WEBVTT - BREAKING: Alex Murdaugh's Double Murder Convictions OVERTURNED

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Wednesday, May thirteenth, and the

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<v Speaker 1>double murder conviction of Alec's murder has been thrown out

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<v Speaker 1>by the State Supreme Court of South Carolina. With that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a breaking story just getting this news rope. Not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how many saw this one necessarily coming, but how many

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<v Speaker 1>days a week did we have to cover this story

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<v Speaker 1>back at GMA when this was happening in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, when the murders happened in twenty twenty one. This

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<v Speaker 2>captivated the nation because this wasn't look this is a

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<v Speaker 2>tragic situation in any community when a mother and her

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<v Speaker 2>son are murdered, but when the suspected gunman is the

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<v Speaker 2>father and husband of those two, and then have it

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<v Speaker 2>be a well respected, powerful family that was at the

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<v Speaker 2>pinnacle of law enforcement for decades. Yeah, this had all

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<v Speaker 2>the makings of a unbelievable, unthinkable crime story.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one. This was a family, Yes, Alex Murda

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<v Speaker 1>and the Murda family. This had all the makings of

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<v Speaker 1>really a family and a legacy you only really see

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<v Speaker 1>fantasized in movies or on TV shows, But they really

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<v Speaker 1>exist and this is what that family was in that area,

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<v Speaker 1>small community. They were judges, lawyers, they just it's a legacy,

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<v Speaker 1>generational family there and they were the ones at the

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<v Speaker 1>center of this. So, yeah, Ropes, this was a story.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the murders happened in twenty twenty one, but

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<v Speaker 1>arrests didn't come until a year later. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>a year of people following this case and then following

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<v Speaker 1>the trial. And now you're telling me, after all that

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<v Speaker 1>we watched for a couple of years, the damn convictions

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<v Speaker 1>have been thrown out. Now we should make clear here

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<v Speaker 1>that does not mean Alex Murda is walking out of

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<v Speaker 1>jail today.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no no, because part of all

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<v Speaker 2>of this legal saga was the fact that Alex Murdau

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<v Speaker 2>had been charged with financial crimes of significant proportions to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where he has forty years I believe for

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<v Speaker 2>the federal charges and twenty seven years for the state

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<v Speaker 2>charges for whatever that is, which one is, which the

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<v Speaker 2>point being he's going or he is going to stay

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<v Speaker 2>behind bars almost certainly for the rest of his life,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of this double murder conviction being overturned.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I don't know where he's fifty seven, he said, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so fifty seven, I don't know where any type of

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<v Speaker 1>parole or chance to get out with those other convictions,

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<v Speaker 1>But the double murder convictions were the ones that were

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep him for sure in jail for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of his life. Ro This is significant, a significant

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<v Speaker 1>legal win. It has to be for him and his

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<v Speaker 1>legal team, even if he's not walking out of jail.

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<v Speaker 1>But the South Carolina Supreme Court overturned these double murder

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<v Speaker 1>of this guy who was convicted of murdering, Yes, his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and his twenty two year old son. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>how many justices is five and five? There was unanimous,

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<v Speaker 1>so they unanimously agreed that yes, in fact, he should

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<v Speaker 1>have those convictions overturned. He should get a new trial. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy ropes I actually I haven't followed that much

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<v Speaker 1>since the conviction, but he has continued from the jump

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<v Speaker 1>and even after conviction as we sit here, still claims

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<v Speaker 1>his innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>He says he is an innocent man. He says he

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<v Speaker 3>would never, could, never harm his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>And his son, and has pleaded with the jury, with

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<v Speaker 2>the judge to say, please hear me. During his sentencing

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<v Speaker 2>he pleaded for his life and insisted upon his innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is not what this case. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>this overturning of these convictions has. It has nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with any presumed guilt or innocence. It has everything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with how jury the Supreme Court has now ruled,

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<v Speaker 2>was tampered with or wrongfully influenced.

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<v Speaker 1>And that sounds when you say tampered, that is a

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<v Speaker 1>really big word, right, jury tampering. But that is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>what we are talking about. So you hear a case

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<v Speaker 1>Robes that's been so carefully examined, so scrutinized, yes, in media,

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<v Speaker 1>but also by a bunch of lawyers, any podcasts, and

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<v Speaker 1>this thing has been covered inside and out. So you

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<v Speaker 1>think of all these reasons, So why and you hear

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<v Speaker 1>even jury tampering. Somebody's messing with the jury. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where this one was going, and I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>following it closely enough. But yes, somebody and not maybe

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<v Speaker 1>who you would think is accused of messing with this jury. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have assumed if someone gave improper jury instructions

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<v Speaker 2>or unduly influenced the jury, it would have been the

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<v Speaker 2>judge or an attorney, but I wouldn't never have considered

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<v Speaker 2>the court clerk. But that is the person who is

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<v Speaker 2>now officially, I guess, responsible for improperly influencing this jury

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Supreme Court. And yes, that clerk is

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why Alex Murdaw is getting a new trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's be clear here, folks, we hear clerk all

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<v Speaker 1>the time when it comes to courtrooms and sometimes don't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly understand what these folks do. But this person, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like, certainly by what we know of court clerks.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the descriptions they gave of her responsibilities, she

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<v Speaker 1>had the ability robes and she might have had more

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<v Speaker 1>influence and more interaction with this jury than anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>because as the court clerk she served during this trial

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<v Speaker 1>as the person who essentially handled all of the paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>she handled, she was kind of a liaison to the

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<v Speaker 1>jury is one way to even describe it. She was

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<v Speaker 1>there person, She was kind of their go to as

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<v Speaker 1>the court clerk, so she handled a lot of logistics

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<v Speaker 1>moving them around. So she had a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of influence with these folks. But why robes,

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<v Speaker 1>Even if she does, why does she have a dog

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<v Speaker 1>in the fight, and why would she want to influence

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<v Speaker 1>the jury one way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she had a book to sell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it all comes down to the same shit. Does

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<v Speaker 1>it money?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yes she according to all accounts, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court agreed. She suggested that Alex Murdau's own testimony

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<v Speaker 2>could not be trusted. And yes, she was co authoring

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<v Speaker 2>a book that was set to be released, So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she had skin in the game, so to speak, which

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<v Speaker 2>I actually am surprised that the clerk of court would

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<v Speaker 2>be allowed in any way, shape or form to profit

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<v Speaker 2>off of a story and certainly a trial that she

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<v Speaker 2>had absolute influence already over like to me, that is

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<v Speaker 2>all almost tempting Fate's that's it's a tough situation to

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<v Speaker 2>allow someone who has a legal and a professional duty

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<v Speaker 2>to uphold the law on one hand, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to prom to allow that employee to

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<v Speaker 2>profit off of a court case that seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>mess in the making.

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<v Speaker 1>They said she was. She's kind of just dropping hints

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<v Speaker 1>about his guilt. She just keeps saying things in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>putting things in their air. And the jury had to

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<v Speaker 1>at some point afterwards they were questioned about this, so

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<v Speaker 1>they explained what she did, but Roll just saying like

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<v Speaker 1>watch his body language, or he can't be trusted, or

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<v Speaker 1>he looks shifty, or the little things putting influence to

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<v Speaker 1>taint this jury against this guy. Was that necessary? First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, she could have probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Let the evidence speak for itself.

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<v Speaker 1>But what a shame, I mean that personal profit right

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<v Speaker 1>it has thrown out. How much money was wasted trying

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. You got to do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting you say that because in the Supreme Court's

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<v Speaker 2>decision they acknowledge that.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was so.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting the wording that they used in making this fairly

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<v Speaker 2>shocking decision. Today, but they say, our justice system provides

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<v Speaker 2>demands that every person is entitled to a fair trial,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, which includes an impartial jury, untainted by external

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<v Speaker 2>forces bent on influencing the jury toward a biased verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>Although we are aware of the time, money and effort

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<v Speaker 2>expended for this lengthy trial, we have no choice but

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<v Speaker 2>to reverse the denial of Murdo's motion for a new

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<v Speaker 2>trial due to hills improper external influences on the jury,

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<v Speaker 2>and remand for a new trial.

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<v Speaker 3>So they even said, like, hey, begrudgingly. We have to.

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<v Speaker 3>We are forced to overturn these convictions.

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<v Speaker 1>That's every once in a while. Don't get to say

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<v Speaker 1>this a lot. Something gives you faith in the justice system.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to cost all of us more money.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to excuse me, South Carolina particular taxpayers

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more money to do this again because one

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<v Speaker 1>person decided to do what this clerk did and Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth it for this man who already has got

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<v Speaker 1>forty year conviction in the twenty seven year conviction for

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<v Speaker 1>financial crimes, it's still worth it to make sure he

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<v Speaker 1>gets a fair trial. Robes. It's exhausting sometimes, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fair trial. That's something about it that gives

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<v Speaker 1>you faith in the justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I hear what you're saying, but I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>for every person involved, from the prosecutor to of course

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<v Speaker 2>the surviving family members. Again, know what shambles this family

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<v Speaker 2>must be in.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine there is a surviving son. He has

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<v Speaker 2>some legal issues of his own. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>to have to go through this again, to live through

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<v Speaker 2>this again, the people who loved members of this family,

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<v Speaker 2>who have suffered unimaginable losses to finally feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's behind bars. He's staying behind bars, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the silver lining for folks who feel emotionally upended

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<v Speaker 2>by all of this. At least he is not getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of prison. He is going to remain behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>As prosecutors and they say this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a speedy recovery. They claim they are going to pursue,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to retry him again, and they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to waste time doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's that we got to do this all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But rope, So for that, I'm not sure exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>this goes. And you know what, even if he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the other financial crimes, I think we've seen stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like this before. Even if they had overturned it, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he would have been walking out of prison now.

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<v Speaker 3>I highly doubt that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, given his and look, he had incredible means, he

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<v Speaker 2>had incredible power. So in terms of being a flight risk, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yes, if the financial crimes weren't there, weren't

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<v Speaker 2>keeping him behind bars, I have a hard time believing

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<v Speaker 2>he would be let out while they get their ducks

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<v Speaker 2>in a row to retry him.

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<v Speaker 1>But still now Robes, he's got I assume appeals going

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<v Speaker 1>on those other convictions. We don't know when he might

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<v Speaker 1>be eligible for parole, eligible to get out, or if

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<v Speaker 1>one of his convictions gets overturned or an appeal that's successful.

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<v Speaker 1>You couple that, now, Robes with the possibility of having

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<v Speaker 1>to go through a whole new trial. Yeah, where you

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<v Speaker 1>throw your hands up, Robes, Who knows what could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say, what if the jury finds

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<v Speaker 2>him not guilty. Look, the reality is there were no

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses to this crime, and he says he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, this was in a remote area. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was their hunting property where his wife. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>we should mention his the victim's Maggie. She goes by,

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<v Speaker 2>But Margaret Murdaw Maggie is how she went by. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Paul Murdau, who was just twenty two years old.

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<v Speaker 2>No one wants to think a father is capable of

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<v Speaker 2>killing his own son, and yes, his wife, we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>that before plenty. But the allegation was the motive was

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<v Speaker 2>that he was trying to garner pity from the community

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<v Speaker 2>because he was being looked into and was potentially being

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<v Speaker 2>charged with financial crimes, and so he was trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To distract, deflect, get pity.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like a really hard motive to get my

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<v Speaker 2>head around, but the prosecution proved it to a jury

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<v Speaker 2>of his peers beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>I said that to you as we were getting caught

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<v Speaker 1>up again. I'm like, wow, I don't remember that being

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<v Speaker 1>the motive, because it's such a it's hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to help my reputation, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to kill these two people. I love, one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a son of mine that is robes hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>you hat around.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hard to get your head around.

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<v Speaker 2>And then just the entire story itself, we were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to remember because it.

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<v Speaker 3>Has so many legs. His son Paul, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Was murdered, he had an issue that created some of

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation into his finances. I mean, this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>is just a complicated web of deceit and certainly legal wrangling,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just been an overwhelming story to try and

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<v Speaker 2>cover and get through.

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<v Speaker 3>So finally they had put this all to bed, and

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<v Speaker 3>now it's all bubbling up again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bubbling up, but we've been mentioning at least the

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<v Speaker 1>clerk and why that was addressed by the court. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is another reason they cited as to why maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Murda needed to get a new trial. Stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, folks, we continue here on Amy and DJ

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<v Speaker 1>at Breaking News episode. Here were just came down a

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<v Speaker 1>short time ago before we hit the record button. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Murda is getting a new trial in South Carolina. Met

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<v Speaker 1>some of these trials ropes, they get some of the

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<v Speaker 1>same words. It was a case that captivated the country.

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<v Speaker 1>It gripped the country. This was one of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And look, their murders came right when we were

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of her so kind of in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was so much focus on this story.

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<v Speaker 2>This was something that people almost watching sadly as entertainment,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's become that Netflix series have come out of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is something that people have actually been

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<v Speaker 2>consuming and just watching. But because it seems so unthinkable,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems so crazy that someone would be capable, who

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<v Speaker 2>had the means and the family and the power, why

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<v Speaker 2>would you do what he was convicted of doing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Well, at this point. He is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>Robes as of today a convicted double murderer, because the

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<v Speaker 1>state Supreme Court there has thrown out his double murder

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<v Speaker 1>conviction has been overturned in ordered that he should get

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<v Speaker 1>a new trial. We've been talking a lot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we say your name Becky Hill?

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<v Speaker 3>Is her name Becky?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we even said her name, but

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<v Speaker 2>Rebecca Hill goes by Becky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she is the clerk we've been talking about. She

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<v Speaker 1>is the one. I guess the centerpiece Robes really of

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<v Speaker 1>why they say the conviction should be overturned, But they

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<v Speaker 1>also mentioned it. I wonder, Robes, even if the clerk

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't involved, did they have another good reason to overturn

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<v Speaker 1>because they talked about a lot of his financial issues

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<v Speaker 1>and his financial crimes that were used as evidence against

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<v Speaker 1>him in the murder trial should not have come up.

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<v Speaker 1>Had nothing to do with this trial, and these judges

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<v Speaker 1>said it was improper for the judge to allow that

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to be presented. Jury didn't need to hear anything

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Got nothing to do with nothing when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to who shot these two people. So I wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you didn't have the clerk was that bar

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<v Speaker 1>high enough well overturn and possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what that means is that most likely

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<v Speaker 2>won't now be in this new trial, and will that

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<v Speaker 2>have an impact on what the jury decides.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn At this point Robes, everybody's heard about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was just going to say, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>now a further complication that there's almost I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>you could find a jury of twelve who didn't already

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<v Speaker 2>know about this case, didn't already have preconceived notions about

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<v Speaker 2>this case, didn't even potentially follow this case. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where they find a jury. I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to take the oath as a juror

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<v Speaker 2>that you can suspend maybe even prior beliefs or prior

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge about what you think happened, and sit there with

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<v Speaker 2>an open mind and an open heart and listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the testimony as if this is all new information to you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a tall order.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, That's what somebody now is going to have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see a timeline at all on the retrial?

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<v Speaker 2>Only only only by the fact that they said that

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<v Speaker 2>they are going to quickly get this back on the

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<v Speaker 2>court dockets and they want this to happen sooner rather

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<v Speaker 2>than later, So you can only imagine that this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen. I don't know what soon is though,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to courts and our legal system, because

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<v Speaker 2>that can mean very different things to different jurisdictions.

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<v Speaker 3>Different It just depends on so many things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they can decide just the court's

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<v Speaker 2>schedule dictate when they can retry this and when they can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this get priority over other cases? It might already

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<v Speaker 2>have trial dates. I don't know the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, folks, so yes, not a lot of answers now,

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<v Speaker 1>but Eric, excuse me. Alex Murda got the response. At

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<v Speaker 1>least he wonner from the state court. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>a big headline today that one of the biggest court cases,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest murder trials we've seen in this

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<v Speaker 1>country in the past decade. Certainly, now that trial didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really happen, then that conviction has been tossed and Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Murda is going to get a new trial. Just want

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<v Speaker 1>to hop on and give be that breaking news update.

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<v Speaker 1>But we always appreciate you spending some time with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I am TJ. Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Robock.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk to Elson