1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Well, Elon Musk gives now the richest person on the planet. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: More than half the satellites in space are owned and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: controlled by one man. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: Starting his own artificial intelligence company. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Well, he's a legitimate super genius. I mean legitimate. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 4: He says. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: be different. 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 5: He'll vote Republican. 10 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: There is a reason the US government is so reliant 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: on him. 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 6: Elon Musk is a scam artist and he's done nothing. 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 4: Anything he does is fascinating the people. 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to Elon Inc. Where we discuss Elon Musk's vast 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: corporate empire, his latest gambits and antics, and how to 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: make sense of it all. I'm your host, David Poppadopolis. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Tesla has been hit for the first time in its 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: history with the strike. The company's mechanics in Sweden put 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: down their tools October. Now the action is spread across 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: other Nordic countries, with workers involved in Tesla deliveries in Denmark, 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: Finland and Norway jumping in and supporting their striking Swedish counterparts. 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: The showdown could have serious implications for Musk, especially as 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: the United Auto Workers Union sets its sites on Tesla's 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: factories here in the US. Meanwhile, Musk is focused on 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: bringing Alex Jones back to X. No, that's not a joke. 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: More on that later. But to discuss the strike in Europe, 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: we'll talk to Dana Hall, longtime Tesla reporter. Hello, Dana, 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: good morning. And Craig Trudell, our global auto industry editor 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: in London. Thinking then our regulars Max Chafkin, Sarah Fryer 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: and Dana. We'll talk about the latest happenings on X 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: and they'll also give you a very special gift guide 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: made up entirely of ads found on X. Very important. Okay, so, Craig, 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: we're going to start with you. And in Sweden and 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: now Elon and Tesla don't have a factory there, but 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: tell us exactly who is striking and why. 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: The union we're talking about here is if mattal So. 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: This is Sweden's industrial workers union, and it's really old. 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: It's been around for one hundred and thirty five years. 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: This is a country that, ironically, you know, it has 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: a lot of consumers that you would think would be 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: quite fond of a brand like Tesla, a lot of 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: sort of eco conscious, you know, sustainability minded consumers, and 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: this is a union that has been around an awfully 44 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: long time. 45 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: It's a consumer base that is indeed, you know, environmentally focused, 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: and it's a wealthy consumer base, right. 47 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, Dannon will know this well. 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: I mean this, this is a region that has been 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: really important to Tesla's history. You know, Norway is you know, 50 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: very close by, maybe the first country in the world 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: to go electric in terms of new car sales. Sweden, 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 4: you know, is a relatively small market in the grand 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: scheme of things, but it is Tesla's fifth biggest market 54 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: in Europe, and so it is not an insignificant market 55 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: for them, at least in this region. 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: It is the first strike ever anywhere in the world 57 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: against Tesla, but it's not a whole lot of workers, right, 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: We're talking about mechanics at a bunch of shops across 59 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: the country, is that right. 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is really small. We're talking about seven repair 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: shops in the country, roughly one hundred and thirty people. 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: And so when we talk about this being the first 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: ever strike at Tesla, I think it's really a function 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: of that more so than anything, the fact that you 65 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: have this union that itself is pretty big and has 66 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: been around a long time, but you know this sort 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: of you know, people involved is quite small. It's also 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: a country with really strong protections for organized labor and 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: for unions, where you know, Tesla can't tell workers, sorry, 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: you can't join a union if you want to work here. 71 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: That's just the way things work in the country. And 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: I think that's kind of where where you know, we're 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: seeing issues here is you know, the way that Sweden 74 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: works is just very different from the US, where you know, 75 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: Musk is used to the UAW sort of striking up 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: an advers adversarial relationship between workers and management. He doesn't 77 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: want that, but I think he misunderstands really how Sweden works. 78 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: This is a country that doesn't have a you know, 79 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: minimum wage. You know, this is something that the government 80 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: sort of leaves up to management and workers to work 81 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: out for themselves through the collective bargaining process. 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: So Dana, let's pause there for a second and flesh 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: that that his thinking out there a little bit more 84 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: for us. 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 7: I mean, Elon is not a union guy, and Tesla 86 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 7: has never had a union. And what's interesting is that 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 7: if you look at the history of the Tesla plant 88 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 7: in Fremont, California. It did used to be union when 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 7: it was owned by New me which was this kind 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 7: of rare, very unique joint venture between General Motors and Toyota, 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 7: so back in the eighties and then in the nineties, 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 7: like knew me was a union plant. Then it went bankrupt, 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 7: all the workers were let go. It was like this 94 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 7: sort of desolate crater of a factory. Tesla bought it 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 7: in twenty ten, and some of the workers that are 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 7: there at Tesla came. 97 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: From nu Mei. 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 7: So there's always been like a very small faction within 99 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 7: the plant that worked for you know, there were UAW 100 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 7: members who wanted to see the UAW come back, and 101 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen, when Tesla was ramping the Model three, 102 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 7: there was a really strong effort to try to unionize 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 7: that plant that ultimately kind of petered out and went nowhere. 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: We do know that he has a pretty dim view 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: on unions. It's the libertarian in him. Here's what he 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: had to say about unions a couple of weeks ago 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: with the Deal Book conference in New York. 108 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 5: I disagree with the idea of unions. I think the 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: unions naturally try to create negativity in a company and 110 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 5: create a sort of lords and peasants situation. There are 111 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 5: many people at Tesla who have gone from working on 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 5: the line to being in senior management. There is no 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 5: laws and peasants. 114 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: And so when he talks about the things and the 115 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: reasons he's against unions, I mean one of the things, 116 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: and I believe that actually comes up in the Deal 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: book interview. He says things like, listen, I've got workers 118 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: who work for me on the line who have become 119 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: millionaires just working the line and from their stock options, right, 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: stock options that he says they would never get if 121 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: they were unionized. Yeah. 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 7: No, that's a huge part of Musk's thinking that everyone 123 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 7: at Tesla has equity in the company, and that if 124 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 7: you're in a union, you pay union dues to this 125 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 7: sort of parallel management structure that he thinks is basically corrupt. 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 7: And you know, to his credit, I mean, you know, 127 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 7: he's not exactly wrong on some levels. I mean, the 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 7: former UAW president did go to federal prison, like for 129 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 7: embezzling funds from the membership. The whole thing about millionaires, 130 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,239 Speaker 7: I mean, there are a lot of early Tesla pa 131 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 7: who made a lot of money. If there's like actual millionaires, 132 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 7: I have not seen any of them come forward, but 133 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 7: they do exist. I mean if you got in at 134 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 7: a certain time and and and held on to your 135 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 7: options and your RSUs and time to the market, right, 136 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 7: I mean, that's definitely true. I mean that's that's and 137 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 7: there's lore around that within the plant for sure. 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and something that he definitely sells and and articulates 139 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: publicly quite a bit. But let's go back to scan 140 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: Dainavia Craig tell us what exactly do these striking mechanics want? 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: So I mentioned before that this is a case of 142 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: a country where there's no way for TESLA to get 143 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: in the way of these workers unionizing. This is a 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: matter of what that really means, and collective bargaining is 145 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: the key here. You want to be able to, you know, 146 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 4: come together as a group of workers and hammer out 147 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: an agreement with your employer as to you know, what 148 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: sort of working conditions are set, you know, minimum wages, 149 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: hours that are worked, those sorts of things. I think 150 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: you know when you talk about repair workers, there of 151 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: course safety implications there. Working on batteries can be a 152 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: dangerous thing. When you're working on a car, that maybe 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: has been banged up and has a big hunk of 154 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: rare earth and volatile materials within batteries, and so, you know, 155 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: this is a case of workers wanting a collective bargaining 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: agreement and TESLA refusing, and not just lately. This is 157 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: something that goes back to twenty seventeen. This is something 158 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: that the union has been pushing for for years at 159 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: this point, Craig. 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: At some point recently you said to me this struck 161 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: you as a little bit of a case of Elon 162 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: being stubborn in the sense that Elon the disruptor, wants 163 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: to disrupt everything is against unions. And even though the 164 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: fact that this is the way it's been in Sweden 165 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: for many, many years and the vast bulk of workers work, 166 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, under these kind of agreements, he can't get 167 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: himself to to accept it. And it almost feels like 168 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: he's he's creating something of a tempest in a teapot here. 169 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I do think that you know, of course, 170 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 4: some people are going to say that well, if you 171 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: you know, agree to a collective bargaining you know, deal 172 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: with workers in Sweden, well this this sets a precedent, 173 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 4: and you know, sort of slippery slope situation. I don't 174 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: think that that's what actually is at stake here. When 175 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: you know, you talk about a collective collective agreement for 176 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty workers, is that really going to 177 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: make a difference in this really difficult, you know fight 178 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: that unions in the US and Germany are going to 179 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 4: try and wage to organize thousands of workers. I don't 180 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: think it really makes any any difference. 181 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: I just want to ask you this, Craig. This strike 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 2: is spreading to a certain degree, right, other unions sympathetic 183 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: to the cause of these mechanics have also started taking part. 184 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: What does that look like exactly? And what's the impact 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: of that, Craig on Tesla's business. 186 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, just because of the role that unions play in Sweden, 187 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: the protections for them and sort of the ability for 188 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: them to maneuver is really sort of open, and so 189 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: there's an ability, you know, legally for there to be 190 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: sympathy actions across unions. So we're talking about an industrial 191 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 4: workers union that has taken action against Tesla. But as 192 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 4: a result of them taking action and striking Tesla, you've 193 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: seen this, you know, one after another, other unions within 194 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: Sweden and in some neighboring countries that have similar systems 195 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: also you know, sort of taking up the cause. And 196 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: so you have postal workers in Sweden that won't hand 197 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: over license plates to Tesla and are sort of holding 198 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: up the delivery of those, which of course is going 199 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: to complicate Tesla's effort to get new cars registered. You 200 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: have dock workers that are refusing to you know, unload 201 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: Tesla's from ships, and you have you know, Finland and 202 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: Norway and Denmark, these other unions and neighboring countries that 203 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 4: are saying, uh, you know, we're not going to help you, Tesla, 204 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: and getting around the fact that these dock workers in 205 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: Sweden are trying to you know, sympathize with you know, 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: their their compatriots in the Industrial Workers Union. 207 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I even understand right that the garbage pickup isn't 208 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: happening because of one of these unions acting in sympathies 209 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: that things are getting smelly there around these repair shops. Okay, so, Dana, 210 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: that's the scene in Scandinavia and in Germany. Indeed, as 211 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: Craig was saying here in the US, Shawn Fame, the 212 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 2: leader of the UAW, is now targeting Tessel among other automakers, 213 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: as the place he wants to unionize workers. Those unionization 214 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: drives I believe Dana are now underway. What's the status 215 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: at this early stage. 216 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, so the I mean, the UAW is trying to 217 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 7: organize everywhere, and they've had some announcements recently that they've 218 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 7: gotten lots of signatures on union cards at different plants. 219 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 7: But I'm going to pound this over and over again, 220 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 7: like they are gonna they are gonna focus. 221 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: On the South. 222 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 7: They are not going to focus on Freemond. 223 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: When you say the South, right, we are not talking 224 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: about Tesla. 225 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 7: We're talking about like the volksbag plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, 226 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 7: and other auto plants in the South where the UAW 227 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 7: has tried to unionize before and actually had votes before. 228 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 7: Like you guys, it just doesn't make sense to like 229 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 7: go guns blazing at Tesla where they've never even gotten 230 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 7: to a vote. They've got They've laid a lot more 231 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 7: groundwork at these other plants, and so I just get 232 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 7: frustrated personally when it's like like every I get it, 233 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 7: everyone wants a shit. 234 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep asking this question. 235 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 7: Everyone wants the Shawan Fain, Elon Musk cage man. 236 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: But if you are Seawan Fain and you you have 237 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: the views you do, and Shawn Fain is a new 238 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: kind of labor leader in this country, and he's not 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: messing around, and he's kind of got it out for 240 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: the billionaire class. And you look at Elon Musk, the 241 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: richest person in the world. Is he not a juicy 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: target to go after? 243 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 7: He's totally a juicy target. But if you're if you're 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 7: a union strategist and you've just won these historic contracts 245 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 7: in Detroit and you want to keep the momentum going 246 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 7: and grow your membership, then you pick the next easiest target, 247 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 7: which is not Tesla. You pick where you're going to win. 248 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 7: Like that's just like sort of basic organizing one on one. 249 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 7: And I think you've seen from the recent UAW commentary 250 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 7: that like they're focused. They're not focusing on Fremont, They're 251 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 7: focusing on other plants that are largely in the South. 252 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm and I'm absolutely with Dana in the sense 253 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 4: that the UAW has already sort of made big efforts 254 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 4: at other factories, whether Volkswagen or Nissan down down in 255 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: the South in the US and you know, made it 256 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: to a vote with those companies. It's it's tried and failed, 257 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: but at least gotten somewhat close. It hasn't come anywhere 258 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: close with Tesla, but I do think with Tesla, you know, 259 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: just on the last earnings call, these guys were talking 260 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 4: about even taking you know, stickers off of parts uh 261 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 4: and doing that to save you know, literally pennies per vehicle. UH. 262 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: The the sort of you know emphasis that they're putting 263 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 4: on cost cutting as their growth has slowed down dramatically. 264 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: This absolutely poses a threat for them when they're having 265 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: to you know, whether they like it or not, you know, 266 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: pivot to a significant degree from you know, being a 267 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: growth story to sales are slowing down. So you know, 268 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 4: you have this situation of slower growth, falling prices uh, 269 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: and some cost pressures on the part of this union momentum, 270 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: whether it's really small cases in Sweden, a more powerful 271 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: union in Germany, and a UAW that is, you know, 272 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: for all its weaknesses and long history of issues in 273 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: the US, is you know, at least at the for 274 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 4: the moment looking resurgent in Detroit. 275 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Well, was it Craig terrific to have you on. 276 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: Thanks guys like looking forward to listening. 277 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: Okay, we're back and joining me and Dana is Max 278 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: lately Max and Sarah Hello, So Sarah as we talk 279 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: X and Alex Jones and those things, I want to 280 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: ask you because I'm going to be honest. Over the weekend, 281 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: I did my best not to pay that much attention 282 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: to this just a little bit. So for those like me, 283 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: what exactly do we need to know about what's transpired 284 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: in the last forty eight to seventy two hours. 285 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 6: Alex Jones, who owes a lot of money to the 286 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 6: victims of the Sandy Hook shooting because he denied that 287 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 6: it occurred for many years, is restored to X. And 288 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 6: I think what happens occasionally on the platform is Elon 289 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 6: Musk will try to prove that he has created the 290 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,239 Speaker 6: network for free speech. He's done this before. He's outsourced 291 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 6: controversial decisions to users via via polls, and that's what 292 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: he did in this case. So he tweeted out, let's 293 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 6: see the will of the people, should Alex Jones come back? 294 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: Same thing he did for Donald Trump, by the way, 295 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 6: and a good portion of people of solid majority said yes, 296 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 6: And so Alex Jones was restored. Not only that, Elon 297 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 6: Musk did a Spaces which is that live audio with 298 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: Alex Jones and sort of even gave him more of 299 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 6: a platform than just restoring him to X. 300 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, now, Max, I know that you see to 301 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: a certain degree some sort of tie in between that 302 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: between this kind of thing and the stuff we were 303 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: just talking about about unionization efforts at Tesla Factors. 304 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so I listened to this two hours 305 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: and four and Opaces appearance, and you know it's it's 306 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: Elon Musk talking to Alex Jones, the famous Sandy Hook 307 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: denier Harasser of the parents of dead school children and 308 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: so on. Join by Andrew Tait, who is currently under 309 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: indictment for human trafficking, is a men's rights activist, and 310 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: Vek Ramaswami, you know, the third or fourth place Republican 311 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: presidential candidate, all kind of browing down about the awesomeness 312 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: of free speech. And when you listen to this, it's 313 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: just very niche. It's like it's like a thing that 314 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: you would not care about unless you are deep, deep, deep, 315 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: deep deep down the right wing rabbit hole. And that 316 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 3: I think has worked for Musk, But of course it's polarizing. 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: When you say it's worked for him, How has it 318 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: worked for him? 319 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 3: I mean, when you listen to this this appearance, right, 320 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: it's just constant praise. 321 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of guys talking about how amazing it is. 322 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Elon Musk has saved the world. 323 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: He's built himself a a like credible media following in 324 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 3: the same way that Alex Jones is a credible medio following. 325 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: But of course it's also created all of this polarization. 326 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: And when you see these you know, union actions going on, 327 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: you know in Nordic countries, and of course the threat 328 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: of union actions in the United States, having Elon Musk 329 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: out there doing hard right signaling is working against him. 330 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: Makes it more of a target. 331 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, These you know organizing efforts, right are partly about 332 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 3: like person to person contact, but they're also partly about 333 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: political context and cultural context. And he's doing himself no favors, right, 334 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: He's like, most of these union activists are not going 335 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: to be big men's rights you know, Alex Jones fanatics 336 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: to say the least, and we're not even talking about 337 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: the customers. 338 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 6: Well, well, let me also make just one one quick 339 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 6: point about polling, which is that it is not the 340 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 6: will of the people. If you run a poll on 341 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 6: x it doesn't say super scientific. I don't know if 342 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 6: this needs to be said, but in case it does. 343 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 6: You know, Elon Musk, he he is the most followed 344 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: person on the platform. But you know, we've found in 345 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 6: reporting supported by a nonprofit digital rights group, Accountable Tech, 346 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: that with less than one hundred dollars you can buy 347 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 6: tens of thousands of votes for a Twitter poll easily. 348 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: So wow, well that's tempting. 349 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 6: It was, you know, of course, as it always is 350 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 6: with with Musk over a weekend. You know, when that 351 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 6: that fan base is maybe online and most people are not. 352 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 6: And I think that we just need to be careful 353 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 6: about you know, when Musk says I did this because 354 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 6: it was the will of the people. I did this 355 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 6: because this is what people voted for. You know, these 356 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 6: things are not at all democratic. 357 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: Right right. 358 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: I want to say one other thing, which is that 359 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: during this space is the k Ramaswami audibly peeded, like as. 360 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: A way to make a statement or not just accidental 361 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: like in the Naked Gun. 362 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: Okay, it was just an It was just like the 363 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: like it was. 364 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: The Highlight Now Max, there is some chatter out there 365 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: in some circles that Apple, like it briefly banned Parlor 366 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: from the App Store for similarly lax content moderation after 367 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: the Gen sixth insurrection, that there's cheddar that that that 368 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 2: they could perhaps do the same to X now thoughts. 369 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Musk himself has kind of driven that chatter, right. 370 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: He earlier talked about the prospect that Apple would you know, 371 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: would ban him from the App Store. There was this 372 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: kind of summit between Tim Cook and Musk. I think 373 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: that's an extremely unrealistic possibility. It definitely serves the interests 374 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: of the kind of right who like the narrative of 375 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: prosecution by big tech is really important. But the truth 376 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 3: is Alex Jones being on X that he's not. That's 377 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: not the only platform that has allowed Alex Jones. Right now, 378 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: you can go to the app store and download Rumble, 379 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: which is the main platform for you know, Jones and 380 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: Russell brand. The other thing is when when Apple banned 381 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: Parlor in twenty twenty one, the context was very different. 382 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: It was right after January sixth. You had Jones, you know, 383 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: involved into some extent at least in the you know, 384 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: attempted insurrection, but that is not what's going on right now. 385 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 3: The context is very different, and you know, I don't 386 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: think Apple is going to take action anytime soon, and 387 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: really that that conversation is mostly happening kind of in 388 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: right wing corners media. 389 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: You know, none of this seems like a great way 390 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: to lun back advertisers, you know, with Disney and IBM 391 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: and NBC among others pulling their ads, you know, which 392 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: leads us to our final little bonus part of the show, 393 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: where we use the scrappy gang of smaller advertisers that 394 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: have remained on X. Using them, We've created a challenge 395 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: for our vaunted muscologists, using only the ads you see 396 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: there on the platform. You have to select holiday gifts 397 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: for the other panelists, and Sarah Fryar, you are up first. 398 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 6: So my top gift, and you know, caveat that. I 399 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 6: just remember which ads get served to me the most. 400 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 6: And for the last month it has been over and 401 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 6: over and over those heart shaped pans that Paris Hill 402 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 6: is selling. Now unfortunately she has. 403 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: Also I'm sorry they're heart shaped? 404 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 6: What pans for cooking? You know, Paris Hilton, maybe she's 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 6: a great pancakes. 406 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: What do you heart their heart shaped? 407 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: Wow? And you can you can hunt? And and what 408 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 2: what does one fry or cook anything? Anyway? 409 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 6: Well, you just you just have to to, you know, 410 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 6: use the pan and say that's so hot, because it 411 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 6: literally is hot. 412 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 2: I get it. Okay, so get it, Matt, Max gets it. 413 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 6: You know, maybe you're not as available through X anymore, 414 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 6: but I certainly am aware of them because of X. 415 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: Wait, Sarah, you Bury the lead though Paris Hilton is 416 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: no longer working like she's part of the. 417 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: Part of the boycott waiting what what? 418 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 5: What? 419 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: What? Wait? So you can't get this on X? 420 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 6: So is it is this violating the rules? 421 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: Well you already broke the rude. We were thirty seconds 422 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: into the gift section. They just show you. But what's 423 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: the track here? You know you we'll go with this 424 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: era just because we all like you. Who are you 425 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: going to give this pan to? 426 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 6: I mean, it was going to be a housewarming gift 427 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 6: for Max. 428 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: Thank you, very thoughtful. 429 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: Next moving it to a new apartment. 430 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Can I have a gift for you, David? 431 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: Okay? Max? Hit me with it? 432 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: Okay, So I know you're you know you're big horse 433 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 3: racing guy, you're into the ponies. 434 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: And uh, you know one of my favorite ads. 435 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: You know, you see a lot of ads for products 436 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: that seem of questionable value, a lot of junkie kind 437 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: of I see it on TV type stuff. 438 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: But there are also a lot of T shirts. 439 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: And and one of my faves that I've seen advertise 440 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: on Twitter is a T shirt that says sorry, period 441 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: can't period. Horses period by period. And I think I 442 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: think it would look well, I think, really it's a 443 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: woman's shirt, but it looks to me. Check checking it out, 444 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: and you know, for thirty seven dollars, it looks like 445 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: you can get you know, unisex sizes, so I think 446 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: it's a possibility. 447 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's very that's very nice of you. I would 448 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: gladly receive the horses T shirt. That's brilliant, Dana Hall, 449 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: what do you have for our fellow panelists? 450 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 7: So my algorithm is very strange. I just get a 451 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 7: lot of very strange ads. My favorite is this ad 452 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 7: for a company called Plushy Dreadfuls and it's like stuffed animals. 453 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: That's a favorite of all. 454 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 7: I got one A great cuddle buddy when you're off 455 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 7: with the fairies, and it's a it's a it's like 456 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 7: a stuffed animal that looks like a like a psychedelic mushroom. 457 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: And I don't know. 458 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 7: I mean, this could be a gift for Elon Musk 459 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 7: himself and his friends. 460 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: It could be this is what you hold while you're 461 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: on mushrooms, ron Kennedy. 462 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 7: Maybe maybe it's like an emotional support stuffy. It's kind 463 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 7: of a disturbing looking stuffed animal that. 464 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we barely scratched the service of the like 465 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: super questionable advertisements that are like on Twitter, what's wrong. 466 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 7: X? 467 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Well? 468 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 6: My favorite was there was this there's this one that 469 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 6: was a drain cleaner filam that I got served many times, 470 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 6: and it actually had a community note on it saying 471 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 6: that it doesn't actually clean drains. Community notes being the 472 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 6: crowdsourced platform fact checker. 473 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of how bad it gets. 474 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: Four or four Media, which is like a tech website, 475 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: ran a story yesterday headline Twitter is just running ads 476 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 3: for stealing semen now. And you look at that headline 477 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 3: and you think that could not be true, That could 478 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: not reflect an actual. 479 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: What you're saying. 480 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 3: It is it is there is a company out there 481 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: that specializes in non consensual sperm collection kits for artificial insemination. 482 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: They are advertising on Twitter. 483 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: I looks on X excuse me, and it's something like 484 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty nine dollars for the kit. I 485 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: tried to keep track of the costs here because I think. 486 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: Feel like, no, I see it for a gift guide. 487 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: You want to know, like how much. 488 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: You do want to know? And I will to wrap 489 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 2: it up the gifts, the gift section of this of 490 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: this show. I've got gifts for all of you. I'm 491 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: a big spender like that because at four ninety nine each, 492 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: I mean, whatever, easy come, easy, go for Max. I 493 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: got the fly and I read I'm just reading the 494 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: ad textually here I'm so I flying ball boomerang with 495 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: lead lights, fly spinning ball throwaway and it comes back 496 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: to you. I could just see you and the kids out. 497 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: I have actually got it last year. 498 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So now you got another one coming for Sarah 499 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: and the January baby you're waiting for. I've got the 500 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: Getnay's shark socks. Now, Sarah, these socks, I mean, you're 501 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: in San Francisco, Shark great right, Shark Capital the United 502 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: States of America, I'm a little shark obsessed myself. There 503 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: are socks that actually look like the shark is eating 504 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: the baby's legs. So you know, these are these are 505 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: pretty good. And then for Dana, I know you don't 506 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: have a car. I figure at some point you'll get 507 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 2: a car. Maybe you're a husband a car. 508 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 7: I do have a car, it's just an old subru. 509 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe you could use it for the superw I'm 510 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: getting you State Farm auto insurance. There's the thing. They 511 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: just wore me down. They just kept coming with you, 512 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: and they kept coming into the ad, you know, with 513 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: the ad in Spanish, and if there's I am, if nothing, 514 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: a sucker for auto insurance ads in Spanish. 515 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 7: What I love the most about x ads is that 516 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 7: if you you keep deleting them, like I don't like 517 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 7: this ad, and then they say, we'll try to make 518 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 7: your timeline better, and then the ads just get worse 519 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 7: and worse and worse. 520 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: But Dana, what's wrong with the gifts I just got you? Guys? 521 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: I mean these are like the fly you don't like 522 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: the flying ball boomerang. For Max, it's a great gift. 523 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: He's actually what he has. 524 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I should say you know the Cheech and 525 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 3: Chong goings we have not talked about, but that they 526 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: are been. They've been one of the big advertise of 527 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: the year. But I haven't seen their ads for a while, 528 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: and I sent a request for comment to Cheach and 529 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: Chong to ask if they're still advertising. They have not 530 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: responded to my request for comment. 531 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll get back. 532 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: When when there's an update. When there's a comment from 533 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Cheech or Chong, you will let us know. Okay, enough 534 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: of the silly holiday year. Let's call it quits. Thanks 535 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: for listening to Elon Inc. And thanks to our panel Dana, 536 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: Max and Sarah. 537 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, great to be here. 538 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 6: Thank you as always. 539 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Stacey Wong, Naomi Shaven and 540 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: Rayhan Harmansi are senior editors. 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