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Speaker 1: What do you hear? What happened to Brand's boat? No,

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard this. So I'm talking to Danny, my brother,

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Speaker 1: and it's our good buddy Brandt waterfowl biologists. Danny says,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, Brandon Matt Carlson are out hunting and hunting

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Speaker 1: moose in my boat. And he said, you'll know what aid,

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Speaker 1: I said, my boat, And so what happened to Brand's boat?

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Speaker 1: Him and Danny were fishing co hos on the river

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Speaker 1: and he said they're just in the worst possible spot

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Speaker 1: and he said, just ripping current through there and Brands.

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Speaker 1: Danny said, he's glad he was nowhere near the tiller

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Speaker 1: or nowhere near the center console for this, but Brands

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Speaker 1: like rafts around in front of this big overhanging tree

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Speaker 1: and somehow snag something and pulls out. You know that

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Speaker 1: stupid dangerous little safety feature where you pull that ripped

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Speaker 1: I think it's more. I think it's like pepper spray,

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Speaker 1: things than I am, just because if it's not clipped in,

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Speaker 1: can see where the story is. Somehow, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: how he somehow uh pulls that thing out. Burn engine

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Speaker 1: just stops, and Danny says, he turns, and here it

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Speaker 1: comes this tree brands trying to get this little thing

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Speaker 1: He said. It hit like they had a bunch of

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Speaker 1: all their gear, everything they had with them. Danny said

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Speaker 1: he had time to jump clear that boat. Well, he said,

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Speaker 1: for a minute, he said, even as it was it

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Speaker 1: flooding by how you leaned and where he put your weight,

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Speaker 1: But there was no stopping it. Did he climb out

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Speaker 1: onto the tree. He climbed out on the tree, Danny.

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Speaker 1: So the tree is like out of the water and

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Speaker 1: then has a bowl in it and goes under you know,

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Speaker 1: then it's under the water, and then it's out of

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Speaker 1: the water. Dan. Anywhere he hits he's in. He's gets

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Speaker 1: tree and leap the area. But he said, branches hanging

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Speaker 1: on with waiters. He hasn't read the Meat Eater Guide

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Speaker 1: the Wilderness Skills and Survival, because if he had, even

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Speaker 1: though it hasn't been released yet in order now on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: he'd hear a big mouthful about putting your belt on.

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Speaker 1: Danny said, those waiters just ballooning out. Am I right that?

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Speaker 1: He said he had to ditch the waiters to get

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Speaker 1: the boat's gone like gone like under the tree underwater.

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Speaker 1: It's stuck on the tree, still engine pinned. They got

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Speaker 1: If that's a thing you can claim on insurance. I

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Speaker 1: glad they're both safe. We were on that river one time.

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Speaker 1: This is a funny story about that river. We get

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Speaker 1: brother has another river boat. It's got a go devil

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a Briggs and Stratton golf or lawnmower engine. Right.

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Speaker 1: But they're made so that when the boat is pushed over,

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Speaker 1: you can basically, like in the South, they run them

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Speaker 1: And the thing about being air cooled is like anybody's

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Speaker 1: you're as you're holding the tiller, you're doing holding the

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Speaker 1: not only controlling like side yeah, where you're Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: fish and hunt ducks in there, Holy smokes, let me

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Speaker 1: see one of them ducks, right, mm hmm. And we're

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Speaker 1: just like, you know, entertaining. I'm gonna amusing him. After

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Speaker 1: see your licenses ship. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, you

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Speaker 1: think that's cool. Look at this bald eagle shot, you

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Speaker 1: There are state troopers who specialize in like a wildlife division.

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Speaker 1: But their troopers they're kind of they can do whatever

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Speaker 1: The enforcement Arm isn't part of the Fishing Game Agency.

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Speaker 1: It was a trooper. Um. Youth Duck opens for US Saturday.

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Speaker 1: being very low pressure. Yeah. He was telling me about

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Speaker 1: That something would just be like, yeah, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: can't wait. Man, Um, I feel like the ducks aren't

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Speaker 1: I'll they know what hits him on a youth duck opener. No,

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Speaker 1: you don't even see him flying around, right They just

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Speaker 1: like people at the beat a month from now is

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. Yeah, I curious see how that goes. Uh. Finally,

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Speaker 1: no quick thing to touch on. Two things. Some guys

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Speaker 1: sent in a picture. I don't think this. I think

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Speaker 1: it's made the news a little bit. Like this bear

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Speaker 1: running around the collar on and the bear is like

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Speaker 1: famously this bear is famously tame, And apparently it's so

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Speaker 1: and put a trump sticker on his radio collar. Really

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Speaker 1: this these whoever it is, these researchers are now trying

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Speaker 1: basically handling bear bear. Wow, that's crazy. Like he lured

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Speaker 1: He lured it in with some food, put a bumper

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Speaker 1: sticker on its radio collar. Oh ship, there's a five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. Spencer's got the picture right there. That

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Speaker 1: some drinking going on. Is it a crime? Okay, harass

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Speaker 1: and wildlife? Maybe must be to put a bumper sticker

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Speaker 1: the state? Was it North Carolina? Who's offering the reward?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm reading about you get another five

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Speaker 1: five pack of episodes. There's more episodes coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: Um of Meat Or is out on Netflix, available for

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Speaker 1: viewing now. And so every time we launched episodes, if

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Speaker 1: you get like a bunch of questions, and oftentimes you

425
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Speaker 1: get a bunch of the same questions like people watching

426
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Speaker 1: and certain things percolate through the collective brain and then

427
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Speaker 1: we this this time around, me went and solicited those questions,

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Speaker 1: and then we commissioned uh Spencer here to come in

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Speaker 1: and ask those questions and to answer the questions. We

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Speaker 1: have people who are very very close who were all

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Speaker 1: present for all production. Seth, you didn't miss any of

432
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: did your south? Nope? Not last year? I was there, Seth.

433
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Do you now that I have my own flashing beam? Um? Oh?

434
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: When I gave Travis Barton the welder, Uh, this is

435
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: the first fleshing beam he's stand he's ever worked on.

436
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: He does a lot of decorative stuff. You gave him

437
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: my stand. He wanted to see your stand to replicate

438
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Speaker 1: it for my flashing beam. What do you think? Uh?

439
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: You know how you're how the tensioner on your adjustable part.

440
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: I told him to turn that into a hand crank

441
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: so he didn't need to get out of Heck's head.

442
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Wrench to do it. That's a good idea. But then

443
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: he thought, what if that bolt has sentimental value? So

444
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: he's producing a whole new t bolt with a T

445
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: grip on it, and you'll still have the sentimental bolt

446
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: on your thing. It's not sentimental at all. Now I'm

447
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: gonna have my own beam, and Seth's gonna mentor me. Yeah,

448
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: what's the origin here? Beam? Did you make it? His

449
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: old man made it? No, my old someone made My

450
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: old man had it made by. I don't remember who.

451
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Speaker 1: Someone actually might have been my buddy, Rusty Fetzer, his

452
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: dad might have done it. I don't remember who welded

453
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Speaker 1: up the stand. I think it was my buddy's dad.

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Speaker 1: You know what. Travis Barton thinks that that he used

455
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Speaker 1: in the construction of that stand. He thinks there's like

456
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Speaker 1: a hex shaped daft. Yeah. He thinks that that's off

457
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: an old chisel might be. Yeah, I don't remember who

458
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: well did it. He also thinks it's very dirty. Oh

459
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: it's covered and fat and blood, yeah, he comments. He

460
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: commented on, well he might catch from that thing. I

461
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: don't clean it. Yeah, okay, so where were we? Oh? Yeah,

462
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: are you like happier intimidated. I'm getting into beaver fleshing,

463
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: while I'm not intimidated yet because I still have to

464
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Speaker 1: teach you how to do it. But it's it's good because, uh,

465
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Speaker 1: you know what, how maybe as we catch thirty or

466
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Speaker 1: that's daunting when he got thirty the freezer. So it's

467
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Speaker 1: nice to know that you could do half of them,

468
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a part of a mentor mentee

469
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Speaker 1: and the sort of trajectory of a mentor mentee relationship. Uh,

470
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: there's sort of like a playbook of how those relationships work.

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Speaker 1: There comes apart in the mentor mentee relationship when the

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Speaker 1: mentee me yeah, actually turns against the mentor. Boy. It's

473
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Speaker 1: just it's just like a thing that happens. And there's

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Speaker 1: that study this, you can study this. Where where are

475
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Speaker 1: we at in that relations I thought you were gonna say,

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Speaker 1: where the mentee gets better and starts teaching the mentor stuff. No,

477
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: he becomes like dismissive of probably like some kind of

478
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: psychology about like they don't like to behold they don't

479
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: like to feel beholden. So then they need to get

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Speaker 1: to a point where they like they have like outshined

481
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: or yeah, there's a part of that. There's a part

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Speaker 1: where we will turn against one another. There's probably flashing

483
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: different areas of the office. Yeah, from like seth perspective,

484
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Seth would be like, I taught him everything he knows,

485
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and now he acts like he came up with it.

486
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, Seith is saying I taught him

487
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: everything he knows, but I didn't teach him everything I know.

488
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: So he's gonna he's gonna hold back now, knowing that

489
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Speaker 1: you're to turn on him. Stead if you go ahead,

490
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna saying, I'll keep some real hot tips

491
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: that I won't share with you. He's gonna teach me

492
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: his like signature stroke, and I'm gonna tell people that

493
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I made up that stree. The only problem is he

494
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Speaker 1: went with you. You went with a different fleshing. Also,

495
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Speaker 1: I went with an assable. Yeah, well I have to

496
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: see how that is. I'm Seth. Seth uses the famous

497
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Speaker 1: um Necker. Yeah, but I've been here. I was reading

498
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: on little comments sections about the Necker ain't all that anymore.

499
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's not. I bought an assable made by

500
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: it's made by like Dexter. Those fell has been in

501
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: the beaver process and business for about a couple hundred years.

502
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Maybe they got something going on. I don't know. A

503
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: question you get up in the morning. I got a

504
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: question for Seth. You get up in This from a listener.

505
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Speaker 1: This is from NIE's brain. You didn't do any heavy

506
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: party and it's just a regular old morning. You get

507
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: yourself a cup of coffee and you got your mindset

508
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: on fleshing of beaver. Used to put on your apron

509
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: and everything's there. I'll point out that this never happens.

510
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: How many never ever happens. What's what's the length of

511
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: time to take you just to knock one out? Very

512
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: much heavily depends on the size. A big beaver takes

513
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: a shipload of time. Like how much time I think

514
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: I did the last time I kept track, I did

515
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: one big beaver per hour on the board. That's like

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Speaker 1: flesh and put on the board. Those guys in Minnesota

517
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Speaker 1: that we're going to hang out, you know those guys

518
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota we're going to hang out with this year?

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Speaker 1: He says, it's uh. I think he says ten ten

520
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: and ten tend to skin, tend to flesh, tend to

521
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Speaker 1: get it on the board. Thirty minutes start to finish.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this adventure. They're just cutting me

523
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Speaker 1: out of It's a dude I met in Uh, what's

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Speaker 1: the hell's that town name? Some towns way up in

525
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: northern Minnesota where guys that trap a lot of beavers.

526
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Speaker 1: But Midge, they got the number one Ducks Unlimited College Chapter.

527
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Way the hell up in Midge. I met those kids

528
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: and they gave me a Duck's Unlimited College Chapter hoodie up. Anyways,

529
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: I met him. He's this guy likes Joe Beaver. It's

530
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Speaker 1: not his name. His name is Mike. Actually, this guy's

531
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Speaker 1: name is Joe Beaver, and I want to go out there.

532
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: One of my problems so with with speed on flashing

533
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: right now is my knife is dull and he won't

534
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: let me sharpen it. Well, I'm afraid, yeah, especially how

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00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: interested do you think people are in this conversation? I

536
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: think fairly interested. Yeah. I don't want to war, especially

537
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: since you like stretches beyond the podcast, right, there's videos

538
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: of you guys fleshing Instagram posts. The problem with yonis questions.

539
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Seth never has waked, woken up and flashed the beaver.

540
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: I've gotten that before he flashes beaver at night if

541
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: you can jolim, if you could jol him. He likes

542
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: to flash a round around five or six o'clock. I

543
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: shoot my rifles in the morning, flushed the beavers in

544
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: the evening. That's how it goes. He kind of gets

545
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: in the mood mid afternoon, late afternoon. Sometimes. I was

546
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna say I was seeing him here in the office

547
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: all times of the day. Well, mostly because I'll get

548
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: the beavers out in the morning, let him fall, and

549
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: then by evening they're ready to flash. That's a good explanation.

550
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: So that's how that works. All right. Let's do a

551
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: season nine question. First question, what was the full conversation

552
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: like between Jesse and j T arguing over keeping that

553
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: tanker redfish? Yehny, we showed it. I think we did

554
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: a really good job of of of showing what it

555
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: was that there wasn't much more to it at U.

556
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: You know. JT is kind of like, yeah, you know,

557
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: usually allowed him go, but if you want to keep it,

558
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: please do. Jesse's like, yeah I do, and JT stuck

559
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: a knife across its gills and now was the end

560
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think that JT Uh, he's torn. JT.

561
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: Van's he's torn like he's in different directions because he's

562
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: a guide, so he wants you to have fun. He No,

563
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: he recognizes that it's a good fishery that's well managed.

564
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: But he's cognizant of not being abusive of that. And

565
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: I think that that he lets far more gold than

566
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: he keeps. He's leery of keeping him, killing him and

567
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: throwing him in the cooper just for the sake of

568
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: doing that. You know. Yeah, it's not something he promotes. Yeah,

569
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: but when it's you know, I think that he he

570
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: gets on board with keeping a fish. Um, if he

571
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: knows that it's going to be treated well, respectfully and

572
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: consumed quickly, then I think it makes him feel better.

573
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: If you said, what I want to do is get

574
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: it and then freeze it and then put in my

575
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: freezer and then wait a year and then throw it

576
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: out because it's freezer burned, I think the Jesse or

577
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: I think the JT would be very, very not cool

578
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: about it. All right, I know it wasn't JT style,

579
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: but did you all consider wade fishing when you did

580
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: the episode in Rockport? That is not not JTS style.

581
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: You're saying it is JT style. He does like to

582
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: do that, and I have done that with him. It

583
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: wasn't warm while we were down there, so that probably

584
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: played into it. But no, he'll get out and chase

585
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: him on foot. If you want to have a hell

586
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: of I don't have you seen that if people have

587
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: seen his show, If you want to have a hell

588
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: of a good day of fishing, go book what's he

589
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: calls outfit. It's like JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas. Yeah,

590
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he has like a name of

591
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: the outfit or it does either JT. Van's Aunt Rockport, Texas,

592
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Red Fish and Sea Trout. I would suggest going when

593
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: he says you ought to go, because I've gone. When

594
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: he says you I've gone, what he says is, you know,

595
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: he guides all the damn time he takes Like I

596
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: think he's like just one month a year or something.

597
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't guide, but he'll kind of tell you like

598
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: we've gone out. When he was when he said, you know,

599
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: we will find fish, but it's not like the best

600
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: time of year. And then he went out when he

601
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: said this is the time to go, and holy cow man, JT.

602
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: Vans and dot com. That's where you can find them

603
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: book trips. Were you there when it was supposed to

604
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: be good? Dude, you have never seen fish like what

605
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: we saw when we were filming that episode. I've never

606
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: seen fish like that. We one time, we weren't even

607
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: really filming anymore. Man. We're like kind of like got

608
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: our most, We put some of it in. We kind

609
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: of got everything we wanted to do done. We're heading

610
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: out one day and like the wind it switched or something,

611
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: and there's like this channel. He guys, this real flat stuff.

612
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: It's just like channels and flats and you know, how

613
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: do you describe it? Very intercoastal, Yeah, intercoastal like estuary

614
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: type water. You know that's uh sandy, you know, shallow

615
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: lots of grass poking up everywhere here and there, and

616
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: just little braids and channels and islands and uh maze

617
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: like I mean, you could get lost in there and

618
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: a in a heartbeat and it opens up into little

619
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: bays and you know, stuff that if you don't know

620
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: how to get out of it, and then then the

621
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: water drops out of the tide. Boy, you could be

622
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: there for the tide cycle. And this dude knows like

623
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: what the fish are doing. Man and heat. We're kind

624
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: of done for day and heading out, and the wind

625
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: had switched and so it's blowing water. I was like

626
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: blowing water into these channels because it feels like to

627
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: find current and the current can come from a variety

628
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: of ways, like tide, wind, whatever. And we get into

629
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: the spot and we pull over, and it was like,

630
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not it was just every cast. I won't it

631
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: was every cast, But to this point I actually had

632
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: more fish than cast. At one point I was at

633
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: eleven fish and ten casts because one of the times

634
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I has had my I took the fish off and

635
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: had my grub in the water and a redfish grabbed it,

636
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: so that put me eleven fish tent casts. I've never

637
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: seen anything like it, man Like, And then you're out

638
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: there with him and you think, you think, like, holy cow,

639
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: this place is full of fish. But I think he's

640
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: probably quite plausible that you go down and round a

641
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: boat and not get ship either. Yeah, but he just knows,

642
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: like what's going on, and this little spot right here

643
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: right now, like or later in the day, this little spot,

644
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: or they're not in this little spot, which must mean

645
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: they're in this little spot, and it gives you the

646
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: illusion that, like any moron could go in there and

647
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: catch a bunch of fish. Right on the next episode,

648
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: when you were chasing Neil guy and the guy told

649
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: you to shoot again, did it go against your beliefs

650
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: and that he thought and that he doubted that you

651
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: had great shot placement the first time? Did you feel

652
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: obligated to shoot again when he told you to No,

653
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: but you're like, you're highly um impressionable in moments like that,

654
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: and and uh so I think that same question pointed

655
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: out like that you were. There's two So we had

656
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: multiple guided trips in this episode. So we were guided

657
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: by JT. Van's aunt. We were guided on that Neil

658
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: guide deal and the Neil Gut deal was were like

659
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of like we we sort of through social connections

660
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: New a Um. Social connections had a connection to to

661
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: a ranch and the ranch does allow some guided hunting

662
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: on there. And the guy that owns the place is like,

663
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: coming out to hunt, I'd prefer that one of our

664
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: guys when out and accompanied you guys. He knows what's up. Um.

665
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: The guy was totally cool. The guy was not like

666
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: obstructionists at all, very knowledgeable and those nil guy are

667
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: famous for not dying when shot. And you have really thick,

668
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: thick brush. It's like you get up high on something.

669
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: It's just like this like eight, I don't know how tall.

670
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Just this very thick brush extends for you know, miles

671
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: and miles and miles. And that guy was saying, you

672
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: hit them wrong and they make it in there. He goes,

673
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: once they get into that brush, I get a sinking feeling.

674
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: They he's like they he reiterated, they don't bleed. Well,

675
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: they have a very thick hide. Um. He just was

676
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: paranoid about losing them. Yeah, I believe you even shot

677
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: the heart. I shot the top of the heart right

678
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: off and there was almost no blood. And this thing, dude,

679
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: it got up and ran like so he so he

680
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: had already set it up that like very very knowledgeable dude.

681
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: He had already set it up like listen, man, these

682
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: things getting the brush and they vanish. Yeah, he said,

683
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: multiple times, shoot until you can't that you're either down

684
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: or they're in the brush. Yeah. And he said you

685
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: go and look and you don't find blood. He goes,

686
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, we do everything we can do.

687
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: But he said, it's just so when he said do that, no,

688
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I was he was there. He

689
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: was there to be helpful and was helpful and was

690
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: totally cool. So he had no regrets about pumping two

691
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: in him. No, plus things huge. I mean, I think

692
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: if you were out hunting pronghorn or something and and

693
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: you can see every which way for a million miles

694
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: and you're hunting an animal that's famous for like not

695
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: taking a hit very well, then I would have not

696
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: done it. But when you got a guy to know

697
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: he's devoted his life to the whole thing, and the

698
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: guy says, shoot, I think he probably ought to shoot. Right.

699
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Do Steve write a journal day to day to narrate

700
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: the show or does he just watch the footage and

701
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: write something up after Ni keeps a journal just yanni

702
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: ye sometimes uh seth helps, But yeah, during every day,

703
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: we sort we keep a log that has just the

704
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: major happenings of the day and what time that they happened.

705
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: So that is sort of like a journal, so you

706
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: kind of know what went down in the day. And

707
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: then if there's something that happens, like an interesting conversation

708
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: or a moment, let's just saying no, guy gets shot.

709
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: You know, you write down that that twelve oh five,

710
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: no guy got shot, and then there was a butt

711
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: drink scene afterwards, and so on and so forth. Um,

712
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: and also you you take note of conversations and whatnot

713
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: even yeah, for sure, no especially good ones, you know,

714
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: and because those are the ones that go really well

715
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: when then we turn those notes into a document called

716
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: producer notes, which we hand off to the editors. And

717
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a roadmap for the editors because

718
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: they watched the footage. And even though you think as

719
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: much as we roll that they would be able to

720
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: watch the footage and have a great idea of what happened,

721
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: but it's just not that way. I mean, what they see,

722
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: as you know, of what actually happened, and so they

723
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: need sort of like a roadmap and an outline to

724
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: understand what went down over the course of a shoot

725
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: is that it has always been or did it evolve

726
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: to become this? No, I was trained to do that.

727
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: In terms of the vo writing when the editor, so

728
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: the editor gets it, we usually have a conversation yanio, layout,

729
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: what's up. An editor still has a lot of freedom

730
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: to kind of find what they want to find in there,

731
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: but then the editor put in something called scratch v

732
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: O because they sort of need to like create a

733
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: bed for VO that doesn't mess up the pacing. And

734
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: so by the time I write the actual v O, UM,

735
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: you're typically aware of like what kind of chunk of time,

736
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: what kind of chunk of time you're filling there and UM,

737
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: And then it goes like through a thing called there's

738
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: a we do a process that has a rough cut

739
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: in the fine cut. But I'm usually like when it

740
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: comes to actually like writing the stuff, I'm usually filling

741
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: in UM, writing over the top of something that the

742
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: editor knows ought to be addressed, and that's how that

743
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: process goes. I'm actually curious on what you use for

744
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: bags that you keep meeting when you when it's in

745
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: your pack. Also, do you just put your backpack in

746
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: the washing machine to get the blood out. I'll take

747
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: the blood out. No, Yani'll take the blood out one

748
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: because he's he's got a whole thing. Okay, I'll take

749
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the bag one. When we take an animal part in

750
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: the field, UM, we use breathable game bags. So when

751
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: a quarter, you know, a leg, backstrap, ribs, slab boned

752
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: out meat, whatever it generally goes generally speaking, goes directly

753
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: from the carcass to a bag, unless there's a nice

754
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: nless there's no bugs around, and there's a nice place

755
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: to hang it while you work. You know, you might

756
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: have a little stop sticking off a tree and you

757
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: can hang a quarter on there and let it do

758
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: its thing and drink. Sometimes will make like a almost

759
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: like a trellis, you know, out of some fallen logs

760
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: and let it out because it is nice for this

761
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: reason that to let some of the blood either drain

762
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: off of it if it is super bloody, or even

763
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: til the meat just kind of get like that air

764
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: dry crust on it, you know, and before you put

765
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: into the game bag. Yeah, that that's not And if

766
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: it's the wintertime, you know, there's usually always a way

767
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: to do it. Sometimes you're in a place where everything's

768
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: just grubby and sandy, like when we're hunting orcx this

769
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: here in New Mexico, there have been like no, I mean,

770
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: it's just dust and sand and bugs, and it just

771
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: goes into a breathable bag. I used to use the

772
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: type of bag A lot of people use them. I

773
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: think they're just inexpensive. It looks like cheese cloth called

774
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: Alaska game bags. I think there's various companies that make them.

775
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: But the thing the bottom is that the flies can

776
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: lay eggs through the fabric ah and some dirt passes

777
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: through them. But they're inexpensive and they're disposable. But now

778
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: um we use them reusable, flyproof breathable bags. You might

779
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: think of it as sort of a very lightweight souped

780
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: up pillow case with a draw string on. It goes

781
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: into those and then I keep in my pack at

782
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: all times. I buy contractor bags by the box, so

783
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: fifty or whatever, and I just keep a contractor bag

784
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: in my bag, and the bottom of the very bottom

785
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: of my backpack is always a contractor bag, which can

786
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: be used for setting stuff on. You can make a

787
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: poncho out of it, whatever. But when I put it

788
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: in my pack, I lined my pack with the contractor bag,

789
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: put the game bag in there, and then you don't

790
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: want to leave it in there for you know, days

791
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: on end, but for a couple hour hike or whatever.

792
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: That's what I do, because I just get so sick

793
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: cleaning my damn backpack all the time, So I line

794
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: it with a contractor bag and then I get where

795
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm going, I promptly take the breathable game bag because

796
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: that that's not breathable. Take the breathable game bag back

797
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: out if one does get blooded over the pack, which

798
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: is inevitable. Yeah. Well, and there's another system to which

799
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I use this year packing something some of my bull

800
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: off the hill in Colorado and I ended up is

801
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: using the Stone Glacier load cell, which it took me

802
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: a while to understand that that's literally what it's meant for.

803
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: It's it's basically their version of a game bag that

804
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: but it fits perfectly in that on that load shelf right,

805
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about the actual bag. Yeah, like

806
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I used to even in the beginning, said load cell,

807
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: I said shelf I got her cell. Yeah, And it

808
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: basically looks like almost like a like a roll top

809
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: drive bags. It's got a roll top on it, but

810
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: it's not meant to be a waterproof bag, doesn't have tape,

811
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: seems um, it's so that if blood is still coming

812
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: out of your meat, it's meant to be able to

813
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: leak out and for air to go you know, through

814
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: the fabric. But it's like it's just the perfect shape

815
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: that when you pack it full. It's plenty of meat

816
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: to carry. It's gonna be heavy. I mean, you're gonna

817
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: have sixty pounds of meat if you fill it to

818
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: the brand, maybe more, but it just fits in that

819
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: load shelf just perfectly. And you can also put the

820
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: contractor bag with the game bag inside of it in

821
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: that load shelf too, but they're The load sell off

822
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: itself is coated in like this waterproof fabric, and then

823
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: the fabric that's on the the backpacks inside that faces

824
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 1: your back on the outside is also waterproof. So any

825
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: blood that goes towards the backpack doesn't go through, it

826
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: doesn't get to your gear, it doesn't really soak in.

827
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes the edges will get some blood. That happened to

828
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: us in Colorado, and I think as long as you

829
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: get to it, like the day over the next day,

830
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: all I did was had like a bowl of soapy,

831
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: warm water, and I found a scrub brush under the

832
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: kitchen sink where we were staying, and I put ten

833
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: minutes of elbow grease into it and then hit it

834
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: with the hose and my pack was clean. If it

835
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: was super soaked, I guess you could take it off

836
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and run it through the through the wash, but I ain't.

837
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: The key is to get it to it quickly. Now

838
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I have also in the past which works Preace slack is.

839
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: I think what you were talking about earlier is used

840
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: hydrogen peroxide to cause the blood to kind of foam

841
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: and bubble up, and then you just basically dumped that

842
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: on their scrub it rints it off, dumps him on there,

843
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: scrub it rints it off, and that'll help pull blood

844
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: out of fabric. You know, it's interesting. We when we

845
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: were caribou hunting this year, my boy got a one

846
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: of those red legged flies in his against his ear drum.

847
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: It was making him nauseous. I just flew in there. Yeah,

848
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: it was like affecting his balance, making him nauseous. And uh,

849
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: put hydrogen peroxide in their holy ship that thing come

850
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: out of there in a hurry, like bubble him right out. Nice?

851
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: Did he? Did your son know what was going on? WHOA?

852
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: He didn't like it one bit. You just haven't have

853
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: some peroxide, which we were at we're boning out me

854
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: back at the bush pilot strip and a woman there.

855
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: It was like I came running in with him and

856
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to get it out with water,

857
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: and she's like, no hydrop prooxide in there, and one

858
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: drop of that ship in that bug was out of there,

859
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, bubbled. That's a hot dislodge them in a hurry. Man.

860
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: Was there panic from father and son there or just son? No?

861
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't wuldt to say panic. I mean I didn't

862
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: think that we were going to never get it out

863
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: of there. I was eager to get it out of

864
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: there before we leave the subjects. Be careful with hydroen

865
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: peroxide because I think you can leave it on fabrics

866
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: too long. They could actually start to eat away. It's

867
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: hard on the stitching at your fabric. Yeah. Um. The

868
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: thing I found two is people think they got their

869
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: pack clean and they didn't because you lay it out

870
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: in sun and you're packed up smelling inn a minute rains.

871
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like you didn't get that clean and that's a

872
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: bad smell. Man. Yeah. No, Stone Glaciers got a there's

873
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: they have a real nice tutorial video. Um, if you

874
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: need to know how to clean it back. Well, I

875
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: notice you guys are only running one clip off your

876
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: binys instead of one on each side. Damn straight, what's

877
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: the reason for that? Paul Lewis, thanks for goofy for

878
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: doing that. Oh he does. He's way wrong. Explain to

879
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: me better what this listener is referring to do. Okay,

880
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: I use everyone, I everyone I hang out with the like,

881
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: this's the best one out there is there's a In

882
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: the old days, just were your binoculars around your neck, okay,

883
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: And then came the days of the then came, oh,

884
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: we used to do vinyls around your neck. Then you

885
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: go to the drug store and get surgical tubing and

886
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: run surgical tubing around your back and clip it into

887
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: the connection point where the vinyl harness where the where

888
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: the next strap is, so that when you're creeping up

889
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: on a deer or whatever you're those surgical tubing keeps

890
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: your binyls from bouncing around. A little innovators over there

891
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: at the renella, Well, no, we stild the idea, and

892
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: we would also put a prussick. You'd have that surgical

893
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: tubing tie into a piece of para cord and it

894
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: would be like a little prussick not around that parachoid,

895
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: so as you took layers on and off, you could

896
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: SnCH up and down. We kind of stole that idea. Somehow,

897
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: then came the vinal harness. No you forgetting, you're forgetting

898
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: the uh, the elastic banned harness that everybody ran. Pair

899
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: of suspenders, Yeah yeah, what was that company that first

900
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: made those? I had one of those things, but yeah,

901
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it was. I mean everybody made him. Eventually

902
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: louip Old would have one Bella's at him. But yeah,

903
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: and they were better than just running the neck strap

904
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: with the circle tubing. And then came I want to

905
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: quick talk about the custom but I got sick of

906
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: that back before I had a binal harns. I got

907
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: sick of that feeling on my neck. I took an

908
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: old pair of neoprene waiters and caught a very healthy

909
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: chunk of neoprene and made a custom next strap so

910
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: that I had neoprene waiter material. Then I stitched in

911
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: my nylon webbing into that, and that was comfortable, very calm.

912
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: And then I had the surgical tubing thing. But then

913
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: then came the suspenders, whatever the hell they call those.

914
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: I think a lot of hunters are still stuck on

915
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: that evolution. Oh yeah, there's still these guys that much

916
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: prefer the suspenders. I saw a bunch of dudes this

917
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: weekend where them. Yeah, I think they the one. I

918
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: think the thing that they have is that there is

919
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: no lead and so they're there. They are more accessible,

920
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: right if you're if you're hot in on a stock,

921
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, but as soon as the dust kicks up

922
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: and it starts to rain or snow, man, I can't

923
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: see anything through you. But there you go to climb

924
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: over a barbed wire fence and it gets hung up

925
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: because they still flop around. They do flop. But if

926
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: you're out there mixing it up and stuff, just get

927
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: a harness. Yeah, by it's like a little pouch. Is

928
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: a little pouch we've got like I use them. Our

929
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: camera guys like them so much. They started using bino

930
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: pouches just to keep their gear in and then they

931
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: started running around even in cities working on other projects.

932
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: Like Mo would be in some restaurant film and no

933
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: Reservations or parts unknown with a binal harness on. What

934
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: is camera gear in it? FHF now makes a chest

935
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: rig and the camera guys like those because you can

936
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: fit oh manner garbage and a camera in it. Like

937
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: when Mo Faulon discovered when he goes I can't believe

938
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm going through my whole life wasting that piece of

939
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: real estate on my chest like it hasn't done me

940
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: any good. Now it's like my storage area. But if

941
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: you have a biny harness and don't uh clip them in,

942
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: you'll be like nice Janice was jumping over a creek

943
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: one time and his binos fell out of his binal

944
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: harn us and they weren't clicked in. They weren't, No,

945
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: because I was using a less thought out of lower quality,

946
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: was using a magnet kind. No, it had to clip

947
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: in the front. I'm not going to mention the brand,

948
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: but there was no tether option at all. I couldn't

949
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: even tell if you wanted to know. It was just

950
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: a clip in the front. And now was the other thing.

951
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: So you had to have that thing clipped. Remember those

952
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: things they fell out twice, fell out into a rage

953
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: and crick hunting bears and we looked and looked, and

954
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: the best we can tell, they're in the ocean. It

955
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: was it was a rag er man. Yeah, feeling around

956
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: in the any little pools down below them. I mean,

957
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: you could jump this thing almost and we're like palming

958
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: around you feeling around in little pools, and then you

959
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: go to the next pool and feel around and be like,

960
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: what's gotta be in the next pool and the next

961
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: pool and feel around. It's just why it was just

962
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: wide enough and raging enough that we took our packs

963
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: off and threw them across, and then like you know,

964
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: people would kind of stand on the far side when

965
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: you jump to grab your arm and pull you over.

966
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: But it was raged enough that had you just cannonballed

967
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: into it, you would have gone for a ride for sure.

968
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: Him had he clipped in clipping one side it hangs.

969
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: The way they're clipped in on an FHF system is

970
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: coming off the shoulder straps to go up and over

971
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: your shoulder into those um into like the adjustment section.

972
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: There's a very thin but strong piece of um I

973
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: don't know, webbing, webbing that's connected to a small clip

974
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: and there's one on each side and then the you know,

975
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: mail into that. I think it's male on your shoulder

976
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: strap and the female end you attached to the binoculars themselves,

977
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: and so binoculars have two attachment points. The harness has

978
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: two attachment points and you clip them in. We do

979
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: one for a bunch of reasons. One I usually think

980
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: of is that there's often times when you want to

981
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: share your binoculars with someone and instead of unclipped in two,

982
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: you just unclipped one. Pass them over. But that seems

983
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: like something unique to you, guys. It's how often are

984
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: you out with something? The reason that does not by

985
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat Paul Lewis his ass. So there's two

986
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: a monitor, there's two a monitor. I don't care what

987
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: kind of stuff they taught him in the cops. I'll

988
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: take them. There's two amounting because like yeah, and he said,

989
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: people are like, well, they must need too because there's

990
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: two sides of the binoculars. But I always put my

991
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: binoculars on a tripod. My kids always like, give me

992
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: a bonocutors, give me a bocutors. Why go at clip

993
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: clip It's only meant to keep you from losing it.

994
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: But I feel like the sharing of binnaculars is something

995
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: that's like sort of unique to when you're with cameramen

996
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: that don't have binos, or when you and putting them

997
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: on my tripod, I just don't need to do too.

998
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: And when it is hanging there, I kind offer I

999
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: like how it hangs. Is is there a preferred side,

1000
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: like if you're left handed hand right handed, right hand side.

1001
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: I would never do it on the left side. And

1002
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: all three of you were like this, I can't. I

1003
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: used to be, but I went back to two, you know,

1004
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: just because I like it better. I like when they're

1005
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: hanging a couple of times. You know, if you don't um,

1006
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: if you don't like button up your harness, you bend over.

1007
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: They could they can fall out. And if they're clipped

1008
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: on the right side, you know, they fall out and

1009
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: they just be clipped one and they do like the

1010
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: old swing around just when they fall out. Does that

1011
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah, when they fall out, get hurt. When

1012
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: they fall out and there's two, they just pops out

1013
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: and they're still hanging right there. What's the next question?

1014
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought that was a silly question, But I mean

1015
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't mind unsnapping the two little

1016
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: clips and put them on my tripod. I go so

1017
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: far as to get rid of the other clip. I

1018
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: take it off the bno and I thread it out

1019
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: of the harness and put it in a place where

1020
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: I put all of them. Yeah, I have a nice

1021
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: drawer left cabinet all those things are sitting there. I

1022
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: had a little collection. I don't know, I should just

1023
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: take them back to f HF set when you were

1024
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: hunting in Wyoming? What hat was Janice wearing? I believe

1025
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: they must be talking about my stormy chromer. It's a

1026
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: good story about this stormy chromer. There is the game world. Yeah,

1027
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: well that was the one prior to that. But yeah,

1028
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a stormy chromer. It's a I don't know something. Yeah,

1029
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: it's a Michigan hat. You see a lot of ranchers

1030
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: wearing a lot of the ranches where like the more

1031
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: like wooly version, which has like much deeper ear flaps

1032
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: that come all the way down. It kind of covers

1033
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: the nape of your neck. But yeah, I like it.

1034
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: It's made out of wool, it's uh warm, it's gotta

1035
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: like it's got a short brim, so I don't really

1036
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: get getting the way when I'm wanting to shoot my man.

1037
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: You really like that hat? Yeah, I've had a couple,

1038
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: but the first one I had one time, I was

1039
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: I think I saw the game one pulled over, so

1040
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: I pulled in behind him just the chat. See if

1041
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: I could work out some you know, game location info

1042
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: out of him, and he, uh, I must have. I

1043
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: was wearing the hat and he said, you know that

1044
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: next season you might want to get a new chromer

1045
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: because that one ain't quite a Hunter's Orange anymore. Um,

1046
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: but I mean it was five six years old, you know,

1047
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: and I think just being a dyed wool fabric, you know,

1048
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: it's Colorado's son. Beats it up and I'll point out

1049
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: that I don't let it just ride around on my dashboard.

1050
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: I looked it up and they are out of Michigan

1051
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: and their tagline is the original winter Cap. Don't about that.

1052
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: Beaver was the original winter cap? Alright. Someone says, I

1053
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: need to know what the detachable tripod gun mount was

1054
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: on the Wyoming Hunt Spartan. That's good bipod mount, very

1055
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: good bipod mountain. What how it works? Is that you

1056
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: in the old days, you'd get uh, the count the

1057
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: springs on them. Yeah, you want to mention the company's name.

1058
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: They make a great product. Harris Harris. I used to

1059
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: have those. Man, you get into it like an alder

1060
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: choked hell hole. Though those springs they are prone to

1061
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: some snagging. They're not good for thick brush anyways, and

1062
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: they're very stable though, and you'd like but stay. You

1063
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: put it on here and it's on there. The bipod

1064
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, you don't like take

1065
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: it out and off throughout the day. But the spartan

1066
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: bipod is like a very nice, good bipod. And what

1067
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: you do is you put like this attachment on the

1068
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: forearm and your firearm, and then you replace your front

1069
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: swivel study. Yeah. So the thing you use, like that

1070
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: little screw stud that you use to put your sling on,

1071
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: you take that out screw in the attachment point for

1072
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: the bipod, and then that plate, that attachment plate has

1073
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: another hole that you that accommodate your sling. Then you

1074
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 1: carry in your pocket and a holster in your pack

1075
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. The bipod prongs and it's a magnetic fitting.

1076
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: It's very satisfying. No, it cas like like a imagine

1077
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: like a suction with flip at the end, not like that,

1078
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: not like it's like that's it. That's it almost too moist.

1079
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: Does he go with you on every hunt? Yeah? Well no,

1080
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: something just depends anything dry, open anything, any kind of

1081
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: open country stuff. Yeah, but I mean, if I was

1082
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: sitting you know, out of hunting in a deer blind.

1083
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't imagine I would. Yeah, if I think there's

1084
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna be shots over two yards, then I will definitely

1085
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: have it with me. They make a thing where you

1086
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: can put it on a tripod too, so you know,

1087
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: you can be standing. You don't always have to be prone.

1088
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: You can clip it into a tripod and be standing

1089
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a very nice product. Oh and you

1090
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: can do that with any tripod head like they just

1091
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: have like a quarter twenty attachment that. Yeah, it's I

1092
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: think it's called the dev Ross head or something. It's

1093
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: made for going on tripods and they make their own tripod.

1094
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: But you gotta have the whole head. It's just the head,

1095
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: it's not it's very simple, small little head that you

1096
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: can screw onto like Gordy to look into that. Alright,

1097
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: Why do you use zip ties instead of electrical tape

1098
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: to attach your tag to an animal? I have no idea.

1099
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I've had great luck with them.

1100
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: I carry zip ties in my kit until that was

1101
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: like part of the episode. That's not what happened. It

1102
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: wasn't a zip TIESE know, it is what happened. Yeah,

1103
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: Like would have that happened if you had electrically came

1104
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: here of the details. No, that deer took a tumble

1105
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: when we were trying to do it. Yeah, kind of

1106
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: slid down the hill. I feel like the zip tie failed.

1107
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: That's right. The zip type broke off. It was a

1108
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: real steep slope and instead of like dragging the deer,

1109
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: the deer kind of was. It was one of those

1110
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: situations where instead of dragging deer, the deer is dragging you.

1111
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: Like once you got it out of its final resting place. Um,

1112
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: it was just going snow covered, very steep, icy hillside

1113
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: and I think and I and it slipped out of

1114
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: my hand. Yeah, and it slid down the hill a

1115
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: little bit through something in a rock or something busted

1116
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: the zip tie. And then we looked and looked for

1117
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: it in the dark and then came back and I

1118
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, I was gonna kind I was

1119
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: like figuring out, we're gonna try to contact Fishing Game.

1120
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: It had been validated, so we're like making a plan

1121
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: on how to contact the Fishing Game agency and say

1122
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: we have an untaked years He's like simply lost the

1123
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: tag and then went back in the daylight and scoured

1124
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: around and found the tag. But yeah, no real reason why,

1125
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: And that didn't change your mind either, Like you'll still

1126
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: be carrying zip ties this year. It wasn't until this gentleman,

1127
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm assuming as a gentleman. There wasn't till this gentleman

1128
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: flagged in my head that I realized that I finally

1129
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: put it together that that might be better to use

1130
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: electric tape. Yeah, it's a tough one. I don't carry

1131
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: both usually in my little kit that you know that

1132
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: rides in my backpack along with me all the time.

1133
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: But I I just feel my head right now that

1134
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: I'd have more uses for the three or four zip

1135
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: ties that I usually pack in there than I would

1136
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: if I had a little mini roller electrical tape. I

1137
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: usually have a little mini roll of duct tape in there,

1138
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: which I could use keep it rapped around my cigarette lighters.

1139
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: Some states tags though, if you put tape on the

1140
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: would totally destroy them. Yeah, that's kind of the other

1141
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: thing about this. Yeah, when you go to peel the

1142
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: tape off, you're gonna screw your thing up, Especially now

1143
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: that more and more states are going where you print

1144
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: your tags at home. You're not gonna duct, take that

1145
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: on there and take it off again. You gotta put

1146
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: into a little baggy and then duct and then yeah,

1147
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: I have I've used everything from paracord tie it down there,

1148
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: taped it on their med tape, duct tape, black tape,

1149
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: zip ties. I don't know. It seems like a lot

1150
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: of tags actually have two holes that are just the

1151
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: right size to slip that change zip tie or paracord

1152
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: punched four zip tie. Um. I usually use a big

1153
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: pin when I live in Pennsylvania. You put the tag

1154
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: through the pin and then stick it through the ear

1155
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: like a safety pin, like a big safety pin. Bucks

1156
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: and does yeah, yeah, See for us, it's usually not

1157
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: a problem because if we if we butcher in the field,

1158
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I usually forgot. That's my reason why I

1159
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: usually don't attach anything because legally you don't have to

1160
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: attach it until you're moving the carcass, and so usually

1161
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: everything's chopped up in quota and we usually find if

1162
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: you need to have evidence of sex, we find the

1163
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: bag that has a testy in it and then attached

1164
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: the tag to it inside the bag. Close the bag.

1165
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: You know. That's another argument for zip ties is on Antler.

1166
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: This game I zip tie my tag to the gambrel

1167
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: to the Achilles tendon of the animal. I think a

1168
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 1: lot of states should take to learn a lesson from Alaska.

1169
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: Alaska doesn't except for metal locking tags, which you need

1170
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: non residents need you validate your tag and keep it

1171
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: on your person. They don't make you go through the

1172
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: sort of like it seems silly that you need to

1173
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: fasten it to the thing. Anyways, if it's with the

1174
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: person who has the thing in their possession, why can't

1175
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: they just keep it all nice and clean in their pocket. Well,

1176
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, what we're talking about here in

1177
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: five years is probably gonna be pretty archaic because pretty

1178
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: soon at all be on your phone. Has the crew

1179
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: ever thought about using drones to scout for deer? We

1180
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, but it's becoming increasingly illegal.

1181
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: But we do talk about, Like the day we're having

1182
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: this conversation hunting moose and real thick willows, and I

1183
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: was like, man, no wonder Alaska made drones illegal because

1184
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: imagine you can fly drone up and find all the moose.

1185
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: And our camera guy was like, I think that, Like

1186
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: the resident just he I think that seems like and

1187
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: He does a lot of drone work for all all

1188
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: kinds of reasons, different kind of stuff from like real

1189
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: estate stuff to wildlife stuff. But um, he's like the

1190
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: resolution in the use that he goes. It just doesn't

1191
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: really work that way. I don't know that. I believe

1192
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: that it doesn't work that way, because there are cases

1193
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: of people finding elk and moose and stuff with drones,

1194
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: but it's it's illegal in twenty some states. Now. He's

1195
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: crazy to think that wouldn't work. Imagine antelope on that

1196
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: countryside and you fly that thing up and do a

1197
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: three sixty pan. You don't think you'd see the herd

1198
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: of twenty out a half mile. I should argue with them.

1199
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: I guess it all depends some of those like a

1200
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: lot of those when you're shooting like landscapes with the drone,

1201
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: A lot of those lenses are real wide, so when

1202
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: you look straight down, it's just like you don't know

1203
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. You know, the animals are if

1204
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: you're hot, if you're too like, if you're I guess

1205
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: if you're low enough, you could see them, but at

1206
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: that point they're going to hear the thing. But the

1207
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: question was has have was have we ever done it?

1208
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about doing it? We've definitely talked

1209
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: about how it's illegal and if it ought to be,

1210
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: and how helpful would it be anyway, and in what

1211
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: cases have they been abused? So beyond thinking about it,

1212
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: we've like spent quite a bit of time discussing this subject.

1213
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: All of the states that the states that banned drones

1214
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: are the states where drones would actually be helpful open

1215
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: like places with a lot of open country. And we

1216
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: we never fly drones on hunt days. Yeah, like when

1217
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: we're out shooting these shows. All our drone stuff is

1218
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: like days that we're not going for that reason, just

1219
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: so there's never any confusion. Yeah, there's no regulations about

1220
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: flying a drone, like for say in Mexico, but there's

1221
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: no way you're gonna find like a couzier with a drone.

1222
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't care, you're not gonna find one. Do you

1223
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: ever use tracking dogs to find injured game? I have

1224
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: not used a dog that is trained and kept for

1225
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: the sole purpose of finding game in order to find game.

1226
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm not either, but I think I feel like we're

1227
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna be seeing more and more of that. And I

1228
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: actually have a guy offered me one who lives near

1229
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: where we're hunting in Wisconsin and November and he has

1230
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: a drawer, or however you say those fancy dogs from

1231
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: Germany and uh so, yeah, we have a bad hit,

1232
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: then we'll try it out. Why didn't you try tracking

1233
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: your Colorado bull that night? Because the best hope was

1234
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: that the bull would lay down. And when you get

1235
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: a hit on something and you don't hear it like

1236
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: crash down and die or watch it crash down and die, um,

1237
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to pressure it because if it is

1238
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: injured and runs off aways and it's not being pursued,

1239
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: your hope is that it lays down and dies. Once

1240
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: you get a sense that something is not immediately mortally

1241
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: wounded and you start pursuing it, you will be bumping

1242
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: it out of its bed. And if you bump it

1243
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: out of its bed and scare it, it will cover

1244
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: a distance in minutes that it might otherwise cover in

1245
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: many hours, And if it's not bleeding sufficiently to follow

1246
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: its progress, you will lose it while it's hauling ass

1247
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: away from you. When if it just lays down and dies,

1248
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: you have a good chance a better chance of finding

1249
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: it because you're at least in the right area and

1250
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: you haven't sent it off into the next county. So

1251
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: following it that once you get down and take a

1252
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: look and he's like, this isn't gonna go. Well, don't

1253
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: pressure it. Give it time regardless, you shouldn't really pursue

1254
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: anything for an hour mm hmm. And I wasn't there.

1255
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: You were there with I don't know two three guys

1256
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: with you. But um, what you gotta remember too, is

1257
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: that trail blood trailing, man, it is mentally and physically exhausting.

1258
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: If you're like really on a hard blood trail, two

1259
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: or three hours of that, I've seen it, man, people

1260
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: just start falling apart because you're just not used to

1261
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: putting that sort of effort with you. I don't know

1262
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: if it's your eyes and having to stare like that

1263
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: and look and the emotions that you're going through. But

1264
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. And so you know, you

1265
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: shot him towards the evening and you guys spent I'm

1266
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: guessing a couple three hours on it and then decided

1267
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: to bail. It means a smart move to do, because,

1268
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you want to let him rest, but

1269
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: you get some rests to yourself, and then in the

1270
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: morning you're nice and fresh, and all of a sudden,

1271
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: those pin drops that you might have missed at night

1272
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: under a head lamp. The next morning you can see

1273
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: him and find them, and you know, we spent a

1274
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: few hours, but we didn't move a hundred yards. Yeah,

1275
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: it was because there's and there's also like all these

1276
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: little indicators you get. There's little indicators you get when

1277
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: you're on something that's got a bad hit where you

1278
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: either see things, either reconstruct things and realize that like,

1279
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: oh no, we're in good shape. It's gonna die, or

1280
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: you start putting the pieces of the puzzle together and

1281
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: you start getting a sense that it wasn't immortal um

1282
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: that is not mortally wounded, or there's a good strong

1283
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: likelihood that it's not mortally wounded. And that would go

1284
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: by kind of like how the blood, how much blood,

1285
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 1: the patterns that the blood falls, the coloration of the blood,

1286
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: what we might what might be with blood. Does the

1287
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: blood fall on its own or does it only get

1288
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: brushed off when it brushes against branches. When it brushes

1289
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: against branches, how high on the branch or low on

1290
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: the branch, is the blood, does it look oxygenated, does

1291
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: it have little chunks of muscle in it? What's the

1292
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: coloration of the hair where the hit was on the ground,

1293
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: what what were the sort of mannerisms or the movements

1294
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: of the animal post hit? And you get a sense

1295
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: that like yeah or nay. Mean, sometimes you'll see something

1296
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: you know might get hit by a bow and you'll

1297
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: start you go, poke your nose in there down the

1298
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: ten yards down the trail, and it looked like someone

1299
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: had two cans of red spray paint going through the woods,

1300
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: going out each side. And then I'm not too worried

1301
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: about everybody hanging around for three hours waiting, because you

1302
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: just know what's gonna be waiting for you. There. You've

1303
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: got something that's punched through both lungs and every time

1304
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: it's heartbeats, it's shooting out of its shooting out alands

1305
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: of blood out of each side. And then you're like,

1306
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: let's go. Someone else wants to know. Aren't you afraid

1307
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: that scavengers or insects will damage the carcass when you

1308
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: leave an animal? Ay like that? Absolutely not. Insects just

1309
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: rot from heat, just they got all the guts in them.

1310
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: That stuff generates a ton of heat, generates heat, like

1311
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: even when they're dead, they got so much that's like

1312
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: big guts of launch wet lawn trimmings in their stomachs.

1313
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: It just creates heat. They rot. The first place they

1314
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: rot is around the ball joints on their back hams

1315
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: and just spreads from there. Yeah. Man, and then and

1316
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: then not so much bugs right away, but but uh, bears, coyotes. Yeah,

1317
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: it's all everything, all this stuff. Man, it's hard. It

1318
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: can't be all like rigid about it. It's like all

1319
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: this stuff is like, well, there's this, but then there's that.

1320
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: Well there's this, but then there's that. There's this, but

1321
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: then there's that, and then you factor it out and

1322
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: try to make a call. It's never like I know

1323
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: exactly what needs to be done, boys, it's more like that.

1324
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it sounds like. Someone writes, I

1325
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: want to hear you discuss the efficiency and ethics around

1326
01:17:50,160 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: using bows and muzzle loaders. Efficacy is over because you

1327
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: can't shoot them as far and they're less forgiving. So

1328
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: but efficacy efficacy is a hard thing to talk about

1329
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: because there's like I don't know, I guess like a

1330
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: rocket propelled grenade would have tremendous efficacy. You probably get

1331
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: like there's probably like military weapons, I suppose, like very

1332
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: very high caliber. I don't know, like truck mounted machine

1333
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's like ways to get efficacy that

1334
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: borders over into a UM borders over into an overkill situation,

1335
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: or the efficacy is so high that not many people

1336
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: will be able to have the opportunity to go try hunting. Yeah,

1337
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: too many people are too good, and if everybody's filling

1338
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: their tags, then a lot less people are gonna get

1339
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go hunting. Someone could say there's great

1340
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: efficacy and being able to use UM night vision high

1341
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: powered rifle. With night vision, you can get up, get close,

1342
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: they don't know you're there. You get great clean shot placement,

1343
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: great efficacy. We should allow people to hunt at night

1344
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: with night vision because it's better efficacy. UM. You know,

1345
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: at a point, you have a finite resource, and the

1346
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: ability to the ability for a bunch of people to

1347
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: go hunting relies on the fact that not everybody's gonna

1348
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 1: get one. It feels like you just answered this, but

1349
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: somebody asks, why doesn't Colorado let you use a scope?

1350
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: On your muzzle loader for that elk season. They're just

1351
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: trying to I think my guests, they're trying to widen

1352
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,440
Speaker 1: the gulf. They're trying to widen the gulf between firearm

1353
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: and muzzle loader. Yeah. I mean they're trying to keep

1354
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,919
Speaker 1: it a primitive weapon him, which is why muzzleloaders seasons

1355
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: were came out in the first place. I believe it's

1356
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: like they're a little bit better than a bow, but

1357
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: they're not a modern firearm. Right. It gives you a

1358
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: chance to have more seasons more. It's like you're creating opportunity.

1359
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: Someone else says after your Colorado hunt, are you still

1360
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: an advocate for muzzleloaders or are you less likely to

1361
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: support them? I have absolutely no problem with muzzloaders. Um,

1362
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I have no problem with muzzleloader seasons. I actually appreciate,

1363
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: as much as it didn't work out for me, I

1364
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: appreciate Colorado's efforts to keep muzzleloaders as a sort of

1365
01:20:54,840 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: distinct weapon class. UM muzzleloader tech. If you have said,

1366
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: if it's there's muzzleloader technology out there, you know there's

1367
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: some very some phenomenal muzzleloaders. Man, there's guys that are

1368
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: getting three yard accuracy scope muzzleloaders. Ah, so yeah, I applauded.

1369
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has a muzzloader season where it has to be

1370
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:23,879
Speaker 1: a flint lock. It's got to be like the hammer.

1371
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: There's a piece of flint that strikes a piece of

1372
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: steel and shoots a little spark into a hole which

1373
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: ignites the gunpowder. They go, yeah, I grew up doing that.

1374
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: It's fun. Did you ever kill a deer doing it? Yeah?

1375
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: But are did with musloder one. At one point I

1376
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: killed more deer the muzzloader than bow and rifle. But

1377
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: what about with a flint lock. Yeah, I've never even

1378
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: shot a inline muzzloader until I moved out here. Yeah,

1379
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: if I was ruler of the United States, all of

1380
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: game laws, I would make them all musloader seasons, like

1381
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, flint log iron sights there. Loose powder. Yeah,

1382
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: we loose powder, and we'd melt down lead and make

1383
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: our own balls by loose powder. You know, indulge me

1384
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: for a minute, there, spencer, So if you went and

1385
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: looked at it, we really were talking about Daniel Boone.

1386
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone hunting what he had a rifle that was

1387
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: spiral barrel, so it was rifled. He had a rifle

1388
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: that was rifled. He would take a powder horn and

1389
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: pour loose gunpowder gun powder down his barrel. Then you

1390
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: would take a patch of cloth and put bear grease

1391
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: on it and nestle a lead sphere into that greased

1392
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: piece of fabric and cram that down the barrel. And

1393
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: that's your ball, your wadding and your loose gunpowder, and

1394
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: you can pack that. And then the firing mechanism was

1395
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: a little piece of flint that would strike a little

1396
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: piece of metal and shoot a spark into a hole. Well,

1397
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: he'd prime it. So it's like there's a flash pan.

1398
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: There's a flash plan with like seven G or five

1399
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: G or whatever, like a finer gun powder. Yeah, like

1400
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: we used I think it was like like or two

1401
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: F in the barrel and three F in the pan.

1402
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: I think you're answer too low, or yeah, maybe three

1403
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: in the barrel four in the pan or something like that. Yeah,

1404
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: So when you hear it was just a flash in

1405
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: the pan, what you're saying is a flint hits the frizzen,

1406
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: causes a spark. The spark falls into the pan and

1407
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: ignites the powder in the pan, which goes through the

1408
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: touch hole and ignites the powder in the barrel. Lock

1409
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: go wrong a wrong time, and there's a lot of

1410
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: time and a lot of room for flinching. You gotta

1411
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: hold your bead because it goes like boom yeah, boom

1412
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Uh, I got a question about can I

1413
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: finish my point real quick? Though? Now what those things

1414
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: are is now you got like a little cake of

1415
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: powder did you just carry around in your pocket or

1416
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: a pellet even Yeah, So it's like and there's no bear,

1417
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: there's no greased piece of fabric. You got a conical

1418
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: shaped bullet. It's like shaped, it's like a bullet. It

1419
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: rest inside a piece of plastic, which is a sabbath.

1420
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 1: And then you can have powder that isn't even powder,

1421
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: it's like and then you have a primer that is

1422
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: like a little cap that you carry around and it's

1423
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: when you touch that trick, you know that's something just

1424
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: going off. I mean it's just going off, and you

1425
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: put a scope on top. If you go watch our

1426
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: Maryland SECA episode, you'll see us hunt with these setups.

1427
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: You're up there like when I see when I'm getting them,

1428
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: And that's not the feeling you get with old style muzzleloader,

1429
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: no at all. Is it a known fact that Moon

1430
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 1: did not measure his powder? I don't you. I don't

1431
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: think that they measured the powder, And just reading accounts

1432
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: of how people did, I think they free poured and eyebald,

1433
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: I don't think they were measuring there. I'm sure that

1434
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: at times, maybe during a shooting match or whatever, they

1435
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: would measure their powder. But you read many accounts of

1436
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: just like, I think it's just something you did all

1437
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: the time your whole life, the same way when you're

1438
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: putting salt on something you're cooking. I think they just

1439
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: open that horn up and knew what they were looking at.

1440
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: You measured like how many hundred grain charges until you

1441
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: just kind of like you could dump it out on

1442
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: the table and he'd be like, that's a hunter grains,

1443
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: that's a hunter grains, that's hunder grains in Freeport. Okay.

1444
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: Someone says, I totally respect the idea of not taking

1445
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: a different elk in Colorado, but why did you not

1446
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: spend the rest of the trip looking for the one

1447
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: that you wounded. It's a great question. Uh, needle in

1448
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: a haystack? Man um, Yeah, that's a great question. I

1449
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 1: don't even know what it would it be. I don't

1450
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would have what doing, so

1451
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: what it would have begun to look like? Uh, to

1452
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: like stay out and try to find Yeah, good question,

1453
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: no answer. Yeah, I don't know if you'd be looking

1454
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: for a dead animal or looking for a live one

1455
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: that's you know, hold up somewhere with the wound on

1456
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 1: its you know, chest or shoulder. But yeah, that's a

1457
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. Someone says, Hello, Latvian Eagles

1458
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: slash long tang Yanni slash Latvian lover. I would love

1459
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: to know more details about the distance and specifics of

1460
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: the deer drive in Wyoming, because that ship happened quick

1461
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: and it looked like a real crack shot. I think

1462
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: that was my favorite part of season nine, seeing an

1463
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: executed deer drive in the back country like that. That

1464
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: was that was special. That might be the only one

1465
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: that ever gets executed ever anywhere. No, I'm sure there's

1466
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: a listener that has a whole they drive deer out

1467
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: of all the time, But no, that outfitter Stewart Peterson.

1468
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: He's been on that hillside on that mountain quite a

1469
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: few times. And if you could see the whole mountain. Well,

1470
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: I think we did a pretty good job in that

1471
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: diagram kind of showing where there was timber and where

1472
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: there wasn't. But the diagram is great when it was

1473
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: because its chili diagram. First, I was like, this is

1474
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: oddly specific, and then it goes back to showing like

1475
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: the hunting. I was like, oh, that's because they made

1476
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: it very specific totally. Yeah. No, I mean there was

1477
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: a very and we had glass this strip of timber

1478
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: numerous occasions in the prior, you know, five or six

1479
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: days looking for deer in there, and it did not

1480
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: look like much and it looked like it was just

1481
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: a strip of raggedy you know, wind blown I'm guessing

1482
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: fir trees, you know a lot of that stuff that

1483
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: they called the shin tangle um shintang, Yeah, because it's

1484
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: tangles your shins when you walk through it, just like

1485
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: grows lokes. It's just gotta be like trying to like

1486
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: grab onto the rocks because it's just like this these

1487
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: strip of timber was just on a basically a giant

1488
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: screen slide hillside. I mean that went on for you know,

1489
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: a thousand yards either direction and hundreds of yards up

1490
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: and down until you either made the ridge or you

1491
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: actually dropped down into it like the main timber, which

1492
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: would have been you know, below tree or at tree line.

1493
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: And uh, he just knew that they hole up in there,

1494
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: and that morning we had bumped deer that had headed

1495
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: that way, so you thought it was a pretty good

1496
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: chance to be deer in there. And again he had

1497
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: executed his drive prior to doing At that time, he

1498
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: told us a couple of stories about other hunters that

1499
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: had sat where he was sending me and where I

1500
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: went to. We had already spent a couple of day

1501
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: a sitting and looking at deer in the bowl below us,

1502
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: on a ridge across from us, so I had a

1503
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: pretty good familiar familiarity with when he was explained to

1504
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: me where to go, with what it looked like and

1505
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: what I was gonna see there. And I knew what

1506
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: he was talking about when he was talking about game

1507
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: shows that wrapped around that hill and where they went,

1508
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: because again I had been sitting above them for a

1509
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: couple of days. So it didn't happen much faster. I mean,

1510
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: there was enough time that the photographer and I walked

1511
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: to the spot that might have taken five to ten

1512
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: minutes we set up there. There was enough time for

1513
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: me to kind of, like I did, I set up

1514
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: like a long range shooting position. If they kind of

1515
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: came out low and got farther, I needed a better rest.

1516
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: And then I had a sort of a shorter range

1517
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: shooting position when I used my tripod and I had

1518
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: a V attached to the top of it where I

1519
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: was gonna shoot, you know, a hundred yards or less

1520
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. And I sort of explained that to

1521
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: the amor a few times, and we were like, all right,

1522
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: now it's time to wait. We'll see what happens. And

1523
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't more than five or ten minutes. And

1524
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: you remember when a deer is pushed on a drive.

1525
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: They moved so quick through that country that the pusher

1526
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: is probably just standing at that deer's bed when you shoot,

1527
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: even though you might be a thousand yards away from it.

1528
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how fast they moved from that spot

1529
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: to where where I was. There's a good chance that

1530
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Stewart had just gotten into those beds and said, look

1531
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 1: at that, there was some deer bedded here, and then

1532
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: he probably heard me shoot. They left those just like

1533
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: we showed the diagram diagram. They left that little strip

1534
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: of timber and just wrapped ride around the horn of

1535
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: that ridge, and uh, didn't drop down, didn't really come up,

1536
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: and then came basically right underneath me. And as far

1537
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: as the crack shot goes, I saw him coming from

1538
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: a ways. Um, the photographer that with me is is

1539
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: he's a great photographer, but just hasn't done too much

1540
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: work with us yet. And so it was happening fast.

1541
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: That deer was coming, and it was in a lot

1542
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: of a lot of small trees. It's hard for him

1543
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: to pick up. But um, that deer was walking pretty

1544
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: slowly by the time he finally got over to me.

1545
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: And I think I shot him at like sixty or

1546
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: seventy yards. It was really a pretty easy shot on

1547
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: your mulee. It sounded like you were sawing through the

1548
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: brisket if so, have you ever tried sawing right next

1549
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: to it where the ribs attached. It's all cartilage, and

1550
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: it's way easier even on ilk w A A A

1551
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: A A y way easier, so much easier making a

1552
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: point there was that for me for either one of

1553
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: you who was so I know the guy I always

1554
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, it's easy to cut over there. But

1555
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: here's the thing, when you come up with your gutting decision.

1556
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm going up the middle anyway. The hair is real

1557
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: short along the brisket, and so I out there and

1558
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: then I cut there with my saw, which is I

1559
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: don't I don't view it as very hard. And then

1560
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: you can just kind of open it up and it's

1561
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: like opening up center based in the middle, and you

1562
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: can get in there and cut the esophagus and and

1563
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: uh tracky and everything and and gut it and you

1564
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: can't go down to the side. But then the other

1565
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: thing is when I take the rib slabs off this way,

1566
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: there's symmetrical, but sure, especially if someone had skinned it

1567
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: all the way back, I might just go up the

1568
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: side like that. Yeah, I guess on a deer, I

1569
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: don't know. We might shave away that brisk getting throwed

1570
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: into the grind pile. But I don't know why it

1571
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: looked hard, because I think zipping through the brisket of

1572
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: a deer is usually pretty dang easy. I don't it's

1573
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: it's enough easy enough. I don't really think about it

1574
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: being a thing. How did you feel when you were

1575
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: looking for your tag and you came back and found

1576
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: that the guy had cut your deer clean in half?

1577
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Did you see it as disrespectful to your kill? Absolutely not.

1578
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,799
Speaker 1: These guys we're hunt with some guys Landing and Stuart

1579
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:04,799
Speaker 1: Peterson Cricket Sky Outfitters, and these guys are like phenomenal hunters,

1580
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: very hard workers. But they are like there horsemen, they're

1581
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 1: packers if you like a big part of their jobs,

1582
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: they are packers. They know how to move things from

1583
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: point A to point B. What be at people or materials.

1584
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: On horses. He has a way to carry mule deer

1585
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: where you got a horse with a panier on each side,

1586
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: and he knows where to cut it so that that

1587
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: front half and back half way the same. When you're

1588
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: loading horses, it might not seem like this would be

1589
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: like an actual thing. A pound matters. The panniers on

1590
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: a pack saddle like they're balanced there, they're just they're

1591
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: setting there balanced. Um, there's some lashing and stuff, primarily

1592
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: like if they're out of balance, it's not going to ride.

1593
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 1: So he goes up to the third rib whatever the

1594
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: hell he is, because the deer off at the knees,

1595
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: grows up to the third or fourth rib. Whatever cuts

1596
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: the thing in a half knows how to tilt its

1597
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: head over to make up the difference, puts it into panier,

1598
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: and he knows that that mule here is now cutting

1599
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: two halves the way the exact same amount. I've never

1600
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: seen that before, and I thought my eyes were deceiving

1601
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: me in the episode, I thought someone else had killed

1602
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: the deer in the like time that they had last

1603
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: shown your mule deer. And then when they came back

1604
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: to it, because there was like two halves of mule

1605
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: here there. Yeah, we were trying to get I mean

1606
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: it was I would have liked to have taken part

1607
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: in that process. But as you saw, like where it

1608
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: had a snowstorm, it was very late at night. I

1609
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: was trying to find the deer tag, everything soaked. He

1610
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: just no. I thought it was genius, but I didn't

1611
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: know about that trick. You guys weren't familiar with that

1612
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: cutting them that way, so they weigh the same first

1613
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: I had seen it. No, then he cocks the head

1614
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: over the top of the the crossbars there and out

1615
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: of there. Yeah, if disrespect, if there could somehow be

1616
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: disrespect in getting something out cleanly, and effectively, Um I don't,

1617
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And they leave the hide on

1618
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: just to protect they like they leave the hide on

1619
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: to protect the meat, which is pretty calm with horse

1620
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: people because you're not horse people. They're not always trying

1621
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: to find ways to make everything light, so they're able

1622
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 1: to do It's like making everything light and compact and

1623
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: transportable isn't like their primary focus. Like they know how

1624
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: to use the horses for what their best at. So

1625
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of horse guys leave hide on stuff because

1626
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 1: then you get home, skin the hide off and it's

1627
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 1: all clean underneath. They use it like in substitute of

1628
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: a game bag. Then they oftentimes aren't looking to turn

1629
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: things into like a thousand bags of stuff. Two is

1630
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: is fine. Those guys are good dudes, man. They know

1631
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: what they know their business very well. Someone wants to know,

1632
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: can you cook mule deer ribs the same as white

1633
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: tail ribs? You sure it wasn't the opposite? Well either way?

1634
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:04,919
Speaker 1: Can you cook them the same way? The same question? Yeah, anything, anything,

1635
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: any kind of ribs, it doesn't matter. Someone's wondering how

1636
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: you got the meat home from Wyoming. I'd love to

1637
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: hear a little more about your post hunt slash post

1638
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 1: field dressing logistics. Yeah. Yeah, um, I did the same

1639
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: thing just recently on my Colorado l count. We've been

1640
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: flying traveling with empty Yeti Hopper coolers, but we drove

1641
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: to Wyoming. Yeah, oh, I forgot. We drove those deer home.

1642
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: Called him in a lie. You're right, you're right, you

1643
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: know what that question there was some There was some

1644
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: more to that question that Spencer skipped over. That was

1645
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: asking if we had checked him in on the flight,

1646
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 1: because I knew that you didn't fly from my own

1647
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: but I think this guy wants to know how we

1648
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: do it. So yeah, like those guys are saying on

1649
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: that particular one, they just went home, probably just about

1650
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: that way mine was quartered because we packed it off

1651
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: the mountain. But they probably just went into a cooler anyways,

1652
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: for flying or road trips, so for transporting, for transporting, yeah,

1653
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into the flying because this works pretty slick.

1654
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: But anyways, Tho's Yetie hoppers, soft sided coolers. We get

1655
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: the meat cold. If we can freeze it, we freeze it,

1656
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: but it's usually just like large muscle chunks, not fully processed.

1657
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's gonna go right into my freezer.

1658
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get it cold. So literally, on

1659
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,799
Speaker 1: my last hunt, I put the meat, came off the mountain,

1660
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 1: boned out. I took it to a process or cooler,

1661
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and I said, how much its gonna take for me

1662
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: just to story here for a while? He said, He

1663
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: said X amount whatever it was per day. So it

1664
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: was in there for three or four days. The day

1665
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: before we left, I went and picked it up and

1666
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: just shoved giant chunks and meat into these yetie hoppers

1667
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: as full as I could get them and zip them shut.

1668
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Now they're heavy, they're we're wait, so you have to

1669
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,839
Speaker 1: pay for that on the flight home. Now you're forgetting

1670
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: a couple of steps here you okay, you hadn't gone

1671
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 1: into ziplocks Nope. And then you hadn't lined the hopper

1672
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: with a contractor bag nope. Okay. I had cooled clean,

1673
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: not bloody, just Mimi stepping in here. It had been

1674
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: setting on a wire rat getting air circulated around it

1675
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: like in a nice you know, meat cooler. One thing

1676
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna get you in trouble. Yeah, oh, I learned this. This.

1677
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't I hesitate to even tell people this. Some

1678
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: of from Alaska Airlines was telling me they can't. They

1679
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: won't ditch stuff based on smell. It has to be

1680
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: an overpowering odor. Okay. I was like, really, She's like, yeah,

1681
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: we can't. It's just like if something smells, we can't

1682
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: decide to get rid of it. Did you But what

1683
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: she said, we can do anything dripping blood, it's it's

1684
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: okay to not handle it. So I I like to

1685
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: line the hopper with a good contractor bag, put my

1686
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: meat in there, and then zip tie or electric tape

1687
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,879
Speaker 1: that contractor bag shut. Because I've heard from multiple airline

1688
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 1: people that anything dripping bodily fluids definitely is okay to

1689
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: like find its way to like the dumpster. Yeah, And

1690
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: like I said, this is a particularly particular instance where

1691
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: I knew the meat was just extremely I don't want

1692
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: to say dried out, but like I said, it's been

1693
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: laying in a cooler with air going around it with

1694
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: a fan for three or four days, Like I just

1695
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: until you froze it and then thought it out. Then

1696
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 1: it would probably have juice or blood or whatever you

1697
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: want to call that stuff from the cells breaking down

1698
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: that it would leak. But um, when yes, if you

1699
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: strip the velvet off antlers, let it dry, because she

1700
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: said if someone touches that antler and gets that one

1701
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: in their hands, they don't have to handle it. It's

1702
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: good tip. But speaking of antlers in the head, this

1703
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,839
Speaker 1: is gonna be a real conundrum because that same shop,

1704
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, sorry they did. They did like the

1705
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, skull cleaning, like a quick European amount, Like

1706
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: how much do that? You know, I'm thinking I'll just

1707
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: pay for it, no big deal, but they wanted three

1708
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: or fifty bucks to freedom ount of skull. Yes. I'm like,

1709
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: all right, I'll figure something out. You have got to

1710
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: be kid, what's the world coming to? It? Seems like

1711
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: that's going right. So I had I had pretty much

1712
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: ahead that had been set in the garage for four

1713
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: days now, and it was you know what kind of

1714
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: clean that I had pulled the eyeballs out and pulled

1715
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: some meat off of it, brains still in it. Um.

1716
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 1: Actually we had to pull the brains out because it's

1717
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: because of c w D. We didn't know if we

1718
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: had to. I think we actually checked and didn't have

1719
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: to for that. There are some places I don't want

1720
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: to make this confusing, But there are some places where

1721
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:10,560
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful about transporting brain matter, bones,

1722
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: and different parts of animals across state lines and even

1723
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: from unit to unit in different states. So if you're

1724
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna do that with any kind of meat, read the

1725
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: REGs closely. Um. So I thought that was gonna be

1726
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 1: the case. So we took we pulled the brain out,

1727
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: but I still had like this kind of semi wasn't

1728
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: rotten yet, but just a bloody, meaty head and had

1729
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: some dirt on it. And you can't just walk into

1730
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: the airport like that. So I took some shop towels,

1731
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: like basically a blue paper towel, kind of put it

1732
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 1: on there, wrapped a little bit of duct tape on

1733
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: there to hold that on there. And then I took

1734
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 1: a just a regular old grocery sack like, uh, you know,

1735
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: the small one if you just go and get a

1736
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: few things from the grocery, wrapped that around the head.

1737
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 1: Then I went balls to the wall with duct tape

1738
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: and covered the whole head and turned it into like

1739
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: a piece of art that just looks like a skull

1740
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 1: covered in duct tape. Now that was fine for that

1741
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: was contained right because you get garden holes or pipe insulation. Now,

1742
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: So then I went and got ah, it's perfect because

1743
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: they sell like I didn't know, eight and like ten

1744
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: ft chunks of garden holes and you cut about I

1745
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: don't know, four or five inches of garden holes and

1746
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: stick it onto the end of a time and then

1747
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: basically just you don't even have to tape the top part,

1748
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,560
Speaker 1: the open part above the time, just to keep the

1749
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: garden holes onto the time. You take that up, and

1750
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: they want you to do that. So it's not sharp

1751
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: because if they put a head with times into the

1752
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: bottom of a um airplane and someone tosses a you know,

1753
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: a piece of luggage on top of it, could very

1754
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: well go right through it, right, So you're protecting other

1755
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 1: people's stuff by taping that. Or the plane goes down

1756
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that antler comes crashing up

1757
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: through the floor of the plane. Right, you get a

1758
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: time before you burn up. So anyways, yeah, I checked

1759
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: that and the guy had year old questions. Just like

1760
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: put a tag on it and stuck it in and

1761
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 1: then I it was interesting they loaded it. There was

1762
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: the very last piece of gear to go onto the plane.

1763
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I say gear luggage she walked it over and handed

1764
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 1: it to the person. Didn't even ride the conveyor belt.

1765
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: They took care of my antlers very very well. That's great. Yeah,

1766
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: it's nice when people are like that, because you're always

1767
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: coming in with something like that. Your eyes a little

1768
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: bit like what am I? You know what am I

1769
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 1: running into flying home? My kids care? But we're coming

1770
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: in there like welcome, welcome. Well, their anchorage and Air

1771
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: Alaska Airlines they're used to that in those fairbanks. Yeah,

1772
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 1: you come in there with a polar bear, they're like, well,

1773
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: please wrap his claws and something. When we flew home

1774
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: from Sonora, you guys just carried those bucks on just

1775
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: a small Yeah. But I've seen I've seen people get

1776
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: turned away. I've seen people get turned away. I saw

1777
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 1: the other day, speaking of flying with stuff, I saw

1778
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 1: there a guy getting a major, major fight. He was

1779
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: fighting with the t s A guys so bad. He

1780
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 1: had speedloaders, so you had a hard case with his

1781
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: pistol stuff. He's some kind of competitive shooter, I could

1782
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 1: tell by all of his shirts and the guys he

1783
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: was with. And you're supposed to like when you fly

1784
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: with AMO, you supposed to fly with ammo in its

1785
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: original box or a container made for ammunition. He had

1786
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 1: a hard case with his pistol in it. He had

1787
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: all his ammo loaded into speedloaders and the t s

1788
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: A Guy's like no, and he's like, all right, fly

1789
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 1: all over you know the first thing you say to

1790
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: anybody's here talking about how much you fly all over place? Right? Alright,

1791
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: fly with this deer head everwhere I go, never before.

1792
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: But he lays that on him, and this guy is

1793
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 1: like not giving an inch. The dude gets so heated

1794
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, two cops come and one

1795
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: cop comes and stands back like to survey the situation, right,

1796
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: another cop goes out to engage with the dude. And

1797
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: it was the most genius piece of policing I've ever seen,

1798
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: because you could the cops like wants to to Here's

1799
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: a guy stand there like a pistol in an airport, right,

1800
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 1: are you know, over speedloaders and he's getting heated up. Yeah,

1801
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: and this guy can shoot good. So the policeman comes

1802
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 1: up and the policeman is like, the t s A

1803
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 1: dudes basically his colleague. They both work in the same airport.

1804
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 1: So you can see that he can't alienate the t

1805
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: s A Guy. And he comes up and explains that

1806
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: in my and in defending the t s A guy,

1807
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 1: you can tell he doesn't agree with the t s

1808
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: A Guy. But he said, we have a job of

1809
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 1: interpreting in a in a situation like this, we interpret

1810
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: the situation, we interpret the law, and it's for courts

1811
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: to figure that out later. But in the moment, we

1812
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: need to make a judgment call. This is the judgment

1813
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: call this man is made. Then the guy is still

1814
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: getting heated up. This this police guy takes the guy's

1815
01:45:56,080 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: speedloaders and says, I will get these held for you,

1816
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: and when you're coming through town again, I'll come and

1817
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 1: bring him to you. You let me know. Here's my

1818
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: business card. Dude, calm right down, didn't fly with his

1819
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 1: speed loaders. The cop like soothe everybody out. I even

1820
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: gave him like a nice job as he's walking away,

1821
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: because this dude was getting heated up. Man, and he

1822
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: came and just dissolved that ship, like dissolved that ship.

1823
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: That's great. Was there they were loaded, you said. He

1824
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: instead of having his pistol rounds and boxes, he had

1825
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 1: him and all these speed loaders and I don't know

1826
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: why it never occurred. The guy just to like, but

1827
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: you're screwed in the airport because you can't go take

1828
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: all the amber and throw into trash can. They're not

1829
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna let that fly. But but I'm surprised if he

1830
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: had needed those speed loaders, like say, for the competition,

1831
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: that maybe he was flying too, that he would have

1832
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: kept those and just he was going I knew he

1833
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: was going home. He was headed home. No, it's a

1834
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 1: great bit of policing. Everybody saved face. No one was

1835
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, everyway. Then I saw that same police guy

1836
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: again later in the airport. I almost went up said

1837
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 1: something to again. I started thinking, you think I was

1838
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: creepy in the making of all nine seasons? How many

1839
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,600
Speaker 1: times has the camera crew scared off an animal you

1840
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 1: were hunting? Only once? All the animals all the time,

1841
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: What was it once? I'm joking. They spook a lot

1842
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: of them, but they spot a lot of them. It's real,

1843
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: like they spook a lot and spot a lot. Are

1844
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,679
Speaker 1: they carrying bn oculars? They get into it, yeah, they

1845
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: they we got some camera guys have become like very

1846
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about glassing, and everybody spoots a lot. They we

1847
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: spook him, we spot them, they hear them. It's just tough.

1848
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of complications. There's a lot of

1849
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: good that comes out of it, you know, a lot

1850
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: of eyeballs. Man, Yeah, you worry about missing something comes

1851
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: close by. What are you doing differently with the cinematography

1852
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: this season? It has a different feel, but in a

1853
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: good way. I'll let your Honi handle that one. Uh.

1854
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: The answer is nothing. Um. If you felt that way

1855
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 1: and and saw something, you know you can certainly, um

1856
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: send me an email to the info at meat Eater?

1857
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 1: Is it info? Do we have that spencer? You know?

1858
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: What do they send emails to? When they sent them

1859
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: to general email inbox? I don't know how this all

1860
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: get there? Well, how do you get untact? Just hit

1861
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: the contact stage on the website. A lot of good

1862
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: stuff coming. But I can tell you that you know,

1863
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: just about everybody that we worked with on that season

1864
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,799
Speaker 1: has been working with us for quite a few years.

1865
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: And um, just through tweaks and and polishing. You know,

1866
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:03,879
Speaker 1: it gets better and better, hopefully always changing, always upgrading

1867
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,640
Speaker 1: and changing equipment. And then you'd like to think that

1868
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 1: people just get better at what they do. Yeah. I

1869
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: think people just get better, the editors get better. Everyone's

1870
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: just growing. There's the thing that happens to is that, um,

1871
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: the camera operators that you use a lot. This is

1872
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: probably isn't what this person is getting at, but the

1873
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: camera operators use a lot start to get a real

1874
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: sixth sense. They kind of understand, like they start to

1875
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: understand how animals like, they understand how the situations play out,

1876
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: how the interactions play out. Um, And just to exposure

1877
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: to it, I think get a sense of of also

1878
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: body language that people have, right, and and and and

1879
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and they get like they kind of like meld into

1880
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: it in a better way and they sort of know

1881
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, for instance, like if the importance of

1882
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of like tying in a person and an animal, right,

1883
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: So if you're like, oh, there's a year over there, right,

1884
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: that rather than showing the hunter and showing the deer,

1885
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 1: and showing the hunter and showing the deer, they kind

1886
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: of get where they position themselves to get the hunter

1887
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: and the deer and the same shot, right. And that

1888
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 1: just comes from exposure and seeing these things happen again

1889
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 1: and again, and also from the good relationship between the

1890
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 1: host or talent or guests or whoever, and the shooter

1891
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: where they start to really understand. You know, if you

1892
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: hunt with someone all the time, like a buddy, you

1893
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 1: just kind of know what they're thinking and doing. You know,

1894
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 1: like you're walking along grouse hunting and you don't say like, okay,

1895
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: we'll stay roughly this far apart and you know, and whatever,

1896
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 1: you just without talking, you just understand what each other

1897
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: is up to. Um, you don't just then wander off

1898
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: and leave the guy, you know. Uh So, just through

1899
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: that proximity, I think a lot comes out of that

1900
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: um that could lead perhaps to some of what they're talking,

1901
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: what they're noticing. And I imagine also just like equipment

1902
01:50:55,240 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: and getting better at your craft kind of scenes, what

1903
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 1: are your meals like and your snacks like before obtaining

1904
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 1: fresh meat? It just depends, man. Yeah, if we're hunting

1905
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: out of a like a house that we've rented or

1906
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:16,720
Speaker 1: staying at someone's place. We were rarely based out of

1907
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 1: a hotel, so we usually like to base out a

1908
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 1: place where we can cook our own meals. And in

1909
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: that case, I mean, it's not too different than what

1910
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: you might be having at home for dinner. I mean,

1911
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 1: we usually have spaghetti night and we have taco night.

1912
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's just pretty broack night. Well, I mean

1913
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: it's definitely stuff that that I can and and Seth

1914
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 1: can cook up quickly. Um. You know, after the long

1915
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: day a hunting, last thing, you wanted to spend a

1916
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 1: bunch of time in the kitchen, So stuff that we

1917
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: can whip up quickly. I was going over just with

1918
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Chester and Molester last night. Yeah he's simple. Yeah, he

1919
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 1: tried to go too complicated one time. I know, I

1920
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: gotta go simple. People are tired. It's late, yep, and quick.

1921
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: We often bring we'll bring our own meat. We're talking

1922
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, if you're gonna travel with some empty

1923
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 1: yetie hoppers, you might as well pack in a couple

1924
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: of rows and stuff. But some trips we do all

1925
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: freeze dry like maybe instant oatmeal in the morning. All

1926
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: freeze drying for lunch, just like have a thing of mayo,

1927
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 1: have some cheese, have some salami and flatbread, very simple,

1928
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 1: bunch of granolas. Now on the Wyoming hunt, we had

1929
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: a full on cook Yeah, they were cooking outfit. There

1930
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: was an outfitted trip, so they did like outfitter meals, Yeah,

1931
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: which we weren't gonna do. But then I figured, you know,

1932
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 1: they'll give us more time to uh, you know, focus

1933
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: on the hunting, come home again tired. I mean because

1934
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 1: full meals, full meals. Yeah, because like that night you

1935
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 1: killed your buck. I mean you were in like four

1936
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: or five hours after dark. You know that someone like

1937
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: made all kinds of cool food. Oh yeah, well I

1938
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: think we put on during that trip. That's I think

1939
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: it's a game changer when someone else is cooking because

1940
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about it gives us a

1941
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 1: lot more time to do other things. What's it like

1942
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: to pack out an elk at elevations above ten thousand feet?

1943
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: And are there noticeable physical differences between elk at lower

1944
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 1: elevations and higher elevations. Man, they don't even have to

1945
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 1: be ten thousand feet. Man, if you come from sea level, uh,

1946
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: five thousand feet might be very arduous and a tough

1947
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: pack out. I still don't hear people. I can't think

1948
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 1: of a conversation where someone was factoring elevation above just

1949
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:49,719
Speaker 1: distance you know you're talking about, like you might say, Man,

1950
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: by myself, I don't think it would. I think it

1951
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: would be irresponsible for me to kill elk more than

1952
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 1: a mile from my truck. I've never heard someone say, um,

1953
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 1: hunting by myself, it would be irresponsible for me to

1954
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: kill an more than a mile from my truck at

1955
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: said elevation, Like, I just don't. It's a real thing

1956
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 1: and it factors in, But I don't know that I

1957
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 1: hear people maybe they should pay attention to that because

1958
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: it's a major major issue. It is. But if if

1959
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: anything at ten thousand feet most places during archery elk season, um,

1960
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and then as you get later it will be even

1961
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: more to your advantage. But uh, it's gonna be pretty cool.

1962
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: Like above town ten thousand feet, there's not a lot

1963
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 1: of days that are actually gonna you take care of

1964
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: your meat and get it hung on the north side

1965
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 1: of the tree that it couldn't hang there for two

1966
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 1: or three days and be just fine, giving you plenty

1967
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 1: of time to do the actual work. In terms of

1968
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: the difference of the animals, yeah, I don't know that

1969
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: a layman isn't gonna look and no, but there's no

1970
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 1: way there's not a difference and there's no way there's

1971
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 1: not a difference in fitness between some crazy elk and

1972
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: Colorado All living at ten eleven thousand feet and the

1973
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: elk living at two thousand feet. There's no way, there's

1974
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: not a difference in uh um that the ten thousand

1975
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: footel is not going to smoke the two thousand foote

1976
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 1: el can raise that ten thousand feet. I mean, how

1977
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: how did you know? There's no way it's gonna be

1978
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: just like anybody else. Like you live at high elevation,

1979
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 1: you learn how to perform at a high elevation. But

1980
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't. You're not. I'm not gonna like dissect one

1981
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 1: and be like, look at this, see he's got a

1982
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 1: Did you learn anything watching Jesse Butcher the Neil guy,

1983
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 1: M yeah, quite a bit um cooking more than butchering.

1984
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I picked up from him butchering

1985
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 1: that I now do is, uh that clever rubber mallet. Man,

1986
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I always knew about it, you know, and I've

1987
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 1: seen it, but like to really see someone who's good

1988
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: at a rubber mallet and a clever it's nice man.

1989
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 1: I started doing that even in my kitchen. Cleveland rubber mallett.

1990
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: It's just very ice feeling because a lot of people

1991
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: take Cleveland start just wailing away at stuff but when

1992
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 1: you put that blade right, you would want it and

1993
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: then give it a love tap with a rubber mallet.

1994
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 1: It's so precise. Well, I think too, I'm like messed

1995
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: up a clever too, because when you're whacking bones with

1996
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,400
Speaker 1: a clever, that blade cannot withstand that those impacts. He

1997
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: end up like really dinging and like putting full on

1998
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 1: waves in your blade as Grandpa's old carbon. And it's

1999
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: probably not meant to do that. It's meant to be

2000
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: used a way Jesse was used that little love tap

2001
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,839
Speaker 1: with a mallet. Dude, it's like just on a rousing

2002
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 1: deer ribs one even on just a home cutting board.

2003
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: I was like, so, I usually hacks on my ribs shorter,

2004
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, tell and you take that

2005
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland lay it on and I shot Cleveland at mallet

2006
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: and it's just like satisfying. Man's just like so that

2007
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest things. But mostly I

2008
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 1: learned from him um cooking. I mean, he's just like

2009
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 1: a thousand times better of a cook than I am.

2010
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 1: When you're hunting in Wyoming and your guy don't do

2011
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 1: anything on the sabbath, what would have happened if you

2012
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 1: guys still had tags to fill. Oh, they wouldn't have

2013
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 1: cared if we'd gone hunting. We would have been hunting.

2014
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 1: Could have you used the horses? No, No, their horses

2015
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: rest on Sunday. Oh it's it's everybody. Well, no, they don't.

2016
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: If you're with those guys, then you want to go

2017
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 1: do something, They're not gonna care. If you said, hey,

2018
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: I want to go fish, and they'd be like, oh,

2019
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:19,640
Speaker 1: go down. That's why we packed my buck out on

2020
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: foot and on our backs. What about the cook I

2021
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 1: can't remember what. I believe that their employees took the

2022
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Sunday off to Yeah, I don't. I don't imagine that that.

2023
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't imagine that they would say that we are

2024
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: going to take the day off, and we'd prefer that

2025
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 1: our horses take the day off. But then an employee

2026
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: others would be obligated to work. But then again, she's

2027
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 1: certainly made breakfast and dinner for us that day. Yeah,

2028
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: because I think like just eating, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah,

2029
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: somewhere I can't remember. Yeah, I can't really remember. Um.

2030
01:57:55,200 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 1: But no, they're very uh observing of their religion in

2031
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,800
Speaker 1: a in a like kind of you know, an admirable, admirable,

2032
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: respectful way, and it would have been never been that

2033
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 1: we could have done whatever we want. No, and there's

2034
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,200
Speaker 1: not you know, they're like quite up front about it.

2035
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: It was totally cool. I actually appreciated it. On the

2036
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Wyomi hunt. How many horses were with you in camp?

2037
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, man close to be like one human

2038
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: to one horse pack. They had pack animals and we

2039
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 1: got crew. We had a huge string because of all

2040
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 1: the gear and packing in pelican cases and ship. I

2041
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 1: don't think it was twenty, No, probably probably closer to

2042
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 1: fifteen ish. And I had to guess they probably each

2043
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 1: led us string of four or five and then plus

2044
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah, solid fifteen. There's a lot goes

2045
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: into that horse business man. My sister in law knows

2046
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 1: a lot about horses, and she knows more about horses

2047
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 1: than she can even begin to tell you, because it

2048
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not even things that you know. I mean,

2049
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 1: like the same way when you're talking to people, you're

2050
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 1: making all these calculations and observations about their personality and stuff,

2051
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,160
Speaker 1: and later you said, like I got you know, you

2052
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 1: can't be like I like him because you know this, this,

2053
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 1: this and this. You just don't think about it that way.

2054
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: But people that are around horses, man, they look at

2055
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: a horse and they just see something that I don't see.

2056
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 1: There there's a lot happening under the surface. And to

2057
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,840
Speaker 1: keep all those horses moving in the same direction stuff

2058
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 1: without getting all worked up and piste off. It's it's

2059
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 1: it's something. They were hard working, dude. They would be

2060
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 1: up well before us and go to bed. Wait, I've

2061
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 1: just taken care of the horses. I mean there's a

2062
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of horses take care of. Yeah, you gotta draw

2063
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 1: a license. Is the hunting that area? But I'm telling you,

2064
01:59:53,720 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: man um, I would without hesitation in terms of getting

2065
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 1: your money's worth and having someone work like, I would

2066
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:08,120
Speaker 1: out hesitation recommend doing a guided hunt in terms of

2067
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 1: like someone that like wants to hunt hard and is

2068
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:13,400
Speaker 1: willing to put in the time, and those guys are

2069
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: hard workers. Last question is probably the most common question

2070
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 1: the media got. When will there be part two? Soon? Early?

2071
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 1: Right soon, soon soon? Thank you, Spencer, good work, Spencer,

2072
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: seth thank you absolutely start thanking. I started thanking people

2073
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: an awkward way all the time. Thank you, honest, You're welcome,

2074
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, good work. Any thank you Steve, thank you