WEBVTT - Mark Blackburn Returns!

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<v Speaker 1>It's the son of which podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon.

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<v Speaker 1>This week on the pod we had him on. I

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<v Speaker 1>think back in twenty twenty two, Mark Blackburn one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best and hottest golf instructors on the planet. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>take my word for it, PGA of America Teacher of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year, Golf Magazine Top one hundred instructor, but Golf

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<v Speaker 1>died just top instructor on their top fifty list. Works

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<v Speaker 1>with a number of really really good players, Max Homa,

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Rose, and we kind of dive into their performances

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<v Speaker 1>this year in the majors, breakout years. I think for

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<v Speaker 1>both of them Majors, it's been a while since you. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Rose has had a chance to win a major.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a run at the Open Championship. Maxhoma had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance on the weekend going into Augusta. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>lucky that I get to spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark on tour, picking his brain, talking to him. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're out on tour, we spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time waiting waiting for the guys to come out and

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<v Speaker 1>hit balls, waiting for him to practice and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>specifically at the majors. I think I get to spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time with Mark, and he's someone who

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<v Speaker 1>I've always enjoyed really talking to try and pick his

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<v Speaker 1>brain as much as I can, and I just think

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<v Speaker 1>he's got great stuff. I like his perspective, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that he talks about. And I figured, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>as it's been a couple of years, we'd get him

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<v Speaker 1>back on the pod. So this is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Blackburn, son of a Butch. My guest today is

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Blackburn. Mark, we had you on the Pod twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. You were PG Teacher of the Year in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty Golf Magazine Top hundred. But now you are

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf Digest number one instructor, knocking off Butch harmon

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<v Speaker 1>my dad, but she had a massive run at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of that list and you got there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's listen. I mean we can joke about

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<v Speaker 1>it and stuff like that, but from an instructor standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>the Digest list was always kind of the gold standards,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is now in the social media age or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But to follow my dad having had that massive run,

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<v Speaker 1>as popular as he's been and all the things he's

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<v Speaker 1>done in the game. That must be pretty cool for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the coolest part was the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I actually got to hang out with him for a day,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was a lot of fun. I hadn't really

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<v Speaker 2>done that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be that'd be cool for me. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a good time, you know, and we

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<v Speaker 2>probably have more similarities than I probably realized, so I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was great. I mean, obviously they call it

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<v Speaker 2>the Butch Harmon Award, which is great in his honor,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be fair, they put him and Randy Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Cook and all the legends on another list, so

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<v Speaker 2>if they still he was still on the list, we

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<v Speaker 2>all know he'd still win, which is you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he's not very happy about that, but he is

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<v Speaker 2>the goat, so it is what it is. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>for me personally, for my club, my academy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the players I coach, is kind of cool to

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<v Speaker 2>have that accolade. And the coolest thing about this award,

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<v Speaker 2>as your dad rightly told me, is that you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>voted on by your peers. So that's that's the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess for the people on the ballot, I

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<v Speaker 2>was voting number one. Whether I'm number one or not

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely up for debate. But I seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>swown the voters, so you know, like any election, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some politics. But yeah, no, it's great. I mean to

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<v Speaker 2>be the guy after your dad for twenty years is

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<v Speaker 2>very cool. And I got to meet him and hang

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<v Speaker 2>out and we had a good time. So yeah, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make you a great teacher winning awards. They're

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<v Speaker 2>nice because people know what you do. But yeah, never hurts.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to number three on that list once and

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<v Speaker 1>then two years later after it's a two year cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years later, after Brooks went to number one and

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<v Speaker 1>won four majors, I dropped like fifteen spots. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>always good, exactly. We've had a fun summer. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a fun year for you. We've spent a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time at at Majors and it's been fun

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<v Speaker 1>watching you weight knuckle your two students, Max home, justin Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie having a chance to win the Open Max Homa

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<v Speaker 1>at the Masters, Max third, Rosie second. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie in a second, because I think that's a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>But is this a big kind of stepping stone for Max,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, final round at the Masters, didn't have his

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<v Speaker 1>best start, shot one over, but he'd been one of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys that everybody was talking about, when's he going

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<v Speaker 1>to get in contention to win a major? When is

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<v Speaker 1>he going to win a major?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a huge week for Max at

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<v Speaker 1>the Masters. I think it's going to do him and

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<v Speaker 1>his career a lot of good to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>mix on Sunday in one of the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>groups at a major championship. What's your take on the

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<v Speaker 1>performance and how this could be a springboard for Max

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, for sure. Now. I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that it we all kind of forget is when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at him coming off eleven, kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>the lead, I believe, and then he hits a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable shot on twelve and gets a horrific bounce, which

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<v Speaker 2>is everybody at Augusta. Hits a firm part of the

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<v Speaker 2>green and ends up way over there, and now he's

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<v Speaker 2>in an impossible situation. So he shot one over, but

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<v Speaker 2>I almost feel like it kind of he was right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he had a bit of bad timing, which

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<v Speaker 2>happens with everybody, right we all know to win a major. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to play great, but you've got to get

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<v Speaker 2>some luck. So from that standpoint, I feel like he

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<v Speaker 2>put himself in a position, he enjoyed it, he relished it,

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<v Speaker 2>he was so excited on Saturday. I think he played

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenal and he came off the course and you could

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<v Speaker 2>see that it really had meant a lot in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of he'd put himself under the kosh as we say

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<v Speaker 2>in England, and he'd been able to deliver the goods.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's what for you as your point,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big stepping stone, like actually putting yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>that position in a major. It's one thing after thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six holes, but being able to be there after fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four and then having a chance back nine on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>putting yourself and that's what we all want to our

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<v Speaker 2>students to be able to do, is like put them

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<v Speaker 2>there so they have a chance. And I think being

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<v Speaker 2>there once, like anything right, once you've and it once,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you can probably do it again, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the confidence you get from that is huge. I

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<v Speaker 2>think sometimes it can also be a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>curse because you get to the next major you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I should win this one because I did really well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think then you're going to have that expectation,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got to be in it to win it,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. And for me, I think Max definitely

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<v Speaker 2>showed a lot of maturity there because he was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now I've put myself there. Obviously, his performances in the

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<v Speaker 2>Ryder Cup we were both in Rome together arguably probably

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the better, if not the best American

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<v Speaker 2>player there. I think all those things. If I could

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<v Speaker 2>get him to play stroke play like he plays Max play,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be incredible. So but again, it's just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things. It's just it's a different mindset for

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<v Speaker 2>Max play because you're never out of it and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got seventy two holes of stroke play, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a different mindset and I've talked about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of those things where he's definitely got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of confidence. I'm you know, our job as

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<v Speaker 2>a coach is a part shrink and we you know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of evidence here for your student, Max,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, look what you've done and accomplished that you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the ability to do it. And I would argue

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<v Speaker 2>that the Ryder Cup has more pressure. He took an

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<v Speaker 2>unplayable got it up and down to you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's things that if you can thrive in

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<v Speaker 2>that environment, then majors arguably you should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do it as well. So I think that was validation

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<v Speaker 2>Masters that he could do it. I think twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>or twenty five will be even better. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're starting to put some pieces in play working towards that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think having been there and done it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it a lot easier to put yourself back there. As

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<v Speaker 2>you well know, with all the majors you got.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at Max, how much of getting to

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<v Speaker 1>that next level and being a guy that is in

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<v Speaker 1>the mix mark all the time in major championships is

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<v Speaker 1>technical in golf swing? And how much of it do

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<v Speaker 1>you think from Max is mental? Because Max always looks

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<v Speaker 1>to me like he's very much an emotional player. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we saw that at the Open Championship at Troon.

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<v Speaker 1>He hooped it what from like thirty forty feet on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday to make the cut and showed a lot of emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Max where is his emotions outwardly? Honestly you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of know what you're going to get with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's one of the reasons why he's

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<v Speaker 1>such a fan favorite. But how much of getting to

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<v Speaker 1>that next level and competing and having chances to win majors,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, two, three, four times a year do you feel,

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<v Speaker 1>as his coach is the technique side of things and

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<v Speaker 1>how much of it do you think is the mental

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<v Speaker 1>side of things and the belief side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I think that it's a balance, right. You

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<v Speaker 2>have all of these ingredients that going towards it. We

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<v Speaker 2>all think of all of his players got a great swing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're just going to be great. But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily all about that. So you've got to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to understand your swing, know how it works under certain conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>and what are your tendencies in stress under pressure, and

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<v Speaker 2>then managing that and then so that becomes mental and emotional, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And you can have bad holes and bogies don't kill

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<v Speaker 2>you in majors. You just need to avoid these big numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just trying to navigate it. And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit like where am I going to take my opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>I've used the analogy a lot. I didn't come up

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<v Speaker 2>with it. But it's like playing craps at the casino.

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<v Speaker 2>You go in, you cut your chips in, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't change your strategy. If you lose in the first

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty minutes, you keep doing it because you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're going to get your run, just like a

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<v Speaker 2>deck of cards at a blackjack table. So it's just understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to be able to have a sure game.

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<v Speaker 2>I call it a defense that you can navigate the

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<v Speaker 2>bad time, but because you know you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>your run and as long as your offense is good

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<v Speaker 2>enough and you make enough birdies, you should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to have a chance to play well. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>for Max it's one of those things. He's got ossive

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<v Speaker 2>offenses good is really really good. He's not putting maybe

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<v Speaker 2>quite as well as he did last year, and arguably

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't hit it quite as well, but it's like he

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<v Speaker 2>has in Spurts, played beautifully well. Understanding that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to have your best to contend. That part then

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<v Speaker 2>becomes very very mental. I mean, you look at Nicholas,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at wo Stay one, lots of events kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hanging around. Even your guy Brooks talks about everybody

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<v Speaker 2>does something different in a major. So it's more a

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<v Speaker 2>question of being comfortable in the uncomfortable, thriving in the chaos,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing I just hang around enough, I'm probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to get my run and that. And that's all I

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<v Speaker 2>think Max has got to do is just put himself

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<v Speaker 2>back in that situation. I don't think he has to

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<v Speaker 2>really do anything massively different. Is just be comfortable being

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable and just know that, Hey, majors aren't easy. Got

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<v Speaker 2>to get a bit of luck, You got to get

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<v Speaker 2>the right side of the draw, got to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, navigate more when I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 2>some bad holes. That's where your short game comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that the belief system that you've done it

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<v Speaker 2>and you've had you've had a chance, that to me

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<v Speaker 2>is huge because you know what to expect because when

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<v Speaker 2>you get there again, it's not uncommon to you. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I think like all the players once they

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<v Speaker 2>won once, now when they get in the situation again,

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<v Speaker 2>they know how to close. So you get guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are perennial closes of events because they put themselves in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation. And I think Majors is just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the next progression from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Golf swing wise, talk to us about what you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are working on and what are the keys that you

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<v Speaker 1>think makes his swing good, and what are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that what are the habits that he falls into that

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<v Speaker 1>all players have habits and DNA signatures, but what are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you guys are working on day in

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<v Speaker 1>and day out, and what are the things that he

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of reverts back to that you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to have him not do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great question. So I think inherently we

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<v Speaker 2>try and give him a golf swing that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>He's a kind of long guy, right, and you would

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<v Speaker 2>think he'd have this big wide arc, and he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to play like that way for a while when he

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<v Speaker 2>first came on twenty wasn't successful. So after looking at

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<v Speaker 2>in movement wise screening him, you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the TPI stuff I learned from David greg who was

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<v Speaker 2>that that's probably not a good match for you. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>better off with a bit of a Laura arm playing

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<v Speaker 2>to match your your body's mobility. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you try and get the club on the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? And so for him, maintaining his

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic posture is a big deal. When he does that

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<v Speaker 2>and he's not standing up and out of it, he

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<v Speaker 2>hits the ball beautifully well. Now, he also is very

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<v Speaker 2>powerful and one of the best things he's got is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of vertical so when he starts jumping to

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<v Speaker 2>try and hit it further, at times he can start

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<v Speaker 2>thrusting towards the ball and he loses that posture and

0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.320
<v Speaker 2>then he kind of loses the face. So what we're

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<v Speaker 2>working on is that balance between having enough speed but

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<v Speaker 2>then also maintaining that posture. So I was actually in

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<v Speaker 2>the desert for a couple of days with him this

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<v Speaker 2>past weekend, just working on trying to maintain that. Work

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<v Speaker 2>on that in the gym, like train that movement pattern,

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<v Speaker 2>so he has a chance to be able to still

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<v Speaker 2>generate the speed but maintain his posture. So he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of play in the club. He's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those players that likes to feel a pretty stable face. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all golfs are different, but for him, he likes to

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<v Speaker 2>feel that. So obviously, him starting to move his body

0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the handle gets high, kind of loses the face. You

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<v Speaker 2>see it more. It's more of a detriment in his

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<v Speaker 2>driving when the handle gets high and then he starts

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<v Speaker 2>to miss them out to the right, gets it in

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<v Speaker 2>the heel. So he's really trying to we live in

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a more a lower and a cut pattern

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<v Speaker 2>to try and offset that. Obviously cutting the driver is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot better, but that's where kind of we're working on,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think having a player having a better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of that and then knowing their tendency and competition, well,

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<v Speaker 2>ok I feel like I'm doing it with what are

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<v Speaker 2>the strategies I can put in place to offset that

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<v Speaker 2>until I can go get a good feel for it

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<v Speaker 2>on the range, et cetera. So I think that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that we're probably trying to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>from a technique perspective. But he does some things that

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<v Speaker 2>are really really well. Is a great iron player, but

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<v Speaker 2>we build it around okay, knowing I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a bunch of excessive movement. He's got that great tempo.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, he gets into a trouble sometimes when he

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<v Speaker 2>just comes up and out of his posture, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, but specifically for him because he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to fade it. He doesn't do really well for

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<v Speaker 2>a long period of time. If he's got face flash,

0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.800
<v Speaker 2>some players thrive with that can play really well. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just difficult for him. So that's kind of our moving

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<v Speaker 2>forwards Winter PROJECTIV Life It twenty five is to just

0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.520
<v Speaker 2>keep working towards that so that he can hit the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the face more often, keep the same amount

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<v Speaker 2>of dynamic laugh, same face angle, very predictable shots.

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<v Speaker 1>For everyone listening that you know that would try and

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<v Speaker 1>have a picture of what that looks like. The opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of that would be someone who want to major that.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad worked with Jimmy Walker. Jimmy had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of thrust, a lot of early extension, the handle would

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<v Speaker 1>get really high, He had a lot of face rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>He played a lot through rhythm and timing, so that

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic posture. There are a lot of people, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a word that you and I and all

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<v Speaker 1>the instructors that are listening and the players they're used

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<v Speaker 1>to hearing that. But for the regular golfer, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>listening mark dynamic posture for you and for them means what. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so when we set up at address with bent

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<v Speaker 2>overright and anger, we play golf kind of side on

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<v Speaker 2>and our torsos bent forwards, and we kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of hinge in the pelvis or your hips.

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<v Speaker 2>So ideally, what you'd like to do is just imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that you're rotating around that and unfortunately, if you start

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<v Speaker 2>to stand up and move into the ball, basically now

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<v Speaker 2>you're losing that sort of axis that you set up

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<v Speaker 2>and address. You have to compensate. Now, the best players

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<v Speaker 2>have the best compensations they can manage. Jimmy Walker, Jeff Ogilvy,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of guys in one majors being phenomenal at

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<v Speaker 2>it right. But there's a timing element. So what happens

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<v Speaker 2>is then you get a period of time where you're

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<v Speaker 2>on and then you can kind of be off. Like

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<v Speaker 2>and what we want to try and do now we're

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<v Speaker 2>playing on these elevated events and we want to know

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<v Speaker 2>when we want to play well. It would be easier

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<v Speaker 2>if we could just maintain that axis of rotation our

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<v Speaker 2>posture dynamically because we're moving, hence the dynamic, it would

0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.880
<v Speaker 2>be a lot easier. There'd be less manipulation needed in

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<v Speaker 2>the club face. Theoretically we'd be able to hit some shots.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jack Nicholas early extended and moved into the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can do it right. But it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things where for certain players it's probably much more

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<v Speaker 2>important for them to maintain it than other players. Arguably,

0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.440
<v Speaker 2>if you want to fade it, start the ball left,

0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.160
<v Speaker 2>fall right. As soon as you start moving into the

0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.840
<v Speaker 2>golf ball or thrusting, you're going to kind of open

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<v Speaker 2>the face up shift things out to the right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>great if you aimed thirty yards left and hit a

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<v Speaker 2>push cut, but it's not very good if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to start the ball online to left and hit a fade.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what why I would call dynamic posture. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that if you use your body well and you're

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<v Speaker 2>strong and you do the right things, you guys on

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<v Speaker 2>the tour. The guys do it anyway because it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most effective way to generate speed. If you look at

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<v Speaker 2>long drivers, very rarely do any of them. Actually they

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<v Speaker 2>all extend and jump, but they don't do it early.

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<v Speaker 2>They're super strong and get out the way. They're using

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of falls. So I think that's the thing. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>probably what we knew twenty twenty five years ago when

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<v Speaker 2>you and I were playing golf learning it. Maybe thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, there was a lot more lateral motion in

0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the golf, like side to side, which arguably might promote

0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.800
<v Speaker 2>some of that thrust and jumping and then tossing the

0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.679
<v Speaker 2>club face equipment could have done it. Whereas now you

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.280
<v Speaker 2>can work in a little bit more of a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of rotary fashion, still have plenty of distance and hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ball a long way. So I think that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of for me maintaining dynamic posture. That's kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I'm looking for. Consistency and if I can

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<v Speaker 2>do some things that help you be more consistent, have

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<v Speaker 2>less manipulation at the handle, hit the ball straighter, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal for a tour player. May not be

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<v Speaker 2>such a big deal for a long driver, but straight

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big deal for a tour player.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think one of the things that the

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<v Speaker 1>average golfer, non competitive tour player, recreational golfer, struggles with

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<v Speaker 1>is the speed element, right. I mean, when they do

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<v Speaker 1>have that early extension, the body stalls out and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not blessed with natural speed like people that are playing

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<v Speaker 1>at the elite tour level that have a lot of rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>that have a lot of fast twist muscles. So the

0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 1>average golfer staying in that dynamic posture is actually almost

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.960
<v Speaker 1>more important to them than it is for the tour player,

0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>because the tour player can get by with one talent.

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<v Speaker 1>They have good eye hand coordination, they can manage the

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<v Speaker 1>face through impact, and they have speed, whereas the fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five handicapper doesn't have any of that. They

0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 1>struggle with speed, they struggle with rotation, they struggle with

0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.080
<v Speaker 1>club face control. As you said, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I like about the way that you talk about golf

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<v Speaker 1>swings and work with players, but you talk a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about club face manipulation, and I think the regular recreational

0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:47.280
<v Speaker 1>golfer has so much of that, but they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the other component of it, which is any sort of rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some things that you think the regular everyday

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<v Speaker 1>golfer could do in their practice sessions, Mark to try

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:07.199
<v Speaker 1>and manipulate and manage the club better and manipulate it less,

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>because I think everybody that's playing golf at a recreational

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:17.879
<v Speaker 1>lever is so golf club centric. They're so everything is

0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.960
<v Speaker 1>about the golf club, the handle, the club face, and

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't work backwards and realize, well, the golf club

0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.120
<v Speaker 1>is never going to be able to move itself unless

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.159
<v Speaker 1>you pick it up and move it. It'll stay on

0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.159
<v Speaker 1>the ground, It'll stay in your bag forever unless somebody

0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>picks it up and moves it. So, what is something

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<v Speaker 1>that you think is paramount for everyone listening that can

0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.359
<v Speaker 1>help them manipulate the club face less, which would help them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so obviously your hands are your best friend. The

0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.560
<v Speaker 2>club face is the boss, right and understanding that now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of peak own probably twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago as the first person I saw it. We

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 2>had a I was saying about a lady golf where

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<v Speaker 2>he was teaching and he was using a Potter grip

0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to try and show her the face. And then I

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well, I'm the tourists for using Potto

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 2>grips in loads of different positions to get people aware

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of the face, right, like it's on the side, on

0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.240
<v Speaker 2>an angle or whatever. And to me, like club golfers,

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 2>if you want the hands have to work, right, we

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.919
<v Speaker 2>talk about no hands in the swing. Will your hands

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:29.040
<v Speaker 2>do everything? But not necessarily consciously. There's a lot of this, right.

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>The best players in the world have got this really

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 2>incredible unconscious competency where they just line the face up

0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and they know where it is. And they say that

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.760
<v Speaker 2>they don't like to feel their hands, but their hands

0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.400
<v Speaker 2>are incredible. The club golfer needs to understand how can

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 2>they use their hands and how can they match them

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>up to their body. So I'm all about, look, we're

0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.399
<v Speaker 2>side onto it. Everyone thinks I have to have all

0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>this twisting, like releasing the club. I mean I try

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.280
<v Speaker 2>and get people to do a lot of hand work,

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 2>trail hand only, lead hand only, and understand that you know,

0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>if you put the club down and you've got loft

0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it and you take it back, if you can bring

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it back to a fairly similar position, maybe with a

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.679
<v Speaker 2>shaft leaning forwards, the face is pretty square. There's not

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.119
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of this. We talk about release, but people,

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that's not really what's happening. So with the club goalver

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<v Speaker 2>I like split grips, splitting your hands up so you

0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 2>can understand how the hands actually work together as opposed

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to you put a grip here and it just feels

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 2>a bit weird. Like the lead hand is very important,

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>and so the trail hand. But every golf book and

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.720
<v Speaker 2>we got golf books aol over this academy, you got

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of players to talk about they fail their

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.399
<v Speaker 2>lead hand, and you got loads of hands people have

0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>said they felt the trowl hand. Neither of them is wrong,

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.760
<v Speaker 2>but there's going to be one that works best for you.

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's like becoming familiar with that and understanding which

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.880
<v Speaker 2>is your reference point for your club face, and then

0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>how does your body work. So if you're someone that

0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't turn very well, you may well do well with

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 2>a bit of throw with the right hand, but if

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 2>you're someone who turns well, you'll be probably better off

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 2>with a bit of hold with the left hand. Do

0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like trying to understand which

0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:05.160
<v Speaker 2>one is better for you? And this is what everyone feels.

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>The lessons we all teach to the club golfers that

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, one side we have club players, the other

0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 2>side we have tool players. It's like the club golfers

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 2>is a lot more about showing them out a square

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a club face and what happens so they can then

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.879
<v Speaker 2>learn to swing in the right direction. Tour players is

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.399
<v Speaker 2>more about they know what the face is doing. We

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 2>got to show them whether the planes over here or

0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:27.880
<v Speaker 2>your eight you know what I mean. It's it's kind

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.160
<v Speaker 2>of inverse. But the club golfer, if we can show

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 2>them how to use these less but in the right way,

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times now they have an incentive to

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe use their body a little bit or in the

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.479
<v Speaker 2>way that's best for them. And I think that's the

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 2>part that we've got to understand. It's why moving, you know,

0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.719
<v Speaker 2>a movement assessment's massive. I want to know what somebody

0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>can do. Some people look like they're not very good

0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.479
<v Speaker 2>movement wise. They're covered and they are incredible, and then

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>there's some people are like, man, this this lady, she

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 2>looks really athletic, and they're useless moving right. It's guys girls,

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's trying to assess them and then figure out,

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, which word's going to work better for them,

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 2>and then what can they do with this? Because club golfers,

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>if they can put the club on the ball and

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 2>make it go towards a target, they're kind of hooked.

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Make it easy for them, but then make them understanding

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.720
<v Speaker 2>most of them move badly, and then these have to

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.160
<v Speaker 2>do the wrong thing, Whereas if you can educate these

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.360
<v Speaker 2>to do the right thing, sometimes their body isn't quite

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 2>as crazy. But the funniest thing is that club golfers

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 2>search for speed. Extension itself is speed, right, early extension

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>you can argue get you more speed, but they never

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 2>hit it in the middle of the damn face sentence.

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't do you any good, correct.

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, So scentedness of hit is everything. If you can

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>hit it in the middle and have high smash, whatever

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.479
<v Speaker 2>speed you got, you're putting out to the club. So

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to me, that's more important than potentially trying to go

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 2>after a bunch of speed where you never hit the

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 2>thing in the middle of the face.

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>You started working with Justin Rose, but I think in

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>no like end of twenty twenty two he was a

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 1>major champion. I think the work that he and Sean

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Foley did turned him into one of the elite ball

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>strikers of the last fifteen years. I mean, Rosie was

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>an elite ball striker. What was the remit when he

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 1>came to you at the end of twenty twenty two

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and what have you tried me? What's Rosie now? Early forties?

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>He actually just turned forty four last.

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Week, forty four, So you know, when you get a

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>player like that, I mean, he's done everything in the game, right,

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there isn't anything that he hasn't done, Ryer Cups,

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>FedEx Majors, big tournaments, number one in the world. But

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>what was what was he looking for? And what was

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 1>what you to tried to do together and have done,

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, incredibly successfully over the last two years. You know,

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>to finish second in a major on home soil for

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Rosie at forty four, that's that's there aren't a lot

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of people doing that at his age.

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>And he came through local qualifying too.

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>He did, that's right local. I mean the fact that

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Justin Rows has to qualify from major

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>championships is to me is a joke. I mean it's

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I personally believe if you win a major, you should

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>be there's got to be a category that can get

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you in to where you don't have to go to

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 1>local qualifying having been a major champ. And I know

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a cool part of the story and everybody loves

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 1>it and it's a great story, but I think it's bullshit.

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I think if you've won a major, you shouldn't be

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>going to local qualifying.

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I just don't believe that they call it final qualifying.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, so I think it's pretty funny actually,

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>so I had to there's a story to this, I've

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>told it before, but essentially, Rosie's at Houston and I'm

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>at Houston, and I owed Phil Kenny in a favor,

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 2>so I had to persuade Kennyan to help Homer putt

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 2>on putting, right, So I owed Kenny in a favor.

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>So anyone who knows Phil Kenyan is he's quite persuasive anyway.

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So he's the darn king of putting.

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he is. But anyway, so long story short, he

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>asked me, he goes, I need you to have to

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>have a look at Rosie. So that's kind of how

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 2>it started. And then Rosie came to me. And I

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>think one of the things that's interesting about Rosie is

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>he's had a lot of success, right, but he's notoriously

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>a tinkerer. And I'm Sean's incredible that he went through

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 2>that for fifteen years, which is unbelievable. Now, Sean and

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I have a little different coaching philosophy, sure.

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Just a little.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Way different, right. I'm probably I probably would have been

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>terrible for Rosie when he was younger, but Sean was incredible.

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably a little bit less tolerable of messing around

0:26:56.000 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and trying different stuff. Let's just say that. So Rosie, obviously,

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to your points, won everything. All he wants to do

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>is try and win majors. So he had a chance

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>to kind of win the PGA this year on a

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>course which typically wouldn't suit him, which was a lot

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>of validation he's doing the right things.

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>And then obviously because at the PGA you had to

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>shoot crazy low, it was a shootout, it was like

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>a regular PGA Tour event. And Rosie, throughout his career

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and throughout the peak of his career, is one of

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>those players he wants the golf course to be as

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>hard as possible, correct, right, He doesn't want twenty under

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to win, he wants one under even to win. And

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>when he won his major at Marion, I mean nobody

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>could play that golf course and the shots he hit

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>down the stretch there, nobody could find a way to

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>make any pars coming down the stretch. So he is

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:49.199
<v Speaker 1>that category of player that wants the major championships to

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>be as difficult and as hard as possible. And I

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>think you're right, having success in a major that was

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>at Valhalla, which was a shootout, has got to be

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>validation for him to say, Okay, I can go, I

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>can hang.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think he learned a lot at Valhalla too,

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>because he hadn't been in that situation in a while.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And if you asked him, he probably played the last

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of holes slightly differently. But anyway, I digress. So

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 2>essentially success leaves clues right, And with Rosie he'd had

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 2>some back issues. He had a certain goal swing when

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>he won Marion and arguably when he played his best,

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and he kind of reinvented it again in a seventeen

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and then he kind of was all over the

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>place and he'd kind of liked new information, so he

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of went and saw a bunch of a few

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>different people, and I think he was a little bit cluttered,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and I basically when he asked me, I said, well,

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the shot you want to hit is this straight to

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>full left shot or what you're doing that's not going

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to work? How you move, you know, what does your

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>body do? So I talked to Justin Buckthorpe at the

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>time and Charlie Marshall there kind of his team, and

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>we talked about what he does well, what he doesn't

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>do well, and I was like, Rosie, you probably need

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to get back a little bit more to what you

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>did in two thousand and you know thirteen when you

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>won the Open lawa arm playing a little bit deeper,

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more, turn, a little bit more in

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 2>your body, in your tilts, so to speak. And I

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>think that was really the nucleus of it, and has

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>started hitting it quite well again. But obviously he gets

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bored with stuff, so you've got to reinvent

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and say the same thing a few different ways. And

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where we've actually got this blueprint.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>It stayed pretty similar, we've deviated a little bit. We

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of went back more towards where we originally started

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of earlier part of this year. So I think

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where he's a lot of

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>what he and Shured did really really well. I've taken

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of that, especially some of the backswing stuff,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and then with some of the stuff we now know

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>about ground reaction forces and kind of how it to

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>generate speed and power, I've kind of married some of

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that now in his downswing, So he does some different

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>things through the all to kind of stop him sliding

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and tilding quite as much. He's another one that has

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>a tendency to kind of pop up out of it

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he has some face flips. So there's some

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>similarities between him and Max. And Rosie's pretty perceptive because

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>he said one of the things that it was interesting

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to him was you like Max's golf swing, and so

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it's as a student of the swing. He's one of

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>those people who wanted to understand. But they actually have

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>a few similarities, so it's no surprise that they've both

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 2>been somewhat successful with the pattern that they're in. But

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>for me, he does everything incredibly well. He is the

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>consummate professional, so and I for me coach in Max

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>who wants to get to number one in the world,

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and Rosie's been there. A lot of what Rosie does

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 2>are things that I can share with my younger players,

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 2>like Alex Fitz who's in there, Matt's younger brother. It's

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where, look, this is what's got

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>someone to number one in the world. These are the

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>some of the special things that they do that those

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>are things that you could incorporate with other players, and

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 2>we always say that we learn more from the players

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.479
<v Speaker 2>than they learn from us. But in this scenario, it's

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>certainly the case is just okay, how can I use that?

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>But Rosie does the right stuff. I mean, he's got

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>this sub Rosa bus that this wing. We're in Greensboro.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean that's David Darbyshire. I mean I

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>remember darbs telling me that years ago at Augusta that

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Rosie had this idea to make this like recovery bus

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that I think it was. It just kind of came

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>out on all the social channels of this recovery bus

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>that Rosie's kind of come up with. I interviewed Rosie

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>when he was working with Sean. It's got to be

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>six years ago, seven years ago at Memorial he shot,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, a really good score there, and I think

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of they really pushed the envelope mark

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>with track man, trying to zero everything out, all this stuff.

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>And I asked him about that and he said, we've

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of got I've kind of gone away from that

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>with Sean. And I had to tell falls, listen, my

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>feels are sacred to me. What I feel in the

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 1>golf swing is sacred to me and he said, I

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>think sometimes you can go down the rabbit hole of

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all of the numbers. So he's a very analytical guy.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've known him a long time. He kind

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>of came up the ranks with Adam Scott, so I

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>still remember he and Scotti when they were playing on

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the European Tour. Rosie's always been very very curious, very

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>very analytical. How do you, as a coach marry that

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>how much is too much? Because he's one of those

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Immlman type characters, give me more information, more info,

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>more info, more info. So how how do you as

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the coach and work with him as the player to say, Okay,

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>how much tech and how much info do we give

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>you versus how much of your feels being sacred to you?

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>You're the player, how do you fly the plane on

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>instinct as well as with all the information.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great point. Well, I think what I

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>tell over every player is my job is to be

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 2>able to catalog and quantify their feels. That makes sense,

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 2>like objective. So as a team, Rosy's very fortunate Charlie

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 2>travels with him. He's got dogs out and done as well.

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 2>And then JB. So we know Rosie's been measured every

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>which way and Sunday and regularly, so we know what's

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>actually happening objectively. And Rosie's feels are subjective and they

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>are sacred, but feels can change daily. So as long

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>as Rosy's within the pattern, the blueprint that we have

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>from set up, back, swinging downswing and delivery, and he's

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>doing the right things and he's moving well, his fields

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>can be really abstract and radically different day to day

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>for the same movement, which is hard for people to

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 2>grasp and as a coach I probably didn't appreciate that

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>until the last few years in that my job is

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to look at what they're doing. And that's why I

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>talk about having different vernacular with different players, but putting

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>their feels. So when when I commune with Rosie, I'm

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>giving back to him in the fields and the ways

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>that he teaches. But in my brain it's like, well,

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that's his wording and feel for this, and so we

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>know what he's actually doing and needs to do, and

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 2>when he deviates from that, okay, and then how are

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you going to get him back to that using some

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of his vernacular, his feels and his words, and so

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 2>he uses a lot of colors. It's quite interesting. Most

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 2>people think that these players, you know, they must be

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>really technical, but I think they're geniuses. They take very

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>technical things and make them so dumb and simple that

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>they're incredible. By Buddy doctor will Woo, he's big on Like, look,

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the best stuff is super external, super abstract because it

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>works under pressure, technical thinking, internalizing it is rarely does

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it works sometimes, but very rare. So with Rosie, it's

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 2>all about understanding his feels, quantifying them, and then being

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>able to relay them back to him. And so we

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 2>have copious amounts of notes when you feel this, hey,

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>all this, and he's great to share. And I had

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>success doing this when I was dealing with Sean, So

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like my job is to remember all of that

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and then be able to bring it up when he's

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>in a pickle. And I think that's the part that

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 2>people don't really see. And coaching is like different to teaching.

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Teaching is like getting someone to do something technically. Coaching

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 2>is then trying to bring them back to be able

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to allow them to play the game. And as we

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 2>often talk about on ranges, we do good warm ups

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>we do bad warm ups, we perform well, we perform

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 2>badly as coaches, but some of our best work is

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>when we can get the player back towards their fields

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that they came up with that allow them to be

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>able to master their swing and be able to go

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 2>play great. And for Rosie, he is abstract. He is

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>out there. Definitely, I have to pull him up. Don't

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 2>go down a rabbit hole, buddy. I mean, I'm not

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 2>going to use it on this podcast, but I'm English,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 2>so you can imagine some of the language that get used.

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>And in our team we kind of use a lot

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>of it. But it is one of those things where

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I think having a bit of a heavier hand and

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>not being scared to stick my neck out there and say, Amy,

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>don't be it is something that Rosie now is very

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>susceptible to and receptive to older in his career. When

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 2>he's younger, he probably wasn't and I probably would have

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 2>been a disaster. And that's why Foles was so good

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>for him.

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Even though he didn't win. I mean I went through

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a similar situation. The shot that he hit on Sunday

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven on Sunday didn't get it done. Obviously he's

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Ander wins his second major, but stand in the middle

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of the sixteenth fairway. Part five, he roasts driver off

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the deck because he's trying to win the tournament. I

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>had a similar situation when when I was working with

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Ernie Els in twelve. He was ready to quit and

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>at the Olympic Club that the US Open that Web won,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he got in the mix. He made an eagle and

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 1>got in the mix. On the back nine, I think

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>it was sixteen. Pinn was back left. He was in

0:36:57.880 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the fairway, I think he was one

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>or two back at the time, and he went right

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>at the flag, hit it over the flag, hitting the bunker,

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>ended up making bogie. But I remember thinking afterwards and

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 1>he said it, he said, we're over the hump. He's

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>because in that situation, it would have been very easy

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>for him to dump it to twenty five thirty feet,

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>get out of there and just but he as a

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>as a guy that's won major's before. Rosie's in that

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>category as well. Ernie was trying to win the golf

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 1>tournament and I said to myself, I think we're we're

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>over the issues of is he still good enough to

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>win again? And he won the Open a couple of

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>weeks later. Obviously Adam Scott helped him, but you must

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>have been proud of the fact that he attempted to

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>do that as a coach. Because driver off the deck,

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>they make it look easy. It's not an easy shot.

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>It's sure as hell is an easy shot in Scotland

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>off of that grass too. And then he hit a

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>great shot and didn't but he didn't make the putt.

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>But my point is he's trying to win the golf

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>tournament at that point and he feels like, Okay, this

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 1>is the shot. If I'm going to have any chance

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>with two holes left, I have to do something now.

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think it was just vintage. Justin Rowe stand there,

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>driver after deck and he had a beautiful shot. It

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>must have been pretty satisfying for you to see that,

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>even though he didn't get the w Yeah.

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>No, The ironic part is Charlie and I are standing

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 2>on the Fairewey and I'm like, he's hitting driver. This

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>is unbelievable, and Rosie so doesn't. But again, he's trying

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to win the golf tournament. I mean, He'll be honest,

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to win the golf tournament at the PGA,

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and he probably didn't quite do it the way he

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>wanted to, but again, he's in that situation he's like

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>going to take the shot on and then he actually did,

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, that's the first time I've actually hit

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 2>a driver after deck in a tournament, let alone when

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm in contention. He goes, but I wanted to like

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>prove to myself, Look, I'm going to take this on.

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to back down. So I think one

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 2>of the coolest things is he said that he needed

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to shoot six under to win the Open. He shot

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>four under. He left a couple out there. He didn't

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>play his best round of golf, and Zana said, that's

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 2>the best round of golf he's ever played. So my

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>thing to Rosie was, look, there's a lot of validation.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 2>You're doing all the right things. You've got a chance

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to make history in the next five years, to be

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the guys who's won multiple majors at your age.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>You can do that. The way you take care of yourself,

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the way you practice, the things, you do, the experiments.

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I always say, look, if you've got wisdom and experience,

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>but you've got the vitality of youth. You've got this

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>perfect recipe to be an incredible player, and if you

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>can make sure you don't have any scar tissue, now

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden you can put yourself in that situation.

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>And obviously he's finished second in every major right, so

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where all he cares about

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 2>is winning major championships. That is his guy. I was

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 2>playing the Ryder Cup and win majors. So he's now

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 2>got that opportunity. We can plan twenty twenty five. He's

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 2>in all the majors. We're ready to go. So I

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>think it's great as a coach to be part of that.

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Someone that's highly motivated, a lot of experience, does the

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>right things, and then our job is to frame things

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>to where we can motivate our players. But for me,

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just excited that he has the opportunity to, you know,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe get that green jacket and win a Claric Jug

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and these other things, which is as coaches, that's the

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 2>gratifying part. It's more about being a part of the

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 2>team that helps somebody be successful. So Rosie is a

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun to work with. He's highly entertaining. I

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>think he's calmed down a lot in his older age,

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>which is fortunate for me as a coach.

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned ground force reactions. That is a kind of

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>buzzword I think in instruction right now. I think a

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of people listening may have heard that, maybe know

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>what it is. But for you, dumb it down for

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone listening, what are groundforce reactions? There have been some

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 1>really cool videos. You did one with Charlie hoff and

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>out of TPI, but you did one with Trey MOLINACX

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>with this kind of thing that I bought off the internet,

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that kind of sliding thing and stuff. But for you,

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>what are ground force reactions and what do they mean

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>for everyone listening?

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So really simplified is so you have an action

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>force that's us applying a force to do something, and

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>then there is a reaction created from that, right, simple physics.

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 2>For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. So

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>if I apply a certain type of force, and if

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I take one of my foot joys off here, basically

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 2>we've got up and down vertical, we've got right left,

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and we've got frictional sort of forwards and backwards. Okay,

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>we call that anterior posteria this would be right left

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 2>mediolateral and then that's vertical. You can use those forces,

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and this is controversial because some golf coaches don't think

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>you do. But the reality is, like you measure people,

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>whether it's conscious or unconscious. These are happening, so they're

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>not some phantom thing that's just I've got a fifty

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 2>expensive device in there that they have.

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>A swing catalyst. I mean, I mean it measures. It

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>tells you what people are doing with their feet and

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>how they're moving, pressure and all that stuff. You can

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can argue about it, or everybody can

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 1>argue about the data, but the data is real.

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 2>So the data's there. We use the gas plates that

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean they are they're three D force plates, so

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>it's showing you what happens. So there's ways to you

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 2>can either put energy into the club or the handle

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>or at your feet. Everyone's putting at the handle, but

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you can control certain situations and you can put energy

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 2>into the club by how you apply force at the ground.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 2>So ground reaction forces, so you put an action force

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>in and the reaction is what happens from the words

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>ground reaction forces or however you want to describe it,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and Essentially, in the swing, you're you know, you're trying

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to do certain things to help you deliver the golf club,

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and movement at the feet can either help or hinder

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 2>how you deliver the golf club. And so essentially it's

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a it's a mechanism to help you square the face

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>up depending on how you move. And to me, that's

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>an advantage that we didn't really have a few years ago,

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and how you can really help players generate a lot

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of speed. The best hitters, you know, the really long

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>they're putting about the long hitters I see in here.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Alex Fitzpatrick's a long hitter. He puts two hundred and

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.439
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of his body weight vertically into the golf ball. Too.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Average is about one ninety at TPI. We got a

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.280
<v Speaker 2>great database between what I got here, what Greg's got TPI.

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>We got the same system. Como uses it. Steve Goulds

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the creator of it. But we have enough evidence to

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 2>say this is what happens longer hitters. Long drivers put

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot more force into the ground vertically, so they're

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 2>pushing down, they're going up, and that allows them to

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>pull up and on the handle and kind of speed

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the club up right, because as we go up, the

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>handle decelerates, which feeds the head up. I mean, it's

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 2>just simple, right, Like, it's not complicated, and it's just

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 2>a great way to work and to teach people. Like

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>it's something that you can use. Sometimes it's difficult, sometimes

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>it's easy, but it's also a way to stop people

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe moving in a certain direction. Someone like Trey that

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 2>has a hip issue, he essentially has naturally created a

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>mechanism to help him rotate really well to hit a

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 2>cup or he hangs on his back foot and unfortunately

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 2>that led to his fema getting driven up into his

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.479
<v Speaker 2>hip and he wore out his labor on his right leg.

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 2>So we've tried to teach him in that video you

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>saw to get to his lead leg and use his

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 2>lead leg, which we see most of the best players

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 2>being a lot more dominant in their lead side left

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>leg for a right handed golfer in pushing and to

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>try and get himself to rotate, so we take streps

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 2>off his right hip. So that'd be an example of

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 2>ways to where you could use ground reactions forces to

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 2>help you. And then conversely, lots of players that let's

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 2>say do lose their posture dynamically, there are certain things

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 2>we can do to use the ground to flex us forwards,

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 2>to try and help us stay in our posture. So

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole mirror of things. But you know what,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's in all different sports sciences. The golf back biomechanists

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:25.919
<v Speaker 2>and biomechanists at soccer clubs, rugby clubs, cricket clubs, they're

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>all using it. So the golf coaches and people who

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily think it's relevant, well, the rest of the

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.439
<v Speaker 2>sports science world thinks it is. So arguably I'd say

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>the science generally wins over. I don't claim to be

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>a genius expert at it, but i feel pretty competent

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.879
<v Speaker 2>with it, and I've seen lots of success using it,

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen it help lots of players. So to me,

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 2>it's my responsibility to educate myself to give people the

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 2>best information possible. And as I said, and maybe on

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>this show before, I'd much rather get information now as

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a cool give help someone another twenty years ago. But

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>like I say, we're practicing golf instruction just like they're

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>practicing medicine. We learn more, we get better, we have

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>better strategies, better solutions, so we can help people. And

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>obviously our athletes are getting bigger, faster, and stronger, and

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>our job is to keep them healthier longer so they

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 2>can play for all this cash that's been thrown around.

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 1>One of the things phrases that I like that you

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>use is feed the fault. Yeah, feeding the fault. Talk

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to us what that means and how you use feeding

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>the fault in teaching, because I think it's a fact.

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a it's a great it's a great

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.399
<v Speaker 1>way to think about it. As soon as I heard

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.240
<v Speaker 1>you say that, I was like, Yeah, I really really

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. I love that kind of concept. But for

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 1>people that don't know what that is, what is feeding

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the fault for you?

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's say I'm I'm kind of coming. Was

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 2>just used as real simply let's say my hands are

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>shifting out, I'm coming over the top. Well, I'm going

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to do some things to make you do that more

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>so that you have to resist and figure out. Okay, well,

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 2>how would I not make that happen? Just like if

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you're moving into the ball, I'm going to move you

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.720
<v Speaker 2>into the ball more so that you have to stop

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 2>yourself doing that. So by feeding the fault. I'm kind

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 2>of amplifying its significance to make it worse and then

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>trying to get you to counter that and intuitively figure out, well,

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 2>how would I do that? Now, I can lead you

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 2>to the solution, or I can kind of put you

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>in a scenario where you don't have a choice but

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 2>to do something different, which then is reflected in how

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 2>the club's moving, whether it's the club base, whether it's

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the shaft, whatever it may be. So that's where I

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 2>would say, feed the fault. Like I didn't come up

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 2>with it. I think it's out of the mode of

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>learning world. Greg uses it quite a lot of TPI

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>as well, But it seems to be like if you

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 2>push someone towards what they're doing, they tend to start

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to figure out a way to how to remedy that

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and counter it. And now that internally they've come up

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 2>with a feel or a queue or when you do

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 2>this to me, I feel like I'm doing that. Okay,

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:01.760
<v Speaker 2>well let's explore that. Now it's internally come from them.

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Tends to have a lot more sticking power than if

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I just give you a queue, right, Because back to

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Rosie's comment, feels a sacred so it's like, if you

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 2>come up with the feel yourself, now, all of a sudden,

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 2>it's much more pliable and it's much more relatable to

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you yourself. So that's kind of feeding the fault. I

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>think with anything, any sort of swing issue, whatever it

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>might be saying with chipping bunker shots, I'm always trying

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to do that because I'm trying to get the person

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to start thinking and problem solve themselves as to how

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>would I be able to do that right. So, let's

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 2>say somebody's chunking a chip and they're going down. They're

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.720
<v Speaker 2>not using their body, they're not extending out to sholler

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the club out. I might push them down even more

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.359
<v Speaker 2>and then they're forcing themselves. They're having a stand up

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, okay, so how does that feel? What

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>are you doing now? All of a sudden they're like, oh,

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I have to extem my legs in turn as I

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.360
<v Speaker 2>come up. Yeah, that's what good pictures do. And you

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>pull up a video Jordan Speith and you're like, oh, wow,

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>he's doing yeah Brett Rumfan, Wow, so now you kind

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of So that's how I would best describe it as

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 2>just intuitively making someone realize they probably needs to do

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the opposite of what they're doing to have the right solution.

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I remember when we first started going

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 1>through all the TPI stuff and going through all the

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 1>TPI screens. This has got to be back two thousand

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and five, Ryan Chrysler, who works with me. Ryan and

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I were talking about, you know, early extension, how to

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>get people to feel like their lower body didn't go

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>closer to the golf course or the golf ball at impact.

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>He said, I've got this idea. I'm going to make

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>this move club. So he took a seven iron, made

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it two inches short, and made it way way flat,

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>super super flat. So now if you early extend, the

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>golf club is two inches shorter than your normal seven iron.

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's massively flat. So if you do that, you basically

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 1>can't get the golf club on the ball. You'll hit shanks,

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you'll hit tops. It just didn't work. And it's it's

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>funny that you mentioned that. I just as you were

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about I was like, man, Ryan was doing that.

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Five. You know, I talked to the juniors a lot

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 1>all the time. You know, when we hit you know,

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll have them set up, We'll have them putting alignment

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 1>stick down. I'll film them from face on and they'll

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>hit a snap hook, that one you know, that'll go

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>miles to the left, and I'll be like, okay, I

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:29.439
<v Speaker 1>can show you the video. Your club face is dead

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>square at address you. We can see where you're aiming,

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.439
<v Speaker 1>so you're not aiming there and the club face isn't

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.839
<v Speaker 1>aiming there. So if I ask you, just hit it

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 1>forty yards left to your target. Do that again and

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:47.160
<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, what, No, no set up, square, club

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>face square, hit me one that starts left of the

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>left bunker. What would you have to do? So re

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.439
<v Speaker 1>engineering the miss Yeah, And I guess that's my way

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 1>of feeding the fault is okay, so you're not set

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>up to do this, you're doing it. What is your

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.720
<v Speaker 1>body doing and what are you doing with the golf

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 1>club to do this? And I think reverse engineering backwards

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 1>from that to say, okay, now what do you need

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to do to not hit the golf ball over there

0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 1>from this good set up position that you're in. I

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.919
<v Speaker 1>think it's really powerful, and you mentioned it. I think

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the power behind this is me as instructors. The best

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>thing for me is when a player feels it themselves

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and they go, oh yeah. I felt that because I

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 1>can give you. You can give a player a thousand different fields, thoughts, moves, ideas,

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but they have to then take one of them and

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>go okay. I felt that one. Yes, I was able

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 1>to do that. And I think that idea of feeding

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the fault and figuring out I think it can help

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the player figure it out themselves. Lastly, Gordon, sergeant, you

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 1>work with him. This kid has I mean, go ahead

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and just depress everybody. What is his club at speeding?

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 1>His ball speed is with the driver? What was he

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>cruise at with just thirty six thousand feet take the seatbelt,

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>sign off with the driver not trying to hit it far?

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 1>What's he cruise at club at speeding ball speed?

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Probably eighty seven eighty eight maybe with a he's touching.

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he can get one to ninety knob problem

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 2>he's not even really trying. And then his club speeds

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>like high one twenties, touching one three.

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 1>So I watched him play at the Floridian, and I

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 1>watched him on our eighteenth pole, you know, hit it

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards offline into the lake and make, you know,

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>make a huge number. So The reason I bring this

0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.399
<v Speaker 1>up is when he showed up at Augusta a couple

0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 1>of years ago, everybody on life from was like, with

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 1>this speed and as far as he hits it, he

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>could contend here as a college amateur golfer. Everybody is

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to get more speed in golf, right, everybody listening

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to this podcast is trying to get more speed. For

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a guy like Gordon sergent Mark, it is an embarrassment

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 1>of riches in the speed department for him. So how

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 1>do you go about turning this f one Ferrari red

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Bull this massive, massive power and how do you get

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>him to somehow manage it to where it can help him?

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>And he just isn't a player that everybody goes He's

0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:49.720
<v Speaker 1>got unbelievable speed, but he's not winning five, six, seven

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>times a year. Yeah.

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 2>So I think one of the things when Gordon came

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.439
<v Speaker 2>to seeing he was like, you guys talk supplies about

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 2>what you do. He's had a lot of success. The

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 2>kid is a start Yeah, lovely kid, great to work with,

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:07.799
<v Speaker 2>great family and you know, really rounded. But it's one

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.680
<v Speaker 2>of the things that's interesting is like, well, what's your

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>go to shot or don't really have one. So like

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>the first thing we kind of really worked on was

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:18.760
<v Speaker 2>like a tee down driver, like just this little leader

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's pretty funny because it's like one eighty seven

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>ball speed like this.

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the fairway finders one eighty seven.

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Ball speed fairway finder and it, I mean he probably

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 2>averages one eighty five ball speed with it, and it

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 2>gets out there and it runs a long way. So

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that was number one. It was sort of

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.279
<v Speaker 2>a fair way finder. And then really where we've done

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 2>most of the work. He likes to play a fade,

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 2>but he is with his wedges, so his wedges, like

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 2>most high speed guys really struggling with low launch, had

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 2>a way too much spin on the ball Shoal Creek

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 2>where we're both members theorists for spinning the ball off

0:54:55.680 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 2>the green right, So using a quad and explain to

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 2>him which he has like dynamic loft spin loft and

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I kind of what's going to make it spin less?

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Just working through that and building a wedge game, and

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 2>that's probably one of the things that we've done is

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.040
<v Speaker 2>like really improve his distance wedge game so that he's

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 2>understand it's a slightly different technique, not nearly as much riskset,

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.800
<v Speaker 2>not nearly as much speed, a lot more body driven

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>passive kind of at the handle shaft leaning to get

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the low launch, some higher spin, but not spin that's

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 2>zipping off the green just like I don't. And I

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 2>think that's kind of where we've done a lot of

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 2>work and we'll continue to He's going back to school

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 2>this year, so he's at the US and this over

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>this week. Hopefully he'll get that, which would be kind

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of the last thing he needs to do as an amateur.

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 2>He's done everything else that you can do, but he's

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:48.279
<v Speaker 2>going back to school to try and continue working on

0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 2>his game. He's at Vanderbilt, so not too far from Birmlingham,

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and then he'll turn pro. He's obviously got that PGA

0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.759
<v Speaker 2>to you, but he's got a bright future and he

0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 2>works really really hard at all assets of it. And

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.359
<v Speaker 2>I think back to the point about Justin Rose and say,

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 2>working with Max and these great players, over time you

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>start to see what good players do, and then the

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.920
<v Speaker 2>fun part is then sharing that mentoring these younger players,

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and they get access to those players as well, do

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like that, which I think

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 2>is going to help their game as well, so it's

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:21.920
<v Speaker 2>really when you've got that much speed, you have the

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 2>essential ingredient. It's learning how to harness it and then

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.799
<v Speaker 2>being disciplined enough to be okay, where do I hit this?

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 2>What do I need to do? And when you've got

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 2>one eighty five bull speed with a tee down, there's

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>not many golf courses you can't play with that shot. Now,

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the hard part is that you can tee it up

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.799
<v Speaker 2>and now you can hit it another thirty yards. That's

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.520
<v Speaker 2>when it's like difficult because it's like, well, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>if I hit this and now I can hit an

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 2>aid iron into this five hundred and ninety yard part

0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:53.120
<v Speaker 2>five versus now I'm having to hit a five itn

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? It's just it's an

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<v Speaker 2>ability to know when to use it. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the part that it's going to take some time. That's

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the coaching part that's fun. But he's incredible. The funny

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 2>part is talk about ground reaction forces. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>can get him over two hundred miles an hour bullsby

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<v Speaker 2>no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So but it's the DJ model, right, It's you know

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 1>DJ back in fifteen. I mean, he hit it further

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>than everybody in the game he had. Now everybody hits it.

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:23.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, ten years ago there were four or five

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 1>guys that hit it a long way, really really really long.

0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 1>DJ was one of them. But his wedge game was terrible,

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and so by becoming a better wedge player, I believe

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that helped him win his first major and helped him

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get to number one in the world and go,

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, plus twenty plus wins and the Masters and

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 1>all the FedEx and all the stuff he did. He

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>had the power, but the wedge game was horrendous. And

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, Gordon's in the same category

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.439
<v Speaker 1>that DJ was in back. Then think about how many

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>wedges he's got in the course of a round of golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the I always say that when someone starts

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<v Speaker 2>to see the difference and the control, but not only

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in distance but dispersion, and then they say, man, if

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I use that wedge swing with my aid R, it's

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable how straight it goes. And so you start to

0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 2>get these these things where the players know intuitively, okay,

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.000
<v Speaker 2>well I could apply this to hear. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that lots of the things that you can learn this

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.840
<v Speaker 2>is I've reached this a lot to people with a

0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 2>distance wedge. Learning how to control loft, knowing how to

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>lean the shaft, but not sticking in the ground. All

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.560
<v Speaker 2>of these things that allow you to be a great

0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 2>ball hitter happen with a wedge game. So if you

0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 2>could develop a distance wedge game, let's say sixty to

0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 2>one forty, it does wonders for the whole part of

0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 2>your game. And to your point, when a smash is

0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 2>hitting wet, they have a lot of wedges, So now

0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, it's like you're really contributing to

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 2>their score. And because they're even if they aren't put great,

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have a lot of shots inside fifteen feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I could do another hour of this,

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna let you go and I'm gonna go

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>open a bottle of wine. Listen. It was really really fun.

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as somebody, and I don't say this to

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 1>beat you up about it, is someone that's been lucky

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 1>enough to work with players that have won major championships.

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 1>When you've got guys trying to win one, it is

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>for us as coaches, it is the pinnacle of what

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 1>we do. And to have two guys this year have

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 1>two legit chances of it. It wears you out, it

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>beats you up, but it's the reason why we do this.

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:36.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm proud of the work that you do.

0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm lucky to be able to at tournaments in the

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 1>players lounge on the driving range when we're sitting around

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>waiting for these superstars, it's fun to pick your brain.

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 1>You've always been somebody that has been very, very open

0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>with the information that you've got, and you're somebody that

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.600
<v Speaker 1>I will ask questions to about Hey man, what do

0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you think about this with this player and stuff like that,

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully that will continue. We'll look forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 1>you soon. Good luck in the FedEx with all the boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep hanging trophies.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Appreciate it, Appreciate you, Appreciate our friendship, thanks to everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially appreciate your nice text after the Masters. Didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, so you're the man. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look forward to seeing you soon. Hopefully I see you

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<v Speaker 2>at an International Cup match at some point soon. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see about that. Yeah, hopefully hopefully. Good to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 2>ye buddy, take care of bite So.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Blackburn listen he's one of the best in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>He works with some of the best players in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the work that he does with players, not

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<v Speaker 1>only on tour, but the work he does off tour

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<v Speaker 1>as well, is second to none. And someone who I

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<v Speaker 1>very very much respect and enjoyed talking to. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was cool. I hope everyone enjoyed it. I'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>live event this week and one of the really cool

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 1>things this morning seeing all the guys that have just

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<v Speaker 1>come back from the Olympics into breakfast and get an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to just kind of ask them how it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are wearing, you know, the workout clothes

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<v Speaker 1>from their teams. A couple of the guys I saw

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<v Speaker 1>wac o'neman over the weekend down in Jupiter. He still

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<v Speaker 1>had the chili bag. I think the Olympics and golf

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<v Speaker 1>is really something special. And just talking to the guys

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<v Speaker 1>and asking them their experience what it was like, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was just blown away. They all said it was really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of life changing for them. Must talk to John

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<v Speaker 1>Rahm and I said to Rambo, I said, how was it?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, one of the coolest things I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>Really one of the coolest things I've ever been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of. And for a guy like John ram a

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<v Speaker 1>two time major champion, He's got a green jacket us Open,

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<v Speaker 1>the number one in the world. For him to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>and for him to say that when he blew a

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<v Speaker 1>big lead at the Olympics, he was leading on the

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<v Speaker 1>back nine and didn't get it done, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. Today to get an opportunity just to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to all of the different players talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>it meant for them to represent their in the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty special. Roy McElroy made some comments

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<v Speaker 1>about he thinks it's on par with kind of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on at the Ryder Cup, that kind of feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think it would be cool if there

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<v Speaker 1>was an opportunity to have a team competition in the

1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Ryder Cup as well, not just an individual but they'll

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<v Speaker 1>work it out. But Paris the Olympics this summer, I watched,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the men play, I watched the women play,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am a fan. So really cool to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody and something that I would just really as

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<v Speaker 1>a coach if I could work with a player that

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Olympics, that would be pretty pretty special.

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