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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Zaron, Get over here, I'm here, I'm here questions.

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Speaker 3: Should I sit down?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Stay stay standing? Okay, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: So. You know I've told you recently that that story

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Speaker 3: about uh Keith Richards and John Lennon, right, Well, I

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Speaker 3: did some research and I was bumping around in the

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Speaker 3: Rolling Stones. I found something interesting about Mick Jagger and uh,

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Speaker 3: you know he was married to Jerry Hall, the model

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Speaker 3: for like a long time. Yes, well they were made

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Speaker 3: for about twenty three years, and apparently she got really

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Speaker 3: tired of all the like infidelities on his part. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, look, you're a sex addict. Oh and

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Speaker 3: he's like yeah, probably right. And so he's like, you

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Speaker 3: need to go to therapy and deal with this if

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Speaker 3: we're going to stay together. So Mick agreed. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll do that, you know whatever. So he goes and

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Speaker 3: h turns out he seduced his sex therapist. Stop it.

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Speaker 2: So he just like did the chicken walk?

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Speaker 3: Can strutten over? She's like, I gotta have some of that.

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Speaker 5: All I think about with Mick Jagger is that John

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Speaker 5: mullaney bit about how when he was hosting Saturday Night Live,

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Speaker 5: how he was deciding what, you know, skits they should do,

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Speaker 5: and John Mulaney would pitch one and Mick Jagger would say,

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Speaker 5: not funny.

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Speaker 3: I thought that for.

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Speaker 2: You, not funny. That's ridiculous, right, seducing.

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Speaker 3: Going to for help? Who is a sex therapist? Like

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Speaker 3: she knows this is the one thing I cannot do well.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I guess she's got she's got weaknesses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see what made those lips smile.

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Speaker 2: For some reason? These the ladies, they can't resist them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got the leading man itis.

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Speaker 5: I guess he's so like that doesn't matter. It's like

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Speaker 5: a dancing skeleton totally, that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's you're not really drawn to like the physical forms charm,

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Speaker 3: it's the attitude.

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Speaker 2: Hands on the hips, yeah, the est pout, Yeah, not funny.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: I do not making people.

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Speaker 5: Believe they can win an unwinnable game, over and over

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Speaker 5: and over. This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 5: and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 5: percent murder free. And one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh you damn right, I know I am. Are you

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Speaker 2: familiar with Alan Pinkerton?

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Speaker 3: Do you want me to not cuss and go off

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Speaker 3: on a rant and tirage pretend I'm familiar with that.

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Speaker 2: I was just born. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think he was in maybe the last century or two, saren.

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Speaker 5: He was one of the most significant figures in American

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Speaker 5: law enforcement and private security.

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Speaker 3: Why is that, Elizabeth? Whatever did he do?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you? You know? Oddly enough?

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Speaker 5: Yes, he was a product of the Deer Green Place,

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Speaker 5: my home away from home, Glasgow, Scotland.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, he was a Glaswegian.

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Speaker 3: I'd explain some of his tenacity.

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Speaker 2: He was born there in eighteen nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, why did they get rid of him? They do?

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Speaker 3: What he was like?

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to be interested. So his dad

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Speaker 2: was a police search I guessed that.

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Speaker 5: And he died when Alan was young, and he left

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Speaker 5: the family struggling. I mean, not on purpose, but you

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Speaker 5: know who knows. Maybe so Alan he trained as a cooper,

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Speaker 5: not a copper, oh, to make barrel cooper exactly, a

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Speaker 5: barrel maker, and he became active in the Chartist movement.

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Speaker 2: What is that I thought maybe you'd know it's working

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Speaker 2: class agitation for political reform.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to play a long.

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Speaker 5: So okay, so all these workers right, they want workers right,

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Speaker 5: they want you know, it's not just labor issues, but

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Speaker 5: really into the chartists, and his political activism brought him

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Speaker 2: With the authorities, you know, as it does.

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Speaker 5: He went up against the Glasgow cops and maybe didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine they used the billy clubs too. Oh.

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Speaker 5: In eighteen forty two he'd had enough. He immigrated to

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Speaker 5: the US with his wife. You got run out of town.

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Speaker 5: They settled in Chicago after spending a little bit of

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Speaker 2: So they jumped over the.

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Speaker 3: Common understand the Scots to go to Canada America.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And he at first he worked as a

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Speaker 5: cooper again in Dundee township near Chicago, so he had

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: So he's orbiting Chicago and one time, just by chance,

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Speaker 5: he's out in the woods looking for wood because that's

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Speaker 3: That is true in the best place.

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Speaker 5: That's the name he wants to He's like, I got

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Speaker 5: to build a barrel, dude, and held raw material. It

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Speaker 5: goes out there and he finds a counterfeitters camp. I

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Speaker 5: don't know why I enunciated that so hard.

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Speaker 3: I maybe really wonder what was.

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Speaker 5: Very formal counterfeit A gang counterfeitters camp. You know, I'm

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Speaker 5: trying not to allide over everything all the time and

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Speaker 5: slur my speed because remember when we first started doing this,

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Speaker 5: and that guy said that if you play the show

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Speaker 5: on like seven point seventy five or halftime, I sound

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Speaker 5: completely drunk and you sound normal.

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Speaker 3: Because I talk so fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I don't remember what.

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Speaker 3: People said like that about that. You do. I don't

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Speaker 3: you can remind me of what people say about It.

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Speaker 5: Lives in my head, but I make it pay rent.

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Speaker 5: He finds his counterfeitters camp eighteen forty seven.

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Speaker 3: We're talking money counterfeiting, right, yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: He he channeled his dad and he helped the authorities

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Speaker 5: arrest the counter and he gained this reputation for vigilance.

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Speaker 2: And also, I'm going to guess as.

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Speaker 3: A narc exactly like Yan.

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Speaker 5: So he gets appointed as a result of this, like

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Speaker 5: a couple of years later, he's appointed the first police

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Speaker 5: detective in Chicago in eighteen forty nine detection. They had

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Speaker 5: just lance committee. Yes, and now they're like, how about.

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Speaker 2: You, you nark, Yeah, we're gonna be you can't.

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Speaker 5: Mind your own business, you go detect. So eighteenth Chicago

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Speaker 3: That's crazy. Wow.

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Speaker 5: And so eighteen fifty the next year, he founded the

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Speaker 5: Northwestern Police Agency, later renamed the Pinkerton National Detective Agents. Yes,

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Speaker 5: now my question what happened at the Chicago PD that.

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Speaker 3: After a year they're like, a year, you should do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like settle down there, but.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to pay you for this.

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Speaker 5: No. So the agency's logo was this wide open eye

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Speaker 5: where we get the phrase private eye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the firm they specialized.

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Speaker 5: In railroad security, and then they added in like pursuit

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Speaker 5: little which is rich considering what got him in trouble

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Speaker 5: as a lad.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I didn't want to get into all that, but.

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Speaker 2: I mean like that. Yeah, so come on, now.

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Speaker 3: He's like you know what, I know what pays. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's like you know.

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Speaker 2: You change as you get older.

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Speaker 5: So the Pinkerton Agency became the most prominent private detective

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Speaker 5: service in nineteenth century America. Yes, and the name became

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Speaker 5: synonymous with like brutal private detectives and strongmens and strike breaking, oh,

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Speaker 5: Pinkerton he uncovered a plan.

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Speaker 3: They're like goons and suits.

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Speaker 5: Total goons, total goons. He found out that someone who's

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Speaker 5: going to try and assassinate President elect Abraham Lincoln, Yes,

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Speaker 5: d C. So Lincoln Chicago, right, so that like he

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Speaker 5: then Pinkerton organizes it. So Lincoln arrives in secret, and

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Speaker 5: he referred to it as the Baltimore Plot, and he

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Speaker 5: like the pre secret service. He organized espionage networks behind

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Speaker 2: Confederate troop strength. Course, but like after the war.

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Speaker 5: The agency became famous for pursuing criminals like the Reno Gang,

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Speaker 5: the James Younger Game, and then Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch.

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Speaker 5: Of course, so by the eighteen seventies, oh, he is,

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Speaker 5: he is, he's got star power. Eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties,

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Speaker 5: they're like, really.

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Speaker 2: That's when they get into the strike breaking.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and they're like, you know, we're here to protect

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Speaker 5: industry and destroy lives. And that tarnished his reputation among

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Speaker 3: So now this is what he's taking on.

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Speaker 2: Mother Jones, correct the muckraker.

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Speaker 5: Now, let's get to what I want to talk to

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Speaker 5: you about today, but not just Alan Pinkerton.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear what you'd love to talk about.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk to you about your poor performance

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Speaker 5: and our detective agency nose.

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Speaker 3: I thought if I dressed like the job that I wanted,

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Speaker 3: that's all I had to do.

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Speaker 2: Time out.

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Speaker 5: You're wearing an incredible yellow Hawaiian shirt today.

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Speaker 2: That kind of is very magnum.

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Speaker 5: Pi, and I feel like you should be out, you know,

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Speaker 5: scoping something with some give.

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Speaker 3: Me some short shorts and I'm going to be there for.

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Speaker 2: And some binoculars and then you just go sit in.

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Speaker 3: The car, keep binoculars in my car for bird watching.

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Speaker 3: You just did the air exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, very magnum.

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Speaker 5: This this all is going to start for us with

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Speaker 5: one of Alan Pinkton's books. Ooh, because he wrote he

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Speaker 5: wrote The Expressman and the Detective in eighteen seventy four,

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Speaker 5: the Molly Maguires and the Detectives in eighteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 5: and then Criminal Reminiscence and Detective Sketches in eighteen seven

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Speaker 5: or memoir. Yeah, so these books widely read, but also

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Speaker 5: they were like totally sensationalized. So there was you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot of fiction up in that fact and it

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Speaker 5: was mostly you know, just.

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Speaker 2: To promote the Pinkerton Agency here totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean him and dashil Hammett basically do it.

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Speaker 5: And so but it's that last tone that kicks it

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Speaker 5: off for us. In Criminal Reminiscences and Detective Sketches, Pinkerton wrote, quote,

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Speaker 5: there are some men who naturally choose, or through a

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Speaker 5: series of unfortunate blunders, drift into the life of social outlaws,

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Speaker 5: who possess so many remarkably original traits of character that

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Speaker 5: they become rather subjects for admiration than condemnation when we

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of words say outlaw folk.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about a good number of these dudes totally.

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Speaker 5: But who in particular was Alan Pankerton talking about Zaren Who?

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth? Because I do not have any guesses, No.

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Speaker 2: Neither do I. It's a guy, We'll put it that way.

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Speaker 2: He was. It's just established. It's a human being and a.

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Speaker 5: Who was a con artist at a riverboat gambler? He yes, hey,

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Speaker 5: quote the greatest of confidence men, and quote, without a doubt,

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Speaker 3: Oh old fastthand Matthews.

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Speaker 2: I like being talked about working the boats. Work in

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Speaker 3: She's working the boats.

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Speaker 2: So was Sophie Smith.

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Speaker 3: But he wasn't a three card money guy. But he

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Speaker 5: He was like the best either way. I'm not talking

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Speaker 5: it is not as good as Soapy, but it's pretty proper.

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Speaker 5: Alan Pinkerton and I are talking about Canada Bill Jones.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: That sounds like I made it up.

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Speaker 3: It totally sounds like he would make up every Jones

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Speaker 5: Now and then I'm tempted to just completely make up

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Speaker 2: I've just made it up.

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Speaker 2: So Canada Bill Jones sounds like one that I would make.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out. Canada Bill Jones is incredible.

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Speaker 3: So you got the name Bill Jones, are like, you

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Speaker 2: Canada Bill Jones. Well, it's not even cool. The Bill

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Speaker 5: So it's it should be like Canada, Jack McGill cuddy exactly.

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Speaker 5: Bill Jones's false flat deflate so William Jones and also.

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Speaker 2: Be differentiated from Mexico, La Colorado. Bill Jones. Which member

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Speaker 5: William Jones born in a tent, of course, in Yorkshire,

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Speaker 3: I was picturing in Canada. Born in his.

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Speaker 5: So like historically they're itinerant. They moved in caravans wagons

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Speaker 5: there were laws that made it a crime simply to

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Speaker 2: You could be executed on site.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of them get deported to the American

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Speaker 3: A lot of breaking up of families too, right, Like

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Speaker 5: But like in the US, that's why we have those

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Speaker 3: I remember growing up there always be outside of town

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Speaker 5: So Canada, Bill Canada dry From a young age, he

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Speaker 3: Know, I got a home not appreciated, and his options.

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Speaker 5: Are limited, and you know he's being like severely discriminated against.

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Speaker 5: So in Canada he partners up with this guy, Dick

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Speaker 5: Monty as a specialist quote thrower, and the thrower is

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Speaker 5: true description can scarcely be written. He was fully six

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Speaker 3: I mean, like all also, I love how Alan Pickerton

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, is there an opening for that.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a break and when we come back, we're

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Speaker 4: Bill nice.

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Speaker 5: Zaren Elizabeth welcome back. Yes, So all right, we're talking

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Speaker 6: Bill.

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Speaker 5: You can see that he's not too put together, like not,

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Speaker 3: He just seems really charismatic, especial when he's talking about

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Speaker 5: He's got this like charm that draws people in. That's

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Speaker 5: that's an important for So you got to be somewhat

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Speaker 5: relatable put people at these So he Bill, he worked

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Speaker 5: his card sharp skills, honed his talents, but he didn't

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Speaker 5: the US riverboat circuit on the Mississippi tributaries because that's

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Speaker 5: where the money was.

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Speaker 7: Oh yes, yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: You were the action.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, he worked with these teams of people and

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Speaker 3: That name sounds familiar, George Hildreth Deval, Okay, less familiar.

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Speaker 5: I'll just keep adding names to it until it's like unrecognizable.

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Speaker 5: Born in eighteen twenty nine in Ohio. He was a riverboat,

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Speaker 2: That's why, Yeah, I figured you probably read that.

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Speaker 5: So the memoir is like this nineteenth century picuresque filled

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Speaker 2: It's not a work of nonfiction really.

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Speaker 3: we get like later on the character Maverick, who is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he grew up in it right like so

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Speaker 5: he had he was early into steamboat life as a

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Speaker 3: Team and had to pick your marks too.

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Speaker 5: he would brag about getting into these tussles in order

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Speaker 5: here's this bruiser and he teams up with Canada Bill

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Speaker 5: and they did this thing old decking, which is like

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Speaker 5: They exploited this like transit environment. So we have riverboats,

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Speaker 3: A lot of times you're just down to us marshalls.

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Speaker 5: Right, And the techniques like that he used, he just

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Speaker 3: Oh for real.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was right around the time that the

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Speaker 3: Well, because all the riverboat traffic stops basically, so these

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Speaker 3: bet that's why they that was.

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Speaker 2: But then it's like, I don't know what he did,

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Speaker 3: Did, I'm probably stage coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a good guess. I'll give you

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Speaker 3: You got to keep it moving, he always do.

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Speaker 5: After the war, though, he popped up in Kansas City

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Speaker 5: just terrorizing the Northwest. There was this murderous former fire

443
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 5: chief in San Francisco. Yeah, but Bill's Charlie was not

444
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 5: one of those guys. And from what I've read, this

445
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 5: actually was a very common nickname for German guys in

446
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 5: those days.

447
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: Dutch charged the Dutch, so they're actually not Dutch. They're

448
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 3: usually like the Pennsylvania Dutch exactly.

449
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 5: So Bill and Charlie they worked to trains together on

450
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 5: the Maha Kansas City Corridor. They ran mostly three card monty, Okay,

451
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 5: and it is impossible to beat the dealer in three

452
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 5: card manti. Just can't be done. People should know that

453
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: they still fell for it. So this shill would like

454
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 5: sidle up to a mark and pretend to conspire with him,

455
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 5: like let's go cheat the dealer, like I know how

456
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 5: to break this, and the Mark is like this is

457
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 5: my lucky day. I'm and this plot I can beat

458
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 5: the house at their own game. Shill obviously works for

459
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: the dealer, not the mark. The Kansas City Star newspaper

460
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: broke down the con in this nineteen seventeen article, quote,

461
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 5: three card Monty was played with three cards, not the

462
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 5: ordinary playing cards. They were cards made for the very purpose.

463
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 5: One of them had a picture of an elephant on it,

464
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 5: another the picture of a snake, and the third a star.

465
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 5: The operator holds the star card in one hand and

466
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 5: the other two between his thumb and forefinger in the

467
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 5: other hand, and throws them on the table or cloth.

468
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 5: He bets, you can't pick the star card, but here's

469
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 5: the Canada Bill worked it in the first place. Most

470
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: of his work was done on the railroad trains. You

471
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 5: know how lonesome you get riding along in a smoker car.

472
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 5: Canada Bill always had a capper who was a good

473
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 5: makeup man too. The capper singled out his victim and

474
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 5: took a seat alongside him and began to exchange confidences

475
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 5: long before Canada Bill appeared. When the capper and the

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 5: victim became good friends, Canada Bill would heave in sight.

477
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 5: Sometimes he would be a Montana sheep man, sometimes a

478
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 5: retired farmer, sometimes a country merchant. He would plant himself

479
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 5: in the seat opposite the capper and the mark and

480
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 5: pull out a roll of greenbacks and began to brag

481
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 5: about having the best of luck. Then he would tell

482
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 5: about going into Butte and playing three card monty, and

483
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 5: he would produce a set of cards which he said

484
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 5: he'd bought. The capper would ask him what kind of

485
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 5: game it was, and so Canada Bill would throw the

486
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 5: cards and the capper would try his luck at picking

487
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 5: out the Star card, and he'd win three out of

488
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 5: four bets. By this time, the sucker would be getting interested.

489
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 5: Seeing good pass Then Canada Bill's psychology mill would begin

490
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 5: to work. While the cards were laying on the cloth

491
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: or the car seat, he would turn his head and

492
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 5: hunt a spittoon, and quick as a flash, the copper

493
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: would turn the star cards so the sucker could see it.

494
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: And nine times out of ten, the sucker plays because

495
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 5: he thinks he's got a sure thing. When the cards

496
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 5: were switched, the copper would encourage the sucker to make

497
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 5: a huge bet. Whatever card the sucker picked would prove

498
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: to be an elephant or a snake, and he would

499
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: lose his money. That was because Canada Bill had definitely

500
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 5: replaced the star with superb sleight of hand. Moreover, when

501
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 5: the sucker lost, he was generally afraid to complain because

502
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 5: he'd have to fess up that he thought he had

503
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 5: a sure thing.

504
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he thinks he's cheating.

505
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 5: It's so simple, like it plays on psychology, ego, hope,

506
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 5: it's genius.

507
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: It's like an instantaneous con. You know, you do very

508
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: quickly conning and then they get them to think, oh,

509
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to get over on you, right.

510
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: Right, you know you can be the con. So the

511
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: Union Pacific Railroad was not so happy to be this

512
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 5: rolling thing you for this con, so they cracked down

513
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 5: on Monty. Bill actually tried to buy an exclusive franchise

514
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 5: for the game from the railroad.

515
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Really, he's let me have this one.

516
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: He wrote to the head of the railroad and said

517
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 5: that he was going to offer them money, and then

518
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 5: some accounts it was ten thousand a year. Others say

519
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 5: it was one thousand a month. There's one that said

520
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 5: it was like thirty grand a year that I'll offer

521
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: you money if you let me run three.

522
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: Card MONTI.

523
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: Yes what I'm doing.

524
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: No matter how much he.

525
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 5: Offered, the railroad passed on the opportunity, like they don't

526
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 5: want to give him a carve out on the ban

527
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: on three card Monty.

528
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: For a reason, we're into this legitimate business because we're

529
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: like this, we're.

530
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: Like that, and people don't want to ride the rails

531
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: if they're going to get taken. So Canada Bill really

532
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 5: put his game on in Omaha, Nebraska. He got really

533
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 5: good at it there and so you know, he always

534
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 5: he played the he dressed the part, you know, going

535
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: to be a farmer.

536
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: But like he didn't go overboard, right, So if he.

537
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 5: Said he was, that's right, and he didn't have it

538
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: like tuck behind his ear, straw behind his ear and

539
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: he would just look like, I'm a prosperous farmer, you know.

540
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: If he was like a merchant.

541
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 5: He he never overdid what they called the makeup, the

542
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 5: costume of it, and people just would remember him. And

543
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 5: so he pulled these cons over and over and it

544
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: got him press as well as attention from the authority.

545
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: That's not what you want.

546
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: It didn't stop people from becoming victims of his scams.

547
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 5: But still so like in the April twenty third, eighteen

548
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 5: seventy three newspaper Omaha Evening Bee, Bill Is.

549
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: Reported read a minute the papers called the Omaha Evening b. Yes,

550
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: not a morning paper. Usually the B is the morning paper.

551
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 3: They're like the night paper might be to ad at night.

552
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 5: It's the it's the B side to Gregory, Isaac's night

553
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 5: nurses might be the night be so Billy, they reported.

554
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 5: Bill that morning At appeared in court. He was charged

555
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 5: with conning a man and wife, last name of Jarvis,

556
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 5: at eight hundred dollars at three card Monty in a

557
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: saloon south of the Omaha Union Pacific Depot. It's like

558
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: the courtroom's packed. Everyone's loving this. They want to see it.

559
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 5: So the first up to testify is the wife of

560
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 5: the saloon owner, Missus Gosman. She tells the Omaha Evening Bee, right,

561
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 5: they noted in there in the paper that she's a

562
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 5: little deaf.

563
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, was she asked him? Repeat questions, Gosman.

564
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: Who's a little deaf?

565
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: She testified, So she said, they're written in parentheses like

566
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: the whispering.

567
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think this part is important, she said.

568
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: She really wasn't sure what was going on out in

569
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: the bar room because she was at the stove in

570
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 5: the kitchen.

571
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: All right, so I did actually happen.

572
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: What was she doing in there?

573
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: Well?

574
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: What was she doing there? Elizabeth?

575
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 5: Thank you zer, and I'm so glad you asked? She

576
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 5: was making a cup of coffee for Canada Bill to

577
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: study his nerves. Yeah, and then Henry the owner, he

578
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: said he saw Canada Bill like a bunch of times before,

579
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 5: and yeah, I saw him on that day, but I don't.

580
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: Know what he was doing in there. I don't know

581
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: anything about gambling.

582
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: And so the deputy City Marshall, Marshall Snowden, he found

583
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 5: Canada Bill later that day and Bill like straight up

584
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: told him, yeah, I beat a couple out of.

585
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Some of the months of money.

586
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: And then he's like, but I gave it all back

587
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 5: except for like one hundred and fifty bucks.

588
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: I kept one hundred and fifty.

589
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: I was going back and forth.

590
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: I have to take you.

591
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: To jail, like you conned them. That was the extent

592
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: of the testimony. So Bill's lawyer makes this really good

593
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 5: case of like why he shouldn't get in trouble for it,

594
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: and then when he's rendering his judgment, the judge is like,

595
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: I am convinced that Bill is guilty of the charges

596
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 5: against him, and he said I was also sure quote

597
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: that three card Monty was a swindle and all who

598
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: played it were swindlers dealers as well as Kapper's being

599
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: equally guilty. And he was like, you know, if we

600
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: keep letting this go. It's a blight on our beautiful city.

601
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: He wants the.

602
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: Authorities to crack down otherwise people aren't going to want

603
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: to come here anymore. But like, he also points out

604
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: that apparently there were other witnesses set to testify who

605
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: just didn't turn up, and so the testimony that they

606
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 5: had just wasn't enough to convict. So all he could

607
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: do was hand out like a severe reprimand, and so

608
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: he imposed a fine of fifty bucks bills on his way.

609
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: Legend intact. I've talked about Bunkomen before. Oh yeah, so

610
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 5: those and like the three card body guys, they befriended

611
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: unsuspecting visitors in town all across the US, and they'd

612
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: lure these roubes into card games, like you know Canada

613
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: Bill and his fellow card sharps, and they always had

614
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: like muscle in the wings waiting to put down an uprising,

615
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 5: and much to the chagrin of like the judges, the

616
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: Omaha police generally just left it alone.

617
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: They left all this just.

618
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like, but see the real pressure

619
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 5: on Canada Bill and his compatriots were the railroad detectives.

620
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: So let's go back to Alan pinkertized, I.

621
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: Just about to say, I'm sensing some pankritis.

622
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: Here's another of his observations on Bill. Quote Canada Bill's

623
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 5: peculiar genius never failed to give him victory. And it

624
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: is said of him that he never made a mistake

625
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: and never failed to win money whenever he attempted it. Okay,

626
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 5: so he said that, oh yeah, he what set Canada Bill?

627
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 5: According to Pinkerton, set Canada Bill apart from all the

628
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 5: other card sharps was quote the fact that he was

629
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 5: the thing. He seemed to be.

630
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: Oh right, so he's not putting on some kind of airs,

631
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: and he goes.

632
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 5: On quote Old gamblers and sporting men could never fathom him.

633
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: He was an enigma to his closest friends. A short

634
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: study of the awkward ambling fellow would give one the

635
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: impression that he was simply supremely clever in his manner,

636
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: and makeup that he was merely one of the most

637
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 5: accomplished actors in his profession ever known, and that he

638
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: only kept up this appearance of guilelessness for the purpose

639
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: of acquiring greater reputation among his fellows. But those who

640
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: knew him, as far as it was possible to know,

641
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 5: the wandering vagabond that he was, assert that he was

642
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: the most unaffected, innocent and really simple hearted of human

643
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: beings and never had been anything and never could have

644
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: been anything save just what he was.

645
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: So he's almost like a holy fool, but without so

646
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: much of the aspect that we would describe to being dumb. Yeah,

647
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: it's just an innocent lacking about And I.

648
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: Really think it's because of his upbringing, Like he learned

649
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 5: the cons as part of his culture.

650
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's what he knows and part of survival.

651
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: He didn't carry the shame others may have hangen around

652
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: those activities. So that's just who he is.

653
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: Church. Yeah.

654
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's this there's this great article in the

655
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: Beaver Crossing Times. You were just am I making him

656
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: up to say from eighteen ninety two that echoes much

657
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: of what others said. Quote he was large, formed man

658
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: with a cleanly shaven face, square jaw, deep set eyes,

659
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 5: the expression of a sphinx. His favorite disguise was the

660
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 5: makeup of a cattle drover, and as there were more

661
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: members of that class on the road Canada, Bill had

662
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: no difficulty in passing himself off as one of them.

663
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: He always carried two or three confederates or cappers with him,

664
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 5: and the money that he won with his three little

665
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: cards during half a dozen years would buy a bank

666
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 5: and pay officers' salaries for twenty years. Whenever arrested, Bill

667
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: would plead guilty, and no matter how large a fine

668
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 5: would be imposed, he would flash up a bundle of greenbacks,

669
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 5: thank the court for doing its duty, and bow himself

670
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: into the street.

671
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: How much was the fine? I got to go?

672
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: So again, he's you know, he's not remorseful.

673
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: He's not he doesn't feel guilty because he doesn't think

674
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: that there's no shame in this.

675
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: He think it's an operating cost.

676
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, except cost of doing business.

677
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 5: Now, the Canada Bill Gang broke up in eighteen seventy candid, Yeah,

678
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: and most of the members they just went west and

679
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 5: hit up like the gold and silver fields of California

680
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 5: and Nevada.

681
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: But they left this mark on Omaha and.

682
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: The city had a reputation for illegal card rackets for

683
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 5: decades after because of them.

684
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, my grandfather, who was the son

685
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: of farmers, and one of his his father's named James

686
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Garfield after the President. All right. They he used to

687
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: always warned me when I would go to that, like

688
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: when I went to San Francisco and he would tell me, like,

689
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: you know, you got to make sure you don't get

690
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: involved in like three card MONI I'm like, yeah, people

691
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: don't really do that. And then they get to North

692
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: Beach and there was something throwing the car. I was like,

693
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm putting down twenty on this. I gotta see it.

694
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: Well, that's what the omaha. They gave this reputation to him.

695
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: Let's let's stop here for a second and we'll get

696
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: more Canada Bill after the.

697
00:34:45,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 7: Break, please, Zaren Elizabeth.

698
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Zaven So Canada Bill, can.

699
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: I tell you how much I'm digging this?

700
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: You know, is any great?

701
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: I love nineteenth century crime?

702
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 5: But this guy, I mean, if he existed, Canada Bill,

703
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 5: now he's real.

704
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: He cheated a lot of people.

705
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: It sounds like that's he wasn't a bad dude. No,

706
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: he gave them entertainment and they don't feel like such

707
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: suckers that they're like losing their.

708
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: Homes or like and and there were parts when he

709
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 5: really was not a bad dude at all.

710
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: Because Zaren, close your eyes.

711
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, as it closed, I want you to picture it.

712
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: It's the spring of eighteen seventy four. You are a

713
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 5: newspaper reporter based out of Chicago. You're on the Lake

714
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 5: Shore Train headed out to Toledo.

715
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: Going to visit some family.

716
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 5: You sit in the smoking car, puffing on a pipe

717
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: with your notepad in your lap app thinking about a

718
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 5: collection of short stories you're working on. The train chugs

719
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: along in a mesmerizing rhythm. The door to the carriage

720
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 5: slides open and a man enters. You'd know him anywhere.

721
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: That's Canada, Bill Jones. Everyone at the paper is fascinated

722
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 5: by him. There's a twinkle in his eye. He nods

723
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: at you and takes a seat across the aisle.

724
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: He starts sort.

725
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 5: Of carelessly tossing cards around on the chair opposite him,

726
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: laying cards on the seat, flipping him, sorting, shuffling. A

727
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 5: man approaches and watches Bill. Bill offers a game of

728
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: three card Monti. This is gonna be good. You think

729
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: the guy wins a hand. You know he must be

730
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: a capper.

731
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: He's in on it. There's just no way.

732
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 5: This is cemented in your mind when he wins a

733
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 5: second round. Soon, two more gentlemen approach and watch. One

734
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 5: of them takes the bait, and you wait for him

735
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 5: to lose his bet. He does, and he wins. More

736
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: men gather and watch. The second fellow tries again and loses,

737
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: but he doubles down on a third try and wins.

738
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: The gathered group lets out hollers and whoops it.

739
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: They can't believe their eyes. Bill shakes his head and

740
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: hands over twenty dollars.

741
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 5: Why that very well may be worth five hundred and

742
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 5: fifty dollars one hundred and fifty years time or so.

743
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: That's some cash.

744
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 5: Just then, a country boy with a pipe in his

745
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: mouth approaches, bow legged and obviously out of his element.

746
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: He stares at Bill.

747
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: You'd clocked him watching all of this from the end

748
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 5: of the car, and now he's standing right here next

749
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 5: to you, assessing the game for himself. He reaches into

750
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 5: his pocket and pulls out a stuffed billfold, producing ten bucks.

751
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: He bets Bill he can pick the right card.

752
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: Bill tells me he's on.

753
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: In quick successive hands, he manages to double his money.

754
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: The gathered men chuckle and cheer. He racks up more wins,

755
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: three than four, then five hands, then six. You don't

756
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: take this guy for a capper based on what you

757
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: know of this con Bill has been luring this guy

758
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: into a false sense of confidence in his skills at

759
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: an unwinnable game. With each win, the guy increases his bets,

760
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: ballooning the amount of money at stake. But then his

761
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 5: luck changes. He loses and loses again and again, and

762
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 5: he gets desperate. He tries to increase the bets in

763
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: order to make his money back. The smoking car is

764
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 5: now silent, just the sound of the train rolling down

765
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: the tracks and the occasional clearing of a throat. To

766
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: accompany a massive loss, the man runs out of money.

767
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: Two men stand behind you watching the scene. One turns

768
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 5: to the other and asks how much the guy lost

769
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 5: because he wasn't keeping track. Six hundred dollars, the other

770
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 5: man says, man whistles. In one hundred and fifty one

771
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: years time, in twenty twenty five, that would be seventeen

772
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 5: thousand dollars lost in a card game.

773
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: In the smoking car of a train on a.

774
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: Regional railroad, the country boy stands and straightens himself. Out

775
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: car remains quiet. He looks dazed. Excusing himself, he shuffles

776
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: past the gathered group and out into the next car.

777
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 5: The men all disperse, some to other ends of the car,

778
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: some to other carriages. Canada Bill Jones gathers his cards

779
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: and tucks him in the front pocket of his jacket.

780
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: He pulls his soft leather cash bag from the interior

781
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 5: pocket of his jacket and places his winnings in there,

782
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: a bundle of cash, Joining a crowd of other ill

783
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 5: gotten bills. He takes a newspaper from the seat beside

784
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 5: him and begins to scan the articles. You all ride

785
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: along in silence. You think about what you've just witnessed,

786
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 5: think about how to incorporate it into a short story.

787
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: Then there's a commotion.

788
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: The door to the smoking car flies open, and a

789
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 5: woman enters, dragging two small children with her.

790
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: She's crying.

791
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 5: She scans the faces of the men in the car,

792
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: most of her their eyes not Canada Bill.

793
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: He looks straight at her.

794
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: She approaches Canada Bill, she asks, yes, ma'am. He answers bawling.

795
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 5: She tells him that she her husband, and their two

796
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 5: small children and had sold out everything they'd owned in

797
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 5: Mercer County, Pennsylvania, and were on their way to Kansas

798
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 5: to start a new life. All the money they had

799
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 5: was the six hundred and some odd dollars that her

800
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 5: husband had just lost in three card money. She then

801
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: collapses to her knees, holding onto the seat across from Bill.

802
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 5: Her kids stare wide eyed at the scene. She exclaims

803
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 5: that children and I must starve mister, just because my

804
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: man was a fool.

805
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Canada Bill shows no expression.

806
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 5: He stares at the woman and every soul in the

807
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 5: smoking car seems to simultaneously hold his breath. Slowly, Bill

808
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 5: reaches into his pants pocket. He pulls out an enormous

809
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: wad of money. Slowly, he counts off six hundred dollars

810
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 5: and hands it to the woman. Here's your money, madam.

811
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: I never rob women and children, but I want you

812
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: to keep it to yourself in the future, as that

813
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: husband of yours doesn't know enough to go without a guardian.

814
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 5: She is about to say something, but he raises his

815
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 5: hand to stop. He then continues to peel Bills off

816
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 5: the stack twenty after twenty. Then he speaks, here's a

817
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: present for the babies, Now run back to them and

818
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 5: stop your crying.

819
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: So Canada Bill.

820
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: I love him. Wasn't all bad, dude, I mean, like,

821
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: okay one that was fantastic scene like, you know, I

822
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 3: listened to, as I say, often a lot of old

823
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: radio shows that felt like something from like Frontier Gentleman

824
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: or from like Have Gunwheel Travel totally, I mean even

825
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: gun Smoke. I was like, oh, that was an amazing scene.

826
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: And then I love that he like wants to protect

827
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: the women and the women and the children from the

828
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: idiocy of the husband, like I know.

829
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be traveling hat a guardian.

830
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: What a great line, babe. And also how amazing is

831
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: it what people used to do before we had cell phones,

832
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: iPhones and whatnot. But there's whole industries like that made

833
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: for boredom. You're just sitting on a trail and all

834
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: the sudden you got gambling. Everyone gets all excited. Yeah

835
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: we get none of that now.

836
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no exactly. And so and he's he refuses to

837
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: rob women and show.

838
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: Yes, love this outlawful caro.

839
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: But you know, here's the thing.

840
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 5: So not even his former partner in crime with whom

841
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: he'd had a falling out, would bad mouth him. Here's

842
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: what Devaal said quote there never lived a better hearted

843
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 5: man than Canada Bill. Many a time I've seen him

844
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 5: walk up to a sister of charity and present her

845
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: with as much as fifty dollars. Once I saw him

846
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 5: win two hundred dollars from a man on a boat,

847
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: and shortly after the little boy came running through the

848
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: cabin and Bill gave the boy two hundred dollars, telling

849
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 5: him to take it to his mother. He had no

850
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: heart for suckers, however, and he often said gullible people

851
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 5: had no business with money.

852
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm with him on that.

853
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: So by eighteen seventy four he was in Chicago. As

854
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 5: we saw on the train, he teamed up with Jimmy

855
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: Porter and Colonel Charlie Starr.

856
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: Colonel Charlie Star and.

857
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 5: Who those guys were is lost to history, but their

858
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: names pop up with Bill and news reports. But I

859
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: guess they didn't build the reputation and legacy that build it.

860
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 5: So the guys they ran their train and boat cons

861
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: but they were also opening gambling houses in Chicago. What

862
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: a time in that city right now. So okay, So

863
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 5: here's a good final anecdote about him. One day Bill

864
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: was operating on the train. He's waiting for a mark

865
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 5: and he's strolling down the aisle when he happens upon

866
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: this young man sitting alone, and Bill could tell he's green.

867
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: He's a greenhorn.

868
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: So he slaps the kid on his shoulder, asks his name,

869
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: how you doing, son, what's your name? And the young

870
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: guy he's just like stoked to have someone talk to him,

871
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 5: and so he invites Bill to sit down, tells him

872
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 5: his name and he's you know, says I'm I'm the

873
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: nephew of Alexander Ramsey, Sheriff of Ellis County and now sheriff.

874
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 5: Ramsey was one of Bill's nemeses. Yeah, it was very

875
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: cat and mouse with those and so Bill he saw like,

876
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: this is my chance to get even with Ramsey. So

877
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 5: he sits down and like in a few minutes, he's

878
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 5: got all the young guys money, like and his watch

879
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: like every bill on him and the jewel. Oh yes,

880
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 5: after he had fleeced him. Bill turns to the boy

881
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: and he says, quote, you go home now and tell

882
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 5: Ramsey that Canada Bill got all your money. Don't forget now,

883
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 5: tell him that Canada Bill got your money for old

884
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 5: acquaintance sake.

885
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: Tell him you.

886
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 5: Had to go without your supper because I had your money.

887
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: And then I haven't forgotten the time he put me

888
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: off that Union Pacific train and made me walk.

889
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: It was like a crentin Tarantino. See can't tell him

890
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: Canada Bill was the one.

891
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: You said to go without dinner.

892
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: Take this car and I'm gonna ride on a Canada

893
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: Bill hand this to Ramsey.

894
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: The boy gets to his destination, his uncle's like picking

895
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 5: him up at the depot.

896
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: Tells his uncle what happened. The sheriff uncle like he Ramsey.

897
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: Order, yeah, So he and his buddy like top on

898
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 5: horses and they chase the train to the next station

899
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 5: and there they boord the train. They find Canada Bill

900
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 5: and Bill he's like in the smoking ca again. He's

901
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: like just you know, flouncing around. Ramsey comes in. Ramsey

902
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 5: he like pulled his hat over his eyes and he

903
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 5: went to the seat where Canada Bill had been playing,

904
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 5: and like started he bet on the game that had

905
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 5: just started, so like of course he lost, but he

906
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: didn't say anything until about one thousand dollars was put up.

907
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 5: And that's when Sheriff Ramsey pulls out two six shooters,

908
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: pulls him on Bill and said, quote, turn down that card,

909
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: you know me hand that money over damn quick and Bill.

910
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: Bill's not scared Bill is just like so cool, and

911
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 5: Conice hands over the cash and says, quote, of course

912
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: the money's yours. You want it, you hold the winning

913
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: cards in your hand, Fine take it.

914
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: I like that. The man of law and order now

915
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: is the criminal in the start. He's the one robbing Bill.

916
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 5: So the law man who'd heard about it later told

917
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: a reporter that the sheriff's play just like broke Bill,

918
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: but quote, he knew it wasn't worth fooling with Ramsey.

919
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: Bill was good.

920
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: Hearted, but he liked to snake in the Greenies. And

921
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure what he means, like I like

922
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: to snake in the Greenies, like snake in the grass, right.

923
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: That's what I'm assuming. Yeah, and they getting by.

924
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 5: You don't want to all someone a snake in the grass.

925
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 5: Now I'm going to go snake in the greenies.

926
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: But I love it.

927
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: You want to like slide by. You don't want to

928
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: get good? Yeah, you don't want to get the hollies.

929
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: Take your head off doing it for me. So in

930
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy seven, Bill fell ill with consumption, totally broke.

931
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: He was absolutely destitute.

932
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: Well once he can't operate, well, you know, because it

933
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 3: turns out not banking. You know, he's not a guy

934
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: that's saving for his retirement.

935
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 5: But even more so, he was a card sharp, but

936
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: he was a rube when it came to farrow.

937
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: He Oh my god, I really love.

938
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: To play farrow. He could not stop.

939
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: That game really fell off. I still have poker, we

940
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: can still find money. But Pharaoh, it just fell off.

941
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 5: Everything he made with the cards he turned around and lost.

942
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

943
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 5: So? On October twenty second, eighteen seventy seven, he.

944
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: Died at the age of around forty Yeah.

945
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: Who is thought early sixties?

946
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 6: No?

947
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 5: So in his funeral was something so the Chicago Inter

948
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 5: Ocean newspaper, they said of the event, quote, his funeral

949
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: was probably the strangest ever seen in the Charles Evans Cemetery,

950
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: for there were neither tears, nor women nor minister about

951
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: the grave that now holds the remains of a man

952
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: who died penniless in a strange land, but had the

953
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 5: name one time of having won nearly half a million

954
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 5: dollars at three card montellion dollars and then turn around

955
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 5: and blew it all.

956
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: But you know he also he spread the money around.

957
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: He took care of people really paid.

958
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: Yet he's got payroll for people.

959
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 5: Right, So a bunch of fellow crooked gamblers paid for

960
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 5: his funeral, yes, And they gathered at the cemetery to quote,

961
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 5: do the last honors for the old sport who'd won

962
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: money on nearly every railroad in the United States east

963
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: of the Rocky Mountains. So the hearse rolls up the

964
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: carriage and the undertaker and his staff go to like

965
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: pull the walnut coffin from the carriage, and then one

966
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: of the con men asks if Bill's remains are actually

967
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 5: in there, and the Undertaker's like, yeah, they are, but

968
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 5: like the group's not happy with that, and they're like,

969
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: unscrew that lid right now. We want to make sure.

970
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 5: And the main guy, who was like kind of the

971
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 5: ringleader of all these cons said, quote Bill was in

972
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 5: many a tight box and worked himself out somehow or another,

973
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: and it's no dead sure thing that he ain't got

974
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: out of the trip to the cemetery.

975
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: Yes, so there's just like and this.

976
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 5: So like the undertaker he starts unscrewing the lid, and

977
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 5: one of the mourners pointed out that the screws weren't

978
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 5: solid silver like they'd paid for. Oh and then another

979
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 5: said quote, Well, Bill's game wasn't one of the squarest,

980
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 5: but I guess there are tricks in all trades, as

981
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 5: well as the Monty players.

982
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: So they're just like respect, fair play.

983
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 3: Everybody.

984
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: Everyone cracks up, like they all thought that was hilarious.

985
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 5: So Bill's body was in fact in the coffin and

986
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 5: they're like, okay, wow, he's dead. And the guy who

987
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 5: was supposed to read like a short prayer never showed up,

988
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 5: so they screwed the lid back on the coffin, lowered

989
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 5: him into the ground, and there was That's the end

990
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: of Canada.

991
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 2: Bill.

992
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: There was no one to say words over him, No.

993
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: Because the guy who's going to read a prayer and

994
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 5: say something didn't show up, So no one.

995
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: Else that was not their jobs, Darin, I get it.

996
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: So Bill, he was known for two famous quotes. They

997
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: may or may not have been things that he actually said,

998
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: but they're attributed to him in films like Rounders or Yeah,

999
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 5: or in American Gods by that super creep Neil Gamon. Okay,

1000
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 5: so the first is quote, it's immoral to let us

1001
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 5: sucker keep his money.

1002
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it is kind of like the street wisdom.

1003
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: Yes exactly, We've heard similar sentiment from other con artists.

1004
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 5: And then there's quote, I know it's crooked, but it's

1005
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: the only game in town, which is so often this story,

1006
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 5: so often the story. So, Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1007
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just loved this ride. And I'd

1008
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: like that his earnestness ironically allowed him to do crime

1009
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 3: without having like you didn't mention him getting beaten really badly,

1010
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: nobody like taking potshots at him, no angry people. Also,

1011
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: he was just a great guy in terms of like

1012
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: how he separated a wife and the children from like

1013
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: the sucker husband and realized that, you know, suckers are

1014
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: one thing, families or another thing. So he has a

1015
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: very simple view of the world. And I think it's

1016
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: a little bit ridiculous that he's out of all the

1017
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: people you're mentioning, you know, Allan Pinkerton, the Ramsey, the sheriff,

1018
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 3: he's the most moral person that you mentioned. Yeah, yeah's

1019
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: you're a ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth.

1020
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 5: I was really struck by him not having the built

1021
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 5: in shame, yes, and that it actually allowed him to.

1022
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Be more moral.

1023
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: I think because he wasn't trying to cover up any

1024
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: of his behaviors, and he just was exactly what he

1025
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 5: was and unapologetic in it.

1026
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: But that allowed him to kind of let things come

1027
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: and go.

1028
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: I found have you found that have you've known Rama?

1029
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: I found that often to be the case with the

1030
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 3: roma I've known, is that because there's like not those pretensions,

1031
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: they're allowed to just be a person. You know, they

1032
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: don't have all these well I gotta shave face and

1033
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: act like I'm this and I go to church on

1034
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 3: Sunday to forget what I did on Saturday.

1035
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: They just are understanding that things come and go.

1036
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, That's what I mean. It's just part that's

1037
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: like how nature is. So you're much more in tune

1038
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: with the rhythms of nature than the pretensions of man.

1039
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I just that's one of the fascinating

1040
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: things about him was that that element of it.

1041
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: What I would love to cap this all off with

1042
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: is a talk back.

1043
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: I can't help you, producer, d can you? I got you?

1044
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I like.

1045
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 6: His eyes. My name is Morgan. I'm a new listener

1046
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: to the podcast and I love it. It's so funny,

1047
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 6: but the other day, I was listening and Zara said

1048
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 6: he had a cuddle site with the interns, and I

1049
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 6: had no idea who the interns were, so I seemed

1050
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 6: a little inappropriate, but Elizabeth them clarified that they are

1051
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 6: four legged interns, not too so thank you for clarifying

1052
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 6: that you have mutant four legged human interns. Thanks guys,

1053
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 6: sorry for that.

1054
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Workplace.

1055
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's not that kind.

1056
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: And they're also they're not mutants.

1057
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: And they started the cuddle fight. I just responded, and

1058
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: they are dogs. They are.

1059
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: That's the funniest thing ever. I love Thank you for that.

1060
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: That's it for today. With the notion of you just

1061
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: like aggressively cuddling like college students.

1062
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: You take this pillow, hit me with it, I'll hit

1063
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 3: you back, don't give me a hug.

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Speaker 2: All the iHeart lawyers line. That's it for today. You

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00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: can find us online at ridiculous crime dot com.

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Speaker 5: Did you know the website got a speeding ticket over

1067
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Speaker 5: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry about the house. I should have told you.

1069
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 5: The website lost its license and now it rides a

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Speaker 5: bike everywhere.

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Speaker 3: That explains why it was locked up next to mine.

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00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: We're also Ridiculous Crime on Blue Sky and Instagram. We're

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Speaker 5: on YouTube at Ridiculous Crime Pod. You can email us

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00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 5: at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

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