thing, dude,
Speaker 1: it got up and ran like so he so he
Speaker 1: had already set it up that like very very knowledgeable dude.
Speaker 1: He had already set it up like listen, man, these
Speaker 1: things getting the brush and they vanish. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: multiple times, shoot until you can't that you're either down
Speaker 1: or they're in the brush. Yeah. And he said you
Speaker 1: go and look and you don't find blood. He goes,
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, we do everything we can do.
Speaker 1: But he said, it's just so when he said do that, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I was he was there. He
Speaker 1: was there to be helpful and was helpful and was
Speaker 1: totally cool. So he had no regrets about pumping two
Speaker 1: in him. No, plus things huge. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you were out hunting pronghorn or something and and
Speaker 1: you can see every which way for a million miles
Speaker 1: and you're hunting an animal that's famous for like not
Speaker 1: taking a hit very well, then I would have not
Speaker 1: done it. But when you got a guy to know
Speaker 1: he's devoted his life to the whole thing, and the
Speaker 1: guy says, shoot, I think he probably ought to shoot. Right.
Speaker 1: Do Steve write a journal day to day to narrate
Speaker 1: the show or does he just watch the footage and
Speaker 1: write something up after Ni keeps a journal just yanni
Speaker 1: ye sometimes uh seth helps, But yeah, during every day,
Speaker 1: we sort we keep a log that has just the
Speaker 1: major happenings of the day and what time that they happened.
Speaker 1: So that is sort of like a journal, so you
Speaker 1: kind of know what went down in the day. And
Speaker 1: then if there's something that happens, like an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: or a moment, let's just saying no, guy gets shot.
Speaker 1: You know, you write down that that twelve oh five,
Speaker 1: no guy got shot, and then there was a butt
Speaker 1: drink scene afterwards, and so on and so forth. Um,
Speaker 1: and also you you take note of conversations and whatnot
Speaker 1: even yeah, for sure, no especially good ones, you know,
Speaker 1: and because those are the ones that go really well
Speaker 1: when then we turn those notes into a document called
Speaker 1: producer notes, which we hand off to the editors. And
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a roadmap for the editors because
Speaker 1: they watched the footage. And even though you think as
Speaker 1: much as we roll that they would be able to
Speaker 1: watch the footage and have a great idea of what happened,
Speaker 1: but it's just not that way. I mean, what they see,
Speaker 1: as you know, of what actually happened, and so they
Speaker 1: need sort of like a roadmap and an outline to
Speaker 1: understand what went down over the course of a shoot
Speaker 1: is that it has always been or did it evolve
Speaker 1: to become this? No, I was trained to do that.
Speaker 1: In terms of the vo writing when the editor, so
Speaker 1: the editor gets it, we usually have a conversation yanio, layout,
Speaker 1: what's up. An editor still has a lot of freedom
Speaker 1: to kind of find what they want to find in there,
Speaker 1: but then the editor put in something called scratch v
Speaker 1: O because they sort of need to like create a
Speaker 1: bed for VO that doesn't mess up the pacing. And
Speaker 1: so by the time I write the actual v O, UM,
Speaker 1: you're typically aware of like what kind of chunk of time,
Speaker 1: what kind of chunk of time you're filling there and UM,
Speaker 1: And then it goes like through a thing called there's
Speaker 1: a we do a process that has a rough cut
Speaker 1: in the fine cut. But I'm usually like when it
Speaker 1: comes to actually like writing the stuff, I'm usually filling
Speaker 1: in UM, writing over the top of something that the
Speaker 1: editor knows ought to be addressed, and that's how that
Speaker 1: process goes. I'm actually curious on what you use for
Speaker 1: bags that you keep meeting when you when it's in
Speaker 1: your pack. Also, do you just put your backpack in
Speaker 1: the washing machine to get the blood out. I'll take
Speaker 1: the blood out. No, Yani'll take the blood out one
Speaker 1: because he's he's got a whole thing. Okay, I'll take
Speaker 1: the bag one. When we take an animal part in
Speaker 1: the field, UM, we use breathable game bags. So when
Speaker 1: a quarter, you know, a leg, backstrap, ribs, slab boned
Speaker 1: out meat, whatever it generally goes generally speaking, goes directly
Speaker 1: from the carcass to a bag, unless there's a nice
Speaker 1: nless there's no bugs around, and there's a nice place
Speaker 1: to hang it while you work. You know, you might
Speaker 1: have a little stop sticking off a tree and you
Speaker 1: can hang a quarter on there and let it do
Speaker 1: its thing and drink. Sometimes will make like a almost
Speaker 1: like a trellis, you know, out of some fallen logs
Speaker 1: and let it out because it is nice for this
Speaker 1: reason that to let some of the blood either drain
Speaker 1: off of it if it is super bloody, or even
Speaker 1: til the meat just kind of get like that air
Speaker 1: dry crust on it, you know, and before you put
Speaker 1: into the game bag. Yeah, that that's not And if
Speaker 1: it's the wintertime, you know, there's usually always a way
Speaker 1: to do it. Sometimes you're in a place where everything's
Speaker 1: just grubby and sandy, like when we're hunting orcx this
Speaker 1: here in New Mexico, there have been like no, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just dust and sand and bugs, and it just
Speaker 1: goes into a breathable bag. I used to use the
Speaker 1: type of bag A lot of people use them. I
Speaker 1: think they're just inexpensive. It looks like cheese cloth called
Speaker 1: Alaska game bags. I think there's various companies that make them.
Speaker 1: But the thing the bottom is that the flies can
Speaker 1: lay eggs through the fabric ah and some dirt passes
Speaker 1: through them. But they're inexpensive and they're disposable. But now
Speaker 1: um we use them reusable, flyproof breathable bags. You might
Speaker 1: think of it as sort of a very lightweight souped
Speaker 1: up pillow case with a draw string on. It goes
Speaker 1: into those and then I keep in my pack at
Speaker 1: all times. I buy contractor bags by the box, so
Speaker 1: fifty or whatever, and I just keep a contractor bag
Speaker 1: in my bag, and the bottom of the very bottom
Speaker 1: of my backpack is always a contractor bag, which can
Speaker 1: be used for setting stuff on. You can make a
Speaker 1: poncho out of it, whatever. But when I put it
Speaker 1: in my pack, I lined my pack with the contractor bag,
Speaker 1: put the game bag in there, and then you don't
Speaker 1: want to leave it in there for you know, days
Speaker 1: on end, but for a couple hour hike or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's what I do, because I just get so sick
Speaker 1: cleaning my damn backpack all the time, So I line
Speaker 1: it with a contractor bag and then I get where
Speaker 1: I'm going, I promptly take the breathable game bag because
Speaker 1: that that's not breathable. Take the breathable game bag back
Speaker 1: out if one does get blooded over the pack, which
Speaker 1: is inevitable. Yeah. Well, and there's another system to which
Speaker 1: I use this year packing something some of my bull
Speaker 1: off the hill in Colorado and I ended up is
Speaker 1: using the Stone Glacier load cell, which it took me
Speaker 1: a while to understand that that's literally what it's meant for.
Speaker 1: It's it's basically their version of a game bag that
Speaker 1: but it fits perfectly in that on that load shelf right,
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about the actual bag. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I used to even in the beginning, said load cell,
Speaker 1: I said shelf I got her cell. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: basically looks like almost like a like a roll top
Speaker 1: drive bags. It's got a roll top on it, but
Speaker 1: it's not meant to be a waterproof bag, doesn't have tape,
Speaker 1: seems um, it's so that if blood is still coming
Speaker 1: out of your meat, it's meant to be able to
Speaker 1: leak out and for air to go you know, through
Speaker 1: the fabric. But it's like it's just the perfect shape
Speaker 1: that when you pack it full. It's plenty of meat
Speaker 1: to carry. It's gonna be heavy. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have sixty pounds of meat if you fill it to
Speaker 1: the brand, maybe more, but it just fits in that
Speaker 1: load shelf just perfectly. And you can also put the
Speaker 1: contractor bag with the game bag inside of it in
Speaker 1: that load shelf too, but they're The load sell off
Speaker 1: itself is coated in like this waterproof fabric, and then
Speaker 1: the fabric that's on the the backpacks inside that faces
Speaker 1: your back on the outside is also waterproof. So any
Speaker 1: blood that goes towards the backpack doesn't go through, it
Speaker 1: doesn't get to your gear, it doesn't really soak in.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the edges will get some blood. That happened to
Speaker 1: us in Colorado, and I think as long as you
Speaker 1: get to it, like the day over the next day,
Speaker 1: all I did was had like a bowl of soapy,
Speaker 1: warm water, and I found a scrub brush under the
Speaker 1: kitchen sink where we were staying, and I put ten
Speaker 1: minutes of elbow grease into it and then hit it
Speaker 1: with the hose and my pack was clean. If it
Speaker 1: was super soaked, I guess you could take it off
Speaker 1: and run it through the through the wash, but I ain't.
Speaker 1: The key is to get it to it quickly. Now
Speaker 1: I have also in the past which works Preace slack is.
Speaker 1: I think what you were talking about earlier is used
Speaker 1: hydrogen peroxide to cause the blood to kind of foam
Speaker 1: and bubble up, and then you just basically dumped that
Speaker 1: on their scrub it rints it off, dumps him on there,
Speaker 1: scrub it rints it off, and that'll help pull blood
Speaker 1: out of fabric. You know, it's interesting. We when we
Speaker 1: were caribou hunting this year, my boy got a one
Speaker 1: of those red legged flies in his against his ear drum.
Speaker 1: It was making him nauseous. I just flew in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like affecting his balance, making him nauseous. And uh,
Speaker 1: put hydrogen peroxide in their holy ship that thing come
Speaker 1: out of there in a hurry, like bubble him right out. Nice?
Speaker 1: Did he? Did your son know what was going on? WHOA?
Speaker 1: He didn't like it one bit. You just haven't have
Speaker 1: some peroxide, which we were at we're boning out me
Speaker 1: back at the bush pilot strip and a woman there.
Speaker 1: It was like I came running in with him and
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to get it out with water,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no hydrop prooxide in there, and one
Speaker 1: drop of that ship in that bug was out of there,
Speaker 1: you know, bubbled. That's a hot dislodge them in a hurry. Man.
Speaker 1: Was there panic from father and son there or just son? No?
Speaker 1: I don't wuldt to say panic. I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: think that we were going to never get it out
Speaker 1: of there. I was eager to get it out of
Speaker 1: there before we leave the subjects. Be careful with hydroen
Speaker 1: peroxide because I think you can leave it on fabrics
Speaker 1: too long. They could actually start to eat away. It's
Speaker 1: hard on the stitching at your fabric. Yeah. Um. The
Speaker 1: thing I found two is people think they got their
Speaker 1: pack clean and they didn't because you lay it out
Speaker 1: in sun and you're packed up smelling inn a minute rains.
Speaker 1: It's like you didn't get that clean and that's a
Speaker 1: bad smell. Man. Yeah. No, Stone Glaciers got a there's
Speaker 1: they have a real nice tutorial video. Um, if you
Speaker 1: need to know how to clean it back. Well, I
Speaker 1: notice you guys are only running one clip off your
Speaker 1: binys instead of one on each side. Damn straight, what's
Speaker 1: the reason for that? Paul Lewis, thanks for goofy for
Speaker 1: doing that. Oh he does. He's way wrong. Explain to
Speaker 1: me better what this listener is referring to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: I use everyone, I everyone I hang out with the like,
Speaker 1: this's the best one out there is there's a In
Speaker 1: the old days, just were your binoculars around your neck, okay,
Speaker 1: And then came the days of the then came, oh,
Speaker 1: we used to do vinyls around your neck. Then you
Speaker 1: go to the drug store and get surgical tubing and
Speaker 1: run surgical tubing around your back and clip it into
Speaker 1: the connection point where the vinyl harness where the where
Speaker 1: the next strap is, so that when you're creeping up
Speaker 1: on a deer or whatever you're those surgical tubing keeps
Speaker 1: your binyls from bouncing around. A little innovators over there
Speaker 1: at the renella, Well, no, we stild the idea, and
Speaker 1: we would also put a prussick. You'd have that surgical
Speaker 1: tubing tie into a piece of para cord and it
Speaker 1: would be like a little prussick not around that parachoid,
Speaker 1: so as you took layers on and off, you could
Speaker 1: SnCH up and down. We kind of stole that idea. Somehow,
Speaker 1: then came the vinal harness. No you forgetting, you're forgetting
Speaker 1: the uh, the elastic banned harness that everybody ran. Pair
Speaker 1: of suspenders, Yeah yeah, what was that company that first
Speaker 1: made those? I had one of those things, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was. I mean everybody made him. Eventually
Speaker 1: louip Old would have one Bella's at him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were better than just running the neck strap
Speaker 1: with the circle tubing. And then came I want to
Speaker 1: quick talk about the custom but I got sick of
Speaker 1: that back before I had a binal harns. I got
Speaker 1: sick of that feeling on my neck. I took an
Speaker 1: old pair of neoprene waiters and caught a very healthy
Speaker 1: chunk of neoprene and made a custom next strap so
Speaker 1: that I had neoprene waiter material. Then I stitched in
Speaker 1: my nylon webbing into that, and that was comfortable, very calm.
Speaker 1: And then I had the surgical tubing thing. But then
Speaker 1: then came the suspenders, whatever the hell they call those.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of hunters are still stuck on
Speaker 1: that evolution. Oh yeah, there's still these guys that much
Speaker 1: prefer the suspenders. I saw a bunch of dudes this
Speaker 1: weekend where them. Yeah, I think they the one. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that they have is that there is
Speaker 1: no lead and so they're there. They are more accessible,
Speaker 1: right if you're if you're hot in on a stock,
Speaker 1: you know, but as soon as the dust kicks up
Speaker 1: and it starts to rain or snow, man, I can't
Speaker 1: see anything through you. But there you go to climb
Speaker 1: over a barbed wire fence and it gets hung up
Speaker 1: because they still flop around. They do flop. But if
Speaker 1: you're out there mixing it up and stuff, just get
Speaker 1: a harness. Yeah, by it's like a little pouch. Is
Speaker 1: a little pouch we've got like I use them. Our
Speaker 1: camera guys like them so much. They started using bino
Speaker 1: pouches just to keep their gear in and then they
Speaker 1: started running around even in cities working on other projects.
Speaker 1: Like Mo would be in some restaurant film and no
Speaker 1: Reservations or parts unknown with a binal harness on. What
Speaker 1: is camera gear in it? FHF now makes a chest
Speaker 1: rig and the camera guys like those because you can
Speaker 1: fit oh manner garbage and a camera in it. Like
Speaker 1: when Mo Faulon discovered when he goes I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm going through my whole life wasting that piece of
Speaker 1: real estate on my chest like it hasn't done me
Speaker 1: any good. Now it's like my storage area. But if
Speaker 1: you have a biny harness and don't uh clip them in,
Speaker 1: you'll be like nice Janice was jumping over a creek
Speaker 1: one time and his binos fell out of his binal
Speaker 1: harn us and they weren't clicked in. They weren't, No,
Speaker 1: because I was using a less thought out of lower quality,
Speaker 1: was using a magnet kind. No, it had to clip
Speaker 1: in the front. I'm not going to mention the brand,
Speaker 1: but there was no tether option at all. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even tell if you wanted to know. It was just
Speaker 1: a clip in the front. And now was the other thing.
Speaker 1: So you had to have that thing clipped. Remember those
Speaker 1: things they fell out twice, fell out into a rage
Speaker 1: and crick hunting bears and we looked and looked, and
Speaker 1: the best we can tell, they're in the ocean. It
Speaker 1: was it was a rag er man. Yeah, feeling around
Speaker 1: in the any little pools down below them. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could jump this thing almost and we're like palming
Speaker 1: around you feeling around in little pools, and then you
Speaker 1: go to the next pool and feel around and be like,
Speaker 1: what's gotta be in the next pool and the next
Speaker 1: pool and feel around. It's just why it was just
Speaker 1: wide enough and raging enough that we took our packs
Speaker 1: off and threw them across, and then like you know,
Speaker 1: people would kind of stand on the far side when
Speaker 1: you jump to grab your arm and pull you over.
Speaker 1: But it was raged enough that had you just cannonballed
Speaker 1: into it, you would have gone for a ride for sure.
Speaker 1: Him had he clipped in clipping one side it hangs.
Speaker 1: The way they're clipped in on an FHF system is
Speaker 1: coming off the shoulder straps to go up and over
Speaker 1: your shoulder into those um into like the adjustment section.
Speaker 1: There's a very thin but strong piece of um I
Speaker 1: don't know, webbing, webbing that's connected to a small clip
Speaker 1: and there's one on each side and then the you know,
Speaker 1: mail into that. I think it's male on your shoulder
Speaker 1: strap and the female end you attached to the binoculars themselves,
Speaker 1: and so binoculars have two attachment points. The harness has
Speaker 1: two attachment points and you clip them in. We do
Speaker 1: one for a bunch of reasons. One I usually think
Speaker 1: of is that there's often times when you want to
Speaker 1: share your binoculars with someone and instead of unclipped in two,
Speaker 1: you just unclipped one. Pass them over. But that seems
Speaker 1: like something unique to you, guys. It's how often are
Speaker 1: you out with something? The reason that does not by
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat Paul Lewis his ass. So there's two
Speaker 1: a monitor, there's two a monitor. I don't care what
Speaker 1: kind of stuff they taught him in the cops. I'll
Speaker 1: take them. There's two amounting because like yeah, and he said,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, they must need too because there's
Speaker 1: two sides of the binoculars. But I always put my
Speaker 1: binoculars on a tripod. My kids always like, give me
Speaker 1: a bonocutors, give me a bocutors. Why go at clip
Speaker 1: clip It's only meant to keep you from losing it.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the sharing of binnaculars is something
Speaker 1: that's like sort of unique to when you're with cameramen
Speaker 1: that don't have binos, or when you and putting them
Speaker 1: on my tripod, I just don't need to do too.
Speaker 1: And when it is hanging there, I kind offer I
Speaker 1: like how it hangs. Is is there a preferred side,
Speaker 1: like if you're left handed hand right handed, right hand side.
Speaker 1: I would never do it on the left side. And
Speaker 1: all three of you were like this, I can't. I
Speaker 1: used to be, but I went back to two, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I like it better. I like when they're
Speaker 1: hanging a couple of times. You know, if you don't um,
Speaker 1: if you don't like button up your harness, you bend over.
Speaker 1: They could they can fall out. And if they're clipped
Speaker 1: on the right side, you know, they fall out and
Speaker 1: they just be clipped one and they do like the
Speaker 1: old swing around just when they fall out. Does that
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah, when they fall out, get hurt. When
Speaker 1: they fall out and there's two, they just pops out
Speaker 1: and they're still hanging right there. What's the next question?
Speaker 1: I thought that was a silly question, But I mean
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't mind unsnapping the two little
Speaker 1: clips and put them on my tripod. I go so
Speaker 1: far as to get rid of the other clip. I
Speaker 1: take it off the bno and I thread it out
Speaker 1: of the harness and put it in a place where
Speaker 1: I put all of them. Yeah, I have a nice
Speaker 1: drawer left cabinet all those things are sitting there. I
Speaker 1: had a little collection. I don't know, I should just
Speaker 1: take them back to f HF set when you were
Speaker 1: hunting in Wyoming? What hat was Janice wearing? I believe
Speaker 1: they must be talking about my stormy chromer. It's a
Speaker 1: good story about this stormy chromer. There is the game world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was the one prior to that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a stormy chromer. It's a I don't know something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a Michigan hat. You see a lot of ranchers
Speaker 1: wearing a lot of the ranches where like the more
Speaker 1: like wooly version, which has like much deeper ear flaps
Speaker 1: that come all the way down. It kind of covers
Speaker 1: the nape of your neck. But yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: It's made out of wool, it's uh warm, it's gotta
Speaker 1: like it's got a short brim, so I don't really
Speaker 1: get getting the way when I'm wanting to shoot my man.
Speaker 1: You really like that hat? Yeah, I've had a couple,
Speaker 1: but the first one I had one time, I was
Speaker 1: I think I saw the game one pulled over, so
Speaker 1: I pulled in behind him just the chat. See if
Speaker 1: I could work out some you know, game location info
Speaker 1: out of him, and he, uh, I must have. I
Speaker 1: was wearing the hat and he said, you know that
Speaker 1: next season you might want to get a new chromer
Speaker 1: because that one ain't quite a Hunter's Orange anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: but I mean it was five six years old, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think just being a dyed wool fabric, you know,
Speaker 1: it's Colorado's son. Beats it up and I'll point out
Speaker 1: that I don't let it just ride around on my dashboard.
Speaker 1: I looked it up and they are out of Michigan
Speaker 1: and their tagline is the original winter Cap. Don't about that.
Speaker 1: Beaver was the original winter cap? Alright. Someone says, I
Speaker 1: need to know what the detachable tripod gun mount was
Speaker 1: on the Wyoming Hunt Spartan. That's good bipod mount, very
Speaker 1: good bipod mountain. What how it works? Is that you
Speaker 1: in the old days, you'd get uh, the count the
Speaker 1: springs on them. Yeah, you want to mention the company's name.
Speaker 1: They make a great product. Harris Harris. I used to
Speaker 1: have those. Man, you get into it like an alder
Speaker 1: choked hell hole. Though those springs they are prone to
Speaker 1: some snagging. They're not good for thick brush anyways, and
Speaker 1: they're very stable though, and you'd like but stay. You
Speaker 1: put it on here and it's on there. The bipod
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, you don't like take
Speaker 1: it out and off throughout the day. But the spartan
Speaker 1: bipod is like a very nice, good bipod. And what
Speaker 1: you do is you put like this attachment on the
Speaker 1: forearm and your firearm, and then you replace your front
Speaker 1: swivel study. Yeah. So the thing you use, like that
Speaker 1: little screw stud that you use to put your sling on,
Speaker 1: you take that out screw in the attachment point for
Speaker 1: the bipod, and then that plate, that attachment plate has
Speaker 1: another hole that you that accommodate your sling. Then you
Speaker 1: carry in your pocket and a holster in your pack
Speaker 1: or whatever. The bipod prongs and it's a magnetic fitting.
Speaker 1: It's very satisfying. No, it cas like like a imagine
Speaker 1: like a suction with flip at the end, not like that,
Speaker 1: not like it's like that's it. That's it almost too moist.
Speaker 1: Does he go with you on every hunt? Yeah? Well no,
Speaker 1: something just depends anything dry, open anything, any kind of
Speaker 1: open country stuff. Yeah, but I mean, if I was
Speaker 1: sitting you know, out of hunting in a deer blind.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine I would. Yeah, if I think there's
Speaker 1: gonna be shots over two yards, then I will definitely
Speaker 1: have it with me. They make a thing where you
Speaker 1: can put it on a tripod too, so you know,
Speaker 1: you can be standing. You don't always have to be prone.
Speaker 1: You can clip it into a tripod and be standing
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a very nice product. Oh and you
Speaker 1: can do that with any tripod head like they just
Speaker 1: have like a quarter twenty attachment that. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: think it's called the dev Ross head or something. It's
Speaker 1: made for going on tripods and they make their own tripod.
Speaker 1: But you gotta have the whole head. It's just the head,
Speaker 1: it's not it's very simple, small little head that you
Speaker 1: can screw onto like Gordy to look into that. Alright,
Speaker 1: Why do you use zip ties instead of electrical tape
Speaker 1: to attach your tag to an animal? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I've had great luck with them.
Speaker 1: I carry zip ties in my kit until that was
Speaker 1: like part of the episode. That's not what happened. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a zip TIESE know, it is what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like would have that happened if you had electrically came
Speaker 1: here of the details. No, that deer took a tumble
Speaker 1: when we were trying to do it. Yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: slid down the hill. I feel like the zip tie failed.
Speaker 1: That's right. The zip type broke off. It was a
Speaker 1: real steep slope and instead of like dragging the deer,
Speaker 1: the deer kind of was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: situations where instead of dragging deer, the deer is dragging you.
Speaker 1: Like once you got it out of its final resting place. Um,
Speaker 1: it was just going snow covered, very steep, icy hillside
Speaker 1: and I think and I and it slipped out of
Speaker 1: my hand. Yeah, and it slid down the hill a
Speaker 1: little bit through something in a rock or something busted
Speaker 1: the zip tie. And then we looked and looked for
Speaker 1: it in the dark and then came back and I
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, I was gonna kind I was
Speaker 1: like figuring out, we're gonna try to contact Fishing Game.
Speaker 1: It had been validated, so we're like making a plan
Speaker 1: on how to contact the Fishing Game agency and say
Speaker 1: we have an untaked years He's like simply lost the
Speaker 1: tag and then went back in the daylight and scoured
Speaker 1: around and found the tag. But yeah, no real reason why,
Speaker 1: And that didn't change your mind either, Like you'll still
Speaker 1: be carrying zip ties this year. It wasn't until this gentleman,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming as a gentleman. There wasn't till this gentleman
Speaker 1: flagged in my head that I realized that I finally
Speaker 1: put it together that that might be better to use
Speaker 1: electric tape. Yeah, it's a tough one. I don't carry
Speaker 1: both usually in my little kit that you know that
Speaker 1: rides in my backpack along with me all the time.
Speaker 1: But I I just feel my head right now that
Speaker 1: I'd have more uses for the three or four zip
Speaker 1: ties that I usually pack in there than I would
Speaker 1: if I had a little mini roller electrical tape. I
Speaker 1: usually have a little mini roll of duct tape in there,
Speaker 1: which I could use keep it rapped around my cigarette lighters.
Speaker 1: Some states tags though, if you put tape on the
Speaker 1: would totally destroy them. Yeah, that's kind of the other
Speaker 1: thing about this. Yeah, when you go to peel the
Speaker 1: tape off, you're gonna screw your thing up, Especially now
Speaker 1: that more and more states are going where you print
Speaker 1: your tags at home. You're not gonna duct, take that
Speaker 1: on there and take it off again. You gotta put
Speaker 1: into a little baggy and then duct and then yeah,
Speaker 1: I have I've used everything from paracord tie it down there,
Speaker 1: taped it on their med tape, duct tape, black tape,
Speaker 1: zip ties. I don't know. It seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of tags actually have two holes that are just the
Speaker 1: right size to slip that change zip tie or paracord
Speaker 1: punched four zip tie. Um. I usually use a big
Speaker 1: pin when I live in Pennsylvania. You put the tag
Speaker 1: through the pin and then stick it through the ear
Speaker 1: like a safety pin, like a big safety pin. Bucks
Speaker 1: and does yeah, yeah, See for us, it's usually not
Speaker 1: a problem because if we if we butcher in the field,
Speaker 1: I mean, I usually forgot. That's my reason why I
Speaker 1: usually don't attach anything because legally you don't have to
Speaker 1: attach it until you're moving the carcass, and so usually
Speaker 1: everything's chopped up in quota and we usually find if
Speaker 1: you need to have evidence of sex, we find the
Speaker 1: bag that has a testy in it and then attached
Speaker 1: the tag to it inside the bag. Close the bag.
Speaker 1: You know. That's another argument for zip ties is on Antler.
Speaker 1: This game I zip tie my tag to the gambrel
Speaker 1: to the Achilles tendon of the animal. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of states should take to learn a lesson from Alaska.
Speaker 1: Alaska doesn't except for metal locking tags, which you need
Speaker 1: non residents need you validate your tag and keep it
Speaker 1: on your person. They don't make you go through the
Speaker 1: sort of like it seems silly that you need to
Speaker 1: fasten it to the thing. Anyways, if it's with the
Speaker 1: person who has the thing in their possession, why can't
Speaker 1: they just keep it all nice and clean in their pocket. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, what we're talking about here in
Speaker 1: five years is probably gonna be pretty archaic because pretty
Speaker 1: soon at all be on your phone. Has the crew
Speaker 1: ever thought about using drones to scout for deer? We
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, but it's becoming increasingly illegal.
Speaker 1: But we do talk about, Like the day we're having
Speaker 1: this conversation hunting moose and real thick willows, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, no wonder Alaska made drones illegal because
Speaker 1: imagine you can fly drone up and find all the moose.
Speaker 1: And our camera guy was like, I think that, Like
Speaker 1: the resident just he I think that seems like and
Speaker 1: He does a lot of drone work for all all
Speaker 1: kinds of reasons, different kind of stuff from like real
Speaker 1: estate stuff to wildlife stuff. But um, he's like the
Speaker 1: resolution in the use that he goes. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: really work that way. I don't know that. I believe
Speaker 1: that it doesn't work that way, because there are cases
Speaker 1: of people finding elk and moose and stuff with drones,
Speaker 1: but it's it's illegal in twenty some states. Now. He's
Speaker 1: crazy to think that wouldn't work. Imagine antelope on that
Speaker 1: countryside and you fly that thing up and do a
Speaker 1: three sixty pan. You don't think you'd see the herd
Speaker 1: of twenty out a half mile. I should argue with them.
Speaker 1: I guess it all depends some of those like a
Speaker 1: lot of those when you're shooting like landscapes with the drone,
Speaker 1: A lot of those lenses are real wide, so when
Speaker 1: you look straight down, it's just like you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. You know, the animals are if
Speaker 1: you're hot, if you're too like, if you're I guess
Speaker 1: if you're low enough, you could see them, but at
Speaker 1: that point they're going to hear the thing. But the
Speaker 1: question was has have was have we ever done it?
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about doing it? We've definitely talked
Speaker 1: about how it's illegal and if it ought to be,
Speaker 1: and how helpful would it be anyway, and in what
Speaker 1: cases have they been abused? So beyond thinking about it,
Speaker 1: we've like spent quite a bit of time discussing this subject.
Speaker 1: All of the states that the states that banned drones
Speaker 1: are the states where drones would actually be helpful open
Speaker 1: like places with a lot of open country. And we
Speaker 1: we never fly drones on hunt days. Yeah, like when
Speaker 1: we're out shooting these shows. All our drone stuff is
Speaker 1: like days that we're not going for that reason, just
Speaker 1: so there's never any confusion. Yeah, there's no regulations about
Speaker 1: flying a drone, like for say in Mexico, but there's
Speaker 1: no way you're gonna find like a couzier with a drone.
Speaker 1: I don't care, you're not gonna find one. Do you
Speaker 1: ever use tracking dogs to find injured game? I have
Speaker 1: not used a dog that is trained and kept for
Speaker 1: the sole purpose of finding game in order to find game.
Speaker 1: I'm not either, but I think I feel like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be seeing more and more of that. And I
Speaker 1: actually have a guy offered me one who lives near
Speaker 1: where we're hunting in Wisconsin and November and he has
Speaker 1: a drawer, or however you say those fancy dogs from
Speaker 1: Germany and uh so, yeah, we have a bad hit,
Speaker 1: then we'll try it out. Why didn't you try tracking
Speaker 1: your Colorado bull that night? Because the best hope was
Speaker 1: that the bull would lay down. And when you get
Speaker 1: a hit on something and you don't hear it like
Speaker 1: crash down and die or watch it crash down and die, um,
Speaker 1: you don't want to pressure it because if it is
Speaker 1: injured and runs off aways and it's not being pursued,
Speaker 1: your hope is that it lays down and dies. Once
Speaker 1: you get a sense that something is not immediately mortally
Speaker 1: wounded and you start pursuing it, you will be bumping
Speaker 1: it out of its bed. And if you bump it
Speaker 1: out of its bed and scare it, it will cover
Speaker 1: a distance in minutes that it might otherwise cover in
Speaker 1: many hours, And if it's not bleeding sufficiently to follow
Speaker 1: its progress, you will lose it while it's hauling ass
Speaker 1: away from you. When if it just lays down and dies,
Speaker 1: you have a good chance a better chance of finding
Speaker 1: it because you're at least in the right area and
Speaker 1: you haven't sent it off into the next county. So
Speaker 1: following it that once you get down and take a
Speaker 1: look and he's like, this isn't gonna go. Well, don't
Speaker 1: pressure it. Give it time regardless, you shouldn't really pursue
Speaker 1: anything for an hour mm hmm. And I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: You were there with I don't know two three guys
Speaker 1: with you. But um, what you gotta remember too, is
Speaker 1: that trail blood trailing, man, it is mentally and physically exhausting.
Speaker 1: If you're like really on a hard blood trail, two
Speaker 1: or three hours of that, I've seen it, man, people
Speaker 1: just start falling apart because you're just not used to
Speaker 1: putting that sort of effort with you. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's your eyes and having to stare like that
Speaker 1: and look and the emotions that you're going through. But
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. And so you know, you
Speaker 1: shot him towards the evening and you guys spent I'm
Speaker 1: guessing a couple three hours on it and then decided
Speaker 1: to bail. It means a smart move to do, because,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you want to let him rest, but
Speaker 1: you get some rests to yourself, and then in the
Speaker 1: morning you're nice and fresh, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: those pin drops that you might have missed at night
Speaker 1: under a head lamp. The next morning you can see
Speaker 1: him and find them, and you know, we spent a
Speaker 1: few hours, but we didn't move a hundred yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was because there's and there's also like all these
Speaker 1: little indicators you get. There's little indicators you get when
Speaker 1: you're on something that's got a bad hit where you
Speaker 1: either see things, either reconstruct things and realize that like,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're in good shape. It's gonna die, or
Speaker 1: you start putting the pieces of the puzzle together and
Speaker 1: you start getting a sense that it wasn't immortal um
Speaker 1: that is not mortally wounded, or there's a good strong
Speaker 1: likelihood that it's not mortally wounded. And that would go
Speaker 1: by kind of like how the blood, how much blood,
Speaker 1: the patterns that the blood falls, the coloration of the blood,
Speaker 1: what we might what might be with blood. Does the
Speaker 1: blood fall on its own or does it only get
Speaker 1: brushed off when it brushes against branches. When it brushes
Speaker 1: against branches, how high on the branch or low on
Speaker 1: the branch, is the blood, does it look oxygenated, does
Speaker 1: it have little chunks of muscle in it? What's the
Speaker 1: coloration of the hair where the hit was on the ground,
Speaker 1: what what were the sort of mannerisms or the movements
Speaker 1: of the animal post hit? And you get a sense
Speaker 1: that like yeah or nay. Mean, sometimes you'll see something
Speaker 1: you know might get hit by a bow and you'll
Speaker 1: start you go, poke your nose in there down the
Speaker 1: ten yards down the trail, and it looked like someone
Speaker 1: had two cans of red spray paint going through the woods,
Speaker 1: going out each side. And then I'm not too worried
Speaker 1: about everybody hanging around for three hours waiting, because you
Speaker 1: just know what's gonna be waiting for you. There. You've
Speaker 1: got something that's punched through both lungs and every time
Speaker 1: it's heartbeats, it's shooting out of its shooting out alands
Speaker 1: of blood out of each side. And then you're like,
Speaker 1: let's go. Someone else wants to know. Aren't you afraid
Speaker 1: that scavengers or insects will damage the carcass when you
Speaker 1: leave an animal? Ay like that? Absolutely not. Insects just
Speaker 1: rot from heat, just they got all the guts in them.
Speaker 1: That stuff generates a ton of heat, generates heat, like
Speaker 1: even when they're dead, they got so much that's like
Speaker 1: big guts of launch wet lawn trimmings in their stomachs.
Speaker 1: It just creates heat. They rot. The first place they
Speaker 1: rot is around the ball joints on their back hams
Speaker 1: and just spreads from there. Yeah. Man, and then and
Speaker 1: then not so much bugs right away, but but uh, bears, coyotes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all everything, all this stuff. Man, it's hard. It
Speaker 1: can't be all like rigid about it. It's like all
Speaker 1: this stuff is like, well, there's this, but then there's that.
Speaker 1: Well there's this, but then there's that. There's this, but
Speaker 1: then there's that, and then you factor it out and
Speaker 1: try to make a call. It's never like I know
Speaker 1: exactly what needs to be done, boys, it's more like that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it sounds like. Someone writes, I
Speaker 1: want to hear you discuss the efficiency and ethics around
Speaker 1: using bows and muzzle loaders. Efficacy is over because you
Speaker 1: can't shoot them as far and they're less forgiving. So
Speaker 1: but efficacy efficacy is a hard thing to talk about
Speaker 1: because there's like I don't know, I guess like a
Speaker 1: rocket propelled grenade would have tremendous efficacy. You probably get
Speaker 1: like there's probably like military weapons, I suppose, like very
Speaker 1: very high caliber. I don't know, like truck mounted machine
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's like ways to get efficacy that
Speaker 1: borders over into a UM borders over into an overkill situation,
Speaker 1: or the efficacy is so high that not many people
Speaker 1: will be able to have the opportunity to go try hunting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: too many people are too good, and if everybody's filling
Speaker 1: their tags, then a lot less people are gonna get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go hunting. Someone could say there's great
Speaker 1: efficacy and being able to use UM night vision high
Speaker 1: powered rifle. With night vision, you can get up, get close,
Speaker 1: they don't know you're there. You get great clean shot placement,
Speaker 1: great efficacy. We should allow people to hunt at night
Speaker 1: with night vision because it's better efficacy. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: at a point, you have a finite resource, and the
Speaker 1: ability to the ability for a bunch of people to
Speaker 1: go hunting relies on the fact that not everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: get one. It feels like you just answered this, but
Speaker 1: somebody asks, why doesn't Colorado let you use a scope?
Speaker 1: On your muzzle loader for that elk season. They're just
Speaker 1: trying to I think my guests, they're trying to widen
Speaker 1: the gulf. They're trying to widen the gulf between firearm
Speaker 1: and muzzle loader. Yeah. I mean they're trying to keep
Speaker 1: it a primitive weapon him, which is why muzzleloaders seasons
Speaker 1: were came out in the first place. I believe it's
Speaker 1: like they're a little bit better than a bow, but
Speaker 1: they're not a modern firearm. Right. It gives you a
Speaker 1: chance to have more seasons more. It's like you're creating opportunity.
Speaker 1: Someone else says after your Colorado hunt, are you still
Speaker 1: an advocate for muzzleloaders or are you less likely to
Speaker 1: support them? I have absolutely no problem with muzzloaders. Um,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with muzzleloader seasons. I actually appreciate,
Speaker 1: as much as it didn't work out for me, I
Speaker 1: appreciate Colorado's efforts to keep muzzleloaders as a sort of
Speaker 1: distinct weapon class. UM muzzleloader tech. If you have said,
Speaker 1: if it's there's muzzleloader technology out there, you know there's
Speaker 1: some very some phenomenal muzzleloaders. Man, there's guys that are
Speaker 1: getting three yard accuracy scope muzzleloaders. Ah, so yeah, I applauded.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has a muzzloader season where it has to be
Speaker 1: a flint lock. It's got to be like the hammer.
Speaker 1: There's a piece of flint that strikes a piece of
Speaker 1: steel and shoots a little spark into a hole which
Speaker 1: ignites the gunpowder. They go, yeah, I grew up doing that.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Did you ever kill a deer doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But are did with musloder one. At one point I
Speaker 1: killed more deer the muzzloader than bow and rifle. But
Speaker 1: what about with a flint lock. Yeah, I've never even
Speaker 1: shot a inline muzzloader until I moved out here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I was ruler of the United States, all of
Speaker 1: game laws, I would make them all musloader seasons, like
Speaker 1: you know, flint log iron sights there. Loose powder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we loose powder, and we'd melt down lead and make
Speaker 1: our own balls by loose powder. You know, indulge me
Speaker 1: for a minute, there, spencer, So if you went and
Speaker 1: looked at it, we really were talking about Daniel Boone.
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone hunting what he had a rifle that was
Speaker 1: spiral barrel, so it was rifled. He had a rifle
Speaker 1: that was rifled. He would take a powder horn and
Speaker 1: pour loose gunpowder gun powder down his barrel. Then you
Speaker 1: would take a patch of cloth and put bear grease
Speaker 1: on it and nestle a lead sphere into that greased
Speaker 1: piece of fabric and cram that down the barrel. And
Speaker 1: that's your ball, your wadding and your loose gunpowder, and
Speaker 1: you can pack that. And then the firing mechanism was
Speaker 1: a little piece of flint that would strike a little
Speaker 1: piece of metal and shoot a spark into a hole. Well,
Speaker 1: he'd prime it. So it's like there's a flash pan.
Speaker 1: There's a flash plan with like seven G or five
Speaker 1: G or whatever, like a finer gun powder. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we used I think it was like like or two
Speaker 1: F in the barrel and three F in the pan.
Speaker 1: I think you're answer too low, or yeah, maybe three
Speaker 1: in the barrel four in the pan or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when you hear it was just a flash in
Speaker 1: the pan, what you're saying is a flint hits the frizzen,
Speaker 1: causes a spark. The spark falls into the pan and
Speaker 1: ignites the powder in the pan, which goes through the
Speaker 1: touch hole and ignites the powder in the barrel. Lock
Speaker 1: go wrong a wrong time, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: time and a lot of room for flinching. You gotta
Speaker 1: hold your bead because it goes like boom yeah, boom
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Uh, I got a question about can I
Speaker 1: finish my point real quick? Though? Now what those things
Speaker 1: are is now you got like a little cake of
Speaker 1: powder did you just carry around in your pocket or
Speaker 1: a pellet even Yeah, So it's like and there's no bear,
Speaker 1: there's no greased piece of fabric. You got a conical
Speaker 1: shaped bullet. It's like shaped, it's like a bullet. It
Speaker 1: rest inside a piece of plastic, which is a sabbath.
Speaker 1: And then you can have powder that isn't even powder,
Speaker 1: it's like and then you have a primer that is
Speaker 1: like a little cap that you carry around and it's
Speaker 1: when you touch that trick, you know that's something just
Speaker 1: going off. I mean it's just going off, and you
Speaker 1: put a scope on top. If you go watch our
Speaker 1: Maryland SECA episode, you'll see us hunt with these setups.
Speaker 1: You're up there like when I see when I'm getting them,
Speaker 1: And that's not the feeling you get with old style muzzleloader,
Speaker 1: no at all. Is it a known fact that Moon
Speaker 1: did not measure his powder? I don't you. I don't
Speaker 1: think that they measured the powder, And just reading accounts
Speaker 1: of how people did, I think they free poured and eyebald,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were measuring there. I'm sure that
Speaker 1: at times, maybe during a shooting match or whatever, they
Speaker 1: would measure their powder. But you read many accounts of
Speaker 1: just like, I think it's just something you did all
Speaker 1: the time your whole life, the same way when you're
Speaker 1: putting salt on something you're cooking. I think they just
Speaker 1: open that horn up and knew what they were looking at.
Speaker 1: You measured like how many hundred grain charges until you
Speaker 1: just kind of like you could dump it out on
Speaker 1: the table and he'd be like, that's a hunter grains,
Speaker 1: that's a hunter grains, that's hunder grains in Freeport. Okay.
Speaker 1: Someone says, I totally respect the idea of not taking
Speaker 1: a different elk in Colorado, but why did you not
Speaker 1: spend the rest of the trip looking for the one
Speaker 1: that you wounded. It's a great question. Uh, needle in
Speaker 1: a haystack? Man um, Yeah, that's a great question. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what it would it be. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would have what doing, so
Speaker 1: what it would have begun to look like? Uh, to
Speaker 1: like stay out and try to find Yeah, good question,
Speaker 1: no answer. Yeah, I don't know if you'd be looking
Speaker 1: for a dead animal or looking for a live one
Speaker 1: that's you know, hold up somewhere with the wound on
Speaker 1: its you know, chest or shoulder. But yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. Someone says, Hello, Latvian Eagles
Speaker 1: slash long tang Yanni slash Latvian lover. I would love
Speaker 1: to know more details about the distance and specifics of
Speaker 1: the deer drive in Wyoming, because that ship happened quick
Speaker 1: and it looked like a real crack shot. I think
Speaker 1: that was my favorite part of season nine, seeing an
Speaker 1: executed deer drive in the back country like that. That
Speaker 1: was that was special. That might be the only one
Speaker 1: that ever gets executed ever anywhere. No, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a listener that has a whole they drive deer out
Speaker 1: of all the time, But no, that outfitter Stewart Peterson.
Speaker 1: He's been on that hillside on that mountain quite a
Speaker 1: few times. And if you could see the whole mountain. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we did a pretty good job in that
Speaker 1: diagram kind of showing where there was timber and where
Speaker 1: there wasn't. But the diagram is great when it was
Speaker 1: because its chili diagram. First, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: oddly specific, and then it goes back to showing like
Speaker 1: the hunting. I was like, oh, that's because they made
Speaker 1: it very specific totally. Yeah. No, I mean there was
Speaker 1: a very and we had glass this strip of timber
Speaker 1: numerous occasions in the prior, you know, five or six
Speaker 1: days looking for deer in there, and it did not
Speaker 1: look like much and it looked like it was just
Speaker 1: a strip of raggedy you know, wind blown I'm guessing
Speaker 1: fir trees, you know a lot of that stuff that
Speaker 1: they called the shin tangle um shintang, Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: tangles your shins when you walk through it, just like
Speaker 1: grows lokes. It's just gotta be like trying to like
Speaker 1: grab onto the rocks because it's just like this these
Speaker 1: strip of timber was just on a basically a giant
Speaker 1: screen slide hillside. I mean that went on for you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand yards either direction and hundreds of yards up
Speaker 1: and down until you either made the ridge or you
Speaker 1: actually dropped down into it like the main timber, which
Speaker 1: would have been you know, below tree or at tree line.
Speaker 1: And uh, he just knew that they hole up in there,
Speaker 1: and that morning we had bumped deer that had headed
Speaker 1: that way, so you thought it was a pretty good
Speaker 1: chance to be deer in there. And again he had
Speaker 1: executed his drive prior to doing At that time, he
Speaker 1: told us a couple of stories about other hunters that
Speaker 1: had sat where he was sending me and where I
Speaker 1: went to. We had already spent a couple of day
Speaker 1: a sitting and looking at deer in the bowl below us,
Speaker 1: on a ridge across from us, so I had a
Speaker 1: pretty good familiar familiarity with when he was explained to
Speaker 1: me where to go, with what it looked like and
Speaker 1: what I was gonna see there. And I knew what
Speaker 1: he was talking about when he was talking about game
Speaker 1: shows that wrapped around that hill and where they went,
Speaker 1: because again I had been sitting above them for a
Speaker 1: couple of days. So it didn't happen much faster. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was enough time that the photographer and I walked
Speaker 1: to the spot that might have taken five to ten
Speaker 1: minutes we set up there. There was enough time for
Speaker 1: me to kind of, like I did, I set up
Speaker 1: like a long range shooting position. If they kind of
Speaker 1: came out low and got farther, I needed a better rest.
Speaker 1: And then I had a sort of a shorter range
Speaker 1: shooting position when I used my tripod and I had
Speaker 1: a V attached to the top of it where I
Speaker 1: was gonna shoot, you know, a hundred yards or less
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. And I sort of explained that to
Speaker 1: the amor a few times, and we were like, all right,
Speaker 1: now it's time to wait. We'll see what happens. And
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't more than five or ten minutes. And
Speaker 1: you remember when a deer is pushed on a drive.
Speaker 1: They moved so quick through that country that the pusher
Speaker 1: is probably just standing at that deer's bed when you shoot,
Speaker 1: even though you might be a thousand yards away from it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how fast they moved from that spot
Speaker 1: to where where I was. There's a good chance that
Speaker 1: Stewart had just gotten into those beds and said, look
Speaker 1: at that, there was some deer bedded here, and then
Speaker 1: he probably heard me shoot. They left those just like
Speaker 1: we showed the diagram diagram. They left that little strip
Speaker 1: of timber and just wrapped ride around the horn of
Speaker 1: that ridge, and uh, didn't drop down, didn't really come up,
Speaker 1: and then came basically right underneath me. And as far
Speaker 1: as the crack shot goes, I saw him coming from
Speaker 1: a ways. Um, the photographer that with me is is
Speaker 1: he's a great photographer, but just hasn't done too much
Speaker 1: work with us yet. And so it was happening fast.
Speaker 1: That deer was coming, and it was in a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of small trees. It's hard for him
Speaker 1: to pick up. But um, that deer was walking pretty
Speaker 1: slowly by the time he finally got over to me.
Speaker 1: And I think I shot him at like sixty or
Speaker 1: seventy yards. It was really a pretty easy shot on
Speaker 1: your mulee. It sounded like you were sawing through the
Speaker 1: brisket if so, have you ever tried sawing right next
Speaker 1: to it where the ribs attached. It's all cartilage, and
Speaker 1: it's way easier even on ilk w A A A
Speaker 1: A A y way easier, so much easier making a
Speaker 1: point there was that for me for either one of
Speaker 1: you who was so I know the guy I always
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, it's easy to cut over there. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, when you come up with your gutting decision.
Speaker 1: I'm going up the middle anyway. The hair is real
Speaker 1: short along the brisket, and so I out there and
Speaker 1: then I cut there with my saw, which is I
Speaker 1: don't I don't view it as very hard. And then
Speaker 1: you can just kind of open it up and it's
Speaker 1: like opening up center based in the middle, and you
Speaker 1: can get in there and cut the esophagus and and
Speaker 1: uh tracky and everything and and gut it and you
Speaker 1: can't go down to the side. But then the other
Speaker 1: thing is when I take the rib slabs off this way,
Speaker 1: there's symmetrical, but sure, especially if someone had skinned it
Speaker 1: all the way back, I might just go up the
Speaker 1: side like that. Yeah, I guess on a deer, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We might shave away that brisk getting throwed
Speaker 1: into the grind pile. But I don't know why it
Speaker 1: looked hard, because I think zipping through the brisket of
Speaker 1: a deer is usually pretty dang easy. I don't it's
Speaker 1: it's enough easy enough. I don't really think about it
Speaker 1: being a thing. How did you feel when you were
Speaker 1: looking for your tag and you came back and found
Speaker 1: that the guy had cut your deer clean in half?
Speaker 1: Did you see it as disrespectful to your kill? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: These guys we're hunt with some guys Landing and Stuart
Speaker 1: Peterson Cricket Sky Outfitters, and these guys are like phenomenal hunters,
Speaker 1: very hard workers. But they are like there horsemen, they're
Speaker 1: packers if you like a big part of their jobs,
Speaker 1: they are packers. They know how to move things from
Speaker 1: point A to point B. What be at people or materials.
Speaker 1: On horses. He has a way to carry mule deer
Speaker 1: where you got a horse with a panier on each side,
Speaker 1: and he knows where to cut it so that that
Speaker 1: front half and back half way the same. When you're
Speaker 1: loading horses, it might not seem like this would be
Speaker 1: like an actual thing. A pound matters. The panniers on
Speaker 1: a pack saddle like they're balanced there, they're just they're
Speaker 1: setting there balanced. Um, there's some lashing and stuff, primarily
Speaker 1: like if they're out of balance, it's not going to ride.
Speaker 1: So he goes up to the third rib whatever the
Speaker 1: hell he is, because the deer off at the knees,
Speaker 1: grows up to the third or fourth rib. Whatever cuts
Speaker 1: the thing in a half knows how to tilt its
Speaker 1: head over to make up the difference, puts it into panier,
Speaker 1: and he knows that that mule here is now cutting
Speaker 1: two halves the way the exact same amount. I've never
Speaker 1: seen that before, and I thought my eyes were deceiving
Speaker 1: me in the episode, I thought someone else had killed
Speaker 1: the deer in the like time that they had last
Speaker 1: shown your mule deer. And then when they came back
Speaker 1: to it, because there was like two halves of mule
Speaker 1: here there. Yeah, we were trying to get I mean
Speaker 1: it was I would have liked to have taken part
Speaker 1: in that process. But as you saw, like where it
Speaker 1: had a snowstorm, it was very late at night. I
Speaker 1: was trying to find the deer tag, everything soaked. He
Speaker 1: just no. I thought it was genius, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know about that trick. You guys weren't familiar with that
Speaker 1: cutting them that way, so they weigh the same first
Speaker 1: I had seen it. No, then he cocks the head
Speaker 1: over the top of the the crossbars there and out
Speaker 1: of there. Yeah, if disrespect, if there could somehow be
Speaker 1: disrespect in getting something out cleanly, and effectively, Um I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And they leave the hide on
Speaker 1: just to protect they like they leave the hide on
Speaker 1: to protect the meat, which is pretty calm with horse
Speaker 1: people because you're not horse people. They're not always trying
Speaker 1: to find ways to make everything light, so they're able
Speaker 1: to do It's like making everything light and compact and
Speaker 1: transportable isn't like their primary focus. Like they know how
Speaker 1: to use the horses for what their best at. So
Speaker 1: a lot of horse guys leave hide on stuff because
Speaker 1: then you get home, skin the hide off and it's
Speaker 1: all clean underneath. They use it like in substitute of
Speaker 1: a game bag. Then they oftentimes aren't looking to turn
Speaker 1: things into like a thousand bags of stuff. Two is
Speaker 1: is fine. Those guys are good dudes, man. They know
Speaker 1: what they know their business very well. Someone wants to know,
Speaker 1: can you cook mule deer ribs the same as white
Speaker 1: tail ribs? You sure it wasn't the opposite? Well either way?
Speaker 1: Can you cook them the same way? The same question? Yeah, anything, anything,
Speaker 1: any kind of ribs, it doesn't matter. Someone's wondering how
Speaker 1: you got the meat home from Wyoming. I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear a little more about your post hunt slash post
Speaker 1: field dressing logistics. Yeah. Yeah, um, I did the same
Speaker 1: thing just recently on my Colorado l count. We've been
Speaker 1: flying traveling with empty Yeti Hopper coolers, but we drove
Speaker 1: to Wyoming. Yeah, oh, I forgot. We drove those deer home.
Speaker 1: Called him in a lie. You're right, you're right, you
Speaker 1: know what that question there was some There was some
Speaker 1: more to that question that Spencer skipped over. That was
Speaker 1: asking if we had checked him in on the flight,
Speaker 1: because I knew that you didn't fly from my own
Speaker 1: but I think this guy wants to know how we
Speaker 1: do it. So yeah, like those guys are saying on
Speaker 1: that particular one, they just went home, probably just about
Speaker 1: that way mine was quartered because we packed it off
Speaker 1: the mountain. But they probably just went into a cooler anyways,
Speaker 1: for flying or road trips, so for transporting, for transporting, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into the flying because this works pretty slick.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Tho's Yetie hoppers, soft sided coolers. We get
Speaker 1: the meat cold. If we can freeze it, we freeze it,
Speaker 1: but it's usually just like large muscle chunks, not fully processed.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's gonna go right into my freezer.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get it cold. So literally, on
Speaker 1: my last hunt, I put the meat, came off the mountain,
Speaker 1: boned out. I took it to a process or cooler,
Speaker 1: and I said, how much its gonna take for me
Speaker 1: just to story here for a while? He said, He
Speaker 1: said X amount whatever it was per day. So it
Speaker 1: was in there for three or four days. The day
Speaker 1: before we left, I went and picked it up and
Speaker 1: just shoved giant chunks and meat into these yetie hoppers
Speaker 1: as full as I could get them and zip them shut.
Speaker 1: Now they're heavy, they're we're wait, so you have to
Speaker 1: pay for that on the flight home. Now you're forgetting
Speaker 1: a couple of steps here you okay, you hadn't gone
Speaker 1: into ziplocks Nope. And then you hadn't lined the hopper
Speaker 1: with a contractor bag nope. Okay. I had cooled clean,
Speaker 1: not bloody, just Mimi stepping in here. It had been
Speaker 1: setting on a wire rat getting air circulated around it
Speaker 1: like in a nice you know, meat cooler. One thing
Speaker 1: that's gonna get you in trouble. Yeah, oh, I learned this. This.
Speaker 1: I don't I hesitate to even tell people this. Some
Speaker 1: of from Alaska Airlines was telling me they can't. They
Speaker 1: won't ditch stuff based on smell. It has to be
Speaker 1: an overpowering odor. Okay. I was like, really, She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't. It's just like if something smells, we can't
Speaker 1: decide to get rid of it. Did you But what
Speaker 1: she said, we can do anything dripping blood, it's it's
Speaker 1: okay to not handle it. So I I like to
Speaker 1: line the hopper with a good contractor bag, put my
Speaker 1: meat in there, and then zip tie or electric tape
Speaker 1: that contractor bag shut. Because I've heard from multiple airline
Speaker 1: people that anything dripping bodily fluids definitely is okay to
Speaker 1: like find its way to like the dumpster. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like I said, this is a particularly particular instance where
Speaker 1: I knew the meat was just extremely I don't want
Speaker 1: to say dried out, but like I said, it's been
Speaker 1: laying in a cooler with air going around it with
Speaker 1: a fan for three or four days, Like I just
Speaker 1: until you froze it and then thought it out. Then
Speaker 1: it would probably have juice or blood or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call that stuff from the cells breaking down
Speaker 1: that it would leak. But um, when yes, if you
Speaker 1: strip the velvet off antlers, let it dry, because she
Speaker 1: said if someone touches that antler and gets that one
Speaker 1: in their hands, they don't have to handle it. It's
Speaker 1: good tip. But speaking of antlers in the head, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a real conundrum because that same shop,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, sorry they did. They did like the
Speaker 1: you know, skull cleaning, like a quick European amount, Like
Speaker 1: how much do that? You know, I'm thinking I'll just
Speaker 1: pay for it, no big deal, but they wanted three
Speaker 1: or fifty bucks to freedom ount of skull. Yes. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll figure something out. You have got to
Speaker 1: be kid, what's the world coming to? It? Seems like
Speaker 1: that's going right. So I had I had pretty much
Speaker 1: ahead that had been set in the garage for four
Speaker 1: days now, and it was you know what kind of
Speaker 1: clean that I had pulled the eyeballs out and pulled
Speaker 1: some meat off of it, brains still in it. Um.
Speaker 1: Actually we had to pull the brains out because it's
Speaker 1: because of c w D. We didn't know if we
Speaker 1: had to. I think we actually checked and didn't have
Speaker 1: to for that. There are some places I don't want
Speaker 1: to make this confusing, But there are some places where
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful about transporting brain matter, bones,
Speaker 1: and different parts of animals across state lines and even
Speaker 1: from unit to unit in different states. So if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that with any kind of meat, read the
Speaker 1: REGs closely. Um. So I thought that was gonna be
Speaker 1: the case. So we took we pulled the brain out,
Speaker 1: but I still had like this kind of semi wasn't
Speaker 1: rotten yet, but just a bloody, meaty head and had
Speaker 1: some dirt on it. And you can't just walk into
Speaker 1: the airport like that. So I took some shop towels,
Speaker 1: like basically a blue paper towel, kind of put it
Speaker 1: on there, wrapped a little bit of duct tape on
Speaker 1: there to hold that on there. And then I took
Speaker 1: a just a regular old grocery sack like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the small one if you just go and get a
Speaker 1: few things from the grocery, wrapped that around the head.
Speaker 1: Then I went balls to the wall with duct tape
Speaker 1: and covered the whole head and turned it into like
Speaker 1: a piece of art that just looks like a skull
Speaker 1: covered in duct tape. Now that was fine for that
Speaker 1: was contained right because you get garden holes or pipe insulation. Now,
Speaker 1: So then I went and got ah, it's perfect because
Speaker 1: they sell like I didn't know, eight and like ten
Speaker 1: ft chunks of garden holes and you cut about I
Speaker 1: don't know, four or five inches of garden holes and
Speaker 1: stick it onto the end of a time and then
Speaker 1: basically just you don't even have to tape the top part,
Speaker 1: the open part above the time, just to keep the
Speaker 1: garden holes onto the time. You take that up, and
Speaker 1: they want you to do that. So it's not sharp
Speaker 1: because if they put a head with times into the
Speaker 1: bottom of a um airplane and someone tosses a you know,
Speaker 1: a piece of luggage on top of it, could very
Speaker 1: well go right through it, right, So you're protecting other
Speaker 1: people's stuff by taping that. Or the plane goes down
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that antler comes crashing up
Speaker 1: through the floor of the plane. Right, you get a
Speaker 1: time before you burn up. So anyways, yeah, I checked
Speaker 1: that and the guy had year old questions. Just like
Speaker 1: put a tag on it and stuck it in and
Speaker 1: then I it was interesting they loaded it. There was
Speaker 1: the very last piece of gear to go onto the plane.
Speaker 1: I say gear luggage she walked it over and handed
Speaker 1: it to the person. Didn't even ride the conveyor belt.
Speaker 1: They took care of my antlers very very well. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice when people are like that, because you're always
Speaker 1: coming in with something like that. Your eyes a little
Speaker 1: bit like what am I? You know what am I
Speaker 1: running into flying home? My kids care? But we're coming
Speaker 1: in there like welcome, welcome. Well, their anchorage and Air
Speaker 1: Alaska Airlines they're used to that in those fairbanks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you come in there with a polar bear, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: please wrap his claws and something. When we flew home
Speaker 1: from Sonora, you guys just carried those bucks on just
Speaker 1: a small Yeah. But I've seen I've seen people get
Speaker 1: turned away. I've seen people get turned away. I saw
Speaker 1: the other day, speaking of flying with stuff, I saw
Speaker 1: there a guy getting a major, major fight. He was
Speaker 1: fighting with the t s A guys so bad. He
Speaker 1: had speedloaders, so you had a hard case with his
Speaker 1: pistol stuff. He's some kind of competitive shooter, I could
Speaker 1: tell by all of his shirts and the guys he
Speaker 1: was with. And you're supposed to like when you fly
Speaker 1: with AMO, you supposed to fly with ammo in its
Speaker 1: original box or a container made for ammunition. He had
Speaker 1: a hard case with his pistol in it. He had
Speaker 1: all his ammo loaded into speedloaders and the t s
Speaker 1: A Guy's like no, and he's like, all right, fly
Speaker 1: all over you know the first thing you say to
Speaker 1: anybody's here talking about how much you fly all over place? Right? Alright,
Speaker 1: fly with this deer head everwhere I go, never before.
Speaker 1: But he lays that on him, and this guy is
Speaker 1: like not giving an inch. The dude gets so heated
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, two cops come and one
Speaker 1: cop comes and stands back like to survey the situation, right,
Speaker 1: another cop goes out to engage with the dude. And
Speaker 1: it was the most genius piece of policing I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: because you could the cops like wants to to Here's
Speaker 1: a guy stand there like a pistol in an airport, right,
Speaker 1: are you know, over speedloaders and he's getting heated up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this guy can shoot good. So the policeman comes
Speaker 1: up and the policeman is like, the t s A
Speaker 1: dudes basically his colleague. They both work in the same airport.
Speaker 1: So you can see that he can't alienate the t
Speaker 1: s A Guy. And he comes up and explains that
Speaker 1: in my and in defending the t s A guy,
Speaker 1: you can tell he doesn't agree with the t s
Speaker 1: A Guy. But he said, we have a job of
Speaker 1: interpreting in a in a situation like this, we interpret
Speaker 1: the situation, we interpret the law, and it's for courts
Speaker 1: to figure that out later. But in the moment, we
Speaker 1: need to make a judgment call. This is the judgment
Speaker 1: call this man is made. Then the guy is still
Speaker 1: getting heated up. This this police guy takes the guy's
Speaker 1: speedloaders and says, I will get these held for you,
Speaker 1: and when you're coming through town again, I'll come and
Speaker 1: bring him to you. You let me know. Here's my
Speaker 1: business card. Dude, calm right down, didn't fly with his
Speaker 1: speed loaders. The cop like soothe everybody out. I even
Speaker 1: gave him like a nice job as he's walking away,
Speaker 1: because this dude was getting heated up. Man, and he
Speaker 1: came and just dissolved that ship, like dissolved that ship.
Speaker 1: That's great. Was there they were loaded, you said. He
Speaker 1: instead of having his pistol rounds and boxes, he had
Speaker 1: him and all these speed loaders and I don't know
Speaker 1: why it never occurred. The guy just to like, but
Speaker 1: you're screwed in the airport because you can't go take
Speaker 1: all the amber and throw into trash can. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna let that fly. But but I'm surprised if he
Speaker 1: had needed those speed loaders, like say, for the competition,
Speaker 1: that maybe he was flying too, that he would have
Speaker 1: kept those and just he was going I knew he
Speaker 1: was going home. He was headed home. No, it's a
Speaker 1: great bit of policing. Everybody saved face. No one was
Speaker 1: like yeah, everyway. Then I saw that same police guy
Speaker 1: again later in the airport. I almost went up said
Speaker 1: something to again. I started thinking, you think I was
Speaker 1: creepy in the making of all nine seasons? How many
Speaker 1: times has the camera crew scared off an animal you
Speaker 1: were hunting? Only once? All the animals all the time,
Speaker 1: What was it once? I'm joking. They spook a lot
Speaker 1: of them, but they spot a lot of them. It's real,
Speaker 1: like they spook a lot and spot a lot. Are
Speaker 1: they carrying bn oculars? They get into it, yeah, they
Speaker 1: they we got some camera guys have become like very
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about glassing, and everybody spoots a lot. They we
Speaker 1: spook him, we spot them, they hear them. It's just tough.
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of complications. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: good that comes out of it, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of eyeballs. Man, Yeah, you worry about missing something comes
Speaker 1: close by. What are you doing differently with the cinematography
Speaker 1: this season? It has a different feel, but in a
Speaker 1: good way. I'll let your Honi handle that one. Uh.
Speaker 1: The answer is nothing. Um. If you felt that way
Speaker 1: and and saw something, you know you can certainly, um
Speaker 1: send me an email to the info at meat Eater?
Speaker 1: Is it info? Do we have that spencer? You know?
Speaker 1: What do they send emails to? When they sent them
Speaker 1: to general email inbox? I don't know how this all
Speaker 1: get there? Well, how do you get untact? Just hit
Speaker 1: the contact stage on the website. A lot of good
Speaker 1: stuff coming. But I can tell you that you know,
Speaker 1: just about everybody that we worked with on that season
Speaker 1: has been working with us for quite a few years.
Speaker 1: And um, just through tweaks and and polishing. You know,
Speaker 1: it gets better and better, hopefully always changing, always upgrading
Speaker 1: and changing equipment. And then you'd like to think that
Speaker 1: people just get better at what they do. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think people just get better, the editors get better. Everyone's
Speaker 1: just growing. There's the thing that happens to is that, um,
Speaker 1: the camera operators that you use a lot. This is
Speaker 1: probably isn't what this person is getting at, but the
Speaker 1: camera operators use a lot start to get a real
Speaker 1: sixth sense. They kind of understand, like they start to
Speaker 1: understand how animals like, they understand how the situations play out,
Speaker 1: how the interactions play out. Um, And just to exposure
Speaker 1: to it, I think get a sense of of also
Speaker 1: body language that people have, right, and and and and
Speaker 1: and they get like they kind of like meld into
Speaker 1: it in a better way and they sort of know
Speaker 1: you know, uh, for instance, like if the importance of
Speaker 1: kind of like tying in a person and an animal, right,
Speaker 1: So if you're like, oh, there's a year over there, right,
Speaker 1: that rather than showing the hunter and showing the deer,
Speaker 1: and showing the hunter and showing the deer, they kind
Speaker 1: of get where they position themselves to get the hunter
Speaker 1: and the deer and the same shot, right. And that
Speaker 1: just comes from exposure and seeing these things happen again
Speaker 1: and again, and also from the good relationship between the
Speaker 1: host or talent or guests or whoever, and the shooter
Speaker 1: where they start to really understand. You know, if you
Speaker 1: hunt with someone all the time, like a buddy, you
Speaker 1: just kind of know what they're thinking and doing. You know,
Speaker 1: like you're walking along grouse hunting and you don't say like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll stay roughly this far apart and you know, and whatever,
Speaker 1: you just without talking, you just understand what each other
Speaker 1: is up to. Um, you don't just then wander off
Speaker 1: and leave the guy, you know. Uh So, just through
Speaker 1: that proximity, I think a lot comes out of that
Speaker 1: um that could lead perhaps to some of what they're talking,
Speaker 1: what they're noticing. And I imagine also just like equipment
Speaker 1: and getting better at your craft kind of scenes, what
Speaker 1: are your meals like and your snacks like before obtaining
Speaker 1: fresh meat? It just depends, man. Yeah, if we're hunting
Speaker 1: out of a like a house that we've rented or
Speaker 1: staying at someone's place. We were rarely based out of
Speaker 1: a hotel, so we usually like to base out a
Speaker 1: place where we can cook our own meals. And in
Speaker 1: that case, I mean, it's not too different than what
Speaker 1: you might be having at home for dinner. I mean,
Speaker 1: we usually have spaghetti night and we have taco night.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just pretty broack night. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's definitely stuff that that I can and and Seth
Speaker 1: can cook up quickly. Um. You know, after the long
Speaker 1: day a hunting, last thing, you wanted to spend a
Speaker 1: bunch of time in the kitchen, So stuff that we
Speaker 1: can whip up quickly. I was going over just with
Speaker 1: Chester and Molester last night. Yeah he's simple. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: tried to go too complicated one time. I know, I
Speaker 1: gotta go simple. People are tired. It's late, yep, and quick.
Speaker 1: We often bring we'll bring our own meat. We're talking
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, if you're gonna travel with some empty
Speaker 1: yetie hoppers, you might as well pack in a couple
Speaker 1: of rows and stuff. But some trips we do all
Speaker 1: freeze dry like maybe instant oatmeal in the morning. All
Speaker 1: freeze drying for lunch, just like have a thing of mayo,
Speaker 1: have some cheese, have some salami and flatbread, very simple,
Speaker 1: bunch of granolas. Now on the Wyoming hunt, we had
Speaker 1: a full on cook Yeah, they were cooking outfit. There
Speaker 1: was an outfitted trip, so they did like outfitter meals, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which we weren't gonna do. But then I figured, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll give us more time to uh, you know, focus
Speaker 1: on the hunting, come home again tired. I mean because
Speaker 1: full meals, full meals. Yeah, because like that night you
Speaker 1: killed your buck. I mean you were in like four
Speaker 1: or five hours after dark. You know that someone like
Speaker 1: made all kinds of cool food. Oh yeah, well I
Speaker 1: think we put on during that trip. That's I think
Speaker 1: it's a game changer when someone else is cooking because
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about it gives us a
Speaker 1: lot more time to do other things. What's it like
Speaker 1: to pack out an elk at elevations above ten thousand feet?
Speaker 1: And are there noticeable physical differences between elk at lower
Speaker 1: elevations and higher elevations. Man, they don't even have to
Speaker 1: be ten thousand feet. Man, if you come from sea level, uh,
Speaker 1: five thousand feet might be very arduous and a tough
Speaker 1: pack out. I still don't hear people. I can't think
Speaker 1: of a conversation where someone was factoring elevation above just
Speaker 1: distance you know you're talking about, like you might say, Man,
Speaker 1: by myself, I don't think it would. I think it
Speaker 1: would be irresponsible for me to kill elk more than
Speaker 1: a mile from my truck. I've never heard someone say, um,
Speaker 1: hunting by myself, it would be irresponsible for me to
Speaker 1: kill an more than a mile from my truck at
Speaker 1: said elevation, Like, I just don't. It's a real thing
Speaker 1: and it factors in, But I don't know that I
Speaker 1: hear people maybe they should pay attention to that because
Speaker 1: it's a major major issue. It is. But if if
Speaker 1: anything at ten thousand feet most places during archery elk season, um,
Speaker 1: and then as you get later it will be even
Speaker 1: more to your advantage. But uh, it's gonna be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Like above town ten thousand feet, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of days that are actually gonna you take care of
Speaker 1: your meat and get it hung on the north side
Speaker 1: of the tree that it couldn't hang there for two
Speaker 1: or three days and be just fine, giving you plenty
Speaker 1: of time to do the actual work. In terms of
Speaker 1: the difference of the animals, yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 1: a layman isn't gonna look and no, but there's no
Speaker 1: way there's not a difference and there's no way there's
Speaker 1: not a difference in fitness between some crazy elk and
Speaker 1: Colorado All living at ten eleven thousand feet and the
Speaker 1: elk living at two thousand feet. There's no way, there's
Speaker 1: not a difference in uh um that the ten thousand
Speaker 1: footel is not going to smoke the two thousand foote
Speaker 1: el can raise that ten thousand feet. I mean, how
Speaker 1: how did you know? There's no way it's gonna be
Speaker 1: just like anybody else. Like you live at high elevation,
Speaker 1: you learn how to perform at a high elevation. But
Speaker 1: I don't. You're not. I'm not gonna like dissect one
Speaker 1: and be like, look at this, see he's got a
Speaker 1: Did you learn anything watching Jesse Butcher the Neil guy,
Speaker 1: M yeah, quite a bit um cooking more than butchering.
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I picked up from him butchering
Speaker 1: that I now do is, uh that clever rubber mallet. Man,
Speaker 1: Like I always knew about it, you know, and I've
Speaker 1: seen it, but like to really see someone who's good
Speaker 1: at a rubber mallet and a clever it's nice man.
Speaker 1: I started doing that even in my kitchen. Cleveland rubber mallett.
Speaker 1: It's just very ice feeling because a lot of people
Speaker 1: take Cleveland start just wailing away at stuff but when
Speaker 1: you put that blade right, you would want it and
Speaker 1: then give it a love tap with a rubber mallet.
Speaker 1: It's so precise. Well, I think too, I'm like messed
Speaker 1: up a clever too, because when you're whacking bones with
Speaker 1: a clever, that blade cannot withstand that those impacts. He
Speaker 1: end up like really dinging and like putting full on
Speaker 1: waves in your blade as Grandpa's old carbon. And it's
Speaker 1: probably not meant to do that. It's meant to be
Speaker 1: used a way Jesse was used that little love tap
Speaker 1: with a mallet. Dude, it's like just on a rousing
Speaker 1: deer ribs one even on just a home cutting board.
Speaker 1: I was like, so, I usually hacks on my ribs shorter,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, tell and you take that
Speaker 1: Cleveland lay it on and I shot Cleveland at mallet
Speaker 1: and it's just like satisfying. Man's just like so that
Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest things. But mostly I
Speaker 1: learned from him um cooking. I mean, he's just like
Speaker 1: a thousand times better of a cook than I am.
Speaker 1: When you're hunting in Wyoming and your guy don't do
Speaker 1: anything on the sabbath, what would have happened if you
Speaker 1: guys still had tags to fill. Oh, they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: cared if we'd gone hunting. We would have been hunting.
Speaker 1: Could have you used the horses? No, No, their horses
Speaker 1: rest on Sunday. Oh it's it's everybody. Well, no, they don't.
Speaker 1: If you're with those guys, then you want to go
Speaker 1: do something, They're not gonna care. If you said, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go fish, and they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: go down. That's why we packed my buck out on
Speaker 1: foot and on our backs. What about the cook I
Speaker 1: can't remember what. I believe that their employees took the
Speaker 1: Sunday off to Yeah, I don't. I don't imagine that that.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine that they would say that we are
Speaker 1: going to take the day off, and we'd prefer that
Speaker 1: our horses take the day off. But then an employee
Speaker 1: others would be obligated to work. But then again, she's
Speaker 1: certainly made breakfast and dinner for us that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think like just eating, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: somewhere I can't remember. Yeah, I can't really remember. Um.
Speaker 1: But no, they're very uh observing of their religion in
Speaker 1: a in a like kind of you know, an admirable, admirable,
Speaker 1: respectful way, and it would have been never been that
Speaker 1: we could have done whatever we want. No, and there's
Speaker 1: not you know, they're like quite up front about it.
Speaker 1: It was totally cool. I actually appreciated it. On the
Speaker 1: Wyomi hunt. How many horses were with you in camp?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man close to be like one human
Speaker 1: to one horse pack. They had pack animals and we
Speaker 1: got crew. We had a huge string because of all
Speaker 1: the gear and packing in pelican cases and ship. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was twenty, No, probably probably closer to
Speaker 1: fifteen ish. And I had to guess they probably each
Speaker 1: led us string of four or five and then plus
Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah, solid fifteen. There's a lot goes
Speaker 1: into that horse business man. My sister in law knows
Speaker 1: a lot about horses, and she knows more about horses
Speaker 1: than she can even begin to tell you, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not even things that you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like the same way when you're talking to people, you're
Speaker 1: making all these calculations and observations about their personality and stuff,
Speaker 1: and later you said, like I got you know, you
Speaker 1: can't be like I like him because you know this, this,
Speaker 1: this and this. You just don't think about it that way.
Speaker 1: But people that are around horses, man, they look at
Speaker 1: a horse and they just see something that I don't see.
Speaker 1: There there's a lot happening under the surface. And to
Speaker 1: keep all those horses moving in the same direction stuff
Speaker 1: without getting all worked up and piste off. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's something. They were hard working, dude. They would be
Speaker 1: up well before us and go to bed. Wait, I've
Speaker 1: just taken care of the horses. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of horses take care of. Yeah, you gotta draw
Speaker 1: a license. Is the hunting that area? But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: man um, I would without hesitation in terms of getting
Speaker 1: your money's worth and having someone work like, I would
Speaker 1: out hesitation recommend doing a guided hunt in terms of
Speaker 1: like someone that like wants to hunt hard and is
Speaker 1: willing to put in the time, and those guys are
Speaker 1: hard workers. Last question is probably the most common question
Speaker 1: the media got. When will there be part two? Soon? Early?
Speaker 1: Right soon, soon soon? Thank you, Spencer, good work, Spencer,
Speaker 1: seth thank you absolutely start thanking. I started thanking people
Speaker 1: an awkward way all the time. Thank you, honest, You're welcome,
Speaker 1: Thank you, good work. Any thank you Steve, thank you