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Speaker 1: Ah Right hour two live in Chicago. It's the Hurd, Big,

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Speaker 1: big weekend. I think it's going to be an upset

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Speaker 1: weekend in college football. Upset weekend in college football.

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Speaker 3: It's a Herd. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Rachel Nichols in fifteen minutes. What a what

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Speaker 1: a wild, wacky world we live in. I do think

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Speaker 1: the NBA is going to be fine. People will still

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Speaker 1: watch it. I think incidents like the Damon Jones, Chauncey

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Speaker 1: billup stuff is there are rogued Tim Donaghee nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: Boston College, Henry Hill, Richie the fixer Perry. You can't,

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Speaker 1: you can't. I mean this is not analogous, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like not everything is a large group of people.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they always talk about this insecurity, the lone gunman,

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Speaker 1: the lone wolf, who is disconnected. He's a loaner. Nobody.

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Speaker 1: FBI can't predict that stuff. CIA can't predict that stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's what you always worry about security for government officials CEOs.

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Speaker 3: It's a rando.

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Speaker 1: It's a lone wolf who's kind of a loaner and

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Speaker 1: not connected. So this idea that everything is this big honeycomb,

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Speaker 1: it's this big net all connected, I just don't believe

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Speaker 1: that to be true. I mean, I've been betting on

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Speaker 1: sports forever. I can bet ten dollars anytime and that's it.

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Speaker 1: But I can also have a glass of champagne celebrating

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Speaker 1: something and that's it, because it gives me a headache

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Speaker 1: after one. So I don't think this is a big

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Speaker 1: net of NBA players, mob gambling athletes. Bad judgment been

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Speaker 1: around since the Romans and the Chariot races, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to continue.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've had a couple of good weeks. I've been

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Speaker 3: on a.

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Speaker 1: Heater four and one last week, four and one this week.

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Speaker 1: I do not like taking favorites, and I do not

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Speaker 1: like the lines this week at all. Here's our blazing five.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up, fired Up. It's Collins blazon Fox,

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Speaker 2: Fars and Ravens. My favorite pick Ravens. Lamar is backed

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Speaker 2: minus six. Lamar returns.

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Speaker 1: Ravens average thirty three a game and six and a

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Speaker 1: half yards per play in the four games this year

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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, and it's a must win game total

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Speaker 1: urgency for the franchise. Lamar has eaten the NFC for

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Speaker 1: lunch twenty four to three in his career. Even better,

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Speaker 1: at home, the Bears on the road defense isn't a

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Speaker 1: good Caleb Williams by the way, last three games, completion

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Speaker 1: percentage has dipped to fifty eight point seven percent, and

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Speaker 1: right now the Bears defense can make splash plays and takeaways,

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Speaker 3: Play against Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's gonna eat favorite pick of the weekend Ravens

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Speaker 1: minus six. They win twenty eight to twenty one, and

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Speaker 1: it won't feel that close. Browns hit Patriots another big favorite.

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Speaker 1: I like New England at home minus seven. Why because

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Speaker 1: four straight wins and they're averaging thirty a game during

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Speaker 1: those wins and their defense is great against the run,

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Speaker 1: meaning Dylan Gabriel will have to pass to beat Drake

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Speaker 1: May and the Patriots in Brable. I don't see it happening.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense not as good on the road. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they have the twenty eight ranked rush offense. So Dylan

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's happening.

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Speaker 1: I like the Patriots to win by ten, twenty eight

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Speaker 2: Dolphins at Felcons.

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Speaker 1: I like the over forty four and a half points.

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Speaker 1: by Dolphins and their opponents have combined for forty five

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Speaker 1: Their defense allows big, big plays in Atlanta at home

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Speaker 1: a half points, twenty eight, twenty one thirty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: My bad of Falcons win forty nine ers at Texans.

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Speaker 1: There are concerns about the Texans health at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: but this offense for the Texans, it's the number three

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Speaker 1: great all season. Sam Darnold and Seattle at home last

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Speaker 1: think it's a choppie game. I'm gonna take the Texans

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Speaker 3: Cowboys and Broncos finally, Denver minus three at home. I

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Speaker 1: Take the Broncos three and zero at home. Won eight

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Speaker 1: they have an atrocious big play defense. So the Broncos

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Speaker 1: need to hit on big plays, have finally found a

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Speaker 1: and I like Denver to cover the spread. Twenty eight

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Speaker 1: twenty four Broncos win. So in a review, I like

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Speaker 1: favorites this week, I generally don't love them. Favorite bet

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Speaker 1: Ravens minus six at home, Lamar returns, Patriots minus seven

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Speaker 1: at home Cleveland. Dylan Gabriel will have to throw.

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Speaker 3: To win, and I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: Take the over Atlanta at home scores and the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: defense is a mess.

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Speaker 3: Take the over.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Texans at home minus one and

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Speaker 3: I think it's a fun game. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: But Denver they are really really seeking the big play,

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Speaker 1: and this is the defense that does allow the big play.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys couldn't say the last time I took three

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Speaker 1: favorites generally don't like doing that. It's a wonky week

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Speaker 3: Now I did not.

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Speaker 1: I did not take the Steelers because the number now

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Speaker 1: the hook was the key the places I watched it's

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Speaker 1: and it's funny Aaron's facing at home facing the Packers again,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about the memories of him in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. So he won four MVPs. He was not

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Speaker 1: about five hundred, so is Jordan Love. So what I

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Speaker 1: I've said this, Dan Marino gets to a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: year two, never gets back, but we remember Marino so

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Speaker 1: fondly because it was such a beautiful, eye pleasing style.

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Speaker 1: Same with Aaron. Aaron's last twelve years in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: So he wins early in his career, and we think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a decade of dominance. His last

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Speaker 1: twelve seasons after that in Green Bay he was seven

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Speaker 1: and nine in the playoffs and lost multiple times as

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Speaker 1: a favorite. In fact, those nine losses his last twelve

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Speaker 1: that was the most playoff losses by any.

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Speaker 3: Team in that stretch.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Mahomes has been to five Super Bowls and

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Speaker 1: Manning to four, and Britty was collecting rings and those

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Speaker 1: are peers, right, It's just funny In Aaron, he replaces

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Speaker 1: Farv and we're like, oh my god, is he better

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Speaker 1: end up both being pretty to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: being pretty average in the playoffs despite a well run organization,

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Speaker 3: Aaron did not have a lot of great defenses in

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Tomlin Pittsburgh, and that defense is

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Speaker 1: at his playoff record and you're like, ah, he wanted

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Speaker 1: a great defense was the year he won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Rachel Nichols has been covering the NBA since the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports NBA analyst Rachel Nichols is now joining us

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's a lot to unpack.

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Speaker 1: I think I listened to three to four total podcasts

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Speaker 1: this morning last night. Like you, you cover this league regular,

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Speaker 1: so your feet on the ground. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: difference between sort of the active and the passive involvement

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Speaker 1: in these gambling operations. A lot of it's squawk talk

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Speaker 1: and a lot of its reality. What's the difference here?

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Speaker 6: You see, Well, there's two kind of categories of this, right,

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Speaker 6: So we know for sure that they're accusing Terry Rogier

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Speaker 6: throw his appearance in the game. He walked off the

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Speaker 6: court early, he told people bet the under, and they're

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Speaker 6: accusing him of sitting and counting the money gained from

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Speaker 6: this with his friend. A week later, Janta Porter has

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Speaker 6: already acknowledged he has played guilty to being active, to

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Speaker 6: throwing his participation in a game and getting the under bet,

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Speaker 6: and he is a waiting sentencing on that. And then

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Speaker 6: you have guys who it's not really clear.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: Chauncey Billups is named in both sides of this suit

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Speaker 6: as saying, oh, he told an associate that a bunch

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Speaker 6: You have to assume that his defense is going to be, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and I agree with you. The NBA has been around

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Speaker 7: That is a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the NBA did their own investigation on Johntay Porter

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Speaker 7: They can only do so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The Damon Jones stuff to me is because I don't

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Speaker 1: Damon was a well liked guy. I think I've talked

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Speaker 6: Well, the Damon one is the kind of thing that

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Speaker 6: Jones was very close to Lebron. I'm not saying at

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Speaker 7: To the federal.

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Speaker 7: So if that is indeed the case, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Chauncey Billups thing is just hard to wrap my

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Speaker 1: Uh. He I initially thought he was in the poker

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was naming the areas and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Do you think the league was caught off guard with

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Speaker 6: I was very shocked by it because John Cy is

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Speaker 7: Used to bet.

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Speaker 6: But this is going to continue to be a problem,

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Speaker 7: Just stops messing with this. But the NBA is in

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Speaker 6: Bit of a tough position, as are every sports league

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Speaker 7: In these betting companies.

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Speaker 6: The NBA was estimated to make around one hundred and

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Speaker 6: It has two official relationships and other relationships with fifteen

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Speaker 6: Right, you know this is a lopsided game, but I

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Speaker 7: So it's very hard to just walk away from all

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Speaker 7: What's going on here?

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Speaker 6: Yesterday we had several television networks across covering this, people

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Speaker 5: You and I.

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Speaker 7: And underneath on the ticker is go bet.

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Speaker 6: Right sports networks who have their own sports book. ESPN

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Speaker 6: So this is so ingrained and so available in a

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Speaker 6: And every single person involved with the NBA just has

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Speaker 7: Much different game.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, David Stern was really anti gambling. Adam

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this. They knew instantly. I mean

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Speaker 7: I cut off bedding for the rest of the night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do worry about Brian Windhorse said. The

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Speaker 1: of games. Was the NBA strong enough? Barkley talked about

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Speaker 1: they don't want to the margins are thin. They don't

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Speaker 6: Jones did, which was tech someone who is a known

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Speaker 6: gambling and associate and say, hey, bet the under because

441
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Speaker 6: or bet against the Lakers because Lebron isn't playing tonight.

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Speaker 6: I think players know that is against the rules. However,

443
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Speaker 6: there is a gray area, and this is hard to regulate,

444
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Speaker 6: and it's hard to even manage.

445
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Speaker 7: If you're a player, you tell a buddy.

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Speaker 6: Eh, I'm frustrated, I'm not playing tonight. That information is

447
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Speaker 6: not out there yet. That buddy doesn't work for the NBA.

448
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Speaker 6: He can go place bet or tell other people to

449
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Speaker 6: place a bet based on that information, and that's always

450
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Speaker 6: going to happen. And it becomes even more complicated once

451
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Speaker 6: we get into college basketball and college sports, because the

452
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Speaker 6: NCAA just a couple days ago said that its players

453
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Speaker 6: can now bet on professional sports in the sport that

454
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Speaker 6: they play. So what if you were a player who

455
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Speaker 6: is a junior or senior who has a buddy in

456
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Speaker 6: the NBA who was on your team, who was a

457
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Speaker 6: teammate just a year or two ago, who just in

458
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Speaker 6: a casual conversation says, eh, I can't play tonight. No

459
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Speaker 6: one knows that yet, but I can't play. Oh my

460
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Speaker 6: knees bothering me. Now that kid in college can go

461
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Speaker 6: bet on that inside information. This just gets very dangerous

462
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Speaker 6: and sticky, and it is difficult when you say, is

463
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Speaker 6: it the tip of the iceberg or is it an

464
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Speaker 6: ice cube? As you said earlier in the show, which

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Speaker 6: I think is.

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Speaker 7: A great analogy.

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Speaker 6: I think it might be an Iceberg only because there

468
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Speaker 6: are so many different places this could crop up, all

469
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Speaker 6: across the NBA, all across other sports, all across college

470
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Speaker 6: sports now, so I think we're going to see a

471
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Speaker 6: lot of different places for this to happen. And you

472
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Speaker 6: just have to hope again, as players see you can and.

473
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Speaker 7: Go to jail.

474
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Speaker 6: Your entire life can be ruined over this. It is

475
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Speaker 6: not worth it. And you get into the addiction side

476
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Speaker 6: of it too, which is override some people's judgment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.

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Speaker 1: By the way, an NBA player is liable, and they

479
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Speaker 1: have been told this. If they talk about an injury

480
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Speaker 1: to a non team employee, they are libel. They could

481
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Speaker 1: say it to a friend, you can't. So I mean

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Speaker 1: every NBA player in every room they walk into is

483
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Speaker 1: the biggest star, right, and people come up to them

484
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Speaker 1: and they just I mean, you almost have to hide

485
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Speaker 1: before a game and stay off your f I mean, really,

486
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Speaker 1: you really do as a player. So I do have

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Speaker 1: some sympathy there, Rachel Nichols, great stuff as always, on

488
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Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation, and we'll just we'll keep everybody updated.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Rach, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not Yeah, if you just say and

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Speaker 1: I thought about this. I was talking to Danny Parkins

492
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Speaker 1: about this on a pod last night, and he.

493
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Speaker 3: Kind of theorized.

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Speaker 1: He said, what if you couldn't bet unders, you could

495
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Speaker 1: only bet over. You can't bet this guy will score

496
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Speaker 1: less this guy. Look, if a guy scores more, it's

497
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Speaker 1: good for everybody, right, the player, the team, the guy.

498
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Speaker 1: But you can't bet unders. But I don't believe you

499
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Speaker 1: should eliminate prop bets because then it goes to the

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Speaker 1: unregulated market and it's not supervised. I want it supervised.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you know answers. Arno is easy with

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Speaker 1: this stuff. J Mack with the news, No, no.

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Speaker 3: No, turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 8: All right, kind of, let's start with Patrick Mahomes, one

506
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Speaker 8: of your favorite guys around the league, really cooking this year. Obviously,

507
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Speaker 8: he is a three times Super Bowl MVP. But do

508
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Speaker 8: you remember he started his college career at Texas Tech

509
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Speaker 8: under a guy.

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Speaker 7: Named Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 8: Well, the two of them will have a reunion on

512
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Speaker 8: Monday Night Football when the Chiefs host the Commanders. Mahomes

513
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Speaker 8: talked about how Kingsbury allowed him to play the game

514
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Speaker 8: his way.

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Speaker 9: He's one of the first people I would say that

516
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Speaker 9: truly believed to me in playing in the quarterback position.

517
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Speaker 9: And so he gave me a ton of advice of

518
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Speaker 9: of refining me but letting me still just be me

519
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Speaker 9: and play to my strengths. And so a great coach,

520
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Speaker 9: a great person that still stay in touch with, not

521
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Speaker 9: as much this week, but throughout throughout my career. And

522
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Speaker 9: he helped me get to where I'm at today because

523
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Speaker 9: he didn't put me in a box and tell me

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Speaker 9: I need to play quarterback this way. He let me

525
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Speaker 9: just go out there and be myself and be the

526
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Speaker 9: how I play the way they got me there, And

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Speaker 9: I think that's something that's special about him as a coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, very much like Andy Reid, Kingsbury was not

529
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Speaker 1: a great head coach college or NFL great mentor great

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Speaker 1: play designer, great play caller. We've talked about this before.

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Speaker 1: There is a skill to walk around and not be

532
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Speaker 1: on a headset. Most NFL coaches, college coaches, the elite

533
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Speaker 1: ones are walk around guys. They're not in a headset.

534
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Speaker 1: So Kingsbury is a really good football coach so far.

535
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Speaker 1: As a head coach, you and I have.

536
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Speaker 2: I'm pro Kingsbury.

537
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Speaker 3: Just for the record, No, I'm pro Kingsbury too.

538
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Speaker 1: He loved Jaden Daniels when we broke the story last

539
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Speaker 1: year before before the Jade and Daniels Drake May draft.

540
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Speaker 1: A month before the draft, I said, Washington's taking Jadan Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury was the one that went to Adam Peters the

542
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Speaker 1: GM and pounded the table and said that guy. We

543
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Speaker 1: can win a lot of games with that guy. And

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Speaker 1: he wasn't anti anybody else but Jayden Daniels was Cliff

545
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Speaker 1: Kingburry's favorite quarterback in the entire class, more than Caleb,

546
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Speaker 1: more than Drake, more than Pennix. So Kingsbury that's the

547
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Speaker 1: quarterback he wanted. And then last year you saw the results.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Just listening to Mahomes talk about Kingsbury, I feel like

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Speaker 8: in that scenario, I'm Mahomes in, You're Kingsbury back at

551
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Speaker 8: Texas Tech. You just tell me j Mack. I know

552
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Speaker 8: you're gonna do some crazy stuff, but you do you

553
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Speaker 8: plenty of your strengths and I like that As a coach.

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Speaker 8: I believe Colin Kingsbury will be interviewing for head coaching jobs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw.

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Speaker 1: You know, I he struggled in discipline. He is a

558
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Speaker 1: former athlete. Yeah, he didn't love discipline. He didn't necessarily

559
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Speaker 1: hold players as accountable.

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Speaker 8: We'll see what McDaniel in Miami too.

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Speaker 2: Right, some of.

562
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Speaker 1: These guys young coaches, Yeah, they just are not the

563
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: old school coaches can.

564
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: Bark and use volume and are.

565
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Speaker 1: Pretty punitive to players, and Andy Reid is can be rough. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 1: so it's I think some of these young coaches struggle

567
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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 8: So certainly let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens, the

569
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Speaker 8: biggest injury report everybody's waiting for today. You know, we'll

570
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Speaker 8: see what happens with Lamar Jackson. But Kyle Hamilton, who

571
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Speaker 8: has missed a lot of time this season, he's getting

572
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Speaker 8: back in the fold, which is great news. Hamilton knows

573
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Speaker 8: they need to approach the season one game at a

574
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Speaker 8: time to climb out of this one in five hole.

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Speaker 2: You can't ignore the past.

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Speaker 10: But you know, we're forward thinking at this point, kind

577
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Speaker 10: of have to be, and every game force is a

578
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Speaker 10: playoff game. That's how it feels and how it's gonna

579
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Speaker 10: have to be from here on out. Tug ourselves in

580
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Speaker 10: a deepot. But in order to get in the dance,

581
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Speaker 10: we got to really be locked in from here on out.

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Speaker 10: So we're trying to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Ravens, and we've said this about Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: he unless you see him regularly, he is a lot

585
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Speaker 1: to face without seeing him multiple times. I can remember

586
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Speaker 1: his rookie year the Chargers faced him the first time

587
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Speaker 1: and just didn't know what to do, and then the

588
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Speaker 1: second time they had a little bit better beat on him.

589
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Speaker 1: So like Kansas City has seen him so many times,

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Speaker 1: Bags have seen him so many times. They know what

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Speaker 1: he can do and know what he can't. They know

592
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Speaker 1: his tells. So this is a rough ass for Chicago

593
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Speaker 1: new defensive staff going to Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: This is the one game on the board. I feel

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Speaker 3: very strongly.

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Speaker 1: I think Baltimore wins, and from the very beginning feels

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Speaker 1: like the team that's in control of this game.

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Speaker 8: You could get Baltimore plus one ten to make the

599
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Speaker 8: playoffs plus money.

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Speaker 3: I did take that. I think they're going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: My thing to watch though, in this one's not necessarily

602
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Speaker 8: Baltimore Collins Caleb Williams, so he's had the run game

603
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Speaker 8: recently and he's been serviceable. What happens if the Ravens

604
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Speaker 8: are able to take that away and Caleb has to

605
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Speaker 8: win this with his arm. Do you think he's possible

606
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Speaker 8: He's capable of doing that on this rows.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Caleb stuff is obvious.

608
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Speaker 1: He has struggled with accuracy in the last couple starts

609
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Speaker 1: and last three starts he's completing under sixty percent.

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Speaker 3: It is hard.

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Speaker 1: In order to win games like that, you have to

612
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Speaker 1: play bad teams or your defense has to take the

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Speaker 1: ball away. And in both instances that's what happened. They've

614
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Speaker 1: played Chicago's beatn kind of bad teams and they've taken

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Speaker 1: the ball away. But good teams and great quarterbacks don't

616
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Speaker 1: give you the ball. So I think this is a

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Speaker 1: tough spot for Chicago.

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Speaker 2: My final story is to the NBA.

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Speaker 8: Last night, Colin, listen, we go call him the free

620
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Speaker 8: throw merchant for nothing. SGA dropped fifty five on the

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Speaker 8: Pacers in a double overtime thriller. They did not cover

622
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Speaker 8: the spread for what it's worth. Interestingly, though, Colin, it's

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Speaker 8: only two games GA has attempted forty free throws. Now

624
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Speaker 8: both of their games have gone double overtime. Colin forty

625
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Speaker 8: three throws in the first two games as an NBA

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Speaker 8: record for the free throw Merchant. Here's SGA afterward talking

627
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Speaker 8: about the free throws.

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Speaker 5: It's a good way to like break dice on the season,

629
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Speaker 5: shake the rest off, kind of like bust the lungs out,

630
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Speaker 5: like get my cardio back. So yeah, it's that ideal.

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Speaker 5: Four extra overtimes in two games, but we'll take it.

632
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Speaker 5: Two w's. And then also understanding like the beginning of

633
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Speaker 5: the season is just as important as the end of

634
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Speaker 5: the season. The difference in home court advantage in the

635
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Speaker 5: playoffs could be one game in one win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I remember in the playoffs, you do

637
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: not get the whistle. In the regular season, the NBA

638
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: lets the guys play, and then in the postseason they

639
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Speaker 1: clamp down. So as she is going to get to

640
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Speaker 1: the free throw line like Carl Malone did and James

641
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Harden did, can't breathe on him.

642
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Speaker 8: Cannot breathe on SGA when it matters most Colin Well,

643
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Speaker 8: I give him room to operate. I don't know why,

644
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Speaker 8: but they feel the need, Like you know, SGA, the

645
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Speaker 8: free throw Merchant. It's not going to stop, folks, It's

646
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Speaker 8: not our number from our Steph Cohen, thirty six percent

647
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 8: of his points this season have come from the free

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Speaker 8: throw line.

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Speaker 3: If this continues, it's a bad look. If you think

650
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Speaker 3: the gambling's a bad look for the mea, this.

651
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Speaker 8: Is a bad look when all he does is just shoot.

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Speaker 2: Twenty free throws a game like stack.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Thunder won last year on average by thirteen

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Speaker 1: points a game. Yep, you know there's their games this

655
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Speaker 1: year look closer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean so if you ask a lot of a

658
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Speaker 1: team to play so many games, so many intense games,

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Speaker 1: they come back off seasons are shorter because everybody's got

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Speaker 1: endorsements and everybody's they're feeling it. So I don't think, okay,

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Speaker 1: see repeats. I just think they're really good. But I

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Speaker 1: but I think we have a pattern.

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Speaker 3: In the NBA.

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Speaker 1: I mean, two's a trend, seven years in a row.

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Speaker 1: Different And I think keep your eye in Minnesota, Denver,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Lakers. No.

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Speaker 3: J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Well, Game one of the World Series tonight, I think

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Speaker 1: it goes six. I'll take the Dodgers. They've been really

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Speaker 1: good in game ones the last couple of seasons six

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Speaker 1: and zero.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You know, I was thinking about this, think

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Speaker 1: about the challenges of running a business. So the NBA

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Speaker 1: just signed an eleven billion dollar TV deal with NBC.

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Speaker 1: I've liked their early coverage. Amazon and the incumbent is

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Speaker 1: ESPN and ABC. That's a very, very good business. Just

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Speaker 1: think about the challenges that Adam Silver right now has

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Speaker 1: either created or is facing a gambling scandal. All the

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Speaker 1: stars at the top of the league are international and

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Speaker 1: not very dynamic personality wise. And there's no dynasties now

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Speaker 1: because of the multiple aprons, you can't stack great players. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, two many threes. You got four current

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Speaker 1: things that the NBA is facing now. I think it

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Speaker 1: will overcome all of them because a they already got

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Speaker 1: their money. It's up to the networks to make a profit.

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Speaker 1: NBC is not going to profit. NBC is going to

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Speaker 1: lose hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe a billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: ESPN will be fine. They're the incumbent and Amazon prints money.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is it just goes to show you

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Speaker 1: if you don't have the stomach for business, then just

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Speaker 1: be an employee at a company, because it's like Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Like Amazon's an amazing company. They are fighting lawsuits, fighting

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Speaker 1: off competitors every day. Most Americans, most people don't have

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Speaker 1: the stomach for business. I mean, the NBA now has

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Speaker 1: a LaCOSA. Most are a gambling scandal. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just ridiculous to have your name linked with an Italian mob,

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Speaker 1: whether you are or not, just in the same sentence,

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Speaker 1: it's nauseating. If you're Adam Silver. It's an international star

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Speaker 1: driven league. The top five players the last You haven't

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Speaker 1: had a domestic MVP for like six seven years, like

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Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen. People are complaining there's too many threes,

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Speaker 1: the aesthetics aren't good, and you know, no dynasties. Seven

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Speaker 1: years seven champs. People like dynasties. And let me give

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Speaker 1: you an example. Let me pivot to this Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: They've got a dynasty. Probably in about a week and

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Speaker 1: a half. The Dodgers. Ratings are up, attendance is up.

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Speaker 1: So baseball had all these problems years ago. The game

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Speaker 1: was too slow, you know it was. It was paralyzed

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Speaker 1: by heave your way to play the game, no shelelebrations,

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Speaker 1: and Rob Manfred, to his credit, kept making changes. Bigger bases,

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Speaker 1: man on second, regular season extra innings, no defensive shift,

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Speaker 1: pitch clock, and all the.

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Speaker 3: Traditionalists pushed back. They've all worked.

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Speaker 1: I watch more baseball the last two years than they

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Speaker 1: did the previous fifteen. The game moves much more quickly,

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Speaker 1: So Dave Roberts, you know on the cries and the

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Speaker 1: shoes that the sport now is too lobsided and the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are bad for baseball.

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Speaker 11: Baseball viewership is at an all time high. Baseball players

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Speaker 11: are better than they've ever been. We're going to have

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Speaker 11: more eyeballs watching this World Series than ever because of

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Speaker 11: the country of Canada, US and Japan and beyond. Right,

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Speaker 11: So obviously the Dodgers are not rooted baseball. It's in

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Speaker 11: a great state. And I was just kind of taking

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Speaker 11: a dig at these crazy people that say that what

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Speaker 11: we do, and I think we do it really well,

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Speaker 11: we're ruining baseball.

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Speaker 2: So that was my little dig and it.

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Speaker 1: Was appropriate, and it's funny because the Dodgers aren't ruining baseball.

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Speaker 3: Look at their road attendance. It leads baseball.

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Speaker 1: When the Yankees were stacked, the Yankees led baseball in

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Speaker 1: road attendants. And by the way, when the Yankees went

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Speaker 1: on the road, and when the Dodgers go on the road,

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Speaker 1: teams jack their prices up so they charge you more

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Speaker 1: to go see Otani and Derek Jeter and a rod

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Speaker 1: in their prime. So the audience follow the marketplace, not

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Speaker 1: the internet. People call talk radio pre internet. You know,

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Speaker 1: they talk radio and they write letters to the editor

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Speaker 1: and they're all angry. Don't listen to that noise. Watch

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Speaker 1: the marketplace. Ratings up, attendants up, prices up, revenue up.

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Speaker 1: Baseball is good. I mean, just think about this. It's

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Speaker 1: just hard to run a big business. Adam Silver's finding

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Speaker 1: it out. Rob Manfred knows Google has faced over one

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Speaker 1: hundred antitrust lawsuits since it was created. I remember talking

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Speaker 1: to Mark Cuban years ago about this. He's like, I've

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Speaker 1: got lawyers on retainer for the most ridiculous things ever.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yesterday it was funny. Yesterday I go to

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Speaker 1: the gym. Hey, I gotta throw weight around, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, just throw iron around.

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Speaker 3: That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: And in like a two minutes, as I'm adding a

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Speaker 1: member to my membership, in two minutes, they had like

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Speaker 1: four fires.

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Speaker 3: It was somebody's locked out of this room. I can't

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Speaker 3: open my locker.

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Speaker 1: They got a phone call and alarm went off, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Out club for two minutes.

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Speaker 1: The front desk lady is literally putting out fires in

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Speaker 1: the two minutes.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to her.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like, you got to be able to

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Speaker 1: handle crisis. And so the NBA right now, it's got

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Speaker 1: a crisis. Google's got one every day, every single day.

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Speaker 1: Be an employee, don't be an entrepreneur if you don't

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Speaker 1: have the stomach for it, because you could be Mark

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Speaker 1: Cuban or Elon Musk. I was told a year ago

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk his business was capsizing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It seems like Tesla's stocks don't okay to me. Seems

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Speaker 1: like he's doing finding up. What is it this week?

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Speaker 1: All the stocks seem like the big players are up.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just I look at baseball. They've got a dynasty,

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Speaker 1: they're on fire. The NBA could probably use one now.

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Speaker 1: They got a betting scandal, they'll be five. I thought

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Speaker 1: one of the interesting things when I had Dave roberts On, I.

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Speaker 3: Said, you know, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the Mariners have Cal Rawley and Julio Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: at the top of the order, and for years and

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Speaker 1: years you would have those guys the big sticks batt

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Speaker 1: in three, four and five.

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Speaker 3: And I asked him about you know, O Tawny.

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Speaker 1: You know, you think with his power he would be

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Speaker 1: like clean up up hitter, but now he's a lead

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Speaker 1: off guy.

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Speaker 3: And he addressed that when.

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Speaker 11: I was growing up as you were, same time period

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Speaker 11: showhy would be hitting you know, three or four. But

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Speaker 11: I think that the way that understated that you want

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Speaker 11: to get your best hitters as many at bats as possible.

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Speaker 11: That's how you win baseball games. That's the way the

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Speaker 11: game has evolved. And I do think that you got

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Speaker 11: to kind of appreciate that. And so I just don't

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Speaker 11: want to be beholden to one lineup. I think our

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Speaker 11: guys have evolved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what I know.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers are not a crisis for baseball. It's a

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Speaker 1: golden ticket, get one now. They are not a crisis

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Speaker 1: nor were Shaq and Kobe, Katie Steph and Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 1: There was a sense of unfairness. Sports isn't fair. Serena

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Speaker 1: was just more talented, right. It's like the Russians forever

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Speaker 1: had had basically professionals playing in the Olympic and crushing everybody.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for fairness, it just doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I tell my kids sometimes I just love

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Speaker 1: her more than to him.

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Speaker 3: Now you gonna have to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm building metal and moxie for my children. Our three

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Speaker 1: is around the corner. Albert breerstops by Game one of

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Speaker 1: the World Series tonight.

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Speaker 3: I don't know they say.

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Speaker 1: They say Roger Center, Toronto, loudest place in the sport.

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Speaker 1: That's what they say. Dodgers will find out tonight