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Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of fighting and mending this thing, we got

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Speaker 3: a fight coming back to men what went wrong in

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven. That's right, Floyd Money Manny pac Man pack

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Speaker 3: out rematch decade after.

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Speaker 4: The first Semantics.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't know about y'all, but sources close to

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Speaker 3: the situation knew this was coming down the pike for

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Speaker 3: a hot second.

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Speaker 4: Me and Calvin Fell real knowledgeable.

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to be like a snitch, but yes,

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Speaker 3: it was announced today that Floyd versus Manny the rematch

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Speaker 3: will take place September nineteenth, twenty twenty six, after sphear

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Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, stream live the Living Color only on Netflix,

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Speaker 3: and Rob I could tie by looking at you, you

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Speaker 3: are so excited, I.

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Speaker 5: Just threw up in my mouth and I'm gonna say

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Speaker 5: this to you from the first one. It was the

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Speaker 5: first time in American history that a black man gave

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Speaker 5: a white man welfare, because that's what that was, that

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Speaker 5: was a welfare payment in that Yeah, like there was

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Speaker 5: no way that Paquial deserved that, do you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like that was just awful.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Interested in this as well. I hate to be the

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Speaker 5: old man on the get off my long guy, but

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Speaker 5: I covered boxing for the Detroit Free Press. I was

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Speaker 5: in Vegas all the time, fights all that. I'm snow,

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Speaker 5: do we want.

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Speaker 4: To see this again? Here's the problem, right, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to see you know it the counter. This is

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Speaker 1: We're the even couple, not the eye couple, because dange

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Speaker 1: we agree on this stuff. But here here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: They pulled the okie doke on us. This is why

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Speaker 1: Floyd rob g is a business genius. He pulled the

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Speaker 1: okie doke on us. How you say, I'll tell you how.

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Speaker 1: He sets up the one with Mike Tyson. So we

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Speaker 1: go all by humbug. I don't want to see this.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson's literally sixty. This is not going this his bue.

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Speaker 1: This is here we go again. This is trash and

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Speaker 1: then he gets you just enough of the appetite for

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Speaker 1: real boxing, and you can convince yourself he's still in

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Speaker 1: his forties. Granted he's forty nine tomorrow. You know, Pacchio

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Speaker 1: just fought what was it, Rob g Is six three

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Speaker 1: months ago? Maybe Pakia six months ago. Think he fought

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Speaker 1: semi recently. So you can just trick yourself enough to go, well,

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Speaker 1: this is real boxing light, this is real boxing ish

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Speaker 1: and you can get close enough to this because you're

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Speaker 1: tired of the Jake Paul and the whomever's.

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Speaker 4: You're tired of the the Floyd and the Tysons. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna stop you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to see this stuff. But

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Speaker 1: they this is this is they get this is good people.

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Speaker 1: It's not people want to see this. There's nothing here,

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Speaker 1: you know, Alex, don't pay attention. Don't pay attention to

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Speaker 1: that man behind the curtain. That's what this is.

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Speaker 5: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, because

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Speaker 5: all this is is there's nothing going on in boxing.

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Speaker 4: We could give.

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Speaker 5: Them anything, any garbage. They have no regard for the

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Speaker 5: boxing fan. They just know that people have nothing to

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Speaker 4: Night.

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Speaker 5: It is to have a reason I have people over

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Speaker 5: or do something. People try to talk themselves into it.

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Speaker 5: With the Tyson fight, I told you and Rob G

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Speaker 5: from day one, didn't I this is gonna be awful, terrible.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I've seen him on I G. You see

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Speaker 5: he's in shape. He the best look at sixty year old.

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Speaker 5: You see he I forgot the contract.

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Speaker 4: The contract. No, he just want to know. He just

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Speaker 6: He should have had on a mask and a gun

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Speaker 1: Steady had on a throng and we didn't want to

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I just stop it already.

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Speaker 5: Can you guys, can you do me a favor? I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about the general public? HU, can you just stop?

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Speaker 5: Just can you can make this stuff go away?

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Speaker 6: Stop? Stop, don't be involved in this.

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Speaker 5: Do not have parties with your friends, do not go

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Speaker 5: to this, do not buy tickets.

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Speaker 6: Stop it. Just stop. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, you know I've set up here. I

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Speaker 4: just who was I with that day? Was it Ephrom?

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Speaker 1: Last week Rogie I pounded the dag on table. Last week,

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Speaker 1: tick of this Tyson and Bloyd This first of all,

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Speaker 1: Floyd doesn't fight Anybodynymore Tyson biting his gloves. He can't

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Speaker 1: fight anybody. He won't let his hands go. So what

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Speaker 1: are we doing here? It's gonna be argument about Hey,

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Speaker 1: what seniors with AARP account?

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Speaker 4: Do you have this senior citizen battle?

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Speaker 1: The challenge is Rob We're gonna come off the tight

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Speaker 1: since you come out I was whacked. That was boring.

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Speaker 1: Then you're gonna see Pokea and Floyd. You all here

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Speaker 1: go a real fight again. Here's the rematch we wanted

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Speaker 1: a literal decade ago, and people are gonna watch. And

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Speaker 1: the other trouble with this is the star boxers. Steward

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Speaker 1: Tank Garcia, if you want to throw him in there.

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Speaker 1: Disadful of these guys. They draw, not aside from Canelo,

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Speaker 1: Canelo's been Canelo. They draw, but not like the numbers,

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Speaker 1: the same type of boxer their predecessors would have got.

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Speaker 1: But Crawford might be the best boxer last twenty years,

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Speaker 1: aside from you know, Floyd. If you want to go

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Speaker 1: post Floyd, Canello could be right there as well. Nobody

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Speaker 1: the problem is that real boxers don't draw like that,

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Speaker 5: Whether whether that draws or not. This shouldn't draw just

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Speaker 5: because you know the names. Stop it already. It's just

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Speaker 5: like the movie business. Fear Fast and Furious ninety two,

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Speaker 5: just make him. They just keep making the same movie.

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Speaker 5: And because people are name wrecking, I'll go watch that one, dude.

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Speaker 5: The last one were bad, right, and you're still going.

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Speaker 5: I remember when they had Jaws four. It drove me crazy.

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Speaker 5: Somebody gotta break his jaw this one.

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Speaker 4: George four. Really they add couples different.

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Speaker 1: This is different. No, they did say they sick at

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Speaker 1: three point five. This is different. They said it's your

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Speaker 1: last straw. This is your last straw. If and when

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Speaker 1: I leave, they said, this is your last straw. What

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? They don't want the odd couple.

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Speaker 1: Look there and there, Rob Jenning, what Cole? I can't

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Speaker 4: This guy has been in this, this guy has done this.

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Speaker 4: But together they are the odd couple. Squeety talking about

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Speaker 4: there's no odd couple. Eleven it's been this show before.

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Speaker 4: It's bad.

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Speaker 1: The two shows there's been three, No, but it's the

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Speaker 4: I'm always I'm always the same, I haven't left. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what the Street said. They Street said, well,

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Speaker 1: Rob Vis, how we doing it? You can't have another

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Speaker 1: odd couple of dub Leaves. Then that's what the Street said. Man,

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Speaker 1: Coming away, we are joined on by Braiden Fejoko, former

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman and someone who put out a tweet who

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Speaker 1: was very passionate about something we're gonna have a conversation about.

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Speaker 4: Braiden, Man, appreciate you joining the show. What's happening?

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Speaker 8: Hi, you guys doing the night. I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 8: for having.

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Speaker 4: Me no doubt man, we're doing well. We want to

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Speaker 1: I want to start by reading your tweets and then

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Speaker 1: I want you to just, you know, speak to you

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Speaker 1: what you're referring to. What had you so emphatic. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna keep it a stack. I don't care. I'm retired.

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Speaker 1: I'll say what I want. These NFL teams come out

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Speaker 1: here and post these mental health awareness posts talking about

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Speaker 1: they care about players, don't be afraid to reach out,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. All they care about is what you bring

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Speaker 1: go to a staff member, tell them you're struggling. Watch

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Speaker 1: how different they start treating you and looking at you.

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Speaker 1: I've seen in firsthand. I'll start believing that they care

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Speaker 1: about player is meant players health when the owners, GM

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Speaker 1: and head coach treat everyone on the roster the same,

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Speaker 1: from the quarterback to the janitor. Until then, don't tell

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Speaker 1: me that they care because they posted some hotline number.

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Speaker 1: When blank like this happens and I'm here for all

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Speaker 1: my brothers just want to talk about and shoot the

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Speaker 1: blank love y'all care about y'all?

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Speaker 4: What made you put that out there?

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Speaker 8: You know? First and foremost? I think for me, it's

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Speaker 8: just all right.

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Speaker 3: I got.

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Speaker 8: Just mental health, ordeal and break.

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Speaker 1: Can you start that last sense over your phone went out?

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Speaker 1: Can you say that part again?

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Speaker 9: Start?

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Speaker 8: Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we got you, I said,

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Speaker 8: you know, for me, somebody who's playing the NFL, I

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Speaker 8: just got very sick and fatigued on the fact that

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Speaker 8: every time something like this happens, then teams and owners

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Speaker 8: and social media accounts, they start to try to attract awareness.

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Speaker 8: When this is something that goes on twenty four to

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Speaker 8: through it, somebody who's gone through it, somebody who's had

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Speaker 8: mental health issues who actively goes through therapy. While I

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Speaker 8: the Doug Martins, who are you know, retired and you

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Speaker 4: Bradon Man, we got to entit there.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you man, coming on and sharing your passion again,

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Speaker 1: rest in peace to Rondell Moore, And we appreciate you

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate you guys man.

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Speaker 4: No thanks, all right.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple

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Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm

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Speaker 4: Rob G.

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Speaker 5: Pat Riley is about ninety five years I don't know

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Speaker 3: But he deserves that statue, right, Rob, you do agree

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, let him get good to get four

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Speaker 3: How many all the fames you win, Rob, he can

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, the paid him to do it. But apparently,

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Speaker 4: Put he wanted more.

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Speaker 6: Oh there's other stuff there that doesn't add up.

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Speaker 10: He looks good for being eighty. He looks good, but

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Speaker 10: you hear what he said. You take Nicole wasn't good?

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Speaker 4: How good? What else is another one that didn't so good?

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Speaker 3: So pat Riley got his statue right at Crypto dot

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Speaker 4: I just want to guy, it did the Marty suit?

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Speaker 3: Afterwards he met with the media, and of course Lebron

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Speaker 11: It was I mean, four trips to the finals in

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Speaker 4: We'll never know.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's official, pat Roley c Now, okay, Pat Raley,

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Speaker 4: And when I say that, I really believe it.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm not just up here blowing smoking none

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Speaker 5: About the idea that pat Riley. I know he's eighty.

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Speaker 5: First of all, they gave up a championship to a

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Speaker 4: Gonna bring it up, they would be one in three.

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Speaker 5: Half the fans at the arena, where were they, Kelvin,

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Speaker 5: Go back and watch the video, pat Riley when Lebron

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Speaker 4: He wouldn't He wasn't joking.

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Speaker 5: They thought when they put that team together, they were

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Speaker 5: gonna run all five or six in a row.

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Speaker 4: Who was gonna beat them? In the East, they were

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Speaker 4: gonna go to the finals every year.

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Speaker 5: It's like the Patriots playing in the AFC East AFC least,

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Speaker 5: that's what the East was.

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Speaker 4: When they put.

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Speaker 5: Together that team in Miami, nobody was going Lebron went

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Speaker 5: to the finals what ten years in a row or whatever, dude,

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Speaker 5: and the idea that they only got two championships out

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Speaker 5: of that lost to an inferior Dallas team and got

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Speaker 5: bulldozed by the Spurs, and they nearly lost that other

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Speaker 5: one to the Spurs. Kawhi mister free throw mantled Gernobii

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Speaker 5: missed a couple he throws like they were on the

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Speaker 5: cusp of being one in three with four straight trips

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Speaker 5: to the NBA Finals. So no, pat Riley, him sticking

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Speaker 5: around didn't mean you were gonna have some dynasty going on,

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Speaker 5: because what you.

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Speaker 4: Had done was mid at best. I call it underachieving.

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Speaker 5: That team underachieved that they couldn't put together three championships.

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Speaker 4: In a row.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're over selling the the like what

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Speaker 1: they could have done. I think going at four and

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Speaker 1: went in two was was fine.

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Speaker 4: You wanted more.

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Speaker 1: But if I told you'd win two out of four

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Speaker 1: and you go four straight, that's that's insane.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not not when they be not when that

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Speaker 5: Dallas team, Jason and and and.

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Speaker 4: No, we're talking about blemishes on Lebron's career.

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Speaker 1: And there's this, if there's a that, if there's a this,

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Speaker 1: if there's a that, that's number one because even if

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Speaker 1: that or even if they say they lost, it's how

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Speaker 1: they went out, and specifically him, how he went out

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Speaker 1: in a loss.

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Speaker 4: So I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: Here's a couple of other things I got to add

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Speaker 1: to pat Riley. I'm gonna work backwards here to the

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Speaker 1: most important number one. Dwayne Wade's decline was epic. From

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Speaker 1: there on, Dwayne Wade's decline after the year. After that

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Speaker 1: Lebron left. He played one more All Star year with

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Speaker 1: the Heat after that fifty nine games, three games, three games,

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Speaker 1: zero game, two games. He played a combined eight games

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Speaker 1: after the twenty seventeen season. You're out to said you

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Speaker 1: eight games Dwayne Wade played or I'm sorry, not eight games.

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Speaker 1: He only started eight games for the next handful of years,

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Speaker 1: meaning he wasn't to Dwayne Wage your thought. Also, Chris

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Speaker 1: Bosh had blood clot issues, Like, are we forgetting That's

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Speaker 1: that's why I said, he's officially seen that. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: forgetting Chris Bosh had blood cline. We ain't seen him

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Speaker 1: since and on the basketball court. I'm hoping he's doing

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Speaker 1: amazing in life, but I'm saying on a basketball court.

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Speaker 1: So Dwayne Wade starts eight games for the next one

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Speaker 1: two through four years after the year, after the next

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Speaker 1: one more year, he was still solid. And then after that,

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Speaker 1: Chris Bosh is having blood clots. And I would argue,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, rob because we saw Lebron in

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Speaker 1: the East. If you can get him another player, he

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00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: can get you to the finals more than anything. Why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked is because of pat Riley. Pat Riley

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Speaker 1: and Lebron. James would not work because what comes with

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Speaker 1: Lebron is a lot of concessions. Hey, I'm gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: Hey i'm gonna bring that. Hey draft that guy. I

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Speaker 1: ain't saying you should. This is my team, can they

504
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Speaker 1: come on to do this? Is my guys, my whole crew.

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Speaker 1: Pat Riley didn't like deansourage. Pat Ridley didn't like all

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Speaker 1: of this. Pat Riley didn't want Lebron. He was mad

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Speaker 1: at the loss or somethingmember. He took the seven Camp

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Speaker 1: chocolate chips on the cookies.

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Speaker 4: Lebron was mad that he wouldn't fire Eric Sposter. He

510
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Speaker 4: wouldn't fire Eric Sposter. Look at it, Eric Sposter still

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Speaker 4: a great coach, and we couldn't.

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Speaker 1: And then they got in the beef and they say

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Speaker 1: the final straw was that Lebron couldn't have his cookies

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Speaker 1: on the plane because you know, pat Riley was particular

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Speaker 1: by weight and body fat percentage and all that and

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Speaker 1: and you know, giving you privileges that would not have

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Speaker 1: worked what Lebron would expecting, especially now that he's a

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Speaker 1: two time champion, meaning now I have that thing that

519
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: you can't say, well, he's good, but he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a championship. I have a couple of rings. I'm the

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Speaker 1: face of the league. I'm MVPs and you don't want

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Speaker 1: to give me this. We can't talk about that. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to concede here. Pat Riley is known for

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Speaker 1: being a stickler, not budget. Those two would not have worked.

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Speaker 1: More than anything, because even if dwayde Wade declined, even

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Speaker 1: with Chris bosh health issues, Lebron James was in his

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Speaker 1: prime that if you would have paired him with another

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Speaker 1: All Star, I'll like Kyrie Irving, you go straight back

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Speaker 1: to four finals. But more than anything, pat Riley and

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Speaker 1: Lebron would not have worked. They would have clashed and

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Speaker 1: it would just not one of them would have had

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Speaker 1: to concede. One of them had to retire. Pat Ridley,

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Speaker 1: I'm just done with this, or Lebron saying in Miami

534
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: they're exposed. That's what I'm saying. So then Lebron thing

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Speaker 1: in a long time, like like let's just be on.

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Speaker 1: I know they've been to the finals a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying Lebron would have left inevitably in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: because he and Pat Riley, it just wouldn't have worked,

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Speaker 1: like the not yielding anything, and pat Riley was no

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Speaker 1: you listening to Magic Johnson tell Story's tren we couldn't

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Speaker 1: do this, We couldn't have parents. The only time a

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Speaker 1: parent got to fly was then they had this crushing

543
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Speaker 1: loss to the Celtics in the finals and he let

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Speaker 1: Kareem's father ride with him, and that was the only

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Speaker 1: time they all looked like, oh what. So my point

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Speaker 1: is pat Riley, even when he was coming up as

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Speaker 1: a coach, let alone, now as a president and a

548
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: made man, he ain't conceding nobody.

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Speaker 4: Him and Lebron would not have worked.

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Speaker 5: If you remember the reason that Tim Duncan didn't go

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Speaker 5: to Orlando with Grant.

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Speaker 1: Hill because they would not let his father, Tracy McGrady

553
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Speaker 1: was just white.

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Speaker 4: I mean his wife fly. That was it.

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Speaker 1: They be like no, no, no family on the flight.

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Speaker 1: And I think Doc got that from Pat. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: this weird yeah, Like that's my point. When you get superstars,

558
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Speaker 1: specifically in the NBA, but you have to make it

559
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Speaker 1: so you gotta you know, you gotta massage the relationship

560
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Speaker 1: and all that. And Pat ain't that guy. And I

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Speaker 1: just don't think it would have worked. So, like I said,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade never was the same after that. Chris I

563
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Speaker 1: had health issues, and more importantly than anything, I just

564
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Speaker 1: don't think at that point where Lebron was facing the

565
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: league now a two time champion, you know, mister everything

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Speaker 1: him and pat Riley would

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Speaker 4: Not have worked in my opinion, much longer