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Speaker 1: ahead of President Trump's Tulsa rally, and we check in

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Speaker 1: more al Tulsa. Everyone's talking about Tulsa. This as the

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Speaker 1: Biden campaign seeks to create a contrast with President Trump

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Speaker 1: He's gonna end the week for us. We made. It's

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Speaker 1: a Friday, folks, Happy Friday and happy Juneteenth Day, and

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Speaker 1: let's begin with that. Some reporting from the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: people gathered across Washington on Friday to celebrate the death

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Speaker 1: Maybe that makes it easier, maybe that makes it harder.

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Speaker 1: five point seven f m h D two Friday Friday. Finally,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin CURIALI, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and

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Speaker 1: is Adam Goodman. He is a Republican media strategist, a columnist,

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Speaker 1: and a partner at Ballard Partners in Washington, d C. Adam,

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Speaker 1: I read your piece on Fox News dot Com headlined

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Speaker 1: Violence never brings permanent peace, King Warren, whereas the time

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Speaker 1: that's a possibility, Kevin. Here's the way I look at it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So the idea that okay, well that doesn't work, Republicans

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Speaker 1: When Joe Biden comes into play and it's actually a

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