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Speaker 1: Tyrone's jenss Hey boo, it's me Roz. I had on

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Speaker 1: the show today Jen Kirkman, who is a writer comedian.

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Speaker 1: If you watch the show Chelsea Lately, she was on

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Speaker 1: as you'll hear in this conversation, it's like, does she

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Speaker 1: For being here. I was actually just thinking, like around

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Speaker 3: I am thanks for asking, Oh my god, I'm doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's called the Jen Kirkman Dysfunctional Christmas Show. And I yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's on If people go to my website

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Speaker 1: See, Okay, Now, I talked to so many people that

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Speaker 3: It was and it was, honestly, it was so scientific

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know something to it.

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Speaker 3: I just don't ever think when people are like I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the people that have that one ghost story

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Speaker 1: You know, there's people like me that want to believe

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Speaker 1: What about if somebody tells you a story, Oh, they

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Speaker 3: I go it honestly doesn't increase my ability to believe it.

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Speaker 3: You know, whatever, you know, if it turns out there

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Speaker 3: even people who never met and never knew. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: What do you mean just that they're not why are

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Speaker 1: And well, I know that's what I've I'm constantly honestly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I know one thing my aunt Kathy. You know, I'm

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Speaker 3: but I saw a butterfly today and we don't have

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Speaker 1: What are the rules? Like when you die, we don't

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Speaker 2: Well I think that's so funny.

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Speaker 3: You make such a good point where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just want lights out because I'm I'm afraid I'll

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Speaker 3: And I think that it's like it's hard to you know,

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Speaker 2: But nothing bad.

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Speaker 3: But in la if I ever feel an energy, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just it was I don't know any other way

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Speaker 1: Well, I always think that in places like that, and

436
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: you know England and you just places that have old ghosts,

437
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I think that they're they're they've been doing the job

438
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: for a long time and they've got it figured out.

439
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: Like I think ghosts here are younger and they're hotter,

440
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: they're hot, they've got abs and they want to be

441
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: seen and they don't know how to do it yet.

442
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: But then like ghosts and places that they've been ghosts

443
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: for three hundred years, they're just like, yeah, we're here,

444
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Like it's fine.

445
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just living on my very beetle juice, Like

446
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: we're just living with you in the attic, you know, and.

447
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: Right whereas here they want followers.

448
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, they're like almost cult leaders. I just remember

449
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: growing up like it was very much.

450
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: We talked about ghosts. My family were like, this house

451
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: is haunted.

452
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: There's ghosts.

453
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: My parents were like that, They're like, there's also aliens.

454
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: You know, this is nothing was off the table. So yeah,

455
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: and so that's all we talked about. My dad especially,

456
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: is really into this stuff.

457
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, did they have experiences, like are

458
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: they from Massachusetts?

459
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but they're I mean again, it's like

460
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: I hear their stories and I'm like mm hmm, it

461
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: just didn't sound real to me. But my dad is

462
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: more like he he claims he saw the piano playing

463
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: by itself in the house.

464
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: I grew up in.

465
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: Oh God, And I'm like, come on, I mean, what

466
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: am I gonna? All right?

467
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: But I've just known that since I was like three,

468
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: you know, and I do remember that. You know, they

469
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: were my sisters are older than me, and they were

470
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: gone and out of the house, you know, out in college,

471
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: out in life by the time I was eight, So

472
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: I was kind of an only child most of my childhood,

473
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: and I was in no rush for my parents to

474
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: you know. I wasn't one of those people that was like, God,

475
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: I hope my parents go out for the night so.

476
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: I can be home alone. You know. I was actually

477
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: kind of scared at my house.

478
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: And I wasn't like yeah, when they would be out

479
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: at night and leaving me home alone.

480
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: I mean I was old.

481
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: I was like twelve or thirteen, and I was like,

482
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: I would get scared, like I always wanted my back

483
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: up against something, like sometimes I wouldn't move for hours

484
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: because I just felt like it was haunted. My grandmother,

485
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: my mom's mom, really into ghosts, into everything everything, and

486
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: she claimed that a ghost pushed her in our bathroom.

487
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: And she wasn't like this.

488
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: I mean, she was an old lady, but she didn't

489
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: have like a fall or a dizzy spell. She was

490
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: like I got pushed, and I'm like, are these people

491
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: attracting this shit?

492
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: Because nothing like things happen like you know those.

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: We had like those shades in our house that were

494
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: like rolling you pull them down like on the windows,

495
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: and they would flip up and like you know.

496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those are made for haunted houses because they

497
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: can just go right.

498
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: Up out of the blue.

499
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: That would happen, or lights would flicker. There was always something,

500
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: but you can always explain it away. You know, a

501
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: door opens for no reason. We had that three times

502
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: a week. It was just you know, thereo'se certain parts

503
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: of the house where there'd be like this weird cold

504
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: chill for no reason. We'd be like, oh, that's like

505
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: the haunted part of the stairs. They're always and you know,

506
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: every year at Christmas was a very ghosty time for me,

507
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: Like I always felt really tapped in during Christmas season,

508
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: and you know, we'd put those fake candles in the

509
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: window and the room where my sister saw the ghost,

510
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 3: which I don't believe. I do think that room was haunted.

511
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: I just also think she'd I think both things are true.

512
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what you believe. I'm so confused.

513
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm so confused too.

514
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: You think of the room'sted, but you don't believe it goes.

515
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's fun to listen too, though.

516
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's some weird energy in there. I

517
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: think there's some like energies trapped, you know.

518
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Uh, huh.

519
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: But I don't think it would ever be manifested in

520
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: seeing it as a ghost, Okay, and I just don't.

521
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

522
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: But in that room, for some reason, you know, we

523
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: would I always remember, we'd like go somewhere and then

524
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: come home at night and the candle would be off

525
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: in that room. We could see it from the street

526
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: and my mom would go back in and it wasn't

527
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: a thing with the light socket. She would twist the

528
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: candle and it would go back on. It was almost

529
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: as though somebody had untwisted it, you know with those

530
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: little electric plug in like Christmas.

531
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: Candles you put in the windows.

532
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: And this is like way before battery powered ones. So

533
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: and there'd always be that window was always foggy, you know.

534
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: It was always like had this like moist.

535
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Like someone was breathing on it.

536
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it would have to be like forty people

537
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: breathing on Like the whole window was always that that

538
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: you could like write in it like a foggy window

539
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: on the morning on your car.

540
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: You know. It always had this wet quality to it.

541
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: So it was something was weird. But you know, they

542
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: don't have any of that now. My parents still live there.

543
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Really maybe the ghosts were like, uh, attracted to you,

544
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: or maybe once you left they stopped.

545
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Well that was that was something that.

546
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: Let me put this out to you, so that that

547
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 3: whole sleep paralysis thing that I had, Like my family

548
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: is you know, they're lovely, but uh dysfunctional, right, and

549
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: there was so much like just emotional chaos and drama

550
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: in my home.

551
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: Also very loving. No one was beating anyone, no one

552
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: had drug issues.

553
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: But my parents are just I mean now they're they're

554
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: just like the Costanzas, you know what I mean on Seinfeld,

555
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: like just yell.

556
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Everything is yelling.

557
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: There's no reaction to anything that isn't utter hysteria and yelling,

558
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: and like there's no sense of there was a sense

559
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: of like being strict, like you're not allowed to do this,

560
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to do that.

561
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: But there was no sense of like these people know

562
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: what they're doing.

563
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look to them for the answers in life,

564
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: you know, none of them.

565
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Everything to them was like hysterical reaction.

566
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: And so I think like that kind of energy in

567
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: the house can feel haunted, like it's bad energy.

568
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 2: There's something to that.

569
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: I think, Oh my god, that's so funny and then

570
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: there and then it's like then ghosts appear and then

571
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: they are very like they believe in it and they

572
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: think everything's that.

573
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Goes and yeah, but it's like maybe it's everyone's whacked

574
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: out energy. That's like ster I will Okay, do you

575
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: want to hear a really crazy story?

576
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? Wait is this still about the house? Because

577
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I have like one or two questions about this house.

578
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: It's about the house. Yeah, okay, okay, ask me.

579
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: What's well, what's like the history and do you know?

580
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

581
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: So this is this okay, So this is where the

582
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: crazy story comes in. So my dad's a greenskeeper of

583
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: a golf course and he's eighty two. Now he's retired,

584
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: but they still live there, and they got the house

585
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: for free, like it came free with the job. Otherwise

586
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: someone that is a greenskeeper wouldn't be able to afford

587
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: a house in this town, even though the house itself

588
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: was no great prize, you know, so the greenskeeper's house

589
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: comes with the job. So I lived on a golf

590
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: course ton of land, which obviously was not always just

591
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: a golf course. So we would find interesting things in

592
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: the backyard, like buried there like arrowhead, you know, stuff

593
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: like that, like Native American stuff, like just little weird

594
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: things here and there. And our house was registered in

595
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: the Historical Society. And I guess who used to live there,

596
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: Like in the layout of the town in the early

597
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds was a blacksmith and he had one arm

598
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: and he had a shotgun and a dog. And we

599
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: had a picture of him and we would just laugh

600
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: that this guy had one arm and he was a blacksmith.

601
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: But he did pretty well. And we found his diaries

602
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: in our attic, and so there was a sense of

603
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: this lonely guy that had lived there.

604
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that kind of cool?

605
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: So and he would write about the war, whatever war

606
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: was going on.

607
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: So that was the history of it. And then I

608
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: don't know, my parents.

609
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: Moved in there in like the early sixties, so I'm

610
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: not sure who lived there before. But yeah, it had

611
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: been around since eighteen twelve and when there was really

612
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: nothing else around and it was just land.

613
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: And so was the only report of seeing a ghost

614
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: your sister.

615
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: Yes, And this is the sister.

616
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: I love her to death, but she sees a million

617
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: things because she wants to do you know what I mean?

618
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: Like she's not a reliable source.

619
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: Is she looking for ghosts?

620
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: She's looking, but we all do. But if you talk

621
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: to anyone in my family, it's like I'm just telling

622
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: you that there's certain people that I would listen to

623
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: all day long telling me weird, spiritual, spooky stuff. And

624
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: then sometimes with my family, I'm like, would you shut up?

625
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: You guys really don't I hope you guys don't say

626
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: this like dinner parties or like at a job interview

627
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: or like on a date, like just you sound not crazy,

628
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, Like you guys can

629
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: sound kind of dumb, you know, like everything is like

630
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: I really believe I saw my sister claims my sister

631
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 3: now lives in another her house is newer, but like

632
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: she lives near a cemetery, and she claims she's seen

633
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: like three people standing in front of her barn that

634
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: were ghosts. I'm like, all right, this is getting insane.

635
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: So but are you afraid that that's how you would

636
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: appear telling these stories?

637
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm truly not.

638
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: I used to be like this, and then I started

639
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: to be like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

640
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: a minute.

641
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Well, what's the story that you were telling me it

642
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: happened with your grandmother.

643
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh well, let me.

644
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: Can I just tell you the crazy house story first,

645
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: because this is this is just okay. So important to

646
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: the story is that my dad never bought this house.

647
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: It came for free. So when the house comes with

648
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: ghosts for free, with goes.

649
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: So when you get a house for free, you're not

650
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: really doing construction on it because A he didn't have

651
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: the money and b it's like a historical house.

652
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: You can't.

653
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 3: You have to get permission from the town to do stuff.

654
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: But also you have to get permission from the people

655
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: that owned the house, which were the people that the

656
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: town owned it. The town owns the golf course that

657
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: owns the house. So he had to go through all

658
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: this red tape, so we did. They owned the house

659
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: from nineteen They lived in the house from nineteen sixty

660
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: until right now. So I remember in the eighties everything

661
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: was just kind of dated, and my parents wanted to

662
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: do some minor renovations, and so we got some new stuff,

663
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: like we got a dishwasher in the kitchen, and they

664
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: put in new counters, and then they took down the

665
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: wallpaper in the dining room and put up new wallpaper,

666
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: and they had not done that since they moved in,

667
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: and they moved in with whatever was there, so they

668
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: had I've never seen the original walls of the dining room,

669
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: like the original stone walls ever until nineteen eighty four.

670
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: So cut two in nineteen eighty six. Sorry, so all right, so.

671
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: Pause on that.

672
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: So I have an older sister named Linda. And in

673
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two, I was I was little. I was

674
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: like eight. Linda is fourteen years older than me. She's

675
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: twenty two. She got married impulsively.

676
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: This guy sucked. He's their divorced.

677
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: But uh, she got married to this guy whose last

678
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: name was Blackstone, Okay, and she took his name and

679
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: she became Linda Blackstone.

680
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: Okay. Great.

681
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: So that's nineteen eighty two. I'm eight years old. They're

682
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: divorced a year later, but that's part of her history.

683
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: Her name at one point was Linda Blackstone.

684
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: Okay. Cut two.

685
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: Four years later, in nineteen eighty six, my parents are like,

686
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: you know what, We're gonna ask the golf club for

687
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: some money. We're gonna renovate the house a little bit.

688
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: So they renovate the house. This is when they find

689
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: the Blacksmith's diaries in the attic.

690
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: We didn't know about them before.

691
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: This is when we see the original wall in the

692
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: dining room. And basically, in eighteen twelve, there was the

693
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: house I lived in and another house. Uh I don't

694
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: know a little bit away, but you could see it

695
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: out the window. The Blacksmith was in love with a

696
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: woman named Linda Blackstone that lived in that house.

697
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that's weird.

698
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 3: I just blew the story, but I had to blow

699
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: it so that that can take you through it now.

700
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: So basically what happens is he's writing about this woman

701
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: he's in love with. We it's in the diaries, but

702
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: we don't know her name, you know, the lady from

703
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: the house or whatever, Linda from the house.

704
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: It's like something like that.

705
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: And my mom was like, oh, weird, Like the guy

706
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: that used to live here was in love with a

707
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: woman named Linda.

708
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: We didn't know that.

709
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: Then they get to the original wall in the dining

710
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: room and there was a like someone had painted on

711
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: the walls, a badly painted portrait of a woman and

712
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: it said Linda Blackstone on it. So like in the wall,

713
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: does this all make sense?

714
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Right?

715
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?

716
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So and then.

717
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: My family was just like, oh my god, this is

718
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: so fucking weird and my but it's funny because, like,

719
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 3: of all the things that like everyone in my family find,

720
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: I thought that was the weirdest thing ever. And my

721
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: family's just like, eh, like we thought it.

722
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Was weird at the time.

723
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: And my sister Linda is not the one I'm talking

724
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: about that had the kid in the bed thing. Okay,

725
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: my sister Linda's a different sister. She's had other ghost experiences.

726
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: She doesn't find this thing weird. That would freak me

727
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: out so bad that I would probably want to just

728
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: like live in an institution after that, if like somehow,

729
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: oh you know, like I grew up in a house

730
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: my name was named after the woman that this guy

731
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: had been in love with, and then I married someone

732
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: with that last name, and that would weird me out.

733
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: It's so weird, Like I don't know what that story means.

734
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: Does that mean there's a ghost, there's an energy, I

735
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: don't know, just a weird coincidence that I don't like.

736
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: It creeps me out.

737
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: It's such a weird coincidence. I mean, is that a

738
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: common name around the area or anything.

739
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds very eighteen hundreds.

740
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: It's a great name, but it's nice stone.

741
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: But it's like, I don't I mean, I'd never known anyone.

742
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. It was just strange. It

743
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: was just strange to see your sister's name written on

744
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: the wall.

745
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

746
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Or she was a two hundred years before she was born,

747
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: you know.

748
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Now with her name being Linda, did she ever have

749
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: experiences in the house, you know, like if there's this

750
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: ghost that used to be in love with him I

751
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: named Linda, Like, was there anything any weird ghosts stuff

752
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: like that?

753
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: No, she just claims that she I mean, her ghost

754
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: stories are more about everywhere else she's ever lived, you know,

755
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: like got it. She thinks people are visiting her. You know,

756
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that was the That was just

757
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: something that I was like weird, you know, But my

758
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: grandmother's story, this is the closest I've had to like

759
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: some kind of sense of like connection with the dead, you.

760
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. Okay, like being so my mom's mom,

761
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: Jeannette Is, we were very.

762
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: Close and similar and every Sunday we'd go to her house.

763
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: Take her grocery shopping.

764
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: You know, her husband I never met my grandfather or

765
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: husband died when she when he was in his sixties.

766
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: She lived to be ninety nine, and she was.

767
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: Just very feisty and as independent as you could be.

768
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: But she, you know, never learned to drive a.

769
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: Car because her husband wouldn't let her. She was an

770
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: amazing seamstress, but her husband wouldn't let her work. And

771
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: she never fulfilled any of her dreams, you know, she

772
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: didn't really want to have kids. And she was named

773
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: class wit in the nineteen thirties, no, not whenever to

774
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: nineteen twenties.

775
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: And I think we were similar, you know.

776
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: I think I just genetically got a lot from her,

777
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: even if i'd never met her, you know.

778
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: And I'm the spitting image of her.

779
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: And we'd go, so we'd go every week and she'd

780
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: make me tea and we'd have tea at four o'clock.

781
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: And her mom was originally from Quebec, and so I

782
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: don't know, she always had this like European vibe to her.

783
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: But she was just the simple old lady.

784
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: Lived in Lowell, Massachusetts, and she'd worked in the mills

785
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: of Lowell in the eighteen hundreds and been like not

786
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, but whatever early turn of the censure and

787
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: sexual harassment, you know, the whole thing. So I think

788
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: we just always had something between us, even though she

789
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 3: would blatantly tell me that my cousin Justin was her favorite.

790
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: But we used to watch Star Search all the time

791
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: every Sunday. Yeah, and she hated stand up comedians. Hated

792
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: hated male stand up comedians. She thought they were so stupid,

793
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: so unfunny, and she would just go she would just

794
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: look at me. And I was always just fascinated with

795
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: anyone performing. I mean, I guess a little bit comedy,

796
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: but she would turn to me and go, kind of stupid,

797
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: isn't it. That was her thing, And that was just

798
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: what Nana said. And she didn't like comedy.

799
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: So did she like Ed Mahon?

800
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: No, she she liked very little. She loved.

801
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: She had a weird crush on Rob Reiner from All

802
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: in the Family and Tom Selleck.

803
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I get that.

804
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: She Yeah, she had a.

805
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: Weird thing for like kind of more of a hippie

806
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: man mm hmm, like a seventies man. Yeah, And she

807
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: didn't she'd be like, I'm so glad your grandfather's dead.

808
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: He's German, he's a jerk.

809
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I I'm sorry I made another German.

810
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: I hate Germans. You know. She'd always apologize to me

811
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: for making me part German.

812
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: Anyway, she was just a trip. So as she gets older,

813
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: she's getting more stubborn. She won't move out of the house.

814
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: My mom's going up once a week. And my uncle Paul,

815
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: my mom's brother, he lives about ten minutes away, so

816
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: he would go check.

817
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: On her, you know, basically.

818
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Just make sure she's still alive, you know, hate call

819
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: her every few days. But Nana was fine, like perfect health,

820
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: just old, you know. And now obviously I knew, you know,

821
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: she was ninety nine, so it's not like it's not

822
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: or she was about to turn ninety nine, so ninety

823
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: eight whatever, it's not crazy. If you had said to me,

824
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, she died in two thousand and eight, if

825
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: you said to me, Jen, is Nana gonna die this

826
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: Year'd be like, yeah, well probably, you know, because she's

827
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: ninety eight. But this isn't a story about predicting it

828
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: so much so.

829
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: And also, my.

830
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: Uncle Paul and his family, they love ghosts and the supernatural.

831
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it was the That's why I think Christmas

832
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: is so ghosty to me. Whenever we'd go over there

833
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: for Christmas, they would tell us ghost stories about their house.

834
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: Their house was haunted by a woman named Teresa, and

835
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: you know, whenever they walk down the stairs they feel

836
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: like they're being pushed. And they used to have this

837
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: giant giraffe in their bedroom and it would you know,

838
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: they'd come in the room and it would be facing

839
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: the wall.

840
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: You know, stuff like that.

841
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: And that's just all we talked about every Christmas and

842
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: things giving ghost gasts, ghosts, ghost ghosts, and it was

843
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: just like, you know, and I was like, all right,

844
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: you know it.

845
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: I look as you grew up around this ghost culture.

846
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: It's so cool.

847
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: It's it's seriously the only thing my family talks about,

848
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: like ghosts in aliens, ghost and aliens.

849
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: So I want to have your whole family on, Oh my.

850
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: God, you should. They will come on. So they.

851
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: So Uncle Paul checks on Nana every few days whatever.

852
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: And he used to say, I know, someday I'm going

853
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: to go over there and she's gonna be dead.

854
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: You know. He was just always kind of bracing himself

855
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: as she got older.

856
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: So anyway, uh, it's like Spring of two thousand and eight,

857
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: and I had just gotten a job writing on the

858
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: Chelsea Lately show. Yes, and uh, I what was it

859
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: I gave my sister I gave I guess I gave

860
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: my family my desk phone number.

861
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't know why. And anyways, so.

862
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: At the time, I was married or engaged or dating,

863
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: so I don't remember.

864
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: But we're divorce out but I was. I was with

865
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: whoever the guy was.

866
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: I ended up marrying, okay, And we're in our apartment

867
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: and in the middle of the night, I have this

868
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: dream it's so realistic, and I'm I'm watching one of

869
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: my friends do comedy at this guy, who I really

870
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: think is funny. And I'm sitting there and I realized

871
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: there's someone next to me and it's my grandmother. And

872
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: she turns to me and goes kind of stupid, isn't it?

873
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: And I go, oh, Nana, you look so young. She

874
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: looked forty years old, you know, just like in this

875
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: little like nineteen forties outfit. She made her own wedding

876
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: dress and wore like a black dress to her wedding.

877
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: For some reason.

878
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

879
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really weird, like, and we were super Catholic,

880
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: but she was this like black wedding dress with like

881
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: this black hat and veil, and she's like wearing her

882
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: wedding outfit. And I turn because I hear her voice

883
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: go kind of stupid, isn't it. And I look and

884
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: it's my nana. I go, oh my god, Nanny looks

885
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: so young. She goes, I'm young here now here where

886
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: I am Now we're all young again, or something like that.

887
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: And so I wake up from the dream and I'm like,

888
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: oh my god, I think she's dead. I think, and

889
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: I start smelling and then I start sneezing, and this

890
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: like lavender, like the lavender bush outside was just the

891
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: windows were open in our bedroom, and I couldn't stop sneezing.

892
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: I couldn't sep snezing. I remember my husband woke up

893
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: and I was like, the lavender bush, the lavender bush.

894
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: Anyway, cut to the next morning, my ex husband's like,

895
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: why are you talking about a lavender bush in the

896
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: middle of the night. He goes, we don't have a

897
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: lavender bush. We lived in an apartment in West Hollywood,

898
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: but there was no yard, and I go the.

899
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: Wind, you know.

900
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: He kept saying that I woke up in the middle

901
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 3: of the night going the lavender bush and he said

902
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: I was sneezing though and saying I smelled the lavender

903
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: and he had to shut the window.

904
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of remember that.

905
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: So my nana has a giant, like all this overgrown

906
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: lavender outside of her kitchen window, just like insane, like

907
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: needed to be taken care of. But so anyway, I

908
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: get to work at Chelsea. I've only been there a

909
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and I just have this feeling. But

910
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, that dream was weird, and I'm like,

911
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call my family later and just check in.

912
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: But it was more like I had, you know, I overslept.

913
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: I have to get to work, Like it's not the

914
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: first thing on my mind, but it's in there. And

915
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: we're sitting there and Chelsea had just filmed something where

916
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: she went to a nursing home and was like fucking

917
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: around with old people. And I just got really emotional

918
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 3: and like almost started crying, and I started babbling, going,

919
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: my nana would have been so good in stuff like this.

920
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: She was so funny. And I just started telling these stories.

921
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: I just remember my boss going, that's a great story

922
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: about your Nana, jen, we gotta get on with the meeting.

923
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: I go, oh, sorry. So then I have to pee.

924
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: And so I get up and go to the bathroom

925
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: and I walk by my desk and the red light

926
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: on my desk phone is on and someone has left

927
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: a message. And I was like, that's someone from my

928
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: family telling me Nana's dead. Like I knew it because

929
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: I was like, no one else really has this number.

930
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: And I dialed the number and it was my sister

931
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: and she was like, call me.

932
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: And I called her. I was like, Nana died. She's like,

933
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: how'd you Mike? I just knew.

934
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: Now, obviously, it'sn't that crazy to guess that when someone

935
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: calls and your grandmother's ninety eight, think, of course, But

936
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: all the things that had happened, you know, like that dream.

937
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: And so they said, my uncle went to the house.

938
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: So basically, my nana had a doorbell that didn't work.

939
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: That's why my uncle's had a key to her house.

940
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: So basically the last couple of years of her life,

941
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: her doorbell was broken, and she was just stubborn about

942
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: the weirdest things. She would not let my uncle send

943
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: someone to fix it because she didn't want strange men

944
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: outside looking in her window, and he was like, I'll

945
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: come over, I'll deal with it. No, Paul, I don't

946
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: need the doorbell. You have a key, nobody ever needs

947
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: to ring the bell and never going to answer it anyway,

948
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: Who cares. I don't want a doorbell. Don't fucking give me.

949
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: He's all right, all right, no doorbell. So for two

950
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: years she had no doorbell. I mean she had one.

951
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: It didn't work. So Paul let himself into the house

952
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: because he had been calling all morning and she didn't answer,

953
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: and he was like, fuck, all right, here we go.

954
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: I no one about to find and he opened the

955
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: door and she was dead on the kitchen floor and

956
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: the window was open, and he just said that, like

957
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: it was really strange because she had all these lavender

958
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: bushes outside and then the smell of lavender was overwhelming

959
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. Whoa, So it was like this really

960
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: nice smell. But there's this corpse and they, uh, you know,

961
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: she'd probably died like the.

962
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: Night before, and you had the dream.

963
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she came right to me. I don't

964
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: know why. I don't think it was psychic on my part.

965
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: I think there's when you're that close with someone and

966
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: you're that you. I have the same DNA. I think

967
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: energies connect. And I think she came. I don't she

968
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: didn't come to anyone else, but maybe I was open

969
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: to it, you know, and she so then uh, I

970
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: had a dream. So then we buried her, and she

971
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: was buried right next to her husband, who she claims

972
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: she hated. And everyone was like, oh, this is ironic,

973
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: Like she's going to be buried next to Freddy, who

974
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: she's been shit talking for forty years.

975
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Oh god.

976
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: And I had a dream that night that they were

977
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: dancing together in a kitchen. You know, that was probably

978
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: just creative.

979
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't think.

980
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: I don't think I was actually like seeing some afterlife.

981
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: But but uh, when we were we all went to

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: her house to clean it out, and I put on

983
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: her wedding hat that she'd worn, and I put on

984
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: her old furs and all that stuff, and we were

985
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: there and all of a sudden, the doorbell started ringing.

986
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: We were saying, she would fucking hate this, she would

987
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: hate us in here going through stuff, and then the

988
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: doorbell was just like man like, it just wouldn't stop.

989
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, And we all looked outside and Paul's like,

990
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: that doorbell is still broken. I never fixed it because

991
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: she would be mad at me. He's like, that's her.

992
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: And we were like, you're fucking with us. Stop and

993
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: he's like, how am I fucking with you? How would

994
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: I make a doorbell ring? We're all inside. I mean

995
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 3: it was it was weird, and I was like, God

996
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 3: damn it, I can't deny that that was something.

997
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: That's something. I mean, that's uh. When I talk to

998
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: people that you try to analyze these things, and of

999
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: course there are a lot of, you know, ways to

1000
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: rationalize these kinds of experiences, but I love it when

1001
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: when somebody has an experience with like there's no way,

1002
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Like there's no other explanation. No.

1003
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: And you know, my uncle Paul loves ghosts, but he

1004
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 3: also loves fucking with us. And of course, like many

1005
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: of those Christmas and Thanksgivings that we spent together were

1006
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: like part ghost stories that were true and part fucking

1007
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: with us and always trying to scare us. Like that

1008
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: was his favorite thing to do, was scare me because

1009
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: I was so into ghosts.

1010
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: And this was one of those times where he just

1011
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: died laughing.

1012
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: He's like, I swear to God the one time I'm

1013
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: not fucking with you is now. And he's like, I'm

1014
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: scared too. Now here's how you could explain it away.

1015
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: The doorbell has been broken for two years. My nana

1016
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: didn't hear very well. And who would she tell about this?

1017
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it always rang intermittently like that. I don't know,

1018
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: you know, we don't know. But maybe she wasn't alone

1019
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: though we might was. You know, my mom still visited

1020
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: her once a week, and.

1021
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, she was there.

1022
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: There was something weird about it, you know, and I

1023
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: just felt I felt shook when I had that dream.

1024
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: I just did. And I don't know, I don't know.

1025
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: There was just I think my nana died in a

1026
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: kind of a scary way that nobody wants. And I

1027
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: think she was just trying to like tell me, you

1028
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like she it seemed there'd been

1029
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: like a trail of blood, like she might have hit

1030
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: her head in the bathroom and she was heading towards

1031
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: the phone, and she just she had a really violent fall,

1032
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: like her wedding ring broken half, you know, like it

1033
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: was just bad. I think she was dead before she fell.

1034
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: But my uncle said It was just pretty gruesome. And

1035
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: she was also I used to do this bit about

1036
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: this in my stand up, so I don't mean it

1037
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: to sound horrible. Bit she had no clothes on except

1038
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: for a black bra and it's not funny, but it's

1039
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: just like, you know, obviously she was getting dressed or

1040
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: undressed or something, but just for her son to have

1041
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 3: to see that, it was just like, oh my god.

1042
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: Well I love that. In the dream she says that

1043
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: she gets to be young and look cute.

1044
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: Well that was That was something that I remembered from

1045
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: growing up that I was always taught. My grandmother had

1046
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: her own set of Catholicism. It was like based on

1047
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: like conspiracy theories, weird radio shows. She heard some Old Testament,

1048
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: some New Testament, some just bullshit, like just made shit up,

1049
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: you know. And she would always tell me, oh, the

1050
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: world's ending in the year two thousand, you know, all

1051
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: this crazy shit. And she used to tell me that heaven,

1052
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: in heaven, you just you get to be your prime age.

1053
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a lot of people that believe

1054
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: that whatever you believe is what happens.

1055
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: Yes, And I believe that I do too, Yes, So

1056
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: I think that she did end up having that and

1057
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: came to me to tell me even though I won't

1058
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: have that because I believe that.

1059
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: But yes, I totally believe it.

1060
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: When I believe that, like what scares you can manifest

1061
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: as well, you know, like if you're afraid of a

1062
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: demon in the night, then maybe that's how it will

1063
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: appear to you. But if you're afraid of a clown

1064
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: in the night, maybe it'll appear that way. Like I

1065
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: think that it's I think that there's something to that,

1066
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: but I don't know.

1067
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh I do, because our minds are so.

1068
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: Mysterious and big, And that's why I said, like I

1069
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: you know, she always she had the crazy ideas the

1070
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: poor woman. I really wish she'd gotten to live in

1071
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: more modern times. But she was just convinced that God

1072
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 3: and Jesus hated her because she didn't go to church anymore,

1073
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: and you know, and she didn't go because she didn't

1074
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: really have a way to get there. But then we'd

1075
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: ask her if she wanted, but I think deep down

1076
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: she just didn't want to go.

1077
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: You know what, It's funny that you you actually brought

1078
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: up like one of my buzzwords on this show or whatever,

1079
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Like people are so like sick of me talking about it.

1080
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: But I grew up Catholic, and I believe that Catholics

1081
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts. Like it's just like passed out in

1082
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: generation because there's just such a tradition of supernatural type

1083
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: things and the Catholic belief, and so it's just like

1084
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: ingrained in you to at least teach your kids or

1085
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I think parents raise their kids with

1086
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: the belief that they that ghosts are a thing.

1087
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: Well even like in the in the you know, the

1088
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 3: the Trinity, like the Father Son and Holy Ghost or

1089
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit like that exactly, like the whatever that's supposed

1090
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 3: to be this feeling of our soul that that isn't

1091
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, our brain is referred to as a ghost

1092
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: or whatever.

1093
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: It's so totally but they tell very ghosty.

1094
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: I think about, like, oh, we're going to turn this

1095
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: wine into blood. Like it's kind of like you have

1096
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: to suspend your belief a little bit or I don't know,

1097
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: you have to you really have to believe that. So

1098
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: then if you believe that, then what else is true?

1099
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: Well I think then that's what it is in my

1100
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: family is they believe all the things. And I don't,

1101
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: but I do believe that whatever you believe, you get

1102
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: because I don't think life is that cruel and I

1103
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: think our brains at the end are made design to

1104
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: comfort us.

1105
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: So well, that's like when you what you said about praying.

1106
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also people that believe in manifesting through

1107
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: meditation or chanting or you know, there's I think there's

1108
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: different ways of doing things, and it's just like I

1109
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: think that, like, yeah, with religion, whatever you believe in

1110
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: is what works for you. Like there's I don't know.

1111
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: And I love the idea, Like.

1112
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 3: You know, I love the idea that if she believed

1113
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: in Jesus, that that's what she saw when she died.

1114
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: Like just this nice Rob Reiner hit be kind of man,

1115
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: totally her type, her type.

1116
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: Coming to give her a hug and saying, you know,

1117
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: you're forgiven for not going to church or whatever. I mean,

1118
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: I hope, but who knows she was so hard on herself.

1119
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: She probably but.

1120
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like, so I think there's a big

1121
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: tradition in my family of like just a lot of

1122
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: fantasy and a lot of believing in ghosts.

1123
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: We just loved it, you know, And and I wouldn't

1124
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: take that.

1125
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not one of these annoying people that

1126
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: goes home and is like, Nana, this is real.

1127
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: This's just our minds. Like, no, I don't do that

1128
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 2: to them.

1129
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: But deep down, I'm like, Okay, all of these ghost

1130
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 3: stories can't be ghost stories like or else, you guys

1131
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: would be being studied by the greatest scientists of all time.

1132
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: That my family, each person.

1133
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: Has seen more than a hundred ghosts in their life,

1134
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: everywhere they've lived.

1135
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: Like, you guys, you can't be that special.

1136
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's fun to believe it. I mean,

1137
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: if it's not harming anyone, I think it's just like,

1138
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: why not.

1139
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: It's not harming anyone?

1140
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: But it also like there's just other areas where I'm like, Okay,

1141
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: you know, my sister fell for a multi level marketing

1142
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: scheme one, you know what I mean. It ties into

1143
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: a certain kind of naive you know what I mean,

1144
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: and not always, but I just go like, if we

1145
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: believe in ghosts, let's just be very careful about what

1146
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: else we believe.

1147
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Now that's I think that that's good though, because that's

1148
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: how I was. I mean, I don't think I'm a

1149
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: naive person, because I also think that I'm pretty good

1150
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: at connecting with like my intuition and that sort of

1151
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: a thing, but my gut. But when it comes to ghosts,

1152
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: I've I've always like wanted to believe that things were real,

1153
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: And as time has gone on, especially from talking to

1154
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: so many different people on this podcast, I'm getting more

1155
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: analytical or I'm just I'm just trying to weigh out

1156
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: all the different options. But again, it's so fun when

1157
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: you can't explain things.

1158
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a there's a ghost hunter that

1159
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: I was I was listening to some podcast and I

1160
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: guess there's some famous ghost hunter guy.

1161
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

1162
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: I don't remember his name, but I think if I

1163
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: said it, you and everyone that is into.

1164
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Ghosts would be like, oh, that guy.

1165
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't believe in them, and yet he hosts like

1166
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: one of the most popular shows because he wants there

1167
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: to be had.

1168
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: He just hasn't found.

1169
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't feel he's found definitive proof even though he's

1170
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: had unexplainable crazy things happen.

1171
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of where I'm at too, where.

1172
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, I would love it, like I would love it.

1173
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: I want ghosts, I want aliens, I want everything I want,

1174
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: like I want to like I don't know, Like there's

1175
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: this notion that somebody said something really cool once, like

1176
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: the dead aren't above us or below us, they're right

1177
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 3: now to us all times. And I thought that was

1178
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: a neat way to.

1179
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: Look at it.

1180
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: Look behind you.

1181
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know it is true.

1182
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 3: Whenever I'm scared at night, I will run and sit

1183
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: and put my back against the couch. It's always this

1184
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: back thing, and I don't know what that is, but

1185
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: I've had it since I was a kid, But there's

1186
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: something behind me.

1187
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: I still open up the shower curtain. I'm still I

1188
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: don't like being around windows that are open at night, Like,

1189
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't like I have to have curtains covering them.

1190
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like I have things like that that I

1191
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: just I can't get over it.

1192
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: Wait, what's the curtains covering the windows thing? In case

1193
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: people are looking in.

1194
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that someone could look in, because if the

1195
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: lights are on and you're in the home, anyone outside,

1196
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: you're perfectly illuminated, but you can't see them.

1197
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: Yes.

1198
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 3: No, That's why I'm so grateful that I live on

1199
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: the fourth floor and none of that can happen like

1200
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: no one can look in anywhere.

1201
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: Well, somebody is looking and they're floating, and as a ghosts.

1202
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: An out You never see a ghost outdoors, except my

1203
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: sister who saw three outside of her barn. But like

1204
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: they always seem very indoors, indoorsy types.

1205
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: They're yeah, they're like cats.

1206
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: Like do you see a ghost at the beach?

1207
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: Ever, I do remember this one night, like hearing my

1208
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: parents wake up, and I could hear all this banging downstairs.

1209
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: And my sisters were grown up, and there was no

1210
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 3: pets and very small house. It wasn't like someone could

1211
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: have passed through and got like and uh. I heard

1212
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: my parents sort of talking it out, like what do

1213
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: we do? Do we call nine one one? Like is

1214
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: this it is someone in the house, you know? And

1215
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: you could hear it. It felt like someone walking around

1216
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: in our kitchen and like banging pots and pants.

1217
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: And my dad got his baseball bat.

1218
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: I could hear them doing this, and he went downstairs

1219
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, we're fucked, you know, and

1220
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: he's like hello, and he turned on the lights and

1221
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: all the noise.

1222
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: Stopped and no one was there.

1223
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: That is so scary.

1224
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: It was terrifying. And I remember him coming back up

1225
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: and I was like.

1226
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: Dad, I heard everything, and he's like, it's just a

1227
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: ghost gen like that, you know, go back to that.

1228
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: It's just the literal boogeyman.

1229
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, oh, okay, but you know

1230
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

1231
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 3: It's like maybe it was mice, you know, I don't,

1232
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: you know, and they were in the cabinets like who knowshing.

1233
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: I saw the other night where I had just taken

1234
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: a shower super hot water and then I was hearing

1235
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: banging and I guess it's like the water heater doing

1236
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing and like an apartment. But

1237
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I think there's somebody in the other room.

1238
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: I don't like that when you're in the bathroom and.

1239
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: That's a scary thing because is it like what if

1240
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: it was somebody? Like so I don't want to be like,

1241
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: you're getting that predicament where you're like, do I call

1242
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: the cops, because with the cops come here and there's

1243
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: nobody here.

1244
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: Right and they're like, oh boy, well, you know, I

1245
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: will say this for someone that I don't like, definitively

1246
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: believe in ghosts or not. If you gave me the

1247
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: choice of two houses, and they were exactly the same,

1248
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: and I would have no problems with either one. It's

1249
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: just that one was a little one was built yesterday,

1250
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 3: and one was built two hundred years ago, and there

1251
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: might even be more benefits to the one from two

1252
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 3: hundred years ago, so it's cheap or whatever. I would

1253
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: go with the one that was just built. I am,

1254
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: you know, I would be afraid of hauntings.

1255
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, do you know about the Los Felis murder house?

1256
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: That's it for sale?

1257
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny.

1258
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: I hate anything about like murder and killing, and I

1259
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 3: just it. I feel like I'm attracting demonic energy if

1260
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: I listened to podcasts about that or watch things about it.

1261
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: But I went on a walk, and I haven't really

1262
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: been doing much in the quarantine, but I went on

1263
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 3: a socially distanced mask walk with my friend and he

1264
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: is really into all this kind of stuff, and he

1265
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 3: was like, that's the Los Fela's murder house, and.

1266
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: It was all well.

1267
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: He said he'd walked by it like last year and

1268
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: they still had a Christmas tree up and like presence unwrapped. Yeah,

1269
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: it's like the doctor that killed all his family.

1270
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a couple of years because a couple

1271
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: moved in they started like renovating it and then they

1272
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: all modern. Oh they got out, they got out of there.

1273
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: And right now. The last time I looked at the

1274
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: listing a couple of weeks ago, it's like just stripped

1275
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: down to the studs and it's like it would take

1276
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: so much work to make it livable. But it's still

1277
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: at least, you know, like on the outside.

1278
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, because we.

1279
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 3: Walked by, it looks a brand new modern on the

1280
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: outside and oh interesting, well se Yeah, I wonder if

1281
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 3: the people left because it was haunted.

1282
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: I think it's probably because it was so much work. Oh,

1283
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a it has like a ballroom,

1284
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: like it's like a huge mansion that is like so

1285
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: old and has been abandoned for like since I think

1286
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: the fifties. Like, ugh, I can't even imagine what you

1287
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: would have to do. Well then, I also speaking of

1288
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: Los Felis murder houses, the uh with the LaBianca murder happened.

1289
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: That house just went back up for sale after being

1290
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: bought by the guy from Ghost Adventures. He was going

1291
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: there for like a year and then he put what's

1292
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: that guy's name?

1293
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: That might be the guy I'm talking about.

1294
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: Waggins. No, he is, he's somebody that's like that was

1295
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: a something just touched me like he's okay, very into that. Wait, uh,

1296
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: we have one more thing that I wanted to do.

1297
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: If you're down, we play a game where we listen

1298
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: to ghost voices. Does that sound good?

1299
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: Terrifying? But yeah, it's time for it.

1300
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: EVP or ev plice. Okay, you know what an EVP is, right, yeah,

1301
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: of course. So I go to YouTube and I find

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Speaker 1: EVPs Electronic Voice phenomena, and I like to have my

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Speaker 1: guests listen to it and tell me either what they

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Speaker 1: heard or what the ghost hunter believes that the ghost said.

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Speaker 1: So I'll play it and then I'll give you some options.

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Speaker 1: This first one on YouTube is from somebody named Oh.

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Speaker 1: It's from Haunted Salem and it's in Salem, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, spend a lot of time in

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Speaker 3: Salem that feels haunted ish it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to go there so bad.

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Speaker 3: I've gone on all of the witch House tours. There

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Speaker 3: is something going on there.

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Speaker 1: Oh so cool. Now they didn't say where exactly in Salem.

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Speaker 1: This was but tell me what you hear?

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Speaker 2: Well, I heard a man's voice, but this what am

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Speaker 2: I supposed to?

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Speaker 1: What do you hear? Well, let's tune in and let's

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Speaker 1: see if you could hear any words at all. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I they edited it. It sounds very robotic.

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Speaker 2: I do hear a guy's voice. But is this supposedly

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Speaker 2: someone that you? Oh, bless me?

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Speaker 3: Is this supposedly someone that went into a home with

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Speaker 3: a recording device.

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Speaker 1: They went someplace in Salem and where I'm assuming ghost

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Speaker 1: hunting because it's called Haunted Salem, and they caught this voice.

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Speaker 2: If I if I did that, I would feel scared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hear that? Anything?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 3: But I, you know, I'm like, well, that was just

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Speaker 3: like a air traffic control like. I don't believe that

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Speaker 3: that's from a person in Salem posting their like I think.

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Speaker 1: It's Well, let me give you some options, because it

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Speaker 1: was they believe it was one of these options. Is

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Speaker 1: it a ooh I just can't handle you. B we

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Speaker 1: are behind you, Christina? Is it c you just turned

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Speaker 1: twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Wait? These are the things they think that it's.

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Speaker 1: One of these options, And I've got one more.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, play it again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here it is.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear any discernable words, but sir, we play

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Speaker 2: it again. I hear nothing but.

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Speaker 1: The options again. So hey, ooh, I just can't handle you.

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Speaker 1: B we are behind you, Christina. See you just turned

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Speaker 1: twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Or I think it would be oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: D welcome to Jack in the box. Would you like

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Speaker 1: to try our new sauce and loaded curly fries with chipple,

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Speaker 1: cheese and bacon.

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Speaker 3: I think it's see if anything, but I didn't hear

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Speaker 3: any discernible words.

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Speaker 1: They believe it is. We are behind you, Christina.

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Speaker 2: Of course they do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the ghost of John Crawford.

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Speaker 2: I don't hear. How did they hear? And I hear.

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Speaker 3: I can tell it sounds like a man's frequency of

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Speaker 3: a voice.

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Speaker 2: But that's it. I can't tell words.

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Speaker 1: I know, I didn't really hear it. Deiler, Well, let

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Speaker 1: me play it one more. This is from somebody named

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Speaker 1: Joseph Fontaine, and he wrote along an old stagecoach path

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Speaker 1: in the woods of Attleborough, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Oh haunted, yep, I.

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Speaker 1: Came across an old foundation while metal detecting, always a

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Speaker 1: metal detector guy. This voice was recorded as soon as

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Speaker 1: I came to the foundation and turned my recorder on.

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Speaker 1: It seems intelligent and aware of my presence, and it

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Speaker 1: also sounds female. Okay, this one, I think I can

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Speaker 1: hear a little bit better. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of background noise, but it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a whisper voice. Let me play it again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I just hear birds.

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Speaker 1: I know you can definitely hear birds, but it's like.

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean by the whisper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well here, let me give you some options.

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Speaker 2: It's way too low. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Is it A you're not my brother either, B remember

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Speaker 1: evil canievil? See get out of here? No more people?

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Speaker 1: Or D I'm out of the rainbow paper. You know

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Speaker 1: that thing like when you are a manager at a

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Speaker 1: gay pride stationery store and you run out of Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: you know that thing.

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Speaker 2: One of my many jobs. Wait, play it one more time.

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Speaker 3: I guess I maybe could hear the word people, so

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Speaker 3: I'd say no more people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get out of here, no more people, which is

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Speaker 1: like very relevant to now, like people in these grocery

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Speaker 1: store packs. I honestly I hear I'm out of the

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Speaker 1: rainbow paper.

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Speaker 2: I wish it was.

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Speaker 3: I still don't even really hear anything, but there is

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Speaker 3: something with the P for sure.

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Speaker 1: Turns out the correct answer for that one was see

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Speaker 1: get out of here, no more people. Oh, Jen, this

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Speaker 1: has been wonderful. Thank you so much. It's been interesting

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Speaker 1: to hear your like you have a very a different

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Speaker 1: type of approach than then I was thinking for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, I guess I assume

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Speaker 1: that you like really believed or something, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's cool to hear the way you break

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Speaker 1: it down.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there was a time when I really

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Speaker 3: really did and then just something like I wasn't trying

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Speaker 3: to not believe, but then I just think, naturally something

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Speaker 3: happened really went. Oh, I guess I don't, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I don't love it, And then I

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Speaker 3: don't want there to be and then I'm I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong, you know. Yeah, it's just fun to think

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Speaker 3: about it. And I love that your EVP clips were

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Speaker 3: from Massachusetts and I was talking about that that it's weird.

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Speaker 1: Well, I try to not to your well, actually yeah

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Speaker 1: it was. That was a ghost thing. No, but I

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Speaker 1: tried to. I try to take it from places where

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Speaker 1: people are from.

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Speaker 2: Well, something's going on in Salem for sure?

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Speaker 1: What's going on with you? Where? Where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: Can you say where the uh? The your Christmas show

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Speaker 1: is again?

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Speaker 2: Oh sure?

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Speaker 3: If people want to come, it's on location live dot

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Speaker 3: com slash Jen Kirkman or follow me on Twitter at

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Speaker 3: Jen Kirkman and it would be the pinned tweet. And

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Speaker 3: then I also have a free podcast people can listen

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Speaker 3: to called No Fun, the Jen Kirkman Podcast anywhere you

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Speaker 3: get podcasts. It's just me an hour a week talking

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Speaker 3: about what went on in my life and the world

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Speaker 3: that week, and you know, just it's really stupid. It's

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Speaker 3: not really political or anything serious.

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Speaker 1: I love it though. I mean it's like it's it's

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Speaker 1: almost like listening to someone's diary or something. Like you're

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Speaker 1: so open and you share all kinds of things. Thank you, Jen.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that such an interesting perspective. It's like she's definitely

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Speaker 1: she seems to be a skeptic, you know, but she's

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Speaker 1: had her experiences and she's very funny about it. And

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Speaker 1: check out her Christmas show. I love her Christmas Show

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Speaker 1: and that's actually, oh my god, this tomorrow, so you know,

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Speaker 1: make sure you go check that out and follow her

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Speaker 1: on the social media platforms for all that information. I'll

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Speaker 1: be doing a listener episode very soon, so please if

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Speaker 1: you have a listener story, I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you on the show, So send those to me. I'd

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Speaker 1: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com and put in

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Speaker 1: the subject line listener episode. If you want me to

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to your love ones, if you

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Speaker 1: want me to say Hi, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it. That's just Cameo dot com slash rozdres Fales.

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Speaker 1: hear that exclusive bonus clip that I find very juicy

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Speaker 1: with Jen Kirkman at patreon dot com slash roz dress

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Speaker 1: Fales where she talks about the EVP that she captured

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Speaker 1: and the spooky backstory that is not necessarily paranormal but

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Speaker 1: nonetheless terrifying. And you can see those clips of me

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Speaker 1: hearing an EVP at the Old La Zoo and talking

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Speaker 1: about haunted dolls on eBay. Please give the show five stars,

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Speaker 1: and if you have a ghost Story, leave it on

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Speaker 1: a five star review, and tell your friends about it.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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