WEBVTT - Google Glass and Privacy 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:06.000 Get in touch with technologies with text Stuff from howstuffooks 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:15.200 dot com. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.080 My name is Jonathan Strickland, and I am one of 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.680 the two hosts of this show. And my name is 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.440 Lauren Volkelbaum. I am the second of the empirical two 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.480 hosts of this show. That's right, it's a precise number, exactly. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.120 We aren't. We aren't firm on all the details all 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.559 the time, but this much we know. There are two 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.800 hosts and we are here. Three there shall not be. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.240 Three is one too many. Four is right out right out. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.120 So today we wanted to talk a little bit about 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:48.000 an interesting concern that was brought to our attention. So 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.199 Google Glass. You know what Google glass is. You've heard 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.400 of Google glass, right, yeah, sure, sure. It's the little 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.520 glasses with a Google connectivity that tell you all of 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.560 your email and buddy stuff and et cetera, the weather. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.040 You can have all kinds of augmented reality experiences. Yeah, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.880 you can. You can figure out how to get around 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:10.119 town by using a turn by turn directions, all without 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.160 having to look at a cell phone. You know, it 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.559 pops up in front of your eyeball, so you're you're 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.240 only distracted literally all the time, and you don't have 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.600 to be you don't have to turn away in order 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:26.040 to be distracted. Right, Well, there's certainly some concern about 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.279 distraction there, and and I should give credit where credit 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.199 is due. Patrick Kelly posted on our Facebook page. Yeah, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.760 an article that was called the Google Glass feature no 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.560 one is talking about from Creative Good And that's kind 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.200 of what we wanted to chat about, is some of 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.800 the concerns people have had about Google Glass. So it's 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.200 a technology that is in its infancy right now. The article, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.520 by the way, was by Mark Hurst. The technology is 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.840 still very young, so we don't have a lot of 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.520 firsthand experience with us. In fact, neither Lauren nor I 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.280 have had the chance to try one of these. No, no, 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.080 I think they're currently going for what fifteen hundred dollars 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.840 and only too. Is it technically an alpha or is 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.080 it still a beta? Ten? It's it's tech it's a 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.280 developer beta, Okay. The Google has a yearly event called 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.640 the Io Event, and at the IO Event they usually 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:23.440 announced new products as well as hold very intense workshops 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.560 with developers to explain how to develop for the various 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.040 Google platforms and what those Google platforms can do for 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.920 the developers. So, if you are a developer with a 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.919 big company that has a giant website and your company 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.320 is wondering if there's anything that Google does that would 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.799 make their website more powerful for the consumer, you send 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.840 the developer to the IO event to really understand this stuff. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.679 Right well, Google also takes this as an opportunity to 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.440 kind of introduce new toys, push a couple of things 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.360 here and there shit understandable. They've unveiled things like the 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.200 Nexus tablets. They've unveiled, you know, various Android devices. They 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.680 showed off the Nexus Q, which will one of those 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.680 things that did not take off so well, not so much. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:08.799 And they've launched products that were software products that got 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.239 a lot of excitement early on and then maybe didn't 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.600 work out or maybe they still are working, like Google 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.840 Plus versus Google Wave, which did not work out so great. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.919 One of the things that they've talked about is Google Glass. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.320 They had a spectacular demo. Yeah. Yeah, If you guys 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.600 have not seen the video, I'm not sure if you're 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.960 on the internet at all right now, but if you haven't, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.600 we'll link it. It's gorgeous. Yeah. So, yeah, Sarah gay 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.320 Brenn really kind of blew away the crowd. He interrupted 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.920 the presentation that was going on, the keynote that was 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:42.280 going on at that time, to show off an incredible 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.400 series of stunts that people wearing Google Glass were performing 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.480 so that you could see what it would look like 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.720 from that person's perspective. Because one of the other things 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.120 that Google Glass has is an integrated camera, right, and 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.440 that camera can allow you to take video as if 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.840 you were looking essentially out from the of the person 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.400 who is wearing the glasses. So it's supposed to be 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.520 even one step closer to stepping into the skin of 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.720 another person, right and taking that barrier of the camera away. Yeah. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.560 The video also demonstrated the voice control option that's that's 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.440 going to come with glass, which you know, you can 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.279 also control it hypothetically through head gesticulation by nodding yeah, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.039 or by a touchpad on the side of the side 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.640 of the glass, right, there's a capacitance touch screen type 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.800 well touchpad, you're right, touch pad not touch screen that 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.760 allows you to do controls. Yes. From the most recent 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.680 videos that Google's released, it looks like primarily you'll be 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.279 using voice commands, so you'd say okay, Glass, and then 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.359 you would give it, give it the command like okay, Glass, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.520 direct me to the nearest Starbucks, and then boop, the 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.320 little directions come up. And and also we should point 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.040 out the glass is not pulling information from the Internet 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.440 all by itself. It actually needs a link to a 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.479 smartphone device in order to get the data it needs 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.800 to operate, so you're you're really pairing it with like 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.320 an Android device for example. You might use the Bluetooth 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.880 in both the glass and the phone to make this 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.200 networked connection, so the phone is almost working like a 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.159 modem in a way. All right, sure, and the phone 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.480 would be I don't know, I've read something about maybe 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.080 Wi Fi connection to glass, but I'm not you know, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.120 of course everything is well, and of course things that 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.200 aren't incorporated right now may be incorporated by the time 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.159 there's a consumer model. Absolutely, by the time consumer model 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.680 comes out, we might find out that they've somehow incorporated 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.920 a cellular antenna in there, or an LTE antenna so 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.320 that you can connect to wider networks and not have 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.520 to pair it with Wi Fi. Yeah, pair with the phone. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.720 So anyway, one of the concerns that that's come up 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.320 from this amazing technology is that, well, if you're using 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.480 this to walk around and look at the world through 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.440 a digital overlay, like if you were to glance at 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.200 a building and use Google Glass to learn what is 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.400 in that building, like you know, local Wikipedia page on it, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.159 and learn the history of the building, Learn what company 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.120 is currently in that building, learn you know. Yeah, you 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.039 see a restaurant and you pull the menu up in 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.440 front of you so that you don't have to like 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.400 it's across the street, and you're like, is it worth 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.240 crossing the street to go look in that window? Let 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.640 me pull up the menu. Oh yeah, sloppy Joe sounds good. Okay, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.800 I'm gonna go ahead and cross the street. Then and 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.920 then you get run down because you're not paying attention. No, no, no, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:27.640 that well, that is a danger. I mean, there is 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.440 always the danger that you're but the idea with Google Glasses, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.839 you're supposed to be able to to really concentrate on 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.840 your environment with as little distraction as possible. Knowing humans 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.640 as I do, I expect that a lot of us 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.520 are going to be looking at the screen more frequently 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.560 than Google necessarily intends. But that might be just a 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.800 behavioral thing that will have to work out anyway. So 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.599 it's giving you this information about the world around you, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.800 whether it's pulling that information out via pairing with your 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.800 smartphone or pulling it from a network directly. The concern 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:03.480 is it's eaving a digital path of where you've been 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.400 right all the time. Every time it pulls something up 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.279 for you, it makes it a little log, you know, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.680 and then someone else can go back in, you know, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.920 be it Google or the government, or etcat, or a 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.440 suspicious spouse or a potential stalker. I mean, there are 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.560 a lot of concerns like it could be. It could 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.280 be something as simple as a friend of yours suddenly 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.760 discovering that perhaps you were out shopping for a birthday 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.200 present because they just happened. They just looked at your 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.160 location data, not with any you know, malevolent intent. But 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.240 then they're like, oh, oh he's going why would he 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.400 ever go to there? Oh wait a minute, I remember 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.400 last time I was there. I was like, yeah, there's 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:48.760 this thing. Oh yeah, Or like you're watching you see 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.680 that a bunch of your friends have all visited a 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.400 restaurant that you yourself really loved, and like Oh, I 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.480 didn't know. They all like that I should go there 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.120 for my birthday tomorrow. Wait a minute, maybe they're scouting 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.480 it out, you know. So there's lots of innocent ways 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.560 that this could ruin people's good time. But then there's 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.000 also the more scary ways, like could the government end 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.040 up if you were to fall under suspicion for some 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.960 sort of crime, whether you committed it or not, could 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.680 the government or a law enforcement official go and use 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.160 some sort of digital trace work to see all the 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.080 places you've been. And let's say that you are innocent. Okay, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.960 let's say, Lauren, let's say we're using a hypthelical situation 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.120 where you are the victim here. Okay, I've been wrongfully 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.480 accused of You've been wrongfully accused of. Let's say shoplifting. Okay, Okay, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.640 that's a nice innocent one. I like, I mean, I 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.280 mean not that shoplifting is in terrible. Kids don't shoplift, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.880 but yeah, don't shoplift kids either. No, No, that's a 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.160 different word. That's kidnapping. That's much worse. Yeah, that is 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:48.880 much worse. Okay, So then you have a kid, and 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.600 then what are you going to do with that? Thing true. Parents, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.200 you can write to Lauren Vogelbaum. So Lauren has been 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.520 placed under suspicion of shoplifting, and so the law enforcement 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.240 has has ended up getting whatever they needed to get 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.240 in order to get the digital log of Lauren's activities. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.480 And they see that Lauren has not gone to the 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.760 store where she was suspected of being a shoplifter, so 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.640 she's innocent of that. But in the process they see 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.040 that she's been visiting a certain area which is known 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.360 for something else that's really bad. Let's say it's an 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.800 area that's a known drug lab. Oh no, yeah, you've 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.480 been going to this drug lab a lot for the 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.600 last few weeks. Well it's clearly doing it for tech 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:38.360 stuff research, but anyway, that would be that, So there's 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.720 that concern, and so it may be that you it 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.480 could be that Lauren is again completely innocent. Maybe there's 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.040 something else she's been going to that's adjacent to a 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.280 place that is a known criminal center. But now they've 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.280 suddenly got an even greater intensity upon her and there's 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.560 even more of a of a they're encroaching even more 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.120 upon her privacy. Or maybe she did do something that 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.080 was a little underhanded, whether it was something really terrible 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.520 or just a little awful. You know, your spectrum of 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.560 terrible could be you know, it could be something that 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.600 was you know, really not that harmful, or it could 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.839 be something really bad. Then suddenly they can go after her. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.400 So the thing that people are concerned about here is 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.920 that it is a privacy issue that it could end 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.319 up making law enforcement companies other types of organizations treat 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.840 you as if you had done something wrong, even if 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.000 you never had, treat you as though you were guilty 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.280 all the time, and use that sort of as an 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.160 excuse to further invade your privacy. Right. And then beyond that, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.640 there's also the fact one of you know, was why 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.520 would Google care about where you've been? It's because Google, remember, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.640 at its heart, is an advertising company, right. The services 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.120 that they provide are really so that they can also 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.079 provide targeted advertising to you. Yeah, and the more they 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.800 know about you, the more targeted that advertising can be. Correct. Now, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.280 targeted advertising is a two way street, Okay. On the 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.840 one hand, it means that you have to in order 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.400 for the ads to be relevant to you, you have 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.360 to have shared information about yourself in some way, whether 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.240 it was knowingly or not. You have to reveal information 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.199 about yourself for those ads to be targeted. But the 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.400 other side that street is the ads you get are 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.320 more likely to be really relevant to you. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.280 you know. For example, in a world where I get 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.880 fewer advertisements for the NFL, I'm like, well, great, yeah, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.040 that's a waste of everyone's time if they're sending me 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.240 things like that. By the way, the same thing holds 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.920 true for me. Fewer ads for the NFL would because, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.800 let me tell you, they're not effective coming to me. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.520 It's just negatorily. Yeah, I will say the NHL used 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.840 to be before we lost our team anyway, tangent, tangent, right, right, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.440 bring it back. But so, yeah, these targeted ads could 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.480 be a positive thing depending upon how you use ads. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.360 If you are someone who actually says, well, you know, ads, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.080 I use ads to help me discover products that I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.280 wouldn't see otherwise, or to land a deal for something 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.720 that I'm actually really looking for. Like, if you're in 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.280 the market for something in particular, then an ad could 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.480 be very useful to you. I can agree, yeah, or 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.560 you might see it as intrusive. I don't know. I've 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.480 been really struggling with this the past couple of days 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.240 when we decided to do this piece about whether or 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.600 not I actually have a problem with the government being 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.280 able to check out people like where people have been. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.320 It's tough. I mean, we should stress we're here in 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.680 the United States. We're used to a certain at least 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.400 a certain illusion of freedom, of freedom and privacy. You 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.120 know that depending upon your point of view, it extends 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.840 to a certain circle, you know, like some people think 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.440 that it's a circle that's very, very tiny. Indeed at 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.400 these days, and others are saying, no, that's really too 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.280 pessimistic and cynical. It's much larger than that. But there 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.520 are people in other nations. I mean, the United Kingdom, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.280 for example, has closed circuit television cameras everywhere every where 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.880 they are. People are used to being recorded continually. I mean. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.719 And it's not that we're not being recorded more or 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.599 less continually here, but you know, by by more or 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.160 less private devices, right, it's not it's not something like 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.280 you you don't see security camera set up on every 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.559 street corner in the United States the way you would 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.920 in only cities in the UK, only at many intersections. Right. Well, yeah, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.600 because I mean, I learned from the documentary series Sherlock 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:28.439 that they are all controlled by microft homes. Spoiler alert, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.439 I learned that they're controlled by Torchwood from the from 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.800 the documentary series Torchwood, right, which was a spin off 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.360 of the Doctor Who documentary. Anyway, in the United States, we, uh, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.360 we don't really tend to like that idea of anyone 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.120 tracking us. And I'm not saying that people in other 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.760 countries love that idea, but in the United States in particular, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.040 there's a big resistance to that. It's kind of kind 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.800 of runs antithetical to what we think of as our 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.760 individual freedoms freedoms, right, So, so there's definitely that this 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.280 idea of uh, I don't want to give up my privacy, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.840 even if it's not for something nefarious. Right. But at 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.079 the same time, you see these trends in the United 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.760 States of people using things like Facebook and for Square 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.600 to voluntarily give up massive amounts of information. Yeah. Yeah. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.120 As of January twenty thirteen, and where we're recording this 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.360 in March of twenty thirteen, by the way, thirty million 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.360 people worldwide have made over three billion check ins on 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.640 four square alone, right, And that's voluntarily giving up your 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.320 location to people on purpose. Yeah. So it's one of 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.760 those things where it's if it's your choice, then that's 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.040 one thing. If it's something that's happening in the background, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.920 then that suddenly seems not so cool, all right, And 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:43.240 you know, I think that that's going to be the 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.200 tipping point for a lot of people. If they can 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.280 get something out of this, then they're going to go, yeah, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.880 well okay, you know, you know. And also, you know, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.560 one of the other concerns is that if people are 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.920 taking video all the time on Google Glass and that 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.160 maybe you're not even aware of when people are taking 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.720 video on Google gas us that there is going to 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:07.200 become this database of visual information about everybody available all 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.960 the time, and that through things like facial recognition software, 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.680 people will be able to tag your location even your speech. Interesting. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.720 You know, I want to talk more about that, but 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.760 before we get into that discussion, let's take a quick 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.080 moment to thank our sponsor. All Right, we're back now, now, Lauren, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.080 you were bringing up something really interesting, and in fact, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.840 we should say this is really the centerpiece of mark 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.040 Hurst's article, the Google Glass feature no one is talking about. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.160 He does address this idea of giving up your privacy 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.960 and the whole voluntary versus involuntary thing. But he says 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.480 that perhaps what's even more worrisome is the fact that 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.600 Google Glass is also a video camera and that you 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.640 can be recording at any time, and that he worries 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.800 that there might not be any indication that the camera 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.240 is recording. Right Sure, well, you know I think that 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.680 right now there's a an led or something slashes when 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.800 it's recording exactly. But you know, it's the same way 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.920 that I know lots of people who have electrical tape 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.160 over the webcam on their laptop. They might just cover 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.320 up the little light so that you don't necessarily know 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.240 that it's recording. Also, there's there's the concern that perhaps 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.000 a future version of this would either not have the 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:25.080 light or would actually be constantly or that Tracy Google 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.920 would be recording all the time. Tell you yeah, And 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.240 that Google wants to open this up to developers. I mean, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.040 that's why they had the developer beta, which in which 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.360 every single pair of these things was fifteen hundred dollars. Now, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.960 we don't expect that to be the end consumer price. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.880 Once this becomes a consumer product, I would imagine it's 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.440 going to be significantly less than that. Otherwise, I don't 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.520 think they're going to have much of a market right now, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.120 especially when you take a look at these things. They're 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.320 a little you know, they're still a little bit clunky. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.600 They're still a little clunky. They've been partnering with some 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.960 eyeglass designers, so you know that the Yeah, I think 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.480 that the finalized product is going to be sleeker and 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.280 very much sleeker. Yeah, and it'll and again it'll probably 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.919 bess expensive. Dig the Jordie Visor kind of And also, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.359 in the interest of full disclosure, I completely intend on 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.200 getting a pair of these, I really do. I mean 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.520 I I am aware of these concerns and I understand 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.200 them and I don't disagree with them. At the same time, 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:26.119 I am incredibly excited by this technology. But as Hurst 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.400 points out, as you pointed out Lauren, having a access 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.680 to a video camera all the time that's mounted ready 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.679 to go to shoot at a moment's notice, all you 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.400 have to say is okay, glass start recording, or tap 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.040 a button on the side or not your head a 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.600 certain way or whatever. Once it's going like, you can't 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.119 be certain that you know you're not being filmed at 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.040 any particular time. I filmed is obviously the wrong word, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.879 but we're going to use it because that's the vernacular, 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.560 the colloquial term. So if you walk into a room 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.159 and you see that someone's wearing google glass, if you 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.200 can't see that light, if the light's not visible, or 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.439 if they've covered it up somehow, or if it's just 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.920 not even part of that particular form factor, you can't 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.480 really be sure you're not being captured on video. Oh right, Yeah, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.479 although I would argue that the same is true these 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.080 days with smartphones that you know, if anyone is sitting 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.840 in a restaurant with a smartphone out you can, or 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.520 even not out, you know, it could be recording audio. Yeah, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.359 that's true. You cannot be sure, And there certainly there 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.000 are times where I was holding up a phone in 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.520 order to get a signal, and then I realized that 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.159 the way I'm holding this phone, it looks like I'm 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.000 trying to take a photo of that dude sitting three 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.800 three aisles down from the airport where I am, and 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.480 he hasn't noticed yet, which is probably good for both 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.040 me and him. So I am going to stop doing 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.120 that now. But yeah, that's it's part of our reality already. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.440 It's just that to make that even more integrated into 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.119 our reality, more prevalent and more integrated. And again, like 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.000 you were saying, with the facial recognition and all that, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.080 these are things that Google Glass could easily incorporate, whether 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.840 it's a third party app or it's something that's natively 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.960 designed for the actual Google Glass experience, because you know Google, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.119 Google's got a history also of saying, oh, these guys 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.840 had a great idea, let's let's go to them, will 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.560 buy the company, and we'll incorporate that directly into the product. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.719 So it's no longer an app that you add on, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.840 it's a it's a native feature, right. So if that 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.720 native feature involves things like, hey, I shot this great 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.960 video we had karaoke. It was fantastic. I recorded it. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.240 It automatically tags all my friends because they're already connected 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.439 to my Google accounts. So so now you know exactly 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.879 who's in there. All of them can can search it 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.160 and they can watch it. It's entertaining. That sounds awesome, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.760 But if it's one of those things where hey, I 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.360 was at this place when this terrible catastrophe occurred and 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.320 I decided to capture video of it. That video might 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.800 be might be useful, but it might also mean that 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.000 certain people's faces are being tagged and those people like 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.600 it could end up being a real mess for things 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.560 like first responders. It could be the law enforcement of officials. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.480 Like you know, in some cases, you're thinking like, well, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:04.879 this is good because it's going to give me a 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.840 record of what's going on. In other cases, you're thinking like, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:12.440 all right, well, what would happen terribly tragic situation occurs 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.840 someone someone or multiple people die as a result of 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.600 this horrible hypothetical tragedy. Okay, someone who is there has 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.360 Google Glass. They're recording it and because of the cloud 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:30.960 based nature of some immediately uploaded it's uploaded people. It's 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.600 people are tagged, like including people who have died. And 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.760 that's how you find it out that one of your 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.440 loved ones has perished because they've been tagged in a 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.600 video and it pops up on some sort of Google 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.879 alert or something. Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's one of 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.560 those concerns, is that. And it sounds it comes far 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.360 fetched right now, you know, especially since I'm less familiar 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.040 with Google Plus. But I know that on Facebook, you 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.800 can opt out of their entire entire facial recognition system, sure, 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:57.520 and tell it to never do that, and it will 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.800 just never form the particular a lot of rhythm for you, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.720 right right right, And in most cases that's the way 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.040 it works as well, like Google with Google Plus, if 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.000 someone tags me in a photo, it gives me the 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.760