1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks, it is August twelfth, and a judge 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: didn't just say no to the Trump administration's request for 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: those grand jury files about Epstein. The judge said hell no, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: gave them an f on their homework assignment, and said 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: he considered exposing them for the frauds they are. And 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: I paraphrase there a little bit, but that is as 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: accurate as you're gonna get. This was an absolute beat 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: down in this judge's decision, a spanking to the Trump administration. 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly well put. That was the sentiment throughout 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: the entire thirty page response. You read it. I read it, 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: and it was jaw dropping. I know that judges are 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: supposed to judge, but he was extra judge. 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Would you not say, well, you're not used to them 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: speaking that way? And I would say that we're missing 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: a lot in a lot of the coverage and the 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: headlines that we are seeing. I thought he was one thing, 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: and even some of the quotes I saw that the 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: judge kind of admonished them for some things. Reading through it, 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: this guy has been as clear as anybody in the 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: whole Epstein saga about what is actually in some stuff 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: that people are desperate to see. He flat out said, 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: ain't nothing to. 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: See here, exactly, And he made a really good point 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: that I really hadn't considered this grand jury secret testimony 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: that the Trump administration that the Department of Justice once 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: released to the public and the name of transparency. They 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: had one day of talking to a police officer and 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: another day of talking to an investigator who gave a 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: summation report. They weren't listening to hearing from victims. They 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: weren't presented with evidence that a black book or some 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: financial tracing too powerful people who were named, or possibly 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: none of that stuff that we all have heard might 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: be there was there during that grand jury testimony. It 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: actually sounded fairly boring. And the things they don't want 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: out there are really really private things like videos and 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: pictures of miners being forced to do things they shouldn't have. 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: So this wasn't anything that pointed the finger at anyone else. 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: And please you all do not take what we're saying 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: here as our interpretation. We are going to share with 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: you directly more than you've probably seen out there that's 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: from this judge's ruling, his direct quotes that make clear 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: you don't need extra context. He makes it clear. 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: Now. 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: The reason we're all here is because the Trump administration 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: has been getting all kinds of hell, mainly from its 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: own base. Because in July, they say, hey, we have 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: no more files to release. There was no Epstein client list, 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: he killed himself in prison. This thing is done. Obviously, 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: robes that didn't go over well, and he's been dealing 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: with it for a month plus. 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: Obviously that's the truth. That could be. 53 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna believe that that's the thing. 54 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: So yes, with so much secrecy and so much speculation, 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: and the fact that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, that 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts also died by suicide, it just contributes to 57 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: this conspiracy that there's a cover up, that powerful people 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: are keeping their names out of court records, even though 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: they might be in documents or in evidence elsewhere. 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: So they say, no more file is gonna believe release. 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: That's July seventh. July seventeenth, got that Wall Street Journal 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: report about Trump sending a birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein. 63 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: The next day, the DOJ asks courts to unseal documents. 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, the DOJ interviews Glane Maxwell. Remember she's 65 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: serving twenty years in prison in Florida. No excuse me, 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: she was in Florida. 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: She was in Florida. Now she's in Texas. 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeay, hear what I just said. July twenty four, She 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: got interviewed. A week later, she got moved, yeah to 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Club Fame. 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: Club called Yes, the lowest security level possible for a 72 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: federal inmate. And these are all non violent offenders. Gallayne 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Maxwell is a violent defender, period. 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: So based on her convictions and having to do with miners, yes. 75 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: And she there. She It wasn't just about when you 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: start reading some of what the judge talked about, and 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: we'll get into it, but this this evidence wasn't just 78 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: about her helping Jeffrey Epstein. She was also participating in 79 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: some of this absolutely discussing behavior with miners. 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: So let us get you caught up on where we 81 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: are now with this ruling. There was an earlier ruling 82 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: by a different court in Florida that the OJ had 83 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: asked for that court to release some grand jury testimony 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: having to do with Epstein's trial down there in two 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: thousand and nine or something like that. That court said, no, 86 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: not going to release grand jury So the government was 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: trying for the New York cases that Epstein was being 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: tried for and the one Nickolain Maxwell ends up in 89 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: prison for now. So Judge Paul Engelman, he is the 90 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: judge in the Southern District of New York, he was 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: hearing the case. Let everybody have their say about releasing 92 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: these grand jury files. Now, Rhodes grand jury secrecy. You 93 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be a court watcher to understand that's 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: a pretty big deal. The judge started with that in 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: his ruling today, saying this is precedent, and the way 96 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: he put it in his ruling, the policy that proceedings 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: before a grand jury shall generally remain secret is older 98 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: than our nation itself. This is in the first few 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: lines of his ruling, so you could almost he almost 100 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: established the direction he was going to go. There's a 101 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: high bar to openate stuff up. 102 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Judge Angmaier said, basically, this is part of the 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: foundation of our legal system. This is part of why 104 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: our system works. And so to ask someone to publicly 105 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: unseal those records would have to rise to an extraordinary. 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: Threshold which they claim these are extraord time special circumstances. 107 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: In fact, as I believe the phrase they've used, unusual, 108 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: historical or of deep public interest in while the judge acknowledged, yeah, 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: there is public interest for sure, the other ones, though, 110 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: doesn't even come close. The judge said that this particular 111 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: appeal by the Department of Justice doesn't apply to garden 112 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: variety petitions for disclosure. That's how he described the DOJ's 113 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: request garden variety petition versus special circumstances, and. 114 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: The public interest historical and unusual public interest is public interest. 115 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: This is not a matter of national security. This is 116 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: not We're talking about general public curiosity about something. The 117 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: judge we shared this this morning, Rowe. This is one 118 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of been out there, one of the quotes, 119 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: and it is a big one, but it's not the 120 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: biggest one we found. He told them that the entire 121 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: premise that the Maxwell grand jury materials would bring light meaningful, 122 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein's in 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: Maxwell's crimes or the government's investigation into them, is demons 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: stribly false. Now, he says this early in this ruling, 125 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: but he's setting up what you're actually arguing. I don't 126 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: necessarily have to judge your art. What you're saying and 127 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: saying is demonstrably false. 128 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: He's calling them liars, I. 129 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Said, he went through and cut them down time again. 130 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: He basically my takeaway from reading this was that he 131 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: was calling the DOJ manipulative liars because you're lying to 132 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: the public correct and manipulating it, or manipulating the public 133 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: by making them believe that there is something there that 134 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: would shed light, and that they are trying to be transparent. 135 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: They're doing everything they can to bring all the information 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: that is sealed or under wraps or secret, so that 137 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: then you are actually undermining public trust in our legal system, 138 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: undermining public trust in our judicial system. And that is 139 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: I think part of the reason why the judge was 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: so stern and so specific in his response. 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: And again, folks, what you're hearing from us right now 142 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: is not interpretation. We will continue to share this man's 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: very quotes. Again, this is a thirty one page briefing 144 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: you can read all to yourself. But about the material 145 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: we keep hearing robes about whatever Epstein material that the 146 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: DJ says they have, says nothing else to release because 147 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: nothing else is going to be new. The judge, at 148 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: least in terms of grand jury testimony, he agreed with 149 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that say there actually is nothing new here, despite what 150 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: you DJ are saying publicly. You have at least in 151 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: our briefings express that you know there's nothing new. Right. 152 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: So it's he's calling them on. He's like, you know 153 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: and I both you and I both know that there's 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: nothing there, but you're making the public think there is 155 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: something there. And so he admonishes them, and he used 156 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: the government's own words against them. So this is what 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: the government admitted to when they submitted this in the 158 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: court order. They said, the enclosed annotated transcripts show that 159 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: much of the information and provided during the course of 160 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: the grand jury testimony, with the exception of the identities 161 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: of certain witnesses, was made publicly available at Maxwell's trial 162 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: or has otherwise been publicly reported through the public statements 163 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: of victims and witnesses. 164 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Those are the government's words, the government that's telling you, hey, guys, 165 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: we want to make sure we get all this grand 166 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: jury testimony out there for full disclosure. They have admitted 167 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: in filence to this judge that there is nothing in there. 168 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: And he's using their own words in his ruling to 169 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: call them on it. He is that this is not 170 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: just I mean, he's using facts, and I think it's 171 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: being reported in a different way for headlines. But there 172 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: is so much in here that can move the story 173 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: forward if people are willing to go, oh wait a second, 174 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: maybe we're being duped. 175 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Right, it's not. The judgesn't just saying I'm not allowing 176 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: you to or I'm not going to unseal the grand 177 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: jury testimony because it's wrong, or I don't believe we should, 178 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: or there is some precedent for it, or you haven't, 179 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: it hasn't risen to the love. No, he's going way 180 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: beyond that and saying this is some bs. This is 181 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: a dog and pony show. You were trying to use 182 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: this court. You were trying to use me in order 183 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: to deflect from the truth, which is there is no 184 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: new information period. 185 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: We got that sound by sound bite, but that quote 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: coming up too. But he got onto them and that's 187 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: this is the one where I made a reference kind 188 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: of two robes there. He gave them an F on 189 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: their homework assignment, and he said quote the court's review 190 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: confirmed that unsealing the grand jury materials would not reveal 191 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: any new information of consequence. In response to the court's order, 192 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: the government supplied the court with a binder highlighting any 193 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: information that the government had been unable to determine its 194 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: public Only scattered words, clauses, and occasional sentences are highlighted. 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: These items are few and far between. That sounds like 196 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: a school teacher telling a kid, you blew the homework assignment. 197 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: That's what I asked you to do this, and you 198 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: gave me a binder with some highlighted words. What are 199 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: you doing, is what he's saying. That's not me. We've 200 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: all been admonished in that manner before by somebody that 201 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: gave us an assignment and you didn't do this good. 202 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: Enough because they couldn't do the assignment. And that's the 203 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: whole point. And can you imagine being on this team 204 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: and what's at stake and the Trump administration telling you, hey, 205 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: this needs to look a certain way and we need 206 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: to put this on the judge. We're throwing it right 207 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: back at the judge, and then the judge just throws 208 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: it right back at you, like in a very public way, 209 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: you know, because he could have. 210 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: You know what you make a good point, and this 211 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: is probably out there. But what if the judge had 212 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: not done all this and simply said no, I'm not 213 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: going to maybe gave a little legal reasoning for it. 214 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: People would have gone after the judge, what is he 215 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: trying to hide? And the government could have gone say, look, 216 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: we tried everything we knew to try. 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: You believe, from all your years of experience, that's exactly 218 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: what the government was hoping would happen. 219 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: And he you know what, judges aren't supposed to, but 220 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: he played a very good public relations the game here 221 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: if that's the case, but this worked to say I'm 222 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: not going to actually let you get away with this. 223 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: The judge is a smart man. He too has had 224 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: a lot of experience in politics, and he too knew 225 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: exactly what the government was trying to do, which was 226 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: to push it right back on him and make him 227 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: look like the bad guy, make it look like he 228 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: denied the unsealing of the documents. He's the reason why 229 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: you American public doesn't really get to know what was 230 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: happening behind closed doors, That's exactly. And the judge knew 231 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: that was the game they were playing, and he said, 232 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: ah ah, watch me all right. 233 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: And this next one, folks, I have a note in 234 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: here for Robot and I that says just stars around it, 235 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: all caps. Important quote. This is as definitive robes for 236 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: anybody out there who was waiting for new information, who's 237 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: saying something needs to be released because there's something in 238 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: there we don't know. This next quote is one of 239 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: the strongest statements I have seen in this entire saga 240 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: about what is or isn't still left to be revealed. 241 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: All Right, So the judge wrote this. A member of 242 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: the public familiar with the Maxwell trial record who reviewed 243 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: the grand jury materials that the government proposed to unseal, 244 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: would thus learn next to nothing new. The materials do 245 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: not identify any person other than Epstein and Maxwell as 246 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: having had sexual contact with the minor. 247 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: That's an important, huge, that is huge important statement. 248 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: So that anything that's in there that the grand jury 249 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: heard had nothing to do with anyone else. No powerful, 250 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: unnamed figure was presented in any way, shape or form. Okay, 251 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: so the judge goes on to say about these files 252 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: that they want released, they do not discuss or identify 253 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: any client of Epstein's or Maxwell's boom. 254 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: Again, another importance in it, please. 255 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: They do not reveal any heretofore unknown means of methods 256 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: or sort of unknown means or methods of Epstein's or 257 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: Maxwell's crimes. I mean, we're not gonna learn anything about 258 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: how they did what they did or why they did 259 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: what they did. They do not reveal new venues at 260 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: which their crimes occurred. A lot of people want to know, 261 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: did it happen at someone else's house, on someone else's plane, 262 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: Like this is everyone's looking for someone else who's involved. 263 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: He's saying, Nope, none of this reveals anything new about 264 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: venues or where the crimes occurred. They do not reveal 265 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: new sources of their wealth. That's huge because a lot 266 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: of the implications were that perhaps Epstein was blackmailing power 267 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: for people because he had photographs or videos of them 268 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: participating in some of these crimes, and so he's he's 269 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: amassed his wealth by blackmailing people. So the judge is 270 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: specifically saying, any of these files or anything the grand 271 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: jury heard does not re news sources of their wealth. 272 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: They do not explore the circumstances of Epstein's death. They 273 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,479 Speaker 2: do not reveal the path of the government's investigation. 274 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: If folks don't want to believe this judge, okay, But 275 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: who will you believe until you see it for yourself. 276 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: This is a man sitting on the Southern District Court 277 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: of New York. This is a federal judge telling everybody 278 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: the thing you're looking for. There ain't a name, there 279 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: ain't a client list, there ain't a new crime, there 280 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: is nothing else. The stuff you're looking for just ain't there. 281 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: It's possible that the stuff people are looking for died 282 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. And that is possible if there is 283 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: other stuff. You know, we don't even know that for sure, 284 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: but it's if there is the most. 285 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: Powerful prisoner in the country. 286 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: It's the only use I say it died with Epstein. 287 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: But yes, it could possibly live in Glene Maxwell. But 288 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: if there might not be anything to know beyond what 289 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: we already do, who was on his plane, who visited him, 290 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: who partied with him, who went to dinner with him, 291 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that they participated in illegal acts with him. 292 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: That was probably If that's not the strongest quote he 293 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: has in his ruling, there might be one other that 294 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: is giving it a run for his money, and we 295 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: will share that with you. Also exactly who is this judge? 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The next note I have in here. 323 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna joke you all. Before I wrote 324 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: the quote down, I wrote a note to us on 325 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: the side that said, holy shit, judge, And that's what 326 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: it said, because some of the stuff in there I 327 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: couldn't believe. All right. 328 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: So the judge goes on to say, insofar as the 329 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: motion to unseal implies that the Grandeury materials are an 330 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: untapped mindload of undisclosed information about Epstein or Maxwell or confederates, 331 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: they definitely are not that. 332 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: He's saying. It is plain as day. 333 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: In many ways, in different sentences throughout those thirty pages, 334 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: he just he keeps hammering it home. There ain't nothing 335 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: in these documents, period, he said. 336 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: Anybody out there another one, he said, he said, you 337 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: would come away feeling disappointed and misled because there is 338 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: no there there now. He could have, like we said, 339 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: he could have made a ruling and moved on, But 340 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: it looked like he was he knew what might be 341 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: coming and it was important to make all these points 342 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: and to explain himself. But he also explained I was 343 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. He said he considered releasing the 344 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: grand jury information just to prove that their whole public 345 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: argument as a farce that was strong. He wanted to 346 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: release it just to prove your liars. Whoo. 347 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: I mean that is telling. And I do appreciate the 348 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: way he constantly says anyone who's deeply interested or concerned 349 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: about this, if you're an ordinary citizen, if you're a pundit, 350 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: if you're a lawmaker, if you're a public official, any 351 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: of you, I assure you you would be disappointed. So 352 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: he goes to want to acknowledge all the people who 353 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: are desperate for information, who desperately want to know, and 354 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: he's saying there's nothing to know. And I appreciate the 355 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: fact that he is covering all of his bases, so 356 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: to speak, in this way for the. 357 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Victims as well. He mentioned them, and part of it 358 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: saying some of them. He got letters, even mentioned he's 359 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: got letters from interested parties, maybe not necessarily part of 360 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: the family who were upset about it, and chiming in, 361 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: and he said, I understand why people are upset and 362 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: why the victims might want this stuff released, because you 363 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: have been misled. You have been led to believe there's 364 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: something that is not there. And he gave this defense 365 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: for a certain degree of his ruling. But Romes he mentioned, 366 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I didn't look up the city. 367 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: I should look this up. But he mentioned precedent in 368 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: another case in which a mayoral candidate, mean Mario Biaji, 369 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: wanted grand jury testimony released, and the court in that 370 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: case released it to prove a point because he was 371 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: out there telling the public as he was running for mayor, 372 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: released that grand jury. I didn't do this. I didn't. 373 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: So he is telling the public and misleading the public. 374 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: He goes to court, they released the grand jury stuff, 375 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: and sure enough he had been lying to the public. 376 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: This judge in this case cited that one and said, 377 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: you know what, I had good mind to release this anyway, 378 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: just so the public at see for what you're doing. 379 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: Oooh, that's wild. I mean That really is wild if 380 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: you think about that, and who he's talking about. He's 381 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: literally talking about the Department of Justice. He's not talking 382 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: about a mayoral candidate in some small town. He is 383 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: talking about our Department of Justice. He is talking about 384 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: the United States government led by the Trump administration. Those 385 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: are serious allegations, accusations, And I can't remember a time 386 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: ever where a judge has come out this strongly against 387 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice. Yes, there can be disagreements, there 388 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: can be arguments about precedent, arguments about whether or not 389 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: something is worth or rises to a level, but this 390 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: goes far beyond that. And he I mean, like I said, 391 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: he is calling everyone involved and everyone who's claiming to 392 00:21:54,440 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: want this from the government standpoint released, misleading, manipulative. 393 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: And Biagi was in fact, yes New York should't know, 394 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: but it was Mario Biage. Yeah, it does doesn't who 395 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: was running, but that was the case. So the judge, 396 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: and again we are not interpreting. We're going to give 397 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: this is a direct quote. We are not just assuming 398 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: what the judge was talking about. He said this quote 399 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: the one colorable argument under the doctrine for unsealing in 400 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: this case in fact is that doing so would expose 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: as disingenuous the government's public explanations for moving to unseal. 402 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Holy hell. 403 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: Yes. And then he goes on to say a member 404 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: of the public, appreciating that the Maxwell grand jury materials 405 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: do not contribute anything to public knowledge, might conclude that 406 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: the government's motion for their unsealing was aimed not at 407 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: transparency but at diversion, aimed not at full disclosure, but 408 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: at the illusion of such. 409 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, he couldn't make it any more. Plane. 410 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: How long do you think it took him to write 411 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: this and how much pleasure did he take writing it? 412 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: Or was he nervous concerned about what possibly could happen 413 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: in terms of backlash? 414 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, given the politics these days, who knows. But 415 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be doing his job, and I guess. 416 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: And some would say all you do is interpret the 417 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: facts and leave it at such. But I mean, judges 418 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: give judgment from the bench all the time about what 419 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: they think about this defendant or stop doing they do it. 420 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: It's judgment, so I don't. Obviously it's always politics. So 421 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: someone would look at this and say, oh, he must 422 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: be an Obama appointee. 423 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 2: Which he is he is, he turns out he is, 424 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: and that's probably a lot about what we'll hear if 425 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: we do hear anything back about this judge from the 426 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: DOJ or the Trump administration. They're going to make that 427 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: point very clear. 428 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: But who do we put our trust or our faith in. 429 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: If somebody doesn't say something that I like that's on 430 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: my side of the aisle, then automatically they're on the 431 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: other side, and they're evil and they're misleading me. This 432 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: is a judge. I mean, I don't know what his 433 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: political leanings are, and anybody should give a damn. And 434 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: if he does lean all the way left, this means 435 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: he can't do his job. I don't know. But in 436 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: all this story seems to be this is the most 437 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: definitive And I would say, what are the most authoritative 438 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: voice we have heard that is just not left or right? 439 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: Just authority on. I reviewed this stuff, and you all 440 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: are being fooled about what's in there, and I'm trying 441 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: my best to help y'all here without violating grand jury secrecy. 442 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: And I appreciate everything he said as someone who covered 443 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: this way back before any of it even became public 444 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: or became of public. Interest at all. There was a 445 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: lack of transparency. There was a feeling that these girls, 446 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: these girls, these young girls, weren't being listened to or heard. 447 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: And so that is the foundation from which so much 448 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: of this skepticism arises from. Because he was allowed to 449 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: continue to do what he did and people turned their 450 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: heads and they didn't hold him accountable, and he was 451 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: given a sweet deal in the state of Florida, and 452 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: he did run around in very powerful circles. So it's 453 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: understandable this story has all of the elements where yes, 454 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: I and so many of the people have been incredibly 455 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: skeptical of what the truth is and how much we 456 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: get to know and how much is known. That this 457 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: comes from a place of absolute truth in the sense 458 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: that we were duped, We weren't being told the truth, 459 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: and really important information wasn't being let out, and girls, 460 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: young girls were not being protected, and that's where a 461 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 2: lot of this anger comes from, and that's where a 462 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: lot of the skepticism comes from. 463 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, too much of the politics has come into it. 464 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Somebody's trying to get somebody instead of actually getting at 465 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: the truth. Because in all these conversations and robes in 466 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes we've been on here, and that's on 467 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: all of us that the victims get mentioned once and 468 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: at the end kind of a thing. And it's and 469 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: I understand what the story is today, but I just 470 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: it's always something to keep in mind and something that's 471 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: important there. And I mentioned earlier this Judge Inglemeyer. It 472 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: was in February, was it Robes? They had articles of 473 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: impeachment introduced in Congress against him. A Republican in Arizona 474 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: introduced these articles of impeachment and he did it. Two 475 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: weeks after this judge you gave an unfavorable ruling to 476 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: the Trump administration and had to do with the Treasury 477 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: Department to using Granny access to doge. He ruled against them. 478 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, articles of impeachment were introduced by a 479 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: Republican out of Arizona. 480 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: And that's just so frustrating because that's just not I mean, 481 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: I know, supposed to isn't maybe something we should be 482 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: harping on, but that isn't how our country is supposed 483 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 2: to function. If you don't like what a judge rules, 484 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: you then try to get him fired or impeached or 485 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: some sort of punishment for ruling. Against what you want 486 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: to happen. That ain't how it's supposed to work. 487 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: Well, folks, we know this story is apparently not going anywhere. No, 488 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: it's not anytime soon. Even after Glene Maxwell's pardoned, this 489 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: story will probably It's very funny, folks. We always appreciate 490 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: you all hanging out with us. And remember, we can 491 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: make this easier on you. If you pick up that phone, 492 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: open the Apple Podcast app right there where on the 493 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: screen where our homepage is just top right corner says follow. 494 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: Just click on that and you can get these updates 495 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: coming straight to you. Won't have to look for them. 496 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: But we always appreciate you hanging with us. I'm TJ. 497 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Holmes and I'm Amy Robock. Have a great day, everybody,