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Speaker 1: Hill riot earlier this month, Apple has banned the fast

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Speaker 1: next for Parlor, social media path that has offered conservatives

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Speaker 1: they do. I would say, keep visiting parlor dot com.

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Speaker 1: And of course, when we are up and running, we're

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Speaker 1: going to make an announcement to that effect, and we

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Speaker 1: assume that freedom of expression this country won't be clamped

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Speaker 1: to hear the announcement when we make it. That's great,

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Speaker 1: and then people will be able to hopefully to rejoin

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Speaker 1: so we definitely welcome again people of all viewpoints please

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Speaker 1: actually Trump supporters, but we do believe in his right

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Well, listen, I really appreciate your taking the time,

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Speaker 1: and once you guys are back up and running and

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Speaker 1: you're ready to receive people, let us know and we

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Speaker 1: will make sure to send it out to all of

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Speaker 1: our various internet based relationships. I sure will thank you.

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