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Hey, if you're new, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.640 just download the FanDuel Sports Book app. I did it 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.000 in fifteen seconds. Get started now sign up. Please use 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.279 the promo code Colin so they know we sent you. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.720 Please use the promo code Colins ceo l I in 0:00:50.880 --> 0:01:00.440 FanDuel sports Book App sign up wasn't Back to The 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.679 Draymond Green Show. This is episode five. We are starting 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.000 to run these things off and we are getting on 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.720 the road. We're also on the road of incredible defensive 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.839 wing guests had Andre Dalla, who's a teammate of mine 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.520 who I think is an incredible defender. I've seen him 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.800 give some of the better players that's been in the 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.280 league over in the course of my ten years. Havoc Wreck, 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:31.200 Havoc on guys, super smart, super strong, great lateral speed, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.200 great hands, good defender, metal World Piece who I think 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.199 it's probably one of top two, along with the guy 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.400 that I'm going to mention next that I've really played 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.319 against as far as the wind goes. I mean, metal 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.680 World Peace was just rooted into the ground, like you 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.360 could not move him, Like he's just rooted into the ground. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.480 And then our guests this week on this week's show, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.800 who was also a guy When I came into the league, 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.080 I was playing three and guarding me on the wing 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.440 and I'm like, oh my god. I try to drive around. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.480 He like hit me with a farm. I couldn't move. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.520 Stephen Jackson, you know, we had all these guys in 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.520 a row. I think it's great. Super excited about talking 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.280 with Stack jack hosts of All the Smoke along with 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.600 Matt Bars. Great podcasts they have they have going on. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.639 By the way, I was a guest on the show, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.919 had a ton of fun. They got a good thing going. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.600 So I'm seen extremely excited to have Stack Jack on 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.280 this this week's guest, just to really pick his brain 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.880 on being a second round pick, which he was like 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.640 myself on his journey through the league, his time with 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.240 the Warriors like I've had myself, his time in the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.680 podcast space like I'm now in myself. A lot of 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.120 similarities there. So looking forward to having stack Jack on 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.840 the show as we move forward in this episode. But 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.040 first we have a few things that we need to 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.000 discuss that's going on around the social Number one, I 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.560 think we all got to talk about Steph Curry breaking 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.600 the record to go such a beautiful thing. It was 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.639 so incredible being in Madison Square Guarden. I think when 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.880 you look at that record being broken, you always want 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.760 to do stuff like that at home. You get the 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.799 support of your home crowd and you know you're you're 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.600 just in your space. It's incredible. If you're not gonna 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.520 do it at home, I don't think there's any better 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:36.680 place to do it the Master Square Garden. And you know, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.280 sometimes stuff just work out. Most of the times when 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.760 things just work out is because it works out for 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.320 people that deserves incredible things because they are great people. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:53.240 And Steph Curry being one of the best people I've 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.840 ever met, I've ever been around. It's very fitting that 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.600 he have a moment like that, Like up the shot 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.800 doesn't go in in Indiana. No disrespect to Indiana, but 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.640 you don't want to break the record there, like you 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.200 just don't like there's nothing special about Steph Curry breaking 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.440 the record in Indiana other than he broke the record 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.640 in Indiana. He breaks the record of Masson Square Garden, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:25.320 And my wasn't special. I mean for starters for the 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:32.000 NBA to allow and and Masson Square Garden and the 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.040 Knicks organization to agree to allow. I think it was 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.680 five or six minutes on the clot maybe even a 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.720 little more once we took the file for for him 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:47.239 to have that moment, And my goodness, was that moment special? 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.960 I mean from number one. For me to share that 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.920 moment with him, to be on the court with him 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.000 when he broke the record was incredible. We've been through 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.320 a lot together my entire career. It's been my team mate, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.159 very special buyd we share. So to share that moment 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.640 with him with special, extremely special. That's just my point 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:14.840 of view. But you talked at the Garden, Ray Allen there, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:20.200 Reggie Miller there, Dell Curry there, all the stars there 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.920 were out at least Keys, Chris Rod, Tracy Morgan, Michael 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.919 straighthand I mean you go down the list like Pete Davidson. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.400 Everybody was in there to see that record go down 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.960 such a such a special moment, and for him to 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.239 have as much time as they gave him to take 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.960 that moment in to where it wasn't just like, oh man, hey, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.760 Steph Curry just broke the record, clap it up, everybody. No, 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.840 let's let's take a moment and embrace this and appreciate 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.679 greatness and what we just witnessed because it's a very 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:01.000 special feat by a very special talent it in person 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.479 and someone who's been a great steward of this game 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.200 and the way he carries himself, the way he represents himself, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.920 his family, the entire Warriors organization, the NBA as a whole. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.760 Kudos to the NBA, Kudos to T n T, Kudos 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.680 to the New York Knicks organization, ku kudos to Madison 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.120 Square Garden for allowing that moment to happen. I thought 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:31.400 that was extremely special, obviously well deserved. But let's talk 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.039 about this record a little bit because I I actually 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.120 saw although we were playing, I saw that saw the 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:42.159 clips of it. Charles Barkley and Kenney Smith discussing whether 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.200 they think the record would be broken or not. And 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.080 Charles Barkley obviously thinks this record to get so far 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.680 out of reach, as a lot of people think this 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:55.600 record will get so far out to reach that no 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.960 one will be able to touch it. Ever, I do 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.200 agree that it will. I think Steph Curry will end 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.719 up making well over four thousand three pointers, depending on 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.800 how long he plays, possibly five thousand, but I know 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.520 he'll make I think he'll make over four thousand three pointers. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:22.440 So now insane that that's a very hard record for 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.920 anyone to beat. But you also have guys like Trey Young, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.680 like Donovan Mitchell. You know, guys that are good shooters 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.000 and they're coming into the league. Averaging seven three pointers 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:42.920 a game is rookies. You know, Steph Curry today averages 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:48.520 eight point seven threes per game on his career attempts 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:55.920 the last three years or so, I'm almost positive that 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.560 he's over ten. I know for certain the last two 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.720 years and up from not mistake can the last three 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.360 or four years, he's over ten. Attempts a game, and 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.520 yet his averages at eight point seven a game, which 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.640 means before he started attempt to tend a game, because 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.000 he changed the NBA to where the three point shot 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.600 is so dynamic and everybody's doing it, before he started 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.760 attempt to tend a game, his average was probably out 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:26.120 about six per game. Which you had, really who you had, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.560 really who averaged a little over five per game. These 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.360 younger guys are attempting threes at such a high clip, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.480 at a high rate that the law of averages just 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:42.640 alone says that the record will be broken. I don't 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.400 think the argument, though, is whether the record will be 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.640 broken or not, because records are made to be broken, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.440 like that's just the nature of the beast. I think 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.520 the thing that significant here is a couple of things. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520 One is, whoever does break the record, we won't care 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.480 like we care with Steph Curry broke the record. And 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.160 the reason you won't care like you did with Steph 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.360 Curry broke the record is because the next person to 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.679 break that record, unless we it's Cannon Curry coming along 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.920 shooting like Steph Curry, I'm not sure we'll ever see 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.240 another someone else that can shoot the ball like Steph Curry. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.040 And so because of that, we won't care because when 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.440 someone break that record, we will all know like, yeah, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.520 he broke it because of the law of averages, but 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.120 we don't agree that you're a greater shooter than Steph Curry. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.559 And so I think the the argument here is is 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.920 not whether someone is going to break the record or not. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.440 It's two things. Number one, we won't care as much, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.240 and number two that whoever that guy is, you you 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.199 aren't better than Steph Curry. You're not a better shooter 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.679 than Steph Curry. And I think that is the argument 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.359 is it probably will because the three is just everybody. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.360 I mean, everyone in the NBA can hit a three 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.400 point shot. Now, whether you into that thirty percent or 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.400 forty everyone in the NBA can hit the three point shot. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.240 And that is all because of Steph Curry and Clay Thompson. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.040 But Steph Curry and the way he changed the game 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.440 with basketball, So would the record be broken. He's of 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.640 course gonna put it out of reach. But with the 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.120 way these young guys are coming in just launching threes, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.240 maybe I don't know, we'll see, but one thing I 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:35.160 know for certain, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter we've 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.800 ever seen, and probably the greatest shooter wherever we'll see. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.439 Speaking of last night's game, I know there was a 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:51.040 lot of attention around my tweets on the night before 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:56.839 and the day uh, and I saw a few people 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.400 which I responded to a few because I had nothing 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.800 but times and sitting the wait on the plane, let 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.480 us board the plane, and then actually taking off and 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.920 flying here and schedule being all jacked up. So do 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.640 you nap? Do you not nap? Like the whole thing, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.080 and so of course I was bored. So I looked 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.120 at a few responses and people are like, try one. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.200 I think one guy said, try try try going to 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.120 work every day of the week and still not have 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.920 enough money to buy Christmas presents or something like that. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.080 So you're complaining and you make this amount of money, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.640 And like I told him, hey, my man, no disrespect, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:42.559 but your problems are your problems, and my problems are 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.800 my problems. To be quite frank with you, you may 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.000 not give a damn about my problem, and that's okay, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.600 that's totally fine. The reality is is those are still 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.280 my problems. I may not care at all about your problems, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:03.240 but the reality is they are still your problem. So 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.400 the one thing that you and I both have in 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.160 common is we both have issues that we're dealing with. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.800 In your mind, your issue is way bigger than my issue, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.040 but that's your issue, that is your reality. Your reality 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.760 isn't my reality. So just because my reality isn't your reality, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.880 that doesn't lessen my issue because it's not your reality 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.080 or in your mind, what I'm dealing with doesn't come 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:40.600 close to what you're dealing with in your world. And 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.040 I told a few people that yesterday. It's like, hey, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.440 my issues are still my issues and your issues are 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.200 your issues. It's totally fine. But the issue was, we 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.360 finished playing in Indiana and we're supposed to fly to 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.640 New York. Playing is broke down. We can't leave the 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.000 night of. We go back to the hotel in Indiana. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.160 We have a ten o'clock flight yesterday morning, which doesn't 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.480 end up leaving until ten forty something. By the time 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.360 we landed in New York, I think it's twelve forty 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.079 is twelve thirty is by the time we actually make 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:21.360 it to the hotel, it's right like one. By the 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.000 time we make it to the hotel. Well, the significance 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.800 of that is we play at seven thirty, and so 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.480 now you're talking five and a half hours before a 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.680 game time and actually making it to a hotel in 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.240 the city. And with those five and a half hours, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.240 you know again we're arriving at to the first bus 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.240 was at three thirty, and you know you're headed to 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.679 the game. And so just the I was extremely proud 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.240 of our team and fighting through the adversity and and 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:56.239 beating a tough those next team, hard hard nos next team. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:01.040 Because it's already not ideal playing a game or night 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.520 before playing back to backs. It's just never ideal. That 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.720 second game of the back to back is always tough. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.080 You coupled that with traveling the day of and getting 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.560 to the hotel five hours before the game, and it's 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.160 nearly impossible to win a game. You then add on 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.240 the emotional moment of Steph Curry, Steph Curry breaking the record, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.760 and when you add on that moment, see, I've been 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.840 in games, high emotion games, whether it's Steph Curry, you 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.680 know when you have these things like Steph Curry gets 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.360 the day before a playoff game, he's given his m 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.000 v P trophy and then before the game, right before 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.600 the game, you know, he showed it to the crowd 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:46.520 day And that game is always very emotional, very hard 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.440 to win. If you I'd be interested in what the 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.880 stats are, but I guarantee you the team with the 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.080 guy accept an award, they don't win often. It's just 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.920 a weird game to play in. And so I said 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.000 all of that to say, with Steph Curry breaking the 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.480 record last night, the whole stoppage happening, all of the 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.080 things that went on with that, for our team to 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.240 stay the course, win the game, be able to focus 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.720 and lock back in, I thought that was a really 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.640 huge step for our team and just our focus and 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.840 our toughness and our mental toughness. I thought that was 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.520 huge for us to go out there and win that 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.400 game the way we did. Uh that that taught me 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.160 You're always learning about the guys you have with you, 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.000 and that taught me even more about the guys that 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.480 I go to war with daily. So I thought that 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.480 was very special because it was a lot going into everything. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.200 I mean, like I said, with the travel, with the record, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.240 you at the garden, all of these things you got, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.120 you kind of had everything working against us and we 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.640 somehow find a way. I thought, I thought that was special, um, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.520 and I thought that was a big win for us. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.840 And also and and and other news around the association. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:05.360 We had the talks of the NBA and the n 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.640 b p A discussing increasing player of testing. Obviously we 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.200 know it's been a crazy uptick into positive cases. I mean, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.160 you got your honest out. Now you have DeMar de Rosenhaal, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.360 you have zach lavine, now you have James hard now 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.480 all of these guys that are missing time because of COVID. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.720 The league is talking about ramping up the testing for 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.480 vaccinating and unvaccinated players for game and practice days, pretty 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.800 similar to what we went through last year, which was brutal. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.160 I'm not sure where it goes. Um. I understand the 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.920 league ramping up testing, if so, I must say, it 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.320 pisces me off a little bit. And the reason it 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:53.040 does it is because we were told you get vaccinated, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.239 the testing stops, and a lot of guys got vaccinated 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.280 for that reason, you know. And I think people just 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.280 need to be careful what you say and what and 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.600 how you go about getting people to do sad things 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.800 because you tell me you get vaccinated, there's no more testing, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.720 and how you're going to bring the testing back as 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.200 if I didn't get vaccinated. And part of my reason 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.040 for getting vaccinated was to not have on a string 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.760 it was testing that we went through last year. It's 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.439 tough to draw that one back, you know, And so 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.600 you just have to be very careful and how you 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.800 go about things. And so if if there's any part 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:41.280 of it that pisces me off, I understand why totally 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.639 get it, But that then becomes misleading information that was 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.520 given to me prior to me ever getting vaccinated. And 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.440 it really makes you look back at the Kyrie situation, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.560 and you know, I know a lot of people have 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:03.520 spoke about vote out on Kyrie, most of it being negative, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.080 and now you look back at the Kyrie situation, I 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.160 know he's sitting back like all these guys are still 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:17.320 getting COVID and y'all say everyone's vaccinated. What's like, what's 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.760 the issue? Why why can't I play? And especially if 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.400 we're going back to testing every day before practice before games, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.239 that puts you right back in the same situation as 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.960 everyone else, regardless of if vaccinated or unvaccinated. And so 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.600 I think that will be interesting. I know there's been 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.679 rumors about Katie and Kyrie talking more like Katie and 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.640 Kyrie are best friends. This whole rumor of like, oh, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:47.359 they're apparently back talking is utterly ridiculous. Is disgusting, because 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.840 do you think Katie and Kyrie we're gonna stop talking 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.800 because Kyrie isn't playing like their friends. Relationship goes beyond 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.080 the basketball court. So I thought that was disgusting. But 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.320 you know, and and just speaking on that, you have 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.960 to revisit Kyrie and what he's thinking and how he 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.280 feels and all the things that's going on with it 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.760 because of the situations that are going on in the NBA, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.959 with the COVID, with the positive tests, the positive cases, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.360 the testing now possibly about to come back, and all 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.720 of those things. So you definitely have to take a 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.240 peek back at the Kyrie situation. And if you were 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.520 someone who absolutely destroyed him, you may have to uh, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.119 rethink or recapt I know people in the media today 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.720 don't really go back and say, oh, it's wrong. They 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.439 just kind of move on to the next thing. But 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.280 you may need to go back because this is a 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.000 human being that we're talking about that's been drug through 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.480 the mud because of a decision that he made on 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.200 his body and what he wanted to do with his body. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.479 You may need to look back at that as this 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.560 news starts to unfold, because I think it I think 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.520 it's going to get very very interesting if this plays 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.320 out the way I think is gonna play out. So 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.720 we'll keep an eye out on that. But I'm really 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.560 interested in seeing how this plays out because the positive 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:11.760 tests has been ramping up. You had Toronto go back 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:19.399 to capacity in the arenas. Hopefully other teams don't follow that, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.080 but that's a big deal going back to fifty percent capacity. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.919 So a lot of things going on right now on 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.919 the COVID front. You know, we've been lucky knock on 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:37.919 wood to not um have any positive cases on our team, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.400 and hopefully, fingers crossed we can keep it that way. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.399 But it's getting really interesting right now on the league 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.080 on the COVID front. So stay tuned. We'll see how 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.280 this plays out. But I think I know how it's 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.480 gonna play out. We'll see, We'll see where it goes. 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.920 I want to welcome y'all to the Draymond Green Show, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.600 our next guest as a very special guest h We 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.399 we have a lot of connected tissue. UM and me 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:15.360 following in his footsteps, guy who came to this organization 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.199 the Warriors when it was down uh and had one 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:23.640 of the most incredible years in this franchise history, especially 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.760 up until that point, and did it all through just 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.280 bringing that toughness and that fire and that grit. Obviously 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.719 been that guy his entire career and entire life for 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.880 that matter, but a guy who I have the utmost 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:43.000 respect for. Incredible, incredible basketball player, incredible defender, one of 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.080 the toughest guys that's come to our league. Stack Jack 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.760 Stephen Jackson, what's up with my brother? Ain't glad to 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.680 be here? Thanks for having man and that that means 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.639 a lot coming from you made because what we were 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.919 able to do, we were able to start something, but 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.040 what you did take it to another level. Bro. And 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.760 I always tell people, I say, Jamond mind Grain is 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.120 a different version of us. He's more of a polished 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.720 version and he does more things. But like I don't know, 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.639 I don't know why, but you know, we had you 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.320 on our show and we talked a couple of times. 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:15.440 But the thing that the things you do and your size, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.159 it's like ten times more. I would say more wrapped 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.639 than Charles Barker. Charles Barder can score, but what you 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.800 do at your size. When I was in the league, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.280 it was being done by seven books facts. Sim Dunking, 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.320 I played with him. He was relying on big guys 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:37.320 to to to protect the paint, you know what I mean, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.800 and being a part of change in the game my wart. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.720 Thank you. I appreciate that man. That's you know. When 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.160 I came into the league as as a second round 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.040 pick like yourself. Uh, you know, you come into the 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.160 league and number one, you gotta get a contract. When 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.439 you drive to the second round, there's no guarantees, so 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.520 you gotta get a contract number one after summer league. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.920 These these days, guys don't even play some league with 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.200 the contract. But I went through all through summer league 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.720 without a contract, and my whole goal was just to 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.560 get on the team. And once I once I signed 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.320 my contract, I'm like, what's what is my goal now 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.320 in this league? And for me, my goal was to 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.280 create a path for guys in this league. And it 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.040 don't have to be scoring. Uh, it don't have to 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.760 be you six nine, sixteen, sixt eleven to play the 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.399 fourth position because that's always been my natural position, and 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.880 you know, I wanted to build on that and through 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.159 the success of our team. You know, I'm not oblivious 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.080 to know that the success of our team has also 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.920 helped and in my career and helped me change that narrative. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.919 But you know, it's a great feeling. But you know, 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.080 I want to talk about your career and the greatness 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.240 that you put out on this court. It's funny because 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.720 I had I had um. I was doing something with Meta. 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:53.520 Uh we had Metal on the show, and and I 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.720 was telling him when the two guys that I came 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.960 into when I came into the league, that I knew 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.719 right away, ain't no messing around with them. You're not 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.639 getting around them. They're weighs stronger than everybody was. You 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.480 and Meta and y'all were two wing defenders. And I 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.639 know I made a lot of news when I said, Um, 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.639 I'm the best defender ever, you know, And I said 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:21.760 that for two reasons. Number One, I feel like I am. 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.639 I believe that because of all the things that I 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.640 do on the defensive end, that it's not gonna show 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.800 up in the statue. You know, it's cutting that guy off. 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.800 It's helping on that. But number two, just to start 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:38.040 that conversation and drive the conversation to get uh, everybody 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.920 talking about the guys like yourself, like Meta, like Ben Wallace, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.880 like Bill Russell. No one brings us up when when 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.560 you're talking basketball grace because it's not scoring. And so 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:49.520 that was a goal of mine when I made that comment, 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.080 and and a lot of guys responded, what did you 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.200 think of that? When I said that, Well, if you 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.240 don't believe, who will? And it starts with you. I mean, 0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.800 I know every time. I never made a first team 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.159 All Defense or anything like that, you know, and I 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.639 know it wasn't because of my players because other things. 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.399 But I went out there and felt like I was 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.879 gonna stop everybody in and everybody every night. That's just 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.360 the attitude you gotta have as a defender. And that's 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.560 why we rare because very few people have the confidence 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.879 to go out there and feel like they can stop anybody. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.800 Right I have. I have been rung in my top 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.080 five defenders of all time because of what y'all do, 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.760 and y'all can guard all positions. It's very people at 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.320 y'all side that can guard one through five. I was 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.120 everybody board one through four at certain times and certain players. Right, 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:36.240 It wasn't all point guards. I can go at some 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.800 point guards, the big ones. I had them live the 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.920 smaller It was smaller phone because there was a little 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.480 quicker but Ron, you can put wrong on anybody at 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.280 any given time, at any given game, and he's taking 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.800 them out of the game. And and and that passion 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.400 that we have, bro, I think that's that that that's 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.320 instilled enough from where we come from. You can't be 0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:00.240 taught that. And it might be you know, like it 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.320 was snubbed in the second round too, feeling like we 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.639 always have something to prove. Yeah, I'm thankful that we 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.399 have that attitude, right, because that was our edge to 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.240 go on the quote, I got something to prove every night. 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.520 They still sleeping on me. So every night I'm coming 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.160 to I attitude that I'm the best, even if y'all 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.359 don't believe it, I'm coming I hit that confidence. No, 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.160 that's a fact, man, that's a fact. Obviously. You coming 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.080 from Port Arthur, Texas, which is a smaller city. Yeah, 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.399 and myself coming from Saginaw, Michigan, a smaller city. You 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.679 just bred that way, like you can't survive on the 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.360 playground if you don't have that mentality. You can't survive 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.040 at the rec center if you don't have that mentality. 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.360 So and I definitely have an appreciated But speaking of 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:47.520 of rhyme um, you two guys together in Indiana, like 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.760 I said, two of the better defensive, the best defendish 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.240 that I played against in my career. And obviously that 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.879 was really early in my career, my first year or 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.879 two that you guys were still playing, y'all two on 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:03.240 the same team in Indiana, locking guys up, Like, how 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.600 how did you feel? And obviously we'll get to what 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.040 end up happening, but how did you feel about that team? 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:11.800 Y'all to Jermaine O'Neil, Jamaal Tinsley, what what was your 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.840 feeling about that? Tim And where does this stack up 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.040 against all the other teams that you did play for? What? What? 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.960 What a couple of things happened? Mike Brown end up 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.720 guing there. Mike Bround was marked the reason I went 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.960 to San Antonio, I won the championship. That's my guy, 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.919 my favorite coach of all time. Uh and I know 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.439 you love Mike this way as well, and uh, he 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.760 ended up going to Indiana, And I told you I 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.080 had to go to Atlanta to kind of prove myself 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.880 again have the championship. So Mike, make sure that Indiana 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.720 was one giving me my contract and to give me 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.399 a chance, you know, to be the player that they 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.840 know I could be. Going to that team, drink, I 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.880 knew we was gonna win a championship because I looked 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.439 at the Rocks. And but for Donnie Wash and Larry 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.240 Bird to some of the best minds in basketball, to 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.800 think that I'm the missing piece, and for Reggie Miller 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.480 to say that I could be, I could be a successor. 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.680 He's willing to bring him in. This is a guy 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.320 that I can that I would love to take my 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.800 place when I retire. All those things to have me 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.919 feeling real confident about myself. So going there looking at 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.760 jamatow Nerono Test, Jamal Tinsley, Jonathan Bender, Scott Paul At, 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.880 Jeff Foster, I'm just looking at the Rocks like there's 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.720 no reason that we can't come out the East first 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.720 of all. Um. So I just went that confidence. But 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.800 man ran playing together on defense. We butted heads every 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.879 night because we both want to got the best player. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.480 And when we got the best player, if that person 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.320 scored one time, we are again let begin, let me 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.400 begin him, you know what I'm saying. And it kept 0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.400 us both I think every night, you know, we came 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.080 into the game thinking, Okay, even if I'm not guarding 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.680 the best man, I'm gonna lock this man up. So 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.200 after the game we can be like, well, I locked 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.800 mine up, you know what I'm saying. Most of the 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.680 most of nice, that's what what it was for that 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.080 short step of the season for the bral happened. But 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:52.720 those fifteen nineteen games, we showed everybody we were the 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.920 best in the league. That's that's beautiful. And I think 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.000 y'all did did as well. But you know, when you're 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:03.040 playing against a team with a great wing defender, it 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.040 completely mess like destroys the other team offense because most guys, 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:13.480 most teams, their offense is usually built around a powerful wing. 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.240 And so you got two guys that's taking taking those 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.880 guys out of the game. Then you fund them to 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.520 j O Young Jo by the way, who's blocking everything, 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.240 plugging the paint up. You got Jeff Foster clogging the 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.320 paint up. Y'all had an incredible team and then obviously, uh, 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.760 you know, a night and Detroit goes wrong. Um, you 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.520 know y'all had the brawl. Walk me through the brawl. 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.280 I know you started off kind of chill. Then you 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.760 see Matta going to the stands where you go, what 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.760 happens with you from there? You mentally so so you 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:49.400 know you know that how how Detroit is. Absolutely he 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.400 wasn't in the hood. That was the first thing. I 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.400 don't think a lot of people. He wasn't where the 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:57.160 arena is now. Total situation. If the ring of where 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.160 it is now that happened there, somebody would have really 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.040 got hurt. But for the most part, I walked into 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:03.960 a robbery. Like I said, this is my first year. 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.600 They had just played in the Eastern Conference finals, so 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.240 it was already Robert I had no no, nothing about it. 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:10.880 I knew nothing about it. I was cool with a 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.680 lot of the Pistons players. So but once I walked 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:18.280 into that arena that that year, I felt the tension. 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:22.440 You can feel the tension, right so, and I know 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.360 it's a big game. They just they just you know, 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.240 they just wanted. Everybody's saying we're gonna get throwing them. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.600 So it's a big game. So I feel it and 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.600 we ready to bust their ass. There wasn't no question 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.160 we We were super confident, we wanted and he was 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.640 busting the ass. So it's like forty five seconds left, 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.760 we up fifteen points. I'm at the free throw line. 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.280 I had jam aultivity to iron you can get your 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.320 file back. And it's playing in my mind. Is he 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.000 talking about something last year? Because nothing happened in this game. 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.960 You know what I'm saying, something like, bro, you know, 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:53.920 and at the round this time, you don't have to 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.120 put no battering wrong back. He gonna do some crazy 0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:01.280 ship anyware right this time. Absolutely, He says it, and 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.280 I hear him while I'm at the pre throw line, said, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.960 you look at the footage. We start running back to 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.400 down court. I make the pre throw. I pushed wrong 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:13.720 to somebody else's I go guard Ben. We switched so 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.840 I can guard being just so wrong with file them 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:17.719 so the clock will run out. We can get out 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.320 of that. We're the best team in the league. Right now. 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:25.480 We've seen him five. I'm guarding Ben bing gets the ball. 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.240 I basically just let him go dra you know, the 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.360 game over and let him store at the clock on 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.440 out Ron comes from out of nowhere, Bro. I'm saying 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.640 out of nowhere, Bro, and just files being way too 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.239 hard to be up fifteen points with quarti five seconds level. Right, 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.800 So a lot of people to know Ben just had 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:47.160 a definite family, had jets lost his brother, so he 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.480 wasn't supposed to play right, So just imagine that being 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.720 on your mind, right, and you get yas right. I'm 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.960 not for the world on national TV, a big gang, 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.840 so being reacted like anybody should. Bro. You know, I 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.200 wasn't mad at him for that, right, So we break 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.000 it up. They don't get the fighting and nothing like that. 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.840 The referees did a harder job. If me and you 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.120 find somebody like that and they throw us out, they 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.600 expect us to get off the court immediately, immediately another 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.680 far reasons to to find us for more. They're gonna 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.720 make sure that we get exported off the court. Being 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.000 stayed on the court fort by a good five ten minutes. 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.360 He was throwing out and being had like six risk bands, 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.080 so he kept throwing, and he kept throwing stuff and 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.640 row right to the point where Ron was getting out 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.040 of control, but Reggie had him calm. He kept laying 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.160 down so after we get into it with them a 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.560 couple of times, it's kind of calming down. A cup 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.480 comes out the stands and Iron don't see the cup. 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.120 I see it, and I see I see directulary of 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.200 coming because I'm standing at that angle. Baron had his 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.760 head up because he was laying down. He's just seen 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.040 the direction it came from. So when he went, my 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.520 attention was not to go up there and punch nobody. Brol. 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.920 I mean, I've been in this. I've been in bar fights, 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.560 club fights too many times. So if you look at 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.080 my whole posture, I was in control. I ran by 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.040 by twenty people. I didn't touch nobody, you know what 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.840 I'm saying. So ran right up there and grabbed the 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.400 wrong guy. So by the time I got up there, 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.640 I was initially been the grab ron. And see this way, 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.120 they don't talk about this why I feel like then 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.800 he give us our money back and kind of reversed 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.160 this ship because another bear was throwing the wrong face. Yeah, 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.560 and that's the guy here. So that's why I reacted. 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.400 Because he threw another bear, you know what I'm saying, 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:25.640 and he was right in front of me, so I 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.160 had to lay in my draft and let him get 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.520 away with that. I respect that. I respect that I 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:35.160 had to and and I feel that because I always say, um, 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:41.000 you know, stuff happens to us as players. And obviously 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.840 it's all about right protecting the logo and all of 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.720 that stuff, like protecting the integrity of the game. Like 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.280 I get that, but I feel like a lot of 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.040 times stuff having stuffed things happened to us as players, 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:59.080 and it gives fans almost like a right to continue 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.640 to do things because they know, at the end of 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:05.240 the day, if you get suspended for thirty games, you 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.640 get five millions of dollars. That person go home and 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.719 they go to work tomorrow, they collect they paid check. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.680 You know what I'm saying, you are Joe gets suspended 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.560 for what twenty games I think, or whatever his was, 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.960 fifteen games. Ron gets suspended the rest of the season. Guys, 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.200 you're taking money out of guys, out of God's family's moth. 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:31.200 And these these fans know that, and they know absolutely, 0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.520 and they know they can get away with the things 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.719 they get away with and what ends up happening if 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.839 something the worst thing that happens to them, you band, 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.319 you can't go to back to an NBA game. That's 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.800 not that's not affecting my life one bit. That's some 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.400 extracurricular thing that I'm doing because I enjoy doing it, 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.719 whereas it effects our life. So I've always been a 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.040 little on edge about that. You know, guys can say 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:55.759 whatever they wanted to say to us, they can do 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.560 whatever they want to do, and ultimately you get thrown 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.279 out the game where you can't come back. I don't 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:04.400 think that's fair. Yeah, yeah, And that's a tough situation 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.680 because at the end of the day, you're still a man, 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.160 you know what I mean. So I think I think today, 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.200 especially with everything going on and how people are starting 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.800 to listen to to to our plight and don't and 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.200 don't think that everything we're saying is a complaint. They're 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.120 realizing that we have a lot of room to stand 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:22.920 on for the things that we've been complaining about it 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.760 saying all this time. I think if if the brawl 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.759 would have happened today, the suspensiones wouldn't have been like that, 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:30.480 you know what I'm saying. They would have looked at 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.920 everything for the would have a fine tooth calm Okay. 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:35.880 There at work, he got assaulted by a fan. First, 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.040 this is how all this started. You see what I'm saying. 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.080 They would have looked at it different, and I guarantee 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.279 that I'll come would have been different. No, I think 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.760 it definitely would have been different. And obviously that changes 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:50.200 the entire complexity complexity of the NBA because now y'all 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.440 have a great team. Even if you don't win a 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.160 championship that year, you're coming back next year the following 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.920 your Iran doesn't end up leaving. It changes things for Joe, 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.680 it changes things for yourself. Like I don't think people 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.520 really realize the effect that that brawl had on the 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.759 NBA as a whole because the Star game, I'm an 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:14.319 All Star Dred. If that don't happen, Charlotte, I'm All 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.920 Star short. It completely changed the complexion of the NBA. 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.680 But then so fast forward the following year, Uh, you're back, 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.760 jos back. Ron gets suspended for the first thirty games 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.800 um by the team. He comes back off the suspension 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.120 from the team first thirty games, and he requestsed trade. 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:40.080 He didn't say anything to y'all about no, and then 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.239 but we felt something. We felt something because we'll see me, 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.879 I got a relationship with him. So during that time 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.800 I felt something because he has shot it was it 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.880 was some kind of Smack DVD and Smack d was 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.040 putting all the local rappers on. I think at the time, 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.600 if he was rapping, you had to be on Smack DVD. 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.120 So before the season, why we're working out. He came 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.720 to my house and shot and brought all his rappers 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.919 and shot of Smack DVD at my house. He wanted 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.319 to use my house, right, so I knew his mind 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.440 wasn't where supposed to be. You know what I'm saying. 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.919 We trained, you know what I'm saying, we supposed getting 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.080 ready for the season. I knew. I knew his man 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.080 was supposed to be bro So when he came, when 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.759 he came and said that he wanted time off, I 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.040 knew that was just the beginning, right. I knew he 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.120 feel his with something way harder than that, you know 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:32.640 what I'm saying. And it started from that till he's 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:34.880 saying it is somebody on his family died to him 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.200 being at the source of wards to him all of 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.560 a sudden want to be trading, you know what I'm saying. 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.200 To me, that was just having a face not put 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:43.759 my career on the line for you, bro. You know 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.560 what I'm saying, Like I just met you, but I'm 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.239 robbing you with my teammates. I'm riding with you like 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.400 I've been knowing you my whole life. But for you 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.359 to put me in jail this position and then turn 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.239 your back on us, you know what I'm saying that 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.040 kind of like God, damn, bro, kind of nigg is 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.520 you absolutely no? And I think, uh, you know, and 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.640 talking to him and him just saying like, Yo, I 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.719 regret that. Uh Like that was one of that's still 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.319 to the today one of my biggest regrets in life. 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.080 And I understand it because you know, when I look 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.520 back on that obviously totally different situation. But for me, 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.520 when I like when I look back on Game five 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.040 and getting suspended, which which ultimately cost us a championship, 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.160 I don't regret. I don't regret reacting to Lebron stepping 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.120 over me, you know, because at the end of the day, 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.120 like you said, I'm a man first. You know, You're 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.640 just not gonna step over my shoulder, and I'm not 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:38.560 going to react. I'm a man first. But I do regret. 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.200 I don't regret it, but I do wish I could 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.920 have a moment back. And the reason I wish absolutely 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.160 I wish I could have a moment back because not 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.440 only how it affects me, because by the way, if 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.759 if that never happens, I would Finals MVP, and the 0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:00.320 whole narrative of everything is different at that point, like 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.640 totally different. And so I wish I could have a 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.239 moment back, not only for the Finals MVP before the 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.600 other guys in the situation as well. You know, that's 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.480 another championship for Steph Kurr, that's another championship for Klay Thompson, 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.359 and we worked for that, you know. So I wish 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.400 I could have that moment back, but in the in 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.719 the same token, like you said, as a man, I 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:28.239 get it. But um, moving forward, You're now host of 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.960 All the Smoke. You were you were my big other, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.160 big bro Matt Barns, who I've had the pleasure of 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.440 coming onto the show, looking forward to coming back whenever 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.080 you guys are having me one of the best, if 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.279 not the best podcast in the sports space. And what 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.040 you guys have done, what's been the key for y'all 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.040 to have the success that y'all have had from the 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.480 very beginning, and it's continued to get better though, like 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:54.400 the guests have continued to get better, and it's just 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.399 constant with y'all. It's a well or machine. I think. 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.800 I think one thing, bro, is we are who we 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:04.400 are first, right, so the people we are knowing that 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.840 we were emotions on o'cousleeve. Knowing what you see is 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.640 what you get. With me. I ain't trying to be nothing. 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.400 I'm not either take it or leave it. People respect 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.239 that more than you know. So for me and Matt, 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.440 we always treated the janitor like we treat the president. 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.799 So we have we we we created relationships with people 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.239 by just being genuine, you know what I mean. And 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.200 we both were doing I was doing Fox and ESPN. 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.120 Very few people have done that, you know what. I 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.719 was doing both both networks. Then Mask start doing both 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.239 to the point we're like, hey, bro, we're making all 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.520 these other shows hot, why do we do our own? 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.120 Um Matt had connections with Ellen Records and shot to Ellen. 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.239 She's Um one of the creators of Red Table Talk, 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.080 and she also was one of the creators of Oprah 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:54.120 or Whimple Show. She had connections with Showtime. Matt sister 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.520 came up with the name All the Smoke because that's 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:01.640 all we do, and it it all worked out. She 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.400 went to Showtime Brian Danny and Steve Espanoza was already 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:10.320 looking to expand Showtime Basketball and we were have perfect 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.200 faces forward and I just think our love has been great, bro, 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.440 because I couldn't have I couldn't have said that it 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.440 was gonna do this well. I wouldn't said that will 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.600 be award win award winning show, a while winning podcast, 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.759 and that will be on Showtime. But to be going 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.160 to the Our Heart Awards again for the second year 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.560 and to be what we had in the Path podcast 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:32.560 has been a blessing, bro. What What's What's What's your congratulations? 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.320 By the way, Number one, I think it's incredible for 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:40.440 two black men, um former athletes to go into a 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.640 totally different space and just dominated you know, and I 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.440 think for myself, uh you know, J. J. Reddick Um, 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:49.840 but a lot of other guys C. J. McCallum, a 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.480 lot of other guys in the space are starting to 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:54.759 catch on that. And you guys really paved the way 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.440 in the way y'all have gone about it and staying 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.840 true to who y'all all are. I think is is 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.719 the most beautiful thing? Uh? What what is? What is 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:08.600 your favorite thing about the podcast? I think it's I'm 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.120 a fan of a lot of basketball players, right, and 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:12.840 I'm a fan of a lot of people in different 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.279 walks of life. So if you look at a lot 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:19.480 of our shows, like even like when it's especially one 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:20.919 of the guests that I want to know, I won't 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.960 say much. You know what I'm saying. I just let 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.759 Matt because I really want to. I'm interested in knowing 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.880 these people, you know, and I like conversation. Everything is 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.040 really just a healthy conversation. But a lot of these 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.000 people I'm fans of that we have on our show. 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.319 So when I have what we have you on the show, 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.719 we have stuff. Yeah, I know, y'all, but I'm but 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.680 I'm having a conversation with y'all that i've never had, right. 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.279 I'm learning. I'm learning, y'all. I'm getting to know y'all too. 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.759 So for me, I love having conversation and getting to 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:48.360 know my guests, you know what I'm saying, Knowing what 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.719 they like, knowing what they think, knowing about their childhoods. 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.120 Because I'm I'm the guests we have I'm a fan 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:59.320 of absolutely. No, it's incredible. And do you do you 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.080 have a guest, a dream guest that you would want 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:03.879 to have on the show that y'all haven't had yet, 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:05.879 because it feel like I feel like y'all had every 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.799 fucking body. Yeah, no, no, No, it's a lot more 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.600 people we gotta have. I think for me, my dream 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:20.560 guests would be probably I would have to go Dave Chappelle. 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.640 Wow for me right now, because I mean there's a 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:26.960 lot of dead. There's a lot of ones is not 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:28.719 that's dead right now that I wish I could have, 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:33.040 you know, Maka Evers or somebody like that, Um, Malcolm 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:39.000 x um, some people like that, but alive, definitely, no question, 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.000 that's incredible. I think. I think for me, I gotta 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:48.480 I hope to get jay Z because I number one obviously. Uh. 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.560 He is the pit of me of black excellence. He 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.080 is you know when you look at a guy who 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.719 came from drug dealing with you and I know far 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.400 too well, we know a million drugs dealers coming up 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.680 where we come up at. That's kind of like I 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.480 remember playing in a in a civic in the Civiltani League, 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.480 which was a recreation center in our neighborhood, and guys 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.680 didn't play on the high school team because they wanted 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.440 to play in the Civiltari League and didn't do anything 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.200 else but wanted to sell drugs because that was the 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.439 thing to do. Like you cool, you hip, you sell 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.160 dope and you're playing the Civiltan League. That was it, 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.520 you know. And so just looking at jay Z going 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:34.880 from drug dealer to rapper to businessman too all of that, 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.479 to the owner of an NBA team to his own age, 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.680 like you name it. He's done it all from clothing, uh, 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:47.320 spirits champagne, like he covers all the tracks. And I 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.160 just feel like the game that I can soak up 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.920 and the knowledge that I could soak up sitting here 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:54.759 talking to jay Z and listen to jay Z a 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.560 lot like the knowledge and game that I can get 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.360 soaking up from you. That that's big with me and 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.759 and Jay the goat, So I would he definitely to 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.520 go and he always get dropping some gems. I got 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.400 a gym from you that I don't know if you 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.120 ever heard that he said that I that I've held 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:13.920 with me over the years. That's why That's why I 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.480 probably why I'm still rich and they can. Jay Z say, 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:21.120 if you can't buy twice, you don't came afford it, 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:24.840 and and that makes a lot of sense. And I 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.759 I even think about that, you know, I used to 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.000 think about that when I go out to clubs and 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.359 stuff like that, like if I can't spend ten thous 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.960 on the section today and tomorrow. You know what I'm saying, 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.640 I don't. I don't need to be doing it. But 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.800 that just that mentality to hear somebody like that that 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.000 we both look up to, jay Z say things like that, 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.640 where he had and where he comes from. You gotta 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.880 respect that, bro. You gotta listen. You know, I respect 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.000 little things like that when he comes like that. No, 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.840 it's it's it's incredible. And I appreciate that because I 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:56.480 you know, we all need them gems and just to 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.279 keep keep on pushing with it. But in terms of that, 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.400 I following in the name of the show all the smoke, 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:06.000 which like you said, came from you know, you and 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:11.200 Matt like the smoke the NBA. Recently, marijuana is no 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.320 longer on the band substance list, and I know that 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.040 was something that you guys have fought for for years 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:22.800 um and and it's finally happened. Do you think, um, like, 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.759 that's here to stay because it happened through the pandemic, 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.359 right like, we're going through the pandemic. It's like, hey, 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.480 we're not testing for marijuana right now. Do you think 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.480 that's here to stay? With the progression of everything we 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.600 now know about marijuana? And is that a good thing? 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.160 Because I think you know, some guys, I mean, let's 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.520 just face it, you and I both know some guys 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.360 may abuse that. You know, maybe not, But do you 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.680 think that's a good thing for our lead moving forward? 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:48.920 I think it's I think it's a good thing because 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.240 a lot of these medications that they pushed on players, 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.040 and players are gonna start speaking up against a lot 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.920 of those things and would rather be more natural. I 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.080 think the reason why they stand on that side of 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:03.160 because Sharon robertson the name right, she she she actually 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.040 sat down and had a meeting with Al Harrington and 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.399 they did the pros and cons, They did the good 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:11.000 and bad about all these things, so they understand that 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.440 it's more benefits than the negative size of it. Right. 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:18.399 That's one thing too. It's big business. Now, everybody don't 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.640 nobody want to be cut out the business, right, That's 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.120 so it's always about business. But then you know, like 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.520 with us, I mean to ask your first question. I 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.680 just think if nobody gets to the point where they're 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.560 abusing it. See the reason why I took so long 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.239 while we were in the league, because it was guys 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.080 like me that smoked my whole career, never missed the game, 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.160 never was suspended, never got caught with it, because I 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.799 did it the right way, right. I wanted smoke people 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.680 to see, you know what, I'm I come, I'm I'm 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.760 My street credit is one though, So I wanted smoking 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.200 for people to say only Jackson smoking weed. I was 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.520 doing to calm down, to be able to coat, you 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:51.439 know what I'm saying with with these games and playing 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:55.680 with injuries and stuff like that. So but it was guys, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.200 a lot of guys around the time getting pulled over 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.440 with it. Fell and joy take doing big get doing 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.200 playoffs and big games and just embarrassing the league. And 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:04.960 that's what it took so long to get to this point. 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.960 But see now the generation we have now, y'all respect 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.480 the game better than we did a lot of y'all. 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:12.040 You know, you don't see guys getting caught with it 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:13.919 and pulled over and all that. And you don't see 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:17.000 that as much as we did when we were playing, right, yeah, 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:18.760 we we we had to take some of those licks 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:21.279 to what to be the way it is today. We 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.560 understand that, you know what I'm saying. But to be 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.400 able to be one of the guys that were speaking 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.440 up to have the league to have the legal now 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.880 with guys can if they're not feeling and they're not 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.399 feeling well and they don't want to take a whole 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:32.680 bunch of pills, they want to go on and smoke 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:34.319 them with joint, they can do that peaceful. And now 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.080 I'm glad that I was one of the faces and 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:37.840 one of the guys to speak up for that. But 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.160 as long as guys like you say they're gonna start 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:44.120 abus nick getting pulled over, doing getting getting criminalized for 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.600 in places that they shouldn't be with it and stthing 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.919 like that, it should be fine. Yeah. Now I think 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:53.040 so too, And I think, um, like you said, guys 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.080 are just in a much different space. And I think 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.400 a part of it is also social media though right, 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.880 like we all know, you have to be more on 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.960 your ps and queues than ever because in any like 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.640 you just have to assume that all times you're being recorded, 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.840 whereas y'all didn't have those same those same things, that 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.360 those same pitfalls and things to worry about. Nobody's recording 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.759 your every second y'all walk because camera phones weren't a thing, 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:20.640 you know, um, and social media wasn't a thing, so 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.600 news didn't travel as fast as it could. And so 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.960 I think the awareness of that and understanding that definitely 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:33.479 helps our generation as opposed to y'all. Um. Yeah, for sure, 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.640 for sure, I've heard all the stories. I've definitely heard 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.800 of speaking of which all right, and hearing all the 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.600 stories like obviously I played with jay O my second 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.120 year in the league, my O G and he would 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:51.120 share all the stories about y'all and just going back 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.200 to the Malice of the Palace, obviously we all saw 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.919 that that was great, but y'all were actually getting into 0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:00.960 stuff that was way crazier than the malice at the Palace. Wait, crazier. 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:05.160 I know you had a situation at a club that 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:09.960 that didn't quite go the way you thought it was 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.440 going when you went out that night. Uh, talk to 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.200 us a little bit about that because the thing that 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.719 people don't know, y'all was tough and hell on the court, 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.799 but y'all were probably tougher off the court. Yeah, because 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:23.719 you know, we all come from that demographic of where 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:25.200 you had to be tough, but you was gonna get 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.680 swallowed up. You know what I'm saying about your environment 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:29.640 you had, you had to have a chip on your shoulder. 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:33.440 I think with me, I think, uh, the reason why 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:38.120 I survived that, it's because my heart was in the 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:39.959 right place and I was just being a lawyer friend. 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:42.600 Like the two incidents I've been in in the NBA 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.759 was me being lawyer to a fall. I'm leaving. We 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:47.759 had a strip club and training camp. I'm men are 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:49.560 leaving the club and we're about to go to another 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.320 club because the strip club wasn't that pop and it 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:55.640 was more men at anything. And and and as we're 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.239 leaving the club, Jamal Tensey is running out the club 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.360 and some guys are chasing them so out and see it, 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.719 so Al kept going it ain't. I ain't that type 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:07.759 of dude to see that and be like, man, I 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.920 ain't gonna get no trouble and just keep going. That 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.880 ain't in me. Bro, that's just not hear me. So 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:16.239 I stopped, I backed up. I took my tool because 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:17.640 we had just got my I just got my gun 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.080 lights and I took my tool. I put it in 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.960 my pants and I ran over there. And by time 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:23.760 I got over there, there was getting you know, everybody 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:25.080 to put the try to hit him whatever. So I 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.400 I let off a couple of warning shots because one 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.560 thing about me when it stuff like that going on, 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.399 I'm not gonna get hit from behind and knocked out 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.320 from the side of something like that. Again, stumped on 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.799 the parking lot. So they had about twenty five guys 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:42.120 with him, So guys just started coming out the club right, 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.120 So I let off a couple of warning shots by 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.960 find an air and as I did that, security grabbed me, 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.279 like get to your car, jack, get out of because 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.960 this was the club we always go to. Now that's 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.880 what all I did, was go to strip club. So 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.359 as I'm running to my car, one of the guys 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.600 that they was with had had had already had plans 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.279 on hit and hitting me with his car. So I'm 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.000 running to my car. All of here is he peeling out. 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:07.960 He's going from his parking spot to this little bit 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.680 in a smart parking lot. He peeled up, going boy 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.759 thirty miles power and he's coming at me. So I 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.719 wasn't drinking, so my mind I'm thinking I I was 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.360 quick thinking, I don't want to just stand there, let 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.320 him take my lags, just run completely there with me, 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.319 kill me. So I kind of turned my back drind 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.520 hopped when the car got closed. I just hopped. When 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.799 my butt was on the hood with my head hit 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.080 the windshield and I flew in the aarp. From the 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:34.040 momentum of the car, I land faced first. All my 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:37.360 teeth come out, my lips are shadowed, and I'm just 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.160 hitting the ground boom boom, boom boom from the momentum. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.480 But I stand right up right and I started as 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.879 I stat up, I'm busy. But how the parking lot 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.040 is for him to get out to get to the 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.520 main street, he had to bust you. So when he 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:53.399 busted you, his lights hit me dead in my face 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:57.000 and woke me up. I pulled my gun out and chasing, wow, 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:00.720 trying to blow us head. Wow. I chased. I shoot 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.080 my last two shots, and I realized everything that's going 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:05.080 on because my drin is all I was all drenaline. 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:07.040 I just got hit by a car. I still right 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.719 up and they got passed out. Boom. I wake up 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.440 on the police called Markets Dames. They got me and 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.200 Markets in the back seat him up because Markets was 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.200 on the other side, and he held me down. He 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.600 the only one held me down. Everybody out there got guns. 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.960 Markets the only one held me down. So so they 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.320 got they got us in the police car, but I'm 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.719 knocked out. I'm on conscious in the police car. I 0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:31.600 hear him kicking the window. He think I'm dying because 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.759 you see my mom just just blood just pouring out 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:35.640 my mom with my teeth and on my lips shattered, 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.239 and I'm I'm unconscious, but he don't know if I'm 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.000 breathing or not. So he kicking the car like let 0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:43.000 my point out that he died. And and as he 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:46.000 kicking the one of the windows, I wake up. I'm like, bro, 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.480 what's going on? And as I said that, I instantly 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.600 feeling my mom. I'm like, oh fuck. So they end 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.720 up letting us go because we had our gun license 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.400 and the camera showed everything that was every everything that 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.440 went on, and they wanted us to get out of 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.480 the other before the camera put the news cameras came, 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.400 which was love. They showed his love on all that. Right, 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:11.200 So after that I had to go. I violated probation 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.600 because I was on probation for the brawl. I ended 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:16.320 up doing ten days and two in ten days. Some 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:20.640 jail program in Detroit, violated probation in Indiana. All kinds 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.560 of stuff. Well, I had to I had that night. 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.759 I had to have plastic surgery on my lips with 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:31.719 no anesthesia, bro for two hours, no anesthesia, cutting the 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.799 skin off my lips, digging and debris and my mom 0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.719 and my and my lips and my guns for two 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.520 hours with no anesthesia. And the reason why they couldn't 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:41.960 add any because my lips were so swolled. If they 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.399 were to add it, someth of my lips probably would 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:47.239 have burst. That's I slept eight hours. As soon as 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.640 he cut the last stitch I went. I slept through 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.680 X rays in my eyes everything. I slept like eight 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.720 hours straight because I was fighting pain for two hours, 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.080 most pain I ever been in my life. That's insane, man, 0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:02.080 That's ask someone who playing the NBA. I can't even 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:05.640 fathom going through It's just it's just not the way 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:10.120 life is anymore for an athlete, you know, like, and 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.160 I think David Stern did a lot of cutting that 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.879 out right, like cleaning the league up and making sure 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:18.279 nothing like that happen again. But that's insane, bro. But 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:20.919 I know, I know you gotta go. Like I said, 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.200 I appreciate you taking the time, but I'll be remissed 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.160 if I didn't ask you this last question. Just like 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.360 I said, speaking of our connective tissue, um in the 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:34.239 beginning of the show, you came to the Warriors, had 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.360 one of the best years here and I don't know 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:41.120 what y'all was doing here, man, but the way they 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.480 love y'all around here, it's crazy. I have to hear 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:49.239 stories from Eric Housing about you guys all the time. 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.719 He worshiped the ground you walk on. He worshiped the 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.959 ground Matt walk on, Jay Rich Monte Al, that whole group. 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.360 What was it that that out that team together? It 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:05.080 happened at the deadline right like wasn't expected to make 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.480 the playoffs. What was it that brought that team together 0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:09.880 to put you all in a position of how the 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.320 year that y'all end up having beating Dallas in the 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:15.960 first round and kind of bringing life back to this 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:20.040 organization because they hadn't seen anything, any winning, any sort 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.920 of winning for years. Well, I think I think the 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.479 biggest thing is something that y'ld highlight today with the team. 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.640 Now we cared about each other, you know what I'm saying? 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:32.319 That that was big. I think I hadn't already knew 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.480 me and Matt wi already beat. I mean I was 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:36.680 already best friends. Man. I met out of a team. 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:38.719 He was eighteen and I was twinning. I've been on 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.719 bats and six team. I've been on Jay Rich for 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.840 a while, and uh so these are a lot of 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.120 guys that I knew. But we were all journeymen who 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:49.080 were all guys that were still trying to get together 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.440 to prove something. And with Indiana, that was my second 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.719 time being in trouble there in a year and a half. 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:56.440 Two years, say like, man, we gotta get rid of 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.680 this guy. I mean, enough is enough, you know what 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:00.440 I mean? So it was a blessing in the skies. 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.280 I didn't want to go because I just got traded 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.040 back to Indiana. He just got traded back then and 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.279 he just bought a house. So they but the only 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:09.840 way for the trade to work was they had to 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:13.000 put all in the trade and it was a blessing 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:15.279 in disguise for all of us because things wasn't going 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.560 right there. They didn't have a winning attitude there, you know, 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.560 and and I think we we we brought a swag 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:25.000 to the to the team that was needed. You know, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.000 Beatie was doing this thing, that Richards doing this thing, 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.040 but they didn't have we didn't have identity. I think 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.160 we came I then it became a scrappy team, and 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.880 not that they don't look the best on paper, but 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:38.120 they're gonna bang and they're gonna make you work every night, 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.560 to the point where we got confident we started winning. 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:42.960 I think we won nineteen out of twenty one, uh 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.240 to make it to the playoffs something like that. But 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.360 I think we cared about each other, but our coach 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.240 let us be us. It was there was a number 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.160 of things. The city embraced it, like the city was 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.320 was longing for it. Every night, Drede we was in 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.160 in the city at some spot with all the regular people, 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:03.040 Like the whole team were in the shirt off Bandanna's drinking. 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:06.280 We end up just like regular people every night, but 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:11.160 it's the whole team right. And I think the tend 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.440 that the organization was losing for so long. Being able 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.160 to beat the number one seed in the first round, 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:20.000 it felt like a championship, right. It felt like to 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.000 the whole Bay area, right, And and it just changed, 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:25.960 It just changed everything to the point when y'all came 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.440 to one, it just felt like it was dressed up 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:32.040 for you know what I'm saying, and it's a great time. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:36.920 Nearly let us be us um quick story, Nellie, I 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.200 was never captain on no team. Beginning to sit the season, 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:41.800 Nearly asked me and Baron Davis to come to the 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.200 bar and play shuffle board with him. Never played shuffle 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.720 board in my life. Is not a black game, no boy. 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.000 So he brings that were playing shuffle board. We drink. 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:52.920 He gets us drunk off two bottles of Scotch and 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.720 and and doesn't talk about basketball the whole time. And 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.160 as he's leaving, as me and Beatie about to fall 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.280 over on the bar, he tells, oh, yeah, by the way, 0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:04.280 I brought you here to tell you all yall captains 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.840 and walked out of the restaurant. Brow We're gonna get home. 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.000 He got he just long side on us. Man he 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:15.360 was the best bro. He allowed us to be us 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.560 and we gave him all because he did not He 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:20.160 didn't try to change none of us. And that's the 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.000 best compliment I got from the coach. Don Nelson is 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.120 one of the winning coaches ever. He's the compliment. After 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.920 we beat the Maps, he was like, well, one thing 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:31.880 about Stephen Jackson. If I had to pick a team five, 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:33.360 if I had to pick my start in five, I 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:35.360 wish I could have five Stephen Jackson. So that's something 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.840 my whole deal to me. That's incredible, man. And I 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.520 definitely know how it is to be in Oakland, and 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:46.080 I love a show like I know with like I said, 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.360 the way it was going, no winning and they can 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.600 grab onto y'all and y'all as really as your y'all 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:56.720 y'all are and showing them love, partying with them. I 0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:58.800 know how they grabbed onto that, because I know how 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.520 they grabbed onto me, you know, and just show you 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:04.320 that love and kind of just adopt you as one 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.680 of their own man and steel back over there. We 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.760 gave you gave that. Yeah, to win, it was cool, 1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:14.320 but that grit that is basically built off you know 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:16.840 what I'm saying, and it was it was easy for them, 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:19.720 like that's what they was looking for. Absolutely know it's 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.680 it's an incredible place, man, and they represent their their 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:26.000 own like nobody else but Stack. Man. I appreciate you 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.120 coming on. Looking forward to coming back to all the smoke, bro. 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:32.640 Thanks again, man, much respect and much love. I love 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.920 for life, bro. Anytime you need me, you know I'm coming. Man. Well, 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:43.080 I appreciate you. Wow. What an amazing interview uh with 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.320 Stack Jack. Definitely want to thank Stack again for coming 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.960 on as a guest. I said before, they obviously hosted 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.040 me on the show, so to have him on the 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:54.720 show is incredible. And just you know, when you're going 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:58.200 all the smokes, they're picking my brain and asking me 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:00.840 questions and so just to pick his brain and kind 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:03.840 of get some of that history, uh, some of that game. 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.120 I never take that for granted, you know. So when 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.160 I'm when I'm having these conversations with these guys, I'm 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:14.760 learning just as much as everyone out there listening, and 1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:18.080 I am enjoying it just as much, you know, hearing 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:21.280 these stories, hearing these guys points of view. You know, 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:23.160 they're a little older than me, so their time in 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:25.400 the League and their era, and the NBA is a 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.680 little different than some of the eras I touched, so, 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:31.080 you know, just being able to take all this information 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.920 in this game and it's extremely special. So again, I 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.680 want to thanks stack Jack for coming on to the 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:40.320 Draymond Green Show. That's gonna be a rap for this week. 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:44.560 Looking forward to everybody tuning in next week. Make sure 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.480 y'all continue to subscribe, check out the Draymond Green Show 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:52.000 on the volume that that's a rap for episode five. 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:57.680 Tune in next week. But while y'all at it, circle 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.160 back through and keep checking that game out of Give 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:02.720 me y'all much love, Draymond Green show Piece