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Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. This is episode five. We are starting
Speaker 1: to run these things off and we are getting on
Speaker 1: the road. We're also on the road of incredible defensive
Speaker 1: wing guests had Andre Dalla, who's a teammate of mine
Speaker 1: who I think is an incredible defender. I've seen him
Speaker 1: give some of the better players that's been in the
Speaker 1: league over in the course of my ten years. Havoc Wreck,
Speaker 1: Havoc on guys, super smart, super strong, great lateral speed,
Speaker 1: great hands, good defender, metal World Piece who I think
Speaker 1: it's probably one of top two, along with the guy
Speaker 1: that I'm going to mention next that I've really played
Speaker 1: against as far as the wind goes. I mean, metal
Speaker 1: World Peace was just rooted into the ground, like you
Speaker 1: could not move him, Like he's just rooted into the ground.
Speaker 1: And then our guests this week on this week's show,
Speaker 1: who was also a guy When I came into the league,
Speaker 1: I was playing three and guarding me on the wing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god. I try to drive around.
Speaker 1: He like hit me with a farm. I couldn't move.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, you know, we had all these guys in
Speaker 1: a row. I think it's great. Super excited about talking
Speaker 1: with Stack jack hosts of All the Smoke along with
Speaker 1: Matt Bars. Great podcasts they have they have going on.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was a guest on the show,
Speaker 1: had a ton of fun. They got a good thing going.
Speaker 1: So I'm seen extremely excited to have Stack Jack on
Speaker 1: this this week's guest, just to really pick his brain
Speaker 1: on being a second round pick, which he was like
Speaker 1: myself on his journey through the league, his time with
Speaker 1: the Warriors like I've had myself, his time in the
Speaker 1: podcast space like I'm now in myself. A lot of
Speaker 1: similarities there. So looking forward to having stack Jack on
Speaker 1: the show as we move forward in this episode. But
Speaker 1: first we have a few things that we need to
Speaker 1: discuss that's going on around the social Number one, I
Speaker 1: think we all got to talk about Steph Curry breaking
Speaker 1: the record to go such a beautiful thing. It was
Speaker 1: so incredible being in Madison Square Guarden. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at that record being broken, you always want
Speaker 1: to do stuff like that at home. You get the
Speaker 1: support of your home crowd and you know you're you're
Speaker 1: just in your space. It's incredible. If you're not gonna
Speaker 1: do it at home, I don't think there's any better
Speaker 1: place to do it the Master Square Garden. And you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes stuff just work out. Most of the times when
Speaker 1: things just work out is because it works out for
Speaker 1: people that deserves incredible things because they are great people.
Speaker 1: And Steph Curry being one of the best people I've
Speaker 1: ever met, I've ever been around. It's very fitting that
Speaker 1: he have a moment like that, Like up the shot
Speaker 1: doesn't go in in Indiana. No disrespect to Indiana, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to break the record there, like you
Speaker 1: just don't like there's nothing special about Steph Curry breaking
Speaker 1: the record in Indiana other than he broke the record
Speaker 1: in Indiana. He breaks the record of Masson Square Garden,
Speaker 1: And my wasn't special. I mean for starters for the
Speaker 1: NBA to allow and and Masson Square Garden and the
Speaker 1: Knicks organization to agree to allow. I think it was
Speaker 1: five or six minutes on the clot maybe even a
Speaker 1: little more once we took the file for for him
Speaker 1: to have that moment, And my goodness, was that moment special?
Speaker 1: I mean from number one. For me to share that
Speaker 1: moment with him, to be on the court with him
Speaker 1: when he broke the record was incredible. We've been through
Speaker 1: a lot together my entire career. It's been my team mate,
Speaker 1: very special buyd we share. So to share that moment
Speaker 1: with him with special, extremely special. That's just my point
Speaker 1: of view. But you talked at the Garden, Ray Allen there,
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller there, Dell Curry there, all the stars there
Speaker 1: were out at least Keys, Chris Rod, Tracy Morgan, Michael
Speaker 1: straighthand I mean you go down the list like Pete Davidson.
Speaker 1: Everybody was in there to see that record go down
Speaker 1: such a such a special moment, and for him to
Speaker 1: have as much time as they gave him to take
Speaker 1: that moment in to where it wasn't just like, oh man, hey,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry just broke the record, clap it up, everybody. No,
Speaker 1: let's let's take a moment and embrace this and appreciate
Speaker 1: greatness and what we just witnessed because it's a very
Speaker 1: special feat by a very special talent it in person
Speaker 1: and someone who's been a great steward of this game
Speaker 1: and the way he carries himself, the way he represents himself,
Speaker 1: his family, the entire Warriors organization, the NBA as a whole.
Speaker 1: Kudos to the NBA, Kudos to T n T, Kudos
Speaker 1: to the New York Knicks organization, ku kudos to Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden for allowing that moment to happen. I thought
Speaker 1: that was extremely special, obviously well deserved. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about this record a little bit because I I actually
Speaker 1: saw although we were playing, I saw that saw the
Speaker 1: clips of it. Charles Barkley and Kenney Smith discussing whether
Speaker 1: they think the record would be broken or not. And
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley obviously thinks this record to get so far
Speaker 1: out of reach, as a lot of people think this
Speaker 1: record will get so far out to reach that no
Speaker 1: one will be able to touch it. Ever, I do
Speaker 1: agree that it will. I think Steph Curry will end
Speaker 1: up making well over four thousand three pointers, depending on
Speaker 1: how long he plays, possibly five thousand, but I know
Speaker 1: he'll make I think he'll make over four thousand three pointers.
Speaker 1: So now insane that that's a very hard record for
Speaker 1: anyone to beat. But you also have guys like Trey Young,
Speaker 1: like Donovan Mitchell. You know, guys that are good shooters
Speaker 1: and they're coming into the league. Averaging seven three pointers
Speaker 1: a game is rookies. You know, Steph Curry today averages
Speaker 1: eight point seven threes per game on his career attempts
Speaker 1: the last three years or so, I'm almost positive that
Speaker 1: he's over ten. I know for certain the last two
Speaker 1: years and up from not mistake can the last three
Speaker 1: or four years, he's over ten. Attempts a game, and
Speaker 1: yet his averages at eight point seven a game, which
Speaker 1: means before he started attempt to tend a game, because
Speaker 1: he changed the NBA to where the three point shot
Speaker 1: is so dynamic and everybody's doing it, before he started
Speaker 1: attempt to tend a game, his average was probably out
Speaker 1: about six per game. Which you had, really who you had,
Speaker 1: really who averaged a little over five per game. These
Speaker 1: younger guys are attempting threes at such a high clip,
Speaker 1: at a high rate that the law of averages just
Speaker 1: alone says that the record will be broken. I don't
Speaker 1: think the argument, though, is whether the record will be
Speaker 1: broken or not, because records are made to be broken,
Speaker 1: like that's just the nature of the beast. I think
Speaker 1: the thing that significant here is a couple of things.
Speaker 1: One is, whoever does break the record, we won't care
Speaker 1: like we care with Steph Curry broke the record. And
Speaker 1: the reason you won't care like you did with Steph
Speaker 1: Curry broke the record is because the next person to
Speaker 1: break that record, unless we it's Cannon Curry coming along
Speaker 1: shooting like Steph Curry, I'm not sure we'll ever see
Speaker 1: another someone else that can shoot the ball like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: And so because of that, we won't care because when
Speaker 1: someone break that record, we will all know like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he broke it because of the law of averages, but
Speaker 1: we don't agree that you're a greater shooter than Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: And so I think the the argument here is is
Speaker 1: not whether someone is going to break the record or not.
Speaker 1: It's two things. Number one, we won't care as much,
Speaker 1: and number two that whoever that guy is, you you
Speaker 1: aren't better than Steph Curry. You're not a better shooter
Speaker 1: than Steph Curry. And I think that is the argument
Speaker 1: is it probably will because the three is just everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone in the NBA can hit a three
Speaker 1: point shot. Now, whether you into that thirty percent or
Speaker 1: forty everyone in the NBA can hit the three point shot.
Speaker 1: And that is all because of Steph Curry and Clay Thompson.
Speaker 1: But Steph Curry and the way he changed the game
Speaker 1: with basketball, So would the record be broken. He's of
Speaker 1: course gonna put it out of reach. But with the
Speaker 1: way these young guys are coming in just launching threes,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, we'll see, but one thing I
Speaker 1: know for certain, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter we've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and probably the greatest shooter wherever we'll see.
Speaker 1: Speaking of last night's game, I know there was a
Speaker 1: lot of attention around my tweets on the night before
Speaker 1: and the day uh, and I saw a few people
Speaker 1: which I responded to a few because I had nothing
Speaker 1: but times and sitting the wait on the plane, let
Speaker 1: us board the plane, and then actually taking off and
Speaker 1: flying here and schedule being all jacked up. So do
Speaker 1: you nap? Do you not nap? Like the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and so of course I was bored. So I looked
Speaker 1: at a few responses and people are like, try one.
Speaker 1: I think one guy said, try try try going to
Speaker 1: work every day of the week and still not have
Speaker 1: enough money to buy Christmas presents or something like that.
Speaker 1: So you're complaining and you make this amount of money,
Speaker 1: And like I told him, hey, my man, no disrespect,
Speaker 1: but your problems are your problems, and my problems are
Speaker 1: my problems. To be quite frank with you, you may
Speaker 1: not give a damn about my problem, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's totally fine. The reality is is those are still
Speaker 1: my problems. I may not care at all about your problems,
Speaker 1: but the reality is they are still your problem. So
Speaker 1: the one thing that you and I both have in
Speaker 1: common is we both have issues that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: In your mind, your issue is way bigger than my issue,
Speaker 1: but that's your issue, that is your reality. Your reality
Speaker 1: isn't my reality. So just because my reality isn't your reality,
Speaker 1: that doesn't lessen my issue because it's not your reality
Speaker 1: or in your mind, what I'm dealing with doesn't come
Speaker 1: close to what you're dealing with in your world. And
Speaker 1: I told a few people that yesterday. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: my issues are still my issues and your issues are
Speaker 1: your issues. It's totally fine. But the issue was, we
Speaker 1: finished playing in Indiana and we're supposed to fly to
Speaker 1: New York. Playing is broke down. We can't leave the
Speaker 1: night of. We go back to the hotel in Indiana.
Speaker 1: We have a ten o'clock flight yesterday morning, which doesn't
Speaker 1: end up leaving until ten forty something. By the time
Speaker 1: we landed in New York, I think it's twelve forty
Speaker 1: is twelve thirty is by the time we actually make
Speaker 1: it to the hotel, it's right like one. By the
Speaker 1: time we make it to the hotel. Well, the significance
Speaker 1: of that is we play at seven thirty, and so
Speaker 1: now you're talking five and a half hours before a
Speaker 1: game time and actually making it to a hotel in
Speaker 1: the city. And with those five and a half hours,
Speaker 1: you know again we're arriving at to the first bus
Speaker 1: was at three thirty, and you know you're headed to
Speaker 1: the game. And so just the I was extremely proud
Speaker 1: of our team and fighting through the adversity and and
Speaker 1: beating a tough those next team, hard hard nos next team.
Speaker 1: Because it's already not ideal playing a game or night
Speaker 1: before playing back to backs. It's just never ideal. That
Speaker 1: second game of the back to back is always tough.
Speaker 1: You coupled that with traveling the day of and getting
Speaker 1: to the hotel five hours before the game, and it's
Speaker 1: nearly impossible to win a game. You then add on
Speaker 1: the emotional moment of Steph Curry, Steph Curry breaking the record,
Speaker 1: and when you add on that moment, see, I've been
Speaker 1: in games, high emotion games, whether it's Steph Curry, you
Speaker 1: know when you have these things like Steph Curry gets
Speaker 1: the day before a playoff game, he's given his m
Speaker 1: v P trophy and then before the game, right before
Speaker 1: the game, you know, he showed it to the crowd
Speaker 1: day And that game is always very emotional, very hard
Speaker 1: to win. If you I'd be interested in what the
Speaker 1: stats are, but I guarantee you the team with the
Speaker 1: guy accept an award, they don't win often. It's just
Speaker 1: a weird game to play in. And so I said
Speaker 1: all of that to say, with Steph Curry breaking the
Speaker 1: record last night, the whole stoppage happening, all of the
Speaker 1: things that went on with that, for our team to
Speaker 1: stay the course, win the game, be able to focus
Speaker 1: and lock back in, I thought that was a really
Speaker 1: huge step for our team and just our focus and
Speaker 1: our toughness and our mental toughness. I thought that was
Speaker 1: huge for us to go out there and win that
Speaker 1: game the way we did. Uh that that taught me
Speaker 1: You're always learning about the guys you have with you,
Speaker 1: and that taught me even more about the guys that
Speaker 1: I go to war with daily. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was very special because it was a lot going into everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, with the travel, with the record,
Speaker 1: you at the garden, all of these things you got,
Speaker 1: you kind of had everything working against us and we
Speaker 1: somehow find a way. I thought, I thought that was special, um,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a big win for us.
Speaker 1: And also and and and other news around the association.
Speaker 1: We had the talks of the NBA and the n
Speaker 1: b p A discussing increasing player of testing. Obviously we
Speaker 1: know it's been a crazy uptick into positive cases. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got your honest out. Now you have DeMar de Rosenhaal,
Speaker 1: you have zach lavine, now you have James hard now
Speaker 1: all of these guys that are missing time because of COVID.
Speaker 1: The league is talking about ramping up the testing for
Speaker 1: vaccinating and unvaccinated players for game and practice days, pretty
Speaker 1: similar to what we went through last year, which was brutal.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it goes. Um. I understand the
Speaker 1: league ramping up testing, if so, I must say, it
Speaker 1: pisces me off a little bit. And the reason it
Speaker 1: does it is because we were told you get vaccinated,
Speaker 1: the testing stops, and a lot of guys got vaccinated
Speaker 1: for that reason, you know. And I think people just
Speaker 1: need to be careful what you say and what and
Speaker 1: how you go about getting people to do sad things
Speaker 1: because you tell me you get vaccinated, there's no more testing,
Speaker 1: and how you're going to bring the testing back as
Speaker 1: if I didn't get vaccinated. And part of my reason
Speaker 1: for getting vaccinated was to not have on a string
Speaker 1: it was testing that we went through last year. It's
Speaker 1: tough to draw that one back, you know, And so
Speaker 1: you just have to be very careful and how you
Speaker 1: go about things. And so if if there's any part
Speaker 1: of it that pisces me off, I understand why totally
Speaker 1: get it, But that then becomes misleading information that was
Speaker 1: given to me prior to me ever getting vaccinated. And
Speaker 1: it really makes you look back at the Kyrie situation,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know a lot of people have
Speaker 1: spoke about vote out on Kyrie, most of it being negative,
Speaker 1: and now you look back at the Kyrie situation, I
Speaker 1: know he's sitting back like all these guys are still
Speaker 1: getting COVID and y'all say everyone's vaccinated. What's like, what's
Speaker 1: the issue? Why why can't I play? And especially if
Speaker 1: we're going back to testing every day before practice before games,
Speaker 1: that puts you right back in the same situation as
Speaker 1: everyone else, regardless of if vaccinated or unvaccinated. And so
Speaker 1: I think that will be interesting. I know there's been
Speaker 1: rumors about Katie and Kyrie talking more like Katie and
Speaker 1: Kyrie are best friends. This whole rumor of like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're apparently back talking is utterly ridiculous. Is disgusting, because
Speaker 1: do you think Katie and Kyrie we're gonna stop talking
Speaker 1: because Kyrie isn't playing like their friends. Relationship goes beyond
Speaker 1: the basketball court. So I thought that was disgusting. But
Speaker 1: you know, and and just speaking on that, you have
Speaker 1: to revisit Kyrie and what he's thinking and how he
Speaker 1: feels and all the things that's going on with it
Speaker 1: because of the situations that are going on in the NBA,
Speaker 1: with the COVID, with the positive tests, the positive cases,
Speaker 1: the testing now possibly about to come back, and all
Speaker 1: of those things. So you definitely have to take a
Speaker 1: peek back at the Kyrie situation. And if you were
Speaker 1: someone who absolutely destroyed him, you may have to uh,
Speaker 1: rethink or recapt I know people in the media today
Speaker 1: don't really go back and say, oh, it's wrong. They
Speaker 1: just kind of move on to the next thing. But
Speaker 1: you may need to go back because this is a
Speaker 1: human being that we're talking about that's been drug through
Speaker 1: the mud because of a decision that he made on
Speaker 1: his body and what he wanted to do with his body.
Speaker 1: You may need to look back at that as this
Speaker 1: news starts to unfold, because I think it I think
Speaker 1: it's going to get very very interesting if this plays
Speaker 1: out the way I think is gonna play out. So
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye out on that. But I'm really
Speaker 1: interested in seeing how this plays out because the positive
Speaker 1: tests has been ramping up. You had Toronto go back
Speaker 1: to capacity in the arenas. Hopefully other teams don't follow that,
Speaker 1: but that's a big deal going back to fifty percent capacity.
Speaker 1: So a lot of things going on right now on
Speaker 1: the COVID front. You know, we've been lucky knock on
Speaker 1: wood to not um have any positive cases on our team,
Speaker 1: and hopefully, fingers crossed we can keep it that way.
Speaker 1: But it's getting really interesting right now on the league
Speaker 1: on the COVID front. So stay tuned. We'll see how
Speaker 1: this plays out. But I think I know how it's
Speaker 1: gonna play out. We'll see, We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome y'all to the Draymond Green Show,
Speaker 1: our next guest as a very special guest h We
Speaker 1: we have a lot of connected tissue. UM and me
Speaker 1: following in his footsteps, guy who came to this organization
Speaker 1: the Warriors when it was down uh and had one
Speaker 1: of the most incredible years in this franchise history, especially
Speaker 1: up until that point, and did it all through just
Speaker 1: bringing that toughness and that fire and that grit. Obviously
Speaker 1: been that guy his entire career and entire life for
Speaker 1: that matter, but a guy who I have the utmost
Speaker 1: respect for. Incredible, incredible basketball player, incredible defender, one of
Speaker 1: the toughest guys that's come to our league. Stack Jack
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, what's up with my brother? Ain't glad to
Speaker 1: be here? Thanks for having man and that that means
Speaker 1: a lot coming from you made because what we were
Speaker 1: able to do, we were able to start something, but
Speaker 1: what you did take it to another level. Bro. And
Speaker 1: I always tell people, I say, Jamond mind Grain is
Speaker 1: a different version of us. He's more of a polished
Speaker 1: version and he does more things. But like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but you know, we had you
Speaker 1: on our show and we talked a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But the thing that the things you do and your size,
Speaker 1: it's like ten times more. I would say more wrapped
Speaker 1: than Charles Barker. Charles Barder can score, but what you
Speaker 1: do at your size. When I was in the league,
Speaker 1: it was being done by seven books facts. Sim Dunking,
Speaker 1: I played with him. He was relying on big guys
Speaker 1: to to to protect the paint, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and being a part of change in the game my wart.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that man. That's you know. When
Speaker 1: I came into the league as as a second round
Speaker 1: pick like yourself. Uh, you know, you come into the
Speaker 1: league and number one, you gotta get a contract. When
Speaker 1: you drive to the second round, there's no guarantees, so
Speaker 1: you gotta get a contract number one after summer league.
Speaker 1: These these days, guys don't even play some league with
Speaker 1: the contract. But I went through all through summer league
Speaker 1: without a contract, and my whole goal was just to
Speaker 1: get on the team. And once I once I signed
Speaker 1: my contract, I'm like, what's what is my goal now
Speaker 1: in this league? And for me, my goal was to
Speaker 1: create a path for guys in this league. And it
Speaker 1: don't have to be scoring. Uh, it don't have to
Speaker 1: be you six nine, sixteen, sixt eleven to play the
Speaker 1: fourth position because that's always been my natural position, and
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to build on that and through
Speaker 1: the success of our team. You know, I'm not oblivious
Speaker 1: to know that the success of our team has also
Speaker 1: helped and in my career and helped me change that narrative.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a great feeling. But you know,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your career and the greatness
Speaker 1: that you put out on this court. It's funny because
Speaker 1: I had I had um. I was doing something with Meta.
Speaker 1: Uh we had Metal on the show, and and I
Speaker 1: was telling him when the two guys that I came
Speaker 1: into when I came into the league, that I knew
Speaker 1: right away, ain't no messing around with them. You're not
Speaker 1: getting around them. They're weighs stronger than everybody was. You
Speaker 1: and Meta and y'all were two wing defenders. And I
Speaker 1: know I made a lot of news when I said, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm the best defender ever, you know, And I said
Speaker 1: that for two reasons. Number One, I feel like I am.
Speaker 1: I believe that because of all the things that I
Speaker 1: do on the defensive end, that it's not gonna show
Speaker 1: up in the statue. You know, it's cutting that guy off.
Speaker 1: It's helping on that. But number two, just to start
Speaker 1: that conversation and drive the conversation to get uh, everybody
Speaker 1: talking about the guys like yourself, like Meta, like Ben Wallace,
Speaker 1: like Bill Russell. No one brings us up when when
Speaker 1: you're talking basketball grace because it's not scoring. And so
Speaker 1: that was a goal of mine when I made that comment,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of guys responded, what did you
Speaker 1: think of that? When I said that, Well, if you
Speaker 1: don't believe, who will? And it starts with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know every time. I never made a first team
Speaker 1: All Defense or anything like that, you know, and I
Speaker 1: know it wasn't because of my players because other things.
Speaker 1: But I went out there and felt like I was
Speaker 1: gonna stop everybody in and everybody every night. That's just
Speaker 1: the attitude you gotta have as a defender. And that's
Speaker 1: why we rare because very few people have the confidence
Speaker 1: to go out there and feel like they can stop anybody.
Speaker 1: Right I have. I have been rung in my top
Speaker 1: five defenders of all time because of what y'all do,
Speaker 1: and y'all can guard all positions. It's very people at
Speaker 1: y'all side that can guard one through five. I was
Speaker 1: everybody board one through four at certain times and certain players. Right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't all point guards. I can go at some
Speaker 1: point guards, the big ones. I had them live the
Speaker 1: smaller It was smaller phone because there was a little
Speaker 1: quicker but Ron, you can put wrong on anybody at
Speaker 1: any given time, at any given game, and he's taking
Speaker 1: them out of the game. And and and that passion
Speaker 1: that we have, bro, I think that's that that that's
Speaker 1: instilled enough from where we come from. You can't be
Speaker 1: taught that. And it might be you know, like it
Speaker 1: was snubbed in the second round too, feeling like we
Speaker 1: always have something to prove. Yeah, I'm thankful that we
Speaker 1: have that attitude, right, because that was our edge to
Speaker 1: go on the quote, I got something to prove every night.
Speaker 1: They still sleeping on me. So every night I'm coming
Speaker 1: to I attitude that I'm the best, even if y'all
Speaker 1: don't believe it, I'm coming I hit that confidence. No,
Speaker 1: that's a fact, man, that's a fact. Obviously. You coming
Speaker 1: from Port Arthur, Texas, which is a smaller city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and myself coming from Saginaw, Michigan, a smaller city. You
Speaker 1: just bred that way, like you can't survive on the
Speaker 1: playground if you don't have that mentality. You can't survive
Speaker 1: at the rec center if you don't have that mentality.
Speaker 1: So and I definitely have an appreciated But speaking of
Speaker 1: of rhyme um, you two guys together in Indiana, like
Speaker 1: I said, two of the better defensive, the best defendish
Speaker 1: that I played against in my career. And obviously that
Speaker 1: was really early in my career, my first year or
Speaker 1: two that you guys were still playing, y'all two on
Speaker 1: the same team in Indiana, locking guys up, Like, how
Speaker 1: how did you feel? And obviously we'll get to what
Speaker 1: end up happening, but how did you feel about that team?
Speaker 1: Y'all to Jermaine O'Neil, Jamaal Tinsley, what what was your
Speaker 1: feeling about that? Tim And where does this stack up
Speaker 1: against all the other teams that you did play for? What? What?
Speaker 1: What a couple of things happened? Mike Brown end up
Speaker 1: guing there. Mike Bround was marked the reason I went
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, I won the championship. That's my guy,
Speaker 1: my favorite coach of all time. Uh and I know
Speaker 1: you love Mike this way as well, and uh, he
Speaker 1: ended up going to Indiana, And I told you I
Speaker 1: had to go to Atlanta to kind of prove myself
Speaker 1: again have the championship. So Mike, make sure that Indiana
Speaker 1: was one giving me my contract and to give me
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, to be the player that they
Speaker 1: know I could be. Going to that team, drink, I
Speaker 1: knew we was gonna win a championship because I looked
Speaker 1: at the Rocks. And but for Donnie Wash and Larry
Speaker 1: Bird to some of the best minds in basketball, to
Speaker 1: think that I'm the missing piece, and for Reggie Miller
Speaker 1: to say that I could be, I could be a successor.
Speaker 1: He's willing to bring him in. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that I can that I would love to take my
Speaker 1: place when I retire. All those things to have me
Speaker 1: feeling real confident about myself. So going there looking at
Speaker 1: jamatow Nerono Test, Jamal Tinsley, Jonathan Bender, Scott Paul At,
Speaker 1: Jeff Foster, I'm just looking at the Rocks like there's
Speaker 1: no reason that we can't come out the East first
Speaker 1: of all. Um. So I just went that confidence. But
Speaker 1: man ran playing together on defense. We butted heads every
Speaker 1: night because we both want to got the best player.
Speaker 1: And when we got the best player, if that person
Speaker 1: scored one time, we are again let begin, let me
Speaker 1: begin him, you know what I'm saying. And it kept
Speaker 1: us both I think every night, you know, we came
Speaker 1: into the game thinking, Okay, even if I'm not guarding
Speaker 1: the best man, I'm gonna lock this man up. So
Speaker 1: after the game we can be like, well, I locked
Speaker 1: mine up, you know what I'm saying. Most of the
Speaker 1: most of nice, that's what what it was for that
Speaker 1: short step of the season for the bral happened. But
Speaker 1: those fifteen nineteen games, we showed everybody we were the
Speaker 1: best in the league. That's that's beautiful. And I think
Speaker 1: y'all did did as well. But you know, when you're
Speaker 1: playing against a team with a great wing defender, it
Speaker 1: completely mess like destroys the other team offense because most guys,
Speaker 1: most teams, their offense is usually built around a powerful wing.
Speaker 1: And so you got two guys that's taking taking those
Speaker 1: guys out of the game. Then you fund them to
Speaker 1: j O Young Jo by the way, who's blocking everything,
Speaker 1: plugging the paint up. You got Jeff Foster clogging the
Speaker 1: paint up. Y'all had an incredible team and then obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a night and Detroit goes wrong. Um, you
Speaker 1: know y'all had the brawl. Walk me through the brawl.
Speaker 1: I know you started off kind of chill. Then you
Speaker 1: see Matta going to the stands where you go, what
Speaker 1: happens with you from there? You mentally so so you
Speaker 1: know you know that how how Detroit is. Absolutely he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the hood. That was the first thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people. He wasn't where the
Speaker 1: arena is now. Total situation. If the ring of where
Speaker 1: it is now that happened there, somebody would have really
Speaker 1: got hurt. But for the most part, I walked into
Speaker 1: a robbery. Like I said, this is my first year.
Speaker 1: They had just played in the Eastern Conference finals, so
Speaker 1: it was already Robert I had no no, nothing about it.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about it. I was cool with a
Speaker 1: lot of the Pistons players. So but once I walked
Speaker 1: into that arena that that year, I felt the tension.
Speaker 1: You can feel the tension, right so, and I know
Speaker 1: it's a big game. They just they just you know,
Speaker 1: they just wanted. Everybody's saying we're gonna get throwing them.
Speaker 1: So it's a big game. So I feel it and
Speaker 1: we ready to bust their ass. There wasn't no question
Speaker 1: we We were super confident, we wanted and he was
Speaker 1: busting the ass. So it's like forty five seconds left,
Speaker 1: we up fifteen points. I'm at the free throw line.
Speaker 1: I had jam aultivity to iron you can get your
Speaker 1: file back. And it's playing in my mind. Is he
Speaker 1: talking about something last year? Because nothing happened in this game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, something like, bro, you know,
Speaker 1: and at the round this time, you don't have to
Speaker 1: put no battering wrong back. He gonna do some crazy
Speaker 1: ship anyware right this time. Absolutely, He says it, and
Speaker 1: I hear him while I'm at the pre throw line, said,
Speaker 1: you look at the footage. We start running back to
Speaker 1: down court. I make the pre throw. I pushed wrong
Speaker 1: to somebody else's I go guard Ben. We switched so
Speaker 1: I can guard being just so wrong with file them
Speaker 1: so the clock will run out. We can get out
Speaker 1: of that. We're the best team in the league. Right now.
Speaker 1: We've seen him five. I'm guarding Ben bing gets the ball.
Speaker 1: I basically just let him go dra you know, the
Speaker 1: game over and let him store at the clock on
Speaker 1: out Ron comes from out of nowhere, Bro. I'm saying
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, Bro, and just files being way too
Speaker 1: hard to be up fifteen points with quarti five seconds level. Right,
Speaker 1: So a lot of people to know Ben just had
Speaker 1: a definite family, had jets lost his brother, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to play right, So just imagine that being
Speaker 1: on your mind, right, and you get yas right. I'm
Speaker 1: not for the world on national TV, a big gang,
Speaker 1: so being reacted like anybody should. Bro. You know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't mad at him for that, right, So we break
Speaker 1: it up. They don't get the fighting and nothing like that.
Speaker 1: The referees did a harder job. If me and you
Speaker 1: find somebody like that and they throw us out, they
Speaker 1: expect us to get off the court immediately, immediately another
Speaker 1: far reasons to to find us for more. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that we get exported off the court. Being
Speaker 1: stayed on the court fort by a good five ten minutes.
Speaker 1: He was throwing out and being had like six risk bands,
Speaker 1: so he kept throwing, and he kept throwing stuff and
Speaker 1: row right to the point where Ron was getting out
Speaker 1: of control, but Reggie had him calm. He kept laying
Speaker 1: down so after we get into it with them a
Speaker 1: couple of times, it's kind of calming down. A cup
Speaker 1: comes out the stands and Iron don't see the cup.
Speaker 1: I see it, and I see I see directulary of
Speaker 1: coming because I'm standing at that angle. Baron had his
Speaker 1: head up because he was laying down. He's just seen
Speaker 1: the direction it came from. So when he went, my
Speaker 1: attention was not to go up there and punch nobody. Brol.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in this. I've been in bar fights,
Speaker 1: club fights too many times. So if you look at
Speaker 1: my whole posture, I was in control. I ran by
Speaker 1: by twenty people. I didn't touch nobody, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So ran right up there and grabbed the
Speaker 1: wrong guy. So by the time I got up there,
Speaker 1: I was initially been the grab ron. And see this way,
Speaker 1: they don't talk about this why I feel like then
Speaker 1: he give us our money back and kind of reversed
Speaker 1: this ship because another bear was throwing the wrong face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the guy here. So that's why I reacted.
Speaker 1: Because he threw another bear, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and he was right in front of me, so I
Speaker 1: had to lay in my draft and let him get
Speaker 1: away with that. I respect that. I respect that I
Speaker 1: had to and and I feel that because I always say, um,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff happens to us as players. And obviously
Speaker 1: it's all about right protecting the logo and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, like protecting the integrity of the game. Like
Speaker 1: I get that, but I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: times stuff having stuffed things happened to us as players,
Speaker 1: and it gives fans almost like a right to continue
Speaker 1: to do things because they know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if you get suspended for thirty games, you
Speaker 1: get five millions of dollars. That person go home and
Speaker 1: they go to work tomorrow, they collect they paid check.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you are Joe gets suspended
Speaker 1: for what twenty games I think, or whatever his was,
Speaker 1: fifteen games. Ron gets suspended the rest of the season. Guys,
Speaker 1: you're taking money out of guys, out of God's family's moth.
Speaker 1: And these these fans know that, and they know absolutely,
Speaker 1: and they know they can get away with the things
Speaker 1: they get away with and what ends up happening if
Speaker 1: something the worst thing that happens to them, you band,
Speaker 1: you can't go to back to an NBA game. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not affecting my life one bit. That's some
Speaker 1: extracurricular thing that I'm doing because I enjoy doing it,
Speaker 1: whereas it effects our life. So I've always been a
Speaker 1: little on edge about that. You know, guys can say
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted to say to us, they can do
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do, and ultimately you get thrown
Speaker 1: out the game where you can't come back. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's fair. Yeah, yeah, And that's a tough situation
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you're still a man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think I think today,
Speaker 1: especially with everything going on and how people are starting
Speaker 1: to listen to to to our plight and don't and
Speaker 1: don't think that everything we're saying is a complaint. They're
Speaker 1: realizing that we have a lot of room to stand
Speaker 1: on for the things that we've been complaining about it
Speaker 1: saying all this time. I think if if the brawl
Speaker 1: would have happened today, the suspensiones wouldn't have been like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They would have looked at
Speaker 1: everything for the would have a fine tooth calm Okay.
Speaker 1: There at work, he got assaulted by a fan. First,
Speaker 1: this is how all this started. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They would have looked at it different, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: that I'll come would have been different. No, I think
Speaker 1: it definitely would have been different. And obviously that changes
Speaker 1: the entire complexity complexity of the NBA because now y'all
Speaker 1: have a great team. Even if you don't win a
Speaker 1: championship that year, you're coming back next year the following
Speaker 1: your Iran doesn't end up leaving. It changes things for Joe,
Speaker 1: it changes things for yourself. Like I don't think people
Speaker 1: really realize the effect that that brawl had on the
Speaker 1: NBA as a whole because the Star game, I'm an
Speaker 1: All Star Dred. If that don't happen, Charlotte, I'm All
Speaker 1: Star short. It completely changed the complexion of the NBA.
Speaker 1: But then so fast forward the following year, Uh, you're back,
Speaker 1: jos back. Ron gets suspended for the first thirty games
Speaker 1: um by the team. He comes back off the suspension
Speaker 1: from the team first thirty games, and he requestsed trade.
Speaker 1: He didn't say anything to y'all about no, and then
Speaker 1: but we felt something. We felt something because we'll see me,
Speaker 1: I got a relationship with him. So during that time
Speaker 1: I felt something because he has shot it was it
Speaker 1: was some kind of Smack DVD and Smack d was
Speaker 1: putting all the local rappers on. I think at the time,
Speaker 1: if he was rapping, you had to be on Smack DVD.
Speaker 1: So before the season, why we're working out. He came
Speaker 1: to my house and shot and brought all his rappers
Speaker 1: and shot of Smack DVD at my house. He wanted
Speaker 1: to use my house, right, so I knew his mind
Speaker 1: wasn't where supposed to be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We trained, you know what I'm saying, we supposed getting
Speaker 1: ready for the season. I knew. I knew his man
Speaker 1: was supposed to be bro So when he came, when
Speaker 1: he came and said that he wanted time off, I
Speaker 1: knew that was just the beginning, right. I knew he
Speaker 1: feel his with something way harder than that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it started from that till he's
Speaker 1: saying it is somebody on his family died to him
Speaker 1: being at the source of wards to him all of
Speaker 1: a sudden want to be trading, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: To me, that was just having a face not put
Speaker 1: my career on the line for you, bro. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I just met you, but I'm
Speaker 1: robbing you with my teammates. I'm riding with you like
Speaker 1: I've been knowing you my whole life. But for you
Speaker 1: to put me in jail this position and then turn
Speaker 1: your back on us, you know what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: kind of like God, damn, bro, kind of nigg is
Speaker 1: you absolutely no? And I think, uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: talking to him and him just saying like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: regret that. Uh Like that was one of that's still
Speaker 1: to the today one of my biggest regrets in life.
Speaker 1: And I understand it because you know, when I look
Speaker 1: back on that obviously totally different situation. But for me,
Speaker 1: when I like when I look back on Game five
Speaker 1: and getting suspended, which which ultimately cost us a championship,
Speaker 1: I don't regret. I don't regret reacting to Lebron stepping
Speaker 1: over me, you know, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm a man first. You know, You're
Speaker 1: just not gonna step over my shoulder, and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to react. I'm a man first. But I do regret.
Speaker 1: I don't regret it, but I do wish I could
Speaker 1: have a moment back. And the reason I wish absolutely
Speaker 1: I wish I could have a moment back because not
Speaker 1: only how it affects me, because by the way, if
Speaker 1: if that never happens, I would Finals MVP, and the
Speaker 1: whole narrative of everything is different at that point, like
Speaker 1: totally different. And so I wish I could have a
Speaker 1: moment back, not only for the Finals MVP before the
Speaker 1: other guys in the situation as well. You know, that's
Speaker 1: another championship for Steph Kurr, that's another championship for Klay Thompson,
Speaker 1: and we worked for that, you know. So I wish
Speaker 1: I could have that moment back, but in the in
Speaker 1: the same token, like you said, as a man, I
Speaker 1: get it. But um, moving forward, You're now host of
Speaker 1: All the Smoke. You were you were my big other,
Speaker 1: big bro Matt Barns, who I've had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: coming onto the show, looking forward to coming back whenever
Speaker 1: you guys are having me one of the best, if
Speaker 1: not the best podcast in the sports space. And what
Speaker 1: you guys have done, what's been the key for y'all
Speaker 1: to have the success that y'all have had from the
Speaker 1: very beginning, and it's continued to get better though, like
Speaker 1: the guests have continued to get better, and it's just
Speaker 1: constant with y'all. It's a well or machine. I think.
Speaker 1: I think one thing, bro, is we are who we
Speaker 1: are first, right, so the people we are knowing that
Speaker 1: we were emotions on o'cousleeve. Knowing what you see is
Speaker 1: what you get. With me. I ain't trying to be nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm not either take it or leave it. People respect
Speaker 1: that more than you know. So for me and Matt,
Speaker 1: we always treated the janitor like we treat the president.
Speaker 1: So we have we we we created relationships with people
Speaker 1: by just being genuine, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: we both were doing I was doing Fox and ESPN.
Speaker 1: Very few people have done that, you know what. I
Speaker 1: was doing both both networks. Then Mask start doing both
Speaker 1: to the point we're like, hey, bro, we're making all
Speaker 1: these other shows hot, why do we do our own?
Speaker 1: Um Matt had connections with Ellen Records and shot to Ellen.
Speaker 1: She's Um one of the creators of Red Table Talk,
Speaker 1: and she also was one of the creators of Oprah
Speaker 1: or Whimple Show. She had connections with Showtime. Matt sister
Speaker 1: came up with the name All the Smoke because that's
Speaker 1: all we do, and it it all worked out. She
Speaker 1: went to Showtime Brian Danny and Steve Espanoza was already
Speaker 1: looking to expand Showtime Basketball and we were have perfect
Speaker 1: faces forward and I just think our love has been great, bro,
Speaker 1: because I couldn't have I couldn't have said that it
Speaker 1: was gonna do this well. I wouldn't said that will
Speaker 1: be award win award winning show, a while winning podcast,
Speaker 1: and that will be on Showtime. But to be going
Speaker 1: to the Our Heart Awards again for the second year
Speaker 1: and to be what we had in the Path podcast
Speaker 1: has been a blessing, bro. What What's What's What's your congratulations?
Speaker 1: By the way, Number one, I think it's incredible for
Speaker 1: two black men, um former athletes to go into a
Speaker 1: totally different space and just dominated you know, and I
Speaker 1: think for myself, uh you know, J. J. Reddick Um,
Speaker 1: but a lot of other guys C. J. McCallum, a
Speaker 1: lot of other guys in the space are starting to
Speaker 1: catch on that. And you guys really paved the way
Speaker 1: in the way y'all have gone about it and staying
Speaker 1: true to who y'all all are. I think is is
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing? Uh? What what is? What is
Speaker 1: your favorite thing about the podcast? I think it's I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of a lot of basketball players, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of a lot of people in different
Speaker 1: walks of life. So if you look at a lot
Speaker 1: of our shows, like even like when it's especially one
Speaker 1: of the guests that I want to know, I won't
Speaker 1: say much. You know what I'm saying. I just let
Speaker 1: Matt because I really want to. I'm interested in knowing
Speaker 1: these people, you know, and I like conversation. Everything is
Speaker 1: really just a healthy conversation. But a lot of these
Speaker 1: people I'm fans of that we have on our show.
Speaker 1: So when I have what we have you on the show,
Speaker 1: we have stuff. Yeah, I know, y'all, but I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm having a conversation with y'all that i've never had, right.
Speaker 1: I'm learning. I'm learning, y'all. I'm getting to know y'all too.
Speaker 1: So for me, I love having conversation and getting to
Speaker 1: know my guests, you know what I'm saying, Knowing what
Speaker 1: they like, knowing what they think, knowing about their childhoods.
Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm the guests we have I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of absolutely. No, it's incredible. And do you do you
Speaker 1: have a guest, a dream guest that you would want
Speaker 1: to have on the show that y'all haven't had yet,
Speaker 1: because it feel like I feel like y'all had every
Speaker 1: fucking body. Yeah, no, no, No, it's a lot more
Speaker 1: people we gotta have. I think for me, my dream
Speaker 1: guests would be probably I would have to go Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 1: Wow for me right now, because I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dead. There's a lot of ones is not
Speaker 1: that's dead right now that I wish I could have,
Speaker 1: you know, Maka Evers or somebody like that, Um, Malcolm
Speaker 1: x um, some people like that, but alive, definitely, no question,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. I think. I think for me, I gotta
Speaker 1: I hope to get jay Z because I number one obviously. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is the pit of me of black excellence. He
Speaker 1: is you know when you look at a guy who
Speaker 1: came from drug dealing with you and I know far
Speaker 1: too well, we know a million drugs dealers coming up
Speaker 1: where we come up at. That's kind of like I
Speaker 1: remember playing in a in a civic in the Civiltani League,
Speaker 1: which was a recreation center in our neighborhood, and guys
Speaker 1: didn't play on the high school team because they wanted
Speaker 1: to play in the Civiltari League and didn't do anything
Speaker 1: else but wanted to sell drugs because that was the
Speaker 1: thing to do. Like you cool, you hip, you sell
Speaker 1: dope and you're playing the Civiltan League. That was it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so just looking at jay Z going
Speaker 1: from drug dealer to rapper to businessman too all of that,
Speaker 1: to the owner of an NBA team to his own age,
Speaker 1: like you name it. He's done it all from clothing, uh,
Speaker 1: spirits champagne, like he covers all the tracks. And I
Speaker 1: just feel like the game that I can soak up
Speaker 1: and the knowledge that I could soak up sitting here
Speaker 1: talking to jay Z and listen to jay Z a
Speaker 1: lot like the knowledge and game that I can get
Speaker 1: soaking up from you. That that's big with me and
Speaker 1: and Jay the goat, So I would he definitely to
Speaker 1: go and he always get dropping some gems. I got
Speaker 1: a gym from you that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever heard that he said that I that I've held
Speaker 1: with me over the years. That's why That's why I
Speaker 1: probably why I'm still rich and they can. Jay Z say,
Speaker 1: if you can't buy twice, you don't came afford it,
Speaker 1: and and that makes a lot of sense. And I
Speaker 1: I even think about that, you know, I used to
Speaker 1: think about that when I go out to clubs and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like if I can't spend ten thous
Speaker 1: on the section today and tomorrow. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need to be doing it. But
Speaker 1: that just that mentality to hear somebody like that that
Speaker 1: we both look up to, jay Z say things like that,
Speaker 1: where he had and where he comes from. You gotta
Speaker 1: respect that, bro. You gotta listen. You know, I respect
Speaker 1: little things like that when he comes like that. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's incredible. And I appreciate that because I
Speaker 1: you know, we all need them gems and just to
Speaker 1: keep keep on pushing with it. But in terms of that,
Speaker 1: I following in the name of the show all the smoke,
Speaker 1: which like you said, came from you know, you and
Speaker 1: Matt like the smoke the NBA. Recently, marijuana is no
Speaker 1: longer on the band substance list, and I know that
Speaker 1: was something that you guys have fought for for years
Speaker 1: um and and it's finally happened. Do you think, um, like,
Speaker 1: that's here to stay because it happened through the pandemic,
Speaker 1: right like, we're going through the pandemic. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not testing for marijuana right now. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's here to stay? With the progression of everything we
Speaker 1: now know about marijuana? And is that a good thing?
Speaker 1: Because I think you know, some guys, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: just face it, you and I both know some guys
Speaker 1: may abuse that. You know, maybe not, But do you
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing for our lead moving forward?
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a good thing because
Speaker 1: a lot of these medications that they pushed on players,
Speaker 1: and players are gonna start speaking up against a lot
Speaker 1: of those things and would rather be more natural. I
Speaker 1: think the reason why they stand on that side of
Speaker 1: because Sharon robertson the name right, she she she actually
Speaker 1: sat down and had a meeting with Al Harrington and
Speaker 1: they did the pros and cons, They did the good
Speaker 1: and bad about all these things, so they understand that
Speaker 1: it's more benefits than the negative size of it. Right.
Speaker 1: That's one thing too. It's big business. Now, everybody don't
Speaker 1: nobody want to be cut out the business, right, That's
Speaker 1: so it's always about business. But then you know, like
Speaker 1: with us, I mean to ask your first question. I
Speaker 1: just think if nobody gets to the point where they're
Speaker 1: abusing it. See the reason why I took so long
Speaker 1: while we were in the league, because it was guys
Speaker 1: like me that smoked my whole career, never missed the game,
Speaker 1: never was suspended, never got caught with it, because I
Speaker 1: did it the right way, right. I wanted smoke people
Speaker 1: to see, you know what, I'm I come, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: My street credit is one though, So I wanted smoking
Speaker 1: for people to say only Jackson smoking weed. I was
Speaker 1: doing to calm down, to be able to coat, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying with with these games and playing
Speaker 1: with injuries and stuff like that. So but it was guys,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys around the time getting pulled over
Speaker 1: with it. Fell and joy take doing big get doing
Speaker 1: playoffs and big games and just embarrassing the league. And
Speaker 1: that's what it took so long to get to this point.
Speaker 1: But see now the generation we have now, y'all respect
Speaker 1: the game better than we did a lot of y'all.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't see guys getting caught with it
Speaker 1: and pulled over and all that. And you don't see
Speaker 1: that as much as we did when we were playing, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we had to take some of those licks
Speaker 1: to what to be the way it is today. We
Speaker 1: understand that, you know what I'm saying. But to be
Speaker 1: able to be one of the guys that were speaking
Speaker 1: up to have the league to have the legal now
Speaker 1: with guys can if they're not feeling and they're not
Speaker 1: feeling well and they don't want to take a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of pills, they want to go on and smoke
Speaker 1: them with joint, they can do that peaceful. And now
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I was one of the faces and
Speaker 1: one of the guys to speak up for that. But
Speaker 1: as long as guys like you say they're gonna start
Speaker 1: abus nick getting pulled over, doing getting getting criminalized for
Speaker 1: in places that they shouldn't be with it and stthing
Speaker 1: like that, it should be fine. Yeah. Now I think
Speaker 1: so too, And I think, um, like you said, guys
Speaker 1: are just in a much different space. And I think
Speaker 1: a part of it is also social media though right,
Speaker 1: like we all know, you have to be more on
Speaker 1: your ps and queues than ever because in any like
Speaker 1: you just have to assume that all times you're being recorded,
Speaker 1: whereas y'all didn't have those same those same things, that
Speaker 1: those same pitfalls and things to worry about. Nobody's recording
Speaker 1: your every second y'all walk because camera phones weren't a thing,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and social media wasn't a thing, so
Speaker 1: news didn't travel as fast as it could. And so
Speaker 1: I think the awareness of that and understanding that definitely
Speaker 1: helps our generation as opposed to y'all. Um. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure, I've heard all the stories. I've definitely heard
Speaker 1: of speaking of which all right, and hearing all the
Speaker 1: stories like obviously I played with jay O my second
Speaker 1: year in the league, my O G and he would
Speaker 1: share all the stories about y'all and just going back
Speaker 1: to the Malice of the Palace, obviously we all saw
Speaker 1: that that was great, but y'all were actually getting into
Speaker 1: stuff that was way crazier than the malice at the Palace. Wait, crazier.
Speaker 1: I know you had a situation at a club that
Speaker 1: that didn't quite go the way you thought it was
Speaker 1: going when you went out that night. Uh, talk to
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that because the thing that
Speaker 1: people don't know, y'all was tough and hell on the court,
Speaker 1: but y'all were probably tougher off the court. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know, we all come from that demographic of where
Speaker 1: you had to be tough, but you was gonna get
Speaker 1: swallowed up. You know what I'm saying about your environment
Speaker 1: you had, you had to have a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think with me, I think, uh, the reason why
Speaker 1: I survived that, it's because my heart was in the
Speaker 1: right place and I was just being a lawyer friend.
Speaker 1: Like the two incidents I've been in in the NBA
Speaker 1: was me being lawyer to a fall. I'm leaving. We
Speaker 1: had a strip club and training camp. I'm men are
Speaker 1: leaving the club and we're about to go to another
Speaker 1: club because the strip club wasn't that pop and it
Speaker 1: was more men at anything. And and and as we're
Speaker 1: leaving the club, Jamal Tensey is running out the club
Speaker 1: and some guys are chasing them so out and see it,
Speaker 1: so Al kept going it ain't. I ain't that type
Speaker 1: of dude to see that and be like, man, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get no trouble and just keep going. That
Speaker 1: ain't in me. Bro, that's just not hear me. So
Speaker 1: I stopped, I backed up. I took my tool because
Speaker 1: we had just got my I just got my gun
Speaker 1: lights and I took my tool. I put it in
Speaker 1: my pants and I ran over there. And by time
Speaker 1: I got over there, there was getting you know, everybody
Speaker 1: to put the try to hit him whatever. So I
Speaker 1: I let off a couple of warning shots because one
Speaker 1: thing about me when it stuff like that going on,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get hit from behind and knocked out
Speaker 1: from the side of something like that. Again, stumped on
Speaker 1: the parking lot. So they had about twenty five guys
Speaker 1: with him, So guys just started coming out the club right,
Speaker 1: So I let off a couple of warning shots by
Speaker 1: find an air and as I did that, security grabbed me,
Speaker 1: like get to your car, jack, get out of because
Speaker 1: this was the club we always go to. Now that's
Speaker 1: what all I did, was go to strip club. So
Speaker 1: as I'm running to my car, one of the guys
Speaker 1: that they was with had had had already had plans
Speaker 1: on hit and hitting me with his car. So I'm
Speaker 1: running to my car. All of here is he peeling out.
Speaker 1: He's going from his parking spot to this little bit
Speaker 1: in a smart parking lot. He peeled up, going boy
Speaker 1: thirty miles power and he's coming at me. So I
Speaker 1: wasn't drinking, so my mind I'm thinking I I was
Speaker 1: quick thinking, I don't want to just stand there, let
Speaker 1: him take my lags, just run completely there with me,
Speaker 1: kill me. So I kind of turned my back drind
Speaker 1: hopped when the car got closed. I just hopped. When
Speaker 1: my butt was on the hood with my head hit
Speaker 1: the windshield and I flew in the aarp. From the
Speaker 1: momentum of the car, I land faced first. All my
Speaker 1: teeth come out, my lips are shadowed, and I'm just
Speaker 1: hitting the ground boom boom, boom boom from the momentum.
Speaker 1: But I stand right up right and I started as
Speaker 1: I stat up, I'm busy. But how the parking lot
Speaker 1: is for him to get out to get to the
Speaker 1: main street, he had to bust you. So when he
Speaker 1: busted you, his lights hit me dead in my face
Speaker 1: and woke me up. I pulled my gun out and chasing, wow,
Speaker 1: trying to blow us head. Wow. I chased. I shoot
Speaker 1: my last two shots, and I realized everything that's going
Speaker 1: on because my drin is all I was all drenaline.
Speaker 1: I just got hit by a car. I still right
Speaker 1: up and they got passed out. Boom. I wake up
Speaker 1: on the police called Markets Dames. They got me and
Speaker 1: Markets in the back seat him up because Markets was
Speaker 1: on the other side, and he held me down. He
Speaker 1: the only one held me down. Everybody out there got guns.
Speaker 1: Markets the only one held me down. So so they
Speaker 1: got they got us in the police car, but I'm
Speaker 1: knocked out. I'm on conscious in the police car. I
Speaker 1: hear him kicking the window. He think I'm dying because
Speaker 1: you see my mom just just blood just pouring out
Speaker 1: my mom with my teeth and on my lips shattered,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm unconscious, but he don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: breathing or not. So he kicking the car like let
Speaker 1: my point out that he died. And and as he
Speaker 1: kicking the one of the windows, I wake up. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And as I said that, I instantly
Speaker 1: feeling my mom. I'm like, oh fuck. So they end
Speaker 1: up letting us go because we had our gun license
Speaker 1: and the camera showed everything that was every everything that
Speaker 1: went on, and they wanted us to get out of
Speaker 1: the other before the camera put the news cameras came,
Speaker 1: which was love. They showed his love on all that. Right,
Speaker 1: So after that I had to go. I violated probation
Speaker 1: because I was on probation for the brawl. I ended
Speaker 1: up doing ten days and two in ten days. Some
Speaker 1: jail program in Detroit, violated probation in Indiana. All kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff. Well, I had to I had that night.
Speaker 1: I had to have plastic surgery on my lips with
Speaker 1: no anesthesia, bro for two hours, no anesthesia, cutting the
Speaker 1: skin off my lips, digging and debris and my mom
Speaker 1: and my and my lips and my guns for two
Speaker 1: hours with no anesthesia. And the reason why they couldn't
Speaker 1: add any because my lips were so swolled. If they
Speaker 1: were to add it, someth of my lips probably would
Speaker 1: have burst. That's I slept eight hours. As soon as
Speaker 1: he cut the last stitch I went. I slept through
Speaker 1: X rays in my eyes everything. I slept like eight
Speaker 1: hours straight because I was fighting pain for two hours,
Speaker 1: most pain I ever been in my life. That's insane, man,
Speaker 1: That's ask someone who playing the NBA. I can't even
Speaker 1: fathom going through It's just it's just not the way
Speaker 1: life is anymore for an athlete, you know, like, and
Speaker 1: I think David Stern did a lot of cutting that
Speaker 1: out right, like cleaning the league up and making sure
Speaker 1: nothing like that happen again. But that's insane, bro. But
Speaker 1: I know, I know you gotta go. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, but I'll be remissed
Speaker 1: if I didn't ask you this last question. Just like
Speaker 1: I said, speaking of our connective tissue, um in the
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, you came to the Warriors, had
Speaker 1: one of the best years here and I don't know
Speaker 1: what y'all was doing here, man, but the way they
Speaker 1: love y'all around here, it's crazy. I have to hear
Speaker 1: stories from Eric Housing about you guys all the time.
Speaker 1: He worshiped the ground you walk on. He worshiped the
Speaker 1: ground Matt walk on, Jay Rich Monte Al, that whole group.
Speaker 1: What was it that that out that team together? It
Speaker 1: happened at the deadline right like wasn't expected to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. What was it that brought that team together
Speaker 1: to put you all in a position of how the
Speaker 1: year that y'all end up having beating Dallas in the
Speaker 1: first round and kind of bringing life back to this
Speaker 1: organization because they hadn't seen anything, any winning, any sort
Speaker 1: of winning for years. Well, I think I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is something that y'ld highlight today with the team.
Speaker 1: Now we cared about each other, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: That that was big. I think I hadn't already knew
Speaker 1: me and Matt wi already beat. I mean I was
Speaker 1: already best friends. Man. I met out of a team.
Speaker 1: He was eighteen and I was twinning. I've been on
Speaker 1: bats and six team. I've been on Jay Rich for
Speaker 1: a while, and uh so these are a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that I knew. But we were all journeymen who
Speaker 1: were all guys that were still trying to get together
Speaker 1: to prove something. And with Indiana, that was my second
Speaker 1: time being in trouble there in a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Two years, say like, man, we gotta get rid of
Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, enough is enough, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So it was a blessing in the skies.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go because I just got traded
Speaker 1: back to Indiana. He just got traded back then and
Speaker 1: he just bought a house. So they but the only
Speaker 1: way for the trade to work was they had to
Speaker 1: put all in the trade and it was a blessing
Speaker 1: in disguise for all of us because things wasn't going
Speaker 1: right there. They didn't have a winning attitude there, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I think we we we brought a swag
Speaker 1: to the to the team that was needed. You know,
Speaker 1: Beatie was doing this thing, that Richards doing this thing,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have we didn't have identity. I think
Speaker 1: we came I then it became a scrappy team, and
Speaker 1: not that they don't look the best on paper, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna bang and they're gonna make you work every night,
Speaker 1: to the point where we got confident we started winning.
Speaker 1: I think we won nineteen out of twenty one, uh
Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs something like that. But
Speaker 1: I think we cared about each other, but our coach
Speaker 1: let us be us. It was there was a number
Speaker 1: of things. The city embraced it, like the city was
Speaker 1: was longing for it. Every night, Drede we was in
Speaker 1: in the city at some spot with all the regular people,
Speaker 1: Like the whole team were in the shirt off Bandanna's drinking.
Speaker 1: We end up just like regular people every night, but
Speaker 1: it's the whole team right. And I think the tend
Speaker 1: that the organization was losing for so long. Being able
Speaker 1: to beat the number one seed in the first round,
Speaker 1: it felt like a championship, right. It felt like to
Speaker 1: the whole Bay area, right, And and it just changed,
Speaker 1: It just changed everything to the point when y'all came
Speaker 1: to one, it just felt like it was dressed up
Speaker 1: for you know what I'm saying, and it's a great time.
Speaker 1: Nearly let us be us um quick story, Nellie, I
Speaker 1: was never captain on no team. Beginning to sit the season,
Speaker 1: Nearly asked me and Baron Davis to come to the
Speaker 1: bar and play shuffle board with him. Never played shuffle
Speaker 1: board in my life. Is not a black game, no boy.
Speaker 1: So he brings that were playing shuffle board. We drink.
Speaker 1: He gets us drunk off two bottles of Scotch and
Speaker 1: and and doesn't talk about basketball the whole time. And
Speaker 1: as he's leaving, as me and Beatie about to fall
Speaker 1: over on the bar, he tells, oh, yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: I brought you here to tell you all yall captains
Speaker 1: and walked out of the restaurant. Brow We're gonna get home.
Speaker 1: He got he just long side on us. Man he
Speaker 1: was the best bro. He allowed us to be us
Speaker 1: and we gave him all because he did not He
Speaker 1: didn't try to change none of us. And that's the
Speaker 1: best compliment I got from the coach. Don Nelson is
Speaker 1: one of the winning coaches ever. He's the compliment. After
Speaker 1: we beat the Maps, he was like, well, one thing
Speaker 1: about Stephen Jackson. If I had to pick a team five,
Speaker 1: if I had to pick my start in five, I
Speaker 1: wish I could have five Stephen Jackson. So that's something
Speaker 1: my whole deal to me. That's incredible, man. And I
Speaker 1: definitely know how it is to be in Oakland, and
Speaker 1: I love a show like I know with like I said,
Speaker 1: the way it was going, no winning and they can
Speaker 1: grab onto y'all and y'all as really as your y'all
Speaker 1: y'all are and showing them love, partying with them. I
Speaker 1: know how they grabbed onto that, because I know how
Speaker 1: they grabbed onto me, you know, and just show you
Speaker 1: that love and kind of just adopt you as one
Speaker 1: of their own man and steel back over there. We
Speaker 1: gave you gave that. Yeah, to win, it was cool,
Speaker 1: but that grit that is basically built off you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and it was it was easy for them,
Speaker 1: like that's what they was looking for. Absolutely know it's
Speaker 1: it's an incredible place, man, and they represent their their
Speaker 1: own like nobody else but Stack. Man. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on. Looking forward to coming back to all the smoke, bro.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, man, much respect and much love. I love
Speaker 1: for life, bro. Anytime you need me, you know I'm coming. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Wow. What an amazing interview uh with
Speaker 1: Stack Jack. Definitely want to thank Stack again for coming
Speaker 1: on as a guest. I said before, they obviously hosted
Speaker 1: me on the show, so to have him on the
Speaker 1: show is incredible. And just you know, when you're going
Speaker 1: all the smokes, they're picking my brain and asking me
Speaker 1: questions and so just to pick his brain and kind
Speaker 1: of get some of that history, uh, some of that game.
Speaker 1: I never take that for granted, you know. So when
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm having these conversations with these guys, I'm
Speaker 1: learning just as much as everyone out there listening, and
Speaker 1: I am enjoying it just as much, you know, hearing
Speaker 1: these stories, hearing these guys points of view. You know,
Speaker 1: they're a little older than me, so their time in
Speaker 1: the League and their era, and the NBA is a
Speaker 1: little different than some of the eras I touched, so,
Speaker 1: you know, just being able to take all this information
Speaker 1: in this game and it's extremely special. So again, I
Speaker 1: want to thanks stack Jack for coming on to the
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