Speaker 1: Yeah, Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: It's ten forty nine pm in Tanama City Beach, Florida,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: Night Call, a call in show about our sci fi
Speaker 1: reality for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Tess Lynch.
Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles and with me are Emily Oshida
Speaker 1: and Lambert. This month's theme is spring Break, and tonight
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about the movie spring Breakers, as well
Speaker 1: as taking calls from listeners with our special guest, Samara Bank.
Speaker 1: Samara is a speech coach who's worked on campaign trail
Speaker 1: stump speeches, awards shows, and you and addresses, and as
Speaker 1: a dialect coach on TV and film sets. Her new
Speaker 1: show on I Heart Radio, Permission to Speak, welcomes guests
Speaker 1: ranging from actors to activists, exploring the question of what
Speaker 1: defines a powerful voice and what that means today. Hi, Samarah, Hello,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Nichol. What if that's how I sounded? Hello,
Speaker 1: this is fire, this is I'm not dr. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you're in the podcast industry now you have
Speaker 1: to do a radio voice. I've actually been like very
Speaker 1: very curious about that. Yeah, because I'm trying to not
Speaker 1: just fall into some sort of like hackey thing that
Speaker 1: we all grew up with. It comes very naturally to
Speaker 1: some people. I'm always impressed and I go on to
Speaker 1: somebody else's podcast and they have their podcast voice down,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want one of those. I would I
Speaker 1: would almost argue the opposite that, like, the whole point
Speaker 1: is that we should sound the same as we do.
Speaker 1: All right, we're just hanging out with our friends. My
Speaker 1: dad was a DJ, and people would always be like,
Speaker 1: do your DJ voice, and you'd be like, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: That's the dream. Yeah, I like a conversational podcast, as
Speaker 1: you can tell. I used to get so many complaints
Speaker 1: and I used to be a DJ at Kicks Tell
Speaker 1: You because I would just sound like so checked out,
Speaker 1: Like I would just sound because it was two in
Speaker 1: the morning. These kicks now you have to be like,
Speaker 1: UM just played some um filling the blank of a ball.
Speaker 1: My favorite is the is the teenage boy with the
Speaker 1: voice cracking on Kicks Tell You where It's it's like
Speaker 1: a little like late so actually just sent us a
Speaker 1: little message about show that is on Kicks Sell You
Speaker 1: that is about mushrooms and music. Oh awesome. There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of long running like psychedelia type shows on
Speaker 1: there that I've been around since I was on It's
Speaker 1: for those who don't know. Kicks Tell You is basically
Speaker 1: the college radio station of Los Angeles because the other
Speaker 1: college radio stations are like MPR stations, um, but Kicks
Speaker 1: Tell You is the true like spirit of college RD
Speaker 1: that we have here in Los Angeles and at Nightcall.
Speaker 1: Have you ever listened? No, I've never heard of it
Speaker 1: until this one. I was glad for your never heard
Speaker 1: until like a year and a half ago, and everyone
Speaker 1: was like, yes, of course, cakes all you and I
Speaker 1: was like, right, I've only lived here for most of
Speaker 1: my life and had no idea this exists all the
Speaker 1: way on the left. The spirit, the spirit of college
Speaker 1: radio kicks here on Nightcall, the spirit of spring break
Speaker 1: is alive for March. Uh. We're not getting brought down
Speaker 1: by no coronavirus. We're gonna talking about the coronavirus as
Speaker 1: it is an appropriately post apocalyptic nightcall type topic. But
Speaker 1: Emily is wearing like a very nice tropical shirt today.
Speaker 1: Test is wearing like some some cheetahs. The cheetahs. I
Speaker 1: got some I got some cut offs. Yeah, you go. Shirt.
Speaker 1: It feels like spring. I have a tank top. Well,
Speaker 1: it feels like spring outside. Right now I have like
Speaker 1: a new burst of energy because it actually feels a
Speaker 1: little summary. I'm worried about the weather. I don't like
Speaker 1: this weather. It's too hot. It went from being cold
Speaker 1: too hot. It's like eighties six right now it's too hot,
Speaker 1: too soon. Apocalyptic. Yeah, it's like someone just turned a Swiss.
Speaker 1: That's how it is in Los Angeles. But it's like
Speaker 1: disease germinating story. I think Richard rush Field said something
Speaker 1: point pandemic weathers, pandemic season in Los Angeles. Well, before
Speaker 1: we get into pandemics, let's take a quick nightcall. Last
Speaker 1: week we covered um wellness and this kind of bridges.
Speaker 1: This was a nightcall coming from Linda. Hey, I am
Speaker 1: halfway through your latest podcast where y'all are discussing the
Speaker 1: film Cocoon in relation to wellness. I immediately thought you
Speaker 1: were going to introduce the comedy drama The Road to Wellville.
Speaker 1: It's all about creepy wellness slash scams and has an
Speaker 1: all star nineties cast. We should do that movie for
Speaker 1: the Movie Club because I've never seen any there, none
Speaker 1: of us have. So it doesn't get very good reviews.
Speaker 1: It's loosely based I think on John Harvey Kellogg, the
Speaker 1: Kellogg serial guy, isn't the night called Protocol? Doesn't get
Speaker 1: very good reviews, but sounds very strange. Well, later we're
Speaker 1: talking about spring Breakers, which I forgot didn't get great reviews.
Speaker 1: Is that true? I think, well, it got like a
Speaker 1: fifty six percent. I think just make didn't it make
Speaker 1: a lot of money? It made a ton of money.
Speaker 1: I think we can talk about this later, but I
Speaker 1: think it really did Mark Attorney and point both in
Speaker 1: terms of film and film criticism. Yeah, criticism was intense.
Speaker 1: People didn't know it. Yeah, yeah, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of think yeah. Um. But with John Harvey Kellogg, like
Speaker 1: he is kind of this example. I think of somebody
Speaker 1: who got rich off of something, in this case cereal,
Speaker 1: and then went down a path of one pre date
Speaker 1: the other. He had a really just very strange, like
Speaker 1: childhoo an upbringing. He came from a very religious family.
Speaker 1: I believe they were preppers um. And at some point
Speaker 1: he he was a doctor. He ran a sanitary him
Speaker 1: like he did a lot of good stuff in his life. Um,
Speaker 1: he was an early adopter of the clean living movement.
Speaker 1: No smoking, no drinking, just crea which, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can prep really well. Oh that's the thing is
Speaker 1: it's like you, it's a shelf stable thing unless you
Speaker 1: get cereal moss very serious cereal moss um. But he
Speaker 1: was on the colony. Yeah, he was very he was
Speaker 1: like your gut flora. He was one of the first
Speaker 1: people who knew about Governor was an anti masturbation act. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. So besides like inventing peanut butter, he
Speaker 1: was also like if you masturbate, you're like you're just
Speaker 1: destroying or related to the Graham crackers, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: It's all of the cereal products along with Graham crackers.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to be anti masturbation tools and also yeah tools,
Speaker 1: they're so delicious. Never want to drop off again if
Speaker 1: you're Yeah, I think it's all part of just eating
Speaker 1: like a plain cardboardy diet was supposed to suppress. It's
Speaker 1: very pitic. Yeah, like if we just eat like wheat paste,
Speaker 1: like the opposite of an oyster. How is this graham crime?
Speaker 1: What is the blandest food yeah, the most like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a depressionaire, although this is pre depressionaire. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like healthy. Try it also to be like Bland food is,
Speaker 1: but it's sugary. That's not healthy. Corn flakes, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: frosted flakes. But Graham crackers are sugary. Graham crackers are
Speaker 1: delicious recipe. That's true. It could have been like the
Speaker 1: bad Graham Bland. It happens in the movie. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I have a conspiracy theory. Yeah, is that
Speaker 1: why they give s'mores to Scouts? Oh that's very extra man.
Speaker 1: But then there's goo. Yeah, the chocolate completely. Grands can
Speaker 1: pass over. You make a sandwich with the crackers and
Speaker 1: like the bitter thing and the sweet thing. But it's
Speaker 1: all to be like here's what you have to repress
Speaker 1: your feeling. Right about this, I really really appreciate that analogy.
Speaker 1: I see you with us. You keep it all in
Speaker 1: with the Bland crackers on the outside of the land, like,
Speaker 1: don't enjoy life too much. I would love to put
Speaker 1: together a program of wellness themed movies. It seems like
Speaker 1: there are more of them than we previously. We just
Speaker 1: hit on. Yeah, I think wellness and doomsday cult is
Speaker 1: the ven diagram of nightcall, so it seems like that
Speaker 1: would fit right in tomorrow. What are your thoughts on wellness? Um?
Speaker 1: I feel like it can be exploited way too easily,
Speaker 1: um and turned into something to just make people feel
Speaker 1: like they're doing another thing wrong. Yeah, guilt mechanism. And
Speaker 1: on the other hand, if by wellness we don't mean
Speaker 1: the corrupted form, then I think we can see it
Speaker 1: as a call to arms. I'm like literally thinking about
Speaker 1: Audre Lord right now. It can be a call to
Speaker 1: arms about the kind of self care that actually is
Speaker 1: like being in touch with your body and remembering that
Speaker 1: your body is where all your best decisions get made.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think it's a complicated, Uh, it is.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It was interesting to talk to January. She
Speaker 1: she had a lot of opinions about Goop and Gwyneth
Speaker 1: Paltrow that I feel like, I now, I'm like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't, I don't. I think I
Speaker 1: have to take back every nice thing I ever said
Speaker 1: about about Goop. She made a strong case, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought that was fascinating because she did sort of
Speaker 1: be like she can do all that other stuff just
Speaker 1: don't sell, just don't sell. But I saw the skill.
Speaker 1: I did see something also on the go Instagram that
Speaker 1: was like a makeup free dinner, which is, I believe
Speaker 1: a concept I first saw in the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But I was like, that's only those things time. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what is this accomplished? Like you're going to
Speaker 1: feel better about how you look without makeup because you're
Speaker 1: like around other people. It's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it feels it seems like the whole thing could be
Speaker 1: so easily destroyed if just one person cheated a I
Speaker 1: need it. That's what happened. MAP believe that's what happened
Speaker 1: on Real Housewives of Atlanta. They were like, you're wearing concealer.
Speaker 1: Like I can tell um some of these people were
Speaker 1: probably wearing a concealer. But yeah, I was just like,
Speaker 1: what does this even mean? Like how does this relate
Speaker 1: in any way to like wellness or feminism. It's just
Speaker 1: like it made me sad. I was like, You've gone
Speaker 1: your whole life feeling uncomfortable without makeup. Like Gras Paltrow
Speaker 1: take an improv class. That's what she said, apparently on
Speaker 1: her own podcast, that she felt bad she hadn't done
Speaker 1: now that she was retired Danddario was posting this, he
Speaker 1: was like, it's really sad. She's like talking to Julia
Speaker 1: Louis Dreyfust and she's like, I really regret never taking
Speaker 1: an improv class and now I'm retired late for me
Speaker 1: take the improv class any selling the eggs where she
Speaker 1: would not be able to fit into an improv class
Speaker 1: eight one, but you maybe she made some intensive accent
Speaker 1: training for that. That's right, that's right. I can tell
Speaker 1: that that was what I was thinking for what she
Speaker 1: would love that actually, because she seems like such a
Speaker 1: type a person to where it's like she wants to
Speaker 1: be like rewarded for being good at things. She was
Speaker 1: like very famous for being a fake British person for
Speaker 1: a while. Okay, she can sing, she should train with
Speaker 1: you for My Fair Lady on Broadway? Her face? Which
Speaker 1: sum Do you have any recollection or opinions about Gwyneth
Speaker 1: Paltrow's famous British accent? Are you talking about um? Shakespeare
Speaker 1: in Love? Yeah, Shakespeare Love Emma? There was okay, like
Speaker 1: really I have a really annoying um answer to that,
Speaker 1: which is no, um. And secondarily that there's sort of
Speaker 1: like a thing among dialect coaches that you don't talk
Speaker 1: about other dialect coaches work, and I'm sure she has
Speaker 1: worked with other dialect This is like a whole world
Speaker 1: because here's the here's the reasoning is. Just like you
Speaker 1: know there's a gag order, because there's no gag order.
Speaker 1: The reasoning is. And I know this from being on
Speaker 1: sets myself. No one knows except the creatives involved, me,
Speaker 1: the act or the creative team whatever, what story we're
Speaker 1: actually trying to tell with the accent. So it isn't
Speaker 1: just like there's a good accent and there's a bad accent.
Speaker 1: It's like, who is this human being and what is she?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this sounds very generous, but it is true.
Speaker 1: Who is this human being? And what has she been through?
Speaker 1: And how much of an accent does she have? You know,
Speaker 1: all of us sound different from every been What about
Speaker 1: accent coaches that are dead? Can you talk talk? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the worst accent? You want? That? Like
Speaker 1: mean dish? I'm just say I just rewatched Mary Poppins
Speaker 1: this weekend with my kid, and it wasn't as bad
Speaker 1: as everybody think the original or the new one. The
Speaker 1: original I have not yet. I have not yet dipped
Speaker 1: my tone into I would be interested to see what
Speaker 1: you Manel is very much not dead. Whereas I was
Speaker 1: also said that his bad Cockney accent was like in
Speaker 1: the spirit of Dick van Dyke bad Cockney. I would
Speaker 1: not I would give him all the all the credits
Speaker 1: saying that Dick van Dyke's a Cockney accent and in
Speaker 1: Mary Poppins is so like it's something I never remember
Speaker 1: not being exposed to. So for me, it's never been
Speaker 1: bad because it's just like, it's what he it's what
Speaker 1: that character said. We didn't have much of like a
Speaker 1: real Cockney accent to compare it again, and to be
Speaker 1: fair additionally, I mean my my agent, who is the
Speaker 1: one who sort of represents all the dialect coaches who
Speaker 1: do this stuff. She always started doing this in the eighties,
Speaker 1: Like there weren't dialect coaches before that. Really, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing like if you think back to the early
Speaker 1: eighties to whatever prior to that, there's like people who
Speaker 1: were German sounded British because British equaled elsewhere. That is true.
Speaker 1: I have been watching a lot of Hitchcock movies, and
Speaker 1: there's definitely just like European all over the place, mixed
Speaker 1: in with American like Atlantic accent, rich people voice, and
Speaker 1: it's very very hard to tell who's from where. Um,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, the rich people voice. I read things
Speaker 1: about how he trained himself to do that voice because
Speaker 1: he was actually working class. It's elocution. Elocution which is
Speaker 1: also like the old timey term that because they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have at the time used what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: which is white supremacy. It is fully that that accent
Speaker 1: of like this is what educated sounds like. It was
Speaker 1: taught to people. No one was born with that accent.
Speaker 1: Catherine Hepburn didn't come out saying, y'are We'll take a
Speaker 1: break and be back with smart Welcome back to nightcall.
Speaker 1: You're just talking about accent, coach, how would you the
Speaker 1: technical thing was dialectic dialect, coach, Smart b You're sitting
Speaker 1: here and tomorrow and I have the sniffles, and it
Speaker 1: is I have to say, the worst point in time
Speaker 1: of my life to have been inflicted with sniffles, because
Speaker 1: we are in the middle of a coronavirus outbreak. I
Speaker 1: feel like I remember the exact day that, like, earlier
Speaker 1: in the day you were like, oh, I think I
Speaker 1: have allergies, and by that even you're like, nope, I
Speaker 1: have a cold. And it was like the same day
Speaker 1: that's suddenly all of the news about coronavirus was just
Speaker 1: red flag all are you seeing? I'm patient zero. Yeah
Speaker 1: you are, Gwyneth Paltrow. But I feel like you and
Speaker 1: I like an opposite ends of the extreme because it
Speaker 1: did not occur to me at all coronavirus and you're like,
Speaker 1: just like, it's not I keep telling I've mentioned today
Speaker 1: to six people, seven people. I'm like, hello, I don't
Speaker 1: have coronavirus. I merely have a cold. But it's like
Speaker 1: I'm not a sure symptoms are not on paranoid high
Speaker 1: and it is such a weird mood. Especially it's just
Speaker 1: like a very nice day out. Um. But I did
Speaker 1: see like somebody cough and everybody everyone freaked out turned away,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, like this is bad.
Speaker 1: We were on this is actually like wait. But when
Speaker 1: I was in New York a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and there was this girl who I think had just
Speaker 1: been drinking water and it went down the wrong pipe
Speaker 1: and she started coughing and hacking, like you know, she
Speaker 1: couldn't stop coughing. It was just one of those things
Speaker 1: where you just like really went down the wrong pipe.
Speaker 1: But everybody was looking around and looking at her. She
Speaker 1: was like, guys, guys, I don't have the coronavirus. I
Speaker 1: felt so bad for her. It was very Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that it's it's, you know, conveniently a great time for
Speaker 1: us to be in spring break month here. Did you
Speaker 1: see um? Did you guys see the akira meme going
Speaker 1: around today? Well, I forget how many days it is
Speaker 1: before the Olympics in Tokyo that might get canceled because
Speaker 1: of the coronavirus um. And there's like a thing in
Speaker 1: a cira whether like a hundred and forty nine days
Speaker 1: before the Olympics um, and somebody has like tagged the
Speaker 1: sign with like just canceled them good, So it was
Speaker 1: going viral. Just canceled them because everybody was like, it's
Speaker 1: that many days now before the Tokyo Olympics. Just canceled them,
Speaker 1: like it's not worth it. Yeah, it is a weird
Speaker 1: on the nose, it's very weird. I think the thing
Speaker 1: that I keep kind of calming down about it, and
Speaker 1: then there will be another wave of things that kind
Speaker 1: of illustrate how it would just be so disruptive. The
Speaker 1: media is doing a terrible job because they're both like
Speaker 1: the government is probably misreporting it to try and like
Speaker 1: not scare people, because that's what they already did in China.
Speaker 1: That's what they were doing in China, and that's probably
Speaker 1: what a lot of the governments are going to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like one of the things that's
Speaker 1: kind of terrifying you Molly mentioned, so they've they've called
Speaker 1: off school for a month in both China and Japan.
Speaker 1: I believe in Germany. I but I've certainly heard Germany
Speaker 1: for school closes, so that that was interesting. We've I've
Speaker 1: gotten communications from both of my kids schools they're in
Speaker 1: preschool and elementary school about like the measures that they're
Speaker 1: taking to try and keep everyone healthy. Their gymnastics class
Speaker 1: was like, just please keep your kids home if they're sick.
Speaker 1: So it's like, even when you can kind of tune
Speaker 1: out the panic, it like just arrives in your inbox,
Speaker 1: Like I feel bad that Steven Soderberg always goes viral
Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons, you know, like it is
Speaker 1: like a lot of Americans only reference point for something
Speaker 1: like this is the movie Contagion, for sure, and that's
Speaker 1: people's only reference point for anything is a movie. When
Speaker 1: nine eleven happened, I was like, this is just like
Speaker 1: the movie Independence Day. That was like, yes, she's good
Speaker 1: in Contagion. She's been doing jokes about it, which again
Speaker 1: is like she's so bad at being self aware of funny.
Speaker 1: She's the improv class. I don't know, I have been
Speaker 1: like kind of interested by some of the sub stories
Speaker 1: around I think I think still for us here, it's
Speaker 1: like it's still pretty abstract. We can only see numbers,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's going to be some threshold
Speaker 1: of number of like you know, reported cases where we're
Speaker 1: going to be like, oh, ship, it is probably going
Speaker 1: to be like actually realistically well below what the number
Speaker 1: actually is because of people reporting it. But like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, did you guys see this thing about because
Speaker 1: everybody's still on quarantine in in or just lockdown and
Speaker 1: general in um China, but like in Wuhan they're doing
Speaker 1: all these um like live streamed underground like punk shows
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, and then like all these people are
Speaker 1: just like doing shows in their living rooms because they
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere and because nobody else can go anywhere.
Speaker 1: And it's actually like kind of it's like again, this
Speaker 1: is very like dystopian circumstance. Dystopian. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like the human spirit years. It's like super will find
Speaker 1: a way. Yeah, totally. I like that because that feels
Speaker 1: like a weird countermeasure to these Netflix shows now that
Speaker 1: are like people between a wall and like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's just it's just like I think that there
Speaker 1: is obviously, maybe reasonably, a desire to not report accurate
Speaker 1: numbers are not send people into a panic, but also
Speaker 1: like the country where they're already not allowed to go out,
Speaker 1: people are coping, and people are finding a way to
Speaker 1: like still you know, yeah, that's to communicate with each
Speaker 1: other and not have a complete shutdown society, and Americ
Speaker 1: comedian narrative has been so racist about oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: insane there. I mean, I just heard from people here
Speaker 1: in l A that like people weren't going to certain
Speaker 1: Chinese restaurants and like freaking Silver Lake. How about the
Speaker 1: people not drinking Corona beer, which is like the strangest
Speaker 1: thing that story was planted by a pr flak where
Speaker 1: it was like a real like you know, show your
Speaker 1: metal drink a corrona. It was. I would totally believe
Speaker 1: it was fake because it made me. I was I
Speaker 1: panicked again, Like when people are so dumb and they're
Speaker 1: not even drinking beer, what's going on? Funny how people
Speaker 1: do get to like absurdism really fast, which feels like
Speaker 1: sort of just the state of everything all the time.
Speaker 1: Now it's like everything so insane, like it couldn't just
Speaker 1: like the events of Akira, like actually taking place in
Speaker 1: real time, like a few months after the Blade Runner
Speaker 1: sort of felt like we had caught up to Blue,
Speaker 1: like the Carson Plan exploded the other day and went virals.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it's play Runner anyway. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just feels like what are you gonna do but laugh
Speaker 1: about it? I mean, there's not much. Have any of
Speaker 1: you guys read the book Station eleven? I haven't. My
Speaker 1: husband read it, but yeah, okay, well and then if
Speaker 1: we're not worth we don't need to bring it up.
Speaker 1: I've heard it, but maybe don't read it right now
Speaker 1: is what I've heard as a TV version. But um,
Speaker 1: but Station eleven is one of the few novels have
Speaker 1: actually made time for in the last few years. But
Speaker 1: here's what I want to say. It takes place in
Speaker 1: all different times, but one of the sort of like
Speaker 1: primary time it keeps going to is like twenty years,
Speaker 1: I want to say, after a massive pandemic wipes out
Speaker 1: like ninety something percent. But it actually left me kind
Speaker 1: of hopeful because I'm the only thinking about people who
Speaker 1: made it, and I'm like, I'm gonna make it or not.
Speaker 1: But so every time I think about these pandemics, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, those people will still be like doing their
Speaker 1: cool stuff twenty years. That's the problem that is that
Speaker 1: all of our reference onints for this and movies are
Speaker 1: like cozy catastrophe movies, where like a group of survivors
Speaker 1: banded together and like fight against whatever the thing is.
Speaker 1: If it's like zombies or a disease or like a
Speaker 1: you know, earthquake that kills everybody, but there's always someone
Speaker 1: who survives. This might be like maybe just like what
Speaker 1: if no one survives, No, but it's it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be ninety percent. Everyone's okay, so it's just two percent,
Speaker 1: which just amounts to like what a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: really violent. Yeah, it's a really terrible, but it's going
Speaker 1: to kill off like a substantial number of people that
Speaker 1: don't have good health care or I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, this is just more immediate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this could like the worst case scenarios. It's
Speaker 1: like when you talk about people banding together and like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I immediately think of the stand to fight that's
Speaker 1: split into two teams. That's people's point of view reference
Speaker 1: point is the stand Um. I have to say that
Speaker 1: of all the like kind of sub stories of coronavirus,
Speaker 1: the one that I really just really I can't think
Speaker 1: about too hard because it feels like a nightmare is
Speaker 1: the Japanese cruise ship like that. And we still don't
Speaker 1: really know. I guess, like we also just talked about
Speaker 1: the love but yeah, for people who were this might
Speaker 1: have gotten buried by next week, do you have like,
Speaker 1: like briefly, can you explain it? Because I just saw
Speaker 1: snippets but I didn't piece it together. Yeah, so apparently
Speaker 1: I need to double check on this. But I was
Speaker 1: I think I had heard from somebody that it was
Speaker 1: this Holland America cruise ship that I had been on before. Um,
Speaker 1: as we have established on this podcause I have been
Speaker 1: on a cruise Well, all cruise ships they know that
Speaker 1: they're huge disease vector ships are haunted. Well yes that too,
Speaker 1: but like also all cruise ships, it's kind of insane
Speaker 1: when you get on. It takes some of the romanticism
Speaker 1: out of it because you have cure all stations, like
Speaker 1: every single thorway, because even without a pandemic going on,
Speaker 1: they know that like if things are not spit spot
Speaker 1: ship shape, one might say, um, it's really going back
Speaker 1: that it's really easy for it to be, you know,
Speaker 1: for a disease is to break out. I think it's
Speaker 1: also like people don't ever think about this stuff unless
Speaker 1: it's bad, and so when it is bad and you
Speaker 1: think about incubation chambers, as every crowd is a potential
Speaker 1: incubation chamber, and especially a cruise ship. Um. I think,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the big disasters recently, what's scary
Speaker 1: about this is like it's not the disaster itself necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's that the human failure in the response is terrifying.
Speaker 1: They fucked up with the cruise ship. That was the
Speaker 1: whole thing and then there was a thing yesterday about
Speaker 1: how Trump sent people in like without the proper protective gear,
Speaker 1: just like Katrina or anything. It's like the thing but
Speaker 1: over and scaled up. Yeah, it's just like there is
Speaker 1: no infrastructure for something like this. And even in America especially,
Speaker 1: and even in places like China and Japan where there
Speaker 1: is better and more infrastructure, like, they can't handle it
Speaker 1: necessarily either. The tiny little bugs will take us down.
Speaker 1: So I just did my second round of fact checking,
Speaker 1: and I was on a cruise ship that has been corny.
Speaker 1: It's not the Japanese when it's the one that's in Cambodia.
Speaker 1: So they're quarantining multiple cruise There are multiple cruise and
Speaker 1: a jungle cruise boat forever and never. I just started
Speaker 1: a story about a jungle cruise boat in Disney World
Speaker 1: that sprang a leak, oh dear, and that water supposedly
Speaker 1: has leeches in it. Before we let tomorrow, I go,
Speaker 1: let's take one last night email. Okay, So this night
Speaker 1: email comes to us from John, and John writes, last
Speaker 1: follow When my cat was around two years old, she
Speaker 1: started having seizures. We controlled for different causes we thought
Speaker 1: might be the reason for them not letting her downstairs
Speaker 1: in the evenings, thinking maybe it was the headlights of
Speaker 1: passing cars and so on. After her fifth or sixth
Speaker 1: seizure that we witnessed, my parents decided to take her
Speaker 1: to the vet. They packed her up and the vet
Speaker 1: did all the possible tests they could to identify a
Speaker 1: cause for the seizures. They all came back normal, and
Speaker 1: the last resort was just to give her cats an
Speaker 1: X so she'd be too lupy to have any My
Speaker 1: parents said thanks and left the vet, and just like
Speaker 1: any other PhD having couple, they decided to take the
Speaker 1: cat to a witch doctor because she was already in
Speaker 1: her carriage and doesn't like to leave the house. They
Speaker 1: found someone outside the city and said that the cat
Speaker 1: had caught some evil eye. Nasar said it was either
Speaker 1: directed at the cat or more likely at the household,
Speaker 1: and it was then absorbed by the cat. My parents
Speaker 1: live in Turkey, so this kind of thing is not
Speaker 1: unheard of. The person that then gave the cat a
Speaker 1: little necklace with a small soil her coin and an
Speaker 1: amber beat on it for protection. I was so ready
Speaker 1: to roast my parents for their decisions. Soon as the
Speaker 1: next inevitable seizure hit. However, it's been over six months
Speaker 1: now and she has yet to have another one. Here's
Speaker 1: and then he sent a couple of pictures of his cat,
Speaker 1: who's all better enjoying her juju necklace wibbling. It is
Speaker 1: a very cute cat as a calico looks like my
Speaker 1: mom's calicos um. I guess I think that's a calico, right,
Speaker 1: let me see. No, that's a coronavirus art. That's cute.
Speaker 1: That's a calico. Calicos are only ladies, right, Calico corona.
Speaker 1: I think calicos are only female cats, but I might
Speaker 1: be making that up. And here she is. She has
Speaker 1: her little necklace on. Oh, she's a hext um. I
Speaker 1: has anybody tried any alternative approaches to pet care? I'm
Speaker 1: very interested in using CBD. We have a vet friend
Speaker 1: who we know through a mom group, and she is
Speaker 1: a arey wise. She's like a veterinarian and offers advice
Speaker 1: like sometimes if people have questions about pets, and so
Speaker 1: she's been interesting to talk to you about CBD for
Speaker 1: pets because it's largely untested and you don't know the
Speaker 1: source of the CBD or how period is or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I I love CBD, which is very cliche. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have a I have a CBD sponsors
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Speaker 1: but also um, I got to work in the Souden House,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Yeah, that's house. It's on Franklins
Speaker 1: the Frank Lloyd right Son's house, so it like has
Speaker 1: a franklod Right quality, but also like has kind of
Speaker 1: I want to be quality. But famously in the fifties
Speaker 1: there were some murders, some some unsolved murders there and
Speaker 1: there's like a lower chamber, etcetera. I did a I
Speaker 1: did a TV show. I diale coached a TV show
Speaker 1: that was about that and about the Black Dollar murder.
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Speaker 1: that actually I said it was dog food. I heard
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Speaker 1: as long as you're not making who works out was like,
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Speaker 1: my cats that's really uh neurotic. Molly is a very
Speaker 1: neurotic cat. It's been discussed on the pod before. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you try to um a an anti hex necklace,
Speaker 1: no I have, it's very cute. But today I gave one.
Speaker 1: I thought about trying to get one of them on
Speaker 1: a leash, and I got it a harness that is
Speaker 1: like a little orange safety vest. Wasn't immediately like, no,
Speaker 1: take this off. I did it once to my cat
Speaker 1: and he's he like let out a scream, So I
Speaker 1: was like, I guess not, that's not for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he tolerated. It really is good. Yeah, cats will
Speaker 1: tolerate a hat. I feel like we need Jane Mary's
Speaker 1: blessing to promote CBD for animals. But I'm I think
Speaker 1: that CBD a lot of it's not real, but when
Speaker 1: it is real, I think it does work. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nice to toss a little THHC in the mix.
Speaker 1: I guess you can't really do that to a pet,
Speaker 1: but that does like boost thing natural made her neck
Speaker 1: feel better. No, it's true. I really like. I mean,
Speaker 1: I genuinely liked it. I had on I'd used a
Speaker 1: CBD bomb before, um that I thought was just okay,
Speaker 1: but this I was like, also because you know we
Speaker 1: got freebies, that was like, just slap it on. Great. Well,
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Speaker 1: or if you have tried any alternative approaches to pet care,
Speaker 1: give us a night call at one to four oh
Speaker 1: four six night, and you can also give us a
Speaker 1: night email at nightcall podcasts at gmail dot com. Also,
Speaker 1: if your pet is haunted or has been hexed, I
Speaker 1: want to hear that too. My favorite part of the
Speaker 1: whole letter is that is that they thought that the
Speaker 1: cat was the one that was absorbing the curse for
Speaker 1: the entire household. It was taking one for the team. There.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be awful if you like, went to the
Speaker 1: trouble to hex someone's household and the cat was the
Speaker 1: one who got hecks. That's just awful to think about
Speaker 1: all the ways they could inconvenience your enemy's son. That's true,
Speaker 1: asking for constant Yeah, peeing on the floor, It's true. Cats.
Speaker 1: Cats are powerful beings. Well, Samara, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on the podcast. Would you like to
Speaker 1: tell people where they can find you on social media
Speaker 1: and or your podcast? Oh my god, why, I would
Speaker 1: be happy to. Um. Yes, I just launched this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's called Permission to Speak, and it's on my heart
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from people about their voices.
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Speaker 1: dialect coach career? Or is it both? It's actually the
Speaker 1: dialect coaching is a minor jumping off point for much
Speaker 1: larger conversation about the intersection of our voices and power
Speaker 1: in society. And by our I don't even just mean women.
Speaker 1: I mean anybody who feels like they've been shut out
Speaker 1: of power for one reason or another. Because I coach
Speaker 1: people who are politicians and entrepreneurs and people who are
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Speaker 1: So check it out. Thanks again for joining us tomorrow
Speaker 1: and we will be back after the break with spring Breakers.
Speaker 1: Take it all. Welcome back to Nightcall. So. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can see this on the title of
Speaker 1: this week's episode, but this is the one hundred episode
Speaker 1: of Nightcall. Somehow we made it to one hundred episode. Guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to have like Avusla and
Speaker 1: here we need to drop the spring Breakers music, and
Speaker 1: I know we need Toscar licks Um for our hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: And because we are kicking off springbreak week here, we
Speaker 1: thought it was only appropriate to go back to one
Speaker 1: of our inspiring sources vision board items. Uh, what have
Speaker 1: you from? From Girls in Hoodies? From the Girls in
Speaker 1: Hoodies Days back in Grantland And that is Harmony Cream's
Speaker 1: spring Breakers from twelve Slash Theatrical released but one of
Speaker 1: the most important movies of the decade. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: get into its legacy a little bit later. But so
Speaker 1: much has happened since this movie came out to affect
Speaker 1: one's opinion of spring Breakers. Yeah, it is really um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if stands the test of time is
Speaker 1: the right word for it, but I think it like
Speaker 1: it has been refracted through the test of time. I think, um,
Speaker 1: which makes it even more interesting to talk about. I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when we all discussed it on
Speaker 1: Girls in Hoodies, we were mostly of the opinion that
Speaker 1: this was a delicious film. I think back then we
Speaker 1: kind of thought of it as being more feminist than
Speaker 1: not in most ways, Like we didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: was horribly sexist and clueless and tone deaf, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily is. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: people involved in this movie, even if I'm also referring
Speaker 1: to Riff Rap, who was not technically involved in this
Speaker 1: movie Yeah, I have have had some semi too and
Speaker 1: issues of that ILK I think I did and still
Speaker 1: consider this movie like a curio. UM, I forgot it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first Was this one of
Speaker 1: the first four movies? Um, it was, And it was
Speaker 1: one of the first Annapurna movies too. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was like this in Zero Dark thirty, which really
Speaker 1: tells you where we were at in UM. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and both of those Ultimate Girl Boss movies.
Speaker 1: I had such a probably wrong interpretation of that movie always,
Speaker 1: which is that I thought it was like, maybe it
Speaker 1: can be my interpretation is right, but I thought Zero
Speaker 1: Dark thirty was a movie about like a woman who
Speaker 1: becomes like as evil as the most evil men in
Speaker 1: the world in order to become like to succeed, and
Speaker 1: that my reading of it was like at the end
Speaker 1: when she's in the plane and they're just like looking
Speaker 1: at her face, She's like, what have I done? But
Speaker 1: then I think that's not what it was at I
Speaker 1: think it was just straight propagandia and I was just
Speaker 1: projecting my own stuff on top of it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been a long time since I saw that one, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the most macho phase of directors, she
Speaker 1: became a successful, powerful director, Like, how does a woman
Speaker 1: achieve that in nineteen eighties Hollywood especially, You have to
Speaker 1: like turn off all of your emotions and morals um um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think spring Breakers, the performances
Speaker 1: by the girls, I'll hold up grade. Oh oh okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: so here's to me. I remember and rewatching this this week.
Speaker 1: I remember it all flooded back to me. How watching
Speaker 1: this in the theater, especially in a dark room where
Speaker 1: you know you're you're really in the film. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I would be miserable if I was stuck
Speaker 1: around these girls. And I think that I recognize a
Speaker 1: lot of the ticks of a just do stuff and
Speaker 1: I'll film you improvisational type film. And I think that
Speaker 1: some people are very good at that, and some people
Speaker 1: are less good at that. I would put them like
Speaker 1: firmly in the middle in this one. I think, like,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of just like there's
Speaker 1: only a certain amount of times when people are just
Speaker 1: like lolling around and parking lots and doing handstands and
Speaker 1: stuff from like okay, okay, okay, I got it. You
Speaker 1: guys are friends like, but I mean that that I
Speaker 1: think though more so than maybe watching it in I
Speaker 1: definitely feel like we are meant to think they are assholes, um,
Speaker 1: more so than than than I think, well, they're assholes
Speaker 1: except for Selena Gomez. She represents the girl that wants
Speaker 1: to go home, which is apparently all of us. I
Speaker 1: think we thought at the time also, we were like
Speaker 1: we'd all go, oh yeah, no, I fully, I fully,
Speaker 1: and especially now like that scene where I just think
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez is so good in this movie, I agree,
Speaker 1: and the voice like she sings her songs and yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: for those who have not seen Spring Breakers and missed
Speaker 1: out on an entire cinematic revolution of the twenty times, uh,
Speaker 1: do one of you guys want to just go over
Speaker 1: what it is? Real quick? It takes like one second.
Speaker 1: It's the dubstep movie. Yeah, it is the skirl x movie.
Speaker 1: It's about a group of college girls who rob a
Speaker 1: fast food place, Chicken Chicken Shack for money and then
Speaker 1: use it to go on a spring break trip to Florida.
Speaker 1: They meet James Franco Alien, a guy named Alien based
Speaker 1: on riff raff, and he takes them deeper into a
Speaker 1: Flirty and Underworld of Crime, also again based on Dangerous
Speaker 1: with two s s and you in There, but riff
Speaker 1: Raff clearly also an inspiration for this movie. I went
Speaker 1: into like a whole Wikipedia spiral over that because I
Speaker 1: remembered it as like, of course it was riff Raff.
Speaker 1: But in the time since the movie was released and now, um,
Speaker 1: riff Raff tried to sue the movie for stealing his
Speaker 1: life as inspiration. Then he promoted it across his social media,
Speaker 1: and then um, I believe he was accused of rape.
Speaker 1: And at the time I remember being like riff Raff.
Speaker 1: This was an ongoing theme of the two thousands was
Speaker 1: people that we now know better and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's scamp, that love camp, just scamping around, and now
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of have to see it a
Speaker 1: little more. Some of these people, though, like Kevin Spacey,
Speaker 1: always seemed like a huge creep. So then when it
Speaker 1: came out like that Kevin Spacey was a huge creep,
Speaker 1: I was like, that does not seem super surprising. And
Speaker 1: I felt a little bit that way about Franco, especially
Speaker 1: when he started being like, also I'm a poet, and
Speaker 1: also I run an acting school. You know, just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something about trying to be a literary figure like
Speaker 1: immediately squeezes me out ten times more than trying to
Speaker 1: be an actor or like you're not actually that's smart,
Speaker 1: right shows and all your writing, but people like publish
Speaker 1: it anyway because you're famous. I mean, well, I was
Speaker 1: just I think it's very funny that he is like
Speaker 1: like like Alien is a poet in this movie and
Speaker 1: like composes some poems over the course of the film,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure that James Franco probably composed it,
Speaker 1: which is a very funny legacy for the era of
Speaker 1: James Franco poet. Um it's like this was the most
Speaker 1: probably well seen and um yeah, like the most high
Speaker 1: profile poetry that he will be remembered for. Like The
Speaker 1: Four Little Chickens Down on the Beach, I mean, the
Speaker 1: movie still feels actually like because it's nothing bad it happened,
Speaker 1: like nothing really bad happens to them until the very
Speaker 1: end right now, unlike other spring Break movies where it's
Speaker 1: like the girls are punished for like wanting to have
Speaker 1: fun and be sexual, as in another spring Break movie
Speaker 1: we'll watch soon called Where the Boys Are. That's very
Speaker 1: good original spring Breakers. It was the original spring Breakers,
Speaker 1: but with song. Yeah, like these like these girls it's
Speaker 1: not like something. They don't get assaulted sexually in the movie,
Speaker 1: which is what makes it feel light. Oh see, I
Speaker 1: see my feeling about it, and I had this inkling
Speaker 1: about it just because a lot of the race stuff
Speaker 1: in it really kind of you're like, that's a choice,
Speaker 1: and I think, I think, well, now, I think it's
Speaker 1: actually more intentional than maybe. I think that it was
Speaker 1: something that was discussed and criticized a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: and I think with more and more hindsight, it feels
Speaker 1: super intentional to me. And it does feel like a
Speaker 1: story about hot girl white feminism, and it is like,
Speaker 1: you know, taking the worst lessons from like white males
Speaker 1: and the violence and the greed and uh and then
Speaker 1: claiming that is your own and then murdering black and
Speaker 1: brown people like that feels that feels like what this
Speaker 1: movie encapsulates to me now, which is why I say
Speaker 1: that these girls all feel like assholes to me. Do
Speaker 1: you think Harmony Current thinks that's what it's about. I do, yeah,
Speaker 1: I And I think I would have said maybe not.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something we're projecting onto it, but I think
Speaker 1: watching it this time around, it feels so unmistakable. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's thinking about it in such academic terms,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that The casting and like the
Speaker 1: depiction of the different sides of this Florida underbelly, like
Speaker 1: one side being represented by James Franco and the other
Speaker 1: side being represented by Gucci Maine, Like, I feel like
Speaker 1: they are very intentionally Uh there's like a line drawn there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Vanessa Hudgens is not white. She's also great
Speaker 1: in this movie. I mean, I think what I liked
Speaker 1: about it at the time that I still like about
Speaker 1: it was the fact that like it took Selena Gomez
Speaker 1: and Vanessa Hudgens seriously as actresses, the way that like
Speaker 1: a young dude might get to be in an indie
Speaker 1: movie and be like, look, he's playing a heroin Addict.
Speaker 1: He's dark. Like they gave very good performances because nobody
Speaker 1: expects anything have teen actresses, um for them to be
Speaker 1: good at all. And I do just think Selena Gomez
Speaker 1: has like a sort of soulfulness I love. I think
Speaker 1: she's just sadness to her. The monologue stuff, like the
Speaker 1: messages she's over the phone, conversation she's having with her grandma,
Speaker 1: or just like you need her to deliver that because
Speaker 1: it's it's very stuff about the like just the Bible study.
Speaker 1: Like I like that whole part to a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: I think when Emily was also talking about how it's
Speaker 1: kind of white feminism, I think for me it was
Speaker 1: definite that I you know, it did seem more intentional.
Speaker 1: It seemed like there was a more of a message
Speaker 1: than I saw the first time. But to me, I
Speaker 1: saw it really as like a class thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that that was like, that's a very and
Speaker 1: I think that I got the sense of that when
Speaker 1: I first watched the movie, But I think now in
Speaker 1: it's much easier to kind of pull it together into
Speaker 1: a narrative because I think that initially um Harmony Kuran
Speaker 1: and kind of like pitched this as just a mood
Speaker 1: piece and just like a like sensory attactile kind of movie,
Speaker 1: and that the plot was almost secondary to that. And
Speaker 1: also I think um he said that he had missed
Speaker 1: out on spring Breaks as a way of kind of
Speaker 1: like experiencing what he thought it would be like, but
Speaker 1: then twisting it into this kind of nightmare. But I think,
Speaker 1: like you know, when you do kind of see like
Speaker 1: the power dynamic flipped in the way that it is,
Speaker 1: that's really striking, and then you notice how it's like
Speaker 1: but it's also the same power dynamic that, yeah, it
Speaker 1: as always existed, and it obviously treats like the movie
Speaker 1: treats Gucci Maine as like a figure of reverence, which
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody thought was what it did big art. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need the outside context of
Speaker 1: knowing about Gucci Maine to like enjoy this movie. But
Speaker 1: I like that he cast some non actors. Again, I
Speaker 1: feel like it does just kind of feel like a
Speaker 1: natural semi naturalistic teen exploitation movie. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that there's there's definite nods too, Like I
Speaker 1: mean the whole stretch from when they get arrested to
Speaker 1: when they get bailed out and they're just like in
Speaker 1: their bikinis the entire time, and it just feels like
Speaker 1: very much a nod to like the kind of exploitation
Speaker 1: movie that it could be. And I think that it's
Speaker 1: like very knowing and like funny in that way. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think like I think the stuff that's interesting
Speaker 1: to matter. I mean, these are not complaints. Like what
Speaker 1: I am like saying I'm noticing this time around is
Speaker 1: not a complaint. Like I feel like I appreciate movie
Speaker 1: more because I think, like the times the most interesting
Speaker 1: moments in the movie to me now, like and one
Speaker 1: of them was my original favorite part of the movie,
Speaker 1: which is when they make James Franco fullate the gun.
Speaker 1: Definitely part it still is because you're like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: like even before then, there are all these moments where
Speaker 1: they just like turn on a dime and kind of
Speaker 1: become these like appetite driven monsters, and it's really scary.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like very um. I think it feels
Speaker 1: like a really evocative encapsulation, maybe not of like how
Speaker 1: a real person would be, but kind of like what
Speaker 1: young people are subjected to and like how they are
Speaker 1: like driven to have these like violent appetites for like
Speaker 1: money and escape and like very fleeting you know, pleasures
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, which I think, like, I think
Speaker 1: we can all identify with some of that. But I
Speaker 1: think seeing in this like hyper neon very extreme version
Speaker 1: is like it's very striking, like and I think that's
Speaker 1: really well done. That's it's well directed and it's well
Speaker 1: acted by them. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of beach towns have like a seedy underside. There's something
Speaker 1: that goes along with being a tourist place that does
Speaker 1: breathe this sort of weird uh economy. Oh it's so true.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I that's something that I in retrospect
Speaker 1: feel almost guilty about, just in terms of participating. Like
Speaker 1: I know, but you know, I love Sweet Break just
Speaker 1: the way that you treat a town that, in your
Speaker 1: mind is intended to be a playground, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's you there's a point in your life
Speaker 1: when you really have no concept. It's not that you're
Speaker 1: going in and being an asshole to everybody. It's just
Speaker 1: that by kind of like descending upon a place, acting
Speaker 1: as if you know, it's that this is how life
Speaker 1: always is here, and you displace people. I mean in
Speaker 1: a way like when you talk about the Olympics, like
Speaker 1: on a much smaller and different scale, it plays out
Speaker 1: in a similar way, like the onomy is just completely
Speaker 1: shifted for a season and then abandoned, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And and it's I think that there are
Speaker 1: probably some realities to that that you would only know
Speaker 1: if you lived in a place like Panama City Beach
Speaker 1: or St. Petersburg Um. And it's and it also seems
Speaker 1: in a way to be like, I don't know, not
Speaker 1: unique to Florida. Obviously, this this is you know, any
Speaker 1: kind of place with like a large tourism draw, but Florida.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like how kind of emblematic of the spring
Speaker 1: right culture and just of of tourism and vacation culture.
Speaker 1: And also when we were talking about sort of pandemic
Speaker 1: fears earlier, to tie it back in, you think about
Speaker 1: like when a place is so dependent on tourism for
Speaker 1: the economy, it's like then if something like a like
Speaker 1: a illness, like you know, stops the normal cycle of
Speaker 1: things from happening, like those people don't get paid and
Speaker 1: it's not their fault, I wonder how it will affect
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas as well. I mean that's when you
Speaker 1: start thinking about how this could play out. That's when
Speaker 1: it starts to get terrified, because you're like, well, you
Speaker 1: have to shut down public transport people like avoid crowds.
Speaker 1: I was like, how can you avoid crowds and crowds?
Speaker 1: Crowds it's and it also and then when you start
Speaker 1: seeing the adjustments that could be made if this became
Speaker 1: like a real like a real threat, you just have
Speaker 1: no sense of when it would end. And and then
Speaker 1: if you have very little faith in our administration, as
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do, Uh, there's the
Speaker 1: sense that that can be used to manipulate you. I
Speaker 1: went on a thing about you, guys. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: went in the darkest place I just read. I just
Speaker 1: wrote a thing about tiki culture where I learned everything
Speaker 1: about tiki bar culture. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: learned was that it came up during the Great Depression
Speaker 1: because it was people's like idealized fantasy of visiting the
Speaker 1: South Seas and the Polynesian islands. Um. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: actually about going. It was just like this fantasy of
Speaker 1: going to the tropical place. And then they're like, we're
Speaker 1: going to work sure it with this drink. They're also
Speaker 1: such good drinks, and it's so much fun to have
Speaker 1: a tiny toy. And it was also at the end
Speaker 1: of prohibition, so it was like a double barrel of
Speaker 1: like you can drink again. And also everyone's broke. It's healthy,
Speaker 1: it has juice in it. I can put corn flakes
Speaker 1: in it. But I feel like that's also how spring
Speaker 1: break and just like the concept of vacation operates in
Speaker 1: like the imagination of the average person. Yeah yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like a Baudriyard essay that's all about just how like
Speaker 1: the idea of vacation just like is what people use
Speaker 1: to mark how good of a time they think they're having.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I like the Selena Gomez voiceover stuff,
Speaker 1: because it's not though, who who spring break, let's go
Speaker 1: get fucked up thing that she's expressing. It's like a
Speaker 1: much deeper kind of sentiment that I think anybody, even
Speaker 1: people who have just been on a normal vacation, can
Speaker 1: identify with, which is just like I don't want to
Speaker 1: see the same things every single day. I want to
Speaker 1: go someplace and like really understand myself there. And it's
Speaker 1: very like it's sort of like Winky doing it over
Speaker 1: these shots of you know, people just like wiggling their
Speaker 1: bare breasts around and like jacking off beers into each
Speaker 1: other's mouth. Um, but I think like, but it also
Speaker 1: is like kind of very touching because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a kind of humanity to even
Speaker 1: this ship at a certain point, and people are only
Speaker 1: doing this people need to release well yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: and people are only doing this like because of a
Speaker 1: series of like cultural cues that tells them they should
Speaker 1: do this and that they are going to find those
Speaker 1: things if they do that. And like, I think that
Speaker 1: some people obviously have great transcendent experiences. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: hear about tests at some point this time, and some
Speaker 1: people don't. Some people are Selena Gomez is. But it's
Speaker 1: like you still go out with the optimism that you
Speaker 1: are going to like connect with other people and like
Speaker 1: have some sort of new transformative experience. I think experienced
Speaker 1: one really great one and two not so good ones
Speaker 1: to be but I'll spill the beans in our Patreon
Speaker 1: com I mean, I think that's the other thing obviously
Speaker 1: about vacation, but in spring break in particular, I think, um,
Speaker 1: when you have a plan to drink as much as possible,
Speaker 1: like it's hard because you can go into it with
Speaker 1: the intentions of having it like the voice over, where
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't have to be the way that
Speaker 1: it always ends up being. I mean, and that also
Speaker 1: like kind of speaks to like an alcoholic mindset of
Speaker 1: just like you, in your mind, it's going to be this,
Speaker 1: and then like the reality is so not that you're
Speaker 1: chasing this like ideal five hours of like perfect abriation
Speaker 1: where nothing bad happening. And I think there's like the
Speaker 1: gap between people's expectations of their vacation and like what
Speaker 1: it's actually like. It's such an interesting thing because it's
Speaker 1: like people, that is how people sort of motivate themselves
Speaker 1: to keep going. It's like and that I get to
Speaker 1: my vacation, afford to go on a vacation and better
Speaker 1: be the best. Yeah, And a spring break particularly, like
Speaker 1: what's specific about springbreak. It's like a lot of people's
Speaker 1: first time going on vacation without their family exactly, and
Speaker 1: so it is like a very you know, big first
Speaker 1: experience to go out in the world and do something
Speaker 1: just with friends as an adult, being treated like an adult,
Speaker 1: like buying your own tickets to go do something. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean I haven't. I have never done
Speaker 1: a spring breaks still time a break, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think people have various versions of it. The Florida going
Speaker 1: to Florida is the classic, but you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's other people who are like, you went to Montreal, Mollie.
Speaker 1: I did go to Montreal for my spring breaks. That
Speaker 1: story yeah at some point to is it like a
Speaker 1: Vice themed spring No, but it's silly so it'll fit
Speaker 1: on our podcast. Well, before we wrap up today, should
Speaker 1: we take one last night call a spring break? Night call?
Speaker 1: Do it? Okay? II night call? This is Leah. I'm
Speaker 1: calling him with my spooky spring break story. So. When
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I was friends with someone.
Speaker 1: His name was Ryan, and he was a year younger
Speaker 1: than me, and he was like the total goof class
Speaker 1: clown um, sort of like punk kid everybody loved and Um.
Speaker 1: When I was a senior and he was a junior,
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, he got into a
Speaker 1: horrific skateboarding accident. Um. I promised, this is not this,
Speaker 1: this has to do a spring break. Um. He was
Speaker 1: in a coma for a really long time and then
Speaker 1: he came out of in you know, sort of okay.
Speaker 1: But by that time I went off to college. So
Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, I drove with my best
Speaker 1: friend Alex down to Rocky Point, Mexico, which is um.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Tucson, Arizona, and Rocky Point is
Speaker 1: like this sort of sleepy beach town that is, UM
Speaker 1: has like disgustings for a grade full of people from
Speaker 1: high school. Um, it's like a four hour dry the
Speaker 1: two sons. So um, I get there. We get there.
Speaker 1: Where at the spot, I was like, you know, just
Speaker 1: the grossest version of spring break. And I see my
Speaker 1: friend Ryan, who I haven't seen since he came out
Speaker 1: of the coma, and he just really has this days
Speaker 1: completely the little look on his days. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Ryan, how are you do?
Speaker 1: You do? You want to shot um like an apple
Speaker 1: that I am? And he was just like, I, UM,
Speaker 1: could we go outside for a minute. So we went
Speaker 1: outside and he just basically looked at me and was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who I am anymore. I don't know
Speaker 1: who I'm supposed to be and was essentially having a
Speaker 1: very intense identity crisis because of the coma and was
Speaker 1: saying to me that he kept saying, I knew, I
Speaker 1: know the part I'm supposed to play, um, but I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do it anymore. And meanwhile, like people,
Speaker 1: if I are screaming, I am also hammered of course
Speaker 1: really UM not equipped to provide the emotional support that
Speaker 1: this person really needed. I think a couple came out
Speaker 1: and we're like making out really close to us, UM
Speaker 1: and uh, it was very intense, and I think it's
Speaker 1: just sort of ended with like I gave him a
Speaker 1: hug and was like, you'll get there like that, and
Speaker 1: then UM, I went back inside and um finished spring break.
Speaker 1: And also I remember taking a car home that a
Speaker 1: friend of ours drove very irresponsibly, and my other friend
Speaker 1: Alex thought we had stolen a taxi. That's it. Um,
Speaker 1: I love you, I love night column and I call
Speaker 1: head happy, Thank you, le, thank you so much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that really gets at the heart of the
Speaker 1: existential reckoning within the very idea of spring break itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can't escape like being a human. You think
Speaker 1: you can and just go for the fun, but then
Speaker 1: there's the inconvenience of being a human in a human society. Also,
Speaker 1: there's tons of ways to dissociate and feel like another
Speaker 1: person other than drinking copious amounts of alcohol. Turns out
Speaker 1: you can just get a coma. In a coma, I
Speaker 1: forget how long did she say he'd been in a coma.
Speaker 1: Did she say, I don't know. She said, can you imagine? No,
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. I don't know what I would say
Speaker 1: to that person either, especially if you know them and
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know what that must be. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to interesting more alienated and yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't know what to say that person. Yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: they have found peace. Yeah they figured it out. Um horrible.
Speaker 1: Definitely don't go to a spring like a trashy's drink
Speaker 1: break hang out if that's where you are. But maybe
Speaker 1: he thought he could escape from It's probably so hard
Speaker 1: to even leave the house. It's like you eventually you
Speaker 1: just have to try and throw yourself into it. And
Speaker 1: especially I mean if you isolate yourself, and I'm imagining
Speaker 1: this is probably back. I mean when we were in
Speaker 1: high school there wasn't like that much internet, so you're
Speaker 1: so isolated unless you go to where your friends are
Speaker 1: and they're the people who have like the missing pieces
Speaker 1: of who you are that your family would. I'm now
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this because it's fascinating. It's like you
Speaker 1: would need your friends to tell you. But if you
Speaker 1: don't know how you are You wouldn't know how to
Speaker 1: act for them at all. Yeah, if your friends are like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's what you used to be like, that would also
Speaker 1: be so now pretend to be that way. Oh weird? Well, Brian, Um,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Now, please give us your spring break stories
Speaker 1: at two four oh four six night They can be
Speaker 1: horror stories or not, that's right, good stories, bad stories,
Speaker 1: scary stories, haunted susion theories. Yeah, we're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: Springbreak Month all March here on Nightcall, so we've got
Speaker 1: time for all of them. And you can also give
Speaker 1: us an email and Night Called Podcasts at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: And that does it for this week. We'll be back
Speaker 1: next week more spring break stories and the meantime. You
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