WEBVTT - Ep. 240: Good Myths Die Hard 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 boat bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.600 can't predict anything presented by on X Hunt creators are 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.160 the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.440 Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:38.240 where you stand with on X. You're honest that you hear? 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.640 What do you hear? What happened to Brand's boat? No, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.400 you haven't heard this. So I'm talking to Danny, my brother, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:52.400 and it's our good buddy Brandt waterfowl biologists. Danny says, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.640 oh yeah, Brandon Matt Carlson are out hunting and hunting 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.360 moose in my boat. And he said, you'll know what aid, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.360 I said, my boat, And so what happened to Brand's boat? 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.200 Him and Danny were fishing co hos on the river 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.319 and he said they're just in the worst possible spot 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.400 where there's this big tree across most of the river 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.000 and he said, just ripping current through there and Brands. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.440 Danny said, he's glad he was nowhere near the tiller 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:29.600 or nowhere near the center console for this, but Brands 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.400 like rafts around in front of this big overhanging tree 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.319 and somehow snag something and pulls out. You know that 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:43.280 stupid dangerous little safety feature where you pull that ripped 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.560 cord you're supposed to look at your life jacket. Yeah, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.400 I think it's more. I think it's like pepper spray, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.200 bear spray. It's almost like I'm more scared of bear 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.800 spray than bears, And I'm almost more scared of those 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.360 things than I am, just because if it's not clipped in, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.320 then you can't run the engine, which is what I 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.800 can see where the story is. Somehow, I don't understand 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:11.120 how he somehow uh pulls that thing out. Burn engine 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.640 just stops, and Danny says, he turns, and here it 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.960 comes this tree brands trying to get this little thing 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.680 up and back in there and ship and his boat's gone. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.640 He said. It hit like they had a bunch of 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.960 all their gear, everything they had with them. Danny said 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.040 he had time to jump clear that boat. Well, he said, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.960 for a minute, he said, even as it was it 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.840 was filling, you could kind of control how it was 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.240 flooding by how you leaned and where he put your weight, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.880 But there was no stopping it. Did he climb out 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.520 onto the tree. He climbed out on the tree, Danny. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.640 So the tree is like out of the water and 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.920 then has a bowl in it and goes under you know, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.519 they always do this. It's like out of the water, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.760 then it's under the water, and then it's out of 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.400 the water. Dan. Anywhere he hits he's in. He's gets 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.240 in the spot where he can get out on the 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:11.079 tree and leap the area. But he said, branches hanging 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:18.720 on with waiters. He hasn't read the Meat Eater Guide 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.480 the Wilderness Skills and Survival, because if he had, even 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.320 though it hasn't been released yet in order now on Amazon, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.840 he'd hear a big mouthful about putting your belt on. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.520 Danny said, those waiters just ballooning out. Am I right that? 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.080 He said he had to ditch the waiters to get 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.360 out of there, So he don't remember that hanging on 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.640 to the tree, hanging on the tree. By this time, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.920 the boat's gone like gone like under the tree underwater. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.920 It's stuck on the tree, still engine pinned. They got 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.960 a buoy. They they're gonna go back and get it 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.120 once the water games. They tied a buoy to it. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.600 If that's a thing you can claim on insurance. I 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.880 asked him if he tied his wrote his name on 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.360 the booty or anything, you know. He said, no, this 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.720 is the booty tied to it underwater, pinned. They're waiting 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.560 for the water to go down and try to get there, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.000 at least get the boat and engine. Engine is gonna 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.479 be He said he didn't lose anything other than like 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.760 a rod or two. All of his stuff. I thought 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.479 Danny said he got it all back. No, that's where 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.360 he found some of it, back aties and whatnot. But 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.120 I don't think he found I thought he said all 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.280 they lost were like a couple of rods. I think 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.000 Brandt lost three or four rods. Danny lost road. How 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.160 far were they from the put in? He up, so 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.960 they just flag someone down and remember how they got 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.720 out of there. I remember the name of the tributary 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.640 that that tributaries up aways fish this river with him 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.840 quite a few times over words. I don't remember how 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.400 they got out of there. I don't know if he 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.640 said not quite a few a few. Man. That's how 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.120 those accidents go. Man, just from like happy fish and 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.520 day into all of a sudden, it's just tear. Yeah, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.160 he said, you know that. He said it took him 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.400 to figure out. He said that the engine just stopped, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.480 you know, and he turns, this isn't good. So they 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.360 were like already close to that tag. They just come 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.640 around it and he says, real fast current and they're 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.159 going up and all of a sudden, just like the 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:25.920 last thing in the world you want to happen. Yeah, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.719 he said, you can kind of forgot about that party, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.800 saying you could kind of run around for a minute. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.560 It was like and kind of like control where the wall, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.440 you know, when he said there was no and then 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.039 he said, you know, he got off to the beach 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.000 and then had to try to, you know, half help 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.000 try to get Brand out of the water. I meant 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.360 to give Brand a call and console him a little bit, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.080 and I didn't scare him off rivers. He's out. They 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.440 were out. It's a good story, though it is. I'm 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.960 glad they're both safe. We were on that river one time. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.000 This is a funny story about that river. We get 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:06.000 to the takeout and we've been up. We're going up 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.680 duck hunting and he's got my brother, Brands doesn't my 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.119 brother has another river boat. It's got a go devil 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.559 on it, you know, like it's like an eight ft 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.359 aluminum flat bottom of the air cooled. It's like a 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:26.159 it's a it's a Briggs and Stratton golf or lawnmower engine. Right. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.480 The powers is big long shaft and we're going up 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.120 in the dark. Yeah, well I explain the Go Devil 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.000 because I mean it's yeah, you can run it across 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.520 wet grass. It's air cooled, and it's a big stainless 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.200 steel shaft that goes back. They come different lengths, but 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.840 you can get them. They go back shorter ones. I 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.960 think it's got about a six ft shaft on it, yeah, roughly, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.160 But they're made so that when the boat is pushed over, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.760 say a log, that shaft is at such an angle 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.800 and there's I guess what, I don't know if they 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.080 call it a skag two on that shaft, but that 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.359 is made so that the propeller will just bounce over 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.040 said log as it comes across it. You know, so 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.480 you can basically, like in the South, they run them 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.160 a lot, and they literally run in inches of water 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.080 that's sometimes closer to mud than it is water. Yeah, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.600 And the thing about being air cooled is like anybody's 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.200 ever run a normal boat motor. It's cooled by the water, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.480 Like there's an intake that sucks up river water, lake water, 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.400 ocean water, and that cool water coming in it's cycled 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.920 through the engine. So you have to have some water 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:38.360 just to cool the engine. But with an air cooled engine, um, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.040 you don't need to worry about that. Then you just 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.480 you're as you're holding the tiller, you're doing holding the 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.280 tiller is more like three dimensional. Is that the right word. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.960 It's more three dimensional. When you're holding the tiller. You're 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.920 not only controlling like side yeah, where you're Yeah, that's 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.720 what I'm trying to say. You're working on two axis. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.239 Is when you hold the tiller, you're working on side 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:05.400 side up down, so you're digging it in lifting it out. Anyhow, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.880 I remember this dakes we're going up duck hunting and 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.760 it was dark, dark ish and running through and I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.240 remember holding the that tiller and hitting going through a 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.840 hole that had some salmon in it. The most of 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.040 I don't know what most have been real thick and 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.720 you can feel them hitting that shaft coming out, like 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.560 the shaft going over the tops them. But anyways, we 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.400 get down after we duck hunt, same place. Get down 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.600 to that takeout and there's a dude down there pretending 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:40.079 to be the world's dumbest tourist. Boy, golly, you can 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:45.560 fish and hunt ducks in there, Holy smokes, let me 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:50.000 see one of them ducks, right, mm hmm. And we're 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.120 just like, you know, entertaining. I'm gonna amusing him. After 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.240 a point, he opens up his jacket and pulls it 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:00.720 out and it's a badge. It was the awarding let's 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.640 see your licenses ship. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, you 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.640 think that's cool. Look at this bald eagle shot, you 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:14.599 know or whatever. I don't know. Yeah, I thought that 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.560 was some shrewd game warden. In Alaska, Um, they don't. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.679 They don't. It's troopers. So so like most dates, you 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.040 got cops like regular you know, state police, county sheriff, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:34.920 various municipal agencies. In Alaska, it's like troopers, state troopers. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.160 There are state troopers who specialize in like a wildlife division. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.200 But their troopers they're kind of they can do whatever 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.440 they I mean, any game ward can kind of like 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.240 you know, any game warding can make an arrest for 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.520 drugs or whatever, assist and all that kind of stuff. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.719 But yeah, in Alaska, it's like troopers. There's not the 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.480 The enforcement Arm isn't part of the Fishing Game Agency. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.840 The Enforcement Arm is part of the state police agency. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:10.199 It was a trooper. Um. Youth Duck opens for US Saturday. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.960 Mm hmm. I will be taking my kid. We shot 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.320 a bunch of ski last weekend, taking him out for ducks. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.320 We'll put our blind out tomorrow, a plan on it 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.400 being very low pressure. Yeah. He was telling me about 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.959 how his arm was sore and a little bit bruised 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.880 up from all the skeet shooting he did. But I 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.800 think he was being very careful to not like over 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.320 emphasize it or spent too much time on it because 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.360 he doesn't want to get downgraded back to the four tents. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.440 That something would just be like, yeah, well, you know, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.520 maybe we don't have to go yet. Like he's not 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.240 letting it get in the way. He's like, even though 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.599 my arm hurts, I'm gonna go shoot ducks. Yeah. I 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.440 can't wait. Man, Um, I feel like the ducks aren't 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.800 really acting like ducks yet. I don't like the good 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.520 I'll they know what hits him on a youth duck opener. No, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.600 you don't even see him flying around, right They just 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.000 kind of like, Oh I saw him stacking into a 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:12.000 cut wheat field two days ago. Yeah. I just feel 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.920 like they're just kind of like laying around the pond 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.000 right now. Yeah, they're definitely not as active as they're 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.880 like people at the beat a month from now is 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.840 what it looks like. Yeah, I curious see how that goes. Uh. Finally, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.480 no quick thing to touch on. Two things. Some guys 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.400 sent in a picture. I don't think this. I think 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:33.120 it's made the news a little bit. Like this bear 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.080 running around the collar on and the bear is like 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:42.360 famously this bear is famously tame, And apparently it's so 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.400 tame that someone managed to go off to the bear 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:50.840 and put a trump sticker on his radio collar. Really 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.640 this these whoever it is, these researchers are now trying 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.120 to are they're now gunning for whoever was up like 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:06.920 basically handling bear bear. Wow, that's crazy. Like he lured 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.800 I don't know, I don't know how you pull that off. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.840 He lured it in with some food, put a bumper 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.200 sticker on its radio collar. Oh ship, there's a five 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:22.520 thousand dollar reward. Spencer's got the picture right there. That 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.000 had to have been like that had to have been 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.520 some drinking going on. Is it a crime? Okay, harass 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.000 and wildlife? Maybe must be to put a bumper sticker 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.880 on a bear. I don't know who's putting out what 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:41.679 the state? Was it North Carolina? Who's offering the reward? 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:49.680 I don't know. I'm reading about you get another five 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.600 grand if you swop it out with one of these stickers. Yeah. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.200 I just have a feeling there is no bear anywhere 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.800 carrying a Biden sticker. Uh, It's it's real quick before 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.720 we get started. You like you finally publicly, It's it's 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.760 come to this is the last will ever discuss it? 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.160 You finally published the scroll Nuts article. You an't think 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.199 about something this morning? At the gym they play that 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.240 stupid show at the gym where do guys like argue. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.640 They try to make up like full on make believe 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:27.559 shipped to argue about sports on ESPN. They full on 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.240 like a producer, makes up a thing to argue about. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.800 They're there for fifteen minutes. I can't I can never 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.800 tell what they're saying because the volumes off. But I 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.120 can like read what's on the things. Apparently for fifteen 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.800 minutes they're arguing about like does something How important is 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.920 it that some team wins the third game of the 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:52.400 season series and they get dressed up in suits to 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.079 talk about this, which is the weirdest thing. These guys 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.400 were as the High they were the fanciest ass suits 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.320 to like argue about make believe sports stuff. And here 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.400 we are the reason to bring this up. Here we 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.560 are talking about squirrels biting the nuts off of squirrels 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.160 and we're able to pull that off a T shirts. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:16.080 The differences to that, like, um, this is real animosity 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.640 that we have for them. It's like they're inventing, uh 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.280 a side of the argument to argue, but this is 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.080 real though I'm sure they assign it so like they're like, okay, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:33.800 you you uh you act like it doesn't really matter 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.560 if they win the third game, you know, and uh 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.440 you over there you'll act like it really does matter. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.160 That's what I'm saying. When the cameras are off there, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.720 they're not like continuing this argument. It's not like not 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.240 like this in real life. But I it kind of 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.960 made me feel like I should get a really nice 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.120 suit and come down here in a really swanky suit 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.640 and talk about stupid stuff. Those wardrobes I believe are 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.440 provided by you know, if that's what they if you 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.240 watch the credits. Yeah, this is just mean guessing, but 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.720 I'm guessing that there there's probably companies that are trying 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.720 to get into those spots where you know, you could 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.560 provide a suit or two to the guys that do what. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.880 That explains a lot, man, because it's pretty always got 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.280 different little outfits. Oh yeah, they're cute little Barbie dolls 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.280 like yeah, you gotta be right. I never thought of 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.600 that. That That Actually actually feel better about it anyway. So 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.440 you finally put the squirrel nuts thing to rest, me 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:37.000 saying that, me saying that I've always heard that pine 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.200 squirrels bite the nuts off off the squirrels. Lots of 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.280 people have heard that, and your official thing now is 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.680 what they do not do that. I'll give you credit 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.080 in two places here. First place I'll give you credit 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.000 is that this is a common belief. I was wrong 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.200 about that. Found where it came where it might step from. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.560 Ye I, I had thought that everyone believed this because 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.120 Steve believed it, and then they had heard Steve say 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.840 it on the podcast right, and then he thought there 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:10.000 could all be traced to that which I might do. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.840 Sometimes I was wrong, though we got we got emails 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:18.920 from Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Montana, everywhere in between, saying that no, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.480 my uncle told me this, my neighbor told me this, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.960 my haunting mentor told me to this. So it was 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.280 like a fairly common belief that this happens. And you 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.520 found reference in the old book, yes, nineteen fifty six, 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.280 in the Singing Wilderness. This is the oldest written source 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.320 that I could track down of it. The book was 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.720 inspired by Lake Superiors beauty and it had a whole 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.520 chapter was the author dedicated to red squirrels. It was 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.320 written by Sigurd Olsen. Are you aware that I won 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.320 the Secret f Olsen Nature Writing Award? You didn't know 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.160 that this is good stuff though? Actually when I wanted, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.720 I was actually taking out his I was laurel Is 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.440 that a word at his? Uh? I was. I was 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:08.199 rewarded the reward award in his old Stompergrounds. I like it, 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.399 and Olson Nature Writing Award. So when I saw that article, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.640 I felt a trade, I felt a kinship, but also betrayal. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.040 The cigarettes said that secret Secret said that this was 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.280 I g U r D. He had a whole chapter 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.520 dedicated to red squirrels. He's kind of like an elder 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.040 Leopold who never got real famous, never got as famous, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.119 And it isn't isn't in his time, you know, But 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.600 isn't he He didn't kind of like hit the mark. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.520 He didn't kind of hit the afterlife jack pot quite 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:45.160 like Leopold Fair. Sure. Yeah, So he had a whole 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.280 chapter dedicated to red squirrels. And in that chapter he said, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.520 I also know that owls like them as well as 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.040 Martin's and that they can throw the fear of death 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.280 into the larger gray squirrels should they invade through the 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.879 convenient medium of castration. Damn right. So that that was 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.840 what he said. And looked. That's the oldest written source 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.480 I could find. So I talked to John Kaprowski. He 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.399 is the dean at the Hobb School of Environment and 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.000 Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming. Prior to that, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.840 he had written three books on squirrels. He's won awards 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.360 for his work on squirrels. Have those books then won 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.720 the Secret off Olds and Nature Writing Award? I don't know. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.560 I don't know, man, but if there's a dude that's 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.359 written three books on squirrels, we might consider having him down. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.359 Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, I would consider him like the authorities. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.399 I wish crib was here. He just moved to the 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.520 Uh he he went from the University of Arizona. We're 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.240 in contact. We're in contact, right, great, I think he'd 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.200 be a good resource. A footal episode that's five five. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.000 So I talked to him, and then I also talked 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.320 to Jonathan O'Dell, who's a small game biologist for the 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.200 Arizona Game and Fish Department, who has be a tree 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.840 squirrel Grand slam holder. That's right. So not only is 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.600 he passionate about squirrels enough to work with them in 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.760 his job, but he's also what he thinks he also 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.920 shoots them. One of the first people to have North 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.720 America's squirrel slam, which is killing all eight species. Eight. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.560 That's a lie, though. You can take it up with him, 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:23.800 well eight, what about the del Marvao squirrel? You can't 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.360 hunt the um Maybe it's like the eight huntable ones. Yeah. Sure, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.440 you need to fix up his language. You need to 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.040 like fix up your language, because I bet he wouldn't 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.080 say that if you're a squirrel man. Okay, So I 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.800 talked to those two folks. They both said, this doesn't happen. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.320 That's not a reality. They've they've like watched mating bouts. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.800 They've you know, dedicated there seen squirrels have sex a 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.280 hundred times. Oh yeah, he in the wild that John 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.679 Kaprowski said that he has spent tens of thousands of 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:58.400 hours in detailed behavioral studies watching red squirrels. Red squirrels, Yes, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.879 he said, this doesn't happen. But so another place that 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.320 I'll give you credit, Steve, is that there is like 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.399 good reason for believing this, right, Like red squirrels are 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.840 pretty feisty, um. And then it's also common to kill 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.000 like impotent squirrels that are males. Uh. But what you're 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.119 really seeing there is when you think you kill the 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.760 squirrel that had its nuts bitten off, is that for 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.280 part of the year, when they're not doing the squirrel rut, 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.879 when they're not breeding, they'll absorb their testies like up 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.639 into you I don't think you'd say their abdomen, but 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.000 they absorb it up into their body and then that 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:45.080 that sack shrinks Okay, So oftentimes, oftentimes do you have 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.080 some male squirrels running around that don't have visible tests, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.600 and then young of the year squirrels don't usually develop 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.720 their tests until their first birthday. So you'll see a 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.960 lot of male squirrels in the woods that appear to 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.439 not have testicles. But it's not be as they got 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:05.520 bit off. And you think secret Olson, who oh, you 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.159 know what's you know? It's pretty good, I'll tell you 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:13.280 in our squirrel myth, you think secret Olson. Uh shoots 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:19.000 a great squirrel, inspects it's genitalium, sees that it's missing 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.479 its scroll, and says to himself, there's only one thing 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.639 that could explain this. A pine squirrel also known as 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:33.000 the red squirrel, has eaten his testicles. I would also 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.000 imagine that he was not like the source of this right, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.080 like he had heard his granddad and and so on. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.080 But now we're gonna put an end to that, you know, um, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:45.960 you know how it's often said, you're gonna tell me, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:52.200 But it is often said that Boone, Daniel Boone would 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:56.520 hunt squirrels by barking them. Are you mere with this? 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:03.160 I'm familiar in a way that like I've seen squirrel calls. 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.960 It's a shot placement strategy. Oh, like shooting next to 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.600 them so as not too so it's not too damaged 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.680 to meat of the squirrel. You get a squirrel plastered 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:19.840 against a tree, and you hit the tree, you shoot 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.119 the tree, right word of squirrels, make a contact with 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.080 it so that he is concussed. And he was probably 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.320 doing this with a musket ball, right. No, he would 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.399 have had a rifle. He would have had a rifle. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.840 He would had a Kentucky rifle, but not a shotgun. No, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:41.639 but he would have been shooting like a rifled flint lock. Okay, Well, 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:49.240 the feller that claims to have done that with Boom, 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.439 he even says like what river they're on, and what 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.639 year it was, and the Boone loved eat squirrels and 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.280 love to hunt squirrels and would bark the squirrels. Later 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.440 historians looked and Boone wasn't even in that state that year. 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:08.600 So it's like, did the guy, you know, do you 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.400 mess it up or just lied about was it? John Philson? 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.840 I don't know. Did he mess it up? Was he 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.600 just being like he had heard something and wanted to 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.480 attribute it. I think there's an endless amount. It's just bullshit. 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.760 Just I'm not saying it's bullshit, but we're kids. We 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.040 used to take all kinds of ball bearings, wrapping up 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.600 a masking tape and shoot him off our sling shots, 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.760 thinking that we would create a shotgun like effect if 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:39.520 you hit a tree near a squirrel or bird. I 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.439 think there's like an endless amount of fact checking can 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.679 do with stuff like Boone and Crockett and huge Glass 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.240 and all those folks that it's just like it's hard 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.320 to even start down that wormhole because of just like 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:57.840 never end hm. I like it though. I'm glad that 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.840 you finally put some effort into that because it made 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:05.239 some gravy. Well, I don't know, because I still when 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:09.520 we're talking about strange human behaviors. Rick Smith, the camera man, 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:17.160 there are seven billion people on this planet, So am 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:23.200 I surprised that someone did that. No, now I'm like this, 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.920 you're telling me somewhere at some point in time, a 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:33.359 red squirrels never bit squirrel. It's not common. Jonathan Jonathan O'Dell, 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.159 the squirrel slam holder, did say that he's like, like 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.400 the squirrels get tangled up and they'll bite each other 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.600 and they'll wrestle and it gets like violent. Um, He's like, 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:46.800 they won't intentionally go for the testicles, but there's probably 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.880 been instances where they get the testicles. Yeah, but that's 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.560 a good time to sneak in there and kill a 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.560 whole pile of them that you see all the time 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.840 on like uh, Nature's Metal and those Graham accounts where 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.240 squirrels will get their nuts hung up on like feeders 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:09.239 and fences and stuff. I'm sure they eventually ripped them off. Well. 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.320 And then somebody commented on your Instagram post, Stephen, they said, well, 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.880 I don't know. We uh we live in the area 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:16.800 that you said have a lot of gray squirrels. And 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.040 then red squirrels moved in and all the gray squirrels disappeared, 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.159 furthering that they do actually castrate them wether than just 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.200 displace them. I saw that some guys, like someone white 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.199 Tails displaced Mulder. They're biting all their nuts off. I 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:40.480 was that guy. I wrote that, Alright, alright, what we're 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:45.239 doing now. We're in honor of, or in celebration of, 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:50.080 the the ninth season or ninth season, which is a 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.720 five pack of episodes. There's more episodes coming up soon. 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:57.000 Um of Meat Or is out on Netflix, available for 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.399 viewing now. And so every time we launched episodes, if 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.920 you get like a bunch of questions, and oftentimes you 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.480 get a bunch of the same questions like people watching 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:11.399 and certain things percolate through the collective brain and then 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.960 we this this time around, me went and solicited those questions, 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:21.320 and then we commissioned uh Spencer here to come in 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.919 and ask those questions and to answer the questions. We 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.240 have people who are very very close who were all 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.119 present for all production. Seth, you didn't miss any of 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:36.720 did your south? Nope? Not last year? I was there, Seth. 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.960 Do you now that I have my own flashing beam? Um? Oh? 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:47.560 When I gave Travis Barton the welder, Uh, this is 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.800 the first fleshing beam he's stand he's ever worked on. 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.240 He does a lot of decorative stuff. You gave him 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.160 my stand. He wanted to see your stand to replicate 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.840 it for my flashing beam. What do you think? Uh? 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.520 You know how you're how the tensioner on your adjustable part. 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.399 I told him to turn that into a hand crank 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:09.760 so he didn't need to get out of Heck's head. 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.640 Wrench to do it. That's a good idea. But then 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.879 he thought, what if that bolt has sentimental value? So 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.440 he's producing a whole new t bolt with a T 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.159 grip on it, and you'll still have the sentimental bolt 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.639 on your thing. It's not sentimental at all. Now I'm 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.199 gonna have my own beam, and Seth's gonna mentor me. Yeah, 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.480 what's the origin here? Beam? Did you make it? His 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.479 old man made it? No, my old someone made My 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.280 old man had it made by. I don't remember who. 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:43.439 Someone actually might have been my buddy, Rusty Fetzer, his 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.760 dad might have done it. I don't remember who welded 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.360 up the stand. I think it was my buddy's dad. 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:54.160 You know what. Travis Barton thinks that that he used 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.639 in the construction of that stand. He thinks there's like 0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:02.000 a hex shaped daft. Yeah. He thinks that that's off 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:07.800 an old chisel might be. Yeah, I don't remember who 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.800 well did it. He also thinks it's very dirty. Oh 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:15.520 it's covered and fat and blood, yeah, he comments. He 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.000 commented on, well he might catch from that thing. I 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.119 don't clean it. Yeah, okay, so where were we? Oh? Yeah, 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.080 are you like happier intimidated. I'm getting into beaver fleshing, 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.280 while I'm not intimidated yet because I still have to 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:33.399 teach you how to do it. But it's it's good because, uh, 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.159 you know what, how maybe as we catch thirty or 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:43.320 that's daunting when he got thirty the freezer. So it's 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.240 nice to know that you could do half of them, 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.760 you know. And there's a part of a mentor mentee 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:56.440 and the sort of trajectory of a mentor mentee relationship. Uh, 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.160 there's sort of like a playbook of how those relationships work. 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.680 There comes apart in the mentor mentee relationship when the 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:09.240 mentee me yeah, actually turns against the mentor. Boy. It's 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.240 just it's just like a thing that happens. And there's 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.680 that study this, you can study this. Where where are 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:18.160 we at in that relations I thought you were gonna say, 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.160 where the mentee gets better and starts teaching the mentor stuff. No, 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.680 he becomes like dismissive of probably like some kind of 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.280 psychology about like they don't like to behold they don't 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.240 like to feel beholden. So then they need to get 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.120 to a point where they like they have like outshined 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.680 or yeah, there's a part of that. There's a part 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.520 where we will turn against one another. There's probably flashing 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:46.480 different areas of the office. Yeah, from like seth perspective, 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.080 Seth would be like, I taught him everything he knows, 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.040 and now he acts like he came up with it. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.040 But no, no, no, Seith is saying I taught him 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.280 everything he knows, but I didn't teach him everything I know. 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.720 So he's gonna he's gonna hold back now, knowing that 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.320 you're to turn on him. Stead if you go ahead, 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.560 I was gonna saying, I'll keep some real hot tips 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.200 that I won't share with you. He's gonna teach me 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.840 his like signature stroke, and I'm gonna tell people that 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.480 I made up that stree. The only problem is he 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.840 went with you. You went with a different fleshing. Also, 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:16.760 I went with an assable. Yeah, well I have to 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.680 see how that is. I'm Seth. Seth uses the famous 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.760 um Necker. Yeah, but I've been here. I was reading 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.760 on little comments sections about the Necker ain't all that anymore. 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.400 Maybe maybe it's not. I bought an assable made by 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.800 it's made by like Dexter. Those fell has been in 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.360 the beaver process and business for about a couple hundred years. 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.240 Maybe they got something going on. I don't know. A 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:44.800 question you get up in the morning. I got a 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.080 question for Seth. You get up in This from a listener. 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:53.160 This is from NIE's brain. You didn't do any heavy 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.800 party and it's just a regular old morning. You get 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.920 yourself a cup of coffee and you got your mindset 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.760 on fleshing of beaver. Used to put on your apron 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.360 and everything's there. I'll point out that this never happens. 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.840 How many never ever happens. What's what's the length of 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.760 time to take you just to knock one out? Very 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.160 much heavily depends on the size. A big beaver takes 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:21.440 a shipload of time. Like how much time I think 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:25.840 I did the last time I kept track, I did 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:31.000 one big beaver per hour on the board. That's like 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.720 flesh and put on the board. Those guys in Minnesota 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.760 that we're going to hang out, you know those guys 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.560 in Minnesota we're going to hang out with this year? 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.480 He says, it's uh. I think he says ten ten 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:47.720 and ten tend to skin, tend to flesh, tend to 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.840 get it on the board. Thirty minutes start to finish. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.640 I don't know about this adventure. They're just cutting me 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:58.800 out of It's a dude I met in Uh, what's 0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.640 the hell's that town name? Some towns way up in 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.920 northern Minnesota where guys that trap a lot of beavers. 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:10.160 But Midge, they got the number one Ducks Unlimited College Chapter. 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.080 Way the hell up in Midge. I met those kids 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:18.160 and they gave me a Duck's Unlimited College Chapter hoodie up. Anyways, 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.560 I met him. He's this guy likes Joe Beaver. It's 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.440 not his name. His name is Mike. Actually, this guy's 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.120 name is Joe Beaver, and I want to go out there. 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.480 One of my problems so with with speed on flashing 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.080 right now is my knife is dull and he won't 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.320 let me sharpen it. Well, I'm afraid, yeah, especially how 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.080 interested do you think people are in this conversation? I 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.320 think fairly interested. Yeah. I don't want to war, especially 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.200 since you like stretches beyond the podcast, right, there's videos 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:49.440 of you guys fleshing Instagram posts. The problem with yonis questions. 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.800 Seth never has waked, woken up and flashed the beaver. 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.520 I've gotten that before he flashes beaver at night if 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.840 you can jolim, if you could jol him. He likes 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.240 to flash a round around five or six o'clock. I 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.560 shoot my rifles in the morning, flushed the beavers in 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.000 the evening. That's how it goes. He kind of gets 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.160 in the mood mid afternoon, late afternoon. Sometimes. I was 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:11.960 gonna say I was seeing him here in the office 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.320 all times of the day. Well, mostly because I'll get 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:19.560 the beavers out in the morning, let him fall, and 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.640 then by evening they're ready to flash. That's a good explanation. 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.360 So that's how that works. All right. Let's do a 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:33.480 season nine question. First question, what was the full conversation 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.200 like between Jesse and j T arguing over keeping that 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:45.200 tanker redfish? Yehny, we showed it. I think we did 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:49.160 a really good job of of of showing what it 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.720 was that there wasn't much more to it at U. 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.640 You know. JT is kind of like, yeah, you know, 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.320 usually allowed him go, but if you want to keep it, 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:01.200 please do. Jesse's like, yeah I do, and JT stuck 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:03.600 a knife across its gills and now was the end 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:10.279 of it. Yeah, I think that JT Uh, he's torn. JT. 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.680 Van's he's torn like he's in different directions because he's 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:20.080 a guide, so he wants you to have fun. He No, 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.719 he recognizes that it's a good fishery that's well managed. 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.480 But he's cognizant of not being abusive of that. And 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.399 I think that that he lets far more gold than 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.160 he keeps. He's leery of keeping him, killing him and 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:40.160 throwing him in the cooper just for the sake of 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:44.800 doing that. You know. Yeah, it's not something he promotes. Yeah, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.960 but when it's you know, I think that he he 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.719 gets on board with keeping a fish. Um, if he 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:55.560 knows that it's going to be treated well, respectfully and 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.080 consumed quickly, then I think it makes him feel better. 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.080 If you said, what I want to do is get 0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.440 it and then freeze it and then put in my 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.040 freezer and then wait a year and then throw it 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.560 out because it's freezer burned, I think the Jesse or 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.719 I think the JT would be very, very not cool 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.800 about it. All right, I know it wasn't JT style, 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.000 but did you all consider wade fishing when you did 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.560 the episode in Rockport? That is not not JTS style. 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.160 You're saying it is JT style. He does like to 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.640 do that, and I have done that with him. It 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.840 wasn't warm while we were down there, so that probably 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.920 played into it. But no, he'll get out and chase 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.120 him on foot. If you want to have a hell 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:39.279 of I don't have you seen that if people have 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:40.520 seen his show, If you want to have a hell 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:45.719 of a good day of fishing, go book what's he 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:52.359 calls outfit. It's like JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas. Yeah, 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.000 I don't know if he has like a name of 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:59.760 the outfit or it does either JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas, 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.239 Red Fish and Sea Trout. I would suggest going when 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.440 he says you ought to go, because I've gone. When 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.520 he says you I've gone, what he says is, you know, 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.200 he guides all the damn time he takes Like I 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.000 think he's like just one month a year or something. 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.400 He doesn't guide, but he'll kind of tell you like 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.719 we've gone out. When he was when he said, you know, 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.399 we will find fish, but it's not like the best 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.440 time of year. And then he went out when he 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.040 said this is the time to go, and holy cow man, JT. 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:31.399 Vans and dot com. That's where you can find them 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.960 book trips. Were you there when it was supposed to 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.480 be good? Dude, you have never seen fish like what 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:43.640 we saw when we were filming that episode. I've never 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.080 seen fish like that. We one time, we weren't even 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.640 really filming anymore. Man. We're like kind of like got 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.400 our most, We put some of it in. We kind 0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.319 of got everything we wanted to do done. We're heading 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.520 out one day and like the wind it switched or something, 0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.000 and there's like this channel. He guys, this real flat stuff. 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:08.080 It's just like channels and flats and you know, how 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:12.719 do you describe it? Very intercoastal, Yeah, intercoastal like estuary 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:17.280 type water. You know that's uh sandy, you know, shallow 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.480 lots of grass poking up everywhere here and there, and 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:25.720 just little braids and channels and islands and uh maze 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.560 like I mean, you could get lost in there and 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.080 a in a heartbeat and it opens up into little 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.080 bays and you know, stuff that if you don't know 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.759 how to get out of it, and then then the 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.680 water drops out of the tide. Boy, you could be 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.520 there for the tide cycle. And this dude knows like 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.040 what the fish are doing. Man and heat. We're kind 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.640 of done for day and heading out, and the wind 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.520 had switched and so it's blowing water. I was like 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.920 blowing water into these channels because it feels like to 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.000 find current and the current can come from a variety 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.359 of ways, like tide, wind, whatever. And we get into 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.600 the spot and we pull over, and it was like, 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:06.560 I'm not it was just every cast. I won't it 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.520 was every cast, But to this point I actually had 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:13.040 more fish than cast. At one point I was at 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:17.839 eleven fish and ten casts because one of the times 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.759 I has had my I took the fish off and 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:25.600 had my grub in the water and a redfish grabbed it, 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.120 so that put me eleven fish tent casts. I've never 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:34.640 seen anything like it, man Like, And then you're out 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.879 there with him and you think, you think, like, holy cow, 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.919 this place is full of fish. But I think he's 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:40.960 probably quite plausible that you go down and round a 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.600 boat and not get ship either. Yeah, but he just knows, 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.879 like what's going on, and this little spot right here 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.760 right now, like or later in the day, this little spot, 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.640 or they're not in this little spot, which must mean 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.840 they're in this little spot, and it gives you the 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:00.880 illusion that, like any moron could go in there and 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.680 catch a bunch of fish. Right on the next episode, 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.400 when you were chasing Neil guy and the guy told 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.680 you to shoot again, did it go against your beliefs 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.279 and that he thought and that he doubted that you 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.600 had great shot placement the first time? Did you feel 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.480 obligated to shoot again when he told you to No, 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:27.040 but you're like, you're highly um impressionable in moments like that, 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:30.000 and and uh so I think that same question pointed 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.200 out like that you were. There's two So we had 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.880 multiple guided trips in this episode. So we were guided 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:40.200 by JT. Van's aunt. We were guided on that Neil 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.520 guide deal and the Neil Gut deal was were like 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.160 kind of like we we sort of through social connections 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:50.880 New a Um. Social connections had a connection to to 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:54.400 a ranch and the ranch does allow some guided hunting 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.239 on there. And the guy that owns the place is like, 0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.719 coming out to hunt, I'd prefer that one of our 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:05.200 guys when out and accompanied you guys. He knows what's up. Um. 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.160 The guy was totally cool. The guy was not like 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.759 obstructionists at all, very knowledgeable and those nil guy are 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:20.360 famous for not dying when shot. And you have really thick, 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.800 thick brush. It's like you get up high on something. 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.280 It's just like this like eight, I don't know how tall. 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:32.360 Just this very thick brush extends for you know, miles 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.759 and miles and miles. And that guy was saying, you 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.799 hit them wrong and they make it in there. He goes, 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.120 once they get into that brush, I get a sinking feeling. 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.719 They he's like they he reiterated, they don't bleed. Well, 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.279 they have a very thick hide. Um. He just was 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:57.000 paranoid about losing them. Yeah, I believe you even shot 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.719 the heart. I shot the top of the heart right 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:04.320 off and there was almost no blood. And this thing, dude, 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.839 it got up and ran like so he so he 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:14.279 had already set it up that like very very knowledgeable dude. 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.279 He had already set it up like listen, man, these 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.839 things getting the brush and they vanish. Yeah, he said, 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:24.160 multiple times, shoot until you can't that you're either down 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.920 or they're in the brush. Yeah. And he said you 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:28.839 go and look and you don't find blood. He goes, 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.960 I just like, you know, we do everything we can do. 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.360 But he said, it's just so when he said do that, no, 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.200 I didn't. I mean I was he was there. He 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.480 was there to be helpful and was helpful and was 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.920 totally cool. So he had no regrets about pumping two 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.960 in him. No, plus things huge. I mean, I think 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.520 if you were out hunting pronghorn or something and and 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:52.799 you can see every which way for a million miles 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.279 and you're hunting an animal that's famous for like not 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.799 taking a hit very well, then I would have not 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.040 done it. But when you got a guy to know 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.840 he's devoted his life to the whole thing, and the 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:15.239 guy says, shoot, I think he probably ought to shoot. Right. 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.440 Do Steve write a journal day to day to narrate 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.160 the show or does he just watch the footage and 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:26.360 write something up after Ni keeps a journal just yanni 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:33.200 ye sometimes uh seth helps, But yeah, during every day, 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:37.600 we sort we keep a log that has just the 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:42.080 major happenings of the day and what time that they happened. 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.200 So that is sort of like a journal, so you 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:45.520 kind of know what went down in the day. And 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:49.520 then if there's something that happens, like an interesting conversation 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.560 or a moment, let's just saying no, guy gets shot. 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.560 You know, you write down that that twelve oh five, 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.239 no guy got shot, and then there was a butt 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.760 drink scene afterwards, and so on and so forth. Um, 0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.720 and also you you take note of conversations and whatnot 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.840 even yeah, for sure, no especially good ones, you know, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.160 and because those are the ones that go really well 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.919 when then we turn those notes into a document called 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.759 producer notes, which we hand off to the editors. And 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.040 it's sort of like a roadmap for the editors because 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.160 they watched the footage. And even though you think as 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.279 much as we roll that they would be able to 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.240 watch the footage and have a great idea of what happened, 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.520 but it's just not that way. I mean, what they see, 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:33.640 as you know, of what actually happened, and so they 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.520 need sort of like a roadmap and an outline to 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.200 understand what went down over the course of a shoot 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.680 is that it has always been or did it evolve 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.160 to become this? No, I was trained to do that. 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.359 In terms of the vo writing when the editor, so 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:52.320 the editor gets it, we usually have a conversation yanio, layout, 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.920 what's up. An editor still has a lot of freedom 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.080 to kind of find what they want to find in there, 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:03.040 but then the editor put in something called scratch v 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.440 O because they sort of need to like create a 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.799 bed for VO that doesn't mess up the pacing. And 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.520 so by the time I write the actual v O, UM, 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.680 you're typically aware of like what kind of chunk of time, 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:22.280 what kind of chunk of time you're filling there and UM, 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:24.600 And then it goes like through a thing called there's 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.600 a we do a process that has a rough cut 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.239 in the fine cut. But I'm usually like when it 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:33.400 comes to actually like writing the stuff, I'm usually filling 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:39.279 in UM, writing over the top of something that the 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:44.640 editor knows ought to be addressed, and that's how that 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:49.319 process goes. I'm actually curious on what you use for 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.440 bags that you keep meeting when you when it's in 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.560 your pack. Also, do you just put your backpack in 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:59.440 the washing machine to get the blood out. I'll take 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.680 the blood out. No, Yani'll take the blood out one 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.080 because he's he's got a whole thing. Okay, I'll take 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.600 the bag one. When we take an animal part in 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:17.239 the field, UM, we use breathable game bags. So when 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:24.680 a quarter, you know, a leg, backstrap, ribs, slab boned 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:30.040 out meat, whatever it generally goes generally speaking, goes directly 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.640 from the carcass to a bag, unless there's a nice 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.000 nless there's no bugs around, and there's a nice place 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:38.920 to hang it while you work. You know, you might 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.160 have a little stop sticking off a tree and you 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:42.759 can hang a quarter on there and let it do 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.120 its thing and drink. Sometimes will make like a almost 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.440 like a trellis, you know, out of some fallen logs 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:51.879 and let it out because it is nice for this 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.640 reason that to let some of the blood either drain 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.680 off of it if it is super bloody, or even 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.399 til the meat just kind of get like that air 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.279 dry crust on it, you know, and before you put 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.960 into the game bag. Yeah, that that's not And if 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:11.120 it's the wintertime, you know, there's usually always a way 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:12.760 to do it. Sometimes you're in a place where everything's 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:16.080 just grubby and sandy, like when we're hunting orcx this 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.080 here in New Mexico, there have been like no, I mean, 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.759 it's just dust and sand and bugs, and it just 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.080 goes into a breathable bag. I used to use the 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.120 type of bag A lot of people use them. I 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:30.440 think they're just inexpensive. It looks like cheese cloth called 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:33.200 Alaska game bags. I think there's various companies that make them. 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.279 But the thing the bottom is that the flies can 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:42.840 lay eggs through the fabric ah and some dirt passes 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.640 through them. But they're inexpensive and they're disposable. But now 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:55.560 um we use them reusable, flyproof breathable bags. You might 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.520 think of it as sort of a very lightweight souped 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.439 up pillow case with a draw string on. It goes 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.680 into those and then I keep in my pack at 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.360 all times. I buy contractor bags by the box, so 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.440 fifty or whatever, and I just keep a contractor bag 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.880 in my bag, and the bottom of the very bottom 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.600 of my backpack is always a contractor bag, which can 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.200 be used for setting stuff on. You can make a 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.040 poncho out of it, whatever. But when I put it 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:26.600 in my pack, I lined my pack with the contractor bag, 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.279 put the game bag in there, and then you don't 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.080 want to leave it in there for you know, days 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.400 on end, but for a couple hour hike or whatever. 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.600 That's what I do, because I just get so sick 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.240 cleaning my damn backpack all the time, So I line 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.520 it with a contractor bag and then I get where 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.080 I'm going, I promptly take the breathable game bag because 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.960 that that's not breathable. Take the breathable game bag back 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.359 out if one does get blooded over the pack, which 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:53.879 is inevitable. Yeah. Well, and there's another system to which 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.960 I use this year packing something some of my bull 0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:00.120 off the hill in Colorado and I ended up is 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:04.239 using the Stone Glacier load cell, which it took me 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.799 a while to understand that that's literally what it's meant for. 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.560 It's it's basically their version of a game bag that 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.879 but it fits perfectly in that on that load shelf right, 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.880 you know we're talking about the actual bag. Yeah, like 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.200 I used to even in the beginning, said load cell, 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.239 I said shelf I got her cell. Yeah, And it 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.960 basically looks like almost like a like a roll top 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.160 drive bags. It's got a roll top on it, but 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.960 it's not meant to be a waterproof bag, doesn't have tape, 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.040 seems um, it's so that if blood is still coming 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:35.319 out of your meat, it's meant to be able to 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.839 leak out and for air to go you know, through 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:42.280 the fabric. But it's like it's just the perfect shape 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.640 that when you pack it full. It's plenty of meat 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:46.760 to carry. It's gonna be heavy. I mean, you're gonna 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.040 have sixty pounds of meat if you fill it to 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.440 the brand, maybe more, but it just fits in that 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.400 load shelf just perfectly. And you can also put the 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.960 contractor bag with the game bag inside of it in 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.200 that load shelf too, but they're The load sell off 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:05.319 itself is coated in like this waterproof fabric, and then 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:10.480 the fabric that's on the the backpacks inside that faces 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.959 your back on the outside is also waterproof. So any 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.040 blood that goes towards the backpack doesn't go through, it 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.480 doesn't get to your gear, it doesn't really soak in. 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.759 Sometimes the edges will get some blood. That happened to 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.080 us in Colorado, and I think as long as you 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.439 get to it, like the day over the next day, 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:29.880 all I did was had like a bowl of soapy, 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.480 warm water, and I found a scrub brush under the 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:36.080 kitchen sink where we were staying, and I put ten 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.480 minutes of elbow grease into it and then hit it 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.680 with the hose and my pack was clean. If it 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.160 was super soaked, I guess you could take it off 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.640 and run it through the through the wash, but I ain't. 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.399 The key is to get it to it quickly. Now 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.759 I have also in the past which works Preace slack is. 0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:53.520 I think what you were talking about earlier is used 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:58.680 hydrogen peroxide to cause the blood to kind of foam 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.719 and bubble up, and then you just basically dumped that 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.000 on their scrub it rints it off, dumps him on there, 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:07.480 scrub it rints it off, and that'll help pull blood 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.520 out of fabric. You know, it's interesting. We when we 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:14.080 were caribou hunting this year, my boy got a one 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:21.080 of those red legged flies in his against his ear drum. 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:25.040 It was making him nauseous. I just flew in there. Yeah, 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:31.719 it was like affecting his balance, making him nauseous. And uh, 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.960 put hydrogen peroxide in their holy ship that thing come 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.520 out of there in a hurry, like bubble him right out. Nice? 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:42.280 Did he? Did your son know what was going on? WHOA? 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.239 He didn't like it one bit. You just haven't have 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:47.520 some peroxide, which we were at we're boning out me 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:53.640 back at the bush pilot strip and a woman there. 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:57.880 It was like I came running in with him and 0:50:57.880 --> 0:50:59.320 I was gonna try to get it out with water, 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.000 and she's like, no hydrop prooxide in there, and one 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.640 drop of that ship in that bug was out of there, 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:10.200 you know, bubbled. That's a hot dislodge them in a hurry. Man. 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:15.839 Was there panic from father and son there or just son? No? 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:17.560 I don't wuldt to say panic. I mean I didn't 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.160 think that we were going to never get it out 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:23.160 of there. I was eager to get it out of 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.720 there before we leave the subjects. Be careful with hydroen 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:29.320 peroxide because I think you can leave it on fabrics 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:33.239 too long. They could actually start to eat away. It's 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:38.040 hard on the stitching at your fabric. Yeah. Um. The 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:39.880 thing I found two is people think they got their 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.799 pack clean and they didn't because you lay it out 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:46.080 in sun and you're packed up smelling inn a minute rains. 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.640 It's like you didn't get that clean and that's a 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:53.479 bad smell. Man. Yeah. No, Stone Glaciers got a there's 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.120 they have a real nice tutorial video. Um, if you 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.759 need to know how to clean it back. Well, I 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.680 notice you guys are only running one clip off your 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:06.439 binys instead of one on each side. Damn straight, what's 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.799 the reason for that? Paul Lewis, thanks for goofy for 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.719 doing that. Oh he does. He's way wrong. Explain to 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:17.560 me better what this listener is referring to do. Okay, 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.239 I use everyone, I everyone I hang out with the like, 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.000 this's the best one out there is there's a In 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.920 the old days, just were your binoculars around your neck, okay, 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.640 And then came the days of the then came, oh, 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.360 we used to do vinyls around your neck. Then you 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:39.200 go to the drug store and get surgical tubing and 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.440 run surgical tubing around your back and clip it into 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.719 the connection point where the vinyl harness where the where 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.440 the next strap is, so that when you're creeping up 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:52.040 on a deer or whatever you're those surgical tubing keeps 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.279 your binyls from bouncing around. A little innovators over there 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.239 at the renella, Well, no, we stild the idea, and 0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:01.400 we would also put a prussick. You'd have that surgical 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.600 tubing tie into a piece of para cord and it 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.640 would be like a little prussick not around that parachoid, 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:11.239 so as you took layers on and off, you could 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:13.520 SnCH up and down. We kind of stole that idea. Somehow, 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:17.960 then came the vinal harness. No you forgetting, you're forgetting 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:24.600 the uh, the elastic banned harness that everybody ran. Pair 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.520 of suspenders, Yeah yeah, what was that company that first 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.560 made those? I had one of those things, but yeah, 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.160 I think it was. I mean everybody made him. Eventually 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:38.719 louip Old would have one Bella's at him. But yeah, 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:42.520 and they were better than just running the neck strap 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:47.000 with the circle tubing. And then came I want to 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:50.040 quick talk about the custom but I got sick of 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:51.680 that back before I had a binal harns. I got 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.520 sick of that feeling on my neck. I took an 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.440 old pair of neoprene waiters and caught a very healthy 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:01.640 chunk of neoprene and made a custom next strap so 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.720 that I had neoprene waiter material. Then I stitched in 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:12.480 my nylon webbing into that, and that was comfortable, very calm. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.759 And then I had the surgical tubing thing. But then 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.239 then came the suspenders, whatever the hell they call those. 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.799 I think a lot of hunters are still stuck on 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.879 that evolution. Oh yeah, there's still these guys that much 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.520 prefer the suspenders. I saw a bunch of dudes this 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.759 weekend where them. Yeah, I think they the one. I 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:34.200 think the thing that they have is that there is 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:38.000 no lead and so they're there. They are more accessible, 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.280 right if you're if you're hot in on a stock, 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:47.560 you know, but as soon as the dust kicks up 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.399 and it starts to rain or snow, man, I can't 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:52.280 see anything through you. But there you go to climb 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.160 over a barbed wire fence and it gets hung up 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.799 because they still flop around. They do flop. But if 0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:58.719 you're out there mixing it up and stuff, just get 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.400 a harness. Yeah, by it's like a little pouch. Is 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.799 a little pouch we've got like I use them. Our 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.120 camera guys like them so much. They started using bino 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:12.000 pouches just to keep their gear in and then they 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.920 started running around even in cities working on other projects. 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.239 Like Mo would be in some restaurant film and no 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.680 Reservations or parts unknown with a binal harness on. What 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:25.360 is camera gear in it? FHF now makes a chest 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.560 rig and the camera guys like those because you can 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.960 fit oh manner garbage and a camera in it. Like 0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.520 when Mo Faulon discovered when he goes I can't believe 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.080 I'm going through my whole life wasting that piece of 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:43.040 real estate on my chest like it hasn't done me 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:47.960 any good. Now it's like my storage area. But if 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:52.799 you have a biny harness and don't uh clip them in, 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:57.640 you'll be like nice Janice was jumping over a creek 0:55:57.680 --> 0:55:59.640 one time and his binos fell out of his binal 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.719 harn us and they weren't clicked in. They weren't, No, 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:07.920 because I was using a less thought out of lower quality, 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.080 was using a magnet kind. No, it had to clip 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.280 in the front. I'm not going to mention the brand, 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:17.840 but there was no tether option at all. I couldn't 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:19.759 even tell if you wanted to know. It was just 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:21.880 a clip in the front. And now was the other thing. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.560 So you had to have that thing clipped. Remember those 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:28.400 things they fell out twice, fell out into a rage 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:32.040 and crick hunting bears and we looked and looked, and 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.319 the best we can tell, they're in the ocean. It 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:40.720 was it was a rag er man. Yeah, feeling around 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:44.880 in the any little pools down below them. I mean, 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:48.600 you could jump this thing almost and we're like palming 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.120 around you feeling around in little pools, and then you 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.160 go to the next pool and feel around and be like, 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:55.680 what's gotta be in the next pool and the next 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.120 pool and feel around. It's just why it was just 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:00.560 wide enough and raging enough that we took our packs 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.759 off and threw them across, and then like you know, 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.960 people would kind of stand on the far side when 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:08.120 you jump to grab your arm and pull you over. 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.200 But it was raged enough that had you just cannonballed 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.479 into it, you would have gone for a ride for sure. 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:23.760 Him had he clipped in clipping one side it hangs. 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:26.640 The way they're clipped in on an FHF system is 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:28.600 coming off the shoulder straps to go up and over 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:33.840 your shoulder into those um into like the adjustment section. 0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:39.160 There's a very thin but strong piece of um I 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.800 don't know, webbing, webbing that's connected to a small clip 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:46.440 and there's one on each side and then the you know, 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:49.000 mail into that. I think it's male on your shoulder 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.480 strap and the female end you attached to the binoculars themselves, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:57.160 and so binoculars have two attachment points. The harness has 0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:00.600 two attachment points and you clip them in. We do 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:06.120 one for a bunch of reasons. One I usually think 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.760 of is that there's often times when you want to 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:13.280 share your binoculars with someone and instead of unclipped in two, 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:17.880 you just unclipped one. Pass them over. But that seems 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.400 like something unique to you, guys. It's how often are 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:22.440 you out with something? The reason that does not by 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:26.080 I'm gonna beat Paul Lewis his ass. So there's two 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.360 a monitor, there's two a monitor. I don't care what 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.320 kind of stuff they taught him in the cops. I'll 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:34.560 take them. There's two amounting because like yeah, and he said, 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.680 people are like, well, they must need too because there's 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.600 two sides of the binoculars. But I always put my 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.040 binoculars on a tripod. My kids always like, give me 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.760 a bonocutors, give me a bocutors. Why go at clip 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.480 clip It's only meant to keep you from losing it. 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.280 But I feel like the sharing of binnaculars is something 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:54.880 that's like sort of unique to when you're with cameramen 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:58.200 that don't have binos, or when you and putting them 0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:01.680 on my tripod, I just don't need to do too. 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:03.960 And when it is hanging there, I kind offer I 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:07.800 like how it hangs. Is is there a preferred side, 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.560 like if you're left handed hand right handed, right hand side. 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.200 I would never do it on the left side. And 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.160 all three of you were like this, I can't. I 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.040 used to be, but I went back to two, you know, 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.040 just because I like it better. I like when they're 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:25.200 hanging a couple of times. You know, if you don't um, 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:29.000 if you don't like button up your harness, you bend over. 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.400 They could they can fall out. And if they're clipped 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.840 on the right side, you know, they fall out and 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:36.080 they just be clipped one and they do like the 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.920 old swing around just when they fall out. Does that 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.640 to you? Yeah, when they fall out, get hurt. When 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.880 they fall out and there's two, they just pops out 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.600 and they're still hanging right there. What's the next question? 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:49.200 I thought that was a silly question, But I mean 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.959 I like that. I don't mind unsnapping the two little 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.200 clips and put them on my tripod. I go so 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.760 far as to get rid of the other clip. I 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:00.800 take it off the bno and I thread it out 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:02.919 of the harness and put it in a place where 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:04.640 I put all of them. Yeah, I have a nice 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:10.040 drawer left cabinet all those things are sitting there. I 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:11.760 had a little collection. I don't know, I should just 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:15.800 take them back to f HF set when you were 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:20.600 hunting in Wyoming? What hat was Janice wearing? I believe 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.000 they must be talking about my stormy chromer. It's a 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:28.640 good story about this stormy chromer. There is the game world. Yeah, 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:32.160 well that was the one prior to that. But yeah, 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:36.440 it's a stormy chromer. It's a I don't know something. Yeah, 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:38.440 it's a Michigan hat. You see a lot of ranchers 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.720 wearing a lot of the ranches where like the more 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.560 like wooly version, which has like much deeper ear flaps 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:46.080 that come all the way down. It kind of covers 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:49.200 the nape of your neck. But yeah, I like it. 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:53.400 It's made out of wool, it's uh warm, it's gotta 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:55.160 like it's got a short brim, so I don't really 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.560 get getting the way when I'm wanting to shoot my man. 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:01.480 You really like that hat? Yeah, I've had a couple, 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:04.240 but the first one I had one time, I was 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:07.640 I think I saw the game one pulled over, so 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:09.760 I pulled in behind him just the chat. See if 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:12.840 I could work out some you know, game location info 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:17.480 out of him, and he, uh, I must have. I 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.720 was wearing the hat and he said, you know that 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:23.280 next season you might want to get a new chromer 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:28.560 because that one ain't quite a Hunter's Orange anymore. Um, 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:30.640 but I mean it was five six years old, you know, 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.120 and I think just being a dyed wool fabric, you know, 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:36.280 it's Colorado's son. Beats it up and I'll point out 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:38.880 that I don't let it just ride around on my dashboard. 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:41.600 I looked it up and they are out of Michigan 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:46.040 and their tagline is the original winter Cap. Don't about that. 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:52.080 Beaver was the original winter cap? Alright. Someone says, I 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:55.800 need to know what the detachable tripod gun mount was 1:01:56.240 --> 1:02:02.520 on the Wyoming Hunt Spartan. That's good bipod mount, very 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:05.120 good bipod mountain. What how it works? Is that you 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:10.960 in the old days, you'd get uh, the count the 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:15.200 springs on them. Yeah, you want to mention the company's name. 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.880 They make a great product. Harris Harris. I used to 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.160 have those. Man, you get into it like an alder 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:27.320 choked hell hole. Though those springs they are prone to 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:30.240 some snagging. They're not good for thick brush anyways, and 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.760 they're very stable though, and you'd like but stay. You 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.040 put it on here and it's on there. The bipod 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:37.880 for the most part, you know, you don't like take 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:41.080 it out and off throughout the day. But the spartan 1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:44.560 bipod is like a very nice, good bipod. And what 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:46.440 you do is you put like this attachment on the 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.320 forearm and your firearm, and then you replace your front 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.320 swivel study. Yeah. So the thing you use, like that 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:54.920 little screw stud that you use to put your sling on, 1:02:55.440 --> 1:03:01.040 you take that out screw in the attachment point for 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:04.120 the bipod, and then that plate, that attachment plate has 1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:07.920 another hole that you that accommodate your sling. Then you 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.479 carry in your pocket and a holster in your pack 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:14.640 or whatever. The bipod prongs and it's a magnetic fitting. 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:23.520 It's very satisfying. No, it cas like like a imagine 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:27.480 like a suction with flip at the end, not like that, 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:34.360 not like it's like that's it. That's it almost too moist. 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:39.400 Does he go with you on every hunt? Yeah? Well no, 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:44.280 something just depends anything dry, open anything, any kind of 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:46.560 open country stuff. Yeah, but I mean, if I was 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:48.800 sitting you know, out of hunting in a deer blind. 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:52.800 I don't imagine I would. Yeah, if I think there's 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:55.760 gonna be shots over two yards, then I will definitely 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:57.480 have it with me. They make a thing where you 1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:01.760 can put it on a tripod too, so you know, 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:05.000 you can be standing. You don't always have to be prone. 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:07.480 You can clip it into a tripod and be standing 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.320 or whatever. It's a very nice product. Oh and you 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.720 can do that with any tripod head like they just 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.880 have like a quarter twenty attachment that. Yeah, it's I 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:18.720 think it's called the dev Ross head or something. It's 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.480 made for going on tripods and they make their own tripod. 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:23.920 But you gotta have the whole head. It's just the head, 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:27.400 it's not it's very simple, small little head that you 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:31.960 can screw onto like Gordy to look into that. Alright, 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.400 Why do you use zip ties instead of electrical tape 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:38.560 to attach your tag to an animal? I have no idea. 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:45.160 I have no idea. I've had great luck with them. 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:49.240 I carry zip ties in my kit until that was 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:52.080 like part of the episode. That's not what happened. It 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:56.919 wasn't a zip TIESE know, it is what happened. Yeah, 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:58.840 Like would have that happened if you had electrically came 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:01.720 here of the details. No, that deer took a tumble 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:07.000 when we were trying to do it. Yeah, kind of 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.680 slid down the hill. I feel like the zip tie failed. 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.000 That's right. The zip type broke off. It was a 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:15.680 real steep slope and instead of like dragging the deer, 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:17.480 the deer kind of was. It was one of those 1:05:17.480 --> 1:05:19.880 situations where instead of dragging deer, the deer is dragging you. 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:27.080 Like once you got it out of its final resting place. Um, 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:31.600 it was just going snow covered, very steep, icy hillside 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:33.680 and I think and I and it slipped out of 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:35.840 my hand. Yeah, and it slid down the hill a 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:39.240 little bit through something in a rock or something busted 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:42.400 the zip tie. And then we looked and looked for 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:47.560 it in the dark and then came back and I 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.280 was gonna, you know, I was gonna kind I was 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:53.439 like figuring out, we're gonna try to contact Fishing Game. 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:57.200 It had been validated, so we're like making a plan 1:05:57.240 --> 1:05:59.200 on how to contact the Fishing Game agency and say 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:01.440 we have an untaked years He's like simply lost the 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:05.240 tag and then went back in the daylight and scoured 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:08.040 around and found the tag. But yeah, no real reason why, 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.680 And that didn't change your mind either, Like you'll still 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:13.400 be carrying zip ties this year. It wasn't until this gentleman, 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:16.320 I'm assuming as a gentleman. There wasn't till this gentleman 1:06:16.320 --> 1:06:18.560 flagged in my head that I realized that I finally 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:20.320 put it together that that might be better to use 1:06:20.320 --> 1:06:24.160 electric tape. Yeah, it's a tough one. I don't carry 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:27.720 both usually in my little kit that you know that 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:30.040 rides in my backpack along with me all the time. 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:32.640 But I I just feel my head right now that 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:36.040 I'd have more uses for the three or four zip 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:38.080 ties that I usually pack in there than I would 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:41.280 if I had a little mini roller electrical tape. I 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:43.680 usually have a little mini roll of duct tape in there, 1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:46.840 which I could use keep it rapped around my cigarette lighters. 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:49.280 Some states tags though, if you put tape on the 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:52.680 would totally destroy them. Yeah, that's kind of the other 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:54.840 thing about this. Yeah, when you go to peel the 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:56.800 tape off, you're gonna screw your thing up, Especially now 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:58.360 that more and more states are going where you print 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:01.360 your tags at home. You're not gonna duct, take that 1:07:01.440 --> 1:07:03.440 on there and take it off again. You gotta put 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:06.919 into a little baggy and then duct and then yeah, 1:07:07.720 --> 1:07:13.080 I have I've used everything from paracord tie it down there, 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:16.000 taped it on their med tape, duct tape, black tape, 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:18.000 zip ties. I don't know. It seems like a lot 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:21.680 of tags actually have two holes that are just the 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:26.840 right size to slip that change zip tie or paracord 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:32.240 punched four zip tie. Um. I usually use a big 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:35.959 pin when I live in Pennsylvania. You put the tag 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:37.800 through the pin and then stick it through the ear 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:41.240 like a safety pin, like a big safety pin. Bucks 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:45.440 and does yeah, yeah, See for us, it's usually not 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:47.880 a problem because if we if we butcher in the field, 1:07:48.560 --> 1:07:50.400 I mean, I usually forgot. That's my reason why I 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:54.600 usually don't attach anything because legally you don't have to 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:58.080 attach it until you're moving the carcass, and so usually 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:01.080 everything's chopped up in quota and we usually find if 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:02.800 you need to have evidence of sex, we find the 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:06.160 bag that has a testy in it and then attached 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:08.760 the tag to it inside the bag. Close the bag. 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:15.840 You know. That's another argument for zip ties is on Antler. 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:20.240 This game I zip tie my tag to the gambrel 1:08:22.720 --> 1:08:28.200 to the Achilles tendon of the animal. I think a 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:30.799 lot of states should take to learn a lesson from Alaska. 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:35.040 Alaska doesn't except for metal locking tags, which you need 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:39.840 non residents need you validate your tag and keep it 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:43.000 on your person. They don't make you go through the 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:45.720 sort of like it seems silly that you need to 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:48.280 fasten it to the thing. Anyways, if it's with the 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:50.240 person who has the thing in their possession, why can't 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:53.920 they just keep it all nice and clean in their pocket. Well, 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:56.200 I think that, Yeah, what we're talking about here in 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.479 five years is probably gonna be pretty archaic because pretty 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:02.720 soon at all be on your phone. Has the crew 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:06.920 ever thought about using drones to scout for deer? We 1:09:07.000 --> 1:09:10.120 talked about all the time, but it's becoming increasingly illegal. 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:12.200 But we do talk about, Like the day we're having 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:16.960 this conversation hunting moose and real thick willows, and I 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:21.320 was like, man, no wonder Alaska made drones illegal because 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:23.200 imagine you can fly drone up and find all the moose. 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:26.320 And our camera guy was like, I think that, Like 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:29.880 the resident just he I think that seems like and 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:32.240 He does a lot of drone work for all all 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:35.080 kinds of reasons, different kind of stuff from like real 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.360 estate stuff to wildlife stuff. But um, he's like the 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:41.000 resolution in the use that he goes. It just doesn't 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:44.679 really work that way. I don't know that. I believe 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:47.519 that it doesn't work that way, because there are cases 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:50.400 of people finding elk and moose and stuff with drones, 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:54.599 but it's it's illegal in twenty some states. Now. He's 1:09:54.640 --> 1:10:00.760 crazy to think that wouldn't work. Imagine antelope on that 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:03.080 countryside and you fly that thing up and do a 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:05.200 three sixty pan. You don't think you'd see the herd 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.519 of twenty out a half mile. I should argue with them. 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:10.000 I guess it all depends some of those like a 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:13.559 lot of those when you're shooting like landscapes with the drone, 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:16.960 A lot of those lenses are real wide, so when 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:20.519 you look straight down, it's just like you don't know 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:23.960 what you're looking at. You know, the animals are if 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:26.080 you're hot, if you're too like, if you're I guess 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:28.479 if you're low enough, you could see them, but at 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:31.439 that point they're going to hear the thing. But the 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:34.320 question was has have was have we ever done it? 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.000 Have you ever thought about doing it? We've definitely talked 1:10:38.040 --> 1:10:42.200 about how it's illegal and if it ought to be, 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:45.519 and how helpful would it be anyway, and in what 1:10:45.600 --> 1:10:51.120 cases have they been abused? So beyond thinking about it, 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:55.080 we've like spent quite a bit of time discussing this subject. 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:59.080 All of the states that the states that banned drones 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:04.439 are the states where drones would actually be helpful open 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:06.719 like places with a lot of open country. And we 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:10.840 we never fly drones on hunt days. Yeah, like when 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:14.680 we're out shooting these shows. All our drone stuff is 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:19.600 like days that we're not going for that reason, just 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:23.559 so there's never any confusion. Yeah, there's no regulations about 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:27.439 flying a drone, like for say in Mexico, but there's 1:11:27.479 --> 1:11:29.559 no way you're gonna find like a couzier with a drone. 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:32.120 I don't care, you're not gonna find one. Do you 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:38.080 ever use tracking dogs to find injured game? I have 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:44.000 not used a dog that is trained and kept for 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:47.080 the sole purpose of finding game in order to find game. 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:51.760 I'm not either, but I think I feel like we're 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:54.360 gonna be seeing more and more of that. And I 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:58.160 actually have a guy offered me one who lives near 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:01.720 where we're hunting in Wisconsin and November and he has 1:12:01.800 --> 1:12:07.120 a drawer, or however you say those fancy dogs from 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:10.680 Germany and uh so, yeah, we have a bad hit, 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:15.400 then we'll try it out. Why didn't you try tracking 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:22.160 your Colorado bull that night? Because the best hope was 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:27.840 that the bull would lay down. And when you get 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:31.240 a hit on something and you don't hear it like 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:38.000 crash down and die or watch it crash down and die, um, 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:42.840 you don't want to pressure it because if it is 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:46.160 injured and runs off aways and it's not being pursued, 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:51.559 your hope is that it lays down and dies. Once 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:54.160 you get a sense that something is not immediately mortally 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:57.599 wounded and you start pursuing it, you will be bumping 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:00.640 it out of its bed. And if you bump it 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:03.599 out of its bed and scare it, it will cover 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:09.120 a distance in minutes that it might otherwise cover in 1:13:09.520 --> 1:13:13.479 many hours, And if it's not bleeding sufficiently to follow 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:17.040 its progress, you will lose it while it's hauling ass 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:20.639 away from you. When if it just lays down and dies, 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.799 you have a good chance a better chance of finding 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:26.640 it because you're at least in the right area and 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:29.640 you haven't sent it off into the next county. So 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:31.720 following it that once you get down and take a 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:35.280 look and he's like, this isn't gonna go. Well, don't 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:39.960 pressure it. Give it time regardless, you shouldn't really pursue 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:44.160 anything for an hour mm hmm. And I wasn't there. 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:48.200 You were there with I don't know two three guys 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:51.920 with you. But um, what you gotta remember too, is 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:56.800 that trail blood trailing, man, it is mentally and physically exhausting. 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:00.479 If you're like really on a hard blood trail, two 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:03.679 or three hours of that, I've seen it, man, people 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.920 just start falling apart because you're just not used to 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:09.640 putting that sort of effort with you. I don't know 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:12.000 if it's your eyes and having to stare like that 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:14.960 and look and the emotions that you're going through. But 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.200 it's a lot of work. And so you know, you 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:20.080 shot him towards the evening and you guys spent I'm 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:23.040 guessing a couple three hours on it and then decided 1:14:23.080 --> 1:14:25.920 to bail. It means a smart move to do, because, 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:27.559 like you're saying, you want to let him rest, but 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:29.880 you get some rests to yourself, and then in the 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:32.759 morning you're nice and fresh, and all of a sudden, 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:34.800 those pin drops that you might have missed at night 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:37.760 under a head lamp. The next morning you can see 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:40.760 him and find them, and you know, we spent a 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:44.200 few hours, but we didn't move a hundred yards. Yeah, 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:46.240 it was because there's and there's also like all these 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:49.240 little indicators you get. There's little indicators you get when 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:52.560 you're on something that's got a bad hit where you 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:57.800 either see things, either reconstruct things and realize that like, 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:02.679 oh no, we're in good shape. It's gonna die, or 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:06.160 you start putting the pieces of the puzzle together and 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:10.400 you start getting a sense that it wasn't immortal um 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:12.840 that is not mortally wounded, or there's a good strong 1:15:12.960 --> 1:15:15.280 likelihood that it's not mortally wounded. And that would go 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:19.479 by kind of like how the blood, how much blood, 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:24.719 the patterns that the blood falls, the coloration of the blood, 1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:28.519 what we might what might be with blood. Does the 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:31.439 blood fall on its own or does it only get 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:35.360 brushed off when it brushes against branches. When it brushes 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:38.240 against branches, how high on the branch or low on 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:42.639 the branch, is the blood, does it look oxygenated, does 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:45.160 it have little chunks of muscle in it? What's the 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:49.679 coloration of the hair where the hit was on the ground, 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:54.600 what what were the sort of mannerisms or the movements 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:57.599 of the animal post hit? And you get a sense 1:15:57.640 --> 1:16:01.320 that like yeah or nay. Mean, sometimes you'll see something 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.639 you know might get hit by a bow and you'll 1:16:03.680 --> 1:16:06.759 start you go, poke your nose in there down the 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:08.920 ten yards down the trail, and it looked like someone 1:16:08.960 --> 1:16:12.719 had two cans of red spray paint going through the woods, 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:17.599 going out each side. And then I'm not too worried 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:20.320 about everybody hanging around for three hours waiting, because you 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:22.000 just know what's gonna be waiting for you. There. You've 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:25.680 got something that's punched through both lungs and every time 1:16:25.720 --> 1:16:29.559 it's heartbeats, it's shooting out of its shooting out alands 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:31.280 of blood out of each side. And then you're like, 1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:35.679 let's go. Someone else wants to know. Aren't you afraid 1:16:35.760 --> 1:16:38.760 that scavengers or insects will damage the carcass when you 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:44.120 leave an animal? Ay like that? Absolutely not. Insects just 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:49.559 rot from heat, just they got all the guts in them. 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:54.760 That stuff generates a ton of heat, generates heat, like 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:56.600 even when they're dead, they got so much that's like 1:16:56.680 --> 1:17:01.640 big guts of launch wet lawn trimmings in their stomachs. 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:05.439 It just creates heat. They rot. The first place they 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.639 rot is around the ball joints on their back hams 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:11.680 and just spreads from there. Yeah. Man, and then and 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:20.759 then not so much bugs right away, but but uh, bears, coyotes. Yeah, 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:23.720 it's all everything, all this stuff. Man, it's hard. It 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:26.720 can't be all like rigid about it. It's like all 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:28.800 this stuff is like, well, there's this, but then there's that. 1:17:29.000 --> 1:17:30.680 Well there's this, but then there's that. There's this, but 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:32.760 then there's that, and then you factor it out and 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:36.320 try to make a call. It's never like I know 1:17:36.400 --> 1:17:41.040 exactly what needs to be done, boys, it's more like that. 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:46.280 That's kind of what it sounds like. Someone writes, I 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:49.920 want to hear you discuss the efficiency and ethics around 1:17:50.160 --> 1:18:01.040 using bows and muzzle loaders. Efficacy is over because you 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:07.479 can't shoot them as far and they're less forgiving. So 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:11.240 but efficacy efficacy is a hard thing to talk about 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:16.760 because there's like I don't know, I guess like a 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:22.200 rocket propelled grenade would have tremendous efficacy. You probably get 1:18:22.280 --> 1:18:27.160 like there's probably like military weapons, I suppose, like very 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:31.280 very high caliber. I don't know, like truck mounted machine 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:35.640 I don't know. There's like ways to get efficacy that 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:45.240 borders over into a UM borders over into an overkill situation, 1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:48.960 or the efficacy is so high that not many people 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:54.920 will be able to have the opportunity to go try hunting. Yeah, 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:57.840 too many people are too good, and if everybody's filling 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.320 their tags, then a lot less people are gonna get 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:03.679 the opportunity to go hunting. Someone could say there's great 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:10.200 efficacy and being able to use UM night vision high 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:13.360 powered rifle. With night vision, you can get up, get close, 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:16.719 they don't know you're there. You get great clean shot placement, 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.880 great efficacy. We should allow people to hunt at night 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:28.519 with night vision because it's better efficacy. UM. You know, 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:32.760 at a point, you have a finite resource, and the 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:36.360 ability to the ability for a bunch of people to 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.360 go hunting relies on the fact that not everybody's gonna 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:41.600 get one. It feels like you just answered this, but 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:45.400 somebody asks, why doesn't Colorado let you use a scope? 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:48.560 On your muzzle loader for that elk season. They're just 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:50.960 trying to I think my guests, they're trying to widen 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:55.440 the gulf. They're trying to widen the gulf between firearm 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:59.080 and muzzle loader. Yeah. I mean they're trying to keep 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:01.919 it a primitive weapon him, which is why muzzleloaders seasons 1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:07.400 were came out in the first place. I believe it's 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:10.600 like they're a little bit better than a bow, but 1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:14.400 they're not a modern firearm. Right. It gives you a 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:22.280 chance to have more seasons more. It's like you're creating opportunity. 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:31.920 Someone else says after your Colorado hunt, are you still 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:35.479 an advocate for muzzleloaders or are you less likely to 1:20:35.520 --> 1:20:44.280 support them? I have absolutely no problem with muzzloaders. Um, 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.960 I have no problem with muzzleloader seasons. I actually appreciate, 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.120 as much as it didn't work out for me, I 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:54.800 appreciate Colorado's efforts to keep muzzleloaders as a sort of 1:20:54.840 --> 1:21:00.240 distinct weapon class. UM muzzleloader tech. If you have said, 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:04.280 if it's there's muzzleloader technology out there, you know there's 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:07.200 some very some phenomenal muzzleloaders. Man, there's guys that are 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:15.120 getting three yard accuracy scope muzzleloaders. Ah, so yeah, I applauded. 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:17.559 Pennsylvania has a muzzloader season where it has to be 1:21:17.560 --> 1:21:23.879 a flint lock. It's got to be like the hammer. 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:27.240 There's a piece of flint that strikes a piece of 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:29.639 steel and shoots a little spark into a hole which 1:21:29.680 --> 1:21:34.160 ignites the gunpowder. They go, yeah, I grew up doing that. 1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:37.840 It's fun. Did you ever kill a deer doing it? Yeah? 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:40.040 But are did with musloder one. At one point I 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:43.479 killed more deer the muzzloader than bow and rifle. But 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:48.479 what about with a flint lock. Yeah, I've never even 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:52.680 shot a inline muzzloader until I moved out here. Yeah, 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:56.920 if I was ruler of the United States, all of 1:21:57.160 --> 1:21:59.840 game laws, I would make them all musloader seasons, like 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:04.920 you know, flint log iron sights there. Loose powder. Yeah, 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:07.720 we loose powder, and we'd melt down lead and make 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:12.720 our own balls by loose powder. You know, indulge me 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:16.080 for a minute, there, spencer, So if you went and 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:17.880 looked at it, we really were talking about Daniel Boone. 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:19.760 Daniel Boone hunting what he had a rifle that was 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:22.840 spiral barrel, so it was rifled. He had a rifle 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.800 that was rifled. He would take a powder horn and 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:32.680 pour loose gunpowder gun powder down his barrel. Then you 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.080 would take a patch of cloth and put bear grease 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:41.479 on it and nestle a lead sphere into that greased 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:45.400 piece of fabric and cram that down the barrel. And 1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:49.040 that's your ball, your wadding and your loose gunpowder, and 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:52.040 you can pack that. And then the firing mechanism was 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:53.800 a little piece of flint that would strike a little 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:58.320 piece of metal and shoot a spark into a hole. Well, 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:04.240 he'd prime it. So it's like there's a flash pan. 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:07.120 There's a flash plan with like seven G or five 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.640 G or whatever, like a finer gun powder. Yeah, like 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:13.800 we used I think it was like like or two 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.000 F in the barrel and three F in the pan. 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:19.559 I think you're answer too low, or yeah, maybe three 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:22.280 in the barrel four in the pan or something like that. Yeah, 1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:24.160 So when you hear it was just a flash in 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:27.120 the pan, what you're saying is a flint hits the frizzen, 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:31.719 causes a spark. The spark falls into the pan and 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:34.519 ignites the powder in the pan, which goes through the 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:37.639 touch hole and ignites the powder in the barrel. Lock 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:43.000 go wrong a wrong time, and there's a lot of 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.920 time and a lot of room for flinching. You gotta 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:49.960 hold your bead because it goes like boom yeah, boom 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:55.320 yeah yeah. Uh, I got a question about can I 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:58.040 finish my point real quick? Though? Now what those things 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:00.800 are is now you got like a little cake of 1:24:00.840 --> 1:24:03.960 powder did you just carry around in your pocket or 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:08.719 a pellet even Yeah, So it's like and there's no bear, 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:13.080 there's no greased piece of fabric. You got a conical 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:17.160 shaped bullet. It's like shaped, it's like a bullet. It 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:20.599 rest inside a piece of plastic, which is a sabbath. 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:23.759 And then you can have powder that isn't even powder, 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:30.040 it's like and then you have a primer that is 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:32.920 like a little cap that you carry around and it's 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:34.960 when you touch that trick, you know that's something just 1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:38.640 going off. I mean it's just going off, and you 1:24:38.680 --> 1:24:41.320 put a scope on top. If you go watch our 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:44.760 Maryland SECA episode, you'll see us hunt with these setups. 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.200 You're up there like when I see when I'm getting them, 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:51.400 And that's not the feeling you get with old style muzzleloader, 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:56.120 no at all. Is it a known fact that Moon 1:24:56.800 --> 1:25:02.679 did not measure his powder? I don't you. I don't 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:07.880 think that they measured the powder, And just reading accounts 1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:11.360 of how people did, I think they free poured and eyebald, 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:13.519 I don't think they were measuring there. I'm sure that 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:16.640 at times, maybe during a shooting match or whatever, they 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:19.040 would measure their powder. But you read many accounts of 1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:21.639 just like, I think it's just something you did all 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:23.559 the time your whole life, the same way when you're 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.439 putting salt on something you're cooking. I think they just 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:30.200 open that horn up and knew what they were looking at. 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:33.800 You measured like how many hundred grain charges until you 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.080 just kind of like you could dump it out on 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:37.920 the table and he'd be like, that's a hunter grains, 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:44.720 that's a hunter grains, that's hunder grains in Freeport. Okay. 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:48.360 Someone says, I totally respect the idea of not taking 1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:51.439 a different elk in Colorado, but why did you not 1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:53.840 spend the rest of the trip looking for the one 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:58.840 that you wounded. It's a great question. Uh, needle in 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:04.280 a haystack? Man um, Yeah, that's a great question. I 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:05.679 don't even know what it would it be. I don't 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:08.280 I don't know what it would have what doing, so 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:14.960 what it would have begun to look like? Uh, to 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:18.400 like stay out and try to find Yeah, good question, 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.360 no answer. Yeah, I don't know if you'd be looking 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:24.160 for a dead animal or looking for a live one 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:28.280 that's you know, hold up somewhere with the wound on 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:31.640 its you know, chest or shoulder. But yeah, that's a 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:35.479 good question. I don't know. Someone says, Hello, Latvian Eagles 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:39.479 slash long tang Yanni slash Latvian lover. I would love 1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:42.840 to know more details about the distance and specifics of 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:46.679 the deer drive in Wyoming, because that ship happened quick 1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:49.479 and it looked like a real crack shot. I think 1:26:49.479 --> 1:26:53.880 that was my favorite part of season nine, seeing an 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:56.360 executed deer drive in the back country like that. That 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.599 was that was special. That might be the only one 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:03.200 that ever gets executed ever anywhere. No, I'm sure there's 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:05.880 a listener that has a whole they drive deer out 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:10.800 of all the time, But no, that outfitter Stewart Peterson. 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:14.479 He's been on that hillside on that mountain quite a 1:27:14.520 --> 1:27:19.280 few times. And if you could see the whole mountain. Well, 1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:20.680 I think we did a pretty good job in that 1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:24.040 diagram kind of showing where there was timber and where 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.960 there wasn't. But the diagram is great when it was 1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:28.840 because its chili diagram. First, I was like, this is 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:32.680 oddly specific, and then it goes back to showing like 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:34.800 the hunting. I was like, oh, that's because they made 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:38.280 it very specific totally. Yeah. No, I mean there was 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:42.040 a very and we had glass this strip of timber 1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:45.880 numerous occasions in the prior, you know, five or six 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:49.880 days looking for deer in there, and it did not 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:52.160 look like much and it looked like it was just 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:58.960 a strip of raggedy you know, wind blown I'm guessing 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:01.960 fir trees, you know a lot of that stuff that 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:07.360 they called the shin tangle um shintang, Yeah, because it's 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:09.720 tangles your shins when you walk through it, just like 1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:12.880 grows lokes. It's just gotta be like trying to like 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:16.720 grab onto the rocks because it's just like this these 1:28:16.720 --> 1:28:20.479 strip of timber was just on a basically a giant 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:23.960 screen slide hillside. I mean that went on for you know, 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:27.200 a thousand yards either direction and hundreds of yards up 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:29.439 and down until you either made the ridge or you 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.920 actually dropped down into it like the main timber, which 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.759 would have been you know, below tree or at tree line. 1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:39.559 And uh, he just knew that they hole up in there, 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:43.920 and that morning we had bumped deer that had headed 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:45.720 that way, so you thought it was a pretty good 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:48.360 chance to be deer in there. And again he had 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:52.040 executed his drive prior to doing At that time, he 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.240 told us a couple of stories about other hunters that 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:57.120 had sat where he was sending me and where I 1:28:57.200 --> 1:29:00.000 went to. We had already spent a couple of day 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:03.880 a sitting and looking at deer in the bowl below us, 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:06.400 on a ridge across from us, so I had a 1:29:06.400 --> 1:29:09.880 pretty good familiar familiarity with when he was explained to 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.200 me where to go, with what it looked like and 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:14.600 what I was gonna see there. And I knew what 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:16.599 he was talking about when he was talking about game 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:19.720 shows that wrapped around that hill and where they went, 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:21.960 because again I had been sitting above them for a 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:27.360 couple of days. So it didn't happen much faster. I mean, 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:31.360 there was enough time that the photographer and I walked 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:34.160 to the spot that might have taken five to ten 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:37.200 minutes we set up there. There was enough time for 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:39.519 me to kind of, like I did, I set up 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:41.920 like a long range shooting position. If they kind of 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:44.400 came out low and got farther, I needed a better rest. 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:47.600 And then I had a sort of a shorter range 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.840 shooting position when I used my tripod and I had 1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:52.920 a V attached to the top of it where I 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:55.280 was gonna shoot, you know, a hundred yards or less 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:59.760 or whatever. Um. And I sort of explained that to 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:03.120 the amor a few times, and we were like, all right, 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:05.720 now it's time to wait. We'll see what happens. And 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:10.160 it probably wasn't more than five or ten minutes. And 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:13.000 you remember when a deer is pushed on a drive. 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:18.920 They moved so quick through that country that the pusher 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:22.719 is probably just standing at that deer's bed when you shoot, 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:24.880 even though you might be a thousand yards away from it. 1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:27.880 I mean, that's how fast they moved from that spot 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:30.760 to where where I was. There's a good chance that 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:32.960 Stewart had just gotten into those beds and said, look 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:35.639 at that, there was some deer bedded here, and then 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:39.960 he probably heard me shoot. They left those just like 1:30:40.000 --> 1:30:44.120 we showed the diagram diagram. They left that little strip 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.680 of timber and just wrapped ride around the horn of 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:50.640 that ridge, and uh, didn't drop down, didn't really come up, 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.479 and then came basically right underneath me. And as far 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.559 as the crack shot goes, I saw him coming from 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:59.640 a ways. Um, the photographer that with me is is 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.519 he's a great photographer, but just hasn't done too much 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:06.320 work with us yet. And so it was happening fast. 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:08.479 That deer was coming, and it was in a lot 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:11.320 of a lot of small trees. It's hard for him 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:15.920 to pick up. But um, that deer was walking pretty 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:18.320 slowly by the time he finally got over to me. 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:20.640 And I think I shot him at like sixty or 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:24.439 seventy yards. It was really a pretty easy shot on 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:26.920 your mulee. It sounded like you were sawing through the 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:29.880 brisket if so, have you ever tried sawing right next 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:32.720 to it where the ribs attached. It's all cartilage, and 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:36.200 it's way easier even on ilk w A A A 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:42.920 A A y way easier, so much easier making a 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:47.559 point there was that for me for either one of 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:49.160 you who was so I know the guy I always 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:51.120 talking about Yeah, it's easy to cut over there. But 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:53.479 here's the thing, when you come up with your gutting decision. 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.080 I'm going up the middle anyway. The hair is real 1:31:56.200 --> 1:32:01.040 short along the brisket, and so I out there and 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:02.600 then I cut there with my saw, which is I 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:04.920 don't I don't view it as very hard. And then 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:06.599 you can just kind of open it up and it's 1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:08.800 like opening up center based in the middle, and you 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:12.000 can get in there and cut the esophagus and and 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:15.960 uh tracky and everything and and gut it and you 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:17.559 can't go down to the side. But then the other 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:19.200 thing is when I take the rib slabs off this way, 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:22.640 there's symmetrical, but sure, especially if someone had skinned it 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:24.080 all the way back, I might just go up the 1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:26.920 side like that. Yeah, I guess on a deer, I 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:29.240 don't know. We might shave away that brisk getting throwed 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:32.880 into the grind pile. But I don't know why it 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:35.200 looked hard, because I think zipping through the brisket of 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:38.160 a deer is usually pretty dang easy. I don't it's 1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:41.000 it's enough easy enough. I don't really think about it 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:44.640 being a thing. How did you feel when you were 1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:47.080 looking for your tag and you came back and found 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:49.400 that the guy had cut your deer clean in half? 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:54.920 Did you see it as disrespectful to your kill? Absolutely not. 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.799 These guys we're hunt with some guys Landing and Stuart 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:04.799 Peterson Cricket Sky Outfitters, and these guys are like phenomenal hunters, 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:11.960 very hard workers. But they are like there horsemen, they're 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.719 packers if you like a big part of their jobs, 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.920 they are packers. They know how to move things from 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:21.040 point A to point B. What be at people or materials. 1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:24.599 On horses. He has a way to carry mule deer 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:29.559 where you got a horse with a panier on each side, 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.639 and he knows where to cut it so that that 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:35.400 front half and back half way the same. When you're 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:37.479 loading horses, it might not seem like this would be 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:42.559 like an actual thing. A pound matters. The panniers on 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:47.400 a pack saddle like they're balanced there, they're just they're 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:52.320 setting there balanced. Um, there's some lashing and stuff, primarily 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:54.800 like if they're out of balance, it's not going to ride. 1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:57.600 So he goes up to the third rib whatever the 1:33:57.600 --> 1:34:00.320 hell he is, because the deer off at the knees, 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:02.439 grows up to the third or fourth rib. Whatever cuts 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:04.439 the thing in a half knows how to tilt its 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:07.200 head over to make up the difference, puts it into panier, 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:09.599 and he knows that that mule here is now cutting 1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:13.160 two halves the way the exact same amount. I've never 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:15.400 seen that before, and I thought my eyes were deceiving 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:17.320 me in the episode, I thought someone else had killed 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:20.240 the deer in the like time that they had last 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.240 shown your mule deer. And then when they came back 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:25.040 to it, because there was like two halves of mule 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:27.200 here there. Yeah, we were trying to get I mean 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:30.240 it was I would have liked to have taken part 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:33.600 in that process. But as you saw, like where it 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:36.080 had a snowstorm, it was very late at night. I 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:40.400 was trying to find the deer tag, everything soaked. He 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:43.320 just no. I thought it was genius, but I didn't 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:45.559 know about that trick. You guys weren't familiar with that 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:49.240 cutting them that way, so they weigh the same first 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:51.439 I had seen it. No, then he cocks the head 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:56.360 over the top of the the crossbars there and out 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:59.920 of there. Yeah, if disrespect, if there could somehow be 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:05.920 disrespect in getting something out cleanly, and effectively, Um I don't, 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:08.479 I don't see it. And they leave the hide on 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:10.240 just to protect they like they leave the hide on 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.040 to protect the meat, which is pretty calm with horse 1:35:12.080 --> 1:35:14.840 people because you're not horse people. They're not always trying 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:18.760 to find ways to make everything light, so they're able 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:22.519 to do It's like making everything light and compact and 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:25.800 transportable isn't like their primary focus. Like they know how 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:27.519 to use the horses for what their best at. So 1:35:27.520 --> 1:35:30.000 a lot of horse guys leave hide on stuff because 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:31.639 then you get home, skin the hide off and it's 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:33.600 all clean underneath. They use it like in substitute of 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:36.120 a game bag. Then they oftentimes aren't looking to turn 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:40.120 things into like a thousand bags of stuff. Two is 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:42.960 is fine. Those guys are good dudes, man. They know 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:48.040 what they know their business very well. Someone wants to know, 1:35:48.160 --> 1:35:51.439 can you cook mule deer ribs the same as white 1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:56.760 tail ribs? You sure it wasn't the opposite? Well either way? 1:35:56.800 --> 1:36:04.919 Can you cook them the same way? The same question? Yeah, anything, anything, 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:10.040 any kind of ribs, it doesn't matter. Someone's wondering how 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:13.200 you got the meat home from Wyoming. I'd love to 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:16.679 hear a little more about your post hunt slash post 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:22.559 field dressing logistics. Yeah. Yeah, um, I did the same 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:26.439 thing just recently on my Colorado l count. We've been 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:31.519 flying traveling with empty Yeti Hopper coolers, but we drove 1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:36.120 to Wyoming. Yeah, oh, I forgot. We drove those deer home. 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:39.200 Called him in a lie. You're right, you're right, you 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:41.160 know what that question there was some There was some 1:36:41.240 --> 1:36:43.720 more to that question that Spencer skipped over. That was 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:45.599 asking if we had checked him in on the flight, 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:48.640 because I knew that you didn't fly from my own 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:51.800 but I think this guy wants to know how we 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:56.280 do it. So yeah, like those guys are saying on 1:36:56.400 --> 1:37:01.120 that particular one, they just went home, probably just about 1:37:01.200 --> 1:37:03.880 that way mine was quartered because we packed it off 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:07.400 the mountain. But they probably just went into a cooler anyways, 1:37:07.439 --> 1:37:12.519 for flying or road trips, so for transporting, for transporting, yeah, 1:37:13.479 --> 1:37:16.320 I'm gonna get into the flying because this works pretty slick. 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:20.160 But anyways, Tho's Yetie hoppers, soft sided coolers. We get 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:22.840 the meat cold. If we can freeze it, we freeze it, 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:27.160 but it's usually just like large muscle chunks, not fully processed. 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:29.200 It doesn't look like it's gonna go right into my freezer. 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:31.880 I'm just trying to get it cold. So literally, on 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:35.799 my last hunt, I put the meat, came off the mountain, 1:37:35.880 --> 1:37:39.719 boned out. I took it to a process or cooler, 1:37:39.760 --> 1:37:41.680 and I said, how much its gonna take for me 1:37:41.840 --> 1:37:44.400 just to story here for a while? He said, He 1:37:44.479 --> 1:37:47.040 said X amount whatever it was per day. So it 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:49.680 was in there for three or four days. The day 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:51.960 before we left, I went and picked it up and 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:56.120 just shoved giant chunks and meat into these yetie hoppers 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:58.160 as full as I could get them and zip them shut. 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:00.840 Now they're heavy, they're we're wait, so you have to 1:38:00.840 --> 1:38:02.839 pay for that on the flight home. Now you're forgetting 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:07.320 a couple of steps here you okay, you hadn't gone 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:12.360 into ziplocks Nope. And then you hadn't lined the hopper 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:17.920 with a contractor bag nope. Okay. I had cooled clean, 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:22.120 not bloody, just Mimi stepping in here. It had been 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:25.200 setting on a wire rat getting air circulated around it 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:27.680 like in a nice you know, meat cooler. One thing 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:30.840 that's gonna get you in trouble. Yeah, oh, I learned this. This. 1:38:30.960 --> 1:38:34.120 I don't I hesitate to even tell people this. Some 1:38:34.240 --> 1:38:39.880 of from Alaska Airlines was telling me they can't. They 1:38:39.960 --> 1:38:43.720 won't ditch stuff based on smell. It has to be 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:48.680 an overpowering odor. Okay. I was like, really, She's like, yeah, 1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:50.599 we can't. It's just like if something smells, we can't 1:38:50.760 --> 1:38:52.360 decide to get rid of it. Did you But what 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:59.160 she said, we can do anything dripping blood, it's it's 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:04.240 okay to not handle it. So I I like to 1:39:04.360 --> 1:39:08.720 line the hopper with a good contractor bag, put my 1:39:08.800 --> 1:39:13.160 meat in there, and then zip tie or electric tape 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:17.879 that contractor bag shut. Because I've heard from multiple airline 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:24.519 people that anything dripping bodily fluids definitely is okay to 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:27.559 like find its way to like the dumpster. Yeah, And 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:31.639 like I said, this is a particularly particular instance where 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:35.760 I knew the meat was just extremely I don't want 1:39:35.760 --> 1:39:37.439 to say dried out, but like I said, it's been 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:40.280 laying in a cooler with air going around it with 1:39:40.320 --> 1:39:43.920 a fan for three or four days, Like I just 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:47.760 until you froze it and then thought it out. Then 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:50.800 it would probably have juice or blood or whatever you 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:52.559 want to call that stuff from the cells breaking down 1:39:52.560 --> 1:39:56.920 that it would leak. But um, when yes, if you 1:39:56.960 --> 1:40:00.880 strip the velvet off antlers, let it dry, because she 1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:03.559 said if someone touches that antler and gets that one 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:07.360 in their hands, they don't have to handle it. It's 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:11.479 good tip. But speaking of antlers in the head, this 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:13.839 is gonna be a real conundrum because that same shop, 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:16.280 I'm like, well, sorry they did. They did like the 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:20.800 you know, skull cleaning, like a quick European amount, Like 1:40:20.840 --> 1:40:22.519 how much do that? You know, I'm thinking I'll just 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:24.680 pay for it, no big deal, but they wanted three 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:30.200 or fifty bucks to freedom ount of skull. Yes. I'm like, 1:40:30.240 --> 1:40:32.479 all right, I'll figure something out. You have got to 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.760 be kid, what's the world coming to? It? Seems like 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:40.120 that's going right. So I had I had pretty much 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:42.800 ahead that had been set in the garage for four 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.400 days now, and it was you know what kind of 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:49.280 clean that I had pulled the eyeballs out and pulled 1:40:49.320 --> 1:40:54.280 some meat off of it, brains still in it. Um. 1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:56.519 Actually we had to pull the brains out because it's 1:40:56.880 --> 1:40:58.519 because of c w D. We didn't know if we 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.400 had to. I think we actually checked and didn't have 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:03.720 to for that. There are some places I don't want 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:05.720 to make this confusing, But there are some places where 1:41:05.720 --> 1:41:10.560 you have to be very careful about transporting brain matter, bones, 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:13.840 and different parts of animals across state lines and even 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:15.960 from unit to unit in different states. So if you're 1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:18.040 gonna do that with any kind of meat, read the 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:21.240 REGs closely. Um. So I thought that was gonna be 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:23.519 the case. So we took we pulled the brain out, 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:27.200 but I still had like this kind of semi wasn't 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:30.400 rotten yet, but just a bloody, meaty head and had 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:33.360 some dirt on it. And you can't just walk into 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:37.880 the airport like that. So I took some shop towels, 1:41:37.920 --> 1:41:40.439 like basically a blue paper towel, kind of put it 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:42.720 on there, wrapped a little bit of duct tape on 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:44.120 there to hold that on there. And then I took 1:41:44.160 --> 1:41:47.800 a just a regular old grocery sack like, uh, you know, 1:41:48.000 --> 1:41:49.439 the small one if you just go and get a 1:41:49.520 --> 1:41:51.679 few things from the grocery, wrapped that around the head. 1:41:52.000 --> 1:41:54.679 Then I went balls to the wall with duct tape 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:57.400 and covered the whole head and turned it into like 1:41:57.600 --> 1:41:59.920 a piece of art that just looks like a skull 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:04.720 covered in duct tape. Now that was fine for that 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:08.439 was contained right because you get garden holes or pipe insulation. Now, 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.080 So then I went and got ah, it's perfect because 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:13.080 they sell like I didn't know, eight and like ten 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:16.240 ft chunks of garden holes and you cut about I 1:42:16.240 --> 1:42:18.680 don't know, four or five inches of garden holes and 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:20.920 stick it onto the end of a time and then 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.599 basically just you don't even have to tape the top part, 1:42:23.840 --> 1:42:26.560 the open part above the time, just to keep the 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:29.200 garden holes onto the time. You take that up, and 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:31.200 they want you to do that. So it's not sharp 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:34.720 because if they put a head with times into the 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:38.840 bottom of a um airplane and someone tosses a you know, 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:40.519 a piece of luggage on top of it, could very 1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:42.800 well go right through it, right, So you're protecting other 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:45.759 people's stuff by taping that. Or the plane goes down 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.720 and all of a sudden that antler comes crashing up 1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:53.519 through the floor of the plane. Right, you get a 1:42:53.560 --> 1:42:57.920 time before you burn up. So anyways, yeah, I checked 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:02.000 that and the guy had year old questions. Just like 1:43:02.200 --> 1:43:04.519 put a tag on it and stuck it in and 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:07.320 then I it was interesting they loaded it. There was 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:10.519 the very last piece of gear to go onto the plane. 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:15.880 I say gear luggage she walked it over and handed 1:43:15.880 --> 1:43:17.760 it to the person. Didn't even ride the conveyor belt. 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:21.840 They took care of my antlers very very well. That's great. Yeah, 1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:24.360 it's nice when people are like that, because you're always 1:43:24.400 --> 1:43:26.240 coming in with something like that. Your eyes a little 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.479 bit like what am I? You know what am I 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:30.679 running into flying home? My kids care? But we're coming 1:43:30.640 --> 1:43:35.320 in there like welcome, welcome. Well, their anchorage and Air 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:39.240 Alaska Airlines they're used to that in those fairbanks. Yeah, 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:41.559 you come in there with a polar bear, they're like, well, 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:45.840 please wrap his claws and something. When we flew home 1:43:45.920 --> 1:43:49.840 from Sonora, you guys just carried those bucks on just 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:53.400 a small Yeah. But I've seen I've seen people get 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:57.360 turned away. I've seen people get turned away. I saw 1:43:57.439 --> 1:43:59.639 the other day, speaking of flying with stuff, I saw 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:04.680 there a guy getting a major, major fight. He was 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:06.800 fighting with the t s A guys so bad. He 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:10.760 had speedloaders, so you had a hard case with his 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.160 pistol stuff. He's some kind of competitive shooter, I could 1:44:13.160 --> 1:44:15.760 tell by all of his shirts and the guys he 1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.240 was with. And you're supposed to like when you fly 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.120 with AMO, you supposed to fly with ammo in its 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:25.120 original box or a container made for ammunition. He had 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:27.360 a hard case with his pistol in it. He had 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:32.360 all his ammo loaded into speedloaders and the t s 1:44:32.400 --> 1:44:35.120 A Guy's like no, and he's like, all right, fly 1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:36.720 all over you know the first thing you say to 1:44:36.720 --> 1:44:39.599 anybody's here talking about how much you fly all over place? Right? Alright, 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:42.479 fly with this deer head everwhere I go, never before. 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:44.360 But he lays that on him, and this guy is 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:46.880 like not giving an inch. The dude gets so heated 1:44:46.920 --> 1:44:48.800 and all of a sudden, two cops come and one 1:44:48.880 --> 1:44:53.800 cop comes and stands back like to survey the situation, right, 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:57.800 another cop goes out to engage with the dude. And 1:44:57.920 --> 1:45:01.519 it was the most genius piece of policing I've ever seen, 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:05.519 because you could the cops like wants to to Here's 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:08.000 a guy stand there like a pistol in an airport, right, 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:11.160 are you know, over speedloaders and he's getting heated up. Yeah, 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:14.479 and this guy can shoot good. So the policeman comes 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:17.800 up and the policeman is like, the t s A 1:45:17.880 --> 1:45:20.320 dudes basically his colleague. They both work in the same airport. 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:23.080 So you can see that he can't alienate the t 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:26.200 s A Guy. And he comes up and explains that 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:29.840 in my and in defending the t s A guy, 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:31.559 you can tell he doesn't agree with the t s 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:35.080 A Guy. But he said, we have a job of 1:45:35.120 --> 1:45:38.600 interpreting in a in a situation like this, we interpret 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.519 the situation, we interpret the law, and it's for courts 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:46.479 to figure that out later. But in the moment, we 1:45:46.520 --> 1:45:49.479 need to make a judgment call. This is the judgment 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:52.479 call this man is made. Then the guy is still 1:45:52.479 --> 1:45:56.080 getting heated up. This this police guy takes the guy's 1:45:56.080 --> 1:46:01.360 speedloaders and says, I will get these held for you, 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:04.080 and when you're coming through town again, I'll come and 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:05.640 bring him to you. You let me know. Here's my 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:12.200 business card. Dude, calm right down, didn't fly with his 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:18.640 speed loaders. The cop like soothe everybody out. I even 1:46:18.680 --> 1:46:20.519 gave him like a nice job as he's walking away, 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:23.400 because this dude was getting heated up. Man, and he 1:46:23.439 --> 1:46:27.080 came and just dissolved that ship, like dissolved that ship. 1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:31.519 That's great. Was there they were loaded, you said. He 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:34.040 instead of having his pistol rounds and boxes, he had 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:37.680 him and all these speed loaders and I don't know 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:39.880 why it never occurred. The guy just to like, but 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:41.800 you're screwed in the airport because you can't go take 1:46:41.800 --> 1:46:43.479 all the amber and throw into trash can. They're not 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:46.600 gonna let that fly. But but I'm surprised if he 1:46:46.640 --> 1:46:49.280 had needed those speed loaders, like say, for the competition, 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:51.479 that maybe he was flying too, that he would have 1:46:51.640 --> 1:46:54.120 kept those and just he was going I knew he 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:57.040 was going home. He was headed home. No, it's a 1:46:57.040 --> 1:47:02.400 great bit of policing. Everybody saved face. No one was 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:06.840 like yeah, everyway. Then I saw that same police guy 1:47:06.840 --> 1:47:08.800 again later in the airport. I almost went up said 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:10.479 something to again. I started thinking, you think I was 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:16.920 creepy in the making of all nine seasons? How many 1:47:17.000 --> 1:47:19.600 times has the camera crew scared off an animal you 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:24.120 were hunting? Only once? All the animals all the time, 1:47:24.200 --> 1:47:29.559 What was it once? I'm joking. They spook a lot 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:32.000 of them, but they spot a lot of them. It's real, 1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:35.320 like they spook a lot and spot a lot. Are 1:47:35.360 --> 1:47:39.679 they carrying bn oculars? They get into it, yeah, they 1:47:40.120 --> 1:47:43.840 they we got some camera guys have become like very 1:47:43.960 --> 1:47:49.160 enthusiastic about glassing, and everybody spoots a lot. They we 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:53.599 spook him, we spot them, they hear them. It's just tough. 1:47:54.400 --> 1:47:56.519 It's there's a lot of complications. There's a lot of 1:47:56.520 --> 1:47:57.880 good that comes out of it, you know, a lot 1:47:57.920 --> 1:48:01.519 of eyeballs. Man, Yeah, you worry about missing something comes 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:05.960 close by. What are you doing differently with the cinematography 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:08.559 this season? It has a different feel, but in a 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:14.519 good way. I'll let your Honi handle that one. Uh. 1:48:14.640 --> 1:48:21.360 The answer is nothing. Um. If you felt that way 1:48:21.520 --> 1:48:25.679 and and saw something, you know you can certainly, um 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:28.720 send me an email to the info at meat Eater? 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:31.559 Is it info? Do we have that spencer? You know? 1:48:31.640 --> 1:48:34.120 What do they send emails to? When they sent them 1:48:34.160 --> 1:48:38.200 to general email inbox? I don't know how this all 1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:41.439 get there? Well, how do you get untact? Just hit 1:48:41.520 --> 1:48:45.240 the contact stage on the website. A lot of good 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:47.040 stuff coming. But I can tell you that you know, 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:51.160 just about everybody that we worked with on that season 1:48:51.200 --> 1:48:53.799 has been working with us for quite a few years. 1:48:54.040 --> 1:48:59.400 And um, just through tweaks and and polishing. You know, 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:03.879 it gets better and better, hopefully always changing, always upgrading 1:49:03.920 --> 1:49:05.640 and changing equipment. And then you'd like to think that 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:07.760 people just get better at what they do. Yeah. I 1:49:07.800 --> 1:49:11.200 think people just get better, the editors get better. Everyone's 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:14.360 just growing. There's the thing that happens to is that, um, 1:49:15.200 --> 1:49:18.200 the camera operators that you use a lot. This is 1:49:18.240 --> 1:49:20.160 probably isn't what this person is getting at, but the 1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:23.000 camera operators use a lot start to get a real 1:49:23.120 --> 1:49:27.720 sixth sense. They kind of understand, like they start to 1:49:27.760 --> 1:49:32.160 understand how animals like, they understand how the situations play out, 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:38.800 how the interactions play out. Um, And just to exposure 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:41.360 to it, I think get a sense of of also 1:49:41.479 --> 1:49:45.400 body language that people have, right, and and and and 1:49:45.400 --> 1:49:47.400 and they get like they kind of like meld into 1:49:47.439 --> 1:49:49.519 it in a better way and they sort of know 1:49:50.680 --> 1:49:55.040 you know, uh, for instance, like if the importance of 1:49:55.120 --> 1:49:58.000 kind of like tying in a person and an animal, right, 1:49:58.080 --> 1:50:00.800 So if you're like, oh, there's a year over there, right, 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:04.559 that rather than showing the hunter and showing the deer, 1:50:04.600 --> 1:50:06.200 and showing the hunter and showing the deer, they kind 1:50:06.200 --> 1:50:08.479 of get where they position themselves to get the hunter 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:11.559 and the deer and the same shot, right. And that 1:50:11.640 --> 1:50:14.120 just comes from exposure and seeing these things happen again 1:50:14.160 --> 1:50:17.240 and again, and also from the good relationship between the 1:50:18.520 --> 1:50:21.920 host or talent or guests or whoever, and the shooter 1:50:22.320 --> 1:50:24.080 where they start to really understand. You know, if you 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:27.400 hunt with someone all the time, like a buddy, you 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:29.680 just kind of know what they're thinking and doing. You know, 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:33.679 like you're walking along grouse hunting and you don't say like, okay, 1:50:33.680 --> 1:50:36.920 we'll stay roughly this far apart and you know, and whatever, 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:39.639 you just without talking, you just understand what each other 1:50:39.720 --> 1:50:42.479 is up to. Um, you don't just then wander off 1:50:42.520 --> 1:50:45.720 and leave the guy, you know. Uh So, just through 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:47.960 that proximity, I think a lot comes out of that 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:52.439 um that could lead perhaps to some of what they're talking, 1:50:52.520 --> 1:50:55.200 what they're noticing. And I imagine also just like equipment 1:50:55.240 --> 1:51:00.439 and getting better at your craft kind of scenes, what 1:51:00.479 --> 1:51:03.840 are your meals like and your snacks like before obtaining 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:08.599 fresh meat? It just depends, man. Yeah, if we're hunting 1:51:08.640 --> 1:51:11.840 out of a like a house that we've rented or 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:16.720 staying at someone's place. We were rarely based out of 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:18.920 a hotel, so we usually like to base out a 1:51:18.920 --> 1:51:20.880 place where we can cook our own meals. And in 1:51:20.880 --> 1:51:23.400 that case, I mean, it's not too different than what 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:26.360 you might be having at home for dinner. I mean, 1:51:26.400 --> 1:51:29.840 we usually have spaghetti night and we have taco night. 1:51:30.479 --> 1:51:34.200 You know, it's just pretty broack night. Well, I mean 1:51:34.240 --> 1:51:37.519 it's definitely stuff that that I can and and Seth 1:51:37.600 --> 1:51:41.240 can cook up quickly. Um. You know, after the long 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:43.040 day a hunting, last thing, you wanted to spend a 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:44.880 bunch of time in the kitchen, So stuff that we 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:46.880 can whip up quickly. I was going over just with 1:51:46.960 --> 1:51:52.680 Chester and Molester last night. Yeah he's simple. Yeah, he 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:55.680 tried to go too complicated one time. I know, I 1:51:55.760 --> 1:52:00.360 gotta go simple. People are tired. It's late, yep, and quick. 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:03.320 We often bring we'll bring our own meat. We're talking 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:06.559 about that. Yeah, if you're gonna travel with some empty 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:09.920 yetie hoppers, you might as well pack in a couple 1:52:09.920 --> 1:52:12.120 of rows and stuff. But some trips we do all 1:52:12.200 --> 1:52:15.280 freeze dry like maybe instant oatmeal in the morning. All 1:52:15.400 --> 1:52:18.840 freeze drying for lunch, just like have a thing of mayo, 1:52:19.120 --> 1:52:22.559 have some cheese, have some salami and flatbread, very simple, 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:26.599 bunch of granolas. Now on the Wyoming hunt, we had 1:52:26.640 --> 1:52:30.040 a full on cook Yeah, they were cooking outfit. There 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:32.880 was an outfitted trip, so they did like outfitter meals, Yeah, 1:52:32.920 --> 1:52:37.120 which we weren't gonna do. But then I figured, you know, 1:52:37.600 --> 1:52:40.759 they'll give us more time to uh, you know, focus 1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:44.479 on the hunting, come home again tired. I mean because 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:47.439 full meals, full meals. Yeah, because like that night you 1:52:47.520 --> 1:52:50.280 killed your buck. I mean you were in like four 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:55.120 or five hours after dark. You know that someone like 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:58.040 made all kinds of cool food. Oh yeah, well I 1:52:58.080 --> 1:53:01.639 think we put on during that trip. That's I think 1:53:01.640 --> 1:53:04.280 it's a game changer when someone else is cooking because 1:53:04.280 --> 1:53:06.519 we don't have to worry about it gives us a 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:09.439 lot more time to do other things. What's it like 1:53:09.560 --> 1:53:12.880 to pack out an elk at elevations above ten thousand feet? 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:17.120 And are there noticeable physical differences between elk at lower 1:53:17.160 --> 1:53:24.680 elevations and higher elevations. Man, they don't even have to 1:53:24.680 --> 1:53:27.800 be ten thousand feet. Man, if you come from sea level, uh, 1:53:27.880 --> 1:53:31.479 five thousand feet might be very arduous and a tough 1:53:31.520 --> 1:53:36.519 pack out. I still don't hear people. I can't think 1:53:36.560 --> 1:53:43.960 of a conversation where someone was factoring elevation above just 1:53:44.640 --> 1:53:49.719 distance you know you're talking about, like you might say, Man, 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:52.960 by myself, I don't think it would. I think it 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:56.200 would be irresponsible for me to kill elk more than 1:53:56.240 --> 1:53:59.759 a mile from my truck. I've never heard someone say, um, 1:54:00.040 --> 1:54:04.160 hunting by myself, it would be irresponsible for me to 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:06.519 kill an more than a mile from my truck at 1:54:06.600 --> 1:54:09.400 said elevation, Like, I just don't. It's a real thing 1:54:09.439 --> 1:54:11.120 and it factors in, But I don't know that I 1:54:11.160 --> 1:54:13.880 hear people maybe they should pay attention to that because 1:54:13.880 --> 1:54:17.160 it's a major major issue. It is. But if if 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:22.920 anything at ten thousand feet most places during archery elk season, um, 1:54:23.040 --> 1:54:25.040 and then as you get later it will be even 1:54:25.040 --> 1:54:28.400 more to your advantage. But uh, it's gonna be pretty cool. 1:54:28.840 --> 1:54:31.280 Like above town ten thousand feet, there's not a lot 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:33.680 of days that are actually gonna you take care of 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:35.320 your meat and get it hung on the north side 1:54:35.320 --> 1:54:37.440 of the tree that it couldn't hang there for two 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:39.640 or three days and be just fine, giving you plenty 1:54:39.680 --> 1:54:42.680 of time to do the actual work. In terms of 1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:45.400 the difference of the animals, yeah, I don't know that 1:54:45.960 --> 1:54:49.920 a layman isn't gonna look and no, but there's no 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:55.400 way there's not a difference and there's no way there's 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:59.360 not a difference in fitness between some crazy elk and 1:54:59.440 --> 1:55:02.200 Colorado All living at ten eleven thousand feet and the 1:55:02.280 --> 1:55:04.720 elk living at two thousand feet. There's no way, there's 1:55:04.720 --> 1:55:09.800 not a difference in uh um that the ten thousand 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:13.000 footel is not going to smoke the two thousand foote 1:55:13.000 --> 1:55:15.520 el can raise that ten thousand feet. I mean, how 1:55:16.120 --> 1:55:19.600 how did you know? There's no way it's gonna be 1:55:19.640 --> 1:55:21.360 just like anybody else. Like you live at high elevation, 1:55:21.400 --> 1:55:25.000 you learn how to perform at a high elevation. But 1:55:25.120 --> 1:55:27.120 I don't. You're not. I'm not gonna like dissect one 1:55:27.120 --> 1:55:29.000 and be like, look at this, see he's got a 1:55:31.280 --> 1:55:34.760 Did you learn anything watching Jesse Butcher the Neil guy, 1:55:35.240 --> 1:55:39.680 M yeah, quite a bit um cooking more than butchering. 1:55:39.720 --> 1:55:41.600 But the biggest thing I picked up from him butchering 1:55:41.640 --> 1:55:45.200 that I now do is, uh that clever rubber mallet. Man, 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:48.200 Like I always knew about it, you know, and I've 1:55:48.280 --> 1:55:50.600 seen it, but like to really see someone who's good 1:55:50.640 --> 1:55:54.680 at a rubber mallet and a clever it's nice man. 1:55:55.760 --> 1:55:58.880 I started doing that even in my kitchen. Cleveland rubber mallett. 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:01.920 It's just very ice feeling because a lot of people 1:56:01.960 --> 1:56:06.360 take Cleveland start just wailing away at stuff but when 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:07.960 you put that blade right, you would want it and 1:56:08.000 --> 1:56:09.880 then give it a love tap with a rubber mallet. 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:12.600 It's so precise. Well, I think too, I'm like messed 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:15.200 up a clever too, because when you're whacking bones with 1:56:15.200 --> 1:56:18.400 a clever, that blade cannot withstand that those impacts. He 1:56:18.480 --> 1:56:20.960 end up like really dinging and like putting full on 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:25.080 waves in your blade as Grandpa's old carbon. And it's 1:56:25.080 --> 1:56:27.360 probably not meant to do that. It's meant to be 1:56:27.440 --> 1:56:30.280 used a way Jesse was used that little love tap 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:32.839 with a mallet. Dude, it's like just on a rousing 1:56:32.920 --> 1:56:35.040 deer ribs one even on just a home cutting board. 1:56:35.040 --> 1:56:37.440 I was like, so, I usually hacks on my ribs shorter, 1:56:37.440 --> 1:56:39.360 but I was like, oh, tell and you take that 1:56:39.360 --> 1:56:41.400 Cleveland lay it on and I shot Cleveland at mallet 1:56:41.400 --> 1:56:44.560 and it's just like satisfying. Man's just like so that 1:56:44.560 --> 1:56:46.040 that was one of the biggest things. But mostly I 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:51.600 learned from him um cooking. I mean, he's just like 1:56:51.640 --> 1:56:55.440 a thousand times better of a cook than I am. 1:56:55.480 --> 1:56:58.760 When you're hunting in Wyoming and your guy don't do 1:56:58.760 --> 1:57:01.760 anything on the sabbath, what would have happened if you 1:57:01.800 --> 1:57:04.200 guys still had tags to fill. Oh, they wouldn't have 1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:05.960 cared if we'd gone hunting. We would have been hunting. 1:57:06.040 --> 1:57:08.760 Could have you used the horses? No, No, their horses 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:12.480 rest on Sunday. Oh it's it's everybody. Well, no, they don't. 1:57:12.640 --> 1:57:14.320 If you're with those guys, then you want to go 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:16.480 do something, They're not gonna care. If you said, hey, 1:57:16.480 --> 1:57:17.480 I want to go fish, and they'd be like, oh, 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:19.640 go down. That's why we packed my buck out on 1:57:19.800 --> 1:57:24.560 foot and on our backs. What about the cook I 1:57:24.600 --> 1:57:27.360 can't remember what. I believe that their employees took the 1:57:27.400 --> 1:57:30.680 Sunday off to Yeah, I don't. I don't imagine that that. 1:57:31.120 --> 1:57:35.560 I don't imagine that they would say that we are 1:57:35.560 --> 1:57:37.640 going to take the day off, and we'd prefer that 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:40.560 our horses take the day off. But then an employee 1:57:40.560 --> 1:57:43.400 others would be obligated to work. But then again, she's 1:57:43.440 --> 1:57:47.440 certainly made breakfast and dinner for us that day. Yeah, 1:57:47.480 --> 1:57:50.600 because I think like just eating, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah, 1:57:51.720 --> 1:57:55.000 somewhere I can't remember. Yeah, I can't really remember. Um. 1:57:55.200 --> 1:58:00.760 But no, they're very uh observing of their religion in 1:58:00.840 --> 1:58:03.800 a in a like kind of you know, an admirable, admirable, 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:05.920 respectful way, and it would have been never been that 1:58:07.280 --> 1:58:10.520 we could have done whatever we want. No, and there's 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:13.200 not you know, they're like quite up front about it. 1:58:13.200 --> 1:58:17.280 It was totally cool. I actually appreciated it. On the 1:58:17.320 --> 1:58:20.240 Wyomi hunt. How many horses were with you in camp? 1:58:22.120 --> 1:58:27.920 I don't know, man close to be like one human 1:58:27.920 --> 1:58:31.120 to one horse pack. They had pack animals and we 1:58:31.200 --> 1:58:34.960 got crew. We had a huge string because of all 1:58:35.000 --> 1:58:40.840 the gear and packing in pelican cases and ship. I 1:58:40.880 --> 1:58:43.840 don't think it was twenty, No, probably probably closer to 1:58:43.920 --> 1:58:47.480 fifteen ish. And I had to guess they probably each 1:58:47.520 --> 1:58:52.320 led us string of four or five and then plus 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:56.080 all of us. Yeah, solid fifteen. There's a lot goes 1:58:56.120 --> 1:58:59.760 into that horse business man. My sister in law knows 1:58:59.800 --> 1:59:01.960 a lot about horses, and she knows more about horses 1:59:01.960 --> 1:59:04.120 than she can even begin to tell you, because it 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:07.640 doesn't it's not even things that you know. I mean, 1:59:07.680 --> 1:59:09.160 like the same way when you're talking to people, you're 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:12.720 making all these calculations and observations about their personality and stuff, 1:59:12.720 --> 1:59:15.160 and later you said, like I got you know, you 1:59:15.200 --> 1:59:19.720 can't be like I like him because you know this, this, 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:21.600 this and this. You just don't think about it that way. 1:59:21.920 --> 1:59:23.760 But people that are around horses, man, they look at 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:26.600 a horse and they just see something that I don't see. 1:59:28.120 --> 1:59:31.720 There there's a lot happening under the surface. And to 1:59:31.800 --> 1:59:34.840 keep all those horses moving in the same direction stuff 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:37.880 without getting all worked up and piste off. It's it's 1:59:38.280 --> 1:59:42.440 it's something. They were hard working, dude. They would be 1:59:42.520 --> 1:59:47.000 up well before us and go to bed. Wait, I've 1:59:47.080 --> 1:59:48.720 just taken care of the horses. I mean there's a 1:59:48.760 --> 1:59:51.360 lot of horses take care of. Yeah, you gotta draw 1:59:51.440 --> 1:59:53.680 a license. Is the hunting that area? But I'm telling you, 1:59:53.720 --> 2:00:00.520 man um, I would without hesitation in terms of getting 2:00:00.560 --> 2:00:03.560 your money's worth and having someone work like, I would 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:08.120 out hesitation recommend doing a guided hunt in terms of 2:00:08.160 --> 2:00:10.720 like someone that like wants to hunt hard and is 2:00:10.760 --> 2:00:13.400 willing to put in the time, and those guys are 2:00:15.560 --> 2:00:19.320 hard workers. Last question is probably the most common question 2:00:19.600 --> 2:00:27.560 the media got. When will there be part two? Soon? Early? 2:00:28.560 --> 2:00:42.560 Right soon, soon soon? Thank you, Spencer, good work, Spencer, 2:00:43.320 --> 2:00:47.800 seth thank you absolutely start thanking. I started thanking people 2:00:47.840 --> 2:00:51.320 an awkward way all the time. Thank you, honest, You're welcome, 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:56.160 Thank you, good work. Any thank you Steve, thank you