1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technologies with text Stuff from howstuffooks 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to tech Stuff. 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: My name is Jonathan Strickland, and I am one of 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: the two hosts of this show. And my name is 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Lauren Volkelbaum. I am the second of the empirical two 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: hosts of this show. That's right, it's a precise number, exactly. 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: We aren't. We aren't firm on all the details all 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: the time, but this much we know. There are two 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: hosts and we are here. Three there shall not be. 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: Three is one too many. Four is right out right out. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: So today we wanted to talk a little bit about 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: an interesting concern that was brought to our attention. So 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Google Glass. You know what Google glass is. You've heard 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: of Google glass, right, yeah, sure, sure. It's the little 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: glasses with a Google connectivity that tell you all of 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: your email and buddy stuff and et cetera, the weather. 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: You can have all kinds of augmented reality experiences. Yeah, 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: you can. You can figure out how to get around 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: town by using a turn by turn directions, all without 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: having to look at a cell phone. You know, it 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: pops up in front of your eyeball, so you're you're 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: only distracted literally all the time, and you don't have 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to be you don't have to turn away in order 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: to be distracted. Right, Well, there's certainly some concern about 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 1: distraction there, and and I should give credit where credit 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: is due. Patrick Kelly posted on our Facebook page. Yeah, 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: an article that was called the Google Glass feature no 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: one is talking about from Creative Good And that's kind 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: of what we wanted to chat about, is some of 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the concerns people have had about Google Glass. So it's 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: a technology that is in its infancy right now. The article, 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: by the way, was by Mark Hurst. The technology is 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: still very young, so we don't have a lot of 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: firsthand experience with us. In fact, neither Lauren nor I 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: have had the chance to try one of these. No, no, 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I think they're currently going for what fifteen hundred dollars 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: and only too. Is it technically an alpha or is 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: it still a beta? Ten? It's it's tech it's a 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: developer beta, Okay. The Google has a yearly event called 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: the Io Event, and at the IO Event they usually 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: announced new products as well as hold very intense workshops 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: with developers to explain how to develop for the various 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Google platforms and what those Google platforms can do for 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: the developers. So, if you are a developer with a 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: big company that has a giant website and your company 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: is wondering if there's anything that Google does that would 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: make their website more powerful for the consumer, you send 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: the developer to the IO event to really understand this stuff. 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: Right well, Google also takes this as an opportunity to 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of introduce new toys, push a couple of things 51 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: here and there shit understandable. They've unveiled things like the 52 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Nexus tablets. They've unveiled, you know, various Android devices. They 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: showed off the Nexus Q, which will one of those 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: things that did not take off so well, not so much. 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: And they've launched products that were software products that got 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: a lot of excitement early on and then maybe didn't 57 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: work out or maybe they still are working, like Google 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Plus versus Google Wave, which did not work out so great. 59 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: One of the things that they've talked about is Google Glass. 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: They had a spectacular demo. Yeah. Yeah, If you guys 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: have not seen the video, I'm not sure if you're 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: on the internet at all right now, but if you haven't, 63 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: we'll link it. It's gorgeous. Yeah. So, yeah, Sarah gay 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Brenn really kind of blew away the crowd. He interrupted 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: the presentation that was going on, the keynote that was 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: going on at that time, to show off an incredible 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: series of stunts that people wearing Google Glass were performing 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: so that you could see what it would look like 69 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: from that person's perspective. Because one of the other things 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: that Google Glass has is an integrated camera, right, and 71 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that camera can allow you to take video as if 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: you were looking essentially out from the of the person 73 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: who is wearing the glasses. So it's supposed to be 74 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: even one step closer to stepping into the skin of 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: another person, right and taking that barrier of the camera away. Yeah. 76 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: The video also demonstrated the voice control option that's that's 77 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: going to come with glass, which you know, you can 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: also control it hypothetically through head gesticulation by nodding yeah, 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: or by a touchpad on the side of the side 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: of the glass, right, there's a capacitance touch screen type 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: well touchpad, you're right, touch pad not touch screen that 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: allows you to do controls. Yes. From the most recent 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: videos that Google's released, it looks like primarily you'll be 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: using voice commands, so you'd say okay, Glass, and then 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: you would give it, give it the command like okay, Glass, 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: direct me to the nearest Starbucks, and then boop, the 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: little directions come up. And and also we should point 88 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: out the glass is not pulling information from the Internet 89 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: all by itself. It actually needs a link to a 90 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: smartphone device in order to get the data it needs 91 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: to operate, so you're you're really pairing it with like 92 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: an Android device for example. You might use the Bluetooth 93 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: in both the glass and the phone to make this 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: networked connection, so the phone is almost working like a 95 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: modem in a way. All right, sure, and the phone 96 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: would be I don't know, I've read something about maybe 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Wi Fi connection to glass, but I'm not you know, 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: of course everything is well, and of course things that 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: aren't incorporated right now may be incorporated by the time 100 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: there's a consumer model. Absolutely, by the time consumer model 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: comes out, we might find out that they've somehow incorporated 102 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: a cellular antenna in there, or an LTE antenna so 103 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: that you can connect to wider networks and not have 104 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: to pair it with Wi Fi. Yeah, pair with the phone. 105 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: So anyway, one of the concerns that that's come up 106 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: from this amazing technology is that, well, if you're using 107 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: this to walk around and look at the world through 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: a digital overlay, like if you were to glance at 109 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: a building and use Google Glass to learn what is 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: in that building, like you know, local Wikipedia page on it, 111 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: and learn the history of the building, Learn what company 112 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: is currently in that building, learn you know. Yeah, you 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: see a restaurant and you pull the menu up in 114 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: front of you so that you don't have to like 115 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: it's across the street, and you're like, is it worth 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: crossing the street to go look in that window? Let 117 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: me pull up the menu. Oh yeah, sloppy Joe sounds good. Okay, 118 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and cross the street. Then and 119 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: then you get run down because you're not paying attention. No, no, no, 120 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: that well, that is a danger. I mean, there is 121 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: always the danger that you're but the idea with Google Glasses, 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to to really concentrate on 123 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: your environment with as little distraction as possible. Knowing humans 124 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: as I do, I expect that a lot of us 125 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: are going to be looking at the screen more frequently 126 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: than Google necessarily intends. But that might be just a 127 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: behavioral thing that will have to work out anyway. So 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: it's giving you this information about the world around you, 129 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: whether it's pulling that information out via pairing with your 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: smartphone or pulling it from a network directly. The concern 131 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: is it's eaving a digital path of where you've been 132 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: right all the time. Every time it pulls something up 133 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: for you, it makes it a little log, you know, 134 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: and then someone else can go back in, you know, 135 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: be it Google or the government, or etcat, or a 136 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: suspicious spouse or a potential stalker. I mean, there are 137 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot of concerns like it could be. It could 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: be something as simple as a friend of yours suddenly 139 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: discovering that perhaps you were out shopping for a birthday 140 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: present because they just happened. They just looked at your 141 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: location data, not with any you know, malevolent intent. But 142 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, oh he's going why would he 143 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: ever go to there? Oh wait a minute, I remember 144 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: last time I was there. I was like, yeah, there's 145 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: this thing. Oh yeah, Or like you're watching you see 146 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: that a bunch of your friends have all visited a 147 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: restaurant that you yourself really loved, and like Oh, I 148 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: didn't know. They all like that I should go there 149 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: for my birthday tomorrow. Wait a minute, maybe they're scouting 150 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: it out, you know. So there's lots of innocent ways 151 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: that this could ruin people's good time. But then there's 152 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: also the more scary ways, like could the government end 153 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: up if you were to fall under suspicion for some 154 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: sort of crime, whether you committed it or not, could 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: the government or a law enforcement official go and use 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: some sort of digital trace work to see all the 157 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: places you've been. And let's say that you are innocent. Okay, 158 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: let's say, Lauren, let's say we're using a hypthelical situation 159 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: where you are the victim here. Okay, I've been wrongfully 160 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: accused of You've been wrongfully accused of. Let's say shoplifting. Okay, Okay, 161 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: that's a nice innocent one. I like, I mean, I 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: mean not that shoplifting is in terrible. Kids don't shoplift, 163 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, don't shoplift kids either. No, No, that's a 164 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: different word. That's kidnapping. That's much worse. Yeah, that is 165 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: much worse. Okay, So then you have a kid, and 166 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: then what are you going to do with that? Thing true. Parents, 167 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: you can write to Lauren Vogelbaum. So Lauren has been 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: placed under suspicion of shoplifting, and so the law enforcement 169 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: has has ended up getting whatever they needed to get 170 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: in order to get the digital log of Lauren's activities. 171 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: And they see that Lauren has not gone to the 172 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: store where she was suspected of being a shoplifter, so 173 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: she's innocent of that. But in the process they see 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: that she's been visiting a certain area which is known 175 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: for something else that's really bad. Let's say it's an 176 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: area that's a known drug lab. Oh no, yeah, you've 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: been going to this drug lab a lot for the 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: last few weeks. Well it's clearly doing it for tech 179 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: stuff research, but anyway, that would be that, So there's 180 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: that concern, and so it may be that you it 181 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: could be that Lauren is again completely innocent. Maybe there's 182 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: something else she's been going to that's adjacent to a 183 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: place that is a known criminal center. But now they've 184 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: suddenly got an even greater intensity upon her and there's 185 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: even more of a of a they're encroaching even more 186 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: upon her privacy. Or maybe she did do something that 187 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: was a little underhanded, whether it was something really terrible 188 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: or just a little awful. You know, your spectrum of 189 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: terrible could be you know, it could be something that 190 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: was you know, really not that harmful, or it could 191 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: be something really bad. Then suddenly they can go after her. 192 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: So the thing that people are concerned about here is 193 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: that it is a privacy issue that it could end 194 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: up making law enforcement companies other types of organizations treat 195 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: you as if you had done something wrong, even if 196 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: you never had, treat you as though you were guilty 197 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: all the time, and use that sort of as an 198 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: excuse to further invade your privacy. Right. And then beyond that, 199 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: there's also the fact one of you know, was why 200 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: would Google care about where you've been? It's because Google, remember, 201 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: at its heart, is an advertising company, right. The services 202 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: that they provide are really so that they can also 203 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: provide targeted advertising to you. Yeah, and the more they 204 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: know about you, the more targeted that advertising can be. Correct. Now, 205 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: targeted advertising is a two way street, Okay. On the 206 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: one hand, it means that you have to in order 207 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: for the ads to be relevant to you, you have 208 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: to have shared information about yourself in some way, whether 209 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: it was knowingly or not. You have to reveal information 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: about yourself for those ads to be targeted. But the 211 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: other side that street is the ads you get are 212 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: more likely to be really relevant to you. Yeah. Yeah, 213 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: you know. For example, in a world where I get 214 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: fewer advertisements for the NFL, I'm like, well, great, yeah, 215 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: that's a waste of everyone's time if they're sending me 216 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: things like that. By the way, the same thing holds 217 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: true for me. Fewer ads for the NFL would because, 218 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: let me tell you, they're not effective coming to me. 219 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: It's just negatorily. Yeah, I will say the NHL used 220 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: to be before we lost our team anyway, tangent, tangent, right, right, 221 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: bring it back. But so, yeah, these targeted ads could 222 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: be a positive thing depending upon how you use ads. 223 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: If you are someone who actually says, well, you know, ads, 224 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I use ads to help me discover products that I 225 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't see otherwise, or to land a deal for something 226 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: that I'm actually really looking for. Like, if you're in 227 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: the market for something in particular, then an ad could 228 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: be very useful to you. I can agree, yeah, or 229 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: you might see it as intrusive. I don't know. I've 230 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: been really struggling with this the past couple of days 231 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: when we decided to do this piece about whether or 232 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: not I actually have a problem with the government being 233 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: able to check out people like where people have been. 234 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: It's tough. I mean, we should stress we're here in 235 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: the United States. We're used to a certain at least 236 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: a certain illusion of freedom, of freedom and privacy. You 237 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: know that depending upon your point of view, it extends 238 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: to a certain circle, you know, like some people think 239 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: that it's a circle that's very, very tiny. Indeed at 240 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: these days, and others are saying, no, that's really too 241 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: pessimistic and cynical. It's much larger than that. But there 242 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: are people in other nations. I mean, the United Kingdom, 243 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: for example, has closed circuit television cameras everywhere every where 244 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: they are. People are used to being recorded continually. I mean. 245 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: And it's not that we're not being recorded more or 246 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 1: less continually here, but you know, by by more or 247 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: less private devices, right, it's not it's not something like 248 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: you you don't see security camera set up on every 249 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: street corner in the United States the way you would 250 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: in only cities in the UK, only at many intersections. Right. Well, yeah, 251 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: because I mean, I learned from the documentary series Sherlock 252 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: that they are all controlled by microft homes. Spoiler alert, 253 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: I learned that they're controlled by Torchwood from the from 254 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: the documentary series Torchwood, right, which was a spin off 255 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: of the Doctor Who documentary. Anyway, in the United States, we, uh, 256 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: we don't really tend to like that idea of anyone 257 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: tracking us. And I'm not saying that people in other 258 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: countries love that idea, but in the United States in particular, 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: there's a big resistance to that. It's kind of kind 260 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: of runs antithetical to what we think of as our 261 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: individual freedoms freedoms, right, So, so there's definitely that this 262 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: idea of uh, I don't want to give up my privacy, 263 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: even if it's not for something nefarious. Right. But at 264 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: the same time, you see these trends in the United 265 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: States of people using things like Facebook and for Square 266 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: to voluntarily give up massive amounts of information. Yeah. Yeah. 267 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: As of January twenty thirteen, and where we're recording this 268 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: in March of twenty thirteen, by the way, thirty million 269 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: people worldwide have made over three billion check ins on 270 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: four square alone, right, And that's voluntarily giving up your 271 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: location to people on purpose. Yeah. So it's one of 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: those things where it's if it's your choice, then that's 273 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: one thing. If it's something that's happening in the background, 274 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: then that suddenly seems not so cool, all right, And 275 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think that that's going to be the 276 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: tipping point for a lot of people. If they can 277 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: get something out of this, then they're going to go, yeah, 278 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: well okay, you know, you know. And also, you know, 279 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: one of the other concerns is that if people are 280 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: taking video all the time on Google Glass and that 281 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: maybe you're not even aware of when people are taking 282 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: video on Google gas us that there is going to 283 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: become this database of visual information about everybody available all 284 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: the time, and that through things like facial recognition software, 285 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: people will be able to tag your location even your speech. Interesting. 286 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk more about that, but 287 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: before we get into that discussion, let's take a quick 288 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: moment to thank our sponsor. All Right, we're back now, now, Lauren, 289 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you were bringing up something really interesting, and in fact, 290 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: we should say this is really the centerpiece of mark 291 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Hurst's article, the Google Glass feature no one is talking about. 292 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: He does address this idea of giving up your privacy 293 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: and the whole voluntary versus involuntary thing. But he says 294 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: that perhaps what's even more worrisome is the fact that 295 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: Google Glass is also a video camera and that you 296 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: can be recording at any time, and that he worries 297 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: that there might not be any indication that the camera 298 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: is recording. Right Sure, well, you know I think that 299 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: right now there's a an led or something slashes when 300 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: it's recording exactly. But you know, it's the same way 301 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: that I know lots of people who have electrical tape 302 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: over the webcam on their laptop. They might just cover 303 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: up the little light so that you don't necessarily know 304 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: that it's recording. Also, there's there's the concern that perhaps 305 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: a future version of this would either not have the 306 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: light or would actually be constantly or that Tracy Google 307 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: would be recording all the time. Tell you yeah, And 308 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: that Google wants to open this up to developers. I mean, 309 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: that's why they had the developer beta, which in which 310 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: every single pair of these things was fifteen hundred dollars. Now, 311 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: we don't expect that to be the end consumer price. 312 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: Once this becomes a consumer product, I would imagine it's 313 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: going to be significantly less than that. Otherwise, I don't 314 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: think they're going to have much of a market right now, 315 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: especially when you take a look at these things. They're 316 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: a little you know, they're still a little bit clunky. 317 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: They're still a little clunky. They've been partnering with some 318 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: eyeglass designers, so you know that the Yeah, I think 319 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: that the finalized product is going to be sleeker and 320 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: very much sleeker. Yeah, and it'll and again it'll probably 321 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: bess expensive. Dig the Jordie Visor kind of And also, 322 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: in the interest of full disclosure, I completely intend on 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: getting a pair of these, I really do. I mean 324 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: I I am aware of these concerns and I understand 325 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: them and I don't disagree with them. At the same time, 326 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I am incredibly excited by this technology. But as Hurst 327 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: points out, as you pointed out Lauren, having a access 328 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: to a video camera all the time that's mounted ready 329 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: to go to shoot at a moment's notice, all you 330 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: have to say is okay, glass start recording, or tap 331 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: a button on the side or not your head a 332 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: certain way or whatever. Once it's going like, you can't 333 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: be certain that you know you're not being filmed at 334 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: any particular time. I filmed is obviously the wrong word, 335 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: but we're going to use it because that's the vernacular, 336 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the colloquial term. So if you walk into a room 337 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: and you see that someone's wearing google glass, if you 338 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: can't see that light, if the light's not visible, or 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: if they've covered it up somehow, or if it's just 340 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: not even part of that particular form factor, you can't 341 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: really be sure you're not being captured on video. Oh right, Yeah, 342 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: although I would argue that the same is true these 343 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: days with smartphones that you know, if anyone is sitting 344 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: in a restaurant with a smartphone out you can, or 345 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: even not out, you know, it could be recording audio. Yeah, 346 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: that's true. You cannot be sure, And there certainly there 347 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: are times where I was holding up a phone in 348 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: order to get a signal, and then I realized that 349 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: the way I'm holding this phone, it looks like I'm 350 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: trying to take a photo of that dude sitting three 351 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: three aisles down from the airport where I am, and 352 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: he hasn't noticed yet, which is probably good for both 353 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: me and him. So I am going to stop doing 354 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: that now. But yeah, that's it's part of our reality already. 355 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: It's just that to make that even more integrated into 356 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: our reality, more prevalent and more integrated. And again, like 357 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: you were saying, with the facial recognition and all that, 358 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: these are things that Google Glass could easily incorporate, whether 359 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: it's a third party app or it's something that's natively 360 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: designed for the actual Google Glass experience, because you know Google, 361 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: Google's got a history also of saying, oh, these guys 362 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: had a great idea, let's let's go to them, will 363 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: buy the company, and we'll incorporate that directly into the product. 364 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: So it's no longer an app that you add on, 365 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a native feature, right. So if that 366 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: native feature involves things like, hey, I shot this great 367 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: video we had karaoke. It was fantastic. I recorded it. 368 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: It automatically tags all my friends because they're already connected 369 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: to my Google accounts. So so now you know exactly 370 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: who's in there. All of them can can search it 371 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: and they can watch it. It's entertaining. That sounds awesome, 372 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: But if it's one of those things where hey, I 373 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: was at this place when this terrible catastrophe occurred and 374 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: I decided to capture video of it. That video might 375 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: be might be useful, but it might also mean that 376 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: certain people's faces are being tagged and those people like 377 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: it could end up being a real mess for things 378 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: like first responders. It could be the law enforcement of officials. 379 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: Like you know, in some cases, you're thinking like, well, 380 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: this is good because it's going to give me a 381 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: record of what's going on. In other cases, you're thinking like, 382 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: all right, well, what would happen terribly tragic situation occurs 383 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: someone someone or multiple people die as a result of 384 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: this horrible hypothetical tragedy. Okay, someone who is there has 385 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: Google Glass. They're recording it and because of the cloud 386 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: based nature of some immediately uploaded it's uploaded people. It's 387 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: people are tagged, like including people who have died. And 388 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: that's how you find it out that one of your 389 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: loved ones has perished because they've been tagged in a 390 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: video and it pops up on some sort of Google 391 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: alert or something. Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's one of 392 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: those concerns, is that. And it sounds it comes far 393 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: fetched right now, you know, especially since I'm less familiar 394 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: with Google Plus. But I know that on Facebook, you 395 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: can opt out of their entire entire facial recognition system, sure, 396 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: and tell it to never do that, and it will 397 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: just never form the particular a lot of rhythm for you, 398 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: right right right, And in most cases that's the way 399 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: it works as well, like Google with Google Plus, if 400 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: someone tags me in a photo, it gives me the 401 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: option of either accepting the tag or denying it. So 402 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: it's the same sort of thing. It's just one of 403 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: those questions of if this ends up being like a 404 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: third party app that gets added on so that there's 405 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: a particular website where videos will get hosted then and 406 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: it's not YouTube and it's not something like that, and 407 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: this person who's wearing the glasses happens to be part 408 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: of that, then just because you know, YouTube follows this rule, 409 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: or Facebook follows this rule, Google Plus follows this rule, 410 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that these third parties are necessarily going to 411 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: follow the rule. So here the interesting part of the 412 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: question is no longer the privacy of the individual who's 413 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: wearing the glasses. It's the privacy of everyone that person 414 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: comes into contact with, because they could potentially be caught 415 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: on camera right right, And you know, I don't know. 416 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: It raises a lot of a lot of interesting thoughts 417 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, you know, if you're squeamish 418 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: about getting tagged and stuff, it's like, well, don't do 419 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: stuff that you don't want people to know that you've done. Yeah, 420 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: but that's a that's one of those arguments that's just yeah, 421 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: it's a weak argument, right, It's a very weak argument. 422 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: And also, you know there's you get a little bit, 423 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: a little bit in nineteen eighty four. Yeah, at that 424 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: point where where if you assume that you're being watched 425 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: at any given moment, and therefore you have to live 426 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: as though, right you are being watched, Like the only 427 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: reason to behave a certain way is because you'll get 428 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: in trouble if you do not that the more you 429 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: pursue that, the more totalitarian it gets, the more Orwellian, Yes, right, right. 430 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: So p COO talked a lot about that in the 431 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: seventies with about panopticons and stuff like that, and that's 432 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: actually what some of this, some of these fears about 433 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Google Glass really reminded me of. And I looked up 434 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: some of the original quotes from Jeremy Bentham, who's the 435 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: guy who created theopon pedopticon, of course, being a prison model. 436 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: This was back in seventeen eighty seven that he came 437 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: up with, wherein you can have a single guard tower 438 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: in the middle watching a ring of prisoner cells all 439 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: the way around it, and it's set up so that 440 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether there's a guard in that tower 441 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: or not at a certain point, because the perception is 442 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: that there is someone there is someone there, and that 443 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: they are watching you. And he said that this is 444 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: a this is a new mode of obtaining power of 445 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: mind over mind, and a quantity hitherto without example, and 446 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: that to a degree equally without example, secured by whoever 447 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: chooses to have it. So so yeah, there you've got 448 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: that just spread out through an entire culture because instead 449 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: of it being a guard tower, it's the dude wearing 450 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the funky glasses across the street, and all the dudes 451 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: wearing the funky glass right because over the street, because 452 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, right now, it's going to be a very 453 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: few people who have this because they're developers or folks 454 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: who had fifteen hundred dollars to burn. But otherwise, no, 455 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: you didn't, you didn't get that opportunity. So it's not 456 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: like you're likely to run into this on a regular basis, 457 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: unless you happen to be in the I guess San 458 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: Francisco are where you might run into them a little 459 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: more frequently. But once this gets rolled out into the 460 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: consumer model, assuming that it does, and I see no 461 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: reason to assume otherwise, then we're going to see it 462 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: start to filter out there. Now. I think that knowing 463 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: about these concerns means a couple of things. It means 464 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: one that the people who are working on apps, the 465 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: people who are working on the products itself or themselves, 466 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: they need to take these into consideration and make sure 467 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: that they acknowledge the concerns right and hopefully build in 468 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: stuff that alleviates some of those concerns. I mean that 469 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: I doubt that all none the concerns are never going 470 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: to completely go away by the very nature of the product. Yeah, 471 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: and especially I also wanted to put in in this 472 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: day and age, you know, traditionally, federal law and the 473 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: Wiretap Act dictated that it was legal actually to record 474 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: people without their knowledge in most states. That the law 475 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: was a little bit sticky and varied here and there. 476 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: But back in and a case went to the second 477 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: US Circuit Court of Appeals in which a woman was 478 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: on her deathbed and did not have a will. She 479 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: she died actually without creating a will. Her son, as 480 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: it turned out, had recorded a conversation among his mother 481 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: and a bunch of their family members right before she 482 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: passed about what would happen to her estate, and he 483 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: wound up using this in court to prove his case 484 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: about what he wanted to happen. And someone else said, Oh, no, 485 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: you can't use that. You didn't tell us that we 486 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: were being recorded. That's illegal, And the court said, no, 487 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah, I mean, I mean, basically they said 488 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: that as long as you're not planning on using a 489 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: recording for illegal purposes, it's no longer illegal to make 490 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: a recording your back or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's 491 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: a sticky situation, is tricky, and of course those laws 492 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: are going to vary depending upon what country you're in. 493 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: Oh sure, the sheriff from state to state. And I'm 494 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of curious to see what this kind of technology 495 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: is going to do to laws like that. In the future, 496 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna definitely see some legislation that'll be maybe not 497 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: directly tied to Google glass, but at least to the 498 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: culture of having these cameras everywhere all the time. It's 499 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: amazing that more of it hasn't happened already, considering the 500 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: fact that, I mean, you know, citizen journalism has taken 501 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: off like crazy over the last several years once smartphones 502 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: really became a thing and the cameras and cell phones 503 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: got good enough to capture pretty high quality, in some 504 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: cases extremely high quality video. So yeah, it'll be interesting 505 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: to see how that develops. I would hope that perhaps 506 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: the people who purchase the Google Glass product also keep 507 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: in mind the concerns of people around them, And I 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: think that it may be one of those things that, 509 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: as a cultural thing or a social thing, we adopt 510 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: a way that's polite in that we can say, hey, 511 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: would you mind not wearing that while we're here because 512 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: I find it uncomfortable. And if there's some way to 513 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: do that in a way that you know, does not 514 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: upset the person who's wearing them or the person who's 515 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: making the request, then that's awesome. Yeah, you know, and 516 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: if it's an event where it's like, but this is 517 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: a party where everyone's having fun. I was kind of 518 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: hoping to capture that that's the whole reason why I 519 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: brought them. Then you can end up having the conversation 520 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: and decide, you know, who's being the unreasonable one, and 521 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: if you're both being perfectly reasonable, then you get to 522 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: split the party directly down the middle and no one 523 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: crosses the line. And the guy who doesn't want to 524 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: be on camera, I don't know. I don't know what 525 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: you're doing. I don't know what do you do. Yeah, 526 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: I was reading an Nadget article and Joshua Fullinger, I 527 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: believe is how you say it. I'm really apologized to 528 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: this fine gentle sir if I have just butchered his name. 529 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: But he said it isn't a privacy issue really or 530 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: over that, it's a matter of trust. And I thought 531 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: that that was a good summation. That's a good point. 532 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: And now keep in mind also that a lot of 533 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: the concerns are more like, well, sure, you know, if 534 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm having lunch with Lauren, I trust Lauren. 535 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Lauren's going it's not her best interest 536 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: to make me look bad. I've tied up in too 537 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: much of her stuff. But no, I trust her not 538 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: to do anything that would end up making me look 539 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: bad or making us look bad, making the show look bad. 540 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: I trust her completely, but when it would come to 541 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: what about like if she were wearing the Google Glass 542 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: and recording a conversation just because it was kind of 543 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: fun and silly, but then something in the background's going on, 544 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: Like there's where the concern comes in. Like, yeah, I 545 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: trust Lauren, but the dude two tables behind me who's 546 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: meeting a woman who is not his wife at lunch 547 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: may not trust Lauren. And yeah, and Google Google is 548 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily terrific at a blurring out faces, even in 549 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 1: street view, which is relatively small compared to what Google 550 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: Glass could become. Yeah, So obviously this is one of 551 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: those things that's going to require a lot of thought 552 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: on all parties. And I'm sure that mark Hurst's article 553 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: is probably not the only one that has addressed this, 554 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: And I'm sure many of our listeners probably have their 555 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: own opinions about this subject. And you know, where do 556 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: you fall on the side of the promise of this 557 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: technology versus the way it might compromise your privacy or 558 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: the people around you? Like, what do you think about it? 559 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that it's it's a worthy trade off. 560 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Do you think there's no trade off at all, or 561 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: do you think that maybe this is a technology that 562 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: is better as a concept but should not become a 563 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: physical product. I'm curious to hear what you think. 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